RLUK Space Programme | Making space for innovation in research libraries
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The RLUK Space Programme showcases innovative transformations within research libraries that extend far beyond traditional boundaries to foster collaboration and public engagement. At the University of London, the Senate House Mega Space serves as a versatile hub integrating digital tools with hands-on activities like experimental archaeology, book binding, and mosaic work. This facility, supported by significant grants and partnerships across various institutes, houses diverse equipment ranging from 3D printers and virtual reality headsets to historical printing presses and drones. Similarly, the University of Aberdeen's Sir Duncan Rice Library has evolved into a highly sought-after environment that addresses the needs of fifteen thousand students through strategic design changes, including designated silent floors, group study booths, and inclusive collections areas curated by students to promote equality and diversity.
These evolving spaces are driven by a combination of reactive user feedback and proactive strategic planning to overcome challenges such as overcrowding, noise management, and limited resources. At Aberdeen, initial issues with mixed study types on every floor led to the conversion of second-floor areas into specialized zones, while other adaptations included installing dual monitors, adding private study corrals, and creating prayer spaces funded by charitable trusts. The programme emphasizes a balanced approach that utilizes agile, small-scale reactive changes alongside slower, long-term strategic initiatives like campus-wide space audits and curriculum transformation projects. This dual strategy ensures that libraries can adapt to seasonal academic cycles and institutional restructuring without falling into duplication or resource waste, while also exploring future possibilities such as repurposing spaces for performances and supporting community tool libraries.
Operational sustainability remains a critical component of these innovative programs, particularly regarding safety, staffing, and financial management. The maker space at the University of London requires mandatory training and inductions for users to safely operate equipment like 3D printers, with ongoing costs managed through careful budgeting that avoids over-reliance on monetization. Staffing models are intentionally collaborative and part-time rather than relying on full-time dedicated roles, as these spaces do not require constant supervision typical of high-throughput areas; relocating such specialized hubs to main libraries would significantly increase resource demands. By prioritizing user needs through surveys and student union partnerships while maintaining safety protocols, these libraries successfully balance financial constraints with the goal of creating accessible, inclusive environments that support both research innovation and community well-being.
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Thank you very much. Um I'm um I'm
Gabriel Bad from the University of
London. I um I work in the um the
digital humanities research hub and I'm
here to talk about the Senate House mega
space which we um which we manage
through the through the hub. Um, and I'm
particularly um interested in um
thinking about the sorts of
collaborations that are enabled by um by
this this space and in particular with
with libraries um for this um for this
conversation. Um so I'll start by
talking a bit about the um the sort of
genesis of the maker space and what
where it's come from which which which
is what gets us to where it uh to what
it is um if you like. Um and uh I should
I should add as a as a as a preamble
that although the the maker space is um
is managed by the digital humanities
research hub um it is not um exclusively
a digital lab. It um it involves um
various kinds of um practical and maker
and experiential activities um which is
why we call it the maker space not not
not the not the digital space or
anything like this.
Um so in terms of um in terms of
timeline the um the earliest sort of
acquisition of of equipment and and of
sort of um gathering of expertise um in
this area um actually predates the the
mega space by several years. Um in 2016
um the Institute of Classical Studies
and Institute of Historical Research um
together with some funding from the
School of Advanced Study um put together
a a center a 3D center um with various
interests including 3D imaging, 3D
printing um and various various other
things. This um 15 uh,000 pounds um
grant covered the the purchase of some
equipment, some um some fairly high
powered computing and virtual reality
headsets and and things um things of
that kind.
Um fast forward a few years to the
creation of the digital humanities
research hub which is now um a sort of
sibling to the um to the eight um other
institutes in the school of grand study
that are all humanities institutes. Um
and um a year later the um the award of
a of a capital grant from the University
of London to um to put together um a a
maker space which um there's a link on
the slide there to the um uh to to the
page describing the maker space. I'm
aware that that's not click clickable to
to those of you on on Zoom. Um, but I I
hope I've left it up on the screen long
enough that um that if you're interested
in finding it, you um you can. Um,
University of London Maker Space will
also find it in in a in a in a search
engine. Um, so this um this is the
origin of the of the equipment and the
space that that we have and I'll talk a
bit more about the equipment um in a
minute. But um firstly the um the units
that take part in the collaboration that
has that has led to the maker space
being what it is and its creation and
its use um and um and its um its
affordances what what what it's able to
um to offer and do um was the the
initial organization and the application
for the capital funding and the the
current ongoing management um is based
in the dig of humanities research hub.
Um but the the initial um bid was done
in collaboration with the institutes of
classical studies, English studies,
historical research um and with Senate
House Library which is in in the same
building um as as us um and various
external partners also played a part and
continue to play a part um in that
development and in that planning um and
and management of the of the space.
Um I don't know if people saw the
previous slide which just a list of the
instit the the institutional um partners
and then the the goals what what what we
um what we built the maker space for.
This is what we expected to be doing in
in the mega space. So so a range of um
activities which as I say includes but
not not um not restricted to um to
digital methods. Um so we have quite a
lot of 3D imaging um uh activity goes on
there and the the main expenditure for
that is the photo photography equipment.
Um 3D printing 3D printers um have uh
taken up a fair amount of the of of the
budget. Virtual reality um the virtual
reality headsets have become a lot
cheaper in the last um few years but um
but still a certain amount of outlay. Um
there's been a certain amount of work
with single board computing such as
Raspberry Pies and the similar um areas
um which have been used um in a range of
machine learning and computer vision um
activities um partly to sort of just
demonstrate how this sort of activity um
can uh can be done on a much smaller
scale than the the the you know the
massive water guzzling data centers that
that we associate AI
Um and then we we have a bunch of um of
other activities. So my colleagues in
English um have a couple of historical
printing presses and we we we we use
that to think about things around the
the history of the book and experiential
learning through through hands-on and
various other kinds of hands-on learning
including experimental archaeology. Um
so working with um with mosaics, with
clay, with book binding, with various
other sorts of activities. Um, and in
particular, we wanted this to be a space
for collaboration, training, and public
engagement. So, so not just um for a
small handful of people to use it for
their research, but really to have it
used by as many people as possible and
be as accessible as possible for um for
other people. Um, do let me know if the
slides stop um stop progressing um for
for people again at any point. Um, so,
um, I've just just got here a couple of
images of of, um, some of the equipment
that's in the mega space. So, we have
some, um, some photography equipment,
including this, um, adjustable height
table. Um, obviously, this this table is
designed for for accessibility. So, if
anybody did need a desk with adjustable
height, um, you know, we we take all the
photo photography equipment off it and
let it be used for its original use, but
it is also super useful for um, for
photography. Um, we've got various
camera equipment. the um the electric
remote control turntable on the right
there. Um that is also very useful for
um for for 3D imaging of an of an object
using photographic techniques. Um we've
got various 3D printers. These are the
four 3D printers that that we own. Three
of them are located in the maker space.
One of them is located in the Institute
for Classical Studies.
Um the the the one on the left is the
oldest of those 3D printers. Not not the
cheapest um but currently the the most
reliable. It's the one the one that has
broken down the fewest times in the the
time that the um six years or so that
we've that we've had it.
