SVA Symposium and Summit Presentation Drop In Support Session 2025

As I said, Belinda is going to be recording this. So, welcome. This is the 2025 student voice symposium and student voice summit session around preparing and submitting an abstract. So, I'm Carrie. I'm a career development consultant at Griffith University and uh it's fantastic to be part of this session today. Hoping we'll all get a lot out of it. So as I begin I'd like to acknowledge the turbul and yagura peoples at the traditional custodian of the land. We pay respect to the elders past parts and present and extend that respect to all aiginal and toouristr islander peoples. So here's a little bit about the uh the student voice symposium and summit that is coming up. It's going to be run um towards the end of October, 23rd, 24th of October. It will be at Griffith University Gold Coast and they'll also be um online too, which is it's fantastic. If you're you're not able to um to make it all the way over to the to the east coast. Uh so the symposium and summits are really friendly, supportive group of people who are really passionate about student voice in higher education. So we really want to hear from you. Whether you're a first timer, whether you're new to presenting at conferences or you're an experienced practitioner, this is a fantastic opportunity. All your voices are valued. Uh the purpose of the session today is to take you through the requirements of preparing and submitting an abstract uh to present at this event and also to hopefully boost your confidence um and encourage you to give it a go if you you tend if you are new to this conference in particular or to presenting at conference in general. It's probably no more a supportive environment than this one. Um it's really good um to think about this as an opportunity to hone your presentation skills, share your ideas, your practice, your learnings. Um and also to hear from other people who are just as passionate as you about uh student voice in the higher education space. Okay. Okay. So, we've only got a couple of people in the room, but I want to get a bit of an indication from you. Um maybe just just speak up and let me know, Donna and Novi, um what your conference experiences. So, which of these would probably represent your your current experience? I'll start with you, Donna. Which one do you think represents your current feelings about about conference? Um I've I sorry I haven't done conference before especially with the disability uh related so I really have no idea at the moment. Yeah. And have you um have you had some ideas about what you might like to present at the conference this year or are you still sort of thinking through what your options are? Yeah. Um no V and I we are developing a pilot project to the Moroc University. It's um it's called um disability support body to help student with disabilities um achieved in their um studies not just academically but also socially. So it's um we are creating a peer support program for the university. Sounds fantastic. And what a great topic for this conference. Yeah, it's um it's actually Novi's idea. Ah based on based on her experience and you would be co-presenting. Is that what you are hoping to do? Yeah. No BNI. That's brilliant. So keep in mind that for this particular conference co-presenting is really highly encouraged. So whether you present with a peer or whether you present with a staff member, a colleague, it is often it's so much easier to have someone up there with you um giving your your presentation. It gives you that confidence having that buddy with you. Um and the audience actually really enjoys hearing the diversity of experience amongst amongst presenters. Now, Novi, I don't know whether you're able to speak at all. Does your mic work? Okay. Yeah. Hi, good to good to hear you. Yeah. Are you are you at about the same uh level as as Donna or do you have a little more experience or whereabouts do you sit when it comes to thinking about your conference experience? Um I previously had uh an experience attending conference but it's to present my research not a project. So like I don't have uh really um comprehensive idea on what to include in the abstract in the overview as requested in the application form. So that's why I decided to book and attend this session. Yeah. Well, it sounds to me like you've got yourselves a quite a wellformed um theme. You you you have an idea about what you would like to do, which honestly is the first hurdle. Um the next hurdle is presenting that in the format that um the conference organizers require and that's what we'll do. We'll take you through preparing and submitting the abstract today. So, it's fantastic. Thank you for uh for sharing where you're at. So just a little bit on why you would consider um presenting. So there's some fantastic reasons why you might want to step up and give this a go. So showcasing your ideas, you can make some real impact. You can share your perspective on education. You can show how student voices can actually drive change. Um you'll be influencing educators, policy makers, peers. It's a fantastic opportunity. It's also a fantastic opportunity to learn through experience. So this is what we call real world learning, right? So you'll be contributing to streams like structures that listen, where you're designing systems where student voice really drives that meaningful change. Um it's also thinking about innovative ways that institutions can listen to, hear and act on student feedback. Another one of the uh the streams is learning together. So learning together is all about helping design inclusive and engaging education. This is where students can help shape what they learn, how they learn, um, and why they learn. Belonging and culture can lead to some fantastic conversations around diversity, well-being, and belonging in the education of leadership and action. So this is a fantastic way for you to share your journey and inspire others to step up and create change. Um, it's a great way to build uh your confidence, your communication skills, your leadership skills, and these skills are actually highly valued in any career that you're looking at getting into. And a