Reckless Ben Breaks Silence on LEGO Lawsuit, Getting Arrested, & Losing Everything

Hi. How's it going? So, basically, my friend said that uh you guys have some of his Legos. >> Years ago, I had to leave now. >> This story is so much bigger than just stealing $200,000 worth of Lego. >> Tonight's story began with a missing Lego collection and ended with a SWAT raid. >> What charges are you facing right now? Oh my gosh. Okay, we got so much. We got criminal stalking when I tried to start from court papers. Cyber stalking when I made the GoFundMe. I've already been to court, I think, three times for each of those. And those court cases could drag out to 2 years. I'm in a lawsuit right now. The lawyers are saying $10 million minimum. >> Are you stressed out right now with the lawsuits? >> No, it's fun. I love it. >> Well, it's exactly the same. >> Their logic is if I'm in jail, I can't release my documentary and then they get away with their crimes. >> It seems like they've done anything and everything to stop you. >> We play differently here. >> This is a classic example of corporate greed working with a lot of money using the cops to sweep a crime under the rug. These are sets he has not been paid for. >> They're not going to get away with this. >> I am no longer allowed to even mention this mystery company or I will be in jail. >> They're trying to silence me right now, but I'm just going to come out and say all of their secrets that they don't want you to know. [music] >> Reckless Ben, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. >> Oh, yeah. Well, thanks for having me. This [laughter] This place is sick. >> Thank you. You have created arguably the number one story of 2026. I never thought I would be so invested. I'm not going to lie. YouTube recommended me this video maybe 20 times, but I saw $200,000 worth of Lego stolen and I honestly could not care less. And then Graham said, "You need to watch this series. It's insane." And I watched the first episode in 10 minutes. I was completely hooked. It almost has nothing to do with Lego. >> Yeah. Um I I feel you on that. I would never ever click on a video, like an hour and a half long video on Legos either. I was kind of just banking off the fact I kind of exactly what you said like one or two people will see it and they're just going to tell everyone about it, you know, and then they finally watch it and they tell their friends. I was like, "Okay, they'll it'll just like it's not a good hook, but it'll spread, you know." >> I need to correct you right there because it's not actually Legos. It's actually just Lego. >> Yeah. A lot of people have been saying that it's like deer is what they say. You don't say. Yeah. You don't say deers, you just say deer. But it seems weird to be like, "Hey, can you please give me the Lego back?" Because then I think like, oh, there's just he stole one piece of Lego. I'd agree with you on that. >> I don't know if a singular Lego piece can be worth $200,000. There are there's a gold uh brick that's worth a lot of money. And some of the minifigures are worth substantial. Is >> it actually gold? It better be gold. $200,000. >> Yes, I believe they only made six in the world. >> Whoa. 24 karat gold. >> Maybe you should buy it. Good alternative investment. Beat your portfolio. I know international index one. Good luck. Anyways, $200,000 of Lego was stolen. What do people think this is about and what is it actually about? I >> I guess like from the clickbait, you're like, "Oh, I'm going to get a thing into like Legos and so I don't really care about Legos. Like maybe I won't watch it, you know?" But when you actually like watch it, it's about corporate greed and like a like a corporate entity that's in the wrong bullying the little guy because they can, you know, because they have power and they can get away with it. Even though they're not right, they can get away with it. And it's kind of a theme of like our justice system of like cuz you're taught growing up, oh, if you're in the right, you'll win. If you're in the wrong, you'll get punished. But throughout this video, you kind of see it's like whoever has more money, they kind of maybe get this like it goes their way. And then if you don't have money, even if you're morally and legally in the right, you can get screwed over just because you don't have the resources to fight. What charges are you facing right now? >> Oh my gosh. Okay, we got so much. We got uh criminal stalking when I tried to serve in court papers. Cyber stalking when I made the GoFundMe. I've already been to court I think three times for each of those and those court cases could drag out to two years. So that's the criminal side. Um we got I'm in a lawsuit right now. The lawyers are saying $10 million minimum for me and my friends what we're going to have to pay uh if we lose. But I think we we're going to try and fight that. Obviously, we got the TTRO um which could be a real restraining order. I got a second restraining order coming. They haven't served me yet. I'm still I don't want to say on the run, but uh they they are not they have we'll just say they haven't served me yet. Uh >> that coming. Yeah. Um so that's coming. I haven't been to my house since this dropped because of first we had a warrant for my arrest, but I got that dropped. We're dealing with that in court now. Uh then right when that got dropped, I got a second restrain or the first restraining order. So I was like, I still can't show back up to my house. Then right when they served me by email, they have a second restraining order that they're trying to serve on me. So the police have just been after me this entire time. Um they're trying to get me with extortion because they're saying that I told them if they don't give me the Legos back, I'm going to burn their corporate headquarters down and everyone. So I guess that's extortion, which is like super illegal. I didn't do that. But there's >> Where did they get that idea of? >> So, basically, I I just go up to him. I'm like, "Hey, I mean, you saw in the video where I was like, "You want to do this the easy way or the hard way?" You know, like the easy way implying like you can just give them the Legos back. Like, you're obviously like not entitled to like you didn't buy those. So, it like won't hurt them to give them the Legos back. That's the easy way. And the hard way is like everything that's happening now, you know? It's like we take them to court. We show the world that they stole the Legos and their brand drops because of it. Like that's the hard way. Uh but I think he thought the hard way was I burned down the building and everyone inside is what he took that as. >> That's the hard way. That's what he's I mean I told him I was like hey like once we make a documentary on this like it's not going to be good for your brand is what I said. But he took that as I'm going to burn down the building and everyone inside. And so immediately after I talked to him like I have the body cam footage. He goes and like I have the security camera footage of the corporate headquarters because it was in discovery. And he just immediately calls the police. She's like, "Hey, this YouTuber just came in and say he's going to burn down our building." I'm like, "What? Like, what?" >> Wow. >> And then I submitted all the raw footage to the police that shows that I didn't do that. Like, you can see I go up the elevator. I talked to him and I go down the elevator back to my car. No cuts. I submitted that whole raw footage to the police. I'm like, I don't know where he's getting this. And the police looked at it and then they still charged me. Anyways, >> how much money have you spent so far on lawyers? I >> want to say about 750 to 70,000 I think. I feel like it'd be in a lawyer's best interest to help you out for free because they would get so much publicity. >> So, everyone advising me has said don't do that because the people that are in it for free are probably not going to do the best job. They're doing it more for publicity and not necessarily to win. So, they I've been because at first I thought the same thing, but basically everyone I talked to says make sure you don't get a lawyer for free. Make sure you pay them because then there's like accountability if they don't do the right thing. It's like, "Oh, I paid you." You know, where there's kind of an out if they do it for free like, "Hey, he's not paying me so maybe I don't have to go above and beyond." >> I agree with that. How did you first discover the story about missing Lego? >> So, I just put at the end of my previous video, I said, "Hey, if you have a problem that the police can't solve, uh, email me this email." And I had made a whole email just for ideas. and I got probably like 10,000 like email ideas and I posted it on the way to Burning Man and then it started raining and so it was like muddy at Burning Man. It was like a 24 26 hour wait to get inside. So me and my friends were just going through all the ideas and we would just like start all the ones that we thought were the best and we came up with like 20 ideas that we started on. And some of them didn't really work out because like as you could tell like when I first did the Lego video, the first thing I do is I walk to Bricks and Bin Figs and I'm like I just want to hear their side of the story, you know, and then obviously they kick me out and they like get upset at me. So a couple of the video ideas were like okay let's hear their side and it's like oh well turns out this is kind of a misunderstanding or something or like I guess they weren't actually the bad guys, you know? So that happened a couple video ideas and the bricks and minifigs was kind of just one of the ones where I was like, "Okay, let me hear their side." And they just got super upset at me. So I was like, "Okay, let me just keep pursuing this," you know, cuz uh it seemed like there was like a huge injustice. So I was like, "Okay, I'll just keep doing this." You know? >> What were some of the other ideas that people sent in? >> Oh my gosh, there were some amazing ones. Uh like what's the craziest one? Cuz I'd imagine if you just say, "Hey, give me a case the police can't solve." You're going to get like >> Yeah. >> Wild stories. >> Well, I'm currently working on 12 of them side by side. A lot of them I'm still undercover. So, I don't really want to at least on the record not go into them yet because then all the audience, it just takes one troll in the audience to be like, "Oh, I'm going to tell this company that Ben's undercover in them right now, you know, and and then it ruins the whole thing and I'm like I'm like deep in some of them, you know. Tell us the ones though that you're not doing that were just crazy. >> Um like are you getting like cases? >> I'd say like slightly below that. Um >> you might have to censor this one out. I I can tell you. But maybe just put like a sensor over it or something like a bleep or I don't know or silence it. But uh this is one of the cool ones I'm working on. There was this guy [music] >> [music] >> It's like literally the exact same plot line as the Lego video. And so we go in, we're like, "Hey, we solved this case for you, you know, and they're like, "If you don't leave right now, we're calling the cops on you." And now I'm like completely now. This is like one of the most horrible things I've heard in a long time. That's what I'm saying. It's like it's like a few steps down from some of the things that I see you do are like I would say categorically genius. Like being able to come up with we steal from old people is the company name and the tagline is bricks and mini figs. Doing that or like you know covering up their sign and getting this woman to sign a document >> like [laughter] months in advance before you actually ended up using it because you were posing as like a FedEx delivery person or whatever. all of these things. It's like layer, it's like a game of chess. Move after move after move after move. I'm curious, what would you say your like actual value is? Like your skill set? Like what do you attribute this to? Are you like a a PI, an investigator, like a detective? I actually like the chess analogy and I use that analogy a lot. I'm like, this is like a game of chess and the way I win is the unpredictability. So, I like chess a lot. I go to chess club every Thursday, but it's like, okay, so if I play like a normal like E4 opening, you know, and stuff, and you play a normal opening, it's it's like I might win, I might lose if we're like the same skill level, you know, but say I I have like someone who's just like a beginner at chess and doesn't know anything and they just make some really weird moves I've never seen before. They might beat me just because of how weird they're playing and I don't know how to like counteract like counter their moves, you know? So, I kind of do the same thing. And I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to cope with some weird like strategy that's so outside of the box. You're never going to see it coming." And even though it's the stupidest thing ever, I might like beat you because you won't know how to react. You know, it's like this is like you're right. Like the thing where I'm like the FedEx thing or something like they didn't know how to react when they saw that signed document. So they literally would just close their store. Like they stopped calling the cops on me and they would just close their store down and were like, "Yes, like we won." You know, because it wasn't like a good idea at all. Like it was a terrible idea. but they just didn't see it coming, so they didn't know how to react to it and it worked. >> So, how were the Lego sets missing? >> It's kind of being debated how much the Lego sets were actually worth. And he already got paid out $17,000 from the previous owner. So, he wasn't owed $200,000, but that's just an easy number to use. But he puts his Lego sets in the store and the store didn't have enough money to buy them from him. So, they said, "Let's do a consignment." So, they're still your LEGO sets, but every time one gets sold, you keep like 70% or whatever, how much percent they're giving him, and we'll keep like the other percent, you know, as a thank you for like selling them for us. And so, it's working out fine. He already got paid $17,000 in this, so every time gets sold, he'd get the majority of the money. They keep a small amount, but then corporate comes over and takes over the store. for whatever reason that's not really any of Brian's or Mai's business. I guess there was a business dispute that's completely unrelated. Uh so they take over the store and they said everything in the store is now ours including these sets that weren't the stores to give him. You know, it'd be similar if I