Video summary
The Board of KDE e.V. presented its annual report, marking a significant shift from traditional AGM formats to a more accessible presentation for the wider community online. The session highlighted the organization's current stability and growth, celebrating the 30th anniversary of the KDE project with renewed optimism. Key figures introduced themselves, noting that board positions are up for election this year, while emphasizing the collaborative nature of the team which includes both elected members and dedicated staff like Petra, Farit, and Joseph who manage administrative tasks, financial oversight, and specific projects such as digital serenity. The report underscored a strong sense of community pride, particularly regarding the technical culture of respect that has been cultivated over three decades.
A major focus of the report was the Sovereign Tech Agency (SDA) project, identified as the largest in the organization's history by financial volume alone. The Board explained that this massive undertaking required nearly five years of preparation, including academic research to prove the societal value of open-source software and learning how to manage multi-year grant-based projects responsibly. They stressed that the project was designed from day one as an international collaboration involving US, European, and other contractors to ensure it represented "sovereignty for all" rather than a single group. The Board also addressed concerns about event funding becoming more difficult due to economic conditions, suggesting that future strategies might need to better articulate the necessity of community-funded events as the lifeblood of sovereign software stacks.
Financially, KDE e.V. is in its best shape ever, with individual donations now comprising a larger proportion of income than corporate patrons, a trend that has remained strong and increasing. The organization boasts over 1,300 supporting members and nearly 900 recurring donors, alongside stable corporate partnerships from companies like Rocky Linux and Framework Laptops. While acknowledging the challenges in securing event sponsors, the Board expressed confidence in their financial runway and reserve funds. Looking ahead, they outlined strategic goals including better documentation, next-generation styling for KDE, and enterprise deployment support, while also committing to stabilizing large-scale projects rather than constantly launching new ones. The presentation concluded with an invitation for community members to engage directly with the Board on Thursday regarding these strategic initiatives and future hiring needs.
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Good, good, good, good. Then yeah, this
uh in this talk we're going to do a
slightly different talk that we've been
doing so far. We're going to be doing
the more report. As a bit of a reminder,
this is uh something we used to do in
the AGMs being the KDV uh assemblies
that we do every year. Uh what we
decided to do eventually was to move it
to academy so that it was not only part
or only some content that was part of uh
what we are doing to our membership uh
but also to the wider community
including those of you online. It's
important that uh well everybody uh
knows uh or whoever wants can know that
what kind of tasks are we taking on and
what kind of things are we thinking
about right especially those of you who
want to join one day and are wondering
should I be a member or not right
um to get started let me introduce
ourselves first um do we want to go
through all of us
>> you can introduce us
>> all right Um, well, I am Allesh. I am
the president these days. But here we
have Lydia Pincher. She was our
president for a while. Now she's a vice
president. I don't know why I say it
like that. Here we have Kwan. He's one
of our new members of the board and so
is uh David Redondo and Akahine who's
our vice president and uh treasurer. Now
um well this is an elected board and uh
we have three year terms
and Lydia's and my uh position are up
for vote this year on the AGM which is
going to be um couple of weeks into
October. Uh so if any of you want to uh
well join this team and all of the tasks
that you will see that we are uh
thinking about you may uh step forward
if you're a member and participate in
the vote.
>> Thank you. Um we selected a few uh
things we want to spotlight as part of
the report. And the first thing of
course is that Katie turned 30 and as
part of the work we did on the board and
as uh the EV at large is supporting u
the celebration around 30 years of KDE.
Um
and KD is really a first success story
that we can all be proud of. Um but of
course we have 30 years behind us and
hopefully so many more ahead of us. Um
and especially in the last uh few years
uh we've reached new heights by getting
closer to our users organizations around
us um building alliances uh like we did
for KD Eco. And yeah, uh there are also
a few trends outside uh our little
bubble that are working in our favor at
the moment. So things are looking bright
for the next 30 years.
And of course uh our supporters also uh
feel that. And here are just some of the
nice comments that people send when they
donate to KDV to thank us all for our
work. uh like you're the bomb.
Also, um
I fondly remember my time interacting
with KD developers and maintainers. Uh
thank you for creating a technical
community with a culture of respect. Um
and it's always nice to see when these
emails are coming into our inbox uh to
spread some love.
