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Dr. David Stein challenges the modern cultural obsession with speed, ease, and constant growth, arguing that a life of lasting impact is not built on these principles but rather on choosing the difficult path of obedience. He shares his personal testimony of surviving terminal leukemia at age fifteen after his grandfather interpreted a dream as a sign of healing, an experience that transformed his understanding of God from a distant figure to one intimately involved in his life. This early miracle set the stage for his broader message: that trials are not punishments but divine processes designed to build faith and character, often requiring believers to embrace challenges rather than flee from them. Stein illustrates this concept through the remarkable example of the muskox, an animal that faces Arctic blizzards by turning its head directly into the storm rather than running away. He explains that while other animals might freeze or perish in such conditions, the muskox grows a thick, valuable undercoat called qiviut specifically because it endures the cold and wind. This biological reality serves as a powerful metaphor for spiritual growth; just as the animal cannot develop its protective layer without facing the harsh elements, believers often cannot mature their faith, hope, relationships, prayer life, or passion without walking through difficult seasons. The storm is not an obstacle to be avoided but a necessary environment where God builds resilience and value in the believer's life. The core argument of his book, *The Way of the Ox*, is that Christians must cultivate "faith-filled grit" by refusing to give up when immediate answers do not appear. Stein warns against the bitterness that can arise when believers expect instant miracles every time, noting that while God has performed supernatural healings in his life, many other battles are won through a process of endurance and trust. He encourages listeners to advance in their faith even when they cannot see God's hand at work, emphasizing that giving up prematurely prevents the "silver lining" from emerging. Ultimately, he concludes that the most valuable things in life, much like the muskox's coat, are only acquired by standing firm against the wind and trusting that God is using the struggle to make us greater than gold.
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We've been sold the idea that bigger, faster, and easier is always better. But what if that's exactly what's making us weak? Dr. David Stein says a life of lasting impact isn't built on speed. Praise Jesus, but on choosing the hard, often gritty path of obedience. David, welcome to Unscripted Faith. >> Angela, thank you so much for having me. It's such a delight to be on your show. It is an honor to have you and I cannot wait to get into this talking about the grittiness of life because we all have certainly endured it but sometimes we felt bad about having to endure it. Um but before we go there share with me your God story and how you came to faith in Christ. >> Well I I started out life uh in the Catholic faith. Did the alter boy thing did all the way through. I I never really had a closeness to the Lord. Um but was going through the motions and um and then uh at 15 I was actually diagnosed with terminal cancer and um it it really shook my world. You know, as a as a young man, you just feel invincible to a certain point in time. And then I was uh essentially given uh six weeks uh left to live. And um my grandparents were visiting me. Of course, my parents were with me. I was at Ashner Clinic in New Orleans. And uh doctors couldn't really figure out what was going on and ended up concluding that I had leukemia. And there was really nothing that they could do for me at the time. It was a rare form of it that they had not had any success with. And um I I'll never forget when they told my parents uh I was in the room and they said, "Yeah, we we just going to plan on sending you guys home after a few more tests." And uh I was essentially going to go home to die. And uh as a 15-year-old, I was not framing this well. Of course, I was super bummed out, as anyone would be. And then I got a phone call from my grandfather uh the night before I was to have my last test the next morning and then I was gonna they were going to discharge me to go home. And my grandfather called. He was a man of faith and um he said uh he he got on the phone. I'm laying in the bed in the hospital room and he said, he said, "David, I had a dream last night and in the dream you were in the hospital bed and the hospital bed went up into the clouds and I remember he paused for a moment and I just thought, "Oh my god, I my grandfather's telling me I'm going to die." Um, but he said, "No, no, no. You came back down out of the clouds dressed like a normal 15-year-old young man." And he said, "David, I believe this means that you're going to be healed." And in that moment, I I mean, it it it it felt like the word of of God, even though I didn't know what that was in the moment. And sure enough, the next day, I had one more test. It was a bone marrow test. And the doctors did the classic thing come. They all came in the room and basically said, "We we can't explain this, but there is no more cancer in your son's body." As they were talking to my parents. >> Thank you. And um oddly enough, they kept me for a couple more days, but I was discharged to go and live instead of to [laughter] go home and die. And uh it it it changed my life, of course. I I went from knowing that there was a God to all of a sudden knowing that there was a God who was actually intimately interested in me. >> And uh it was still a few years, you know, how our faith journey is, uh before I I fully accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. Um but um yeah, that's my faith story. >> Wow. I mean, Dr. David, you are truly David. I mean, you shall not die, but live to declare the works of the Lord. What a powerful powerful testimony at just 15 years old. So, you went through difficulties. I mean that's the most difficult thing literally facing death at a young age of 15 and still had more trials and things that you went through in life but you've learned that those trials are not actually uh you know punishment but maybe gifts share with me. >> Yeah. Well I I can I can point you to the book the the way of the ox that I wrote. Um, you know, I uh I I feel like there's this there there's so much in the natural that speaks to the spiritual. >> Yes. >> And uh uh Angela, you just went through a conversation with an amazing couple about marriage. And I was doing the good husbandly thing one day with my wife and we were walking through HomeGoods. Come on, this is important. Husbands, YOU GOT TO CATCH THIS. Bottle along behind her. And uh my wife pointed over to this picture in HomeGoods and she said, "We need that picture in our living room." And I