parked my car in their parking lot. Like they don't just get my car like it's not their car. Yeah. Yeah. >> So his uh his Legos are kind of like Yeah. car parked in the parking lot. they don't just get his Legos, but they're claiming they do. So when he shows up, he's like, "Hey, can I my Legos back?" And they say, "No, these are our Legos now. This is our inventory." And he's like, "What do you mean?" And like, "Well, you he's like, "I have this contract." And like, "Well, we're not a part of this contract. In order for us to be under an agreement, we have to sign something. And we didn't sign this contract. So, we don't have to listen. We don't have to follow the contract because we didn't sign it." And but what they are failing to understand is when they take over the business, they take over any of the agreements that are in the business, including that contract. So since they took over the business, they are taking over that contract now. Which their response to that is, well, if you want your Legos back, you can sue us, but by suing us, you'll spend more money on court than your collection's even worth, and you'll just lose money. So you'll lose time, money. It'd be much easier if you just let us keep the Lego sets. And that's where he was at. And why did this video then break the internet if it seems like it's just someone stealing Lego? >> I think because of the last sentence I just said. So the corporation says, "We know we're in the wrong, but we can get away with this because we have money and you don't." And I think people are tired of like big corporations like hurting the little guy. You know, it's like the punching down. You know, people hate that. And so I basically went to Brian. I was like, "Hey, you know what? we're going to stand up to this company and show them that the little guy can't get bullied anymore, you know? And I didn't do it from like a Mr. Beast perspective where I was like, "Okay, we're going to like pour all this money and like do all this like stuff." Cuz then it wouldn't have had the impact of like the little guy standing up to the big guy. Like I did it from the like from the story of, "Okay, we have no resources. How can we use our creativity to take down this big company, you know?" And it kind of really relates to people that like don't have resources and can't stand up. And so I think the message is really like if you're creative and if you like really put your mind into it, you can stand up to the big guy. You just have to like be creative and like make a voice, you know, speaking how the little guy can win. Me being a little guy, I suppose, I tried to find out if any public company had interest in bricks and minifig so I could short it and I couldn't find it. >> We were we were joking about that right before we posted the video. Oh yeah, it's not publicly traded. >> I I wanted to do like a Chris Camilillo social arbitrage trade and I I'm like aware of all this information this company's getting hit with like, you know, they have to spend all this money on lawsuits. They're getting all this negative press. I'm like, I can short this company and make a lot of money. No, there's no public interest. >> Yeah, we we were definitely joking about that right before we posted the video. We actually looked it up and then we were very disappointed when we saw that there was I've never like invested in stocks or anything my entire life, but >> we're going to change that by the end of this episode. We're going to change that. >> Dang. Yeah, I've never like invested in anything. Uh um I think Okay, I invested I think 20 bucks in Bitcoin like right when it started and it turned to like 500 bucks I think. But that's the only time I've ever I was like I should >> that didn't make you want to invest more like 20xing your money. >> I probably should have. Yeah. I don't know. I just I I just like spending all my money on videos. You like I don't have money to invest. Uh I just all my money I just put right back into the videos. >> How much do you spend per video? >> Not a lot. I think there was like a less than two. It was like we spent gas money to get up there. That was the biggest expense. And then the Airbnb and hotels and then food. That's about it. >> I I bought like maybe like 400 bucks of Lego props. Like we brought like the Lego costume. We brought some like Lego like maybe like I'd say like probably $2,000 budget maybe for the whole video. >> Now, when you were filming this, was there any moment where you thought maybe I could be wrong? Now people put off starting their LLC for months because they picture some massive legal headache. 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So, >> what do you think is the biggest misconception people have about this story? >> Um, hm. I don't know. There's the the spy glasses. It uh has the wrong time stamp in the bottom. It's like 2019. So, a lot of the reaction channels watching it, they're like, "He's been working on this for seven years." Like, "What the heck?" Like, "This is insane." I'm like, "No, we" And then they're like, "This and then it'll be like 2020." And we used like six or seven different pairs of spy glasses. They all have different dates to the bottom. So, it looks like we filmed it over like six years or something, but we really filmed it in like four or five days. I don't know. I'm trying to think the biggest misconception. Um, like storyline wise, I don't know. We just I I just tried to be like, hey, like we went in and just tried legal stuff, you know? We're like, I don't know if this is going to work or not. Uh, let's just try it. And, uh, we just did it. Um, and we just shared our experience, I guess. I guess, okay, the biggest misconception I think is everyone the entire time is saying like, get a lawyer, get a lawyer. You know, like like if you had a lawyer, you would have solved this immediately. Well, first off, Brian's wife is actually an attorney, so we did have a lawyer with us the entire time. And most of the ideas we would pitch to her. She's like, "That's the worst idea I've ever heard." And we're like, "Sick, that means it's going to be awesome." You know, cuz I've always thought that like the ideas lawyers gives are like really boring. But at the same time, we wanted to do it from the perspective of someone who doesn't have resources for a lawyer, you know, and because a lot of people, like say I just like threw like $50,000 to this video and we did it like the right way and we got the Legos back like easy, then the people watching at home are like, "Oh, he could have only pulled that off because he has money, you know?" And it's not like inspiring me to like stand up to my bully, you know? So, I wanted to do it from like the point like the from the perspective of someone who literally has nothing, you know? That way when you watch my videos it's like there's no excuse. Like if I can do it, you can do it. Like go out. I want it to be inspiring for people, you know? Like if I could do this with literally nothing, you can stand up to your bully. You can stand up to the person pushing you around. And so how did it go from something as simple as just standing up to your bully and like wanting to make something right? Some guy had his Legos stolen. You just want to return his Legos to you then being what would you call like charged with six crimes? Like how did how to bridge that gap? because I'm sure a lot of people wondering are so at the end of the first video I wasn't charged with anything you know we were just having fun I guess the cops were kind of which makes sense like it at the end of the day it is a civil matter and the cops really aren't supposed to get involved the cops were kind of being dicks but we I talked to the chief of police afterwards and he said that uh the police messed up they were given false information and wrote false information in the police report and since the police were going off the information in the police report they were going off false information. Didn't know the whole story. So, they apologized for that and they gave me like a personal apology which I really uh respected. And then it wasn't until we went to Utah where things started getting crazy. And I think this is once they f So, the whole first video they just thought I was some kid. Like remember in the phone call he's like, "Are you just some kid? Like this isn't how the world works. Like you're just some he's like are you young?" You know? So they just thought I was some like stupid idiot that they could like bully around, you know? And then in the second video, I think this one they find out on my YouTube channel because when we did the lawsuit, I had to like put all my information in the lawsuit. And so I think they were like, "Let's look this kid up, you know, and they found my YouTube channel." So they're like, "Okay, this guy's doing a video on us." And that's bad. So let's make up reasons to get him arrested is what I think they were trying to do. Um because why else would they be acting like this? So, I think they're just making up reasons to get me thrown in jail because their logic is if I'm in jail, I can't release my documentary and then they get away with their crimes. >> So, it originated in Oregon. That's where this whole like Yeah. the store was that stole the Lego. And then you went down to Utah because that's where the >> They closed the store. Yeah. And that's where the owners live. >> They closed the store and that's where they live. And so, you're effectively trying to create a lawsuit because you couldn't sue for this exact infraction because the store was closed or whatever. So, you try to create a secondary lawsuit of other people having their sto their Lego stolen on consignment from the same owner. It's a little bit complicated. Just trying to understand that's point, you know. Yeah. It's like we're trying to make it confusing and if it confuses you, it probably confuses them and if they're confused, then we win and we get the Legos back. >> And so, you you went all the way over to Utah and then this is where the problems really started happening because that's when they started charging you with like stalking and this and that. And I'm curious because Graham actually had an interesting opinion on this. He said that there's actually a fair argument to be made of like, okay, this could be cyberstalking or like in person stalking. I want to hear what your opinion is on the matter. >> Yeah. See, I was thinking if the roles were reversed and some YouTuber comes to you, would you think this is brave journalism or would you think it borders harassment? And I was >> Did I steal uh old man's collection and bully him? >> I I think I think there's an argument to be made because I'm I'm on your side here, but I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. I think there is an argument to be made that this guy did take over the store. The prior owner has really poor recordkeeping. A lot of this you can't prove without forensic accounting and anything he says is going to be used against him in a lawsuit. Uh that it's best for him to just shut up and let the legal system kind of work through its thing. I think it was really irresponsible for him to say anything and to make any threats or like anything. He was great. He should have >> It was It was amazing that Yeah, cuz most people do just shut up and he was just kept talking. >> He was the one making threats to you. You made threats to him. >> So, I think he was an idiot. But I also think there is an out there that he could say, "Listen, the prior owner, I have no idea what's going on with this. Um, bring me, you know, some sort of civil action or something, but until then, I'm out of it. I don't know what's going on. The prior owner, they're a mess." And leave it at that. And then maybe it wouldn't have gone to such an extreme. >> Yeah. Uh, but at the same time also like the prior owner, she gave us pictures of all of the Lego sets in the store still when they were kicking her out. So there was proof that at least a bunch of these Lego sets were still in the store. And so um, and he said like you guys can have them back, you know, and then when we show up, they just try to call the cops on us. So um, like if it was truly the previous owner, like I I I cut a lot of this out of the video because I thought it was kind of boring and it didn't really lead to anything. But there's a lot of parts in the video where I'm trying to team up with him. You know, I'm like, "Hey, let's if if you're saying the previous owner stole these sets, let's team up together and get the previous owner." But right now, she's sending me a bunch of pictures of these Lego sets still in the store with the metadata time stamps on them. So, it seems like you guys took the set, you know? >> Yeah, we're skipping ahead a little bit, but I saw in the Coffeezilla video the prior owner did admit that there's a chance of sloppy recordkeeping and that >> she might have stole some, too. Uh yeah, I I think there's a equal chance that the previous owner stole some and the the new owner stole some, but I tend to think just from my own opinion here that it's maybe not theft, but really just irresponsible placement, recordkeeping. You probably have employees who are in there. Sets get misplaced. Sets are sold, not recorded. Money goes elsewhere. And it's not maybe intentionally trying to like steal money, but it's just >> these are people who maybe weren't the best business people who >> Yeah, that's what the previous owner seems like. And it seems like uh so her response to this is cuz I've asked her like I as I try to be equal with both sides to bricks and minigs and Crystal. And so when I asked Crystal that, her response is, "Yeah, maybe I did underpay Brian for some of the sets we sold." But when I ask I I was kicked out of my store without warning and I lost all my inventories. I lost all the record bookkeepings and stuff. And when I ask for that back so I can see how much like I underpaid Brian, they won't give it to me. And they say I can sue them for it, but that's the only way I'll ever get it. And so it she it seems like she wants to make it right for if she did underpay Brian, but Bricks and Minfigs won't give her the inventory to let her do that. >> But just the fact that she would underpay Brian tells me right off the bat, I don't trust her numbers. I don't trust her accounting. I don't trust anything. >> Yeah, I want to make that clear, too, is yeah, she could be just as bad as bricks and mini figs in this situation, you know? Like I think she could be just as >> I think that there is a pretty big difference, though. one is hiding behind like the courts and one person is willing to have a conversation with you whenever you want. >> If she's open and she's willing to say, "Hey, I