Sam and Colby on Ghost Hunting in The Conjuring House, Demonic Possession, & Reaching The Afterlife

what do you think is the most haunted place in the world Conjuring house The Conjuring house we spent a week there and it completely changed our lives if you take pictures of this doll it literally says it gives you cancer and we did that and then I got cancer that month that was definitely the first time we truly believed if you have proof then our human life doesn't matter anymore and so when I hear these things or see these things that make me believe that there might be something more it gives me hope we have some breaking news as of like 20 minutes ago did you hear that Mr B sold his channel to Disney no he didn't billion you're lying the number got leaked wait so is there an amount confirmed yes it was just confirmed so is there an amount that you would sell for probably six billion dude what I can't believe that why wait so they own everything now yes and he's not appearing on it anymore you're l no I swear someone else is coming in and Li of like Mr Beast and they're going to be like Mr Beast isn't that crazy are you lying yeah he's lying to us there's not a SE he's a horrible Li really yeah you got I didn't know you're going to saying in it that's too too far okay my bad I ruined I ruined the bit but is going to take over imagine he said that no he's not selling the channel not selling the channel That would be pretty crazy so we sell ours frog 300 bucks bucks I'll I'll that right now if you guys want yeah yeah this out after the podcast Okay cool so you guys were on Rogan right about this time last year I mean that's basically like the massive stamp of approval of like okay you guys are some serious people to be on Rogan right before that we were the most stupid unserious people no and it all changed how how do they reach out to you dude in the most casual way possible we got email from like a random Gmail account and was just like yo joe wants you on the Pod you guys down we're like this is fake this is a g we actually thought it was fake at first yeah it was just like a paragraph it didn't have like any of the professional headers or like the endings of the emails it also was just like a random one like paragraph thing JRE recruiter at gmail yeah like come out to like Austin and like film the show with us I'm curious how you even see that email cuz we get probably 100 emails a day and most of them we just don't end up seeing how do you see that one email well don't get a header that says Joe Rogan Experience maybe look at it for two seconds and we're like this is probably fake but just in case let's have someone feeled it for a second and it turned out to be real and then we shot our pants was cool it was terrifying why did he want you on his daughter was a fan okay was that really it that she was the one who was like yeah you got to get S yeah yeah she was like yeah a major fan and she she's bought like all of our merch and stuff and we have like she or she said she has like posters of us like in her room and stuff so Joe sees us every morning appar no are you serious so she was like nagging him to like get us on and um he finally like looked us up and obviously he's super into the supernatural stuff so he was just like all right this could be a good fit how nervous were you going going on there did they do they prep you with like here's what he's going to talk about here's the outline or no is it just we're going to show up and do our best nothing we didn't we didn't really hear any information other than like some flights being sent our way until we walked in and then even beforehand uh he just came up and was like yeah let's you know we'll talk on the podcast and then just hopped in the room we started so like we didn't know anything about it all we knew obviously we'd seen a bunch of his shows uh all we knew was going to be a long podcast and we got sent a couple of Clips um after we accepted of Joe saying he like really doesn't believe in the Paranormal and so we were kind of nervous who sent you that uh just like PR Joe's PR no ours we just looked in looked into it a little bit because we were like yeah I wonder if he's into the ghost stuff you know talks about conspiracy theories and stuff like that and he is ragged on a lot of ghost hunters in the past so we were like uh oh like is he GNA you know like our stories or not but do you think you convinced them we took a very like uh vague approach to it um so like we basically didn't say ghosts are real or ghosts are fake like we didn't tell him that like directly we were just like well there could be like possibilities of blank like energies certain things like that um so I think like keeping it as a vague approach he was extremely Fair okay you know for someone that probably before our our podcast didn't believe at all he was incredibly Fair like hearing us out and hearing our stories and I think he believed that we believe but I don't know if he believed after us yeah yeah yeah do you guys hang out with him afterwards like when the podcast ends what happens to Joe Rogan so actually so his daughter came to the studio right after and we had a giant what like a giant cardboard box of our merch that was shipped to us and uh we were about to go back to La so we were just like all right we might as well like give this all to her then as we were pulling out he ran to our car and was just like do you guys actually want to go to like a steak dinner yeah like yeah sure why not so we all went to like a a fancy spot like down the street and hung out with him how was that going to dinner with Joe where people just like constantly coming up oh my God it's Joe Rogan well he had security and he walked in with like the hood up head down like no way I've never seen anything like before definitely next level but I mean he was incredibly genuine like met his family you know and like just you know shot the [ __ ] you know off off camera for like two or three hours was super nice like gave us a lot of his time it was really what was most surprising about Joe Rogan um I honestly think the most surprising thing was how open he was to our stories because I was imagining him being very anti- paranormal and you know not making fun of us but making fun of the idea of something else but he was he was pretty fair with everything and like went down the crazy roads of like talking about all the different sides of the Paranormal and ghost hunting and everything with us and it was really cool and then he followed up actually he you know started texting us ghost stories and then he was texting you guys MH yeah just like hey guys check this out this like ghost story and then he invited us out to his Comedy Store uh in Austin to do a ghost hunt so we're about which we're doing next week are you serious we're going in yeah we're gonna see him next week yeah when is that gonna drop that's B no March March something it's like our first or second video of the year but yeah he was like dude I think my place is haunted he's heard of some like murders that happened in the building and he was like I want you guys to investigate I think this stuff is really cool so yeah is he G to be in it yes I hope so a little bit he's not going to be like investigating with us or anything that's crazy yeah but we're going to do like an interview and he'll probably walk us through the spot and then yeah let us do our own thing how does that feel like on a personal level outside of all the YouTube The Fame this and that just like casually meeting Joe Rogan and like H you up crazy it's crazy I I remember when we got the email it was right after last hell week I think which is October for us um and again we thought it was fake at first but it's it's just surreal like it's he doesn't even do any YouTubers at all I think he's done like a handful Marcus browny yeah maybe that's it I don't know if there's anybody else but yeah we were just shocked we we were just confused definitely I mean he definitely the most famous person we've met uh but what's really cool is how down to earth he is like when he when he texts or invites us out to things he's just like yeah like so casual and like dude you could be texting anybody in the world why are you texting us so it's really cool that you know he's so nice yeah he's a nice guy on a different level you guys are very very down to earth as well and you guys have at this point what 11 million subscribers on the main Channel and then a few other million here and there on side channels or your own personal channels and stuff like that I wanted to bring up really quick the funny story of how I met you guys I don't know if I told you guys this I was actually on I swear to God I don't bring this up just on my own okay it's it's just by happen stance I was on a Tinder date I said it okay I was on a Tinder date I like most your tind jack I not anymore no that was like the old me all the story start with I was on a i swe Tinder is not it's not like a big part of my life or anything don't go around thinking that it is but I was indeed on a Tinder date with somebody and she said oh my God there's these two YouTubers I'm so obsessed with them they're like my favorite ever their names are Sam and Colby no way and I'm like okay cool and I like look you guys up um I saw and then she was like yeah they just moved to Vegas oh my gosh what if I ran into them at a Starbucks how does that feel to be like on a date with this girl and she's fangling fing about two other guys in front in front of you yeah is that disrespectful or not no it was like it was a little bit it was in a casual way but she's like I have like I watch every single video as soon as it comes comes out like they mean the world to me I'm like okay it didn't bother me I thought it was just kind of like funny they didn't say just like how extremely hot we were or anything I mean she was saying that she was like madly infatuated with you guys so Jack if you could get the same haircut as they had that's the that's the only difference guys is the hairstyle but okay anyways I was I was on this date and she brought you guys up and then I go to vidsummit like two weeks later yes and then I hear like talk on the street people are like these Sam and Colby guys like they're here and I'm like oh Sam and Colby like they just moved to Vegas and they're like my age that's all I knew never seen a video none of that I knew you're my age you live in Vegas and then my tnder date she brought that up and then I see you guys just by happen stance and I'm like hey guys nice to meet on the ship right on the ship it was at a an after party after vid Summit and I see you guys like I'm the one we were at together yeah we yeah the ship yeah I remember that yeah and the ship the the yacht yeah the yacht whatever it was it was it was like an Afterparty for this massive YouTuber convention if massive naval ship or something like on the ship the sailboat the tiny little bo it was it was a it was a ship guys it was a massive yacht ship but anyways we were on this boat and I see you guys getting some food I'm like hey guys I'm Jack nice to meet you I live in Vegas and you guys were so like friendly chill you gave me your phone number and then we just like ever since then have been like hanging out we get food and stuff like that some pickle ball here and there you know what you should do is text that girl a picture right now so I feel like it's a pretty commonly known fact that running a business can be incredibly challenging and trying to stay organized using a bunch of different spreadsheets and softwares can end up taking more time and energy than what it's worth now here at the iced coffee hour We're All About simplifying things and making them as easy as possible and our sponsor netsuite is able to help you do just that as long as you remember these three numbers 37,000 25 and 1 37,000 because that's how many companies have already switched to net suite and stop doing things like typing in 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you her response she's like e she's like don't get me in there just there we go she's like wow they are so much hotter than you when the last time you talked to her I don't know not not like super long ago we let me see the last message I'm not going to show you the last message bro the last message want to see lastage I think she actually texted me somewhat the last message is like oh she said did you break your leg or what when I got the injury so you're still talking to her a year and no that was like that was like the first time she reached out to me in a long time in a year and a half why why is this why is this what you really want to dive into GR we love diving into Jack's love we're here for Sam and Colby okay but anyways that's the case we became friends and ever since then we've been hanging out for those that are wondering like this is the most unlikely collaboration that we've ever thought of because we're in very different circles I was going to say have you ever had anybody like us on this podcast Mr Ballin Mr B Mr B yeah does the scary stories right yeah he's crushing it yeah the episode that we did with him did like over two million views everything he touches turns to Gold it's awesome it does he's got that that star got that star over a million views yeah he took over the space so I'm curious how did you guys first meet um our parents made us do band and we both didn't really like doing it and so we kind of bonded over the fact that we didn't want to be there what instrument did you guys pick um you were Al saxophone clinet I did clarinet clet okay cool and then tener saxophone and um jazz band okay so good old stuff what didn't you like about that it just it was something that so my my grandpa was the drum major and so like he made my dad do band and then my dad like forced me to do band as well so it was just one of those things where it's like when your parents force you to do something you're just not going to like it no matter what it is um I didn't hate it like looking back on it I'm glad I did it because I you know met a lot of Lifetime friends and stuff but it was just one of those things where I was like H like I hated going to to practice especially in the summer and stuff like we'd miss a month of our summer just cuz we were it was a lot of work yeah practicing all time there was one good thing about band camp and that was the really hot senior drum major Dr major yeah so we both had a crush on the senior drum major and we couldn't talk to her at all uh and so that's what we bonded over we sat in a corner twiddling our thumbs going you go talk to her no you go talk to her we can't talk to her let's talk to each other and so that's how we became friends we had a little crush and we were like [ __ ] like how do we talk to this girl and then so we decided all right let's uh I guess change that yeah we were very and awkward people we still are kind of shy and awkward right now but we were very very shy and awkward like when we were like 13 14 and so we bonded over the fact that we couldn't talk to this girl and like we were both like you said just trying to like dare each other to go up and like say something but we couldn't and so we were just like hey we both have this issue how do we solve it let's go to the mall the only thing in Kansas City like where everybody went to from all the school districts was this one mall called Oak Park Mall yeah we decided to go there every single weekend and throw ourselves in the deep end of social situations and kind of like not even just pick up girls but like go talk to everybody in any social situation to kind of put ourselves out of our comfort zone to learn how to talk to people so what like a specific experience that you guys dared each other to do at the mall to like go high five first person to high five 25 people wins and so we'd run around like to everybody like just like random things that would get your heart racing yeah or like be like all right so we play this well we got this from Kong from U Simple Pickup this a YouTube channel a long time ago I taught confidence but uh anyway this is one of the games basically called go so I would tell him like Hey go fall in front of that group of girls uh right now and if you don't do it 20 push-ups and so we do things like that so like you know you either do the push-ups or you go make a fool of yourself or I get to tell him the pickup line that he has to go use on the next girl and it was atrocious but the crazy thing about that game specifically is like why why it was called go is I think we had what a 5-c rule where he would like prompt me with something like go fall in front of these girls and then countd down from five so I couldn't even have can't think once you think about it for more than five seconds you're gonna overthink it and then you're going to be in your head and you're never going to do it and again we're not recommending that everybody does this and stuff but we were 15 years old at this point and so it really worked for us back then being like minors and like I wouldn't recommend like a 27y old to like fall in front of a bunch of girls it taught us like a lot about rejection why were you so shy why do you think that is [Music] how we grew up and yeah just naturally there was like an experience you remember that maybe taught you like I shouldn't be as outgoing or I shouldn't like put myself out there so much or like embarrassment for me just generally like was insecurity okay yeah like it was so bad like if I was sitting next to like a group of people and like the teacher called on me I would cry cuz I was like I I didn't want to be on the spot like it was like it was horrible so is that like an anxiety thing where you get called and like all of a sudden you kind of freeze and panic and oh yeah was like my worst fear I mean most most people's worst feel fear is like public speaking but for me like was even just talking or saying hi to somebody so I'm very glad we're out of that now but I feel like a lot of young people go through that too where they feel that insecurity yeah so how long did that take you to overcome a lot of those feelings by going out to the mall and like practicing like a year yeah probably like we've really noticed the difference after a year and I would say we were very very different people after two years but we worked at it like we would write down exactly what we wanted to do and like the challenges and stuff and it we didn't treat it as like oh let's just go to the mall and like gain confidence it was like we put it on whiteboards and stuff like that like my dad would drop us off at like 10:00 a.m. at the mall and then pick us up at 10 p.m. and we'd be running like you know these games and stuff like that the entire time would he know what you were doing yeah he encouraged it he was encouraged it he like would even talk to us and brainstorm about things that we could do like things we could say or things that we could practice to like get better at speaking so how long did it take you to get good at that I can imagine after like 2 three months you're getting pretty proficient at going up and be like all right we know we could high five strangers but can you get a phone number exactly first get three phone numbers like now go exactly I mean it escalated pretty quickly I mean it started off with high fives and ended with you know singing carols on the food court tables in front of like 500 people were you filming it uh we didn't for two years but that's where our Vine career started mhm so when we did this for like two years then you know k came to me and being like hey I see these people on Vine these madc boys back in the day they're doing a lot of stupid pranks in public we pretty much do that already what if we just film it because we can do exactly what they're doing and we literally do it every single weekend but just for fun and so that's where the vine and social media thing started what was the first Vine you posted well it was at the Oak Park Mall okay and Oak Park Mall I want to go they hate us we're actually banned there for that you actually we're B there for life but we're in their Zoomies you know wa have you been back recently or anytime yeah we we go back and they're cool with you guys now well if they saw us technically they can arrest us yeah they can arrest us at any time technically because we signed like a contract or whatever um if you step foot in the mall we get arrested immediately but we we've been back so for legal purposes we haven't been can't you hire a lawyer just overturn that and just like work it out like it might be worth it just to be able to go back to like the place it started yeah it's not that big of a deal what was the one prank that you did that got you like banned for life oh God it was the couch yeah but we took a couch out of like one of the public areas both got on it rode up and down the escalators a couple times and then put the couch back and they're like that's destruction of property or something was this on Vine yeah you filmed it yeah it's funny it was bad it was bad yeah but that's like that takes a lot of confidence to do that that's like not just your average person not even like not your top like I don't know 10% of people in confidence levels would do that exactly yeah but we had just finished that year of gaining the most confidence we've ever had in our entire lives so we were like on Cloud9 of like not giving a [ __ ] as you already may have heard me mention I recently hurt my ankle playing basketball although we were cooking the opponents 11 to3 going through this I realized just how hard it is to get a hold of a doctor let alone finding a doctor that accepts new patients and accepts your insurance and that's where our sponsor Zach do comes in Zach do is a free app and website where you can search and compare highly rated in network doctors near you and instantly book 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just screamed our first vinea we jumped on to like the food court and like screamed at the top of our lungs and it was a full it was like 600 p.m. everyone's eating there's probably 300 people there screamed at the top of our lungs and then jumped off and ran around and it was literally we literally were just like first bu yo and then screamed jumped off the table what was what were people's reactions when they see that are they laughing clapping or they just like most people were just kind of like like what are these guys doing yeah Dead Silence was super awkward there's this guy that I follow on Tik Tok who does similar sort of social experiments and he shows that like you could do whatever you want in public and nobody cares and he'll walk through a mall like this and you see people just straight ahead they pay no attention he's like you can act however you want in public and no one's going to do anything and no one cares so it doesn't matter dud that's like the biggest thing we realize of this entire process is like people don't care about you like as much as like that's hard to hear you think that everyone's looking at you no one cares cuz they got their own own problems their own things in their life their own things that they're focused on so you can do whatever you want you can say whatever you want you can be whoever you want to be because at the end of the day they're going to focus on them you're going to focus on you or if they do notice you doing something like that they'll forget about it in a week or two like none of those people are going to remember our first Vine you know what I mean like they're not going to be like do you guys remember in like 2013 when these two kids screamed on maybe they do at this point I don't know maybe they do be legendary 13 years later let's go I don't know one of my biggest fears is getting up on a table at one of those like Mall food courts and like yelling trying to get everyone's it's a freeing feeling we were like attention attention cuz I've seen like the simple pickup people do it and then I think it was uh Jason who would go on the table and say excuse me everyone quiet down quiet down that girl right there let me go talk to you and then he would just walk up and like get a number I think that was one of them yeah I think that's probably where we got to like get people's attention have everyone look at you as like you're a disturbance yeah but once you do it once and you realize your life is not over but is it a good feeling is it freeing feeling or is it kind of like oh I just did that you know and then you just like yeah I mean that's why we did it was because it was an adrenaline rush and we were so shy that like P pushing ourselves to that extreme like screaming when we're not able to talk in classrooms it just made us feel like we could do anything yeah it desensitizes you to all your other fears like imagine you do the thing that you're absolutely most scared of and and you realize that wasn't