great opportunity to connect with potential future employers and mentors. So, you are going to meet professionals, educators, and other student leaders from all across Australasia. This is fantastic for your networking, for references, and for future job opportunities. You never know, you might actually be working with these people one day. Firstly, being that voice for change in education is really important. Um, so you'll be really helping shift that role of students from participants to co-creators. You'll be doing that by sharing your practice and your ideas. This is something that really does resonate with um with employers nowadays. They really value initiative and innovation. It also helps you to boost your resume and stand out from the crowd. So employers really value that demonstration of presentation skills also engaging in activities that demonstrate your ability to communicate with a diverse range of people in that professional context. That's really highly valued. Um so from a career development um consultant or career practitioner perspective um this is such an amazing opportunity uh for you. uh make sure that uh you put your attendance your your name of your paper everything on your on your region p it'll be highly impressive to employers. So I just want to share some important dates and information links etc. Um please keep in mind your applications are due by July the 18th. Um you will need to make your application via the online application form. Your abstract length will vary be between 100 and 250 words maximum depending on the presentation type you nominate and I'll take you through a couple of those in a little bit. You must also register to attend the conference um to be included in the program. Now if you have any questions Belinda is the SPA coordinator and here is an email address for Belinda. Um so any questions after the session today or as you're developing your ideas and thinking about um submitting your abstract please uh make sure you contact Linda directly. Um keep in mind registration will open in August. Member institutions will have access to a number of complimentary inerson tickets. These are the mix of students staff tickets. Um there will be additional tickets that will be available at a discounted price and non-members can purchase tickets by the registration. Blinda can let you know about how all of these tickets and registration will work. Um and also the fact that there will be student travel grants available. So if you have any questions about any of that, please contact Linda directly. So what I want to do is just take you through the themes for this year's conference. So there are four themes. Your abstract, it will actually need to demonstrate alignment with at least one theme. You can align to two, that's great. Three, that's fantastic. You will need to nominate the theme in the application for the submission. So if you're struggling to to really think about what theme is going to be the best fit for you uh for your topic, please u please have a conversation with Valenta. So I'll just go through this briefly. Obviously, you can read the themes and the information that's available um on the SPA website, which we'll have a look at a minute. Um but if you're looking at that first theme around student voice and university governance, your presentations might be around policies that formalize student input, digital tools and amplify student voice or innovative governance practices. If you're looking at um the co-creating curriculum and pedagogy um as your theme, you might be looking at student staff code sign in curriculum feedback loops in teaching inclusive pedagogy or examples of reciprocal learning cultures. If you're looking at building inclusive communities, it might be around initiatives that are really build connection and well-being practices that support diverse and marginalized voices. Um, I'm just thinking through yours, Donna and Novi, the the topic that you have suggested. There's probably a couple here that might fit. Um, and the last one is around building confidence and capability. So, that's around leadership development, peer-to-peer training, recognition and reward, etc. So, when you look at those, Sonor and Novia, is there any any theme in particular that you think fits um fits quite well? Where would you head to? culture and belonging is the first one that aligns really well. Yeah, I think so too. And then maybe structures that listen because we will propose a business case after conducting the pilot. Yeah. Fantastic. Business case will be proposed to the university perhaps. Thank you. Yeah, sounds fantastic. I think you're you're thinking exactly along the right along the right lines there. Sounds good. So, there's a number of different abstract submission types. Um, they've changed a little bit this year. I'm not sure if you've attended previously and are used to things and things, but this is how it's organized. Um now um if you are just starting out and you've got limited time to prepare a presentation or you're looking for something that's a bit of an alternative to a traditional presentation, you might like to consider a lightning talk or a visual poster presentation. Um if you are looking to share your research and evidence-based insights in a longer format, this is our more traditional format. This is where the insight session comes in. If you're looking for those more practical peer-driven strategies and you want an opportunity to do some code design, uh the solutions lab is probably the one you're looking at. And then if you've got a bit of an out of the box idea which doesn't really fit any of these um categories, please put it in the design your own um category and um we'd love to see what innovative and amazing uh things you come up with. So what I am going to do, I'm just going to stop sharing for a minute. And I'm going to bring up the uh page, the student voice Australia page. I want to share that with you just for a moment. It's going to take us through a bit more detail around um the types um of ways that are that are here. I'm just going to take you through these um presentation types and then we'll have a chat about which ones you're thinking might