Rochester Selectboard - August 10, 2026 [ROS]

recording and unmute and you are good to go. >> Good evening everyone. Welcome to the select board meeting on uh August 10th, 2026. It is 5:00 pm. We have posted the agenda for this meeting in three different places around town. We have posted it on our website and we have emailed interested parties. Therefore, I feel as though we're all set conforming to the open meeting law and we can proceed with our meeting. I have read over the prior meeting minutes from our meeting that was July 27th, 2026. And I have watched Orca as well. And um I found no real corrections to anything on the minutes. So if anybody else has something to say about the meeting minutes, I can move that we accept them as written. >> Second. >> All in favor for approving the minutes from July 27th, 2026, say I. I. >> I. We're going to move into our departmental reports. Do we have Drew on? I >> Okay, remind me if he comes back in later. >> Somebody remind me if Drew comes in because I didn't see him last time. >> Okay. >> Well, I didn't either. Right. Um, >> grant updates. >> Um, no, I don't have any. >> Well, let's move on to the highway department. Uh mowers will be here tenatively next week. Oh, >> nice. This time >> and tomorrow we're going to start the Maple Hill issue. >> Okay. And >> and Maple Hill will be closed from time to time and as per duration >> completely closed. >> Don't know. >> Yep. >> No problem. Is your neck feeling better? >> Excuse me? >> Is your back feeling better? >> Your back feeling better? >> Uh, days it does. Days it doesn't. Right now it's a good moment. >> Okay. Well, we'll take that as a >> When I get to the bottom of the stairs, it could be a bad moment. >> Do we have a date for Corey Hill for paving? >> No. >> Okay. They probably all going to happen at the same time so we can see how fast I can go from one side of town to the other. >> Um, you were happy with what the state came back with for you were happy with what the state came back with for Maple Hill. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I think >> enough happy enough to be enough. >> It's different. >> I'll answer that question in five years. >> All right. Okay, thank you. Roadside mowing, everyone. Be careful on the roads. There could be a tractor right around the corner. Um, library updates. >> I don't have anybody on team. >> We've not heard from them in quite a while. >> Um, okay. Select board updates. I just have a couple tidbits um related to the Hannes project, the slope stabilization project on uh Route 100 South. Um the bid was awarded to Walker Construction at $28,195. We are in the process of requesting additional grant funds to cover the higher cost of both engineering and construction. So, um we are in the midst of that at this point in time. Um, we are hopeful and anticipate that the figure that we're asking for will be met because this was awarded two or three years ago. So, um, the cost of construction, they understand the cost of construction goes up. And so, um, it sounded promising that we would be able to make the two meet one another. Um there was a notation made of um grass not being trimmed around the generator down at the school and um I have made arrangements for that to be done. I don't anticipate it needs to be done on a weekly basis or anything. It just needs to be done once or twice a year. So um it has just recently been uh weed whack trimmed right down. So we should be good for the rest of the year there. Um, that was done by Hawk North. And number three, >> thanks. >> Tomorrow is voting day. It's primary voting day. So, if you're listening to this tonight, if you're on, come on in and vote. Um, voting for the primary is important, more important than the election, because if you don't like who you're voting for on election day, it's because you didn't come to the primary. So, that's my that's my rant for today about voting. I'm I'm a strong person on voting. That is it for me. >> I don't have anything. Um >> you have plenty coming up. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um to Rivers is having um is planning their second and last meeting on the area plan. The first one was several weeks ago now at Pierce Hall. Um so they don't have a date or a location for that yet. Um, but we will let you know. Um, I have received the reports from the, um, urban and community forester about the trees. I haven't looked at them yet because I've had other things to do um, this week. Um, so I will have an update on that at our next meeting on the 24th or the first meeting in September. That's what I got. Okay, we'll keep working. Utilities department updates. Well, I think you figured out what's wrong with the sewer. So, get it fixed this week. I'm hoping >> down at tennis courts. >> No. >> Okay. Did >> definitely cuz it calls every night, but it's gone at the same time. >> Yeah. And you'll miss it when it's gone. >> Yeah, you will. >> 76 calls last night. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. So, were you able to figure this out yourself or did you were you able? >> Yeah, so far. >> Okay. So, you're not going to need to hire >> I tried them by error. So, >> yeah. >> And I talked to a couple people. So, >> all right. Well, >> good work. >> We'll see. >> There's been a lot of talk about um programs, water department programs. >> I get a lot of that. It made me think, oh, maybe all those calls were just somebody trying to scam it. >> The other thing, too, is we think about taking over the basement guards for the water and sewer department so I can spread my stuff out. Yeah. >> Um, well, >> because I got stuff around the backside of the pump house, which they don't weed whack at all, and that and it's all buried in grass now that should be inside. >> Do we still have a pump in this basement now? Yeah. Two. >> Two. Oh, we still have two. Awesome. Um, after our renovations are over. >> Um, so you're talking about just using it for storage. >> Well, I'd like to put a few shelves in there so you know can spread stuff out and see what you got and so you could go pick it out in a hurry, you Well, the reason I'm asking is uh as part of the whole