I'm here's all the evidence I have. Here's everything. Like, let's work through this together." And she's always been open to try and solving this. And then Bricks and Minigs just calls the cops on me every time I try to solve it with them. So, what I want to know is you get charged with like six different crimes. Explain how you ended up getting to the point of like getting sent to jail for this. Um, it's because when I tried serving papers, they said the paper it was not a real lawsuit and so they had to arrest me because if it wasn't a real lawsuit that I you could make an argument I was just being there for the sake of being there and then that is stalking like you guys were saying. But because they were real court papers, I did have a legitimate reason to be there and we were serving the papers. But so they arrested me because they thought it was a fake lawsuit. And so because it was fake then that makes me being arrested, >> but they didn't actually think that it was fake because in the released >> Yeah. So then the body cam released the body cam footage >> where I post the video where it says like they're like, "Is this a real lawsuit?" And she says, "Yes." So they have to change their story. So they make a press release. The chief of police comes out with his his ASMR voice and he goes, "The the court case was real. We verified it was real, but the papers have already been served." And because they've already been served, Ben was just reenacting this for YouTube views. And then the unredacted footage gets released where they the police officer says, "Have have these papers been served yet?" And they're like, "Nope, they still have to be served." He's like, "Okay, so they still have to be served." And he's like, "Yep." So then they got caught in another lie. And now my guess is they're coming up with another lie to counteract that. Uh so basically the pattern is let's lie, proof comes out to show they were lying. So we change our story. More proof comes out to show that the change story is a lie and then they change our story again. So it it's a pattern that we're seeing. Basically every plot point of the story is follows that same formula. But >> is [clears throat] there going to be any actual material consequence to the police department's malfeasants, their inability to actually serve good justice? I hope so. I've been thinking about this a lot. So, [clears throat] the part that kind of pulls at my heartstrings is if I sue the police department, it it's not the police that are paying for it. It doesn't come out of their budget or anything. Like, it comes out of the taxpayers's money. And it's like why do the innocent taxpayers have to pay me for what? It just seems weird. >> I would argue it's worth it. Like if someone wanted to sue my corrupt police department if I had I would be happy. Like even if it meant that like there was more budget there's already money being wasted literally everywhere. Not to say that a little bit more budget wasting is a good thing. It's the same way of saying like oh there's trash everywhere. I'm just going to throw trash on the ground. Not the same. But I will say you're a victim of someone spending your taxpayer money. you're also a victim of being subjected to a corrupt police department. So like it's it's bad either way. It's just like which one is the lesser evil? And I think you want to anyway. >> Yeah. I think you want to have I have heard that they have a budget just for like lawsuits and stuff like they have a budget allocated for when people sue the police department. So I think that's already like written in the budget or something. >> And probably also have insurance to degree to cover lawsuits. And then also a lot of stories have been coming out recently of people saying like, "Thanks Ben for exposing this. Like the American Fork police has been harassing me in the exact same way. Like I got falsely arrested. They're doing all this." Like I I've seen some crazy stories of this police department that have come out and people just don't film it. You know what I mean? And so you're right. like by suing them, it might I hate to use the word like teach them a lesson, but it might in a sense like make them not do this to other people cuz it for me it's fine. Like I turn it into content and I've capitalized off this. So to me it's worth it. I'm happy this happens personally, but to literally everyone else this happens to that isn't capitalizing off of it and it hurts them, you know, like sometimes like this has happened to people, it just they're innocent and it just destroys their life, you know, and that makes me really sad and it makes me want to do anything I can to make sure that never happens again to more people. The problem is when the people that are supposed to be arbitrating or mediating something, like the referee, the umpire, when they're biased, then there's no rules. there's no common language that you can that you can use to try to find equity or equality. And so like the same thing happens with freaking SGA in basketball. Okay, he can flop as much as he wants, but it only actually makes an impact when he's not called on it and he's able to do it as much as he wants. Same thing as '08. Like a big reason why the recession happened is because all of these like mortgage back securities or whatever, they were like rated or you know there's 500 data points within it and they were supposed to rate each 500 data points, but they were selective and only rated a couple. We had like a whole episode on this. And so like they would approve them as like very safe investments when in actuality they weren't. It's like the referees, the people rating the the the thing like the umpire, the referee. When those people are corrupt, that's when nothing can be trusted. And that's exactly what's happening here. So I'm actually more frustrated with the police department than I am with bricks and minifig. >> It's about equal. Yeah, I'd say the police department was super frustrating. When you do look at some of the unredacted body cam footage, some of it makes a little bit more sense when cuz I didn't know that they were threatening that I was trying to like people, you know, cuz Josh is telling them I tried to the manager, you know, and I'm trying to b their house and stuff. He's like, "You have to get rid of this person. He's trying to kill me, you know, and so if I'm a police officer, like that's like I don't want to take that chance of someone like I might just arrest the person that they're saying that about, you But even so, when they approach Josh in the body cam footage, he says, "Just take him away for anything." >> He says, "Whatever it is, just get him away from here. I don't care. Charge him with anything." That does not sound like someone who wants to use justice or like reason or any system of fairness to try to like find the the clear truth. When they talk to you, you're very composed and you're very patient. People in the comments were joking in the released body cam footage that you should be called not reckless Ben, but patient because of your like extreme exhibition of patience with these like insane things that are happening to you. I've never really had like bad encounters with the police. I've had a lot of police encounters and it's always been good. And I guess I've always just been taught like if you show the police respect, they will show you respect, you know? And it's always worked like that for me in my life except for uh yeah, pretty much this and I guess like maybe a few other videos, but mostly this. 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I'm always like the logical like, "Okay, here's what's actually happening. like let's prove this with facts and stuff, but it is weird that every time they talk to Josh and Brandon and the body cam footage, the first thing they always say is I'm on like this board of people of the Church of Latter-day Saints, you know, they're like, I'm like high up there. So, I think from the police's point of view, it's not like, oh, they're like my Mormon friends, like it's a Mormon cover up, but I think it's more of, oh, well, if he made it this high in the Church of Mormonism, he must be trustworthy, right? Because Mormons don't lie. against their uh like religion to lie and steal. So this person saying a Mormon lie this YouTuber comes from California like and also I feel like Los Angeles is a bit very like anti-religious like stereotype to it you know so like this guy comes from Los Angeles he's probably like some anarchist like you know like a cabab person you know how like he's like defund the police probably type of person because he's from Los Angeles you know and so he this hooligan comes from here to this person who has is really high up in the Mormon church like saying that he is lying and stealing that doesn't the YouTuber must be lying you know and so I think just which makes sense cuz I feel like most Mormons don't steal and lie so I feel like it's like a very rare for a Mormon to steal and you know there's no way after your videos let's just say this entire series across all the reactions all just the overall exposure of it there's no way you don't have like 500 million positive impressions about you and negative about bricks and mini figs and this person in particular. So there's no way this this this justice system or this police department is not getting inundated. Yeah. >> With people saying listen to Ben >> now. I don't know like maybe if I showed back up again and tried to serve papers it might go a little differently now. But uh this all happened before I released any videos or anything. So >> do you feel like though at the time being a YouTuber really hurt your credibility? >> Yeah. And I don't really blame them for this because I feel like most YouTubers that do the meta glasses thing, you know, like they are what I mean, you know, it's called like rage baiting. So they show up and the mentality is the more I can piss this person off, the bigger of reaction I'll get and the bigger of reaction I get, the more money I make. So it basically is if I make you mad, I make more money. And I think that's a net negative for society. I think most people agree like would agree with that. And so, but that's like what it's kind of come to. Like that's what the like metagasses Tik Tockers do. And it's very very rare you find someone like me who's actually trying to tell like a genuine story and actually try and like do something that's not for the clicks. Like cuz I'm not doing it for the clicks and likes and stuff. Like if I was, I wouldn't spend nine months making a video with no reward, you know? Like I'm doing this because I literally want to like help this guy and do it at any cost. And like I want to tell the coolest story in the world, you know? That's like my motivation. So, what you said was actually a really interesting point. It was by the time part two had been posted and like all of these things that you're documenting on your YouTube channel, there actually had been no public postings. >> I posted part one and part two on the same day. Yeah. >> Okay. So, so that's that's actually fascinating because I as a viewer was kind of under the impression that like by the time part two had rolled around, part one had already been posted. Even with all these millions and millions and millions of views, this police department is still just like completely ignoring it. But then you also said that they had actually listened to your responses. Um, and it came back with a changed story. That was in the press release. Yeah. So that was after I posted. So after I posted the video, then they did a press release cuz I think they were getting a bunch of hate like you said. And then they changed their story to say, "Oh, it was a real court case. He just hasn't he just already served the papers and now he's recreating because I thought they by saying that they could get out of it." But then the unredacted body cam footage released and we got to see that that was a lie. But >> at any point legally, do you think that maybe you took it too far? >> I I I try to do a thing and everyone has a different line, you know, of what's too far. Uh but for my personal line, I I so say like there's a line right here. I try and see like, okay, how far can I go? Like how close to that line can I get without crossing? That's my personal goal, you know, cuz I think that's just like the most fun for me. Like how like that's been the whole thing with everything. Like I don't you've seen my slack hunting videos. how dangerous without it really close without crossing it. And so I try and do that with like every aspect of my life, I guess. And maybe for some people I think the line is here. Like a lot of lawyers reacting to it, their line is like down here, you know? So just by me like like the first 10 minutes of the video where I don't even think I did anything yet, they're like, "Oh, Ben's already crossing the line, you So, everyone has a different line. >> The one thing I saw was that a lawyer was breaking down you having people sign a document without knowing what the what was in the document or you like changing like a little line in the document and adding it in and then like sneaking it in. And a lot of them were >> Oh, you talking about the Mckame Banner thing. So, I don't know. I just come up with like legal like ideas, I guess, that I just kind of pull out my butt. I'm like, this would be funny. Like I kind of like the chess move. like this is like the stupidest chess move in the world, but maybe they won't see it coming and maybe that's how I can get away with it. And I just like I was in a I was like a mechanical engineer, like a science major in college. And so in science, you just kind of come up with something. You're like, let's test it, you know, let's see how it works. And so that's what I try to do in my videos. I'm like, here's a hypothesis. Here's some legal thing that may or may not work. Let's try it, you know, and and let's document the results. And so yeah, I I I'm happy to admit that all my ideas are garbage, but maybe it's not. Maybe one works and it it's not garbage. But I think what you're saying with the I try to make sure that the stuff I'm doing isn't harmful though. So in your thing where it's like, okay, I'm tricking her into signing the document. >> A lot of people were saying like that's illegal. But I'm pretty sure the actual legality of that is because she doesn't know what she's signing. It's as if the contract doesn't exist. So, as long as I don't try to in hold her up to and like pressure her into fulfilling the contract that she was tricked into signing, then it becomes into fraud territory, but like I brought it up in a joking way. I'm like, "What about this contract that you know?" And