might suit you. So if you have a look here, your inside session, it's a 30 minute presentation which includes 10 minutes. So it's really 20 + 10. So think of it, think of it that way or 15 to 20 + 10. You're going to leave lots of time for Q&A for this one. tells you exactly what you need to prepare. Um, your presentation abstract will be up to 250 words and there are abstract formatting guidelines here and you're actually taken through those very carefully step by step in the application form. So, it's quite self-explanatory. Also tells you what the review criteria is and this review criteria is standard across all um of the presentation types. So just keep in mind you obviously need to nominate a theme or two or three whatever you want to do um that you think is most relevant um to one of the conferences dub theme. They're looking for cl by they I mean the working group which is a mix of students and staff across Australasia who are on the working group for this conference. They're looking for clarity of description of the initiative, the research, the practice, the overall significance and impact. So can you show uh your impact? Can you show what outcomes uh you've had the quality of the writing and then obviously adhering to the formatting guidelines. So that one was for an inside session. The lightning talks which are the shorter alternative um are 10 + 10. So there's no slides. um you it's a really quick way to share some of the real world uh practices and experiences that you've had. It's really narrative driven. Um it's supposed to be short, sharp, quick. Again, you can see here what to prepare. The presentation abstract is only 100 words for this one. The guidelines are here. There's no references expected for this one. No tables, no images. And again the review criteria are here. So just keep in mind that with the insight uh session your references must be included. They are not included in the word count but you must follow the APA 7th edition style. Okay? And those will go direct directly into the text box that's on the submission. This is your visual poster presentation. So this is um your opportunity to present your poster literally a poster which will be up during um a 45minut session of networking time where you will be um you will be located with your poster and as people are walking around the room you'll have the opportunity to speak um about your topic. It tells you what to prepare. Again, no references needed for this one. Same review criteria, etc. So again, if you're looking for something that's a bit of an alternative to your standard longer conference presentation, probably your lightning talks and your visual poster presentation are the way to go. Otherwise, your insert insight session is your more traditional um conference style presentation. Then we go into other ones like the solutions lab which is that coded sign opportunity. That's that 60inut highly interactive um opportunity that you have if you need to uh code it sign the people in the room. And uh this one references are not essential for this presentation type. Then there's a design your own which we mentioned um if you've got a really creative presentation format which doesn't seem to fit the others um submit it under design your own. Okay. And the application form is in here. So I'm just going to pop that link into our chat just so you've got that one. So having a look at those Donna and Noi. Which one do you think there's one in particular that you're interested in? you think would fit what you're thinking of doing? Um, I think we were looking at the lightning or the insight session. Gary, so your lightning talk is that very quick 10-minute presentation with the 10-minute um discussion, those slides. Um, and then your insight session is that 30 minute research and reflection, sharing those evidence-based insights. It gives you just that little bit more time to expand on the impacts and outcomes from your work and also includes again a 10-minute Q&A. So, be interesting to see where you end up going. Um, and if you need to talk that through, obviously have a chat to she'll be able to help you out with um deciding on that one. Um, you've got 250 words for your abstract for your insight session and you've got 100 words for your lightning session being a shorter format. Yeah. Okay. Very good. So, I'm going to stop sharing that one and we'll go back to the presentation. All right. So, lots of opportunities there, lots of different abstract submission types um that you can you can choose from. So we talked briefly about how abstracts are assessed. Um just keep in mind the the symposium summit working group the conference working group are responsible for assessing um all the abstracts submitted and these are the criteria that they'll be they'll be using. I'm going to show you some examples um to make sure that you feel you can actually you know meet the meet the criteria there. But I guess the first tip that I have for you is to think about who your audience is. So who's your audience? You really need to think about writing with them in mind. Now um the the summit is on day one and this is a student um only event. Um this is the one where you'll have student leaders, representatives, executives from student led organizations who are advocating on behalf of students um in in attendance. Your day two will be the symposium and this is where you get a real mix of people away from your students to your practitioners, your academics, your researchers, student leaders, all kinds of of people. Um, sometimes it's a bit hard to choose uh what day you want to present on. So, you can actually leave that up to the the working group. I think you can nominate that in your forum if you're not too not too sure. I think you can nominate either. Um, but really do think about who you're writing for. So I'll give you an example. So practitioners may be educators, they may be student support staff, they might be other professionals within the tertiary education sector, might be people from the sector or people who are implementing student partnership initiatives, programs and practices. Students could be um student leaders, representatives, executives from student le