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Peter Zeihan predicts that the next decade will be defined by a dual reality in global energy: significant geopolitical disappointment followed by technological breakthroughs. He warns of an imminent break in international energy markets, likely triggered first by events involving Russia, the Persian Gulf, Malacca Strait disruptions, or issues within China's production capabilities. This initial shock would cause both crude oil supply and consumption to plummet due to demographic shifts and geopolitical instability, forcing nations into a fierce competition for remaining fossil fuel resources. Zeihan emphasizes that whoever secures access to these dwindling fuels first will leave the others behind in an increasingly chaotic petroleum age. However, this crisis is expected to catalyze rapid advancements in physical chemistry regarding energy generation, transmission, or storage within the next ten years. These innovations could spark a new global arms race where nations compete fiercely for specific materials and technologies that render old problems obsolete. Zeihan illustrates how such technological shifts will fundamentally alter geopolitical obsessions; just as America once focused on Bolivia for different resources, future breakthroughs might make countries like Bolivia critical again due to unique lithium or other mineral deposits required for next-generation batteries, capacitors, or power beaming systems. The transition away from the current fossil fuel model is inevitable because a green age utilizing today's technology would likely perform worse than existing methods, driving humanity to invent superior solutions regardless of the risks involved. The discussion also highlights that possessing raw materials is insufficient without robust global supply chains capable of processing and transporting them effectively. Zeihan notes that critical ore currently originates from one location but must be processed in China before purification elsewhere; if this specific step cannot be replicated or relocated, technological progress stalls entirely. While the current sanctions against Russia have not yet caused an acute crisis for fertilizer supplies—where Russian exports remain vital for food production in Brazil and parts of Asia—the landscape is shifting as American natural gas-based nitrogen fertilizers and Canadian potash take up slack. Zeihan points out that complex manufacturing supply chains, particularly those involving aerospace, computing, electronics, and automotive industries like John Deere's agricultural equipment sector, are being reshorted by tariffs which push production steps overseas to avoid repeated border fees, leading to significant job losses in regions like the American Midwest. Furthermore, global shipping disruptions remain a critical vulnerability that major powers are actively managing to prevent. Zeihan observes that Asian nations recognize their dependence on stable trade routes for food security and have consequently taken measures to ensure cooperation rather than disruption; notably, China has reportedly leaned on Houthi rebels in Yemen and Iranian actors to de-escalate tensions in the Red Sea. This pragmatic approach underscores a broader realization among global stakeholders: maintaining open supply chains is essential for survival, especially as nations realize that breaking these links would be catastrophic for their own economies. The interplay between tariff policies, resource scarcity, and geopolitical maneuvering suggests that while immediate crises like fertilizer shortages are being mitigated by alternative suppliers, the long-term stability of global systems depends on navigating a complex web where every step in manufacturing and logistics carries immense strategic weight.
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What do you think the biggest surprise
in energy is going to be over the next
decade or two? It seems to me, at least
based on what you're saying, the
technology that is promised is not able
to deliver that which it is promising.
Uh so will the surprise be
disappointment or will the surprise be
an actual surprise?
>> It's going to be one of each. Uh let me
give you the bad and then the good. Uh
first first the bad. Uh we're we're very
close and we have been very close for 3
years to a significant break in
international energy markets. Whether
it's the Russian stuff going away or
something happening in the Persian Gulf
or something happening in Malaa or
something happening to China, the
production of vast volumes of crude is
going to fall away and the consumption
of vast volumes of crude is going to
fall away for demographic and
geopolitical reasons. And I can't tell
you which one's going to happen first. I
can tell you that whichever one does
happen first will then lead to the other
one and [ __ ] will get real in a lot of
places very very quickly. Uh and for
those of us who still want electricity
we will then basically have to fight to
get access to the fossil fuels that will
allow us to have it and that will look
different in every part of the world.
Second thing, at some point in the next
decade, our physical chemistry is going
to improve to the point that we have a
new idea that we will then want to apply
whether it's in generation,
transmission, or storage. I don't know,
one of the three, maybe more than one
that will generate a completely new
arms race in order to access that
technology and apply it. And whoever can
figure that out leaves the old problems
behind. I mean, the petroleum age was a
was a mess. I understand why people
would like to go beyond it. The green
age, if it happens with today's
technologies, would be worse.