so bad then the next time you want to do it you can push it even further you can push it even further or that other thing that you're very scared of doesn't seem so bad so do you think that anxiety that you had let even if it's not like anxiety disorder let's just say it was like a derivative of that do you think that's something that can actually be conquered and solved by something like this or do you think there's still like an underlying level of low-grade anxiety that people just carry with themselves their entire life they can do their best to mask it but you can't conquer it it's hard to say cuz obviously we're not like medical professionals at all we were right but in your own life with the anxiety that you had I have always had anxiety my entire life and even after 15 I would say like I was the most confident I was when I was 15 16 um but like it's it's always been there I've learned that anxiety is something that you can like learn to deal with and suppress but it will always be there in certain situations um but again like it's it's something that you have to practice at every single day like if you're practicing constantly putting yourself out of your comfort zone it's way easier at least personally speaking to talk to other people and have less anxiety I think it was very interesting the difference between us because I I think to your question it's it's a personal use case I mean we weren't diagnosed with anything so maybe other people are very different but for us like after this experience of like the confidence era in high school and going through all the Social Media stuff I feel like I changed and didn't go back any any bit and but I also think I was like probably even worse in terms of anxiety and like you know social insecurity than you were um but nowadays I feel like I once I was able to accomplish that I didn't really go back to ever like that super hardcore insecurity anxiety but I feel like you maybe were different yeah we're like different in those ways I feel like it's a muscle where if you don't actively exercise it you lose it that's where and for me it's like I used to be really social when I was like a real estate agent talking to everybody and now I I just don't have those skills anymore yeah so I've lost it completely and even now like going out and socializing it's like twice a week really and now I have to actively like work on myself and kind of think about it a little more than I used to definitely it's a skill set for sure and I think people forget about that there's people like you which I'm jealous of that like you can take that one experience and then use it for life but yeah for me it's like I just constantly have to be putting myself out of my comfort zone to like feel that yeah security so were all of your Vines these like big stunts in front of people initially for like probably a year yeah yeah we called it our public disturbance era where we just like go in and wre the trend at the time it was like you know elevator pranks escalator pranks yeah that was like the start of the prank era I feel like where it really became popular from 2014 to what 2016 17 something like that yeah and that's when vine died 2016 and so we had to Pivot over to YouTube so were you were you making any money at that point on Vine or no it's just like you're gaining a following we were getting some money from Brand deals every once in a while we probably started making money on Vine after about a year uh we could we moved out to Los Angeles with about just under a million followers on Vine and to give you reference we could barely make rent like maybe if rent was you know just around 3K with utilities and everything like that we were making maybe like four or 5K we could say how much we moved out with though right it would be funny if you're like we could barely make rent like 40 Grand a month super humble though um no we had 15 grand in our bank account total yeah our so you guys had a joint account at the time yeah we started Sam Kobe Enterprises in Kansas yeah yeah your dad helped us with that actually yeah so I came out and visited uh my senior year in like winter and we're like we need to be in La like if we want to continue the social media thing we have to like that was the era of all collaborations and that was the main way to grow and then so my dad sat us down was like okay if you guys can get $220,000 then I'll let you guys take a gap or I'll let me take a gap year subsequently him too and so basically spent six months trying to rack up as much cash as we possibly could and although we only got 16 they were like H go for it that's you know three to five months rent and expenses and stuff like that like you probably won't die what's your dad's background to be able to say all right you get this amount you could go and move here and like you need x amount of expenses like that like most parents I feel like wouldn't do that they would just say oh you want to do that you know good luck uh we're we're here to you have a crash to sleep on yeah I mean my dad was a pivotal part in our success I think like he helped us form businesses he taught us about personal finance he taught us about like management gave us a bunch of books to read just the encouraging words were the best yeah like he just like we would be doing all these crazy stuff and like a lot of like our friends and family members were like what are you guys doing going to the mall at the time but he was just like no you guys are like growing faster than everybody else like keep doing this I like that what what's his background what does he do he did a bunch of different stuff we started en counting became more managerial stuff and then that's why yeah good marketing manager a bunch of different companies and stuff like that he was bouncing around but his main thing at the end was like like Consulting people on how to run a business and so he looked at us I was like a little business and obviously cared about us more than anything else so he was like no like you guys like people don't think about this you know personal growth stuff when they're 15 this is like later on in life so take this charge like here's like you know where you should learn about your finances here's how you should learn about your life and confidence and here's books and stuff he's always giving us ideas what what books did he give you dude first one I will recommend to everybody ever how to lend friends and I love that book I always tell people read that book I love it's one of my favorite books you're any Walk of Life but especially a young person read How to Win Friends and Influence People I agree it's an older book too I think it was like early 1900s 100 years old public so you could just look it up online for free right so it's interesting to read it now in 2024 I just read last year for the first time are you serious yeah audio is also free on YouTube yeah that's very true but like all the examples that Dale Carnegie uses are like like figures in the late 1800s it's really interesting that's like all still applies you know it's like life doesn't change too much or the human psyche doesn't change too much so you can apply all those different things you know different people just like listening different podcasts or like you know the Rich Dad Poor Dad type stuff just the generalized here get a a basic sense of life and then whenever we had questions he was the guy to read contracts or help us negotiate on brand deals at the start it was really helpful so when you moved to LA did you live in that Hollywood and Vine building like everyone else Vine you actually we didn't move to that building initially so 2015 we were in Studio City just a random spot uh 2016 we moved to vine cuz we didn't have enough 15K in our bank account not move there cuz that R Spot to be yeah it was almost 5K a month to live there for two for two bedroom and 1600 yeah so it was like we pretty much it was probably not the best financial move for us because but everyone was there yeah but it was the greatest thing in the world for our career was that at the time Logan Paul was living there mhm King Batch Bieber had like the pen housee at the time really was living there yeah yeah he lived up on you those beans right there but no we never saw we never saw we weren't that cool he had his own elevator probably probably honestly everybody lived there so how were you supporting yourself at the time like were you making enough on Vine brand deals to keep this going like did you ever worry about like running out of money uh at first for sure we were we were worried about it but at the same time we were on again our both of our parents said like all right guys you have a gap year if you don't make they didn't even give us like an x amount but they were just like if you don't make it pretty much both you gotta go back to like KU or college whatever um and so yeah we were live streaming all the time brand there was a big pivotal moment in our financial career and that was probably six to 8 months after we moved to LA so we were basically running on brand deals and live streaming for a while in tour money we would go on tour and MC the shows because we weren't big enough so we'd like pitch tour companies and be like why don't we just like host them then and they were like all right you guys have a little bit of a following was this this was the MagCon Tour this was right after Magcon so we missed the initial Magcon but like did those types of things like press play if you've heard of them or digit tour things like that very small type of things but yeah basically we're we're running on that money and that was okay we were definitely making just above rent but we were like this is going to be very stressful for a very long time uh and then we actually met uh Kong in person we met him um in 2015 him and Jess in 2015 and they taught us about subscription services and how did you meet them at VidCon like one of those like events you know really it was just like a bunch of YouTube I remember so it was an Afterparty and I remember like seeing Kong in the distance and then just like fangirling to say I'm like oh my God like that dude changed our lives like oh my god um should we go talk to him like no we shouldn't we shouldn't we can't be weird and then we were just like wait we've been doing that like our entire lives like throwing ourselves out of our Comforts like we have to and so I went up and like tapped his shoulder and he was like in a conversation he said like give me one second I'm going to finish this and then talk to you guys and I just straight up said like hey man like we are here because of you and you changed our lives and like just basically like like y dude we love you and he he could see like how genuine we were being and he was interested in our businesses and taught us about subscription Services he was like I know like the best way to make money no one's doing this so I think you guys should try it out and so we ran our first subscription service and that was insane for us like at this point we were making you like 5K a month and then when we launched our first Subscription Service I think it went up to like 15K a month and we were like oh wait we are going to make it like we're not going to have to go home to Kansas and that was like the coolest thing in the world they were really ahead of their time a simple pickup I remember when they came out with project go for $5 a month and I remember how many people signed up for that thing and I was blown away I think that was 201 like 13 they have one of if not the first subcription service yeah way ahead of their time I thought it was a genius idea and I think also at the time they were doing like boot camps in addition to that I mean it was such a good business to be in they were super smart like behind the scenes and we were lucky to meet them I think we met them six months after we moved or less yeah probably like yeah six months within a couple months after that they had helped us launch our first Subscription Service they basically took the skeleton of project go and like gave us everything like all the code and stuff and we're just like hey use this for your own project and we ended up doing something called the life project way back in 2015 which was all about like teaching people like things that school doesn't so like how to be happy to the best of our ability you know obviously we're not MediCal or therapists at all but like how to be happy or like make friends that we've been working on the last this might sounds stupid but did did they just do this for free or was it like we could work out something like one we were a guinea pig for them so basically anything any product and stuff they wanted to test they could test it on us and they also got a percentage of whatever so they were they were doing it for a couple different reasons but I obviously the the stuff they were putting into us they did not get a return on at all so shout out to them for helping us this was just a website that you guys would upload unique content to and people would pay a subscription to access it kind of just similar to patreon patreon patreon man correct yeah 2015 okay so that's massive so you went to 15K month with this thing yes and then you could support yourselves and were you on YouTube at this point or no we were doing YouTube to but we were extremely small like we were getting like zero views pretty much we also made a horrible decision this is one of the contracts I didn't run past my dad uh and we got scammed so we were in a three-year contract with a scam company that got all our AdSense since the day we started so we didn't make any money on YouTube at all for the first three years was that like one of those MCN where they like hey sign us we're going to help you with copyright claims and monetization and it was just like a click of a button and then they got everything contract that's why or were they like did they have access to your Channel or something yeah I think they had access to the back end of our channel so long ago wow and the contract was 3 years and they didn't provide any value zero did they tell you that they were going to take 100% of the revenue no they said they were going to take 10% and then it just took everything we didn't see are you for three years we got scammed it was some Australian company but why couldn't you just like kick them out of the channel cuz you were like in then with the contract going outside of the contract you is that you got fight an Australian company that's difficult yeah we were just scared at that point we we weren't you know doing really well and so we were like okay like how much is that lawyer how much is this big battle going to be and like where are we going to win we also were just super naive to how much money you can make on YouTube at this point so we were only making our money from live streaming and Vine so we didn't even know like AdSense was worth it right so we were like oh whatever ads like no big deal then it turned off and like oh we missed out oh do you feel comfortable sharing how much that amount would have been I don't even know oh honestly it's not that much again we were really small this is probably before 200k Subs so I mean less than 5K prob dude a lawyer would have been 20K to fight so it wouldn't have we yeah we were not getting any views on YouTube it really wasn't that big of a deal luckily like it's a good lesson to learn that early on I mean $5,000 lesson is really inexpensive yeah definitely for sure I think I found guys shortly afterwards just unknowingly through that killing prank Sam Pepper yeah could you walk us through cuz that I remember seeing that at the time and thinking like this is crazy and I've never seen anything like it before and I had mixed feelings on it because I was like it's so intense but it's also like what a video and it like I I think it blew up on YouTube at the time it did I think it had to be like the biggest thing on YouTube that year it's still on all the top worst pranks ever pulled on YouTube D I see this compilation years later horrible and that was this is is like talking about this wait he did I think top 10 anytime someone mentions Sam Pepper it's like ah yeah it's just crazy that we did that in 2015 and now being 2024 it's like nine years later this is following us but no the story was basically we again we very small on social media and we were walking around um what's it called the Santa Monica yeah walking around the Promenade and we saw Sam Pepper he was big at the time he biggest remember big UK kick why is he here we had no idea really about him but we were like all we know is he's a big guy and so we're like let's go shoot our what's up and he was like really taken back by it he was like oh what and we were like dude for the last two years we've been doing like public Serv pranks and stuff and I we I think he did pranks at the time and we're like let's let's do a prank like what whatever you want to do let's let's you know collaboration we had never really met another YouTuber yeah he was excited like we were kind of confused why he wanted to collab with us cuz we had like 200k or something like that a lot yeah but and but he had like 2.2 million so it was like 2 million more than us um and we didn't realize that he had like a little bit of controversy like surrounding his name um and that's why he was so stoked to just have somebody excited to film with him and so we got on like brainstorm calls of like how can we make the most viral prank ever like and we were just throwing out the the craziest most radical ideas and then he was like so what what why do people like you and we're like well pretty much everyone follows us just for our friendship it's like okay well the most worst thing that could possibly happen to a friendship someone dying in front of your eyes like we thinking extremes you guys like where's that cont oh God horrible bad very bad in retrospect but if you think of it in a business perspective it was lowkey genius because we did it on his channel it got 10 million views in one week on every single news station we gained like a 100 or 200k like instantly so it like boosted Us on YouTube it's probably one of if not still the biggest exposure we've ever had oh because it still gets talked about now 10 years later I think from a branding perspective that was probably a genius idea I mean very few ideas and Concepts could be taken to that extreme to get that amount of reach and elicit that type of response everywhere I mean that was probably a 1 billion view video when you really think about through all platforms all the people that have watched it multiple times over this whole last decade for sure yeah no it's people still talk about it all the time and when we bring it up they're like oh I've seen that video I didn't know it was you guys I didn't know it was you guys either so yeah it took me a little bit to realize that was you guys yeah and same as the following fat people I didn't realize I didn't I didn't realize that was you guys either I saw that and I thought that was the I think it was in like middle school or and saw like this isest my enti life like you re whatever did all this and I found out like probably four months ago that that was you guys oh yeah nobody knows nobody knows now if you're watching this right now you might notice that we're extra clear today and that's because we're filming in 4k it's very expensive to do we've reinvested a lot of money back into the channel to bring this to you however we were able to grow past 900,000 subscribers by just doing the basics and if you want to be able to do something similar then our our sponsor streamyard is there to help streamyard is a live streaming and content creation software that allows you 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episode but Sam people say you're amazing actor thank most people don't believe me that that was acting they're still like oh he got traumatized that was real but I had tried work on making myself cry for like three weeks before that PR how do you how do you make yourself cry uh it was you can't even do it anymore yeah it's I mean I haven't tried in a very very long time but it's just like you watch tutorials on what you think about how you get yourself in the zone and there was like while we were shooting that you know we did the first scene and then the second scene's the rooftop where Kobe gets sh and so while that was whole prep that whole prep I spent like 30 minutes by myself in a car listening to sad music being like I'm actually putting myself in that moment of if Colby died in front of my eyes and so like yes it was acting but it was also me like genuinely believing it was which is acting it was impressive like really impressive I have to say yeah I did research on that clip earlier today I watched it a few times and then I saw response videos everything in the last like eight years recent things now and I go back to watch it even after I've seen everything and I look at that and I still think no maybe maybe there's a chance that's that's real and you're just saying this and you know there's some of our good friends that don't even believe really close friends that they're like no you can't lie to me like that wasn't acting that you actually got traumatized but cool yeah believe what you want to believe it's all good but it's just we you can't do it now like I said I watch that and I cry like literally I watch it six months ago and I saw like that guy is so so sad yeah it's messed up it's messed up and we thought it was going to like like we'd have like more a positive reaction at least from our like peers and family our PE and family I'm sure you him with the best of intentions I'm not saying from like General audience but like we thought like like we texted the simple pickup guys like afterwards like hey like look like look at this big like marketing PR move or whatever and they were like guys this is horrible why what you doing our parents were pissed off dud I think that happens to everybody you go in and be like this is fantastic and then other people yo what did you just do it was a learning experience look how well it did everyone is watching it yeah yeah luckily we got out of the prank world and started doing some things away from that um but that didn't turn out good either we got arrested yeah so so I I noticed from after that you went to abandoned buildings who's idea was it to go and explore places you shouldn't be so back in Kansas other than going to this one mall the only other thing to do was you know explore haunted houses and abandoned buildings and things like that there's not much to do in Kansas so it was something that we had done quite frequently actually when we were kids and just like with our buddies and so yeah after this random date he was like oh I took this girl to like a cool like place to explore what if we did this on our YouTube channel yeah cuz we were like after the whole kill best friend prank thing like for the next like two years we were just doing all the kind of corny like challenges that were a big thing in 2015 2016 like what girls like about guys like sort of things were you growing in ship from that or were you still riding that it was pretty much stagnant you were still riding that s pepper video yeah and I mean we weren't like declining and we still had like um before Vine died we had 1.7 million on there and so we had like kind of a core audience from Vine that watched we had like about a 100K people that would like watch our stuff I would say maybe like 60 to 100K um but like we would just make this content that we did not like whatsoever and just felt kind of like corny to us people could tell we weren't super passionate about it yeah we weren't like super happy while filming it too so obviously you guys know this as well being YouTubers and stuff is that like the audience can pick up on genuine emotion and if you're not having a good time doing something people can tell and so I think that was kind of it where people like enjoyed watching us but knew that we were in like the wrong sort of stick or Niche um and so yeah I went on a date with this random girl and looked up this spot called um Hell's Gate it was like in passadena or something like that and like just like giant like damn that was like rumored to be cursed or whatever is this a first date I think so so you took a girl to a I really hope she was from Timber that would just make she's like yeah let's go we have super down I'm like what how did she agree to that did was she just like well I never saw her again afterwards prob was Terri that probably not a good first date but yeah a couple days later I was we were running out of YouTube ideas and I was like why don't we do this and we tried it and genuinely had so much fun and had so much fun editing it to like the post production and all that um and it did really well on our Channel 3x all 