like obviously the story I'm not going to enforce that like I'm not going to like I'm not going to show up and be like, "Oh, you actually owe me 5,000." It was a joke, you know, like there was something else in the contract. I think she had to call me like Lord Ben or something. So, it's it's not anything I'm like actually enforcing. I think we said that like do the chicken dance in it, I think was one of the things we said. But so none of the things we're actually trying to enforce. It's just goofy for this. >> How do you come up with these ideas? Like the other one was the lottery. >> Oh yeah. >> How do you come up with this? >> I don't know. I just try to think of like what would a lawyer tell me to do and then how do I do the exact opposite kind of or I I I just think of things. I don't know. I just have a weird brain I guess. So the way I cope with the lottery specifically was um I I try to my storytelling is I try and take complex things and simplify them so anyone can understand. And so I had no clue what like a civil crime versus criminal crime was. Like I knew they were like legal words, but I didn't really know what they were. So when I'm looking them up, I'm looking up, okay, so these are civil crimes on this side. Like it's something the court deals with and these are criminal crimes things that the police deal with. And like it's just we voted on like okay so there's two types of crimes like one the police deal with one the court and like we just vote on which who deals with what type of crime. And so I'm going through like trying to educate myself on this and a way to make it easier on I was like what if we just take one of these uh criminal crimes and see if we can reframe it as like what's happening you know and so I'm looking through and the one that seems easiest to me is the stealing from a lottery you know that falls under a criminal crime. So I was like, well technically maybe we could frame this as a lottery, you know, like if we actually run a lottery, like there's still Brian to give out. Like maybe we just sell one as a prize and then could be a lottery. So I thought that was an easy way to illustrate to the audience what a criminal crime versus civil crime was and and they're like, "Okay, now let's just act it out, you know, let's do it in real life. Let's do a lottery and they can pick it up at the thing." And it ended up not working out, but I thought it was worth a shot. It made for some funny footage. And >> how much legal research do you do? Like, do you have a lawyer at all just like to bounce ideas off of right now? >> No. Because they'd probably tell me it doesn't work and then what's the fun in that, you know, like like maybe it does work, you know? Uh like at the end of the day, I think it worked. Like we shut the store down and uh I think we would have won the 10 lawsuits if we would have actually gone through with it because I I think it would have worked, you know? Um but I don't know. Like it's worked for me every single video so far. or like Mckame Manor, like everything we did to him ended up ultimately working. We shut down. I was the last person to ever go through that haunted house. So, everything I've done has always worked so far. So, >> what do you think is the strongest argument Bricks and Miniigs has against you? >> Huh. Well, right now they've lied so much that I don't really know. Um, so their I'll just say what their argument is. So, their argument is that Crystal owed them $200,000, which I don't really know their business dispute. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. She's claiming that they locked her out of her account, so she tried to pay that $200,000 and they wouldn't accept it. And I've had I've talked to probably four or five other franchise owners that they've done the exact same thing to where they get owed money, but they don't let them pay it. So, it seems like Crystal's story holds up. But anyways, that's none of my business, I guess. But Bricks and Mayfig's story is that Crystal owed them this $200,000 and they took over the store to reimburse for the $200,000. So Brian's sets being in the store is part of Crystal's reimbursement. So Christa was forced to sell them sets she doesn't own. And now they're legally cuz it says they're Brian sets until sold. So they're like there's a bill of sale that happened. It's our sets. But then when I question them on the bill of sale, they don't have a bill of they said there was a bill of sale but there isn't one. Like they couldn't provide it. So that's their story is that they bought Brian sets from Crystal. Now Crystal owes him the money. But I don't think that's how that works. I think um it's like the car analogy. Like if if my car was parked in the parking lot during the corporate takeover, does corporate also get to keep my car? Because is Crystal now have to pay them for my car that they took from me? Like that's not how that works, you know? >> Who do you go to for advice? Just myself. Uh I don't know. I just think on it. I don't really need advice, you know? I just think of something and I'm like, well, let's test it out, you know? Uh, I guess the world it's like you just come up with a hypothesis and you're like, "Okay, let's it's just a test, you know, and we just simulate the test and then record the results and post it online." You said something really interesting in a piece of content I saw where you said that you have like this like legion of people in a Discord group of people that are hackers, people that are experts. Like >> they're the ones that helped me with the previous video I was just telling you about. That's how we found the guy in like two weeks. So, ex explain to me this this like group of people like where are they from? How did you encounter them? And what is like the what is the actual idea of the group? What's the purpose? >> Yeah, there's probably like I'd say like less than 10 of us. It's very small group, but and I wouldn't say we're like skilled. They're all kind of like people like me that are just like really like passionate, you know, with like little skills, but like very p because I think passion will beat skill set any day. you know, as long as you're passionate about something, like you put your mind to something, like we'll solve it. And so that's kind of what these people are. They're just people that are like super like, dude, I want to solve this thing, you know, that don't really care about like getting super famous or anything or don't really care about like yeah, like anything else except for like I I have a problem. I want to go to any means necessary to solve this problem and not take no for an answer. And that's what this group of people's like. And I just put at the end of my video once I was just like, "Hey, anyone uh want to help me investigate things?" And I had like a couple people hit me up and I just put them in a Discord and we just started going to town, I guess. >> What skills do you think are the most important to solving mysteries like this? >> Oh, just not taking no for an answer. I think you can be as skilled as you want, but if you're not passionate about it, you're not going to I mean, this is like you you'll hear every YouTuber say this, like I hear Mr. Beast say this all the time, you know? He's like, I don't want necessarily the best editor in the world. I just want someone who like won't take no for an answer and will just grind because that person like the only cuz that's how you become good, you know, is just by like cuz the more you practice something, the more you try, you're going to get better naturally just from the hours you put in. So I think that's what's separates a good person from a not like a talented person from a not talented person. It's not like I was just born talented at this. You're like, no, I'm good at this because I was passionate. I tried hard, you know, and because I was so passionate about this, I became the best at it. And that's like literally the only thing stopping people is like either they don't care enough or they just don't want it badly enough. But as long as you like want something badly like you'll figure out a way to achieve it. Is there something you couldn't solve? >> I don't know actually. May probably uh yeah I think so like some things but then it just we don't put it in the there's definitely a lot of dead ends. I'll say that. Uh, and then because I like my stories to be like this leads to this which leads to this which leads to this. And it always like one thing leads to the next. Like I hate dead ends where it's like because it's like why did I just go down this dead end just to go back? Like why didn't that not lead anywhere? So I hate doing dead ends. I like everything to lead to the next thing. So there are a lot of dead ends. I'll just cut them from the video usually. But I would love to see you solving cases like find serial killers. >> Yeah, I think that'd be cool too. I' I've thought about it. So there's two things with that. First off, I don't want to cuz like if I go after and stuff, they could just kill me cuz they're, you know, uh so they're already killing people, they might kill me. And if I'm dead, I can't do more future investigations. So that's kind of scary. >> It solve crimes that were maybe like 30 years ago or maybe now a little scenile and they might not be as like >> quick. Yeah. And the other thing is like I like to have fun with my videos, you know? It's kind of hard to like talk about like someone's like I guess >> and like cuz if I'm like having fun doing that then people are going to be like oh why is he taking such a light-hearted approach to a murder like why isn't Ben being ser and then >> it kind because I I I do this not because of like views or money or anything like I've never made money my entire life or like my whole career I've never made anything like I used to be an engineer. I was making way more in college as an engineer than I am as a YouTuber right now. So, like I'm not doing this for my I'm doing this because it's fun for me, you know, and if I start if it starts not becoming fun, then >> I thought you would be making way more money with the amount of views that you've been getting per >> Well, from the Lego thing, I'm finally starting to not have to worry about money now. But I before I guess even Mckame Manor is when I could finally be like, "Okay, now I can finally pay rent and not be scared about paying rent and food." But before Man, yeah, I was like, "I don't know how I'm going to pay rent this month." Uh like I don't know how like I remember like eating Thanksgiving just like plain pasta. No uh like I couldn't even afford pesto sauce. I was just eating. It was so sad and I was like one day I'll be able to afford pesto sauce was my thinking. >> What were you doing though like monthto month to pay the bills? >> Um I would just take like random gigs and stuff. Um like I was a cameraman for some of my friends. They would pay me to like hold the camera for them like filming their videos and stuff and uh just like stupid jobs. I don't know like what what kind of job like handyman jobs. So I would hold the camera a lot. That was kind of a one that was just like I'll just do that for like two hours and make like 100 bucks, you know, and if you do that 10 times that's like rent. Uh and then I was making some money from AdSense, but I would it was just so unpredictable cuz like randomly like I'll just get demonetized or my video will get taken down for no reason. Um, that's been like my whole YouTube career. Uh, I don't know. I did a TV show called The Go Big Show that paid kind of well, I guess. I think I made $5,000 from that. So, that lasted me like five months cuz I was my I I split a room with my friends. So, we only had to pay $500 a month for rent. So, it was a $1,000 room that we like it was a teeny tiny room and me and my friend both lived in there. So, we like split rent. Um, and we would just eat like canned chicken and wrap it in a tortilla every day or like plain spaghetti. That's crazy to me because because I see this now as like, oh my, you're so talented as like a filmmaker. I wouldn't even call them YouTube videos. >> Well, that's why I always thought that. I was always like, dude, I'm making the best stuff on YouTube, but then my stuff will just get demonetized and taken down like within an hour like it'll go like super super viral and then like one or two hours in it just like >> gets flagged, restricted. quit because you've been making videos now for like 10 years. How do you not like 6 years in be like, "Dude, I'm like this can't be friend." >> I mean, I don't need money to be happy, you know? Like, I don't need anything to be happy except for like having friends and going on fun adventures and just like that's what I want, you know? Like, when I'm 90 years old, I'm not going to be like, "Oh, I'm happy because I made a lot of money." I'm going to be thinking I'm happy because I went on cool adventures with my friends, you know? So yeah, I could be a mechanical engineer like I went to college for sitting in a cubicle making a bunch of money, you know, and but then like I'm going to be 80 years old and I'm going to look back on my life and be like, "Wow, I threw my life away for money." I actually saw a really scary like Instagram video. I think it was this morning when I was waking up like on reals. It was like animation and this guy, he's he walks into like a store and he's like he's like, "I want to give you 10 years of my life for like $1,000." like it's like kind of a metaphor on like corporate America and I don't know it's just really scary to me that you can like give your time away for money and so because I don't get any happiness from money you know like things don't get make me happy like experiences and hanging out with friends that makes me happy you know so the more I want that even if I have less money is kind of my goal. >> Are you stressed out right now with the lawsuits? >> No it's fun I love it. Uh, so I've always said I think my favorite thing in life is getting into a hard situation and then trying to figure out your way out of it. You know, it's like solving a puzzle. That's what a puzzle is, you know? It's like I have something hard and I'm going to solve this, you know? And this is kind of the same thing. That's what Mckame Manor was. It's like put yourself in a really scary hard situation and try and get out of it. So, this is kind of the same thing. It's, oh, I'm in a really scary lawsuit. Let's pro if we if we're creative then we can come out on top, you know? And this is like exactly what I look for. This is uh this is so fun for me. Speaking of problems that you're not able to solve, I'm curious if you've ever considered looking into the federal or like local budgets of the government. >> Oo, I was thinking about it. Um I was actually talking about this I think yesterday. Um we were like, what if we looked into all the fraud the government does? because I think the Pentagon has like trillions of dollars that are just unaccounted for. It's like where's that money go, you know? And it seems like that could be like a big thing to investigate. But there's two things with that. The first one is like am I actually going to be able to like solve anything, you know, like you might need like really high clearance for that? Like all of my antics are just kind of like you saw in the Lego there's stupid things I'm just pulling out of my like I'm a good storyteller but like when it comes to like real like deep state corruption I don't know if I'm like the man for that. Maybe I am. I don't know. But uh and the other thing is then say I do happen to solve this like where this trillions of dollars of debt went or like this trillions of dollars of uncounted money went like are they going to like kill me if I like I'm about to release this secret you know I feel like he would kill someone for like a trillion dollars you know. >> Yeah. What do you think about Nick Shirley? >> I I haven't really watched many of his videos. I think he investigates some like really important problems to investigate. And I've I've heard some people don't really like his investigative style, I guess. Like he he's kind of similar to me, I guess, where we just kind of are stupid about it. Um, so I I don't I I got to watch more of his videos. I don't really have an opinion on him, but I I I have heard some of the things he's uncovered is like really insane. Like all the fraud and stuff he's uncovered is pretty crazy from what I've heard. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe you could start with something like like local government funds misappropriation or something instead of going straight for the Pentagon cuz I also think that realistically that's going to be impossible. Yeah, I think I think the government is really inefficient and they're really like wasteful. So I think we need people like us to hold them accountable. I think you know and like shine light on it or else because I think the thing with like they say with businesses right like you have like Apple and Microsoft competing to be the best, right? And so because there's that competition, they're both going to do the best they can to because if they don't if they're not trying their absolute hardest to make the best products, then their competition is going to make the best product and people are going to buy from them instead. So competition forces you to make a better product and to like do things ethically. And then with the government, there's no competition. So like, oh, I can just do all this fraud and stuff and no one's going to keep me accountable, you know, cuz I'm the government. They have to like keep paying their taxes. Like there's no competition with that. Who's going to get mad at the Pentagon for failing it all? Like they've never won an audit. >> Yeah. >> They've only ever failed, but it doesn't matter. No one's >> I think it's more relatable to show these stories like you're highlighting with Lego that it is a normal person dealing with a company with a lot of money and legal resources behind them. >> Uhhuh. I I'm down to do whatever. Like the 12 videos I'm working on, they're all kind of the same where it's like, oh, I'm just some dude solving these crazy crimes, you know? Uh but all the crimes are different, you know? They're all very very different things. Uh like ranging from like some of them are silly, some of them are very serious. Uh but all of them have a good story and all of them are like from the perspective of like a guy with just like no resources, which is how they're all connected. How many times have you been arrested? Now, really quick, I just want to say that when Jack and I first started the podcast, we had to figure out everything ourselves from the best cameras, the best editing equipment, how to get our guests. Every single day was a brand new challenge. That's why if you're starting or growing your own business, you know how valuable today's sponsor is, and that would be Shopify. For those unaware, Shopify is like having an all-in-one business partner. 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That's why with Shopify, nothing stands between your idea and a real business. So, go and make it one. Start your free trial at shopify.com/ic with the link down below in the description. Again, that's shopify.com/ic or click the link down below in the description. Shopify.com/ic. How many times have you been arrested? >> Twice. Um, and there were two days in a row for the Lego video. >> What was that like getting arrested? Uh, it was pretty fun. Um, I like new experiences. So, it was a new experience. Uh, because normally I feel like I'm on the other side where I'm like, "Oh, like I'm getting you in trouble, you know?" So, now I get to kind of like see what it's like for a criminal to go through it. >> How was it fun? Like, did you actually go in the cell and everything? >> Yeah, that sucked. Yeah, that was boring. Yeah, I was in there for It got boring after like the second or third hour where I'm just sitting there without a phone. I'm just like like what do I do? Like it's just like the middle of the day. I like tried to sleep, but I was like, I'm not tired. So, it was like just kind of boring. I was just like wasting time. Like, I could be filming. I have so many cool ideas I want to do and I'm just sitting here not able to do them. So, that was frustrating. But, like getting like my mug shot, that was pretty fun. Talking to the police officers, that was pretty fun. >> And when you're in a cell, are you in there by yourself or with other people? >> I was by myself. If I was with other people, it probably would have been fun, but yeah, just being by myself. It was kind of like in solitary confinement pretty much. It was just really boring. Did you worry about going to jail for a long time? Because there was that incident where they were trying to get out of the bail. Um, I actually didn't find out about that until after I got released. So, I wasn't really scared. And then afterwards, I found out I'm like, "Wait, they're trying to take away my bail. What the heck?" And so, I didn't know that when I was in there, so I wasn't really scared. I was kind of just like chilling. I was like, "I'll get out on I made a GoFundMe, you know, like I can get out on this. This will be easy." I didn't think they would just hold me for like a month. But then later after I get released, I'll look at the paperwork and I'm like, "Oh, they were trying to hold me until my court date. That's insane." We had a very like limited conversation. We took like a small 15 20 minute because Graham wanted to bid on some items on Heritage Auctions, more like Jack Skeleton, Skellington or whatever, like original art. I don't even know. But >> Skellington >> during that like we had like a very brief conversation about not caring about money because I asked you would you want some of this original art they used in the show or movie? And you said no. Material possessions mean nothing. I want to I want to dive deeper into that. >> I pretty much own nothing. I just have my computer and my hard drives. It's pretty much all I own. Um and maybe like some like cords and I guess like some GoPros and stuff. Uh actually just bought a drone cuz I think that could be a really cool shop. But that's pretty much all my like belongings that I own. Uh I don't really buy things. Um yeah, I basically just put all my money into videos and stuff. Um, I mean I I used to be different where I was like a mechanical engineer and in a cubicle and then I ended up breaking my neck and almost like clogged my artery and stuff and so there was like a weak period where the doctors like oh you could just like and like you could just like be dead soon you know um cuz they were like a they didn't know if it was like fully clogged it end up being fully clogged which is good but if it was partially clogged I would have got like a blood clot would go to my brain and have a stroke and so it was like kind of scary and I just kind of started thinking I was like wow like if I died right now I would have worked my entire life to like get money you know like to like go to do a job I don't like study like a subject that I'm not really super passionate about just so I can have a job I don't like so eventually I can get the reward of money at the end you know I was like if I just now like I just wasted my whole life for like nothing so I like instantly just like dropped out of college I was like I'm going to live a life where when I die I'm going to look back and be like my one chance at life, I lived it correctly, you know, where I'm just going to do things that actually bring me happiness, like friends and experiences rather than just like getting money for things. And so, but yeah, dropping out of college, I just had a bunch of college debt because I was in college for like three and a half years. I think it was like right before graduating when I dropped out. And um and so I just have all this debt and no money to my name. And yeah, I was just like I was like, "Oh, I'm just going to travel around." So I just started traveling for like two years and just going to like different parts of like the world and meeting people and it was really fun and I had like nothing. I was just traveling for like two years and then I finally landed in California and I just lived at the beach for like 6 months and just like >> what do you mean lived at the beach? >> So it was like a slackline park. Uh I was trying to become the best slacklin in the world. >> This is like Venice. >> Yeah. Santa Monica. Yeah. I know which I've seen the people slacklin. >> Oh yeah, they're good. >> Yeah. So I would just like live at the slack line. I just wake up, cycling all day, and go to sleep. Wake up, cycle all day. Where would you sleep? >> Just like a sleeping bag on the beach. If I didn't have money for like a house or anything, you know, I didn't have any money, so I was just living there. How did you afford like food? >> Um, so I I created my own brand of slack lines and so I just had to sell like one slack line a day and that would make me food. And so I would just like have like all the people there like knew I was like selling slack lines. It was like a really tourist area. So sometimes I would sell like two or three in a day and then that's like food for like two or three. >> How much would you sell the sockline for? >> Probably 100 bucks. But then I would have to pay for like the materials and stuff. So I probably make like $50 profit per line I sold. >> And you just live like this for 6 months. >> Yeah. >> And did you enjoy it? >> Yeah, it was fun. It was awesome. Uh I got to like meet really cool people. We went on like cool adventures and stuff and it was it was awesome. Uh yeah. >> And traveling the world. What was your favorite place you went to? Um, Mexico was pretty fun. We did some cool stuff. I lived in Mexico for like a month and there's just like no rules in Mexico. You can just do like whatever you want. Like we set up a slack over a nightclub at one point and we started doing like back flips over the people. I remember thinking I was like, "You don't need like a waiver or anything? Like is there insurance?" They're like, "No, you can just do it." Like the club owner's like, "Yeah, you can just do it." Okay. He's like, "I trust you." I'm like, "Dude, we would never be doing this in America. This is insane." It was so fun. >> So, what does that teach you then about life? And what do you think most people get wrong about like taking a traditional path? >> I don't know. I was definitely way happier uh doing that than as like a mechanical engineer, you know? So, um I don't know. I think a lot of people like myself included there's taught as a kid, you know, like this is your life purpose. Like you're going to get a job, make money, provide for your family and stuff. And I don't know, I think a lot of people end up like just wasting their lives because of that. Um, which sucks cuz like you only have one chance. You're like, why waste it, you know? Like we don't get to read it. Like you're you're probably going to be like 80 years old and be like, "Oh, I wish I could have done something different." But then it's too late, you know? Like you can't change it. And I think a lot of people, at least for me, like I always knew death was coming, but you kind of just like put it on the back burner. It's like, ah, it's a low priority for me, you know? I'm dealing with this other stuff. And then but then like once death becomes like your main priority like if you have like a near-death experience then you start to prioritize like living life more I think. >> How did you break your neck? >> Uh I think it was like a double front flip 360 and I over rotated and they call it like a scorpion. So I landed on my face and then the rest of my body just like went forward. So I like >> on what? On a slack line. >> Uh no I think it was on a trampoline going to like a the ground. I was going for like trampoline transition to the ground and it was really bad. Yeah. >> Have you trampolineed since then? >> Yeah. Uh, I still do it. Um, I just did a cycling competition while I was in Mexico. It was fun. >> Did you win? >> Um, no. I got 10th place or 11th place, but it was like I imagine that's good. >> It was like the top 20 people in the world showed up. So, holy cow. Uh, I'm still like top 20 in the world, I guess. What you say? >> No. I'm curious. When you broke your neck, what did it feel like? >> Um, actually, surprisingly, not much pain in my neck. I It hurt my shoulder a ton. It hurt. I felt all the way out of my fingers. Um, but I remember I didn't even go to the hospital for like over 24 hours. I actually went on a camping trip the next day. We went into the woods. I was like on like a six mile hike. Why? >> And uh because I thought I just pulled my shoulder. Um I was like, "Oh, I probably just like I didn't feel that much pain on it was all my shoulder that hurt. I guess it hits nerves and stuff, but and then finally I was in so much pain. I didn't take any pain medicine or anything. Um which was probably stupid. About 20 it was about the 24-hour mark. I started like throwing up because I was in so much pain and then like kind of passed out and I just like pushing myself, you know, and so this was like my full like moment and I started having kind of like a panic attack because like no matter what I did like I couldn't like rest my shoulder I was just so exhausted at this point you know where no matter what I did I just couldn't stop