But that's not going to stop us from
trying to invent something new. And as
soon as we do, maybe it's a capacitor,
maybe it's a battery, maybe it's power
beaming, I don't know.
>> We start with a completely new set of
goals, needing a completely different
set of materials and different
concentrations, and that changes the
geography of what we are concerned
about.
So, we might 10 years from now be more
obsessed with Bolivia than we right now
are with [laughter] Saudi Arabia and
Iraq.
All depends upon where the technology
goes.
>> Well, it's interesting. America was
obsessed with Bolivia for a little
while, but for a different type of
substance that they were exporting.
>> Yeah,
>> those days. We're good.
>> Bring back those days. [laughter] Um,
>> cocaine. Sorry, I just had to say that.
>> That's okay. That's a statement that
needs to be made. Unless it can power an
electric vehicle, in which case, has
anyone tried that? Who knows? Um,
[laughter]
>> I'm sure somebody in New York has.
>> Yeah. Um, global. So, this increasing
reliance globally because if you're
going to increase capacity, it means
that you need to uh coordinate more and
you need to be more reli I didn't I
totally didn't realize the fact that
just because you have the raw material
doesn't mean that you can process it
where it is. It can be sent away and
then come back. So global supply chains
are more important than ever. Been a few
years since we spoke. What's happening
with the state of global supply chains?
I've heard you say that they don't
survive without a global security
guarantor and that that era is over.
>> Yeah. Right now the ore comes from one
place. It's primarily processed in
China. It's sent to a third loca
location to be purified to a degree that
you can then actually use it and then it
gets turned into an intermediate
product. Uh so step one no matter who
you are, no matter where you are, uh
that second that first processing step
that's done in China, that has to be
done somewhere else. Uh
if we don't get that right, we don't get
to try it anything else.
>> What about the rest of the global supply
chain? Uh global food systems, other
stuff like that. What what else has
changed?
>> Uh I've been pleasantly surprised about
global f fuel food systems. Um the
sanctions against the Russians have not
yet uh impacted the fertilizer supply
system. And fertilizer as a category,
there's like 11 different kinds, but
fertilizer as a mass category, Russians
are still the world's largest exporter.
Without that, there is no food
production in Brazil at all. And it
looks pretty dicey in the Middle East,
North Africa, and especially um the
South Asian zone. We haven't had that
problem. Uh, in the meantime, the
Americans continue to spin up more and
more nitrogen fertilizer because that's
primarily made from natural gas. And the
Canadians continue to spin up more and
more potachsh fertilizer because they've
got that in Saskatchewan. So, we're
seeing other suppliers come into the
system. Uh, they realize that it's a
race. Uh, and so far that's working out.
Um long-term still a real problem, but
we're not facing the acute crunch that
we were. Uh Trump's tariffs are pushing
manufactured goods for agriculture the
other direction. Um basically
oversimplifying here, but the more
complicated the uh the more complicated
the manufacturing supply chain happens
to be, the more steps there are, the
more players. If you have a high tariff
system, it pushes your steps out into
somewhere else because otherwise you're
paying the tariff every time something
crosses your border. Yep.
>> And so it's easier to take the handful
of the steps that you do and do them
somewhere else and just pay the tariff
once when the thing comes in finished.
>> For simple manufactured products that
only have a half dozen steps or so, that
tends to come to you because that's
easier to collate. So when it comes to
things like plastics and textiles and
furniture, Trump's tariffs have
reshorted manufacturing. But [snorts]
when it comes to aerospace and computing
and electronics and automotive, it's
pushing stuff away.
And agricultural equipment is definitely
in that sec second category. So we're
seeing John Deere, for example, has
already cut more jobs in the last 10
months than it did in the previous 20
years.
>> Wow. I did not know that.
>> Yeah, it's it's getting pretty bad in
the Midwest right now.
>> Shipping disruptions. How big of a deal
is that?
>> Yeah, right now the Asians realize that
this is where their bread is sputtered
and they're going out of their way to
get along. Uh the Chinese have not
interrupted any uh shipping. In fact,
they've even leaned on the Houthies and
the Iranians uh to stop [ __ ] around
in the Red Sea because they realize
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