300,000 views we're like not only are we more happy doing it but also we're getting such a better response so we just kind of dove into it we're like wait okay that makes sense the more that we're passionate about something and just genuinely interested in things It'll like do better so we kind of ran with that and started exploring all over the United States and then even all around even want talk Australia to explor Urbana places think we years how do you find these places do people reach out and say hey I know this spot or do you research on your own so initially we had to research everything which was the worst part ever um we hated it but after we did it for like six months we just would get DMS and emails of people being like oh check this out here check this out here and then we met like like shout out exploring with Josh back then like he was the the biggest like Explorer he still is I would say like the biggest Explorer like on YouTube on YouTube and he had a spreadsheet of like thousands of these abandoned spots and he would be like super happy to help us if we were like hey man like we're going to Cincinnati where's like five spots around here he was like go here here here here when we first started though it was pretty running gun we were talked about this the other day we'd like go to a spot maybe we'd have one location but we'd stay there for a week and then the first night in the hotel room we just look up on our computer abandoned spots and we'd try them and sometimes they were duds and so we'd go to like five or six places in a and only film maybe three uh but then you know we just try our best to get in just based on like Reddit stories or thing Google searches and stuff so and how was growth during that time was it exponential like you guys just started going really fast or was it still pretty linear so we got like our initial buzz off of the explore content or whatever but I think it was in combination with us moving into like a Content house that we called the trap house uh not good for brand not a good brand there all right um but it was 2017 so we were like 20 years old um and yeah we moved in with a bunch of like other YouTubers and um this guy named Elton who was like a part of a David's group at the time the Vlog Squad oh yeah yeah and so we would be featured on his channel a lot and at the time correct me if I'm wrong I think they had more subscribers than us TF or at least got more views but it was like we had I think it was at least between five or six different channels and we were all swapping views we were all like collabing on each other's channels they would come explore with us we'd come do you know their stuff and so this big collab house really helped and then also we were we were in a much smaller Niche than we had ever been before like when you compete with everybody else that's doing challenges or you know mainstream type of videos that's one thing but like you said maybe exploring with Josh and two or three other people were exploring and so when we the only one of the only people that are doing it it's easier to rise and we also figured out like how to make ourselves stand out a little bit more than the other people in the exploring Niche like for example Josh um and I would tell this to his face like he knows this of course but he's very like documentary filming with his explorations like he'll start the video inside the place and like it's very slow paced and very informational based um Sam he was focused more on branding and not getting arrested we didn't care about that we we focused on showing the adventure of like running from the cops and like sneaking in and stuff like that so we were both doing the same sort of Niche but we showed more of the adventure I think that's why like we kind of paved our own lane how did you get arrested uh it was in Florida Tampa Florida yeah it's just a horrible Yeah so basically there was um an abandoned school and it was under construction um and it was in the middle of a neighborhood and we should have looked this up before we had a team or anything um but apparently in the State of Florida trespassing on a construction site is a felony it's like a federal crime we had no idea and so we hopped a fence where all the signs neighborhood too probably 50 people watching us do this and so when we hopped in immediately apparently someone just called we talked about it before too like before we even like we were with two other guys as well um and we were all just like is this a good idea like there were signs everywhere being like you will be arrested if you do this and did you not believe the signs we believed it makes for cont we've been seeing that sign for 3 years mind you like cuz we hop every fence that says you're going to be arrested and we never arrested so and we had ran from multiple cops like in the past with that so we were like oh like how do you run from cops do they not just like pursue you I feel like you can't out run this is like a muscle that when you practice it you get better like you just get like faster faster running better at hiding better at getting around people like I mean think about it the cop doesn't want to go inside the abana place they don't know who we are they don't know what we have in our backpack so they wait outside we know the abandoned spot and so we'll sneak our way around get out the back call a car whatever we had to do to get around okay so it's not like a like a you know on foot chase if cop is like running right behind us we'd probably give up but we would get around I'm saying you're not going to physically like run from the if they're like be right behind security guards security guards we've done that so in this case though how is this one different this was different because we we did exactly what you said um we were looking out the windows we saw like not just one or two cops like show up it was like 10 for some reason cuz it was the a federal crime or whatever um and so we all hid in a Janitor's Closet we were just like if we just wait here for two hours we're going to be good they'll leave but then they got on their loudspeaker and was like we know you're in there you have we know you're in there you have two minutes before we send in the dogs oh and we were like oh [ __ ] no we're like we cannot do dogs like that's going to kill us dog that is the line like as soon as they said dogs like stuck our hands out the window like sorry yeah so as soon as they said dogs we were just like all right you got us but usually what happened in the past is you know we had we have little baby faces especially when we were this 20 years old uh and so we were like okay they're going to be fine like usually we go up to them we apologize and say hey we're just taking pictures we didn't break anything you can see our footage we didn't we didn't break anything to get in we we'll leave and especially when we say we're from California like we're not going to come back to Florida they're usually fine nah these guys were just complete [ __ ] about it and to you know to be fair they're just going to make a lesson out of us but they basically were like I don't want to hear anything just shut up don't say anything get the back of the cop car arrested immediately they didn't hear us out they didn't hear anything what was that process like of like being handcuffed and go like what was going through your mind well it was interesting cuz we were um all taken to different corners of the block so that we when they all asked us like why were you guys in there we couldn't you know come up with all different stories um you might have had the sheriff who was the dick I had the wor one he was an [ __ ] I had a deputy who was actually very nice to me and was just kind of like oh like I'm only doing this because like Paul over good cop bad cop though like oh yeah it's not a big deal but just tell me what happened man let's get this over your guy was like no we got to yeah seems like it's a tactic and they all like left off pretty quickly to the jail and I sat around for like 30 minutes and then then my guy got a second call so I went to go to another crime scene they got another guy arrested who was definitely on some crazy drugs and I was sitting in the back of the cop car you know hands behind my back with this other guy and this guy's ring around without screaming I didn't know they they mingle like different like people so too I was like what I have to be chill next to Shared Uber you know dud yeah definitely yeah a crazy crazy Experience car pooling yeah car pooling so what happens when you get to the jail like do the stories match I assume it's just like kind of I mean I got to the jail like probably an hour before you did I was chilling with this dude for an hour it was scary but we got thrown in there it was bad and you know take the good old mug shots and you sit around in this like open area it's like or the holding area before you get UNH handcuffed get your orange jumpsuit all the classic stuff they tried to take like all my piercings out but it like didn't work like they couldn't even take this one out couldn't figure it out um and then they called you up for bail and so they called me up you know they're like hey your baal's 2K you going to pay it I like sure paid it so they're okay you're going to be released sometime today we'll give you a call they have Colby come up and say okay you're going to pay your bail he like sure it was 6K but the limit in order to pay by a credit card was $5,000 so or just to bail yourself out jail to bail yourself out in jail so he couldn't bail himself out in jail so he had to either call someone or I had to go out of the jail to bail him what was the difference so we both got trespassed charges but then I also had two fake ID charges and which is so stupid cuz I was 22 at the time so I had a fake IDs in my wallet just like to get in the clubs when I was like 20 or whatever for an entire year that I just forgot were in like the back of my wallet and so they were like when they were like searching me they were just like cool Brock like what is this and I was like do fake idas and those are felonies so he had three felonies on his name so I had the yeah $6,000 bail he had 2,000 so how do you get out of that what what ended up happening well he got to go home and I got brought to the back and I had to sleep overnight with the guy that he got my guy so the guy that I was arrested with his guy yeah we got paired in the same room and so like I strategically like so there's one bunk like a sink a toilet that's it it's very tiny uh room and like I strategically took like the bottom bunk so I could kind of like watch what was going on um and he was just like like not to be meane but like a schizophrenic maybe had Tourette sort of dude where he'd just like every 30 minutes like be like like I I was like trying to sleep and Stu like horrifying it's a little scary are they restrained in there because I'm always curious if you're in with other people who are maybe a bit unhinged or maybe not mentally there that maybe they should be restrained so that they can't just come up and like strangle you at night so each like pod had a different sort of a I don't know like what people could go in there or whatever uh what type of people I guess and so the initial pod where I like spent the night everybody was pretty cool everybody was like besides the guy that was freaking out with me he didn't do anything violent he was just like definitely like mentally challenged or something I don't know um but then the next day I got my name called I thought it was Sam that was going to bail me out um but they were just like cob brck you got to go to a felon pod because you have three felons and so that pod that I got brought into was like where like murderers and things like that like again this was jail and not prison though yeah did you did you tell them what your other like a roommate was in for yeah so uh just uh rewind a little bit like the deputy took me to this like felon pod and he was just like dude you don't even look like you're supposed to be in here and I was like I know I trespassed I'm not and he was just like I was like do you have any advice for me and he was just like just go to your your cell like your buddy should be able to bail you out in like the next you know four or five hours just lay low you'll be fine and so I went and grabbed like a random book they had like books out like the main like section of the it was called and I went to my cell my guy wasn't in there and I just like sat there for an hour heard the door jiggle and I was like oh God this is when I die this is when I'm going to meet this like cellmate this guy walks in he's like a like a bigger dude like bald head but tatted all over like completely head to toe looks super mean um and he was just like what are you in for man I was like trespassing he was like oh I was smuggling Like Cocaine across the entire country and I was like nice man that's [ __ ] sick dude and then we just sparked up a conversation and he was super cool like he was like obviously I'm not like saying criminals are cool or whatever but like he was just a normal ass dude and like once I explained like what I did online and stuff he was just like oh my God like that's awesome why don't you come out to the Pod and like meet all my friends and I was like I don't know man like Deputy told me to stay here and he was like just come on and so he brought me out to like the main pod and I met every everybody and now what do you mean his friends like how long is he in there for to make friends um well he was in there for months um because if nobody's there to bail you out you have tot date till your court date yeah so his court date was scheduled for sometime the next year I foret forget um and so he was in there for months already and he said he had a group of friends that's all I'm going to say um and he was just like trust me we'll take you under our wing like nothing's going to happen to you and so like they were just like he like literally shouted like as he brought me out he was like everybody come meet the YouTube kid I was like oh God no this is when to die U but they were super nice and what were they in for shoot I didn't I didn't ask like everybody CU obvious y why are you here why are you here what did you do I don't know if you want to ask a that afraid I was afraid to ask I don't think you do well in prison maybe not you're a little too cute for prison ja come on that's horrifying it was scary did you learn anything from that whole experience I feel like that'd be kind of humanizing towards people in jail like felons definitely I mean um the biggest thing I learned and again this is it's going to sound bad but I'm just saying what I experienced is that like even though these people were arrested and could possibly go to prison for years or life who knows um they were all still normal people They were all still like shooting the [ __ ] just like anybody else would you know it's like it's people think that somebody that's committed one crime is just an evil person person for life which of course it depends on the crime I'm not defending like all criminals or whatever but at the same time it's like it's normal people in there so I just realized like we were just you know it was kids like my age that did worse crimes than me and we were just like playing basketball together and like shooting the [ __ ] talking about social media did like you smaller stuff like there was this guy that was sitting next to you for a couple hours and he was like dude I've been in here for months and all I got was I was smoking weed I'm like dude come on it's p bail now it's like yeah some or guess in situ how much was baale for smoking weed I don't know shoot imagine that like I'm just saying it's like time spent you know in jail and not working would be way higher than the bail that he could post and go out and live his life yeah exactly exactly but I was only there for like five hours before were people not like sad about being in there because it seems like people are just like we were sad I would imagine if someone's locked away for a few months that they would be maybe depressed or feeling really down hard to be social that's what you would think but I mean obviously everybody's has their own situation sometimes jail in prison for some people is like a a home for them because that's all they know so it really depends on on the person I guess I know the guy my cellmate um was really upset because he was um dating this girl who was his fiance and they were supposed to get married and his like marriage date was while he was in jail waiting for court and she couldn't bail him out and so like they had to like postpone all that so again just depends on the person got it what ended up happening to those charges uh we ended up getting them dropped yeah they were dropped okay yeah but what was really cool is that arrest when we left so Kobe didn't even know this but I got out probably after 12 hours he got after about 24 hours yeah um when we left in the middle of the night ashree Sam and kobby was trending worldwide number one and we had never had that type of notoriety ever and so we're like oh my God and then so as soon as he got out too we posted like our mug shots which was not a good idea we shouldn't have done that really but like we posted our mug shots and those went like viral everyone was talking about it was probably the biggest Spotlight we'd ever been on that wasn't just like the K best friend prank uh and then our next video like coming back to YouTube we were averaging probably like 500k views at this point 500 to 700k on the explore videos on the exploring videos and then we did the next video after that probably five million in a month so it's literally like overnight we like 10x our Channel just from this one arrest and it was you know don't get arrested but this PR stunt of an arrest was probably the biggest thing that's ever happened to our why do you regret posting your mug shot it seemed like there was nothing but positive it was you know something you guys did a long time ago lawyer people saying like don't be proud of it because it'll be harder for us to get you out of the charges yeah it was during the time because it doesn't show that you're probably as remorseful as you should be and taking it seriously and it's a bit of a you know cuz we were still light of it yeah possibly going to go to court and stuff in like us being like hey on social media what would have been the worst case scenario had they like had the charges not been dropped like what was the maximum for that something like that like could it be like theoretically like years in jail insane I think like a felon in charge is like we could do 10 years you know like for a Fel in charge even if it is a trespassing thing so but but no one really pays attention to the maximum CU they knew like what we did was not a maximum felony you know right but it could have been crazy I'm just very glad we got out of it and then it turned out so well and that did become a pivotal moment in our content as well we stopped breaking into places cuz we can't get arrested a second time so we started renting out places and that's when we actually switched over to haunted and that basically start started this whole career whose idea was it to do haunted how do you pivot from abandoned to haunt like I wouldn't think of that I would I know I would just go like we now get permission from the property owner and we maybe bring some exposure yeah well I mean so we were doing the explore for like two years before we got arrested or so um and there was just multiple times that we would encounter creepy situations doing the explore videos and so we kind of like naturally ran into the haunted aspect because if you're in like a scary ass place at 3:00 a.m. anyways that's abandon of course when you hear a noise it's going to be like what's that or whatever and a lot of abandoned locations have haunted lore to it that was part of our videos uh towards the end it was like every third video was like a haunted Aon place and so part of the first aspect of of filming was all right tell the story tell them why it's creepy and we're going to go at this specific time because the haunted lore and so like we kind of dabbled in the scary stuff before that but then after we're like okay full-fledged and haunted because we don't really have the option to do the a band videos what I don't understand is you guys seemingly like encountered a lot of adversity and failed several times like the vine thing that got canceled the sand pepper thing a lot of people would see that and be like this is cruel I don't want to watch these guys I'm over it I'm not a fan anymore that happened you guys get arrested which is just objectively not a good thing but somehow that turns into another pivotal moment in your career where it just like it's a whole different level that it puts you guys at why do you think all of these bad things keep happening and they're just like consistently good for the career like how have you how do you do you intentionally use those as like catapults um we did in the past I'm not gonna lie why did it work with you that's a great question I think Vine didn't works the the whole following fat people thing like that was our first viral video ever so we had like less than 2,000 followers before we posted that and everybody hated 200 less than 200 everybody hated us after we posted that and so like it didn't really work at first but we took all that like notoriety and we changed our image slowly and like it was just a PR stunt a lot of these were PR stunts and it took a while for people to get gain respect back especially after the falling fat people especially after the killing best friend pranking it's probably six months before people were like okay I see they're good guys for the arrest I think it's intention people have been watching us go in and out of abandoned places for three years at that point were not breaking anything we're not destroying anything we're doing it because it's fun and we get get out we're not trying to hurt anybody yeah and so when we got arrested for doing the exact same thing we were doing for three years people realized oh they're not bad people they're just like doing this to have fun and then they got caught doing it it wasn't like we were out there selling drugs or doing something horrible we were like we walked into a building and then walked out yeah do you feel like if those sorts of things happened nowadays that it could be responded to differently I feel like these days people don't see Nuance they don't allow Nuance to happen in a situation they just want to see it see what everyone else is calling it and then like kind of just jump off yeah I think timing for us was everything I really really fully believe if we posted following fat PE or like killing best prank maybe killing best friend prank would be different but especially following fat people like now with Tik Tok and everything people would just be like oh that's crazy and then just move on you know so you think people are kind of desensitized to it like it's got to be even more extreme today to Garner that sort of negativity CU think about how much you see on or maybe I'm personally speaking here but just scrolling Tik Tok the crazy stuff that you see every single day but when we did that nobody was doing it and so it was just like everybody was talking about us specifically doing that but there's just so much content now it's so saturated that I just don't think it's as easy to blow up what was the first paranormal video you did it was so it was right after the arrest we went to builtmore right yeah builtmore hotel builtmore hotel how you find that okay again back back to just our research days but before then we were like didn't have really suggestions for the haunted so we went back to just you know researching Los Angeles places and just going oh what's the scariest place to go to and at that point when we first started didn't really like necessarily believe all that much no very skeptical like we had like one or two like experiences we were interested in it but we were like okay most of this stuff is probably hoo-ha whatever uh and then so when we went in there a lot of stuff started happening and we were actually like so excited you could see it on camera like wa what there's so much happening we were with our other roommates and this is such a fun time we're like oh we can not only like have a the same old fun time that we have been with the abandon videos but also have this completely new experience we've never had before all that captured with the storytelling and we really really changed our editing style all came in become a whole different what happened there like why was it haunted and what was your experience it's hard to say cuz this was years and years and years ago but I do remember a story of the black