Um
there's uh there's various um printing
presses. So the um uh the Albian press
on the left is is the most sort of
heritage press. This is I think a 19th
century press. And then there's various
other presses. And one sort of
experiment crossing crossing the last
two slides um is this model of a rolling
press on the on the right there which
has been 3D printed. And it's a working
it's a working roll of press. You can
you can lay paper and and a and an inked
plate over the top of that and turn the
handle on the side if you bolt it to a
table. Um and you can get a working
miniature rolling press. I mean I it's
it's working. It's not full size. That's
that's I think about 20 cm long that
that serrated bed in the um in the
middle of it.
Um there are various uh computing
resources. So this is this is the the
most high-end computer we've got. This
is a gaming computer. Um it's um
Alienware Area 51. Um it's the sort of
computer, you know, someone who was you
know super into online gaming would get.
Um, and the reason we have one of these
is not because we're super into online
gaming, but because they're, um, they're
very very well um, uh, provisioned for
3D processing. So for 3D imaging, 3D
modeling, virtual reality, having the
processes in here, this is the cheapest
way of getting those sorts of processes
sort of equivalent in power
um to um to that sort of um to to do,
you know, something that would cost two
or three times as much if you if you
bought them as professional um uh
computers.
Um
so on to the the main sorts of
collaborations that we've um that we've
in in um engaged in the um
the one that I'm most involved in as I'm
I'm co-located in the Institute of
Classical Studies um is the 3D imaging
of um a collection of antiquities held
by the Institute of Classical Studies.
And the there's just a few images on
here of of some of the 3D models. Um on
the left is a screenshot from our Sketch
Fab site. Um and um there's a a closeup
of a a Byzantine um pottery shur um on
the right there. And the the the image
on the bottom right has been um has been
shown on a previous slide already.
That's the process of um photographing,
3D modeling, and then 3D printing um an
object as carried out by one of our um
by one of our student placements um last
year.
Um we've also had a range of um
collaborations around 3D imaging and
modeling with Senate House Library. So,
we've imaged um on the left are some of
the objects from um the the collection
of of cult um paraphernalia from the
Harry Price collection. Um that um a
little bit um sort of lower quality 3D
models because these objects are are
much harder to image than than than the
ceramics for for various technical
reasons. Um but um but a really
interesting experiment nevertheless with
um with what we could do with these
sorts of things. And then um you know a
couple of other things on on the right
there. So so a bookshelf of seized
literature from the um from the seized
books um project um relating to the to
the 1985 um seizure of of um of queer um
literature from the gays the word
bookshop. Um and um the bottom right is
um is a an experiment we did just
because we were fascinated by the fact
that um the the um the heavy pollution
in the area of London has meant that
this 100-year-old building has been
slightly worn such that we can now see
fossils inside the limestone that the
building was made of um in the higher um
the higher parts of the building. And
so, um, you know, getting 3 3D imaging
of of those of those fossils is quite is
quite fun. We haven't found any
dinosaurs in there or anything, but, um,
but it's still fun. Um,
couple of other projects that um that
have been um taking place. This this is
um one of the more exciting projects we
have. It's not one that I've been
involved in. Um so I can't say too much
more about it. But this is this is um a
project to again use these single board
computers to um to look at the um the
biases inherent in the training of
artificial intelligence models and using
um computer vision um as the um as the
the engine for that um experimentation.
um and working a lot with with young
people um and um and you know out out in
the community with various various
partners. Um so that that's that's been
um you know a very a very impactful um
set of activities. Um other activities
that we carry out in the maker space um
include a whole range of of different
kinds of um
uh of public facing activities. So um
including um a series that we call the
the maker space taster sessions. Um this
is where we run a fairly short um sort
of one or twohour introduction to some
activities. So I um I quite often um run
activities on photoggramometry which is
the the the photo photography based 3D
imaging um that um that I showed a few
slides ago. Um RTI which is another
advanced imaging method. um some uh text
encoding and ancient epigraphy recording
methods, virtual reality. Um we've got a
PhD student who's using virtual reality
in her in her project. So she's able to
demonstrate this to to small audiences.
Um we've got students working with um
with encoding wiki data for humanities
data and that um that is something that
um that we're we're again running short
courses on. We have um
uh short demos of both um 3D printing,
so how to use a 3D printer and giving
people giving people access um to these
and most importantly getting people
trained up with them because we don't
want to let people um have sort of
unsupervised access to to 3D printers
unless they've they've got the training
on how to do so safely, both safely for
themselves and for the printers. Um and
also the printing presses same same um
same issues that there's a certain you
know amount of sort of safety involved
in requiring sort of training and
supervision. Um and um on on Pi Day
which is um the 14th dead by mistake
there um 14th of March I think 3:14 um
is um a bunch of activities
demonstrating what can be done with
Raspberry Pies and so forth. So, a range
of the sort of activities we do,
including some that we run longer
courses on. Um,
that these are sort of one or two hour
tasters of those sorts of things that
are usually for free that people can
come along and get a sense of what
they'd um what they want to um might
want to find out more about over time.
We run a whole range of of short courses
of various lengths um up to up to
week-long um summer schools um and and
spring schools. Um we have various
classes are held in there. So I teach my
MA classes um in that room because all
of the hardware and the the various
setup is is intrinsic to the sorts of
things I want my student to be involved
in. We hold seminars in there. Same
sorts of reasons. We can have discussion
groups in there that can help us to to
have um sort of material around us while
we're while we're discussing some of the
issues and activities and practices
around digital um and other other sort
of analog making methods. Um we we have
a range of hands-on sessions that are um
beyond beyond the sort of um training
sessions per se are sessions where um we
have conversations about for example um
archaeological issues around
interpreting pottery. Um and we do so
with with a a a slab of wet clay on the
table in front of us. So everyone's got
their hands dirty. they're practicing
making things um and thinking about
pottery while making pottery in their
hands, which I think is is quite a
useful sort of tactile way to sort of
get thought of. It's not quite
experimental archaeology because you're
not really learning about how ancients
or or historical people made pottery
items because just because you've got
clay in your hands, archaeologists have
other ways of of finding that sort of
information. Um but it does does help us
to sort of think in the in the you know
um in the physicality of the materials
and you know clay is just one example.
We do we use stuff with other other
kinds of other kinds of making as well.
As I said there's there's there's um um
mosaic materials and um
uh book binding and and various printing
um sort of activities. Um as well um we
run various sort of openhouse sessions
so for for large events including sort
of cultural events and festivals in in
Senate House. Um we have a weekly sort
of office hour. So every Thursday
morning it's a drop-in session. We have
two um two graduate students who are
paid to to to staff the space in that
time and that's when people can come in
and ask um ask about um the use of um 3D
printers or printing presses or other
other materials and um equipment in
there. Um and we're um in particular
we're um we're running a range of and
we're we're interested in developing um
a range of training events for the
cultural heritage industry. So libraries
and museums um in particular. So we um
we quite often run um 3D imaging um
workshops for the endangered material
knowledge program in the British Museum.