MERP uh you know upgrades to this building um there is a you know ADA component to that and we are going to improve the bathroom here in the meeting room. Um but uh you know part of limiting the the need to do more ADA work was to say that the basement is a basement and it's not being occupied. >> Well, it won't be it just be storage. >> Yeah. Well, that's that's why I'm asking >> because get the electric door fixed and put the code in so nobody could get in. >> Yeah. >> Your point is we couldn't use it as an office. >> Right. Right. >> But you can put stuff there. No, I don't want it for that. I just want >> He wants to have a place. >> Got copper pipe and I got shut off valves and and they're all just >> hanging out. >> It's hard to find them. >> It's just, you know, you got to you got to have the stuff because, you know, when broke, >> you can't take the time to run the rut one to get something. >> Yeah. No argument there. Uh I mean, we might need to make you some room down there. There's it's pretty cluttered space, but um I don't see any reason why that's not doable. >> Fine with me. >> Yeah, it makes sense to have it all on spot. >> But let's get the Burp renovations done first. >> Are you talking the basement or the garage? >> Yeah. No, I'm talking the garage. I ain't going to do anything in the garage, are they? >> No. >> I thought you were talking the basement here. You're talking >> No, right there is a basement. So that's where >> Yeah. >> Well, it's still >> where we used to park the ambulance. >> Still part of the basement, I think. >> Not really. You haven't got any access now. This door's been screwed shut going out in there. >> Oh, okay. All right. Well, >> and >> I think there's even a piece of insulation up over it now. So, you can't There's no access set for the outside. >> Okay. Well, forget everything I said then. That's where >> I think um Frank boarded that off to keep heat going into the garage, >> right? But screwed shut, so there's no access unless >> Yeah. Okay, that's easy then. >> I I'm okay with you using that space and doing what you need do need to do to make that space usable, but I will defer to the rest of them. >> And are you saying that the garage door is not functional either? it. You can't lock it or anything, the overhead door. But I The reason I'm asking is because we're having we got one firehouse door. It's got a mind of its own. It only works when it feels like it. >> Wait, >> shut up. >> Is there someone on the department that's good about operating the door at the firehouse? I'm just curious. >> No. >> Do you? So the advice is to make it a >> have come to fix one and get him to do both. >> Well, he could have he's just giving you credit. >> So while he's here to fix that, you think he can tag team over here, >> right? >> Yeah, >> because he's going to pay for the service call anyway. >> Is that door worth saving? >> Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it as >> Okay. >> I don't know whether the opener still or not, but you know, they can check it all out and there's nothing wrong with the door. >> Okay. It's a metal door, right? >> Yeah, it's insulated door. >> Yeah, I remembered it. Okay. >> And I just paid for it out of the water and sewer department. >> Yep. >> And that's for the repairs. We won't charge you rent for the space. So, is this something you're going to do? >> Can you have alcohol down there? >> Probably. Yeah. Well, >> we used to. >> Sorry. >> There was a time. So, I'm just asking him how soon he's going to do this >> because we've been using the garage for the returnable bottles and cans. >> Is and the the food shelf people are are not >> they're not down. >> They were never in the garage. >> They're they were in the basement. >> Their freezer is gone and everything. >> Not think that they have a freezer in the basement, but it's not in the garage area. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. But they they come down through the stairs here to go in there. No, there's a door down here anymore. >> No, they know the code to the door down here. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Um, >> your question, Nancy, is will there be room for the bottles and cans? >> There won't be. >> There won't be. Okay. So, you're you're requesting assistance finding somewhere else to keep those? >> There isn't another place to keep it. So, we'll be high school. We will not be collecting bottles any longer. >> Period. >> Okay. I think in the how are we going to several years that we've been doing it, we have raised the several years that we have been collecting those bottles, we have um we've collected a lot of money and done a lot of things for the town. >> Yeah. I mean, how are we going to train people not to bring their bottles? >> They'll just go into the trash. There's not another place in town where we can put bottles. >> Well, the convenience of it being here trailer >> and you just take them right over when it's full. >> You mean like a pull along trailer, not like a >> not once people have done it once, they don't want to do it again. >> Meaning like once somebody >> they don't want to collect the bottles a second time. So, it's foolish people like Bruce and me that come every Saturday. So, we'll get our Saturdays back. >> Would it be feasible for you to use the old firehouse? >> Not really. I don't I don't want everybody to be able to get in there. Plus, >> John for his parts in the winter time. >> That would cost a lot more money to fix up. This has just helped us because we could just go right in there and then get it out of there. >> Mhm. And we can't share the space and make both things happen. >> Probably not. >> No. The time I bring all the stuff up there, it's going to be If you're going to do it that way, then I might as well not move and just cuz you're going to pile it on top of each other and still not going to be able to find. >> How about put a little shed over there? >> Yeah. I mean, is there is there another >> part of the basement that we can use for the bottles? >> You don't want them in the You don't want them. >> How long do they stay before they leave? >> Yeah. How big of a space do