organizations um and could be students who are simply interested in uh in student voice. Your academics and researchers, they really contribute that valuable knowledge and expertise to discussions around student partnership as well. They can influence the design of inclusive teaching methods and research on effective student engagement strategies. um and your leaders. So your leaders could be student leaders, they could be academic leaders, they could be professional staff leaders, they might be policy makers, they might be administrators. So really think about your audience cuz it's quite broad. So, if you're thinking about um submitting for the lightning talk, I'm basically going to give you the breakdown of two different types of uh presentation types, the lightning talk and the insight session. Um I'd just like to acknowledge um that an a conference team actually for the structure that I'm going to take you through particularly Megan Posy from UNISQ. um she ran an abstract submissions session quite similar to this for their upcoming conference. I've taken uh quite a few tips from that as they were so helpful to me when I was considering um how I was going to prepare my abstract. Um so hopefully you'll find this useful too. So this example that I've used here, this is not a real life example. This is just uh something that's been made up. Um it's really been created to demonstrate all the elements of a lightning talk. Um, note there's no tables, images, or references that are required for this presentation type. The colors indicate the important sections um of your abstract. So, I'll just go through those briefly. So, the section in blue, note that this uh introductory session, this opening, it presents the problem or the context. This is where you immediately establish what that real world problem is um that audiences might relate to. In the orange section, this is about what action you took, what innovation, what did you do? It clearly describes the approach that you took. The purple section is around the results or the impact. So, what happened? Can you quantify it? What's your concrete outcomes? And the blue section is around the broader significance to the sector. Um, think about linking this back to the conference theme and sub themes what broader implications this might have uh for for the sector. I've also uh provided because you also need to provide a presentation summary of two to three sentences um for a lightning talk. So this is an example of a presentation summary. Do all those sections make sense to you Donna and Novi? Anything surprising for you in there? Uh excuse me. Can I have access to the text uh of the samples because I'm blind so I cannot access the visual information here? Oh yeah, of course. Um, Belinda, you've got a copy of um the Ah, okay. Novi, we're going to have to think about how we get you get you access. Let's chat about that. Belinda, would you mind chatting to Novi? Yeah. Um, about that maybe after the session. Is that okay? Yeah, absolutely. And we'll because it's recorded, if you need to go back and have a look at the text in more details, that's an option. Um, otherwise you might be able to email the slides around or a snapshot of some of the content as well. So yeah, I think I think you said you're blind. You vision impaired. Yeah, I'm totally blind so I cannot access. Oh, sorry. I misheard that. Um, okay. Yep, absolutely. Um we we'll have a chat to you about what the most appropriate way to get this these resources are to you but I will give you an example. Thank you for letting me know. So I'll take you through that. Um so I will I'll obviously I'll present it to you and then you can talk to Belinda about getting a copy of the notes and how that works best for you. Okay. Um, so the opening of the problem or context is around. So the example that I've given, keep in mind it's only 100 words. So this is my challenge to you. Trying to get everything you want to say within a 100 words for an abstract for a lightning talk can be quite tricky. Um, so I've given an example of an opening. Um so that is traditional student feedback surveys at our university generated low response rates and limited actionable change creating fatigue uh feedback fatigue among students who felt unheard. So that's the opening that's setting the scene. The next section is around what you did. So the example I've given is through a grassroots initiative, we replace semester end surveys with ongoing co-creation workshops where students and academics staff collaboratively read at sign curriculum elements in real time. Then the next section we focus on is the results the impact what your quantifiable outcomes are. And the example I've given is this shift from p passive feedback collection to active partnership has increased student engagement by 300% and resulted in tangible curriculum improvements across five faculties. Then the last section is around broader significance. It's around connecting to the conference theme and the broader implications for your discipline your sector. And the example I've given is our experience demonstrates how moving beyond the speed requires fundamentally reimagining feedback mechanisms to create genuine shared power in educational decision making. So that's the example that I've given you and I've also um provided a presentation summary of two to three sentences and the summary is this presentation shares the real world journey of transforming a broken student feedback system into a thriving cocreation model that gives students genuine decision-making power in curriculum design including the practical steps taken and an unexpected lessons learned along the way. Attendees will discover actionable strategies for implementing similar partnership approaches in their own institutions, turning student feedback fatigue into authentic educational collaboration. So that was the presentation summary of two to three sentences around that abstract. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. Really appreciate it. That's okay. No problem. So the next example that I'm going to give you is around that longer format which is the insight session. So this is your your longer 30 minute um format. And I've broken this down again. This is an example. It's not real life. You can get some examples from the SBA um web page which I've given you the link to. you need to look at the previous um symposium and it will give you lots of lots of different examples there. So this example has been created to demonstrate the elements of the insight session. Um I've divided it into the key components that you would consider. It has four parts. I'm going to start from um number one. So you'll need to establish the context relevant to your presentation. The example I've given is student voice initiatives in Australian higher education often struggle to move beyond consultation toward genuine shared power with many programs inadvertently reinforcing tokenistic practices rather than fostering authentic partnerships. And Matthews 2017 is cited. The second section describe how the problem, the opportunity or the project emerged from the context and what you did. The example text I've provided is this longitudinal mixed method study investigated how formal student leadership development programs influenced both individual student capacity and institutional readiness for meaningful change across eight universities from 2021 to 2024. Using a transformative mixed methods approach, Cook SAT at all 2014 is cited. We collected survey data from 312 student leaders and 89 staff members, conducted 45 in-depth interviews, and analyzed institutional policy documents and meeting records. Participants were tracked across three academic years to examine developmental trajectories and institutional responses to studentled initiatives. Section three, this is where you've got to outline the learnings, your findings, and the outcome from whatever your research or your project was. And the example text is as follows. findings reveal three distinct institutional archetypes. Performative adopters maintaining traditional hierarchies while appearing inclusive. Genuine experimenters actively testing new partnership models and systemic transformers embedding student voice into governance structures. Student leaders in systemic transformer institutions demonstrated significantly higher levels of agency, policy literacy, and change making confidence compared to peers in other contexts. And then the last section, um section four, you'll need to outline what can we take from this? What can we learn? The the um the listener wants to know, the audience wants to know what's in it for me. And the example text I've provided is, "These findings challenge universities to examine whether their student voice initiatives genuinely distribute power or merely create an illusion of participation, offering evidence-based recommendations for designing programs that foster authentic partnership and sustainable institutional change. So that's for your insight session. It's that slightly longer session and as I um mentioned to you there are some examples on the SBA web page um as I said I've provided um that link and these are actually really useful for seeing what's been success have a look what's been successful in the past um what do their abstracts look like um you can learn from what um you know others have done um previously. So it's a good opportunity have a look at at that resource. So we are at the end of our um session now is a time for your questions. Anything that you want to ask um and it can be honestly anything. So please just go ahead. Is there anything in particular that you want to know at this point? Um Carrie, you also offered online presentation, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um cuz at the moment our mentors were thinking of like um we're doing the online but um we're thinking of there's a possibility of we are going to Brisbane to present but um not yet in so at the moment we're doing we were planning to present it online. I'm sure that's fine. But Linda, do you how is the online or Sarah, how does the online sort of component work? Yeah, that's fine. So on the application form, you'll be able to indicate your preference if you want to come in person, if you want to present online or you can also select if you're unsure. So um we understand often if you are coming in person, you might have to go through an application for funding process. So you're not sure how that looks like. So you can just indicate that online um and that's not a problem. So yeah, we'll have um a mix of online and in person sessions and those sessions will be run on teams. So we'll be able to brief presenters in terms of what that looks like as we develop the program. Belinda, will the presenter be presenting to um the room full of um attendees uh on the go coast as well as online? So, a hybrid hybrid presentation. Is that how Yes. Yeah, that's our intention. Um and we're just going to establish the demand of how many presentation submissions that we get. Um our preference is for in-person presentations where possible. Um however yeah we acknowledge that that can be difficult with funding um approvals. So yeah would depend on the format that you choose and the demand that the working party gets for each session types. Um we may choose to have some online only sessions depending on our numbers as well. So you might be online and you might be presenting only to the online registrations um as opposed to dual mode but we'll be able to yeah tell you more details once we get all the applications in and establish as we develop the program um regarding the funding is it um offered by by the uh student voice cuz um Novi and I with our pilot project we we have a fun and which is only $550 at the moment. But yeah, our mentors are um gathering some funds as well, but not yet. We're just starting. So, yeah, for sure. So, yeah, we do have travel grants available for students from member institutions, um which I know Murdoch is. Um at the moment, it's just one travel grant per institution. Um, and the amounts are still being finalized, but based on last year's, um, it was around $300 to $400, um, to come over from WA because obviously that's the most expensive state, um, to travel from. And so we'll just be liazing with the um the main practitioners through the network in terms of how the