We have virtual archaeology um events
which we co-run with um with again with
the British Museum, British Library and
other um other partners um around um and
the kinds of activities um that um that
that that the space has sort of
engendered expertise in um both both
both in and around our our department.
um other kinds of things that I think
are particularly of interest to the the
glam sector and we're we're very keen to
build those those connections.
Um the the equipment that we have in the
space um includes as I've mentioned um
quite a few of these um already. So, we
have um we have a range of of cameras um
from the the sort of fairly high-end
digital SLR 5,000 camera um to to some
much more sort of portable, borrowable
um easily usable cameras. Um
we have uh the the 3D printers that I've
already mentioned um which cost between
about £1,000 and £5,000 depending on the
depending on the model. These are these
are relatively low-end 3D printers. I
mean, a home 3D printer is is maybe at
the low end of of that of that price
range. Um, but um but £5,000 is by no
means the most expensive 3D printer you
can um you can get. Um we have some some
high highish end computers. Again, um a
few,000 for for a for a gaming computer
um is not um you know, it's not what
you'd necessarily need for an
astrophysics lab, but it's um it's it's
more than your university will give give
a member of staff to keep in their
office.
um single board computers, they you know
they cost not much more than £100 each.
Um those small Raspberry Pies and
similar um and then um a range of other
equipment which um which vary widely um
in price. So virtual reality headsets
which can cost anything from a couple
hundred to a couple of thousand pounds.
Drones, we tend to go for the very small
and very cheap drones partly because if
they're any larger than that, we're not
allowed to fly them fly them outside um
in a city. Um
and um we have a robotic camera mount
which you know enables various types of
panoramic and and 360deree um
photography. um the printing presses,
those um those again they vary in price,
but um the they're normally ones that
you you can't just sort of buy, you
know, you can't find them advertised on
eBay quite quite so easily. But um but
you know, quite often there's some some
some other heritage center might be
getting rid of one or or you know, a
printing um company might might, you
know, have had this heritage press lying
around for ages and and now need the
space. Um and so one, you know, quite
often these things become available, you
know, relatively cheap, um or even free
if you're willing to collect them. But
but you know, they do weigh the bigger
ones can weigh hundreds of kilos. So um
collecting them isn't necessarily cheap
either. Um as I said, we have um we have
bookbinding materials, mosaic tiles, air
drying clay, um various various other
equipment. um and um smaller equipment
sort of lying around like craft knives,
various tools and both for for for
maintenance and repair of our of our own
kit but also for other kinds of
crafting. Um and um essentially um as
our health and safety um uh made clear
to us, if we've got um those sorts of
sharp objects, we've we've also got um
you know a first aid kit, we've got a
sharps box, we got you know various um
various kinds of things. um and and you
know training and um so forth to uh to
make sure people people are stay safe um
in the in the space
um the uh the people who are involved in
running this. So there are um two of us
who are mega space leads. We we we are
the the we have the departmental
responsibility for managing the space.
Um so I as I say I'm mostly interested
in the 3D and photography and imaging
side of things and I work also with with
classical studies and my colleague Kuna
is um primarily interested in the the
computer hardware side of things and
runs the the computer vision and AI um
activities. um the manager of the
digital human research hub um sort of
manages the accounts and so forth and
and also does a lot of a lot of general
sort of day-to-day work on making um
making sure things happen in the space.
the digital humanities training lead um
my colleague Christopher Og who is in
the um who is both in digital humanities
and in and in English um has a lot of um
a lot of oversight of of that sort of
thing of our training program our short
courses um and um taster sessions um and
also um as it happens manages the the
the printing press activities along with
um colleagues in English um we do have
two um student associates who are who
are paid the these are the two students
who um who attend every Thursday morning
um over the course of the year and also
available for other other kinds of
activities um occasionally one-off
activities um where we do demos and um
stalls and so forth for the for the mega
space. Um we also many of our PhD
students also get involved as teaching
assistants in some of the some of the
workshops. Um we're various
institutional partners both both within
the University of London in other um
other institutes and other um other
nearby libraries. Um so we have
colleagues in in Burkebeck for example
and and SOASS who who get involved in
some of our activities um and uh
librarians again throughout the school
throughout the University of London in
particular Senate House Library um who
who get involved in activities who help
supervise activities and design
activities and collaborate with us on
funded activities um and of course
everyone who uses the space whether they
be um students um guests other academic
colleagues people who've come from the
outsides you know with with a a small
scale academic project where a bit of 3D
printing would be um would be useful for
them. Um every every person like that
contributes to the the sort of
collective brain that makes the the mega
space um possible as a as a sort of um
activity. So that's um that's really a
sort of background of where the mega
space comes from and I think that's
that's that's led to it being um what it
is. So I'll I'll sort of stop there but
um very just to say I'm you know very
happy to discuss this this further. for
me obviously both in the discussion um
now but also um in the longer term if
anyone wants to get in touch um please
do so my my email address is on the
screen there um I noticed a few people
in London on the um thing if you wanted
to come and visit we'd be delighted to
to meet you and you know always happy to
think about you know ideas and
collaborations and um and so forth so
thank you all very much
>> thank you Gabby that's fascinating I'm
sure there's going to be lots of
questions for for you at the end. I know
I've got a few written down already. Um,
thank you so much.
So, now we will hand on to Euan Grant.
Hello, Euan. Um, so Yuan is here to do
our our second presentation. So, over
over to you, Yuan. Thank you.
>> Thank you. I'll just get set up with my
slides. That was very fascinating from
Gabby there. And that was obviously
quite a a detailed look at one
particular area within their
uh service. And what I'm going to be
talking about is a bit more of a kind of
broader scale more a sense of as you can
see from the title beyond the library
evolving space planning at the
University of Aberdine in the sense of
beyond the library in terms of the
people involved across the institution
in the planning that we're doing um and
potentially taking the library out of
our current buildings.
So, uh, I'm based at, if nobody's ever
traveled all the way up to Aberdine, I'm
based at the s really beautiful Sir
Duncan Rice Library. There will be some
images that you'll see as I'm going
through my slides. My job in general, I
am a information consultant. You can see
from that slide there, a title that
doesn't really describe much. I would
class myself as a subject librarian and
I tend to deal with the arts and
humanities subjects. I've worked in law
library across manner of different
subjects and but I also have some
involvement with kind of leading on the
customer experience within the library.
I've worked at Aberdine now for over 20
years. Um but all of my roles have been
very front-facing. I've had users at the
core of the work that I do. be that
teaching information literacy
particular subject specific resources
helping to manage the inquiry service
and also looking at different ways in
which the uh library spaces kind of best
meet the change in needs of our
different users and and I suppose one
sense to give you a sense of the scale
of how long I've been working within
libraries many years ago I at one of my
first jobs working in Aberine University
Library it was my job to encourage
people to use the self-issue machines.
We just got those in. People were
avoiding them. Oh, they're a little bit
scared of them. So, was one of my jobs
to get people to to use the self-issue
machine. And I suppose that point is
that students and technology and
collections have changed so much in that
20 years, which can make can at times be
the most interesting part of the job,
but can also very much be one of the
most challenging parts of the job
because there's that always constant
change. not just within the library but
also the the broader context of the
institution that we work within but also
the sector within which we're all
operating.