doia was that the black doia like died at the bmore hotel she died in like an alley nearby the builtmore hotel and like was found with like cuts on her face that looked like a smile or something like that and but nobody knew how she died that was like the biggest mystery but there was tons of murders and just deaths in that hotel in general um there's a lot of cool things that happened in the first like eight weeks of like haunted like we also didn't research that much when we first started like we had zero equipment we kind of just went in there like us four like us two and our roommates and with a camera and just kind of like asked around and like heard some stories from like the employees and that was it like it's not like what you see us doing now yeah the difference between our first like invest ation and then what we're doing now is night and day I mean we were just honestly just screwing around having a good time so what was the moment that made you think hey wait a second this could be real is there something that really stands out Queen Mary there's been a bunch the Queen Mary eff heard is very haunted yeah the Queen Mary was before we started the haunted stuff that was probably actually that was probably our first haunted video but that was before the haunted era it's probably like six months before we fully fledged into haunted and that was definitely the first time we truly believed yeah um we rented out this room called b340 U it's bottom of the ship the Queen Mary allegedly had closed this room off for 30 years didn't let anybody stay in it because of weird deaths you know people taking their own life all those crazy things and then they reopened it um randomly and we got someone sent it over and they're like dude they reopened this after 30 years because it's so haunted I know you guys do exploring videos but you guys should try it out so the first first week it opened we went in um all night we're trying things we're trying to like hear stuff we were genuinely like really interested because we don't we didn't do too many haunted videos and we didn't really believe so we're like let's actually figure this out nothing happened and this is probably eight hours of just waiting around trying to get something to happen and then we decided okay well I guess it didn't work so we turned off our cameras uh we walk we're about to leave and then one of our MS was like okay how about we just try off camera just by ourselves I know it's like 4 a.m. but like let's just try and when we turned off our cameras and sat there and really really focused that's when we started hearing everything mhm uh like we just sat there like all right give us a sign like this our last shot cameras are off whatever this is purely just for our intention water faucet full full on turns on like 15t away we jump up run over to the bathroom to go see it and you know it's still ripping wet and we're like what that was like a crazy sign that was before we even asked actually so it's like we we were packing up all of our bags we were just like all right this place isn't haunted it's like 3:00 a.m. and like as soon as we turn off the camera and just like we're about to walk in the hallway that's when the water faucet turned on and so like we turned it on immediately and we were just like what you can see like like everybody's basically like in tears and you can see the water still dripping and that's like what prompted us to be like okay wait this only happened off camera let's turn off the camera camera and then ask like questions in a very serious setting yeah and then so then it started getting really real like people can probably say water water Frost and an old uh ship maybe it turns on that's fine sure but then we started asking specific signs and we got this knocking to happen and so when we would ask like hey can you give us a sign immediately after every single time we'd hear knock and it would happen beneath our feet on the ceiling out side on a window right next to us wherever it was all over the place but we then we decided to just have a conversation with thing and for 35 minutes the five of us sat alone and asked questions and got a response every single time to every single type of question and we try to trick it we'd ask you know you know is there one of you no okay is there multiple of you yes and we we get like confirming answers multiple times over a 35 minute course with every single question we ever asked getting an answer one knock being yes multiple knocks being no so it was do you think there's any chance that someone is in a nearby room or you know two people just kind of messing with you do you think that's a possibility we were so skeptical that and keep in mind this is like 3:30 4:00 a.m. that we and again it was like a what a 45 minute conversation something like that at least I don't know something like that yeah 35 to 45 yeah something like that but um it was the the thing that like freaked us out the most is it was everywhere so it's like if there was somebody there would have to be like at least 10 to 15 people all around the room just like knocking but like and we decided to like okay let's talk under a breath so we would like be lower than a whisper and ask questions and then the knock would still happen loud as can be and there was one time when we were like you know like do like do you want us like this our last qu this is our last question unless you want us to stay and the entire ground shook it's like boom it was like huge it was almost like a massive bookcase or something fell over and you could you can really hear us like on cam like which was cool because we didn't know we were being filmed or anything like that but one of our roommates recorded this audio and so we have the audio of the conversation and every single knock recorded and so you can like watch it back of our entire experience you would think how did a ghost would know hypothetically that like if something's recording or something not exactly I mean it's hard to say but like obviously we didn't have the camera at this point um we were just like Sam and I and one of our other roommates thought we were just solely doing this like off camera like in the dark or whatever but one of our friends just like slowly grabbed his phone and just like audio recorded and so I don't know if like the ghost didn't see that or whatever but we got everything so did this turn you into a Believer cuz I know you've always been a little bit more of a Believer than Sam has definitely so this convinced you yeah no I I was con Ved especially because um towards the end um our roommates were like asking more like spiritual Rel like semi-religious questions um and like it got into questions about like heaven and hell and I remember a specific question uh one of our roommates asked was like is hell real or is heaven real and it said no and then we immediately ran away and everybody was just like oh that was like a demon we were talking to like they were trying to like steer us away from God and so for me I've always been Christian like born and raised Christian um and so like that was just kind of a solidifier and what did it do for you um that completely changed my life yeah I had not believed in anything before that uh I wasn't religious at all I was open to the idea I wanted it to be real more than anything uh but I never really had anything to convince me otherwise and so after that there's literally a video of me like fully breaking down on camera like on my bedroom floor being like I've I've never believed in anything and this truly convinced me I had my family come out and I I talk to them all about this experience how much have changed my life everything uh and that's honestly what really got me into wanting to do this paranormal stuff just because that was probably even though it was kind of negative the things that we were hearing from this thing whatever we were talking to it gave me more of a sense of hope than I ever had before cuz I never really believed in anything and so this whole journey this whole process of us doing Paran normal ghost huning of course great for business it's really really cool with the videos but I think people can tell that we're generally interested in this genuinely interested in this because of how much it affected me and you and just our religious beliefs like we want this to be real more than anything so like why do you want it to be real because I don't want to believe that when we die it's black because that is not very hopeful and so when I hear these things or see these things that make me believe that there might be something more it gives me hope but isn't that kind of what religion is just in a sense yeah I am unable to just take the words of a book and say that that is real I'm like everyone else is some of proof proof I need proof and I want proof and I know that's so sad it's never perfect proof that's the thing that just is really hard for me to like accept you know with all this information it's never something that you can visually see you know what I mean or it's like like a voice it's always knocks or it's always like a curtain moving or a faucet turning on or a door shutting or something like that well how do you explain some of uh some of these things where they test for people who can they're they're in the hospital room and they're being operated on and then they could repeat back to the doctor exactly what they did or they listened to the doctor and they heard certain things and they saw what they were doing even though this person was like dead or I've also heard stories of um kids being spoken to and recall past life experiences in such vivid detail and these kids never would have experienced that or oh there's one kid I think who knew a language that like didn't exist for like a thousand years and could speak it fluently and it took like some doctor at some college to uncover like wait he's speaking this language that that just there's no textbook out there that really goes into this right so like some of these things I feel like are pretty def not 100% but like really out there I think humans naturally have some desire to be spiritual or to believe in spirits in some capacity and I think it's the same justification for religion which I think has been the best justification I've ever heard in my entire life and I've explained this to you before but it's if God were to just present himself and stop all of these catastrophes from happening let's say like a war like a kid getting you know I don't know injured or something like that like if a God just came in and stopped that every single time then it would show that God is real and it wouldn't be Faith anymore it would just be a fact it would just be what is but I think that there needs to be this component component of faith and spirituality in every single human I think it's just a part of existence is to believe in something that's Supernatural something that's meta and not like physically real in the same way that if these Spirits were to just show up and be like oh by the way we're just here how's it going nice to see you like you know I died 100 years ago but I'm just saying hello like it would not be Faith anymore for sure it would just be a matter of fact no you hit that like right on the nose I feel like if we all have the answer ansers then like we'd be like well why are we here I was going to say we talked about this a lot recently we had a very very intense experience this year as well that talked a lot about these Concepts but I think if you have proof then our human life doesn't matter anymore but if you only have faith if you only are believing then that doubt forces you to act a certain way but if you know 1,000% you're going to heaven no matter what and it's perfect there's no pain what's the what's the point what's what why don't you you know I don't know why don't you jump in front of a boss or something like that and it's like hey start over again exactly but having that Faith or having that one% doubt um that Faith really is makes you be like well I don't want to because what if it is all black because that that that fear of the the Blackness and the fear that it's this is your one shot makes you value your time a human so much more what do you think happens when you die well My Views have changed a lot this year um it's it's a huge roller coaster but what I want to believe is that we our souls go somewhere else that we still have at least a memory of what this is I don't necessarily believe in reincarnation but I do hope that that there is a way that we are reunited with our loved ones at one point I don't know if that's heaven or if what God is up there but I believe that now what do you believe I believe in something more obviously I'm born and raised Christians so I tend to stick with like what the Bible says um but I'm very Loosely Christian as well sure so like I believe it's more of a relationship rather than a religion um but it's just like I this is going to sound crazy and I know some people like listening or maybe you guys like understand what I'm talking about but like almost just like know there's something more like I can almost yeah or like when I talk to to God or the universe or whoever like you think whatever like I can feel like I'm being heard and like I went through some crazy [ __ ] [ __ ] this year as well and I know that like something greater was like helping me through it I tend to believe the same thing I think there's something bigger out there I personally believe in reincarnation yeah I like the idea that if something happens that you would be able to come back as something else and maybe live a different experience I really like that I think it can all coincide too like this is getting like super meta and deep but like I think what if what if there's a possibility that you can reincarnate so many times until your soul reaches like a certain level to where you move on to Heaven I love that something like that you know it can all coincide I think it could be infinite I mean the number of lives that you could live throughout all of history I think is is we can't even comprehend how many experiences that could be or here's here's a weird thought so there's this like video that describes this way better than I'm about to it's called the egg in a nutshell but what if we are all the same person and we just don't remember each other's lives what if I am Sam and I live this life but I don't just I just never remember me being Graham but we are the same soul and all these humans are now you know working together how is that different from the Matrix where someone is just plugged in and all the experiences are just in their head maybe it's not you know or maybe this is all just like a simulation I've heard about the Theory it might have been you that said it to me I definitely we ever have any like religious talk we definitely talked about the egg it's my favorite video of all time highly recommend that was definitely you then so that's my my subconscious thought unfortunately I'll just be the one to say it is that it's just Blackness and I've died in dreams before like several times and not like Dam which is a weird feeling obviously I've died in dreams too it's terrifying it's a weird like it to me it felt like a roller coaster like you know that drop kind of like that's how that's how I felt when I was dying in a dream and I wake up I hated it okay I've had that experience when I I that was a long that was a bloody mary dream remember when we were all scared of bloody mary yeah I got killed by Bloody Mary when I was like 12 and I fell out of the bed oh God yeah and when right when I got by Bloody Mary I felt the impact and I woke up and I was on the floor so it was me falling on the floor then my dream compensated for that with some mental proje but in the other dreams most of the recent dreams when I when I die um it's weird I get please comment if you've experienced this too everything just kind of goes like a deep red darker color like a dark and deep red color and you feel warmth you feel after you die in a dream every time I've ever died I wake up no no so so it I wake up but shortly after I feel this feeling so like one of them a plane crash another one was there was a nuke that just hit the city I D I've had those dreams too yeah top of the hill watching that's could me too I was on top of the hill I was I was at my parents house I hope that's not we're not foreshadowing I was looking over the horizon and then just coming from the sky just and I look and I'm just by myself no one's around me I'm just like is this really all that it is and then just hits the ground and and I just vaporized everything goes like a deep darked I sound like such a woooo right now but like and then I feel warmth all over my body I just feel like warm and red and then three seconds later I just wake up I'm like that was mortifying that was horrible I hat feel so real that I'm worried that I just see into the future cuz sometimes I've had Deja Vu where I'm like this has happened before where did this happen and be like well I think this was in a dream I think I had dreamt this and now it's happening so are my dreams maybe things that have happened or that might happen I freak out over that sometimes I even woken up and for the first like 20 seconds it feels like I have it all figured out like I'm just like I saw some [ __ ] I should never have seen and I like I know everything it's like everything makes sense and then as soon as I think about something else where I'm like I want to write this down or I want to take a note and just the thought of like where's my phone forget it instantly right I don't know if you've ever had that before interesting definitely instantly forgetting I've never died of my dreams before really I feel like it's a common thing I've like had following dreams where like you can Feel the Rush of actual died in your dreams I don't think so I always wake up before I hit the ground I die like a couple times a year there must be some psychology mine is probably once every other year maybe once a year wow wow or there's like something that happens and tell between us that I fear death more than you do if you never thought never think about it and I think about all the time yeah but all of mine are in different ways it's I've never had a dream where I've died in the same way it's all different that so weird yeah when when I used to not believe in an afterlife the main like thought process that went through that as someone once said like it's so funny this is their argument not mine but it's so funny that humans are so selfish that they think they're important enough to go on and like have all these other lives and all this afterlife and stuff why don't you just think that you're just an organism and then you die just Cosmic dust yeah like why not and everything come back technically like I I don't I don't have any doubt that like if spider dies I do I I think everything is alive so like I mean obviously like you know something like an ant I think if you kill an ant I think the ant has a soul just like anything else yeah why never kill insects energy like scientifically cannot be destroyed it can only be like transformed to other things and so like obviously when our souls if you consider a soul being energy like there's actually Tess I don't know what it's called so like don't quote me on this but like I think there's a little bit of weight from your body that gets removed me they've measured the soul so there is a certainly a soul that everybody has and if energy can't die then it has to go somewhere yeah it's one of the reasons I can never kill insects ever it's just like that one little ant I'll find it and take it outside because I'm thinking what if that is someone I knew in a past life or like so I know it sounds crazy sounds crazy but like you have to call Jack come over but I see that's a life why would I take a life when I could just for 10 seconds Take It Outside that's true and it cost me nothing to do that and just 10 seconds that's really nice hit the like button for that the subscri Subscribe we got to get back to what you guys are doing right now okay wait I I want to know this because this is this ties into exactly what you're gonna say how do you test for ghosts test for them like all the equipment all the equip I've seen you you come up with so many things for like uh the infrared cameras some of the clicky things some of the things you sit down EMF meters what is like what's the most common how do you learn how to do this how does it test what does it show you that's a great question we've been you know we started at nothing and then it's a bunch of equipment a bunch of different tests theories experiments everything and and what we try to do is we try to not just stick to like the main cliche like ghost equipment but there are like so the main thing is just ghost equipment most of them tests for either motion sound like movements or EMF energy electromagnetic frequencies uh said that anything in any object any water carries a little bit of electromagnetic frequency so when things change in an environment that should not have to change that's where you can detect something different but like we like to use our own senses and different you know experiments and tests for things are easier seen and easier believed by people that you know maybe think ghost equipment would be rigged so we use one of our favorite things is like these flashlights we have a flashlight that turns on and turns off uh just by twisting it we'll set it down and ask the spirits to turn the flashlight on and then turn it back off and and it will in front of our eyes and it's just like absolutely or we'll have like cat toys like toys that are designed for pets and when you hit hit it or when something like actively like you know makes it move it'll light up we'll just put those around and so if things like we outside of the room and we're like hey go touch that little cat toy and it turns on that way we kind of understand that it's not a piece of a ghost equipment piece of ghost equipment that maybe someone developed you know specifically for this or entertainment purposes we try to use everyday objects as well yeah yeah the best um thing that we use the fan favorite is something called the Estus method where we basically like get rid of all of our senses um where we have like noise cancelling headphones on we have blindfolds and so basically the person wearing the headphones can only hear like a radio station just flipping through like AM radio super quickly so it sounds like like going through channels and then every once in a while like on a certain like radio show you'll hear just like a word like pop through and you just say the word that you hear but then the people that are outside of the person with the headphones will ask questions so being like if say like outside it's like is anybody here and I'm just like listening to these radio I could be like over there or like my name is spa or whatever it's like whatever I hear I just blurt out and most of the time it doesn't work and that probably just means nothing's there but when the consistencies happen over and over and over and over again for a span of 30 minutes and it's just perfect communication that's when people maybe were saying oh might think that's what people don't understand about our videos is that we film for hours and hours and hours and then we just put kind of like the highlight reel yeah all together in one hour and so like we might be doing the Estus method for 2 hours but only include like 10 minutes of it and include all like the best stuff that we got um but yeah usually you just like hear static and nothing how hard is it for people just to trust you not to hear the questions and that you're not just blurting out words in response to that um I think people trust us because first of all like we've always been genuine about everything that we do um with the haunted side of like YouTube but also we have guests that come with us every single week or every single month I guess um where like we have them do it too and so it's like if you don't believe us they're doing like we make them do it and the same thing happens to them and it still works out perfectly so it's like if you don't believe us do you believe them you have the recordings of the audio going through your headset so people hear what it sounds like on your end no that would be incredible that's what I was kind of thinking um because I watched you do that in The Conjuring house and you you know you like I think you mention like don't or leave or something like this and I was kind of thinking it would be interesting to hear what you're hearing and like sh don't leave like you know in time I think that would be pretty interesting that is a really good idea yeah we should do that we've never done that well credit you yeah please help us get to a million subscribers