All right. Uh so the sovereign tech
agency project it's the largest project
in the history of the organization at
least by financial volume. Uh to put
that into perspective the monetary
volume of that project alone in 2026 is
bigger than the rest of our annual
budget.
um that meant that uh we had to approach
it um quite carefully and it took in
fact I would say
if you really trace it back almost 5
years to make it happen because it
didn't just start with applying um for a
grant from the sovereign tech agency. In
fact the work even started before the
sovereign tech agency even existed. uh
we had people in the KD community like
for example Milo Bur that did research
work to really make the case at least
academically for why government should
take an interest in supporting open
source software making the case that it
is part of public digital infrastructure
um that it is important for society that
open source software and free software
is taken care of and thereby influence
policy makers and perhaps even cause um
agencies like the sovereign tech agency
to appear on the scene.
Um as the organization KDEV we had to
learn a lot of things um to be in a
place where we could apply for a project
of this size we had to learn how to
write applications uh we had to learn
how to run multi-year projects that are
grant-based which we did for example
with the blue angel projects and others
um we had to grow the organization to a
certain scale where would we would be
able to do monitoring and oversight of a
project like this because of Um, we also
learned over the years that spending
money when you get it is actually not
that easy. You might remember all the
years where we talked about we have to
downspend the reserve and we have to
find ways to do that. Um, so all of
these lessons I think sort of culminated
into making it happen now. I know for
some this was maybe felt a bit slow. Um,
when the SDA first appeared a lot of
people were asking why don't you do this
now? But uh for us it was very important
to do it at a moment of time where we
felt comfortable that it doesn't put us
at any risk. Um that we can do this in a
sustainable fashion. And um also of
course we got a lot of help from the
community in figuring out what we should
actually uh do in this type of project.
You heard Kevin and Nate talk yesterday
about the great things that they're
doing. And I think um now that we even
saw this morning get um a goal elected
that fits very well to the content of
what is being done in the SDA project um
that also feels um to us like um these
synergies um where they're ready for the
taking. Uh maybe one last point. Um
sometimes we do see the concern that um
the idea of sovereignty could also have
a darker side, right? That it uh begs
the question of sovereignty for who and
does this pit us against each other in
in the modern world. And I'm very happy
that um this is not felt in the SDA
project which from day one was an
international collaboration and where
some of the contractors involved are
US-based, Europeanbased and it's really
sovereignty for all of us and not for
one specific group.
All right. Thank you.
Yeah. And also something we wanted to
shed light on is that well for the
longest time we were uh thinking about
uh how can we convince more and more
people to um be embracing what what we
are creating and something we've seen
this year is that a lot of people in the
wider market has been uh taking notice
and into consideration our products to
the extent that like our software is um
shipped by default on like more and more
um hardware manufacturers which also
means that um well first they're
trusting our product and then it also is
getting uh put in hands of people also
several other distributions have been
taking uh our software more into account
in ways that we had not been seen
historically. One of our pet peeves
maybe was that we hadn't been uh
communicating with these distributions
so well and and we see that right now
this has has changed uh quite a bit.
This is in turn also uh being picked up
by
increasingly mainstream outlet media
outlets that uh well put in good light
the the kind of work we do and also like
show our our task our the the things
that we put forward um on the eyes on
people that would have never like really
considered approaching the free and open
source community as we used to know it
some time ago. uh things like gaming for
example are are big parts of that and um
we've also been considering and been
thinking about a lot about how we
explain KD and how we should be doing so
we did a sprint a few months back with a
few contributors and I think that this
is something that we will be talking uh
more about because maybe like free
software and KD in general we it needs
to change how we how we explain it
obviously our values remain But what we
tell people uh needs to be somewhat
massaged and adapted to the need newer
audiences and newer interests. Right.
Oh, who's
so the EV is not only the board but it's
only is also its members. Um and since
last academy we have eight new members.
You can find the names on the slide. I
will not say them all out. Um, one
interesting thing is last year we only
had three new members and there were
five pending. Um, and we said uh as
always we want the EV to be a reflection
of the active community. So if you know
active people that are not in EV, ask
them to be in EV. Um, and I think it has
slowed down a bit again. So most of the
eight members on this uh slide were when
I checked it uh basically at right after
last year's academy and then a few more
during the year. So it seems we have the
cycle of oh we have new members then
maybe a bit less again and then we say
we need new members. So it would be nice
maybe to have that a bit more steady.
We also only not have active members but
also supporting members. We now have a
lot supporting members thanks to the
fundraising campaigns. We now have over
1,300
supporting members in the EV, which is
amazing.