So in terms of what I'm planning to talk
about I've kept a very simple kind of
process. I'm going to spend a bit of
time talking about the past things that
we have done and changes that we have
made within our spaces. I'll then talk
about what we're currently embarking on
uh that I would kind of class as what's
innovative for us the way we're looking
looking at the spaces um and kind of
plans for the future as well. Um
I think that's as much to set out there.
Yeah, I so in terms of the past, as I
was saying, some of the changes that
we've made, I'll then talk about two
more strategic uh initiatives that are
happening within the University of
Aberdine that go beyond the library
looking at studies based alongside a
host of other matters across the
university. And then when I come to talk
about the future, I'm kind of concluding
with how I hope these initiatives um
will make a difference to how we as the
library operate elsewhere across the
institution and just to make sure that
we're making the best use of the spaces
that we have. But there's also the
reality like most if not well I would
say many but probably most people in the
UK higher education at the moment we
have a finite physical footprint a flat
or shrinking budget um a changing and
challenged sector but we always still
have students and staff that are
demanding innovation in their learning
and research and the spaces in which are
available to do that. And yes, that's
the first picture of the stunan rice
library that you could see there on the
right hand side.
Just to give the context in terms of
when I say us as a library, what we are
and what we have, we have four libraries
and for approximately 15,000 students.
So on the left hand side there you'll
see we have the Sedun Rice Library which
is the main library. It covers the vast
majority of subjects taught and
researched at the University of
Aberdine. Then we have the Taylor
library which is also on the same campus
the old Aberdine campus. Um and that is
the law library law and official
publications. Also we have the medical
library which is based up at uh the
Aberdine Royal Infirmary. So that's
makes sense to have the the medical
library up there where the students are
most of the time. And we do also have we
have a library out in Qar that I've
never been to visit because we have a a
satellite institution out there. But I'm
not really speaking about Qar at the
moment in this talk.
But in a sense of the scale of what we
have, you know, the Sunken Rice Library,
for example, I think has a maximum
capacity of 1,200 spaces. I don't
believe we've ever really crossed a
thousand people at any one time,
particularly exam times. But even not
being full, it appears full and the
students feel it is full for various
reasons as in they can't sit next to
their friends which is an understandable
thing. The law library, Taylor library
is approximately 500 seats and the
medical library again it's a little bit
smaller is 350 seats. So just doing
quick maths in my head. So we're looking
at about 2,000 seats for 15,000
students. So, um, not everyone can get a
seat at all times. Thankfully, they
don't all come. And just today is the
first day of actual teaching back here
in Aberdeene. So, it's actually nice to
actually see some students in the
building, which is uh my my opinion may
change after a few weeks of busyiness.
Um, so as you get a sense, there's
different demands for these different
spaces from different groups of people
at different times of the year. So,
that's always changing. Some people want
silent study at one time, other people
want quiet group. So, we're always
having to provide those options for
those that are using our spaces.
So, the past.
So, this is a a photo from the inside of
the Sunken Rice Library. It is a
glorious lightfilled beautiful space.
However, there is a massive hole, a
beautiful atrium that runs the whole
length of the building or whole height
of the building. Um, we've been open
since 2011 and we had the grand opening
a year later from her late majesty Queen
Elizabeth II. Um,
full height atrium. One of the issues
was we had a little bit of everything in
terms of group or terms of types of
study space on every floor. So, we had
silent study rooms. We also had group
working areas. We also had quiet spaces
and it kind of quite quickly became
apparent that that wasn't really keeping
everybody happy. So it made it very
difficult for the staff to manage the
expectations of the students because
everybody was trying to do different
things beside each other and in a sense
that was dictated by the design of the
building and we never had the
opportunity to to set that before the
building actually opened.
Um
so noise management
came in various forms of feedback. What
we actually ended up doing particularly
postcoid we formed some focus groups due
to responses that were getting back
through various means and these focus
groups were not conducted by the library
staff themselves. We made use of an
excellent team that we have here at the
university called the experience
engagement and well-being team. They're
very much they sit outside the library
are very much focused on the customer
experience the student experience here
at the university. So they managed the
focus groups. I myself went along to one
of the focus groups but it was very much
the case we weren't doing interact we
were just to be making notes which was
difficult because you knew the answers
but that was the whole point of giving
them that opportunity to speak freely
about their experiences of making use of
the different buildings. Um the focus
groups really really were very helpful.
It reinforced some things that we were
certainly aware of, but it did raise
some some other issues as well. But what
it really did give us that sense that
the reassigning the floors by type of
study was really really important and I
appreciate a lot of institutions do it
in that way. We hadn't done that within
this building. So we very much split the
building into group areas, quiet areas
and silent. And we have one silent study
floor with suitable signage that makes
it quite clear to individuals
what is expected of them when they come
out onto a particular floor within the
Sedun Rice Library. And we also then
replicated that across the Taylor
Library and the medical library in terms
of perhaps not different floors but
again areas to allow people to
understand kind of what was anticipated
and expected. And that was quite a big
strategic adjustment that we were able
to make. It had been kind of long time
coming and I'll speak a bit more about
that in terms of the time scales of
making any changes within libraries. Um
but there was very relatively little
space spent to make those adjustments.
just some new signage and promotion
through various channels through
ourselves but also again with help from
the engagement experience and well-being
team to get that message out to the
students. Um it really has improved the
situation within the building but it
hadn't fixed everything. Um so we then
went a step further and this is while
there were still some capital spend
funds available um in recent years it's
been like many universities we really
had to be cutting our cloth quite close
so there wasn't a great deal of money
around for any capital builds but what
we were able to do roughly about half a
million pounds was spent on this is
floor two of the Sunken Rice Library
My understanding that the initial costs
were possibly half of that.
But it was a case that once the work
began, it came down to in a sense the
utilities in the building weren't as we
were anticipating. Wiring was different.
Um that floor had been full of our
remaining print journals that we still
are on open access. As you might
understand, those things were becoming
less and less used. There was concern
Um we went out and consulted with
academics about how they would feel
about us removing those print journals
to our store that sits just outside the
city center. Um but there was minimal um
concern. There was obviously you'll have
the few people who will always raise
those objections but once we kind of put
some mitigating practices in place they
were on the other they were very happy
with us making this change. when we
explained the need it was the need of
for the students and so it was kind of
really quite vital. So, what we've been
able to do, we've been able to add a
great deal of group study booths. In
this photograph at the top, you'll be
able to see those mainly off in the
distance and a lot more group study
tables here on your left hand side. And
kind of behind me when I took this
photograph and off to the right hand
side as well, we have more of those
group study uh booths and tables. So, it
really is the whole floor has been set
to that. And one of the reasons again
why this floor was picked for this is
it's the only second floor up. So as you
might imagine in a building with a full
height atrium, noise does travel up from
the ground floor where we have a cafe.
Um so it is a a challenge uh to have
such a a beautiful space but it does
cause noise issues within the building.
Um,
also on this floor we were again because
of feedback we've been receiving from
students were able to create a a small
well-being area in terms of with crafts,
knitting, board games that people are
making use of because we're having to
constantly tidy it up. a colleague of
mine initiated a like a green wall, a
crocheted green wall of flowers um that
students have been adding to and it's
that sense we're trying to encourage
them to step away from their studying um
because probably be aware so many
students spend so much of their day
within the library. So it's been able to
provide that option and opportunity to
give their brain a break um from those
sorts of uh activities.