you use? >> We use the whole thing. >> How frequently are they redeemed? >> When it's full, >> we redeem them as quickly as we can. So, it's a combination of like it really only makes sense if you can leave them here because otherwise you're carting them all over the place. So, the question is, is there a space here other than >> can we find not in this building? There isn't. >> What about the old >> No, it's okay. We'll just stop >> side. >> How would they get in there? Through the back door. They're the back door. >> I missed the first sentence. >> The veterans um if we collected them on this side, >> they don't meet down there anymore. They're up here. >> It's not going to be very handy to get bottles and cans out of. >> And I don't think you really want the bottles in the building. >> The garage is one thing. >> Shed. >> Yeah, >> definitely shed. >> Kristen's volunteering to build a shed over there. Wait. I mean, I could, but guaranteed the snow's not going to go. >> Find a good enclosed trailer, a fairly good size one that you can all couple weeks inside. >> How soon do you want to move your stuff? He said couple weeks. >> Well, within a month because the weather's going to start changing for a door down the firehouse. I need to get it fixed because if it doesn't shut and we go to a call, you can't afford to leave that door open. So, can we say keep collecting bottles for a couple of weeks and we can figure out if see if we can brainstorm something that would work? >> Yeah. I mean, we would we would keep collecting them, >> right? >> We're running into the kids, the school kids that are looking to have days of bottles, too. So, >> they'll just have to go down to we just have they'll just have to tell people to go down to the school. So, what I'm saying is it's can we keep things as they are for at least a couple of weeks if you if this guy's not going to be here before the 24th. >> No, we say like we only shoot like first September. >> Okay. So, maybe we can see see if we can't think of something and bring it to the bring it to the 24th as an option. But I would say yes, have your guy come and fix the door. >> Yeah, you can come fix the door >> because either because you can the space can be yours and we can find another way. >> Not really. There's so much works. >> There's so much stuff in there they can't get to the opener >> right now. They got set a ladder up in there. >> Okay, >> we'd have to put a ladder up in there anyway. >> There's so many >> bottles. I've never been in the space. >> There's only bottles in there, >> right? Sorry. Plus two pumps. >> Yeah, those aren't in the way of getting the step off. >> Um, is there any chance that we can redeem the bottles that are in there before the 24th? >> Um, >> you can say no. >> It's not It's not as easy as it might sound. >> No, it's hard. That's why I was asking >> because we have to find people with trucks who can help us do it. So, and then where we take them, they had an accident and so they're backing they're backing up and not letting us bring them over. >> Where do you usually bring them, >> Brandon? >> Yeah. >> And they um um they don't have any room over there to take them now. They >> But they will. >> So maybe if go if your guys not going to be here before the 24th anyway, give us a couple weeks to think about it and if we can come up with something before or at the next meeting. Yep. >> 8:24 is two weeks. Two weeks. >> Well, it was a good thing while it worked. >> We'll find a way to make it work out. >> It is not easy to return. >> It's not easy and it's messy and you just can't even believe. >> Well, is it something that you want to continue to do? >> Well, we were going to do it. Continue it. >> All right. Yep. It's It's just >> I mean, somebody's always looking for money. >> Yeah. >> And that's what we've been doing is >> But as long as you you want to continue to do it. >> Yeah. You know, we we agreed that we would we would do it. Not that we knew about this, but we don't like dealing with people's garbage. And these We have to go through the >> We picked up the parking lot yesterday. What happened yesterday? >> Trash. Bear trash out in the parking lot yesterday. >> Naughty. >> Did we call it into Fish and Wildlife? >> I didn't know. I didn't even know about it. I didn't see it. >> There was a small pile on the side. There was a a couple bags and one bag was ripped. >> We don't know who does that. >> Leaves the bags. You mean >> somebody comes to them? >> There's someone who comes in on Thursday or Friday. >> This was This was yesterday. was dragged from somebody's a big >> No, no, it was left here. >> The trash bags were left here and then something got into them. >> So they were >> So the other thing was there is somebody that left probably five big bags of basically garbage down back. >> We got their salad bag. >> That's where we need to put up. I think I know who it is >> just by what they drink. >> You get to know people's habits down here. >> I don't drink anymore. So, yeah. Right. >> All right. Let's move on to VHI management updates. Do you have something more interesting than this to talk about? >> Pretty interesting. I >> know. I love it when we're off script like that. So, our focus is getting the phase one construction started as soon as possible. Um, and last time we met two weeks ago, we talked about two different ways to go with this. One is to take a significant amount of cost out of the project and items that would have to be done some point in the future, but if we could take them out now and get the uh the gap to close down to about $130,000, uh that would be a way to go. But the downside risk of that is we're still going to need at least some of those items in the future anyway. And if it's a significant change in the design, that would have to go back to USDA for architectural review, which is a black hole of time. We have no idea when we come out the other end of that just because their staffing reduction. That's one option. The other option is to uh choose from that list of potential cost reductions to a point where it would in fact reduce costs, but it would also leave a larger than $130,000 uh