that's all you have to do that's all we want to do oh that that was good so what else do you do in addition to that do you find that some of the traditional ghost equipment is not as accurate or do you feel like it's a little too like hypy or like why not use the EMF right that's the clicking yeah so the EMF is just like the meter it doesn't make any noise all it does is just like light up like for example if we were to put it up against these lights it would probably go off like crazy or like next to an outlet but if it were to go off like where there was no like wires or any technology or whatever around that's when it's something considered like Paranormal that is the most like the cheapest ghost equipment you can get and it's just like the most can buy EMF detectors at Home Depot too yeah the ones that we get are they look different but yeah like it's a normal thing as well yeah but what's interesting is like um again we've been doing this for now like four or five years since we got arrested or whatever um and just recently love always we got arrested like turning after we got arrested for for us it's weird okay I'm backtracking a little bit but like our life like has I say life that's we live like the same life pretty much our life together married couple pretty much it's like has been chapters and so like we usually say like after the arrest is like our big like chapter or whatever of haunted but like we've met so many people this past six months even who say guys do not use any equipment whatsoever just be open to it like that's all you we started at the Queen Mary when we had our biggest experience ever it was literally just us asking out you know really focusing in and some of those have been the crazy exper craziest experiences and again I think the the main thing is just trying to believe like being open-minded to it it and really being like there could be something here let me try to talk to it if there's anybody in the room that doesn't have like that same sort of mindset it might not work what do you think is the most haunted place in the world Conjuring house The Conjuring house yeah we spent a week there this last year and it completely changed our lives MH and I mean we've been there now three four times three times yeah three times three times Well four times because we came back that we came back and every single time it is by far the craziest experience uh every time so tell me to not say this if I can't say it but something that happened after you guys came back was Sam reached out to me and he was like yo you have to come over cuz we're just doing like a very close little watch party of this footage because it's that insane we're not filming anything we're just looking at it because it makes absolutely no sense and to me I was like wow like this seems like a whole different level it's like not for Content it no uh no being like super emotional is just like literally just come over and watch this footage with us to see it's like real so I come over bring a couple of friends and then you bring me Jack 10 of us I think you were like out of town or something I definely yeah a couple friends I see how it anyway we we come over we watch this footage and uh it it like blew my mind that you were throwing on this like tiny little close event not for content and I watched the footage and then Sam you obviously too like you guys are like freaking out over this for cont if anyone's watching this is like Cody sator method in The Conjuring house yes yeah and then also like I remember like a week or so later like you asked me to go to dinner with you and we just talk about it through dinner and we hang out we talk about it it was like like that for me was the point where I actually kind of started believing it because I've been historically extremely just skeptical stuff like this but the fact that it can make this much of a transformation on somebody's life especially when there was no motivation for him to want me to believe it it was just coming from a very personal experience when you're explaining it to me it's like then it completely changed what was the real story behind The Conjuring I know you've said this before but for people who haven't seen it what's the true story for people who have maybe seen the movie I know it's not exactly one to one not at all yeah it's completely different than the movie but like there was just generations of families that lived at this place called the old Arnold estate I think it was deeded in like the 1800s some time I believe yeah and basically it was on the ground of one of the bloodiest I think the bloodiest War per capita United States so tons of people died there the land was just said because of that to whole a lot of trauma there wasn't like in the movies there's like this witch that curses everybody and attacks everything whatever that's not necessarily true right but yeah there's so many people that died there generations and generations of people that died there and then the paren family uh exorcism yes well it was like a seance it was a seance pretty they they call it the exorcism but like was pretty much a seance it was in the 1970s if you've seen the conre movies the paren family is very prominent in that and um what really made it famous is there were these paping Ghost Hunters back in the day or their demonologists uh named edin the rain Warren and so they came to the Rhode Island house to investigate it on Halloween night did this Seance where Carolyn parin was who was the mom and it was like a family of like five right five or so people um levitated and like got flung across the room and was speaking tongues and stuff like that yeah basically she was possessed by something um we got the opportunity to uh interview Andrea Andrea parin and she thinks that whatever medium was controlling the situation brought in something evil trying to figure out why it was haunted like opened up some sort of portal and that's like what possessed her her mother um but there's a bunch of different theories of like Dark Energy could be there and what we found out not to spill the beans is that like it's actually not a super super dark energy at all um in the house itself there's a trickster in the basement who likes to play games on people um but it really is like less evil than everybody makes it out to be so it's not a dangerous house you feel it's just incredibly active and and um I think the trickster could be dangerous if you got on his bad side there is weird there is a weird weird Point uh in one of our videos that whatever was in the basement was telling us over and over and over again to come out to the woods alone uh and wouldn't tell us why and we asked all the staff and the owners and stuff and they said yeah they tell us that all the time but we are too afraid to actually go out into the woods alone at night and we haven't tested how do they tell you to go out in the woods alone so that's kind of backing up again did you see the conjuring stuff so you know the the Cod and sator Method like the knocking so we basic had them go downstairs context for the people that haven't seen it we met this couple that when they touch each other in any sense so bad touch each other's hands would touch each other's hands or in any way really any contact in any way um it opens up some sort of like spiritual connection where you just hear knocking coming from everywhere kind of like the Queen Mary experience it basically opens up whatever we had happened to us at the Queen Mary except on command immediately it's again to what Jack was saying it's something we've never seen before we freaked out when we first saw it we flew home we told friends like this is something we've never seen before and it was like like if it were happening in this room like you could hear it coming from the door walking over it wasn't like in one spot that's the part that's weird is as directional sound yeaha I heard some of the theories on that that they said maybe it was their ankle like cracking and they could crack that on command or maybe they had like a little thing in their toe that they just would like press some put some pressure on there was something that would knock right and we we saw all of that as well made video talk to debunk them and as as we know we debunk it but we also th% prove like this is real I don't see how it can be popping joints and that's just something that people are going to have to take my word for because you could hear it everywhere yeah it's like footsteps walking into a room coming closer louder you can feel it on your feet and it could happen in different areas as well didn't you test this you tested this outside we tested outside different parks on test without shoes yes yes um and we're hopefully going to be able to like put out a video about that sometime in the future we talked to Cod story a lot about all these different things because it's very controversial you did all of these debunking methods yes and nothing and nothing convinced us that it was fake couldn't figure it out and so for those also for context you would go through the alphabet and then a knock would happen at a certain letter and then when you combine all these letters together you can create words and sentences and that's how you were talking with the spirits or whatever is it existing not physical once for yes twice for no and then we go through the alphabet to spell words so we would end up having like hourlong conversations with full sentences and people describing our lives and different things that happened to them or loved ones coming through which was crazy yeah it definitely changed our perspective on the Paranormal and became quite literally the biggest thing that happened in the Paranormal world ever yeah and yeah that's not even us like tuning our own horn like this was so so profound for everybody that like we basic like Cody and Satori have been around for a while um but they've only really started showing people that they could do this trick ability whatever you want to call it for what like a year and a half two years maybe maybe in very private settings so we were like the first people to really like put them in a spotlight on YouTube yeah on YouTube they've done it on um so satori's dad does Ghost Hunters as well so they've done it on his show um but yeah we were the ones that really kind of showcased it on YouTube and so in the YouTube paranormal world this was the biggest thing ever everybody was trying to debunk it or trying to figure out like I saw some where they said that you would have to give names so they could like research certain people but Bella because you can't look at her family history that's why they didn't read her because they couldn't find the information on her but everything else they could theoretically exactly memorize EXA yes and then so that's why we went back and we tested them for different theories like that we took them to random places when we did tell them anything beforehand it didn't tell them any addresses and stuff and we tested them to see if they could find out things about that location that obviously they would not know we were taking them to and it happened over and over and over again perfectly well how much would they cost to book if if I wanted to have them come out somewhere or just for me for like me and Macy privately they don't do the private readings for like you can't like say like hey let me give you a grand and they'll do it for you they just don't want to do that but yeah and truthfully like again not trying to to it our own horn but like after our videos released like I think they like changed a lot of like I think they're not in hiding I want to say but like they they were like employees of The Conjuring house and they definitely have to you know back up because of that because people asking them to do that they're like every person that they come in contact with is like do it for me do it for me do it for me and it's likeing because I'm that way where you know I'd like to believe it but I'm also skeptical and if it happened to me and I see it right then i' be like oh no that's it I'm not going to be the one to like fall for it like I'm that one and I'm like oh I want to do it so badly that's one thing that we were like we said in one our video but just want to put that out there if we did not see this in person we wouldn't believe it the only reason we believe this is because it happened to us over and over and over again for hours every single day for a week and then we went back and it happened to us again for hours and hours and hours in every test that we wanted so like of course people online are not going to believe this we wouldn't either yeah but seeing it firsthand that's why we have such the you know passion for it like Jack was explaining where we're taking small groups and showing them and being like wait this is really different because it truly is like everything we've experienced has definitely led us to want to believe more and believe more in the Paranormal this was the first one that we felt was pretty close to confirmation yeah nearly just undeniable yeah exactly but again like kind of going full circle to your point what's interesting is they never ever gave us 100% proof because you're not supposed to know in my opinion we had a lot of conversations with them after the fact you know we you know became decently close with them over that week and we talked about that a lot like I don't think the entire world is supposed to have proof because that ruins The Human Experience it could also cause major conflict if you think about it let's say like Cody and Satori we like Christianity is the answer you know that's like everybody was like would start a World War if they were right like scientists back this up and they say we've confirmed proof from the Paranormal this is the way it is like I know that sounds dramatic but I'm being serious like most they would probably be assassinated is my guess most wars have been religious conflict that's why they start so like I don't think we're meant to like have the answer which makes things so much more special yeah because if you don't have all the answers it makes every part of life more interesting so I was talking to Jack about this who bought the condra house uh it was a lady named Jacqueline Nunes um so the there was a family called the heinens that lived there when we first went a couple times um and then they lived in the house just casually they lived in the house and the dad started getting like health issues living in the house I'm not sure exactly what he had and so they ended up moving away to deal with his health and they still are a big part of it okay like the kids like still work there were the health issues to do with the house or this is just they think you know it's just like hey old age something happened I I I don't even know what he has but I want to speak on his behalf okay yeah fair I mean you could say so I don't think so okay um but yeah then like a lady named jacn Nunes like moved in and um I don't know her background really but she was just super into like spiritualism and um knew that this house had something or she claims that it has something very special like the entire property is like a giant portal did she buy it before the movie came out um no no no she just bought it like a year and a half ago all the movies happened like a decade ago but I feel like that would have to be like a really expensive sale right like we were we were trying to buy it you were actually trying to buy the what was the process like of like buying The Conjuring house well so we did our two Conjuring videos in 2021 and there were our biggest thing we ever happened to our Channel and then we you know were decently close with the uh the family that owned at that time because we talked back and forth about planning these videos and they told us this is going up for sale and we're like um dude you you have to do this um logistically did not work out you know what the house was valued versus what they were asking for is just it wasn't going to be a good Financial the value is price is priceless for that house how can I ask how much they were asking I mean I'm sure we could just look it up yeah it was valued at like 350,000 but they were asking for a million I think and it actually got sold sold by 1.4 yeah I think jacn bought it for 1.4 that makes sense you can't look at that house as just what is a house from the 1700's valued at on this land worthless you know exactly land but it's that and the fact when I looked at the prices how much they're charging every single night and how many people they can have come through the house on a $1.4 million investment I bet she's making her money back within about 2 years for sure which is and owning a a very one of the most notable houses besides maybe there's there's that Home Alone house The Brady Bunch house I mean there's houses that's the most famous in the United States absolutely maybe in the world yeah which I think it's like smart to point out that like you know for all the Skeptics out there like that's a huge reason everybody's like oh it's a business like of course they're going to say like the woods is the most haunted and stuff and they're just like starting campsites out there you know it's like that was a big red flag for a lot of people which I can totally see it's a business it makes sense like a lot of these things that people are skeptical about which we understand yeah I think well first I don't know if someone would feel comfortable just moving in and living in the house I don't think now does anybody live there I think they have trailers outside and that's the closest yeah I've seen they they charge for like camping like lamping outside or you could spend like you know Friday there or something like that but looking at the prices it made me very curious to want to go and experience that and check it out I don't know if you ever done anything like I've never done anything like this before I I would be very curious now I I probably get scared easily but but seeing that thought what an incredible experience to be able to go and like and try something new like that yeah as long as you're open-minded to it like I Amun experience even if like let's say nothing happens you're still having this experience learning a bunch of history have a fun night with friends like that's what I tell people all the time a lot of stuff doesn't happen there's many videos we've scrapped there's some videos that just don't do nearly as like crazy as everything else but it's still a good time is there any experience that truly scared you Yes actually going back to like that first trend of thought we had like 10 minutes ago or whatever the basement we brought Cody and sator down right and this before this like we had a couple days where we were just talking to um basically the matriarch of the house named Abigail Arnold who was like the the family couple families before the parents like the Arnold estate is what it was called Abigail Arnold we would talk to her she was awesome super sweet old lady um but in the basement there was something more like the trickster something more like negative I wouldn't say Sinister or evil but like something more negative for sure just like to play jokes on people and the only thing first of all before I get into what it said like the Taps that were being made sounded different down there as well which is also why I don't think it's like cracking of the joints is because like we were upstairs on wood and it would sound different and then downstairs it was all concrete and you could hear it like like it was tapping on the the like concrete or whatever so it's you could hear the the visible like or the yeah the differences between both of it yeah for contacts on that too like everywhere we took them we took them a bunch of different places you know different floors in the house but also on gravel on like a wooden floor on concrete they all did sound different in person but like what it would say is it was super vague about everything like and all would want us to do is it just said come to the woods come to the woods and we were like why it be like find out I did it I just thought that was the scariest thing and like where and it was like over the bridge like what and then like who do you want to come out didn't say like alone alone or yes I something like that I don't know it was scary and then over and over and over like why I like find out I like oh God it's so scary but was there any point where you felt in danger for your life no not for our lives really but I was I did not want to like off camera that night Sam and I talked for like 4 hours and I was just like dude we are living in a movie right now like we can't go to the woods like are you kidding me like this isn't just a YouTube video anymore like there's something evil in the basement that just said or something negative in the basement that just said like do not go to the woods like we can't do this yeah but we did anyways for the content are you ever nervous at being around so many spirits all the time you're like bringing some some essence of something with you that's what I'd be worried about like some negative thing like LA on hanging out with you guys a little bit nervous about isn't that good cont that's true well you know what's interesting not trying to throw Sam on the bus really quick but it's just funny as [ __ ] um every animal that we meet like hatte Sam dude every like it's just my bailey liked you Bailey lik Bailey likes anything now not to discredit Sam or anything no it it's insane there's so many animals that we look they like oh Kobe and look at me they're so scared their tails go down it's like oh God what's happening but at the end of the day uh that aligns with the same questions I've had this my entire life if something were to attach itself to me or I do have this weird essence or something does happen to me or maybe I am scared of my life that would give me hope so like even if it's a negative thing like to be honest if this happens May will have a different perspective on it but if I get levitated and thrown up against the wall that would be the greatest day of my life because yes it would be scary but that would 1,000% prove it to me that all the stuff is real so I kind of want to be like you know thrown around you that yeah yeah know and this thing would be interesting now you were telling me about haunted objects a long time ago could you go into some detail about that because there are a few things that you said that really stood out to me that some objects like carry the spirits with them and like if you there there are stories that you've seen of like people touching certain objects and then like bad things happen to them yeah I mean the in Vegas haunted museum is probably the biggest spot for all the haunted objects of the world um where he like for example let us sit in the devil's rocking chair which was another Conjuring we I believe it was like a Conjuring sequel The Conjuring three is based on this exorcism and this specific rocking chair was there during the actual exorcism in the 1970s uh but yeah it's thought to believe that just like a place um could be haunted um something could haunt an object and that could be the vessel that it's with there so anyway right next to this chair this kid named David glatzel was thought to be possessed and they had multiple I think but at least one e exorcism on this guy that you know said to have multiple demons attached we don't know whatever it was and then people said that right after the exorcism people could see something that they coined the Beast sitting in this rocking chair this whatever this missed whatever it was and they're so scared of it and then after that no one sat in this chair for what 30 years 50 years now uh and then they sold it to Zach bin and he's been the only person to sit in it ever since that like whole exorcism deal and then he let us sit in the same chair why would you do that like just in case like why risk it again cuz if I died by doing that that would be the coolest thing in the world because it would prove to me it's all real but you would be dead but now I go to heaven but what if what if it's a negative like demon or something like that that does not take you to heaven and because you sat in that chair like this thing attached onto you and it's like pulling you down about that bad things happened to you in your life because you sat in that chair and like that negativity something like C that caus a little change yeah I mean to be completely honest too like the big reason we did it was because we were like like we can't turn down this opportunity the concept but what happened when you sat in the chair well we both did the Estus method in the chair um and you had more of an intense experience than I did but we definitely both felt like heavy like something was almost like not letting us