We also have what we call our inclusive
collections area. Now this
came about through uh promoting
resources and matters around EDI you
know and it's part of an institutionwide
strategic principle to address these
matters um uh within the teaching
research and the working and study
environment at the University of
Aberdine. And
quite recently, we've actually had some
students engaging with library staff to
help create uh sorry, curate some of
those collections and create displays as
part of their coursework. And I do know
there is intention for more of that sort
of work um to happen because one of the
things certainly when I do my uh talks
to
students I deal with across arts and
humanities I always try and make the
point that it's not our library it's
their library it's your library. So it's
about getting that sense of community
and engagement and agency of using the
collection. So it's a it's a really
wonderful development that some of my
colleagues have been involved with. Um
however this has been very popular and
expanding
um the number of group areas but it led
to us identifying a new need because
what we were discovering that while a
lot of these booths some of them can
maybe hold about four people but some of
them you could quite easily sit six or
seven people the people were coming in
sitting at one of the large booths and
arranging their their jackets and their
bags to discuss encourage anybody else
from sitting down. So it helped us to
identify something that we were probably
aware of but hadn't quite been so clear
on the need for private individual
booths and uh study corrals and that's
something that we are working towards as
well. Um
in terms of the the funding um the
difficulty we had with that some of the
money we'd received the library received
a bequest in what's called our
university's development trust. So we've
been able to draw down some of that
money. So Simon Baines, university
librarian and other senior staff have
been using quite uh innovative ways to
drive the funding um during financially
tight times and because again it's all
about finding new ways to do things in
these difficult days in which we are
operating. Now I would like people to
note the shiny red pillars uh on this
floor. Now in general this building is
gray and white. That is it. But all of a
sudden we have red pillars who appeared
on the second floor and I just want
briefly to explain what that is about.
So this is a an innovative use of a
research library that we got involved
with this summer. Um, I don't know how
many of you have Netflix and are aware
of a television series called Department
Q, but we were very lucky to be involved
and selected
um to be a venue to be a location for
some of the filming for the second
series that is due to come out in the
summer of next year. I'm not really
permitted to say anything more than
that. Um, but it certainly was it was
interesting. I was involved with that
process. Um it certainly new for library
staff and the estate staff at the
university but uh I think everybody got
involved found it very interesting. Um
so whether we ourselves get used as a a
filming location again we'll wait and
see. Um, but also you could argue it's,
you know, money was paid for us to be
used as a venue and so potentially a new
revenue stream for the for the library
and the university as well because for
those of you who haven't been up to
University of Aberdine, we are in a very
beautiful old campus and kind of on the
edge of the city and it's
how would I put it? It's photogenic and
would uh
lend itself well to being involved in
lots of different television series. So,
if any of you are involved or know any
location managers, please get in touch
with uh my estate colleagues if you're
know somebody who's wanting to do some
filming. um some other changes that have
come out you know so that group study
flow and floor group is quite a
strategic piece of work but as you'll
understand we're often
a bit more reactive depending on the
scale of the issue that's brought to our
attention so I just want to cover some
other examples of work that we've done
this image at the top that I wish was
slightly less out of focus um group
study areas that we were able to place
within or medical library. Again, great
demand was requested for that. Um, we
have put silent study corrals into
Taylor. We know that that has really
worked and that's the sort of model that
we're going to be bringing into this
library and sunken rice library and
placing up on the top floor whereas you
might imagine things are a lot quieter
by the time you reach seven floors up
within the building. Um other changes
that have happened, we had one prayer
space and I was involved in
conversations with the university
chaplain and also with Aberdine
University Muslim student association in
that there was a need for two spaces. So
we have managed to achieve that over the
course of uh the last summer and but
because of that we lost a bookable group
study room. So we are now changing
silent study room into a bookable uh
group study area. So again it's always
that finding that balance where the
demand comes to you. Another rather
quick win that came out of survey
feedback was the desire for dual
monitors for some students. I'm
currently speaking to you here with my
laptop and I've got two screens. And I
imagine many students have that set up
in their home, but when they come to the
library don't always have that available
to them. So we have begun uh to provide
that on a on a small scale. I would
imagine that's going to be stepped up
more so over the years because that will
be cheaper than purchasing PCs.
Providing monitors which students can
then attach their own devices to is a
win for them and it'll be a win for the
university financially as well. which is
great.
Just as I take a a drink of some cold
water that wasn't timed, we've also
recently installed a hot water tap.
Doesn't sound very exciting, but it was
one of the repeated demand that we'd
asked. We've got that down on the ground
floor so people can get boiling water,
make their own cups of tea, etc. Again,
we had to negotiate that with the
catering division of the university that
manages the cafe on the ground floor.
They were like, well, you're going to
draw custom away from us. But again,
they understood the need for that
because the cafe isn't always open um
when the building is open. So, again,
it's getting that um balance. My
favorite word of this uh presentation
and another in a sense innovative source
of funding for the hot water tap. I'm
also I'm a secretary to what we have
called the friends of Aberdine
University Library which is the the
charity that sits aside uh the
university library and university
collections. It's been on the go since
1967 kind of supporting the work of the
library. initially I suppose was
instigated to help with the building of
the collections and we still are
involved with using funding from within
the friends to buy interesting
collections but we also went to the
friends of the library to provide the
hot the funding for the hot water tap
you know so it's again clever ways to
get the money in difficult times and as
I said the new silent study corrals are
on their way
so What drove these changes?
Feedback really what drove this? I first
of all would like to say our libraries
are too popular. We're too good. Um so
in particular Sunan Rice Library it's
such a beautiful and stunning building
has such a gravity. It really draws
people towards using it and because has
a cafe on the ground floor with a
gallery space it really is um quite a
beautiful place and students want to be
based within it.
feedback that we'd receive from the the
national student survey NSS and also our
local Aberine student experience survey
that we run normally yearly but it can
be yearly or every couple of years we
use that again we can ask more specific
questions can vary those every year we
get a lot of great feedback out of it we
have fantastic relationships as a
library with the student union here
within the university so we're always
getting feedback from them as I
mentioned earlier on discussions with
chaplency and the student association
the Muslim student association here in
Aberdine
UX Libs I'd like to think there will be
some people in the call that have
attended the fantastic U libs
conferences that take place um I've
attended I have a colleagues that have
attended and it's really invigorated us
to try and do smallcale interactions
with students to get feedback um and we
did quite a few smallcale things around
the initially the creation of a silent
study floor and that again stems from
that and I think one of the things we
really took from that I certainly did is
don't try and overthink things just
start small and just start asking
questions but it's then just making sure
you've got the resources and the ability
to to do something with the the feedback
that you get. Um, one of the issues
sometimes is that we are reactive and
you need to be reactive, but sometimes
it's just reactive and it's getting that
balance from being able to think
strategically and that's not something
we've been able to do over the last
maybe three years because of the
financial situation.