fundraising target. Um and would uh again depending on which items are chosen to take an outer cost reduction uh if they're relatively minor in terms of the design or just substituting one material for another or not doing something instead of doing something um then that would be a better option and that's that's the way we decided to go. That is the we've taken out of the cost out of the the the work to be done uh three things. one to not replace all the flooring in the in the uh classroom wing because the flooring that's there is in basically in pretty good shape. Uh secondly to replace the um the doors and the exterior doors and windows with fiberglass framing as opposed to metal framing. That saves fairly chunk good chunk of money. And the third thing is a different kind of wrap uh insulating wrap uh that would be used instead of what was originally spec. All that saves about $218,000. So the bottom line is in terms of a capital campaign to close the gap, it's $500,000 as opposed to $130,000. So far, we have verbal commitments from reliable donors pledging $250,000 towards the 500,000. So, we're on a good path. We're continuing to talk to uh additional potential donors. Um and so, we feel good about where we are right now and we're we're going to get there uh hopefully within the next couple weeks. Um that list of the cost deductions has uh it's been defined for us by Dick Robson sent to Sarah to uh Katherine and honor it to Sarah Rate and honor it to the USDA. Hopefully we'll get a response back from USDA saying that these three things do not material change the design. We don't think they would. Uh but we're waiting to hear back from USDA in terms of their agreement to that. I can't imagine that those would cause a review of the entire architectural engineering plan. >> Does the uh change in the insulation have any effect on the R value that you're going to get? >> It's it's from what I understand it's a it's a less No, it's a less expensive way of accomplishing the same thing. It's a different material, but >> okay. >> The R value has not changed. So, so far so good. >> Well, I think you're smart to limit how much you need to get out of the USDA. >> Yeah. >> Um, I mean, it's not even just time. It's like, you know, are they going to rethink the whole thing? Right. >> Right. We're doing what we can. Keep plugging away. >> Okay. Um, I'm everything's happy, camps are happy, people are happy, exercise groups are happy. Um, as we roll towards the end of the summer and into the fall, um, we're going to start having a regular opening, you know, Monday through Friday, the building will most likely be open like 8 to 1. Um, because people have expressed a lot of interest about using our Wi-Fi. um you know and so we most likely will have some sort of remote workspace up and running fairly soon. Um and then we'll have those reliable open time so people can come in if they have questions. You know, it'll be more like an open office type >> incubator sort of thing. >> So I'll have more information about that fairly soon. >> Cool. >> Thank you. >> Well, we're ready to move into new business now. energy coordinator. >> He is there. I don't think he has anything to say. >> Yep, he is here. Um he's muted if you have anything. He He's remaining silent. >> Okay. >> Oh, he gave me thumbs up. He's good to go. >> Okay. Thank you. So under new business we have uh first this signed fiscal year 27 better roads grant um agreement. This grant is designated to improve Austin Hill Road which is town highway number 33. It is in the amount of uh 20,000. Is that what I saw >> right there? >> $20,000. Um, this is this this grant needs to be spent by uh September 30th, 2027. And we do have to match a $5,000 um either cash or in kind, which means uh work towards it. And um so, uh this is a um kind of an annual thing that we're very grateful for. And with that money, we will be doing uh ditching on the side of the road on the side of Austin Hill. So, um, >> the, uh, you've seen this, folks. You've seen this on other roads. >> And so, it it will have nice big ditches on each side with lots of stone in it. So, come down Austin Hill nice and careful in the winter. >> Ditching both sides, only the bottom part. Is that what you said? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You're not going all the way up. >> No. >> Yep. >> Not for 20 grand. No. >> Yeah. That's not going to get you that far. Uh so I move that uh we sign the acceptance of this grant. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> And I am just going to sign signature. You can fill out the rest, right? >> Yes, please. Thank you. Next on our list is permission to use parking lot for hazardous waste day September 26th from 9 to 1. Um this is an annual event. It's exciting. Um, you can bring in your tarpentine cans and not no tires, but there's a whole list of things that you can bring in that could probably be advertised in your weekly message. Um, so that people know that uh they can bring this stuff in. It's typically items that are not really allowed to be thrown in the landfill. So, it's a very good program. And um do we need the constable there for this event? Isn't this the one that we had to had the constable in there? >> I think it is. >> So we will let him >> need the constable >> for >> because it's hazardous waste. If somebody starts getting mad and throws something stuff around >> the flow the flow too >> Yeah. instead of a food >> because of the two different um with waste being picked up uh or trash being picked up and recycling and it's all the same time. >> Yep. >> It's already crazy enough. >> Yeah. And the hazardous is like they're very particular about like the way that you come in, you sit in your car, they take it out, and they just want to make sure that they have someone here. >> And they'll be over on this side. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So as not to interfere with the trash, >> right? So that's more of an announcement. Um, we do grant permission for them to come aboard. There's nothing really for me to sign to sign it actually. So I can back. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I think it is it did it. Did you sign it? He just asked for signatures. Got it. Sign a change order for Peak Mechanical. >> Yes. Uh can I actually >> Yes, you can have the next three actually >> quote the correct amount. >> Three. Yep. Those are all yours. >> Okay. >> Just taking it from here. >> All right. So, um, yeah. Okay. So, this change order is for the the mechanical contractor who is doing the work here in the town office. Um there's been an engineering analysis done and the the the change to a um uh a heat pump uh heating and cooling system here is going to require an upgrade to the electrical service. We have a 100 amp service here. uh 200 amp service is really what's considered to be a modern uh level of of of service um anyway and would allow for other things to to be done here electrically in the building if we ever needed to in the future. But it's we need it um in order to to do the project uh for the HVAC um improvements to this building. And the amount of the change order is uh $7,035. >> So that's that one. >> Well, shall we vote on it? >> Um yes, I believe we should. Um, I will make a motion that uh we accept this change order to upgrade our uh electrical service uh here in the town office from 100 amps to 200 amps uh to uh peak mechanical in the amount of $7,35. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. Guess this is a good practice for me. Don't forget >> you're not practicing, you're doing. >> All right. So, um the second contract that uh we're going to discuss here is for construction management services at the town garage. We are the this is again part of the uh the merc upgrades uh to some of our town facilities uh to increase their efficiency and hopefully reduce their operating cost. Um we are we are in the process of of still uh finalizing the scope of that work in the garage but it's mostly going to be um attic insulation. Um and uh you know we want to hire the same firm that is going to do the construction management here in the town office to also do the work uh to oversee the work in the town garage. Um their uh their contract amount uh to do that construction oversight at the town garage is for $11,400. So, I will uh not any discussion. I will entertain a motion to approve this contract. >> I'll motion. I'll move it. I move that we approve this contract. >> Okay. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Thank you. >> I have a question >> here. >> Are these change orders coming out of the grant that >> Yes. that was originally. >> Yes, they were. They are reimbursible under the grant. Um, no no town money is going to need to go into this. >> You could just sign the bottom of the first page. >> Okay. So the uh the final contract that we want to discuss uh is to upgrade the lighting in the town garage. Um some of the the lighting in the garage has already been upgraded to LEDs which are substantially uh more efficient and the most efficient lighting that is available in the market these days. Um but there are still some old uh fluorescents in certain parts of the of the building. Um so um this contract would be to upgrade those remaining lights that are not currently LED uh to LEDs. Um this uh this contract is with Gearwire Electric um and they're doing the same uh lighting upgrade here in the office. Uh they've been very responsive so far. Um the uh amount of the contract to upgrade the the lighting in the town garage is uh $14,850. So if uh there's no discussion, uh do we have a motion to approve this contract? >> Let's make CTER's life brighter. >> Yes. I move we approve this contract. >> I second. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay. Okay. Let me sign this and then I think I take it back again. 8 10 26. Okay. Now we move on to three requests to cater permit. Um, I'm going to address all three at the same time because they come from the same catering company. Vermont Mobile Two Two different >> Vermont Mobile Spirits. Okay. Yes. Two at the same time. Um, Vermont Mobile Spirits. This is Jessica Foster's uh little um liquor catering trailer. Um, and so she would like to um be able to cater and we don't need to actually approve these, right? We just need to make note of them. There's no place for me to sign it. >> There's Right. It's just to to be aware the liquor commission >> typically in the past I've always done them, but I feel like now that there's become more there there were so few and far between before. Now there's getting to be. I think they should come before you all. The first one is for an event that is going to be held at uh the Sunshine Valley Berry Farm and that's going to be it's an open house from 4 to 8:00 p.m. on August 15th coming right up. Um and uh we would be welcoming this is the new owners welcoming us to come see and we should go and welcome them to our community as well. Um I support it. So, I move that uh this event uh which would be over by 8 8 in the evening um at the Sunshine Bairy Farm. I move that uh we accept >> Can I ask a question first? I'm a little unclear. >> So, they're they're having an event on their on their property. >> Yes. >> Well, I I guess I don't understand what they're hiring this catering business to come and serve alcohol. Okay. >> During the event, so the town has to approve it. >> I got it. Thank you. >> Yeah. And it's a young lady from Pittsville. She has a trailer and she has a liquor license to do this, but she needs to get permits when she goes. >> Got it. Thank you. >> And um so I move that we accept this for August 15th. Um there is one correction here. It says it starts Saturday, August 15th. >> Like that, but this is what they have on their permit. ends on Sunday the 16th at 8:00 p.m. >> They they had it all. >> No, I checked it for verification. It's 8:00 p.m. on the same day. >> It's not the same. >> So, let me change strike that. >> I think they were using that for cleanup day or something after. Not there was no liquor license, so it should be pretty defined on when the liquor is going to be served, not necessarily when the cleanup's done. >> Right. But we do want them to clean up if there's any bomb private property. Um, so where was I? I move that we approve this application to cater liquor alcohol at the Sunshine Berry Farm on August 15th. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I. >> And I'll sign this back here just because may need a signature. 8 10 26. The next one is the same situation with um the same person, but the location is now going to be on the Rochester Green. This is for the >> It says that on there, but we should strike it because that's not where they're going to set. This is the Park House pig roast. >> So, we're It's >> It's right here. >> They have a >> They want to put it on the road. Is that what we're saying? They have a and if and we can ask Drew to clarify this because I don't think there's anybody else here who can officially. Um they're setting off a cordoned area on their private property. >> So should >> the park house >> the park house is going to set it up on their private property. So it does say on there, Julie, Rochester Green. So we should strike that. >> I did say to them that there's no alcohol allowed on the green. >> And it's we've Julie has clarified it with them several times. So that's like just a typo. Okay. >> What is the address for the park? >> Yes. Um, so I move that we approve this uh cater permit to serve alcohol liquor at uh 16 Park Row in Rochester on August 22nd from 2:30 to 6:30 p.m. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> We're going to party in Rochester, >> but we're not done yet. We have one more. This is a special events permit. So, this one is not liquor related. >> Portland Beer Works. >> Yeah, it is. >> It is beer works. This is It's beer, but yeah, not liquor, but beer. um 99 North Main Street. Um is that Dun's Place? >> And um so it'll be down behind the bike shop around the pizza oven area. And um it says beer served from a 10x10 branded branded tent with patrons allowed to drink in a roughly 30 by 90 foot area for the event. In other words, you're going to drink, you're going, if you have something to drink, you're going to hang out there and drink it. We're not walking around town with it. Um because it's outdoors and it's in the village. >> Same with the park street park house. So, um I move that we approve this event. Sounds like fun. >> Second. >> All in favor? I I >> I. >> This one goes until from 4:30 to 9:30. Get us go now. Okay. Um, that does it for new business for us. We do have a couple things under old business. Um, number 10, amend the town of Rochester facility use policy. Um, >> I can do this if you hand it to me. >> Yeah. Um, so this is the form that people fill out if they want to use um the hub this conference room or Riverside Park um for alcohol for alcohol. >> Yeah. Okay. I have a whole other half a sentence coming out my mouth. um if they want uh to use alcohol. Um the change that is on here is the al under all circumstances the service of alcohol beverages requires must be provided by a third party vendor holding a valid Vermont Department of Liquor and Lottery license including submitting proof of licensing. So that is true. Um however that is only possible at the hub or Riverside Park. It is not an option that we provide for this conference room. Um, and that was the way it was intended when uh Chad proposed this back in October of 25. Um, but the facility use policy didn't make that clear. So on the back page on page two of three, we are just adding a sentence so that the bul full bullet now reads, "The service of alcoholic beverages is only permitted at the Valley Hub or Riverside Park. All alcohol must be provided by a third-party vendor holding a valid Vermont Department of Liquor and Lottery license. Proof of licensing must be submitted with the facility use agreement. So, any questions? I would >> very clear. >> Thank you. I would move that we approve this revised policy with many thanks to Julie. >> Secondary. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Um, so we do have to sign this. >> Thank you. >> And lastly on our old business list, um, we have a discussion item. Um, park area across from Skip Marting. Who would like to start this discussion? I did not place it on the agenda. So, >> we're back where we were a year ago. >> Yes. >> When Huda found some wonderful bright red sign to put out there to keep people from parking on on the park. They're back parking on the park. >> Not just there. I mean, we're all by the park house today. trucks pulled in there and the bikes took the bikes off and went right. >> There were three cars parked on the park today on my way over to the >> Well, these were two trucks right down. >> Two trucks on the park and one in the right way on Park Row, which is not the area that you're talking about. >> No, but they parked drove in right beside the sign says no parking. >> Yes, they did. Oh, where are these people seem to be going? >> They're riding bikes. >> The other people >> I came up through town just there taking their bikes off the trucks. So, >> Mhm. >> fun fact cuz I had to be changing a bandage. >> Um, >> and then this one right away. >> A letter should be put on a truck saying next time they're here, they be told. >> I did walk over. Nobody was in the trucks, so I could not tell them. But, um, that that letter needs to come from our constable. the um >> yeah, >> we can we can notify um Ridgeline Outdoor Collective to make notes that parking on the park is >> I'm not sure that those trucks had anything to do with >> Well, it's an avenue that we could take. Um also, Green Mountain bikes. Um >> their constable wait for parking tickets. >> They can't give tickets. Our constables are do not enforce. They don't have the authority to enforce the >> We could put letters on the truck saying they could be told >> they we could put embarrassing stickers on them or something. >> I have a question because the ordinance places says they can >> they don't have any authority to write a ticket. >> So the the ordinance was written when we had a constable that had authority ticket. >> The other side of it is you got two trucks sitting there and you got the sheriff's department sitting right beside it. I I did I did think about asking you, but I was already late. >> Um, >> that that we can do. That we