On top, we have other people that are
supporting EV monetarily. We have over
200 supporters on GitHub from
uh just under 200 last year and we have
almost uh 900 or just over 800 recurring
donors on donor box which are not
supporting members but still regularly
giving us money which is also amazing
and it's a huge pro in almost all of
these numbers. On the corporate
supporting member side, we gained two
new patterns and didn't lose any, which
means we now have 13 in total. The two
new ones are Rocky Linux and Framework
Laptops.
Um, additionally, we got two new
supporters of KDE. We I did not put the
names there because they're actually
actually uh people that just wanted to
give us money and did so through the
company but didn't want their own name
being uh publicized that way.
And uh we heard the board, we heard uh
our uh supporters and of course we also
have staff and contractors who are doing
a ton uh to support the work of the
kitty community and DV. Um we have Petra
who is the assistant to the board and
make sure that we are not going crazy
and that uh our books are in order. Um
we have Farit who is making sure that
our goals are going.
Um we have Joseph uh who is just coming
in
uh who has supported the K eco project
and is now uh driving work around
digital serenity for us. Uh we have
Nicole who is uh making sure that uh we
are doing everything right with the um
STA uh project and uh also that we are
having an amazing celebration.
Uh then we have uh Aneka and Paul to
make sure uh we are talking to the rest
of the world about all the amazing
things you're all doing. um Dina helping
us put up uh academy and other events,
Thiago uh to make sure that we're
documenting what we're building. Um
and uh Kristen uh Nico and Richie on the
development side for um Plasma software
platform and accessibility.
All amazing people. Um give them a hug
when you see them.
AND while we're talking about people, we
are hiring uh now for a sislement
position. So if you are interested in
working for KDV um as a systemman, this
is your chance. Or if you know someone,
point them to our job ad
and uh we will have some more to come uh
soon.
That's me. Um we alo at a few
conferences since uh last academy
um I mean academy and aso academy Spain
um we organized with Gnome the Linux
appsummit uh in Berlin
this year and uh for the first time in a
long while we had like a US-based event
in the at 20 uh at FY called Camp
and we as well like a few sprints. Uh we
had the mega sprint here in the T class.
Um
this year we had the strategy messaging
sprint in Berlin where we try to um
do the communication like some grand
communications.
Uh we have the echo workshop in Berlin
too.
And we have a pin sprint. We have a pin
sprint in Paris. Um that not a lot. We
could organize more and um if you are up
to it would be nice if for more
committee members will try to organize
sprints um around um the world. Yeah.
And the list of sprints are in the
wikis.
And aside of organizing on conference
and sprints, uh we also attended a lot
of events uh across the year. Uh I won't
list all of them because that's a lot of
them. Uh but some highlights um are for
example the cute computer summit
uh lot of events related to public
transport
thanks to WA and a few others
um and yes lot lot of like the Linux
stack and um local Linux events open
source events
All right, the financial overview. I
will keep this relatively brief because
we have the financial working group
report coming up in the next slot where
I will go into somewhat greater detail.
Um but in short um at 30 years um of KD
community, the organization that is
backing it KDV is currently in the best
financial shape it has ever been. Um you
saw already our donor numbers um they
are up. In fact um the shift over the
last years has been that proportionally
um more of our income comes from
individual donors than from corporate
patrons. Um this really started
exploding a few years ago and it has um
remained very very strong. It keeps
increasing. Um everything looks like um
also in this year we will see another
increase. uh meaning we will have um for
several years in a row then achieved a
surplus and uh also the size of our
reserve is uh proportional to the sort
of runway that we would need if things
um were to get tougher. Um therefore I
think we're overall um quite happy with
how things are going. Um, thanks also
for for example the fundraising working
group for the amazing work that KD Promo
is doing and of course to all of the
donors and partners that um do show up
to keep the organization kicking.
Um the maybe one small negative um that
we do observe is that um event
sponsoring
all across the free software community
has gotten a lot tougher. Um keeping our
events and by our I really mean the
entire first community funded and um in
the black is getting tougher. Um this
could be the economic environment that
we work in. It could be that we maybe
need um to think about how we can
promote our events differently, how we
can really make the argument for why
they are necessary, why they are, for
example, the lifeblood of um a sovereign
software stack because it's where the
work happens, right? So maybe that's the
next step. That's something to think
about. But overall um things are very
very good in the KD EV finances right
now.