the pain. I just had a panic attack and yeah start like throwing up kind of almost like passed out. My friends like took me to the hospital and finally did an X-ray and they're like oh you have a broken neck and I was like ah it makes sense. How could you take take a hike and like go 24 hours with a broken neck? How is that even possible? >> Um, I don't know. It I mean it was good vibes, you like we were having fun. It was me and my friends. We were chilling. But then I remember what happened was like we were just having a good time. I think it's like the mental state I was in was just like good. And then cuz we were all having fun, you know, like this is like our vacation. Like we all we've been playing this for like months, I guess. It's like camping trip. Uh we were going to go down to like New River Gorge for like bridge day and watch all the base jumpers jump off and stuff the bridge and and then um I remember my friend's dog like ran away so all my friends went to go like find the dog. So, I'm just sitting there by myself and that's when like the positive vibes left me, you know, and then it's just me and my thoughts and then I started like it was like the first time ever having like an like a panic like I had like a real like panic attack where I was like I don't know if I can deal with this pain, you know, like I pain's like more like it was like so overwhelming and I have like my friends to like cuz we were like making jokes and stuff the whole day. It was all chill. But then once it was just me it was bad. What did it feel like to have a panic attack? I don't know. you know, like if if you ever taken like a bunch of acid or something, you have like a bad trip. It was kind of like that, I guess. Uh like if you just like a really bad like I I don't know. That's probably the best way I could describe it. Like the way people describe like bad like DMT experiences or something. It kind of feels like that where like you just your thoughts are in control of you. You're not in control of your thoughts, you know? And uh I don't know. It just like you're having too many thoughts like you're having thoughts faster than you can process them. And then you just And how did you physically experience a panic attack? >> I don't know. I just started like throwing up and I just felt like I was going to pass out. And then my friends came back and they're like, "Oh yeah, Ben's not good. We got to take him to the hospital." I don't know. I just remember like sitting there just like I remember like no matter what position I kept like trying to change position, every time I changed position, it would just get worse. And I remember like I cannot deal with this pain, but at the same time, I can't do anything about it. So I I don't know. And how long after this near-death experience did you decide to change the course of your life? >> Probably like the next week, I'd say. I don't know. Maybe like two weeks later. No, I went to work. I remember I was working at a cubicle at the time. So, I went to work for probably another like couple weeks and then I was like, I'm going to drop out. This sucks. What did your parents think when you were living at the beach? >> I don't know. They were pretty scared. I think they thought I was going to become like some like homeless crackhead person, but I I was like functional, you know? I was like training to be like the best cycling liner in the world at the time. And uh yeah, I was just like just training. Like it was just wake up, just train and then go to sleep. Wake up, train. >> Did they ever offer to like send you money for food? >> No, I I I maybe they would have, but I wanted to like be able to do it on my own, you know? I I didn't want help from people cuz I was like 20 something. I was like 20 years old. What's interesting is that like I sort of share that same sentiment of like I don't really find the value in like acquiring more money. I feel like I'm just supposed to get more money. You know what I mean? Like for me like if if you know me I mean most of the time I'm just wearing like trade options. Jack, >> why do you do that? >> I I like the I like growth. Like for me it's really fun. So, like an e like an easy thing to grow is uh is money by selling options. But like for the most part, like these shorts I bought at Ross for like $11 and I've been wearing them for four years. I don't really care about material things and I just feel like I'm supposed to want to acquire more money and so I just kind of do it for the sake of that. But I also know that it is actually like there's a part of it that's very irresponsible because while I may not need or want very much money, I know that in the future I will have a family that does. And I'm curious like do you have a girlfriend? >> Yeah. No, I think about the same thing too. Like eventually I do want money so I can like give my kids a good life, you know? Like it would suck if my kids don't have anything and that would definitely suck. And also the other thing I want money for is uh to hire like editors because right now it's like I film for this much and edit for this much you know. Mhm. >> So if I can like like edit less, I guess if I can like delegate that to other people, then I can film more things, you know, and then I can and then therefore like live a better life, I guess, because now I'm going on more adventures and doing more things to help people and I can take on more of these cases where people are like, "Oh, I'm in need of Reckless Ben to help me, you know, I can help more people." How old are you? >> Uh, I just turned 30. >> Really? >> Yeah. I look super young, but now I'm I'm old. >> Interesting. Because I would have assumed that like if yeah if you were 30 like I've felt this pressure for like a long time. It's like I like I said I don't need money but I know that like I I don't even have a girlfriend but once I get a girlfriend she's probably going to want to be taken out on dates and then once we become married and have kids like I have to pay for the wedding I have to pay for my kids. >> Maybe she's the one who makes the money. Jack >> uh she does well she a woman that makes a lot of money and you're really attractive and you're funny and lighthearted. you know where to find me in the description is my Instagram. So >> yeah, but also if you look at like rich couples and like poor couples, I wonder if there's like if rich couples have a better relationship than poor couples. I don't know. >> Well, one of the biggest uh reasons for divorce is financial infidelity. So it's like like Yeah. So I I think that it depends. It's probably a bell curve. You know what I mean? Like if you're super super super wealthy, like all of those wealthy people, Elon Mus, Jeff Bezos, all those people have gotten divorced. But then again, like if you have no money, then that's just another thing to argue about. And so I'm sure that >> a healthy medium. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've heard Yeah. Like once you're like super poor, it's like a big stress in your life. Cuz it was stressful like like I guess living at the beach wasn't that stressful cuz it was like I just wake up, train, just have fun all day and go to sleep. There's not much stress in that, I guess. But uh with like when I first started like living in a house, it was like how am I going to pay rent this month? Am I gonna have to do something I don't want to do in order to pay like am I have to give away my time in order to pay this rent? And that s that's like the worst feeling ever is like having to give up your time in order to like be able to just have basic needs, you know? So that definitely sucked. And and so I guess you're like once you start making more money, you don't have to worry about stuff like that. Uh but then once you have like a bunch of money, then I feel like it gets kind of crazy again, you know, where now people just want you for your money. They don't want to actually have a good relationship with you because of you. there's like maybe there's other intentions there and stuff and so I feel like there's that like medium point that's like the perfect amount of money to have you know >> I would agree but also I'll contend with that a little bit like I think if it's a girl that wants you just because of your money like what what amount of money would you say that is >> oh shoot I don't know um yeah I definitely would hate to be with someone if they're like oh Ben's rich so I want to be with him >> but I think it's a lot of money because the type of girl that would want you for your money would not go after a dude who has $5 million like she would go after a dude who has like 50 million and there's always going to be someone 30 million like 100 million. Like those are the people that they would realistically go after, not some guy who has 5 million if you're the person that prioritizes that as like number one. >> But it's also how loose you are with your money. It's not the dude with 5 million. It's the dude with 5 million who spends 5 million. >> Sure, but he's living like he has 50. Like the idea is like if you if you're living like you should if you have five like that you're probably not going to get a bunch of women that are chasing after you for your money. But it is probably a good thing and I could be wrong here. Challenge me if you think I am that a girl does want the guy or at least just like the unit in and of themselves to be able to be financially comfortable. Like that is I would say a good I don't know. I think more women would be attracted to the dude who's just like sleeping on a sleeping bag on the beach living his life having a good time. >> I think yeah at a younger age but I think once you want to have kids like I think they want the security cuz the the woman too wants the best thing for her family you know and the guy just sleeping on the beach isn't going to be able to provide for his family. >> Yeah. That guy is carefree. He's exciting. He doesn't have any sort of like expectations. That is an adventure. And I I think a lot of women would rather the adventure >> than the the cubicle guy. >> I think they cheat on the cubicle guy with the guy who's going >> But they're not going to get married to the guy who can't like, you know, financially support their kids. >> But do you want to be the dude that the girl's just going to like settle with to marry? Like is that which life would you rather live? We us three I think need to figure out what goes on in space. We we know what women want. Three men going on. >> Yeah. >> Well, my my mentality is I I want to be happy with no money. >> And if that's the case, but then once I get money, that's like the sprinkles on top. You know what I mean? So, it's like I don't want to not have money, you know? Like now that money's coming in because of this Lego thing, it's like awesome, you know? I'm like super happy, but it's like I don't need that. You know what I mean? It's just like the the extra on top like I'm already happy without the money and now I don't need the money to be happy cuz I think what happens a lot of times is people are like oh once I get rich then I can be happy and then they get rich and they're not happy you know but I'm already happy. Now that I'm like starting to like see money come in, it's like, well, now I can be happy with that, too. You know, I agree with you fully on that. In high school, I was very, very, very happy like running cross country. I had like my core group of friends. I loved life. And then like I started working really hard and I started making good money at like the age of 21. I'm 27 now. So, I had like six years of like aggressively saving. Like I really never spent more than 10 5 to 10% on like personal things. Obviously, I had like other expense like mortgage and whatnot, but like on personal things, I hardly spent any money. The problem is that once you like I I save so aggressively to develop a nest egg, but once you have a nest egg, then you have something to lose. And so, like, yes, it may be fun like in the beginning, but after you like grind and, you know, scrimp and save after a certain amount of time, I've noticed that like maybe the relationship with money can actually get a little bit less healthy because you're worried about losing it. Uh yeah, it's interesting. I I haven't ever gotten to that point yet really, but um >> I think now it really makes a lot of sense why you're not bothered by a lot of the things that have happened to you, like getting arrested, these lawsuits. >> If you got sued, you have nothing to lose. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's like going from where you were and you were happy living on the beach, going dayto day essentially. It's like now you getting hit with a lawsuit, it's like >> who cares? >> Who cares? It's it's nothing. Like your worst case scenario is you go back to doing what made you happy to begin with. >> Yeah. No, I think the same thing. Yeah. For sure. People that like it takes at least somewhat of a while to earn money. Like not just like one year or two years, but if it takes you like 5 years to like have somewhat of like a nest egg, they're very scared of losing it. But that's that's because they did something they don't like to get that money, I think. So for me, like doing this whole Lego thing was super fun for me. Like I had a blast in the editing room when I'm like editing this. I'm like coming up with ideas. I'm like, "This is so cool. I get to tell this story and I'm having so much fun." So, it's like even if this Lego video flops and gets demonetized, I'm still happy because I had fun doing like it was the adventure that made me happy, not the destination, you know? Yeah. But the thing is, you never know what you're going to end up enjoying in the future. And what if the thing that you enjoy in the future actually doesn't make any money? And that's like like while I do love what I've done and I love what I'm doing right now, I do worry like randomly on a random Tuesday evening probably four years ago, I realized I love pickle ball. What if I wanted to go be a pickle ball pro? Like realistically, I'm not going to make any money until I become really good. And so like I want to open up my optionality. Like in the future, I want to be able to do whatever I want to do. >> Well, do both. Do uh podcasting and be pickle ball pro. >> True. But then I also love chilling. >> Well, then chill. Also, [laughter] >> Jeff likes doing a lot of things. >> Yeah. I get excited. >> 5% of them make no money. They have negative money. >> Yeah. Yeah. Dang. We'll just do everything. That's been my life philosophy. If if it's fun, go do it. How much do you sleep? I try to get eight hours of sleep a night. I this month hasn't been good on me, but before this month I try to get eight