can do. Well, they're here during their shift. >> Can we can we get a form letter signed by a constable since the constable can't write a ticket, but is the named enforcement officer for the park ordinance? Can we get a form letter signed by the constable and just leave the copy here and then if people are parked we can put it under the >> Thank you. Um right so that it is coming from the named enforcement officer. >> Who are we? >> Whoever's wandering through the town with some authority from it. >> Okay. >> Um so us them not them. >> No the constiples are in town. One of them works at the bike shop. No, >> but I mean >> that would be a good one to start with. >> That is the that's the name enforcement officer. We don't have a way for them to collect fines anymore, but it would at least be coming from the right person. Um it's and it's I would do it on a just on a if you're passing by and you see somebody so illegally parked. I don't know that that addresses your concern with the cones or something. >> No, that doesn't the other side of the park. >> I think you could put signs six feet apart >> still. Yeah. get between them. >> We can plant hostas all the way around the park. >> I have a cabin in Vermont. >> We I have seen these growing pains in the last 20 years when they developed Kingdom Trails in East Burke, Vermont, a town about the size of Hancock. And I've seen the growing pains that they've gone through and now I'm starting to see them happening here. Mhm. So, we need new sidewalks with bike paths attached to them all around town to begin with. More parking. >> A whole parking lot down the road. >> More places. >> There wasn't any vehicles on the whole front side of that park. >> Otherwise, they'll be tenting at the fields. >> That was a weird choice that they made. >> Okay, so not that weird. They don't need to park on the park, >> but they don't read the signs even that they park. >> They have plenty of signs on the park that say no parking. >> No, there are not plenty. >> Um, >> there's plenty of signs on the park. >> It's true though. There was plenty of parking there. >> So, we get a form letter signed by the constable to be left hereish for people with some official authority from the town to hand out as they wander through. um notify Ridgeline, notify Green Mountain Bikes, and I'll write up something you can send out in the email. Um and then I would I would say that we either need to get our constables the ability to write the ticket because that's what the ordinance says or >> going to have that kind of training >> or the ordinance does say other law enforcement officials. So >> I think right the sheriffs can be notified. I think Windsor County said that they can if there's an ordinance or >> then your it's just like kind of like what they and I don't know for sure like I know with the animal control they said they can be trained >> to write >> so whether the constable can be trained through the sheriff's department >> how to fill out a civil >> so I would say let's >> table that and answer that question at sometime in the future when we have less to do but maybe in the short term We can say to the sheriff, >> I don't need you to go out of your way and spend all of your time giving parking tickets. But if you happen to be parked on the park as they were today, please feel free to give parking tickets on the park, provided that our ordinance, you think our ordinance gives you enough authority to do it. The enforcement of the ordinance, the the named enforcement officers are constable or other law enforcement officers. >> Yes, that's what it says. So that would be my pitch. >> We would need to just get a copy of that over to Windsor County. Yep. So we could do that. >> I I would I would phrase it as say and I can help you with this, but like ask the sheriffs to notice but not go out of their way to be spending their time with the parking tickets per se to ticket. If they notice, >> they will actually probably want to know what our uh fine fees are. >> Yeah. And it's in the ordinance. I think it's 100 bucks. >> 100 bucks parking ticket. >> And I'm not I will look, but I don't think a warning is required before assessing that fee. >> And then we still have to address NY's. >> Yeah, it still doesn't address NY's question about the corner by Skip Mart. >> He probably has a use for those big signs right now. >> What were the signs, Cooter? I don't remember. >> They were signs. They're just big >> saw horses with signs on them. >> Those big red markers. >> Oh, like the kind you put up when like a road is closed. >> Yeah. Is >> Yeah, they were saw horses. >> You think they were saw horses? >> We got them. We can put them up, but it's not going to cure the problem. >> And it's not that good looking. >> They stop the problem. It's not going to fix the cause, >> right? >> Did it Did they work? I don't remember them. >> No, not all the time. People drive around them, park behind them. >> Don't laugh. Some of them are farmer market people I saw do that. >> No, >> I am on their case all the time. They don't listen to me either. >> I mean, we grow up, but it's not >> I can help with that. >> It's not a cure. >> We will see. >> I'll buy you a hat. >> No. Oh, yes. >> Look out. >> We're getting >> We're getting married in a hat. I'm going to dress like a minion. It will be honored. Um I I What do you want to do about the corner by skate park? >> Well, if people are parking there, are they killing the trees? >> So, fun fact, yes. Anytime that you are parking within a tree root protection zone, you are stressing the tree by compacting the soil. I would have to go and look at that corner of the park to confirm what the deal is with the trees. One of the most stressed trees in the park is a maple on that corner. It's one of the trees that we did You know >> a full assessment for >> signs public parking. >> You mean like the blue >> down at the hub? Public parking. >> People may be parking there because people parking all over the park next to trees all around the park as well. So it's like this is >> you also got the whole wreck area down there nobody uses hardly at all. So, in answer to your first question, which is to say >> um in terms of the ordinance, parking on the park is allowed for special events and anytime you park on the park, it stresses the trees. And so, the point that the tree guy made was not that you should never touch your trees ever. It is that with any public space, you have to balance the the cost and the benefits of how you're using that space. Um that's so the answer is yes. Parking in the tree root protection zone stresses the tree >> cloud over there from the um skip last year. >> Um >> so we didn't have salt coming over there. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Really? >> I I having not seen the signs, I don't really have an opinion of how to address that corner of the park >> down in front of the cemetery all winter. >> The the signs the saw horses. >> Well, they're not really saw horses, are they? kind of >> those red and white things that you've got up on Maple Hill now. >> Oh, those are those are class three barricades and >> right >> what we had over there. They're just a class one. Stand on each end of the board across the center. >> So Nancy wants them cuz they worked. Cter said they doesn't work and Pat says they don't look nice. >> No, I don't care. >> Nancy doesn't care. Cter says they don't work and Pat says they don't look nice. >> I'll put them up. I just know that they don't this cure is a problem. It needs to be, >> you know, it's better than nothing. Some people >> in Rochester Village needs to be addressed >> to get people to park in other places than where they are parking. >> Um, this question does not have to be answered right now. How does one go about putting up >> Maybe we need to get a sign for the another signer to park and ride >> cuz people think that that is only for EVs now. >> That's that's it. That's the only people that park. >> I park there all the time. Um, is there any >> the ball field the hub? >> What is the process for putting up a road sign? If we want to put up a blue P sign >> in this instance, you're going to have to go to >> the state because it's on route 100. So then can >> No, it's not on Route 100. >> Well, where the direct is? >> Well, if he wants one that points people at the hub, it would be on Route 100. So, can I can we table the putting up a public parking sign until we can think about it and I can read some more things. But Mike says go ahead and put up the bar the barriers that don't work. >> Then you gota get find when you get permission. Then you gota get dig safe and >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm like table table the blue parking sign table it. >> You just have to do the manual labor. I don't I'm neutral. on putting up the barriers. Mike says, "Put up the barriers." Cuts is maybe. >> Oh, I just it was more aesthetically pleasing, but I'm just mulling it over. You know, >> if we were, >> you know, we might have to try a few different things before we're all satisfied with this the solution. So, you try one thing, doesn't work, come up with plan B. So throw the signs up for a couple weeks and >> some people I mean you know some people won't honor him some people probably will honor him. >> It's probably better than nothing. >> Cter do you have time or slash when can you put the signs up? >> I get them up sometime this week. >> Fine. Thank you. >> Right. The Ridgeline Outdoor Collective is in the midst of doing their uh new map. So, >> they can put a no parking sign. >> They can put a no parking area on their map at the very least. Um if we're concerned that this is bikers that are doing it, um >> there's definitely bikers today. There's no reason. >> Yeah, but it's not necessarily. >> Well, if it's >> I think somebody's >> one place to start as well. picnic table over to that corner. Now, if they move the picnic table back, maybe that would help. >> I mean, the picnic table's moving back. >> Put the port potty over there. >> Golly, help. >> Um, who would we talk to at Ridgeline? Who is doing the map? >> I can um >> or you can talk to them. >> Yeah, I can do that. >> Can you do Green Mountain bikes, too? I just donated a bunch of money for advertising so they'll listen to me. >> Can you do Green Mountain bikes, too? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Um, I'll do the sheriff if you want. >> Okay. >> My neighbor. Green Mountain Neighbor. >> And Cooter will put up the sign. >> Well, I'm glad we saved the best for last. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We uh we have a couple issues that came to the table that we did not resolve, but our ears are open and uh we will chew on it and mull it over and kick it around and see if we can come up with resolutions for some of these growing pains that we have going on. Um we do we we do have the bike trails that are being developed. This is going to be growing pains for us, but let's keep in the back of our mind that this is good for our town. >> You know, I I I think uh anybody who's parking on the park to unload a bike is probably a a road biker because there's no access. >> These are mountain bikes. >> Are they really? >> Y you were really standing right there and they parked, weren't you? >> I just coming up through when they're unloading them. >> That's funny. Okay. >> Down by the roundhouse because you can get access to the Boulder D trail forest. The forest service is a good place too. The trails right there by the forest. >> So, you know, I can definitely stress parking issues on the map so that when people at least if they have a map, they know where to go. Now, does everyone buy a map? Maybe not. Maybe whatever. But it's a start. >> It's a it's something we can act on. Um, can you ask the constable to draft us a letter? >> The first constable is on vacation, so next week I can. The second constable is home eating dinner, so I'll ask him, too. >> Okay. >> He's lucky. >> Keeping close tabs on those constables. >> Yeah, I do. >> She recruited them. >> It's up for grabs. Anybody else wants the job? So, um, that said, I think we've gone full circle and I move that we adjourn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> have you ever seen anything like that? >> Uh, not exactly, but they