stand up you were kind of like shaking and freaking out though towards the end of your it was very weird like I've still after I think still have never had an experience like this I sat in this chair and I want to put out there for all the Skeptics it could be me psyching myself out I'll say that if not I sat in this chair and all of a sudden within I was probably only sitting in this chair for a minute my legs like felt almost immediately like I ran like a half marathon like I was instantly tired they're shaking they're almost almost painful like like hard and I was like okay well let me try to stand up and it was it was almost like I was sore immediately like why I'm just sitting in a rocking chair and I stood up and it took a good you know couple minutes for me to like you know feel better about everything and snap out of it but it was genuinely like not only like emotional switch but I could physically feel a difference in my legs after sitting in this chair and I've never experienced like anything like that before what was your experience uh mine was similar but less intense so I just kind of felt I felt like pressure on me like something kind of like almost not forcing me but trying to get me to sit longer like like don't like get up or whatever like thoughts in the head that would pop up being like it just felt heavy in my legs like I they weighed like a little bit more than usual um but I was able to stand up like pretty fine and like I would love for you to take two random people on the street and have them sit on two chairs and just say sit in this chair for one minute sit in this chair for one minute all right what do you think I just see if they're like and tell them either way don't tell them either chair right and just and just say did did what was more comfy what did you feel like after random person that and I tell him well no one sign that you for 50 years and it's said have demonic possession you sign the waiver oh yeah no that was one of the most unique experiences for sure definitely is there any object that you would not touch that is diic box or whatever that thing is have you guys heard about that yeah I mean that's in the his Museum as well if we're talking about the does he have that same box so he has the box where if you guys have heard the story of post Malone getting cursed have you no oh this is interesting so post balloon's super into the haunted stuff and Zach Bon's invited him out to his Museum and they were doing a private tour Zach has like a diic box room and the only thing in it is the diic Box in this glass case in the middle of the room and they took it out of the plexiglass around it and didn't even touch it they got near it um they freaked out for some reason like they either heard something or felt something can't remember but they freaked out for some reason touched it but post didn't okay post millone didn't Zach did he started freaking out they ran out of the room whatever like for the next month or two afterwards like post Malone almost got in a plane crash his house got robbed was like a lot of different things there was at least three or four things that were like life-threatening really intense situations all within I thought it was closer than that like one month one two like don't quote us on that and that's what it's known for right the diic Box just gives people really bad yeah and unfortunate luck in circumstances right yeah yeah because basically in um Jewish folklore adic is like a demon that got trapped into this box so obviously like don't open the box because the demon will be released but obviously people make a million divic boxes like you can buy them on eBay and stuff if you want like that one is the real one that's a real one that's the most famous one yeah why don't you go and touch it and then document what happens afterwards would you do it I was going to say next video that would be incredible yeah is that the line is that too far it's like you do anything except for touching the dibit Box you don't want to die like that's too far because then that could also be take a bath with the dibit Box let's go because but no here's the thing if not if something were to happen you couldn't say that was 100% the dibit box that's then it could be well maybe there was a chance something happened that would have happened you know regardless of whether or not you touch the Box a good idea like I spent 30 days with a diic box or something like that that would be yeah that Mr Ballin episode that I heard on that freaked me out it made me it made me like really believe in the whole concept of that if you did that and just like lived with this thing for a week or a month next to your bed and you just wake up every morning but that's what sharing sheets with it that would be pretty crazy H idea let's go idea or he sleeps with Annabelle every single night oh my God oh my who's Annabelle Annabelle so um the Warren back to Ed and line Warren have their own museum we're supposed to be going hopefully sometime this year but um if you've seen the Annabelle movies there's a real Annabelle doll that like all of that's based on we've never been so we haveen a researched it the most haunted doll in the world in the world yeah and so that's the one doll that we haven't really like seen yet that we need too and it's in plexiglass as well in this like Museum and once a day they have a priest come over and bless it because they're so scared of what it could do to people really what's scary about all these haunted objects and just haunted places in general is like like Sam I had like one of the toughest years of our entire lives like this past in 2023 and like we you can't just like say all the negative things that happened to us is because the haunted stuff but then a part of you like there's like a little fraction that like thinks like what now are we talking about maybe the cancer diagnosis yeah because so this is what's crazy is so I know it's not Robert the Doll we went to a place in Florida where if you take pictures of this doll it literally says it gives you cancer and we did that and then I got cancer that month or the next month yeah but what are the chances of that what I'm saying I have to say like I I am very superstitious on certain things and like if I have a negative thought I got to you know knock on wood just in case I like to you know release that out there what are the chances that did you did you take a picture with it too or you both okay again it's not it but like also what of the odds you know the reason I know it's not Robert I hope is like I felt a little bit of pain like before going to that trip okay but that doesn't mean like any other haunted place like there's so many stories of you know diseases being caused by like Paranormal and stuff like that and like I don't believe it but it just makes you see that would be my biggest fears like investigating something like this picking up something negative and all of a sudden destroying my life but you can't point to that you can't say definitively it was that but my life fell apart uh all of a sudden I found these vices and my you know everything kind of went down yeah you can't bend it on that exactly but it's like again what are the chances right it's it's it's everything in paranormal is like coincidence or like people stock it up to like coincidence and stuff so that's what makes it so interesting you can't ever pinpoint one's specific thing as the ultimate reason or confirmation and that's you know what makes you be able to keep going and also I think I would go insane if I was just like Rober the doll gave me cancer like I would really obviously want to like quit quit doing haunted in general how many people take pictures of that doll probably a lot probably a lot but there are 10,000 letters handwritten letters saying I'm sorry to Robert the Doll because of bad instances that have happened after people take pictures I would love to know how many people take pictures versus how many of them get diagnosed with cancer within a 5-year period and compare that to the normal statistics of like hey if a 100,000 people take a picture with this thing and you know the normal statistics might be like 1 and 30 or 1 and 20 I want to see if that skews the results that would be actually a great experiment that'd be really interest I don't how many people would participate that's that's someone's going to get sued on that one yeah someone out there do it not us yeah so what happened in terms of your your cancer diagn nois like how what what was some of the first symptoms you felt well it was just like I didn't think it was anything serious at first what's really scary is so it's coming up on a year now I got diagnosed on January 25th in 2023 wow so like two weeks away from now we're filming this in mid January 2024 um but yeah what's really scary and not to freak out all the young kings watching this or anything but like first of all it's a young men's cancer like people from 20 to like 35 tend to get this um but it really wasn't that bad like it wasn't that painful and that's what's scary about it every dude has been like nutted before like where you just kind of feel like you have like a bruise ball for a second but it goes away for in a couple days mine my bruise just like didn't go away the thing that I am telling guys like that gives them peace of mind though is that two weeks before I went and got diagnosed I could tell something was wrong if started changing in like appearance and size to TMI and then like when whenever I would like work out really hard or if I'd have sex or masturbate or whatever it would like swell up and stuff so I knew something was wrong obviously um and you caught it early so you felt that pain and you still caught it stage one yeah so stage one and I got misdiagnosed too yeah yeah what was that like it was I mean I don't blame the doctor at all but it was it was a Vegas doctor out here and he said I had something called like acute epidemius which is just like inflammation down there and then he also which didn't make any sense CU I was celibate at the time um he also was just like oh you might have like an STD let's give you like a garia shot just to be safe and I was like I don't like that wouldn't make any sense but all right so they thought it was that gave me the shot in like my ass for like goria obviously it wasn't that um and he was just like just be safe and go get an ultrasound in the next month he was just like you don't have to do it anytime soon just go in the next month but I decided to proactively do it the next morning and just get it over with um especially because I think we were traveling in the next couple weeks as well so I was like let me just get it over with and be safe went the next morning and then 5 hours later like I missed the call because we were in a meeting but I was kind of like reading the voicemail transcript where it was like hey this is your doctor call me back as soon as possible and I was like that can't be good like what doctor says that and so called him back of course and he was just like hey so don't freak out but um the results from the ultrasound like it's like 95% cancer he was like it might not be like a I forgot the word benign or something I think benign um like it could be like a tumor where it's not cancerous or something yeah um but you do have a tumor but you do have a tumor and so he was just like um why don't you just come to the doctor's office right away and so I didn't even Sam was still in the meeting and so I just didn't even like tell Sam I like left and called him on my way there and told him to like wrap up the meeting and then he came and drove and met me at the doctor's office and the doctor was very like nice about it and very reassuring it was just like hey man like um usually like 95% of people they just have to get surgery and they're good that's it like that's all you need so he was just like if you get this out as soon as possible you should be fine what they say about the you know survival rate isn't testicular cancer like 97 97% yeah the only like reason people like die from it is if it metastasizes and like goes like so like for example the most famous case that a lot of people know is Lance Armstrong had testicular cancer when he was my age so I got it when I was 25 like about to be 26 um he was 25 as well I believe um but his spread to his lungs and his brain yikes and he had to get like I don't even know I'm gonna say this wrong but he had to get like months of chemo I believe like where he for me um based on like the the certain type of cancer I had is basically so they had to take it out in order to do like a pathology report on it and figure out what exactly was going on and what type of like cancer I had and then they were able to kind of give me a percentage of recurrence of like okay for me specifically it was like 35% you have a 35% chance if you do nothing right now that it's going to come back and I was like a like that's a third like I got two3 of a chance I'm going be chilling but then I was like telling all my friends and family that and they were just like dude like that's like a lot and so he was just like but if you do one round of chemo which was 21 days then I could get that 35% number down to like 2% and so initially I was like against it I didn't want to do chemo chemo is like a self-destruct button in your body you lose everything like it kills all like the fast growing cells um like tumors tumors are like the fastest growing cells cancer um and so like you lose your hair of course like you lose everything yeah could they not have done like radiation or anything wasn't an option for me for some reason they didn't even bring it up I'm not sure why um I also learned that there's like dozens of chemo drugs for different cancers so like each person's scenario is going to be different than somebody else's um and so yeah after talking to my my parents and calling all my friends and just really giving it some thought I was just like well like we were stocked up at videos at the time I was just like let me just do this if I lose all my hair [ __ ] it like it's better than having like cancer coming back or whatever whoes um that'll grow back and so I just decided to do it and it was 21 days and like what was that like for you to go through um it was easy while going through it but like looking back on it it's like it's like the trauma like came later like in the year and I'm not I wouldn't say like I'm like really struggling with like trauma or anything but like definitely knowing that a year ago I had it it's like I've been thinking like of cancer like a lot this year and so I think I I had some like hidden trauma that probably probably Che a lot of it out what was it like for you to support a friend through this I it was definitely a big eye opener for sure even even from the moment I got that call it was kind of like everything was put into perspective what matters what doesn't like what are we actually going to be you know focusing on in the future and stuff made us definitely reevaluate health and like our friendship and I think since then we've probably been the closest we've ever been yeah I know I think so I think it like the silver lining of it is all the relationships in my life like especially ours like got a lot closer because it's like I was calling my parents every single week and before then I would call them maybe once every like three months four months like we have a great relationship but we just never communicate that often but like there were so many people in my life that I like reached out to and like for support I even remember like talking to you a little bit about it like last year but um yeah it just like brought me closer to everybody and and it's kind of like a slap in the face of like hey man like you're not Invincible yeah um but again like my main things is like I was just like when I first found out I was like am I gon to die can I have kids like those were my I was going to ask about kids do you take a proactive measure like free sperm or something like this just in case so before chemotherapy they make you they make anybody I just learned this as well but they make anybody who does chemo they recommend males to freeze their sperm I didn't know that cuz chemo attacks like especially the the Kemo that I was having was attacking like down there um and so there is a tiny it's like five% 10% sort of a thing that like you like your just dies yeah you just go sterile um and so I did I ended up freezing like my sperm out here just to be safe um and yeah like that was like probably the the hardest like decision is just being like it makes it kind of real it's like hey this is that 5% chance right there yeah exactly like doctors have to be so honest of and so like here in like I was doing like the possibility ofo right after surgery I was like there's no way I'm doing chemo there's no way but then of course like once that 35% like stuck with me every single day I was just like oh like I might as well just everybody in my life was telling me to do it and I was just like all right I should probably just do it also didn't you get something some report back that after chemo it was actually attacking something so it made you realize that you did make the right ision no so what was scary and this is getting kind of like into medical terms or whatever but I'll keep it as like simple as possible because confusing but basically like there's this tumor marker in your blood called AFP that like spikes up specifically for like specific cancers like I think it's ovarian and testicular um and so my AFP spiked up like halfway through my chemo and so what was really hard is my doctors in Vegas who did the chemo I did the chemo with um said this spiked up like during your first cycle we think you should do like another cycle just to be safe we haven't seen like Spike up like this and so I was like wait but like ah like I just went through this like one cycle I I shouldn't have to like do this again so I went and uh got another opinions that UCLA and then Cedar's C always C Cai and they both and no offense to Vegas doctors out here but like California's way more qualified M just honest um they both said like oh no like you're fine you don't need Cho and so or any more Cho and so I ended up just taking their advice and being like all right two doctors said I don't need it one Vegas doctor said like you should do it two to one two to one yeah um but then again like that still is not everybody saying like oh yeah you're fine and so that that little like door being open of like the possibility of you know one doctor which just like I think you should caused like so much more anxiety in the future you stuff to De with that because of all the tests you're taking yeah like I mean two days ago like I did a CT scan um and like I have a blood test tomorrow at 6:30 in the morning wow MH so what's like the maintenance on something like that how often do you have to go in and retest so it was different last year than it is now obviously um right after like right after I got diagnosed I pretty much got poked getting like my blood test every single week for five months at least um but it was only recently um I think yeah around like September when they said like okay it's like like you're still like normal in normal levels we're going to like push it out to three months you'll get checked so the last time I've gotten a CT scan and blood work was in September and so that's why like Jan early January like I'm getting it again it's been three months and so that's why I'm like I've been kind of like anxious this week and like stressed out because like even though my recurrence level is literally 2% yeah um and so like obviously I have 98% chance that I'm fine but it's still weird how I feel like anxious about it you know what's so funny even for me the 1% things screw with my mind all the time there a 1% chance that's all I think about exactly and I worry about that 1% even though it's unlikely to happen I spend most of my mental meal mental energy on that 1% exactly and I think that's human nature too to like just focus on on that stuff case scenario yeah yeah I've been reading that book John delon's book on anxiety and he says that 1% is is wired in your brain to help keep you alive because if you didn't have that 1% worry think of all the times that 1% happens you know over a 100 200 times at 1% will happen on something and if you didn't pay attention to that it could kill you so our minds are wired to focus on that 1% just to keep you alive definitely you never know that's a good point so what did this whole experience teach you about life in general I mean that's a lot to go through as like a 25 26 year old yeah I mean um first of all it made me grateful more than anything for like just everything like friends and health specifically of course and um it was a again Silver Lining to it I wouldn't call it a blessing in disguise because can getting cancer is not a blessing at all um but it really did teach me in other facets of life like to really focus on like specifically Health um so for example like I slow down on like drinking a lot and like I'm going on Hikes like every single day and like that like it really and now that I'm doing like these um blood tests every once in a while like I'm checking for other things in my body that I never even like learned about or knew about that like kind of gives me more of like a feeling of security of like everything is okay um but yeah I mean just overall like I know this is going to sound crazy but and I've said this before but I'm kind of I'm not happy that I caner of course but I'm glad that if it had to happen it would happen to somebody like me because like there was so much more positives that happen than negatives like yes I had to sacrifice my left nut rip Soldier or whatever but like like literally we raised like hundreds of thousands of dollars to like cancer funds I mean the reach that you have and just imagine how many I think 8 million people saw that video yep imagine how many people because of that got something checked out they saw you do that and oh you know what maybe you know it wasn't anything let me just check this out just in case I mean when you look at a numbers game like that out of 8 million people out of 8 million people at least one of them probably did something proactive that would have prevented something or caught something early enough because you came so publicly with that video yeah and I appreciate you saying that but it's been super cool seeing like random emails from like I want to be like a a spokesperson to guys because I feel like a lot of dudes will be very insecure scared to talk about a cancer like down there or whatever but I want to be like a social media guy who is not afraid to be like yeah know that happened to me and like I'm arriving still and I think that's the main thing for guys like out there to if you're going through the same situation is nothing's changed it's like like no no libido changes like no testosterone changes Joe Rogan say that the other testicle compensates and makes up which I think is insane the body could do that you noticed like no difference in terms of like zero zero difference so I'm C do they just replace it with like a fake one I had the option to do that so they they said I could get like a silicone ball yeah the only reason I didn't do it is because I was doing a bunch of research where like sometimes the body will reject silicone any time in life so I didn't want to have like the anxiety of like being like 40 50 whatever one day and like being like is this the year that like my body decides to reject my fake nut like I don't think so so I I just I'm rocking don't isn't that the case with uh people get boob jobs where you have to either like take a medication or something to I don't know if that's for life I I'm not I don't know but I thought there's something where it's like it's not meant to be a permanent thing you're usually supposed to replace him every like 15 years I think so I think yeah you have to replace it every I don't know 7 to 10 I'm not sure but it's anything any foreign object in the human body you want to take that risk after going through all yeah cuz like the whole thing is like I just I just want my anxiety to go away about it and so like I wouldn't want to give myself more anxiety by just like get getting like a fake ball in there like all right well now it's like my body going to rejected like [ __ ] now what happened to the nut that they took out did you get to keep that yeah they give it to you in like a Christmas ornament and like so it's on our tree right now you're joking literally I love that you're joking no like they put a plaque it says Kobe Brock's left nut are you serious well I feel like you're kidding yeah I see that smile on your face you're [ __ ] oh God no they have to they just toss it I don't know what they do with can you