Oh, I do have the next slide. Um, we
also um produce an annual report about
um the activities of the KDE community
in general and um KDEV specifically. Um
you can find many exciting stories in
this report. Um you can also find um
reports by the working groups and what
they have achieved including for example
the financial working group uh but also
the others and um if you need one place
to catch up with what's been going on in
the past year than the annual report
it's a great way to do that
and that brings us to the KD goals uh as
you have already heard this morning Um
we have three outgoing goals. Uh the
streamlined application development, we
care about your input and KD needs you.
And we have selected three new ones. Uh
KD for enterprise deployments, better
documentation and next generation
styling for KDE. Um and I want to say
thank you to all the past and new
champions and fit for making it happen.
Right. Um then now um something we
always try to do at the end of this
presentation is to uh give some ideas on
what kind of things we have in mind and
that we we would like to work for the
next year and then before that uh go
through the the the things we said last
year that we would like to look into and
and reflect on how it went and how it
could have been done. um any better now.
Well, first of all, Kitty goals. Lydia
just was talking about this. We got new
goals. Uh we had goals. So, from our
perspective, it has all been um pretty
good. Um
it remains a little unclear for us as a
KDV how to support it beyond what it is.
We have we are helping already with uh
allocating for it on the project. we and
he's doing a a great job and helping a
lot to to move the the program further.
But actually maybe at the academy once
again is a good moment to think about
like what what could the KDV do to help
the goals. Maybe we have uh great ideas,
not mediocre ideas. We want great ideas.
Tell us. And uh well, we'll see if we
can make it happen. um something we were
talking about last year and I'm sure we
will continue talking about has been
reacting to the financial landscape we
came um or maybe I came to this board
many years ago coming from like very big
donations and actually like it started
changing from like having the big
companies or bigger companies anyway uh
funding what we do to increasingly more
um individual people, private people uh
deciding to support our endeavors.
We see that continuing. We actually are
hoping that uh people will continue
supporting uh KD task and like a lot of
what we do actually is already based on
on on that support. Uh corporate support
slightly increased. We were talking
about having uh two new patronons and
we're very happy and grateful. We don't
see that increasing a whole lot. Uh we
were also talking about increasing like
the price of our sponsorship uh for
patrons because it has been stable for a
while. We decided not to do it just yet,
but we will uh still review that maybe
when we're not celebrating a birthday or
something. Um
um some one of our bigger tasks as a KDV
is like bringing KD from the virtual
into the real world and as such like
bringing everyone to academy and L. We
continue doing like that. We are
thinking of of still do it for the
foreseeable future and we're happy about
it. And yeah, our um special thing of
this year was uh the 30th version
birthday celebrating it well. We're
celebrating already uh with the help of
Nicole with all of the academy team
especially for the um things that we are
doing here at the academy. It's went
pretty well. We've been working with the
documentary team of the video you saw on
the opening yesterday and I think that
this is going pretty good as is
we're also talking about uh putting an
focus on infrastructure as well. Uh it's
one also of the big tasks that we do as
as the KDV.
we have been increasing our uh spending
on on
well servers uh to support the the KD uh
task and I think that this is starting
to show it it's um well improvement
we're also hiring for uh well human help
in the CIS admin team and actually we
are expecting that this is going to well
help uh make all of these task um
easier.
Now we are also talking a lot about uh
direct uh software delivery. Kind of
what we were talking about here was
bringing KD's products closer to the
user. Um we have been talking for the
longest time about improving the um
organization of flat hub and well it's
um well legal entity. Uh this is not
really closed yet actually. I'm going to
put that on the next year's uh
presentation presentation slide. uh but
we still been working on it and actually
there is good progress this year already
on that front. We will see how that
goes. Also, KD Linux has been um well
blooming uh slowly there and I and we
see this part of this uh pointing here.
Then um as
as our role in society, we do see that
KD uh is uh increasingly seen and
present in the big communications in the
public. Obviously, it could be better,
it could be more, and we expect you to
continue making that happen. But um it's
definitely something that has has shown
an improvement for this year and it's
also well connected to this first point
here. So what we're talking about for
this next year um as we've been doing a
little bit like Lydia was saying with
this whole presentation we've like tried
to made it a bit lighter.
One of the things we did here uh as you
will see is that like we removed academy
and getting together because this is
something that we do every year and it
continues being one of our top topics.