Um but in terms of who has actually made
these changes happen fundamentally
initially starting in the top leftand
corner it has been the students the
students have really driven that which
is great we also have a really important
group we work very conjoined we're in a
conjoined service in the library
alongside it and we have a customer
experience group that brings staff from
across all of the directorate of library
or information services and we meet four
times a year initially really looking at
the feedback from the NSS and other
surveys that we get and then been able
senior level to begin to develop plans
and actions to implement some of those
changes. So there are there has been
strategic thinking. I mentioned the
wonderful team very briefly earlier on
student experience engagement and
well-being. Um they are really useful
source of information but they're also a
great avenue to feed back to the wider
community because they've got such good
relationships with the students. Um so
it's very much a partnership with them
where things are heavily IT dependent.
As I said we work very closely with IT
services. Um, for example, we have IT
service main IT service desk is within
this building here. They used to be
secreted away in a a less than easy to
find location. So, we've brought them
into this building um where they are
located next to our main library ask
question point. We've also got the IT
service desk there. Various library
teams are involved at different in
different ways. And obviously we have
the university's states team who we have
to engage with um particularly
when we're making any adjustment changes
any
um what's the word technical
I'm not finding the words you know
electricians joiners we we need to
engage with them to come in and do the
work coordinate with them to find the
the right and best time when certain
pieces of work can happen.
So the present, this is where we've got
to now.
And I just want to say you wait for a
bus and then two or three turn up at
once. So there have been conversations
over the last three years that we've
been hearing from the senior management
of the university and that they were
wanting to do a good full scale audit of
all the spaces that we have um for
various types of use. Um but again
because of the the climate in which
we're all operating it was getting
pushed further and further down the
agenda. But now thankfully we've got
some more strategic projects up but
we've now got two of them. Um which
sounds great but it's going to increase
the need for coordination. I'll just
kind of talk about the two different
schemes that we've just got going. First
of all we have the student partnership
agreement. Now this is something that
was instigated last year in 2025.
We have these every three years. It's my
understanding the student union team
meets with predominately with the
experience engagement and well-being
team to set about an agenda for
different things that we can work
together to facilitate for the student
community. Um, last year it was very
much just setting the agenda of what it
was going to be. And it thankfully has
come out to be a project all about
spaces, but not just study spaces. It's
also social space and sport space within
our c uh within our campuses. And while
sport maybe not such a relevant area
within the the library world, the social
aspect very much is because there's a
there it can be argued there's not
enough social space on our campus and
the the nature of our building and the
attractiveness of our building lends
itself to becoming a social space which
then impinges on the study space that we
we wish to be having. Um so the fact
that there's now the student body
working alongside professional services
including ourselves to address these
particularly looking at questions of
inclusion accessibility
availability at different times of day
year during the week and how useful uh
or what it is that we have. So again
that combination that's a student union
then experience and engagement it the
library and estates. So we're in a sense
formalizing
the partnerships that we already have um
to do some work on this. Obviously the
library and the it we're very much
focused on the study aspect of the
student partnership agreement project.
Um, in particular, we're looking at
doing an audit of all the spaces, not
with just within the library, but across
our campuses, be that here down in Old
Aberine or up at the Aberine the the
Aberdine Royal Infirmary campus as well.
And then working out what do we have and
better promoting what we have and
there'll obviously potentially be some
changes um to some of those spaces. So
thankfully compared to some of the more
reactive things this feels like a very
strategic piece of work and a lot more
proactive um in that sense of taking a
bit more control over the direction of
where we're heading. So that's one of
the buses that has recently arrived. The
second bus is on a much bigger scale and
it's called the curriculum
transformation project.
um that began this year and that I
believe is operating on a roughly 3 to 5
year time scale and it's looking at all
education uh provision and
infrastructure across
not only the physical infrastructure
that we have but also the digital
infrastructure and the library is very
much involved with that at a senior
level. um Simon Baines for example and
um a colleague Mr. Mr. who I believe is
on this call um have been involved and I
know Simon has repeatedly put forward
the need again for an audit of the
spaces um and I this has now been taken
on board as a key aspect and a key
focus of the work that's going to be
taking place. So it's that benefit of
being at the table while these strategic
convers conversations are taking place
because in a sense so much of the demand
was falling on the library. Oh, you
don't have enough this space but we have
a finite building. So finally we're able
to have the conversation about there's a
lot more buildings on this campus. How
do we um share the load if you like um
elsewhere?
Now, obviously, this is a broader piece
of work than the student partnership
agreement, but it's something that we're
going to have to connect up with. I
personally am involved with the student
partnership agreement uh in the study
piece of work that's happening there but
I know my other colleagues are heavily
involved in the curriculum
transformation project and it's about
being able to have those conversations
making sure the connections are
happening
so that messages and wishes aren't lost
but also to ensure that there isn't
duplication of effort and that's
absolutely not what we want to be
happening. Okay. So in essence, we're
going to be reviewing all study space in
charge in terms of these issues. Um
develop recommendation and
implementation plans and just ensure
that we do actually have for the future
the future flexible and accessible
learning environment for all students um
that make use of the University of
Aberdine.
Last last slide just on the curriculum
transformation project. Some of the
challenges that we will face and need to
be conscious of as we go through this
piece of work. Obviously the broader
higher education environment at the
moment and the financial situation. Um
in addition to this transformation
project, our university is going through
an institutional restructuring
changing
um the way departments are arranged. Was
it faculty, subject departments,
colleges that conversation has been
taking place. So we need to make sure is
the library does it have the right
structure to match and meet the needs
that are coming out from the
institutional restructuring.
Um, oh, I've skipped past somewhere. My
my animation went a bit wrong there. Um,
obviously, one of the things that I'm
always very conscious of within the
library whenever we're making any
changes to the building, very conscious
of the seasonal nature and the cyclical
nature of academic libraries. You know,
we're busy at certain times. Students
are here, students aren't here. So, that
to a certain extent dictates the work
that we're able to do. and and also we
will be forced to operate within
committee structures and procedures um
within an institution like a university.
Um now everybody I will have their own
committee structures that could be um
rather bzzantian
and it's how do you get decisions and
changes through that in a timely useful
manner. um every institution is faced by
that challenge. Now say I am very happy
that we are now working in their
strategic way. I have to be honest
there's a little bit of be careful what
you wish for. We've been waiting for
this and now we've got two processes. So
it's just making sure we we get that
balance right and how we go about doing
that work. Um moving on to the future.
Um where to next? I'm also conscious of
the time. Um so what what are we looking
to for the future? Um as I said very
much delighted that strategic thinking
is very much back on the agenda. The
senior management of the university now
appreciate that library spaces cannot
provide everything um or the students
certainly for their study needs and
their social needs. Um but it's about we
need to operate on a small scale because
it can be fast, agile and reactive which
is great where we can be but we also
need to operate on the big scale um
which will be slower but you got greater
sense of collaboration and the proactive
aspect to it that sense of taking some
control over. So absolutely both have
merit between the proactive and the
reactive but you need them both and it's
it's managing that you know in that
sense of the library really is a
supporting character and within an
institution like a university we're not
the main character. So our sense of
agency while we have some is limited by
the work of others and it's accepting
that and also accepting what agency you
have to influence the work of others. So
it's a negotiations discussions that
need to take place but we always have
ideas for some things for the future.