hours a night because I I think uh even though you're sleeping like for more than like say someone who sleeps like four hours a night, the person who sleeps four hours a night isn't going to be as productive during the day cuz they're tired, you know? So like I think you're more productive to sleep more because then you get more done during the day. >> That's what I always thought about Elon Musk. Elon Musk claims he's like, "Yeah, I sleep like three to four hours a night like when I'm really >> But he's also like a weird one of a kind." Yeah. I don't know if that applies to like people like me, you know? Like I need my sleep or else I'm not productive. >> I agree. Like everyone makes let's say just say like 3,000 decisions a day, but I feel like it's really like down to 15 decisions that actually make a material impact on your life. And you want to make sure that you're in a really good spot like mentally to make those 15 important decisions. >> Yeah. I think he has like Asberers or something. So I think his brain works. He says his brain's always on. Like I think he probably has he realizes that his brain's different than other people. So maybe Elon Musk can get away with it, but your average person's going to need their sleep. >> I think they need more. >> I think we just solve the Asberers, too. Actually, no, we didn't solve that, but we did solve lack of productivity. You just need more sleep. How much money have you raised so far for your legal defense? >> Um, well, the GoFundMe is at half a million dollars. So, what we the plan is is obviously Brian's first priority. Let's refund him. Get him his legal fees because why are they gonna sue Brian? Like why are they gonna steal from him and then sue him? That makes no sense. So, let's get him legally protected. Then I'm probably the second priority. Uh cuz if I get sued, I can't make any more videos on them. And I know the public definitely wants to see more videos coming out. So, me and my friends were probably the second priority. And then after that, I still think there's a lot of money left after that. So, we're giving it to all the franchise owner because we've seen a pattern of Brandon and Josh, the same people that took over Crystal's store. They do the same thing where they like don't let them pay money or something and then they're like, "Oh, you broke your franchise agreement, you know, like or they'll do something that they got approval for and then they steal the store from them and they steal their life." So, say I'm just some like small business owner like, "I want to start my own bricks and mini figs. I'm going to invest my life savings." Like a lot of times it's like $400, $500,000, like half a million dollars. I pour this into this business and then corporate just steals my whole store from me and I get nothing in return. Like that sucks, you know? Uh >> why would someone open a franchise of Bricks and Minifigs? Why not just open up your own store and just >> cuz before this Bricks and Minigs was a very before my video on them, they were a very very respected company. So, say I open up Bricks and Minifigs. Yes, I have to give them six% to use their brand name, but I might get 15 to 20% more uh customers because Bricks and Minigs is a wellrespected name in the community. And so, if I open up Bricks and Minigs, more customers are going to come in, you know, because it's a trusted name. It's like the reason people buy like Cheerios rather than the off-brand just because it's a even though it's basically the same product, you're get it's literally the same like ingredients and everything, but I want to buy Cheerios because it's the main brand. I I'm familiar with that brand. You know, >> now since a lot of these stores though are independently owned, how do you feel for the people who are not involved in this at all who have just operated honestly? Hey, by the way, really quick, if you want extra content just like this, as well as early access and a bonus post show posted every single week, including an extra conversation with Ben that's almost an extra hour long. Feel free to join as a channel member to get immediate access to all of that as well as early access to everything else that we post along with priority responses to all of your comments. So, if that sounds cool, feel free to join. Would love to have you on board. Thanks so much. We'll get back to the podcast now. How do you feel for the people who are not involved in this at all, who have just operated honestly because they did nothing wrong and corporate making the decisions they've made is what's screwing them over. And so that's why Yeah. with the rest of the GoFundMe money. We're trying to get them all lawyers so they can sue Bricks and Minigs for basically like, "Hey, you guys like we paid you money to have a good brand name and you're destroying the brand name. So, can we like sue them so we can like change our name?" >> Let's just say Bricks and Minifigs doesn't have any money to pay out and all these franchise owners get together, >> then >> they're going to be throwing basically just burning money into a black hole because there's nothing to collect. >> Yeah. What I think they want right now is not necessarily money cuz they've experienced what like two weeks of like like no sales which at the end of the day isn't like that it's bad but it's not like like closing down their store bad you know so it might be depending on how some of these franchises are operating because their expenses of employees and rent and utilities and there there's a lot that goes on my guess behind the scenes where >> if they don't get business for probably one to three months I'd bet a chunk of them Well, we're working right now to get them all lawyers so they can change their name from a bricks and mini figs to like their own like small business, you know, like their own Lego business like you were saying, you know, and that way they can disassociate from the brand and uh they don't have a bad name anymore. And I I the whole time I've always been saying too like these are independent franchises. Like they have nothing to do with what corporate says. is like, "Yeah, they're paying corporate money, but they got into this contract before when they thought that Bricks and Minfigs was a reputable brand that doesn't steal from old people, you know? Uh like they didn't sign this contract with saying like, "Oh, for the next 10 years, I'm going to give you like 6% of my royalties." If they thought that they stole from old people, you know, so all that information came out after they signed the contract. Now they're locked in these contracts and they have no choice. They can't talk bad about it or else they get their sources and their life savings gets taken and now they can't provide for their family. And so it makes total sense like why these franchises uh did this. And I so I've always been saying yeah like don't go out and harass the franchises and everything. And like it makes total sense like they're not supporting this theft that happened. They're just trying to have their own local store, you know, like going and harassing this innocent store. There's nothing to help the problem. >> So who's the main bad actor in all of this? I think there's the McNe family is the CEO who oh I guess Brandon and Josh technically are the ones that got hired by Bricks and Minifigs. So they're all working together. It's it's the McNe family and Brandon and Josh and they like to say they're separate that they have no relation to each other but we found out someone dug in and the newspapers from like the 1990s or something and Josh and the CEO actually went on a Mormon mission trip together. And when you're on a Mormon mission trip, like you have you're not allowed to separate rooms for like three months or something or like or two years. I don't know how long Mormon mission trips are, but from what I've heard, you can't even shower because they're afraid you're like doing sinful things in the shower. You have to shower with the door open. So there's no privacy when you're on your Mormon. So these guys are closer than any two human beings can be pretty much. And it's funny now they're saying like, "Oh, we're completely separate. Like we we're not working to, you know, so it is kind of just like one entity of these people. like they're just this. So, it's Brandon, Josh, and the McNFs. Uh, the McNees are the CEOs kind of that kind of hired Brandon and Josh to take over these stores illegally. And yeah, so I guess that's who it is. And then the police department as well. >> Yeah. I mean, there were some cool police officers. Um, but then they lied. I mean, they changed the story. Like, they have no goal of making things right. It's just protecting them. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to tell who the good police officers and bad police officers are. Like there were definitely some good police officers who would like in the body cam you can see they're like pushing back. They're like, "Wait, we can't do that. That's illegal." You know, and and they're like fighting back for like us, you know, uh like behind the scenes, which you can see in the unredacted footage. But um most of the police officers I feel like kind of sucked. Yeah. >> Speaking of that, why did so much footage get redacted and then how was some of it leaked? >> I I don't know. Um, I'm still trying to figure this out, but so I was like pissed off when they just redacted everything. And then it turns out that some of it was just them turning off their body cameras during the most important part. So even with the unredactions, they're still un like the most important parts like right before I get like they find out the court case is real, they turn off their body cam for like 10 minutes and then they arrest me. So it's like what happened during 10 minutes? >> Legal to turn off your body cam. >> I don't know. Maybe. Uh, >> it it seems like it defeats the entire purpose if you could just turn it off. >> In Oregon, they don't even use body cams, so it's every state's different. Yeah, we could look that up. I don't know. Um, but yeah, during all the key moments, they turn off the body cams. Same with the the heroin incident, like during all the key moments, they turn off the body. So, even in the unredacted stuff, it's like we still can't find out. But, uh, so all the stuff that got redacted, I I kept arguing. I was calling with them for like two months probably like every day like hey like can we get this unredacted and they're like oh no it's protecting the victim. I'm like but he's making claims about me like don't if I'm being charged with these crimes. Don't I have a right to know what I'm being charged for? And they're like yeah but if we tell you then we'll I actually show up to court and I'm like I don't even know I'm in court right now. Like you guys redacted all of the claims against me. Like can you guys please tell me why I'm here? And then the prosecutor says, "Well, I'm I'm hesitant to to give him the footage because if we show him what he's being accused of, then he's going to use it for likes and clicks on his YouTube channel at the expense of our victim and and it's going to hurt our victim if we tell him what he's being accused of." I'm like, "Well, then what am I doing here in court?" You know, and like, "Okay, we'll schedule another court hearing." >> Why represent yourself, though? Why not get a lawyer on your behalf to maybe argue some of these claims that are against >> I don't know. Cuz I think the whole point of the video was to show like it's like standing up to the bully with no resources. You know, can the little guy stand up to the big guy, but if I get a lawyer, now it's the big guy standing up to the big guy and there's no incentive for the little guy to. And so I I wanted to really show like if we're creative, we could the little guy can stand up to the big guy, you know? Like that's the whole like theme of the video. And I think getting a lawyer involved would have defeated that purpose because then people would write it off. be like, "Oh, he only won cuz he has a lawyer, you know, not cuz he's right or not cuz he was creative or not cuz he stood up for himself. He only won because someone he had to hire someone to stand up for him, you know, and so I think it just completely defeated the message." >> Is there anything that they could offer you to just say, "All right, you know what? I'll shake hands, put this rest, and I move on." >> Yeah, I would love to move on. Um, I thought I was going to move on a long time ago. I didn't think they would. I thought they were going to do the right thing a long time ago. First, they have to look at like give us the inventory because they still haven't given us the inventory yet. That way, we can see where the sets are, you know. Still haven't done that. Second thing, uh probably like end the lawsuit against us because like like that's just silence and criticism, you know, so like stop that. That sucks. Uh well, I guess basically if they said they were sorry, they would end the lawsuit because by them doing the lawsuit, they're saying like we want to silence you. Uh, the next thing would be, um, I think I want them to do the chicken dance. I think that would have them show their sorry. I think that's something we said in >> Who does the chicken dance? >> Uh, I think all the bad people at Bricks and Mini Figs that caused Brian harm and the American Fork Police. I think if they did the chicken dance, that would show that they're sorry. And what is it? What is the chicken dance? >> I don't know. Uh, but I think you probably look up on YouTube. Probably. You go like this or something. You go like this. >> Flap your wings. Yeah, cuz we we had it in the contract they signed. So, they signed, they have to do it already, but um uh yeah, I think that would be like a good way to show them that uh they're wrong and that they're sorry. I think that would that would be proof that they're sorry for me. Yeah. >> Would you like them to be sent to jail? >> No, I don't think anyone deserves to go to jail except for like maybe like and like rapists and stuff. Well, it depends. Uh I I I think I think jail I don't like jail as like a punishment thing of like oh you did this bad thing so now as punishment you're going to go to jail. I think that sucks. I think if anything that just makes the problem worse cuz don't people that go to jail come out even like worse people you know. So I think jail though is effective at holding someone back from doing something bad. Say there's a kill people right? By sending him to jail you're gonna save people's lives you know because now he's not out of the streets like people. So, if Bricks and Minifigs looks like they're going to keep doing this to people and like keep stealing