It's just like not something that we uh
think it's super important that we
remind in this in these slides. We want
to be talking more about these more
strategical and um semantic topics. Um
now
strategic messaging was uh something
that we've we've had in our minds
for for the last uh few years. We have
been trying to narrow down into these
things. Those of you who are part of the
membership already saw the uh
conclusions of our meeting.
Um now we are uh a little bit in the
state of uh taking these conclusions and
putting them into action. I would say
that uh a lot of the conclusions we had
there are quite actionable already. So
feel free to uh see what to make of it
and if you don't see how to do it
actually academy is a good moment to
have the conversations uh set up above
we tell other people to come see how we
can make them happen
and
>> and there is an above that Anika is
putting together about the strategic
messaging as a whole please go and join.
Thank um
as an organization we have been growing
quite a bit. Uh I was telling earlier
that we had the biggest project in terms
of of financial of our history. This not
was not only a financial project but
also a lot of development that is
happening happening also with a big
organization in well our little world.
So it's something that instead of saying
all right like we already won let's um
do more of that and better and harder
and faster what we're thinking is okay
let's try to stabilize this in this
project uh we're also taking another one
um soonish that is going to be starting
it's going to be announced as well uh
but we think that with this two we can
probably like stay uh see how it works
with working with public agencies and
such uh see that the result that we get
from it is as good as we expected and
go with it. Um we're also mentioning by
name here flatub this year. We're
talking to making sure that uh you can
um at least do what flat is set set up
to do. Um we think that it's going to
happen this year. This is the year. So
uh yeah we we are saying it. Um and as a
last point we wanted to talk about the
contribution landscape. We will have
seen that uh well first we are happy
with how we collaborate. We are happy
with how we work but we also see that
there are a lot of things that are
changing in in the wall in but also how
people are creating applications how
people are developing and how people are
reporting to us as a community. This is
not entirely something that we think
that the KDV should be um taken care of.
It needs to be the KD community that
comes to terms into what they want from
it. uh but obviously as KDV we need to
be aware and alive of
all of that is happening and and be
reactive to it. So if you see that there
is a way that the KDP can help reach out
to us. uh we will be doing our own due
diligence on that topic and we will see
what can be done if anything and so
now uh you can feel free to talk to us
many of you already do some of you you
never do
you also don't have to but you can you
can find all of us uh through the
hallways of of academy you can find all
of us in the different uh chat rooms in
matrix and beyond
We will be having a buff on Thursday uh
where you can join and like we don't
really have an agenda prepared. You can
come there and say why do you think this
is a good idea or bad idea.
Everything is more or less on the table
as long as it's in a happy spirit and
well presented as always.
Um yeah that's what we wanted to talk
about today. Um, thank you very much for
listening and we'll go through the
working group reports now.
>> Uh, we have some time for questions.
>> Oh, we do have some time for questions.
So, if you have a question that is not
fitting the bill for Thursday, you can
do it now. Or if you're not going to be
around on Thursday,
>> we've got one question here.
>> Yeah, real quick one. Um, I'm interested
in the flatub stuff and why it's p it's
uh stalled. Who would I talk to about
that? We can talk about that if you want
later. Sure.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> Have we got more questions? We have 10
minutes.
>> You've play explained it so well that
there are no questions.
>> Are you all awake?
>> Is everyone still awake or is everyone
asleep?
>> Oh, Cornelius has a question. Okay, I'm
coming.
Thank you. Um,
you talked about the sovereign tech
agency. Um, uh, one one question I would
have, the Glom Foundation also got money
from the sovereign tech fund and they
got in some some trouble with that. Uh,
have you looked into what kind of things
you might want to avoid to have a good
and safe environment that KDE stays on
top of that and doesn't make the same
mistakes again? Uh, yes. So we did do
background research on what exactly did
take place um at the Gnome Foundation
and um why it was so difficult for them
and um I will not go into detail as to
what the Gnome Foundation did exactly
and what transpired there. Um but um I
can say we managed to stay clear of this
one. Uh we did do a lot of active
research into um what kind of things
about this type of project and
specifically also the contract we were
signing might put um the organization at
risk. Um we spent time for example
extensively with our tax advisor um
sending long catalogs of questions for
back and there were definitely some
things um that we didn't know at the
start that we discovered throughout the
process um that we need to be mindful
of. Um for example, maybe this is
helpful also to other organizations that
want to undertake this type of project.