I'll maybe just list a few of these as I
come to the end of my talk. Um so some
ideas for the future the balance getting
the balance the innovative planning is
happening now but we're maybe not at the
stage of while we have been making some
innovative changes to our spaces I feel
there is certainly room for more to come
um one of the thoughts I've been having
quite recently is can you take the
library BL brand elsewhere out onto
campus you know I'm not saying we're
going to create new libraries but could
you have little libraries little spaces
is that can be silent study areas that
people understand that's what that space
is for. Um,
one other option, for example, I talked
about how we removed the journals from
floor two of Sunken Rice Library. That
obviously opened up space.
As we all know, the borrowing of
physical materials is reducing over the
years. Do we need as many physical books
as we currently have in this library?
We've been open for 15 years.
that needle dropped. We do have an
off-site store, but it has very little
space within it. So again, the removal
of physical content would be either a
very difficult and large scale project
or do you just slowly nibble away um at
removing some of the stock? Um
thankfully, it's not something we're
dealing with at the moment, but just
kind of thinking ahead. One of the
things uh that I'm certainly keen to do
and as I'll point you back to the idea
of we have a beautiful atrium and is
perhaps using the library space as a
space for some performances and perhaps
getting we teach and research music at
the University of Aberdine. So there are
students who are studying music. Could
they come in make use of the library
space? I don't know. one day a week for
a cup for a half hour, do little
performances, encourage people to take a
break from their studying. Um,
absolutely wish we had a maker space and
Gabby's talk really was quite
fascinating to see. And there was one
point there was something about a
ramming hand. I do want to ask a
question about that later in one of his
slides. Um, and a recent thing that's
very recently a recent thing that's very
recently happened. Um our student union
has just instigated a library of things,
tools, hoovers, various things that
student might need. Um and I'm want to
open our conversation with them about is
there any ways in which we can help
promote that and that sense of sharing
suppose that's what a library is about.
It's about sharing space, sharing
resources. So if we can help others with
sharing others things, I think that's
fantastic. But it is it's all about
getting the balance. We're always
searching for that balance and do we
have the resourcing
to provide the changes that we need. So
it's that conversation externally and
internally in well and I'm now going to
finish talking and that's just another
gorgeous image of our library of an
evening. Um yeah it truly I'm just very
uh what's the word? Proud of the
library. I'm just happy to show it off.
I will now stop talking. Thank you very
much for your attention.
>> Brilliant. Thank you very much, Euan.
Hope you can hear all hear me again now.
>> Yes. Sorry if I open a bit.
>> No, no, that that's it's it's brilliant
and lots and lots of things in in common
with what we're doing here in Newcastle,
but we'll we'll we'll come on to that.
Um I'll also invite Gabby back to the
session now and we'll pick up on the Q&A
if that's all right. So, let's get
started with
things in the in the Q&A. So, so Gabby,
one for you to begin with, and you
covered this, I think, partly in in in
your presentation, and it was around
training and supervision and and how you
get students able to to use the the
equipment that you've got.
Yes, this is this is an issue for for I
mean for any kind of users whether
whether students or or academic
colleagues or or indeed outside outside
colleagues is that um in the first
instance you know we want to make sure
they're they have some sort of induction
to the space and the sorts of behaviors
that are that are expected in there and
then this training in the use of the
hardware um the hardware itself. So 3D
printers in particular, it's very easy
to to to try and turn on a 3D printer,
not knowing what it'll do and, you know,
end up having bits grinding against each
other or or indeed grinding against your
hand trapped in there, which we know we
don't want to happen either. Um there's
massive metal printing presses.
Likewise, if you sort of pull down a
sort of 10 kilo piece of metal, you you
know, want to make sure you haven't got
anything in there. Um but um but but it
is it is it is a you know there's
there's an ongoing sort of question
between um balance of not wanting to um
to sort of have to physically be there
to supervise every single person who
wants to use the space. We want this to
be a very collaborative space but making
sure that that you know people are going
to be able to use it you know
responsibly and be well trained. So um
in the first instance we we know we
require everyone to to have you know
some sort of induction to the space and
training if if what they're doing is
involving any particular hardware. Um
there's also security issues right some
of these very expensive pieces of
equipment. We want people to use this
but we don't just want hundreds of
people to have the door code and be able
to wander in and pick up a 5,000 camera
that you know might walk away. Um
>> yes yes quite. And I think I think
following following on from that I I a
question that I had was around um are
you able to cope with demand because I
would imagine this this facility is is
very popular. So do do can you cope with
demand or do you have to prioritize use?
>> We do prioritize um to some degree. We
we also have um we have a process for um
you know people who want to get in touch
and use it for their own purposes rather
than coming along to events that we're
organizing. um that that is a bit of a a
gatekeeper I suppose is the is the thing
slows down demand slightly just it puts
a barrier to entry in that that that
means people have to sort of think
carefully but it also enables us to um
you know potentially if three people are
interested in the same thing we say well
let's organize a taster session on that
and then we can you know we can get that
sort of thing started I mean induction
is you know something we don't do on a
one one you know on a case by case basis
we try to sort of manage that over the
course over the course of time but Um
but yeah, the internal demand is
starting to become starting to become an
issue and that you know wanting to use
the space for running training and and
workshops and various other kinds of
events. We we we are starting to sort of
you know not to trade on each other's
toes but we're starting to sort of
jostle at the door a little bit.
>> Yeah. And and linked to that there was a
question about how you chose the
equipment to to go into the space and is
that constantly evolving and and how do
how do you make decisions on on that?
So that does evolve a little bit over
time. Yes. Um the the initial um choice
was equipment that we particularly
wanted for for a particular activity. So
um uh the the initial brand of equipment
we we acquired was almost um almost
entirely things that I wanted and I
wrote the bid. You know I did ask other
people and we had a couple of other
suggest suggestions and things we added
to that. But but you know I really
wanted the sort of 3D imaging and 3D
printing equipment and you know that
that we spent tens of thousands of
pounds on that and that was you know
that was um sort of um and and a certain
amount of budget goes on to replacing
and keep maintaining that sort of
equipment. Um and um in terms of what
changes we can make that's also managed
by um by how much how much budget you
know we have. we, you know, we can't um
we can't say, "Oh, we, you know, we'd
suddenly like one of these new £10,000
3D printers," because we'd have to save
about three years of our budget to
>> Yeah.
>> to do that. Um but uh but yes, there is
there is an ongoing conversation about
what what we need to use the space for
and what we need in order to use it in
that way. We're, you know, we're
currently having a big conversation
about um you know, what sort of tables
we want to put in there.
>> Yeah. Lovely. Thank you.
Thank you. Let's have a look at a couple
of questions that were for for for Euan.
So Euan,
thank you for your presentation. How
effective do you think the continuous
improvement approach does your study
spaces has been? Is there anything you
done differently or did the iterative
approach work best?
>> I I think it has to be iterative, you
know, because students don't stop
telling you what they want. They're
always coming with questions. They're
always discussed. I was very impressed
with the amount of comments about taps.