remember looking at it and it was of an animal that I had never seen before. And I was like, "Babe, I don't even know what that is." And and so of course we ended up with the picture in our living room. And um I looked it up whenever I got home and it was a picture of a muskox. And again, a very uh fair fairly unknown animal, at least to me. uh the muskox. As I began to do research though, I began to get so inspired and uh this animal, the one thing that stood out most to me, it was in blizzards and in the winter time, instead of running away from the storm, they're in the Arctic Circle, so it's already completely frigid, but instead of going away from the storm, they actually turn their shoulder and head into the blizzard. They go into the storm. And there's some amazing benefits to why they do this. But I thought uh in my own life, you know, the times where I resist challenges, the challenges get harder and harder. But whenever I trust that God has got me in the challenge and just turn my shoulder and say, "I'm going to walk through this with you, Lord." Then I see breakthrough after breakthrough happening. It's almost uh embracing what message does God want to teach to me in this season of my life. >> I love that it all started with a trip to HomeGoods. Okay, so we're fixing some marriages today. [laughter] >> Yes, that's a marriage tip. >> That's right. That's exactly right. I do love that story of the ox that it goes into the blizzard. It's not like just trying to run away from it and to your point, not living an easy life, but it shapes us. What are some of these things that when we face it headon that we can walk away from after that storm has passed? Hey friends, if this conversation is encouraging you, consider donating to Cornerstone TV [music] to make these programs possible. You can do that at ctvn.org/donate. you know, there's a lot we could walk away from and every storm is going to have different challenges in it. And um I I think really that's why I wrote this book is I I find oftenimes there can be discouragement that comes into the Christian life, definitely my own. whenever we're not framing what God is up to. And that that even going into a storm has not caught him off guard, but he really wants to build our faith. As scripture tells us, Angela, as you know, he wants to make it as great of greater worth even than gold. And last I checked, especially recently, gold is off the charts. [laughter] So if he wants to make it of greater worth than gold, there there's process he needs to take us through. And you're right, it's never as punishment. It's never as correction, but he allows us to learn and grow and really mature even as a seasoned believer in ways that we would not mature without him taking us on a journey of faith. So, some of the things that that we learn on the other side is is how to trust him in a bigger way in our life. And I I think, you know, as someone who's been through cancer, I've been through other health issues, and God has dealt with each one in a different way. I I'd love to say that he did the miraculous, like the leukemia healing story every time, but truth be told, I've had two others that were completely different process. And yet I am here disease-free, cancer free, healthy uh in this season of life. And and now I've lived to tell that God will get you through no matter what you're going through today. >> Wow. I'm so thankful you shared that you've had other battles that didn't look like that supernatural instantaneous healing so to speak, but it was more of a process or a journey because many of us go through that. That's that's what it looks like. It's a process, a journey. What kept you during those moments when that blizzard the ox is facing is barreling down and really I'm sure even the ox thinks get out of here. I'm running the opposite direction. What kept you that head down and kept pushing through instead of just giving up? >> You know, I've got uh five areas that I cover in the book, Angela. And I I feel like the book is really um you know years a years years ago uh a woman named Angela Duckworth wrote a book that you remember called Grit. And uh I remember reading that book I think it was 2012 2013 uh don't quote me on that. And uh I after reading that book, I just remember thinking, man, somebody needs to write a book about have having Christian grit, faithfilled grit in life. Because scripture tells us, you know, do not weary and welloing for in due season you will reap if you don't give up. And I see too many believers really if God doesn't come through there can be a bitterness that kind of comes out in their faith and kind of contaminates their attitude, their faith even. And really the idea is that God has not come through yet, but he will come through. And so for me, this this book has been uh somewhat of a testimony of come of how God's come through over and over, but also a playbook in how he does. And I believe there's there's five areas that we all need to advance in. And and that means move forward into in my mind. And that is that we advance in our faith. We advance in our hope. We advance even in our relationships, those individuals around us. And then we advance in our prayer life. I know that these aren't rocket science, but these are so key in digging back into the basics of how to get through even the most difficult challenges. And then the last one is really advancing our passion. What is that thing God's put in our heart? Uh that's really an aspect of where God gives fulfillment in our life. Even in the challenging seasons, we should be pursuing a passion in our life and not just set it aside until this challenge passes. >> I love that grittiness really does matter. And as believers, we must be Revelation says over and over, those who endure to the end. Not those who endure until it gets tough and then they give up. No, those who endure to the end. And you have certainly produced through this book and through your life a living testimony of what it looks like to endure to the end to see his hand to trust him when you can't trace him. And we're so thankful for you, Dr. David. You have made us all better by sharing. >> Thank you. You know, I I mentioned that the muskox turns its shoulder and goes into the storm. It does this for a reason, Angela. It's it's hardwired to know that it must uh endure this challenge, this storm, because on the other side of the storm, get this, the muskox, while it goes into the storm, it has this amazing ability to grow this under layer called quivivet. And that under layer grows out only whenever it gets colder outside. And it is the most valuable wool on planet Earth. It's called quivet. And it only grows through the muskox. It's the silver lining of what God's doing in your life. Angela, >> that's it. You can only get some things by going through the hard. Dr. David, thank you for being with us today. >> God bless you. Thank you so much for having me on, Angela.