institution decides to allocate those um student grants. Although yeah having an accepted presentation um at the conference I think would strengthen yeah the application towards those travel grants as well. Thank you so much. Dr. K. Um, no, do you have any questions? Uh, maybe for the online presentation, is there any specific types of presentation that we can choose or all types? Um, all types at this stage. Yes. Yeah. All types. Yeah. Including the poster. Can we use the poster presentation as well? That's a good question. Um, yes, I'm going to say yes. We haven't discussed it as a working group just yet, but it is because we'll have online participants. Um, so there will be a break component of the conference where you could speak to people and present a poster at that time. Yes. So I'm going to say yes that is also an option. Thank you so much. Um I have maybe two more questions uh regarding the ticket for presenting. If we present like our presentation is delivered by two people but in one group, do we need to purchase the ticket for one or two? Um, it would be for two people. Yes. Yeah. But also the ticket um you do get a number several free tickets as a member institution as well. Yes. Yeah. as well as the travel grants and yeah, the confirm cost of all that will be published on the website um before the applications close over the next few weeks. You maybe one more question for me regarding the abstract. If we are still um unsure, we'll choose um like maybe poster or lightning lightning talk. And I know that the length of the abstract is different. So if we choose these two in our application, so we need to provide two abstracts as well. Um, I had not considered that before. You could submit twice if you wanted. Um, but because the the length for both the poster and the lightning is quite similar. I think the one submission would be fine. But if you chose to do like a case study in a poster for example, then I would suggest submitting two because they're um they're quite different. So your insight session for example is 250 words for your abstract. It has a little bit of a different um it's a bit of a different structure to how you'd be presenting that um you know your your your project, your research, your findings. It'll be quite different. and it is quite structured. Um all the details are on that SBA um web page and in this presentation but um it's quite different from your poster presentation. So it would actually it would make sense to have two submissions. Yeah. Does that make sense no regarding the two presentation types? Yes. Thank you so much. Okay. And if you're really unsure and you do want to make a decision before you submit, um my suggestion is that you do contact uh Belinda. So you can contact um Belinda on sba@unisq.edu.auu. That's the best way to get in touch. and um just chat it through with Belinda and you'll um you'll soon sort it out. Might be easier for you. It's going to be less work than trying to put in a couple of submissions because you're not too sure. Um but yeah, do have a chat to Belinda. That's that's the best way to go. Yeah. And as a working group, we'll be reviewing all of our submissions and definitely our approach is to try to ensure we have as many opportunities for people to present at this conference. So we may even if we have any feedback we may get in touch with you and provide that feedback for consideration or we might come back to you and say hey we think this would fit really well in this category would you be flexible um so yeah it's we'll always get back to you if we have any questions as well and our goal is to yeah just make sure that as many people as possible have the opportunity to share their insights and their experiences as part of um as part of this conference. Thank you. Is there any other Yeah. final questions? It's so good to hear what you are thinking of doing Novi and Donna because you've already got a really wellthought out um a really good idea. I really hope you you know you make the decision to Sounds like you're going to apply. So I'm really keen to um to see what you decide to do. But would strongly encourage you to to get your application in. It sounds sounds fantastic. you're going to have a great audience for that topic too. Really good audience and lots of good discussion. That's the thing about these types of conferences is that you while you are obviously sharing your practice, that's why the Q&A time at the end is so important because you will hear from others what they are doing. You learn more at these conferences, I think, in Q&A and coffee and lunch um than than most most other things. So yeah, I really hope you get that opportunity to to attend and um tell us about the amazing work you've been doing. Thank you so much, Carrie. And we we are so blessed that we have really great mentors for this project. Yeah. And but uh our project is actually still ongoing. So maybe what we write in the abstract and what will we be presented maybe quite different because we are currently uh just finalized our research and uh planning for the pilot and then next semester from September to October we will do the pilot. So maybe when we do the presentation we will have more insights from the pilot. Yeah. And obviously make sure you note that in your your abstract that this is a pilot and when you'll be you know everything you just told us if you can note that because that's actually quite exciting that we're probably going to be the first um conference that's going to hear about some of your impacts and outcomes from from your project. So that's a real selling point. Yeah. Thank you. I think that might be it, Linda. Yeah. Thank you so much everyone for joining. Um, and I also just want to take this opportunity to say a massive thank you to Carrie who volunteered um, her time to run this session for the SBA network and thank you to Griffith for the ongoing support in hosting the symposium and the student summit. So really looking forward to hopefully seeing you both there either virtually um or in person as participants um andor presenters. So thank you for joining us today. Thank you so much. Thank you Carrie. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Bye.