Um,
one of the reasons why KDEV is also
putting engineering resources directly
into the project is that um, we cannot
just be passing the money through the
organization to subcontractors for
example because that could put our
taxree status at risk because in the eye
of the state or society um the reason
why we have or enjoy a tax-free status
is that we provide value to the society
and therefore we need to add some sort
of value on top of what is being done.
So we have to actively participate in
the project. Um and that means also that
we need to have a certain amount of
scale and for example direct employees
rather than subcontractors that
participate in this type of project. Um
so yes there are definitely um some
things that you should know if you want
u to uh do this type of thing as a
fellow open source organization for
example. And um if uh you are out there
and you're contemplating doing this and
you want to benefit from our experience
then of course uh you can get in touch
um with the KD community at any time and
we will try to be helpful.
One more question here. um you have
created a new job position for the
Zetman and I believe all job positions
that have been created are great and
helpful for KDE but what's actually the
decision process for deciding oh we need
to hire someone
I can I can maybe answer this since I'm
holding the mic and we're all lazy.
Um so it comes up in many different
ways. It's discussions at academy. It's
discussions with the working groups.
It's conversations that take place on
the membership list. Um the CIS admin
one for example has been talked about
for three or four years at this point.
And um one of the reasons um that um we
need to help scale there is because
we've put so much more infrastructure in
place and we see this not change in the
upcoming years uh with projects like KD
Linux that um are particularly
infrastructure intensive. Um the CIS
admin hiring is not the only thing we're
doing there. We've also gotten recently,
for example, some new uh corporate um
help with um the CI CD system and things
like that. But it it takes being
attentive to sort of the needs of the
community and it also takes um you all
being proactive and suggesting things.
Um we have in the past at times um also
run very explicit tell us what we should
be hiring for campaigns. Um some of you
might remember the make a living um
initiative that we had um where the
premise was um as experts in the
communities matters um give us also your
ideas of what types um of jobs would
stand a chance to sort of be get other
jobs as in what could we strategically
fund from the KDEV side that would lift
the tide for everyone and maybe generate
other KD jobs elsewhere. Um that's also
something that we still like as a
premise. We still try to um also do
that. The SDA is another example of
that. We facilitate it happening by also
participating in the project, but of
course it also um pays um the bills for
other KD contributors um that are
working for our partners. So that's more
or less how it works.
>> We have four minutes left and no
question.
Have we got another question?
Have you got something more to say? Oh,
we have Thank you very much.
>> Maybe we can change. I give this one
there. Where was the question?
>> I'm faster.
>> I actually meant to ask Lydia in person,
but now I can I found her finally after
two days. Um, donating to KDE. In quite
many countries, it's possible to tax
deduct donations. And we've been in
contact two years back about tax
deductions in Austria. And I'm a bit
curious about not just the Austrian
state, but generally because I checked
recently doing filing my taxes and I
couldn't deduct donations yet. I'm
curious about the progress there.
>> Yeah. So, KDEV is a organization in
incorporated in Germany as a non
nonprofit and that's why we have our tax
uh status. Um there are some um
countries in the EU where you can still
claim a donation to a German EV on your
uh tax deduction, but that is something
you have to figure out unfortunately
with your tax advisor because we can't
give you tax advice. Um and then there
are cases where we would need to set up
local organizations for that to be
possible and we have tried to avoid the
overhead of this because it is uh
usually quite a bit um of work to do.
But um if it is expected that uh it is
worth the money coming in uh then we can
always uh talk about this more
>> for Austria and especially you can talk
to to Harald who looked into this and
talked about it with his tax advisor I
think and it turns out it needs to be
done I think through Austrian tax
advisor for some reason. So, it's not
even something we can do by ourselves.
>> Sounds like there's a follow-up to the
question. Maybe give him the microphone.
>> I I think we can take it oneonone. I
unfortunately know more than I want to
know about the Austrian tax system. So,
okay. Thank you.
>> Well, we also know way too much about
these things. So, if you can talk about
it with your tax advisor, it's better
for everyone.
Okay, we have one and a half minutes
left. Is there one more question?
Preferably on this side of the room.
>> Well, while people think about
questions, like something that this is
something that keeps happening and like
there's always the possibility of
setting up an organization in a
different country. We did set up one in
Spain long time ago. This is something
that can be done and then you will have
uh the ability to do to donate there
without uh tax advising and then we can
find ways to collaborate with these
organizations and and make that happen.
That's fine. But like it needs to be
people in place who want to to do this
this admittedly boring extra work.
>> Okay, our time is almost up. I'd like to
thank you our lovely board AND