I didn't know I was going to set that
off, but I'm not surprised. The other
one we have is microwaves. There's
always a battle for a microwave. Um
>> I did wonder whether we'd end up going
down a microwave um loop at some point.
>> Sorry to bring that up. Um I I think
that has to be iterative, but it can it
can actually feel quite exhausting when
you're just reacting all the time.
Um, and you just you feel a greater
sense of not control that you're really
addressing the big picture rather than
just fixing one thing. But it's the
nature of the type of spaces that we
have. You can't do a wholesale change.
The wholesale change was building the
new library and opening in 2011. So, you
kind of have to do it. And I'm pointing
you to the point I was making about the
seasonal nature. There's only certain
times of the year that you can make a
lot of those big changes. Um, for
example, we got new gates just because
the old scooty gates had died. Um, so
they've come back in, they're new,
they're great, they work, but they're
slightly different cuz students have to
scan their card in a slightly different
way.
So we're now got people standing there
going, "Actually, no, no, no. You put
your card here."
>> Yeah. But they'll they'll get it. So it
I suppose it ultimately comes down to
the resource. Do you have the ability to
engage with those questions you're
getting asked? But it's also about being
honest. I think you just got to say yes,
we hear you, but we can't do it just
now. Rather than saying yes, let's think
about it. You just got to be honest with
the students. Um that's just a general
good policy in life.
>> Fridges, no chance.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed one about
fridges. Um, another one for you.
Actually, it follows on a little bit
from from what we've just been saying
around communication. Um, and you
mentioned putting mitigating measures in
place to appease academics before moving
your print journals and could do you
want to say a little bit more about how
you did that? Yeah, it it was a handful
of academics but then a a you might
imagine more arts and humanities
um focused areas. Um they were just
concerned cuz what we still had in our
library as far as I can recall these
were print journals. Some of them we
were still getting as print and ones we
didn't have digital access to.
So, we
allowed them to tell us which ones they
were most concerned about and we've made
like a mini mini collection in a
separate area, heavy demand collection,
so they can still get their hands on
them. When the new part comes out, they
can come and get them. So, it was a very
small change. It was a very small
change, but the vast majority of people
were supportive of it or just didn't
express an opinion one way or the other.
>> Lovely. Thank you.
I've got one more for you before I go to
to to to Gabby. And it might just give
you a second. Do you have a picture of
your crocheted green wall?
I'll come back to you.
>> No.
>> No. Oh,
>> I can get one.
>> Well, that's what I was wondering. Give
you a couple of minutes.
>> Okay. I would have to run downstairs if
you
>> Oh, I see. Oh, I see you could go and
take one anyway. So, so there's interest
in seeing what your your space looks
like. It's about it's maybe about half
the height of a 5 foot seven man
and it's just slowly filling up. But I
think with the I wish that it would
become bigger and bigger and bigger.
It's a beautiful thing. It really is
lovely.
>> Yeah. And one last question related to
that. Do you supply the craft supplies
and how manageable is that?
It could be tricky, but it it's actually
we've put calls out and kind of through
social media and we've had academic
staff, support staff, people coming in,
oh, I've got all this. I thought I would
become a knitter. Turns out I'm not very
good at it. I don't want to do it. So,
we've we've almost got too many knitting
needles. Uh, so yes, but it's a regular
thing. We put out calls for that. So, we
haven't had to spend money. We haven't
spent money because the community kind
of comes together.
>> Yeah. Grand. Thank you. You're welcome,
>> Gabby.
28,000 seems kind of cheap to set up a
lab like yours. Um, it sounds very
cheap, actually. Um, so what about
ongoing maintenance costs or development
costs? How how's that managed?
>> Yeah, I mean, it is it is cheap, but
the, you know, it covered the equipment
we needed, you know, at the time. I
mean, the the pot I applied for in 2022
was um, I think a maximum of £50,000
pot. So, you know, I could have asked
for a little bit more, but you know,
that was that that worked for the
initial the initial setup. Um, in terms
of ongoing costs, um, we have occasional
um, you know, opportunities to sort of
apply for, you know, estates funding or
whatever, capital funding to, um, to get
to get big pieces of new equipment, but
our sort of running costs are in the
region of I think 3 to 5,000 a year. Um
and that includes sort of maintenance um
um thing you know occasional new
purchases but also consumables like you
know three 3D printing filament and and
things like that that we need to ink for
the printing presses um that um that we
replace over over time and you know and
obviously paying for the time of our
student assistants and things like that
that
>> um that go on and and it is um
having having this sort of ongoing
income does does mean that we we're
we're also under pressure to monetize
this a little bit, right? So, we do we
do run training events in there that are
um that are for um for a fee. Um and
that's um that's obviously normal, but
um but it is something we have to sort
of keep an eye on. You know, the
university in a sense sees themselves as
having invested in this and they, you
know, they expect it to not necessarily
to pay for itself, but you know, to pay
for itself in terms of value to the
community and and to the university's um
ongoing um you know, strategy and and um
and function. So, and as as you as you
may know, the University of London's
function is has a sort of a national
brief. So we're we're um we're designed
to be an infrastructure and strategy um
and research promotion facilitation um
provider for um the UK humanities
community um not um not just trying to
make as much money as possible from you
know from large numbers of undergraduate
students. We don't have any
undergraduate students in in the in the
school advanced studies. So so we do
have this national brief. So being able
to show that we've collaborated with
other universities in the UK um is you
know is is us demonstrating our um our
support for the university strategy.
>> Yeah. Good. Thank you. And there's one
last question in the Q&A and again
that's for you Gabby. Are the library
staff members you mentioned working
fulltime on this project?
Um,
no, almost no one in the library is
full-time on on any project related to
the to the maker space. I mean, my I I
have I also have many other sort of
responsibilities and managing the space
is is is just one of them. But um but
no, I mean the the various library staff
who um we collaborate with. So one of
them is for example the the um the
person who's the archavist of the
Institute of Classical Studies um Helen
and Roman library and um you know being
the archavist is not that person's only
job and you know supervising students
who are 3D imaging objects in their
archives is not the only job of an
archavist either. So it's um you know
these these are people who you know who
are extremely um generous with their
time and very collaborative and you know
we do work with quite a lot but um
but uh yeah we no no one is is full-time
on this. If if the maker space was based
in the library, obviously that would
that would require a little bit more
library support for it. Um, in terms of
the, you know, the number of person
hours to to run this space. Um, part
part of the reason we don't have people
hammering down our door so much is that,
you know, we're not in a space where
people are constantly flowing through it
expecting the the resources around them
to be available to them. So if there are
sort of study rooms and bookable spaces
and all these sort of things and one of
those is a maker space, people would be
there in a space expecting that these
things are available to them and we'd
get we'd get much more. So I I suspect
there'd be a little bit more of sort of
resource management needed in that in
that um circumstance. So we um we did we
did initially in in 2022 discuss
physically locating the maker space in
the Senate House Library. um that ended
up not being the way we the way we
organized it partly because we wanted so
many outside facing events that you know
access was um was an issue but um but
that's it is it is slightly different
from a library-based mega space and I'
I'd be very interested in in you know
talking with someone about you know what
a library based mega space would look
like I know there are there are a few I
more mega spaces are in library the