ask for it like I feel like I've seen people with like Teeth remove like I want the te I was outside the operating room and the doctor came up and was like do you want it do you want to see a nut and I was like it's a weird question did you say yes I was like yeah he's like I probably shouldn't and I was like can't you like of course I want to see CO's balls I mean his uh extracted nut oh my God so he never showed it he just he like he backpedal on how you jumped on you're like yeah like I mean this is the Once in lifetime chance you know he said he used to be able to do it but not anymore okay how do you guys maintain your friendship like through that 10 15 years however long it's been have you ever gotten in a fight that's like maybe threatened to tear you guys apart I don't think so not to the point that we actually were going to there is definitely Rocky points especially at the beginning so we're obviously like friends and then we became business partners and then especially when we moved out we were roommates friends and business partners at 18 and my livelihood dependent on him and vice versa that's very difficult on a friendship for sure and we also were just like struggling on on YouTube and what we wanted to do and so like each week we would have to come up with different ideas and I'd pitch something that maybe he didn't like versus Vice Versa and so like we have never ever ever really like yelled at each other before like like have gotten like a screaming match we've never ever like hit each other ever um like usually we've always worked the out very maturely and we'll just like be completely honest being like hey man like I didn't like this let's talk about it and I didn't like this let's talk about it and then like we'll resolve it and figure it out very like civy but like it's hard though like just putting it out there I probably would not suggest going to business with your best friend or your spouse like I just wouldn't suggest it it ruins 90% of friendships we are definitely anomaly but but and we started that at the very beginning of like honestly like the Friendship should always come first over business over anything that's happening so let's communicate we had a lot of talks about all this stuff and over time we've gotten to a point where I just understand how he works and vice versa and so we know when something's going wrong we know when you know we're not no you know at the same level and we sit down we really talk about it because at the end of the day if our friendship isn't there our whole business isn't there and how do you handle a disagreement where neither one of you wants to budge on a topic do you just not do it or is it about like a convincing thing or just does one of you have like a little more of a lead than the other I think what's interesting is like when it comes to to business stuff that we disagree on we're both very very logical people and so no matter who's right me or Sam in the past will always just like put emotions away put every fact on the table and be like what is actually best step it doesn't matter who came up with like the steps but like what's what's like the best plan of action here and like again it's it's just like a lot of like trust and like there's so many times where like for example like mer random merch ideas like designs where um if I like really really really love a design but then Sam like doesn't like it at all I would just be like okay well then let's scrap it because like we both don't like it even if I really like it and it's helped too um when we first started it was mostly just us we sometimes had managers or whatever but nowadays we have a little bit bigger of a team and so if we do have a disagreement we bring it out to everybody and it's more so like a collective experience that we're like okay let's all decide on get pros and cons let's figure it all out it was just like he said like very hard in the beginning when we like didn't know what we were doing we didn't have a team we like saw each other every single we still see each other every single day but like back then when under stressful scenarios plus like not having a lot of money back then yeah um honestly like it's hard I'll I'll say this I'm I'm sure this is very very true with a marriage as well but I noticed a Dr dramatic difference in our relationship after Financial Freedom like when we were not worried about that month's rent and the bills and like let's say one thing went wrong and it wasn't going to ruin our chances of staying in Los Angeles or not that huge stress reliever was was a big part of our relationship uh change and I think that's probably with like everybody's relationship families and you know marriages and everything like that like money is such a big deal yeah and so like when things were starting to go right it was like a lot less stress on us for sure yeah and just maturing and stuff like as we've gotten older again we've just like learned more about how each like we work or whatever and so I think it's just it's all communication as cliche and corny as that sounds it's like communication is key if you're upset about something say it but also consider how you say it to somebody don't be like you just [ __ ] up everything I love doing that see that's my that's the grandma proess really oh my God I can go on see how thats out in the long run yeah no we're very very like considerate of each other's feelings take not I'm listen I'm working yeah he's doing a good job he's doing who spends more money between you two who's got the expensive taste it's decently even because most of the stuff that we spend money on we do it together with like Vacations or outside of that outside of work thing I think probably you yeah well it's okay so it's interesting because yes I I probably spend more money on like clothes and stuff like that um but I still have the same car from high school so you got to he spent maybe less like on less items but on more expensive items like he's gotten Tesla upgrades or whatever I still drive a 2007 Corolla see that's what I actually really admired about you guys because obviously you guys completely different level than me but when I for the longest time I was driving in near like actually yeah a 20year old car super old and you guys show up and you're driving a what was like a 15 18y old maybe 20-year-old Toyota Corolla yeah which is the coolest thing ever I really respected the the frugality that you guys have it's like still playing as smart even playing pickle ball with Sam like he didn't get pickle ball shoes for a super long time which I wouldn't consider super smart because there's no ankle support but he would still use just like standard trainers yeah you know you shouldn't be talking about ankle support Jack I know I know yeah you guys did you see the incident I saw it on Instagram I don't know what happened yeah I just basically hurt my ankle I'll show up some photos for you guys to see right he sent a picture to me in the hosital was just as gnarly black I'll show it to you after but I'm curious why not upgrade your car I've been looking into like some recently just like maybe or whatever and I know like like I want to get like a damn I'm blanking energy energy car electric I don't know what cars um but I'm just not a car like I would rather like put my money into like mortgages Stu I get that I think the upgrades yeah I think the upgrades from 2007 through today are substantial I mean just like the Comfort I think the big one is audio sounds a lot better if you if you listen to music or podcast audio in a car avigation is a pretty big one going from my old car to the Tesla was a genuinely life booster not just like Flex on a car whatever A lot of people don't even see my car but just my day-to-day life is happier when I'm like driving on autopilot listen to about things and I my phone automatically connects I don't have to worry about my keys like a bunch of like things that make my life easier because of this car and that's why I did do you have ax in your car no I don't like how do you listen to music I listen to the radio I Would S my Tesla oh we may to make a deal real quick maybe we can make a deal listen it's a one so it's different you know is the estimated value you know there's the there's the value but then there's you know the the value you know it's like it's like the house it's like the house like yeah it's appraised value but it's real value as long you know so so you when you travel between LA and Vegas like you're just listening to the radio the whole time uh so the so I have a Bluetooth thing that does hook up to my phone oh is it FM moderator or whatever push in and you create your own station yes okay that's what I was using too it's a quarter the thing is when you Trel different C you have constantly be changing the station you're projecting that's why I don't use it in Vegas it doesn't work in Vegas for yeah you know what I did with the Volvo for a long time I D the 2006 Volvo S60 but I put in airpods ohang do blasting slip knot but it's like you know pull over for that yeah it's I've never gotten pulled over for that and the windows are tinted so you'd really have to be like looking over and trying to see this that's also I get pulled over for that too gr Graham's about to get arrested like us I think one day I will but I just there's no like desire to I'm not like let me get a new car to be honest I would say maybe up until like this last year is we've been extraordinarily frugal people throughout everything intentionally or just subconsciously like you're just naturally not going to spend money on things naturally or is it like intentional like I should save money here both I think it's just like wired uh that way that we're probably just not going to spend in general but we're also like you know where can we save on this like what's the best deal for this like let's put our money here instead of put money there like we're definitely intentional about our finances do you guys like invest in the same things or have like kind of not joint accounts but like oh I'm going to make my Roth IRA over here I'm going to make my IRA over here and like we can buy the same things transparently we have a business manager who handles all of our finances and so like when it comes to like sep IRAs rooth IRAs it's all the same accounts under the same we have all the same Financial managers so pretty much we're invested in the same stuff cool but like we've been sort Maybe personally speaking actually like I've been into investing very early like in life too like and not I'm saying like where you can't even invest at this age like I'm talking I would be in like middle school and like like my mom would like teach me or like my parents would teach me they'd be like all right if you mow like the lawn you'll get 20 bucks or whatever like you should like save this for this many months so that when we go to the trip like in six months or whatever you'll have this amount whatever she was always just teaching me like at a very very young age to save money now it's just ingrained in your mind to do and I never I never got an allowance so like I've always worked for my money and I think that was a huge help when I was growing up what do you think about this recent trend of creators quitting I think it's interesting because uh YouTube's so new that we haven't really gone through like a generation and so we are finally seeing people move on or quit or retire or just say like I've had enough or I've reached Financial Freedom peace out I don't need to do this and it's really really interesting because at at the very beginning of social media you only had like this one generation of people doing it now much older people are doing it people are doing it throughout their families and older older life so I think we're going to see a lot more of it actually like a lot lot more people are retiring it's either there's going to be people that like quit completely like Matt pack that's his name Tom Tom yeah he was a big one or for a long time like people like PewDiePie who like technically quit like he's retired but like he still posts like once a month and like shows his kid and he lives in Japan now and stuff so like Inc yeah so I feel like most most YouTubers I could see are probably just going to like take a step back and not about that I yeah I have all the time I've been saying this to Jack so initially initi I'm not there yet not even you're like don't I need this no the podcast doesn't count my initial plan was 2019 I was so burnt out and I thought I was going to stop January worry of 2020 I would I me stop I was posting three videos a week I had done that since 20 late 2016 and three videos a week for you know three years and I thought I'm going to stop in 2020 because I was just purely burnt out and I thought maybe I'm going to post every now and then and then I got to December and I said you know what I still got like a little more energy in me let me just go through April because that's my birthday if I could just make it to April then I'm fine Co happened everything changed in March of 2020 with the shutdowns all of a sudden it was Finance everyone was at home and that was the point I I not really gone full time on YouTube until then I still working as a real estate agent still posting three videos a week and I think the combination of the two just like fried my brain So Co happened and I'm like oh man I got to double down on this now and I got this new wave of energy because there's so much more to talk about like I had been talked out of of topics but Co happened and all of a sudden every day was something new happening and there's something new for me to talk about I got so immersed in it uh Jack joined the team shortly after that and we were churning out three videos a week and then I think it was 2021 or 20202 so it was like two years afterwards I told Jack hey man I'm going to go from three videos a week maybe down to one maybe down to one and it was always December and then it was December through April and I always push it and then in April it's like well I may as well just make it through the rest of the year and then make it an even year you know I could stop when I started um and then now this year I've just yeah really for the last few months I've gone from three videos to one video a week that feel it's been amazing it's it's been I'm still I still unfortunately have the same like stress level as I did before posting three videos a week posting one it's it's and the one video still takes me I feel like as much time as I was doing spending for three videos a week but I found the performance of the one video a week has exceeded that of three videos a week so all my videos now are doing better because I'm posting less so now it's kind of reinforced oh one video a week is is pretty good but then I also like the idea of kind of going out at a high like I don't like the idea of like you watch reviews Decline and Decline and Decline and then it's like all right finally let me throw in the towel because it's not working I like the idea like what Matt said is like we're going out at the top I want to be able to control this and I feel like you have more power to say this is the best it's been our views have exceeded what we've ever done and this is the point to to call it quits I think there's something really powerful on that of like taking charge and you're the one in control of that but for me the podcast I see that having like at least another 10 years oh for sure no we've talked about that a lot at least like this year seeing other people do that it's like we don't want to be those YouTubers that like okay let's say right now get a couple million views we don't want to be those people that are scraping by at 10K views just because we need to turn out a video we definitely would want to if we start to see like a decline or or more so if we start to have a decline in passion would be I think that's I think that's the real thing because if you're obsessed with it even if it get 1 million views versus 10 like if you're just so in with everything you I don't think it really matters but if that you lose that passion and maybe people sense it and because of that the view slowly Decline and then it's like this negative reinforcing thing where it's like we feel less good about it and it's getting less views which makes us feel less good about it and gets us less views and then it's just like self-perpetuating after that yeah it is an interesting concept of this whole like you know you still feel as stressed one video versus three we went from posting every single week to then we did like serious content where we post like every week for a month and then take a month off every week for a month take a month off then we'd posted just every other week for a year and now we post once a month but in all of those changes I don't think stress level has changed all that much because we'll just put more effort into that one video or we'll just fill our time with other things that's something we've talked about a lot this last year and a half CU we're we were very very afraid of burnout about a year and a half ago and we were just like I don't think this is sustainable at this amount of pressure and work for very much longer so that's why we changed a lot this last year just going down to like one video a month yeah yeah we didn't I don't know I'm curious if you guys like your schedule or whatever but um truthfully like until now we have never had weekends free ever work every single day for like 10 years every single day there was and not saying like we would do a 9 to5 on Saturday and Sunday but we would definitely have to work and and and do bunch of little things for sure like on the weekends for years like a decade pretty much which doesn't mean it wasn't fun uh we love our work and there's like a lot of really good things about our work or maybe our work was we were on a filming trip and so we were like you know doing videos which are much more fun than sitting in a desk but there's a lot of times on the weekends like we wouldn't see anybody and we just edit like all the time and stuff so it just gotten to a point where we were like all right if we want to do this a long time and we're also we want to keep the passion up we got to figure this out to where we have some free time we balance social life cuz that was the real painful part of the last like two years was social life and just feeling like you had a connection with other people was declining and we were like that's just because we're not around how are you supposed to have a relationship with somebody if you're just not around it was interesting because our like YouTube career and like every other business that we were doing was like skyrocketing and we were getting like the best numbers ever or whatever but we had like no social life like we were just like we kind of sad like being like sitting at home like obviously in Vegas like we talk to you and we have like a the project fear guys you met them or whatever like there we have a couple friend groups out here um but you guys are super busy as well and so there was there was a lot of times where yeah we were just kind of like is it like what is the point to be like working this hard and not like reaping any of the social rewards from it you know so I heard a quote it's like we work so hard to get money for then money to be used on all the things we can't buy so it's like essentially we're working so hard to get all the things that we can't buy which is really interesting and um I want to know what your guys's plan is for for 2024 because I know this last year you guys had the most success you've ever had you guys have had your own personal struggles harder than anything else possibly that you've uh encountered in your life how are you going to change 2024 and like are you going to continue to be okay to sacrifice personal time enjoyment vacations trips etc for the business or how are you going to draw that line and is is this like conversations that you guys are actively having yeah so we um shout out Kong again Kong helps us out a lot on our team and um we are trying to in 2024 making it a thing where we at least have Saturdays off yeah and scheduled a couple of vacations already in there and honestly like out of all the goals that we've had like our number one goal is just to have a happier outside of work life this year cuz like we have gotten our systems down for like our work life and our content we have a lot of fun doing it but the way that we're going to have longevity in the content world is if we have more happiness outside of it and so that's honestly like our main goal is like how do we do the same work and maybe add on one vacation day to a trip or like have one day a week off like those types of little things definitely going to add up and change you said something to me that was really interesting you said it's really hard for to allow yourself to enjoy time that is spent not being like productive mhm or doing things that make an impact somewhere do you experience the same thinge I we've talked about this so many times but I think we're just wired differently I am the type of person where I can veg out and watch YouTube for hours a day and never feel like like bored or whatever and can like honestly be like I deserve this like we work so hard that like I can do this but I feel like we're just different people where like Sam has to be doing something constantly I feel like I think I was probably a major component of us not feeling like we could have a free free life um this whole time we've been in a career cuz I am just wired that way it sounds like me and Jack we I'm the one if Jack's not constantly doing something I'm like what are you doing all day Jack there's an email that came in an hour ago you've not responded to it what are you doing yeah you need to get this back to this person why are you not getting back to that was me too even if it was like 9:00 p.m. at night I was like oh what could I be doing for like work from this entire time or even like out on like if we were even partying or something like that like what pictures could I be taking that I could post tomorrow like think it so it was it got toxic to a point where I was obsessed with work uh obsessed with productivity and it just wasn't really healthy and I kind of had a crazy mental breakdown about a year and a half ago and we talked about that a lot over this whole last year it was just like I need to stop there was a part from 2020 through most of 2021 some 22 where I break down how much I would make per hour and if someone said hey let's go grab lunch or a coffee or let's go and do this I calculate in my mind how many hours that would be my driving time there and what that would be worth in terms of my time and I'm like doing this one thing would be $1,000 would I pay $1,000 for that no I I need to work and but that kept me from like adding up the opportunity cost of everything in my life but then what is the value of just genuine free time you know it's like well at the time I I thought it was a worthy sacrifice where I'm like I know this is not going to be forever so right now I need to put my head down and just keep working cuzz I know it's not going to be a forever thing so let me just well the going good yeah it's like double down oh things are going better triple down oh things are going better quadruple down always it was weird because I've always told Jack like hey when views are down you double down but when views are really good you also double down because you want to continue that momentum so it's always double down slow down never andless you make the conscious decision go dou down with the health issue with everything that's happened like this last like year it was a major slap to the face of being like your time here is not forever so if you don't actually use it and you don't enjoy it then what the [ __ ] did you like gain of working so hard yeah we're so lucky to be like well off and and being able to have like as much free time as we want because we make our own schedules um at 27 years old so it's it would be stupid not to you know live lavishly and like experience felt 35 is the age you take the foot off the gas you know if you're working from 20 to 35 like head down no fun I don't know if you want like kids or anything but like that's around like when you have kids though and I I feel like once you have a kid your life becomes your kid 18 years and so then you're locked but I feel like 35 is a good age like really like settle down the way I see it like I want to be able to at any point in my life enjoy and or just sit and just like enjoy my own happiness and freedom and enjoy only get happiness from working that's true only get happiness for a long long last time I would be super unhappy if I was just like I get depressed if I don't work I'm just like yeah get there like sometimes like oh we're done with work at 5: and I would [ __ ] panic I would be like what do I do like I'm sad well now we could do this thing and this thing and we could brainstorm ideas that's that's really insane and how happy were you when you were working ex like extremely happy yeah cuz I felt that purpose but as soon as I didn't have being productive what Grant Cardone says is that being productive is uh the leading you will be Happ to the degree that you are productive yes is what he says yeah and so when his daughter said or when his daughter I asked Grant I was like do you want your daughter to be happy and he says no I want her to be productive whoa yeah with his daughter in the room and she's like 14 she's 14 years old but he says if she's productive she will be happy so productivity first that but I think you can find being productive in other ways like now like when I look at it because I've had a switch in my mindset when I do go out with friends I find that productive for my social life and my well-being and my happiness for the job because if I don't have that then I'm G to get burnt out and so like I have been able to it still ties into the job exactly but it's my way of letting myself have freedom for now working out working out like yeah I'll go on a run although that's not not making me money it's productive in my health or something like that or even like as crazy as it sounds like starting a hobby is productive because you are like feeding a different part of your soul that can allow you to do more work because you're entertaining it you yeah I agree with that but it's just interesting I'm curious if you guys have the same mindset but like when I was like growing up like all the way up until High School my goal was just like okay I think like the best thing possible is to like make as much money as possible and then I'm going to retire at 30 and I'm going to live like doing nothing for the rest of my life that's going to be great and now being like 27 and older in retrospect I'm just I'm just like that's like the most boring life I think that's the single most like depressing life I could ever imagine is not having a purpose retiring at 30 sounds like a dream for everybody but like then what then what then what what are you doing with 30 years of your life when you don't have to worry about anything would love to try that though for a month of really like having nothing to do beun for single day great experence what do you want to do that day and go do it and then you'll realize oh there's not that many things to do I had this like really interesting conversation with my dad uh the other day at Christmas and he was like I I think he retired at like 47 and he was like I retired at 47 because I thought I was going to do that like you know oh like have so many other things to do and he sat me down he's like but I realized there wasn't just that many things to do so like if I had take all back or if I had to signu I would say never retire cuz like yeah you can go golfing or you can take take a vacation or you can do get into all these other little Hobbies you would but there's actually not that many things that you're not doing currently that you'd be interested it might be it might change if you have a family with like young kids maybe that might but then they grow those are things to do you know but then you're also occupied with that and I do think that's why a lot of people have kids it's just something to do something purose it's purpose and I that yeah th% I think your your life at some point becomes your kids life and then like when they go to their baseball games basketball whatever games like that's what you do you know like that your life is their life that's your purpose yeah do you want to have kids around the same time I feel like maybe kids become best are best I feel like at this point you would coordinate that like make sure you both have girlfriends eventually wives that are like friends with each other coordinate yeah that's funny I've planned out that exact same thing with my best butt exact same thing oh yeah 100% we're going to have friends our kids are going to be best friends and our wives are going to have to be never thought about that ever I've never really thought about that together and start a YouTube channel together YouTube channel yo I've never thought about this before that's so interesting yeah we're terrified of kids no just in general just in general period kids are scary they'd be freaky I never know how to talk to kids because there's like a a switch when they're like you know older where you could have more of a convers but it's like like a little baby like I talk to him like I do a dog I'm just like good that's great yeah not but I don't know how to talk I think you you can like like at least for somebody like five and under you can be like yeah talk to him like that I'm honestly not sure either I feel like you'll learn a lot you have a kid what you yeah yeah I think it's different if it's your own but if I'm like talking to another kid I don't I never know what to say yeah yeah it is scary do you want kids one day one day when one day though I would be having like five years from now okay 33 so like 38 my parents were 38 my mom was 38 I when I was like 36 or 37 when they had me so I like in my mind that's a good age because I always want to do everything I want to do before having kids and that includes like traveling like going to Japan is like a big goal of mine so to be able to travel get that out of the way and feel like I've accomplished everything I need to so that I could focus on another chapter yeah because otherwise I feel like having a child now that would take a priority over other things where right now I want to focus on other things yeah that's good I have a question what do you think about the age of 27 having a kid 27 no no no no just like in general like like do you think 27 yeah you being past 27 do you see 27 being like Oh I was still like super young then or like did you have your life kind of figured out or uh I I felt like I did I felt like I haven't changed much honestly if the only difference I had more energy I feel like at 27 like stay out later and like wake up early and not feel like completely wrecked um and then also be able to have a few drinks and be totally fine the next day oh yeah I still never get hangovers okay that'se to me that's really the only difference hang what I wake up the next day like oh oh the other difference is that it's easier to get in good shape so like if you go to the gym yeah so like back then I could go to the gym and see way more progress like I would probably have to work 50% harder to get the same results as I would at 27 that makes sense dang that's so but we got to get to the gym got to get to the gym so I would say take advantage of it now if there's anything it's just like the energy you have you could focus a little bit better you could sleep a little less you could work you wish you could have done that you probably are not going to do because you kind of passed that age uh not I feel like I did everything like the only thing you could go back and say is oh I wish I partied more and like yeah but I I was never into that like I would rather have worked so now it's like yeah it'll be a little awkward if I go into these places where even now like I went to The Bungalow in Santa Monica if you've been there on the old one there and I remember like going in there and think you know seeing everyone is like 21 to 25 and I felt like I felt out of place wow and You' hear these conversations like oh yeah I just got this internship this and I'm so out it like an internship dude an internship man get away I felt like I felt out of place I I now feel awkward going in and being old in places where like I thought I would fit in and I don't um same with a lot of like the YouTube events I'm old and it's like all these young like 18 to 25-year-old like ticktockers and and like shorts people and vloggers and just vloggers yeah the vloggers these prank channels I know I feel out of place are you are you scared of being older no I look forward to it like I like the idea of being a grandpa I don't know why it's just like why do you think that comes from I don't know I just I I've always incredible be the crankiest like you walk out with your little thing like the guy from I want be so I want to embarrass people Thanksgiving dinners are the most outlandish people like oh that's just Grandpa yeah Starbucks coffees that's why you're broke you know that I want to be like that I've always gravitated towards older people for whatever reason like I relate better to them I I see like wisdom in what they have to say they have experience I think you learn a lot from old people so I've always just like ever since I was a kid I'd hang out with like the adults wow how about you jack you feel the same like looking forward to old age yeah I'm I I'm I've always loved the age that I've been at wow to be honest I'm 25 25 okay yeah so I'm thrilled to be 25 and I'm sure as I grow older like I'm just going to enjoy different things and here's a thing that I found really interesting when I was like 16 I had this crisis because I I've always been pretty juvenile uh like liked childish things and stuff like that when I do yeah I still I still do in some capacity sure but like when I was 16 like pulling pranks on my friends and being kind of an idiot you know like that was my favorite thing it would bring me so much happiness and I was so scared that as I got older like like it would be weird you know like I'm like 25 and I'm still pulling like childish pranks and stuff like that and everyone's like what are you doing it's like get a job as I as I got older I noticed I would have the same happiness and joy but just from other things and I think that's just a part of maturing is that as you grow older you can still get that same happiness that you had when you were a kid but just from different things right and so I'm expecting the rest of my life to be like that um you know once I'm 40 maybe just hanging out with my kids is like the most thrilling thing in the entire world maybe it's better than everything I've experienced before your priorities are different it was really I I had a horrible crisis of getting older for such a long time we still kind of do and I was like asking my dad about that I like do you feel like sad that you're [Laughter] 60 like suck for you and he goes you know you guys always say that like the 20s your 20s are going to be your best years of your life and I would say the 20 my 20s were the best years my life and then I turned 30 and then my 30s were the best years of my life for different reasons and then I turned 40 and they were the best years of my life for different reasons and I never thought about it like that I was always like oh my party phase my travel phase my dating round phase is going to be the best years of my life and they probably will be for those reasons but the reasons will always change and we grow so much as people so I thought those were really cool and that alleviated so much anxiety about me getting older yeah damn dropping wisdom on us all perspective yeah everyone followed dumb and wise check it out it's another dad put his dad is genius that's a genius there somewhat off topic how do you do your hair it's very off top thank you dude trying my best out there shout out do you use a blow dryer I do do you use a blow dryer hell yeah what Dyson blow dryer you guys got to teach me that what's the strategy how do you do this uh I've had the same haircut since I was like 10 pretty yeah so shout out anuko hair hairstyle it's our buddy that owns a barber shop I've been going to him he's been giving me advice and I just recently like a year ago started using this paste so dude go for it man okay it's like different different you know just try a bunch of different things but I would say volume is the best thing that's ever happened in my hair okay interesting so I was talking to Brett and Joseph those you know Brett Maverick and yeah blue man and uh and they said you need use a blow dryer it's like the most important thing if you want to have good and consistent hair as a guy so Brett gave me a blow dryer and I was using it and it makes my hair look so so bad oh no horrible I'll show you I'll show photos up on the camera now it's really bad to the point where I'm like Jack you cannot you just doing it wrong or is it just must be I must be doing it wrong it that I hope it's that's the case as soon as I saw it I started like laugh do you put product in after blow dry kind of I put I put a little bit of product in okay yeah I think it's just a skill do you not like your hair right now is that why you're wearing a hat I mean that's hot that's hot change the camera that's yeah all right yeah I mean that's hat head obviously so sure doesn't usually look like that guys but uh do you want to like focus on your hair I think it would be a level up yeah because I think you know hat head jack is just do you like beard Jack that this is lazy Jack is is beard I think it looks a little bit good with some 5 o'clock show to be honest I agree mhm all right and Jack you're going to check your text message did she respond to you I'm coming back we promised our viewers at the very end that is funny oh she responded let's go see you read it out loud oh my God okay she says she responds [ __ ] off I'm screaming all in caps I will be the first listener I'm going to pretend that picture was solely for me it thank you for the immense Joy I'm experiencing wow Jack you got to set her up yo huge shout out to you what's her name Tori T let's go Tori shout out Tor go on a fantastic date with J Jack okay Jake Jake Jake all right T give Jake a chance to yeah get his name right that'll be better all right well that was holy 3 hours 10 minutes that's our longest podcast ever that be second longest ever healthy gamer was the longest at 3 hours 30 minutes see this was crazy because like like we're just we're friends so it's kind of just like just chitchatting probably had the same conversation elsewhere yeah made it very easy is there anything else that you want to mention while we're on the role dud anything else 2024 is about to get crazier I know we we say that every single year so our fans are like shut but like like we have a lot of plans we're going to be traveling the world for our haunted stuff have a lot of like side businesses that are going to be launching so just get ready for 2024 it's going to be crazy yeah and go check us out in zumies or oh my God how we bring that up you guys were like their number one most sold what like like collection most sold brand of Black Friday which is crazy wow they got every Danny Duncan right for that I don't know what the stats are now but now because of that we're in every store in the United States and in Canada it's good looking merch I really think it's something that like you could see people wear even if they don't know what it is tell that story that was crazy yeah this is really really cool so the other day we went to go to isumi to get like photo shoot pictures and to do some promo uh no no no like a couple weeks ago Zach um and while we were walking in to do the photo shoot we we saw this guy and he walked up to the employee and goes hey what what's what's that one oh yeah these are these are new in store he's like these are sick uh and he takes it down does the whole Explorer thing and we walk up to him and we're like look just to see if you like recognize us he had no idea who we are he just just like in front of our eyes being like this is a really cool merch he's like an older dude had no idea who we are and that just like validated that like people outside of our you know YouTube audience will enjoy the merch I think it's a good design I like the style of it I think the baggie is kind of like whoever make like manufacturing them it's very comfortable oh yeah thank you Team Shadow team can I ask how much do you make on like a sweater if like Zumi sells a sweater like a dollar that you guys get like net like yeah it's it's different like obviously our merch versus zumies because we just have a different deal um and different blanks and stuff different blanks but it's like I don't know I don't even know I don't want to say a wrong number yeah um it's it's a pretty good margin like it's very comparable to what we uh make on our own side so like let's will sell ours make X percentage we get like maybe 10% less from a Zumi's purchase so it's actually really really good yeah to beon what's cool about the zumies deal is like they buy in bulk or whatever so it's really like obviously they buy it from you yeah so we get money up front basically mean like if we like obviously we'll never do this Zoomies we promise but like we love you um but like if we technically could just be like all right thank you and just not post anything about it and not have it so or like promo it buy it we never do that though yeah and do you give zumies like a special design so that like only they sell those designs God or specific colorways colorways Unique Designs or they'll get designs first or anything like that and also zumies is now the only place that you can get our merch with like when we're not dropping because we usually like drop our Merch online for like two days at a time every other month every other month so the rest of the seven weeks that we're not dropping that's the only spot you can get explore merch so that's what's really cool about and it's cool just to say that we are in like I think it's correct me if I'm wrong 650 stores it's yeah and we're we're storefront in at least like 50% of them right now yeah like our faces are plastered on the front of the store that's got to be so walk you guys just did that right like a couple days ago you were yeah that was last night you were walking through trying to find Zoomies that just like showed you the Vegas Fashion Mall actually really so if you go to that Zoomies you'll see just like sermonized giant faces like you should go there and like sign the bottom of it and just have people go and they can like see it you know it's a full circle moment someone will steal that though if you sign it someone will just take it it's kind of a full circle Moment Like especially with the Oak Park Mall like where we first started now we're our faces are plastered on there so even though we can't legally go in there we're still in there sool it's a very gratifying feeling and merch is definitely you know it was always part of our business but within the last like year since we did it all ourselves and we like really tried to push the quality of it has now become like our our biggest piece of business yeah that's your if you were to draw Pi with percentages no numbers but just percentages can you say like what these percentages look like from different areas uh AdSense and merch are close but merch is still a bigger piece of the pie yeah but between AdSense and merch I would say both of those are probably 70% I feel like you need a Ouija board that you guys sell we tried to sell that a long time ago we did like uh we did like just a custom amount right it was like 100 or something yeah took one it might be making a comeback we don't know yeah so that's a collector's item so for like real fans if they have one of a hundred of the Ouija board that it's got to be worth some money right yeah yeah it kind of depends on if people even want it or not too because we didn't know how big the market was for in selling like a Ouija board to like a young audience too is kind of like you're opening a portal yeah there a moral wrong thing that in a warning in there all accidents start happening out of nowhere it's like maybe it's cursed exactly so there's a lot of like those little logistic things where we're like we haven't pulled the trigger on that yet but we've thought about it for sure yeah we thought about it we didn't even bring up the Cinemark thing but just congratulations on that as well that was 168 16 theaters you guys sold out or something right yeah so we didn't sell out the entire theaters but in each theater we would have screenings that were completely sold out and then they would just add another screen oh God that's I mean that's that's insane and you were the first YouTubers to ever do something like that right there was some uh people that like tested it but I think that was the most successful one that Cinemark did yeah I don't want to name drop here if I'm wrong but Jack septica Jack sepai did one like a month before we did there was like um yes Theory did a very small version of a tour of it but I think we were the first people to like you know do it all Nationwide have they hit you guys up and they're like hey we want to like keep doing these m yeah has anyone ever approached you for a movie and just said hey we want to buy the rights to have you guys act in you know we want to do this horror special we had offers before but we've always turned down acting positions especially in movies and especially if it was in um haunted just because like if we act in haunted yeah how can we like a docu series it's like them following you guys around could be the reason why Sony Studios want something yeah yeah the reason why like our videos are so authentic is because we are the only people that go in like it's just me Co a camera and then whoever our guests are the first time we ever had any like team member on was this coning series because we needed someone to go get food and like go get the guests we were there for a week we were there for a week but other than that it's always just me Colby a camera and whoever is our guest um because we don't want the producers other people cameramen all in there because that just you know ruins the experience or that makes people think oh maybe someone's pulling a string or something but like the super just run and Gun like lowbudget stuff is the the whole backbone of our channel YouTube If a Netflix were to come to you they'd have a crew of like 30 people and it would be cool like a food truck outside like catering stations yeah that's what I don't understand is like people in our comments are just like oh my God these guys should like be on Netflix should be in like movies or whatever and we're were like we want to be like right here this never been a success when people try to go into more Main yeah from YouTube plus like what's the benefit of like like everything that we wanted is in this YouTube thing and we have full control over it so like we're in the best position possible so like well I move it's it's a happy life it's just the name like people think like oh they're on Netflix like you made it whatever for some reason name is still there though it is there's why not just throw Sam Kobe in cmark instead of on Netflix you know we can just do the same things also think YouTube like prediction and it's already happening but like over the next 5 10 years YouTubers are going to get like massive respect cuz it's turning into like a TV show I feel like everybody has their own show now where you have to have some sort of production to like really get like a lot of views and stuff so like I think slowly like older heads like older people are like realizing like oh wait YouTube is the future like we should take this seriously there was zero respect 10 years ago for a youber but Mr Beast changed that game toally completely like after Mr Beast and especially the launch of like I know Mr Beast Berger didn't do too well like now or whatever but like when he first like launched that febles like that was huge for big corporations being like wait he's selling like that much he's a YouTuber happy Dad all like the big corporations people are taking YouTubers seriously especially the power yeah yeah cool all right is there anything else you guys want to say or thanks for having us on guys foring on incred fun I really appreciate it I'm taking a look at the healthy gamer how long that one was I just want to see records here oh yeah we do we do trim so we do cut out someu oh his was 246 oh wait so are we film for long are we setting our record right now coer is long Bret Cooper dang regardless gr we yeah I just want to see just really quickly I know we cut out some after you cut out the boring Parts it'll probably be like an hour minutes so it depends how much we cut of this why what are we at right now bread Coopers was 3 hours minutes that's the longest episode we've ever done we probably film with her three and a half and then cut out you know some stuff yeah so we'll see this might be our longest episode well even if not thanks for having us on it was fun thank you so much for coming on boys oh tell everyone to subscribe so we beat Caleb Hammer oh yeah subscribe whoever that Caleb guy is ignore him subscribe right now we're beat him to a million subscribe for Jake subscribe for Jake thank you guys and until next time