people's like life savings, how there's a pattern of them doing this to multiple franchises, uh, if they're going to keep this pattern of behavior without any sign of improvement, then jail might be a good way to keep them away from the public to keep screwing people over. You know what I mean? But at like if they've learned their lesson, they're like, "Hey, we actually want to become a good productive member of society now. We want to stop scamming people and we want to start helping people." Well, then I think there's no reason for them to be in jail, you know, because like I don't care about like revenge, you know? Um I just I don't know. I think jail is a revenge thing. It's stupid. But as a way to like keep them safe from harming other people, I think it can be effective, I guess. >> Can you find any sympathy within your heart for the Bricks and Minigs executives? >> Right now, no. I've tried so many times. I I I guess if they're willing to talk to me, I I'd still be down to talk with them. I think it'd be so funny. I I me and my friends always joke about this. How funny would it be if we both just get set up to like lie detectors, you know, and just have a like hourlong conversation like no cuts or edits, you know? We just sit down like me and Ammon both with lie detectors and we just have a conver and just talk out the whole thing, you know. I think that would solve all our problems because then we know who if we're lying or not, you know, and cuz every time I've tried to talk to him, he just lies and he's like, "Oh, we already sent the inventory list. Uh, we already reimbured Brian. We already did all this stuff." And it's like, and so the conversation goes nowhere. But if we both had lie detector like tests on and we could talk to each other and it'd be a productive conversation maybe. I don't know. But I think I I if he's down to willing to have a conversation with me, I'm still down to give him like a 30 second chance. You know, I think everyone deserves like a 30-cond chance. And um yeah, but so far every time I try and talk to him and like, hey, let's solve this, it's just I'm calling the cops on you, you know, and like if you want this back, you got to sue me, but it's not going to be worth it for you because then you're going to lose even more money, you know? And that's what every conversation with me and him has been like. So, uh, yeah. I mean, so at this point, it's kind of like, oh, I've given you every chance. Like, at this point, you've screwed yourself, you know, but I'm always willing to help him get out of, uh, his situation. How do you predict this will all end? >> Shoot. I think he's going to destroy his whole company. And I think I think he's not going to admit he's wrong. I think even like we'll keep saying like, "Hey, we'll work with you, you know, and we'll try to make things right." He's not going to accept it. He's going to destroy his whole company. I think the franchises will all be forced to rebrand to something else and hopefully survive this, I guess, is the goal. Cuz now it's kind of getting to the point where it's like, okay, like we've already destroyed corporate, like how do we save the franchises now? I think the only way to save the franchises is to have them rebrand to their own thing. But >> what are the biggest lies being told about the story right now? >> I think the first one is that they tried So Bricks and Minifig's main narrative right now is we tried to give Brian his Legos back. Brian just didn't want him back. Like we tried to give him the inventory list and show all this, but he didn't want it. And in my third video, you can I have that footage of them saying that. I think he said it on every single podcast he's been on, every single news station he's been. He said it every public appearance he's been on so far, which is like probably at least like six or seven at this point. That's the main narrative they're saying. And then in my video, it just cuts straight to their like email thread. And Brian's like, "Can I please have my stuff back?" And they're like, like, like, "We have no obligation to ever give you your Legos back. This matter's closed." And he's like, "Well, like, can I please have him back?" Like, "Nope, we're not giving them back to you. Like, you are not getting the Legos." And then they go on Fox News and they're like, "We tried to give him his stuff back, but Brian was the one that didn't want it." It's like, well, like obviously like I don't know. It's just there's evidence and then there's what Bricks and Minig is saying. The two things just don't match. >> Is anyone believing Bricks and Minigs? >> No, because they have no EV. If they would provide evidence, then maybe people would believe them, but they can't because it's everything. >> So, even on like the news stations and stuff, are they is there any push back or are they just like going with it? >> The news stations are kind of just going with it. Uh they're kind of just like, "Uh-huh. Okay." Like, if you say so. Okay. Because I think the news stations don't really know the story that well and they don't really, you know, they're kind of just trying to like hear his side, which is good for news stations to do, you know, because if they pushed back then and bricks and minifigs would be like, "Oh, they're pushing back. Okay, this is a hit piece on us. Let's not do anymore." So, it's good what they're doing, you know, because they're getting them to talk. So, I'm I'm all for it. Like, they're not pushing back. >> How do you balance your videos with like escalating things? Because it seems like sometimes you'll do something and it just escalates the situation, sort of, you know, settles it, calms it down. I don't know. I always start with the calm thing and then I feel like you're right. I'm very strategic when it comes to I think things. So like first I went in very politely ask like hey one of my friends has Legos in your store. It's like a big Star Wars collection. She's like get out right now. So I always let them like ask. It's like >> is that your first interaction with her? >> Yeah. And then within literally 15 seconds she's like get out. I'm being harassed. You know I'm like well I'm not like harassing you. I just politely asked, but it's like a game of chess, you know, like I'll take like a defense, I'll let them make like a stupid move and then I'll make a stupider, you know, and I I try to like match their energy. So, uh, so I I'll come in like calm and then if they like I'll start in calm, if they bring up to here, then I'll match them here, you know, and if they bring up to here, I'll match them here. So, I feel like I don't ever escalate something more than their like I I just try and like bring my side to match their side, you know, cuz otherwise they'll win, you know? So, what do you think is the most realistic outcome? >> I think like I said, I I really think Bricks and Minifigs is not going to apologize. I think the police department might apologize. I feel like they have more to lose, you know? I I think I think the police department might actually kind of like make things right because it see like I feel like I don't know. Um I feel like the police might make things right, but I think the bricks and minifigs I think they're so stubborn that they'll never admit they're wrong and they'll just destroy their company and all the franchises will have to figure out a way to save them somehow. Uh, I'm also curious because of the virality of this entire story. Do you think in the future when this is kind of wrapped up, do you think that companies out there are just going to shut down as soon as they see you approaching? >> Well, they shouldn't because like I feel like uh it's like I don't know. Um like is that going to make it harder for you because now a lot of people have seen your face and as soon as you >> It's not gonna make it harder. No, it's going to be easier cuz now I have like more resources, more people behind me. If anything, it just makes it easier. But uh cuz I can always just like send someone in on my behalf, you know what I mean? Like it doesn't have to be me going in. I can just send someone else in that they don't recognize. So that's not a problem at all. But um yeah, if they see me come in, just shut down. I don't know. That would be good, I guess. You know, because ultimately the goal I always say like like every single video shoot I've ever done, I always tell everyone involved like our first priority is to have fun and make sure like we accomplish our goal. The second priority is to uh to get the footage, you know, and like to tell a cool story. But that's never the first priority. It's like what we said in Slacklin. Like in Slacklining, I would always say first priority is have fun. Second priority is look good doing it. And then third priority is be safe, you know? So that's like my checklist. So the first one is have fun like and part of having fun is like accomplish our goal, you know, so like get the Legos back in this example. That's our first priority. Second priority is okay, like let's film this and like tell a cool story, you know, and make it good for the audience. And I guess the third priority then is be safe and don't get in trouble. But that's I tell every single person we film with those three rules. Like that's our priority checklist. >> What's your advice for other people who want to follow in your footsteps? >> Oh, that's a great question. I think my main piece of advice is I'm not really like naturally talented at anything, but I just try really hard and I don't take no for an answer. So, I think that's probably the best advice is you I think a lot of people don't do things because they're like, "Oh, well, I'm not as talented as him or I'm not as good at like talking or I'm not as creative as him." But it's like I don't think I'm like naturally creative or anything, you know? It's just I just try really really really hard and I don't stop until I accomplish my goal. So, if that's your mentality, you're going to be successful, you know. Um, and like all my friends that are successful and not successful, the only I've never seen someone try really hard at something and not give up and not be successful. The only time people are not successful is when they end up giving up. So, as long as you just want it bad enough, then you'll achieve whatever you want in life, you know? Like, I sucked at balance. Like I remember my first time on a slacklin, I was with 10 of my friends and I was the worst one in my friend group and like out of every single person I was naturally the least gifted person at slacklining and then but I just tried harder than all my friends and I actually ended up becoming like the best in America at slacklining and now people see me and they're like oh I wish I was born with as good of balance as you. It's like if only they knew that was like had the worst balance you know when I first started. So people will just write they'll see someone who's talented and skillful and just write that off as oh they were born that way you know and when really it's like no literally I was born not that way. I just tried harder than everyone else and that's the only difference that separates me from other people is I just try harder. >> What's the most reckless thing you've done? >> Oh shoot. Uh we might have to censor this but uh that was exciting but it has to be censored. We can't say that yet. allow to talk about that, but that was fun. >> What's the most reckless thing you've done that you could talk about? >> I guess one that's on my Patreon right now. I had a 10day standoff with the police. We were trying to turn this skyscraper into like the world's biggest like dick, I guess, like for an art piece. And we tried to turn a whole skyscraper into like a giant art pie. We had a 10day standoff with like a 100 police officers. There was like two or three police helicopters at all times. Uh, we had like hire people from Craigslist like throw us in food and stuff. Uh, that was pretty crazy. It's funny because I did that right before the Lego video and I didn't get arrested on that. And then we did the other thing that I just told you about which >> involves like the Secret Service and stuff. Didn't get arrested. And then I do a video on Legos and I get arrested twice. So it's like maybe serving papers to Josh. That's the most reckless thing I've ever done. That's the only time I've ever been arrested. So yeah, I shouldn't have. It was dangerous for me to serve him those court papers or maybe making the GoFundMe. That was pretty reckless making that. It's the only time I've ever been in trouble. >> You infiltrated Scientology. >> Oh, that was pretty. What is like the the conclusion about the overall thoughts of Scientology, their practices, like give us the the general idea. >> So, Scientology is interesting. I was living at my car at the time. So, I was off the beach into a car at this point and uh I was one of my friends lived right across Scientology. So, I'd hang out with him at his house sometimes, like take a shower and stuff, and it's literally his house, Scientology, like right across the street. And I'm like, what goes on inside there, you know? So, I'm googling it. And like, basically, all I could find is that people pay like millions of dollars to believe in a alien that a science fiction writer wrote about. And everyone's like, why do they believe in this? Like, it's obviously science fiction, you know, like like fiction means not real, but they think it is real. Like, how does this make any sense? So, The more I looked into it, just the more questions there were with no answers. I'm like, why has no one just gone in with like secret cameras and just filmed inside, you know? It was pissing me off that no one's thought to do this because I wanted to find I'm like, I want to see the footage of what goes on inside, you know? I the harder I look, I couldn't find it. So, I was like, you know what? I'm I've never done a documentary. I was just a slackliner just living on the beach at this point, you know? So, I was like, you know what? I'm going to be the person to go in. Like, I don't documentaries, but I'm going to Sorry about that banging. I was like, I'm I'm going to go in and be the first person to find out what actually goes on inside Scientology. I'm going to answer this question for all of us. And I did it. I posted online. It I think it went kind of viral, I guess. And and I was just like this like surfer extreme sports dude just like taking down this like huge religion, I guess. And uh people liked it, I guess. I was like, I guess I'll just keep doing it. It's pretty cool, you know? I like like solving mysteries and stuff that have never been solved. It's kind of like a fun thing for me. So, I was like, maybe this will just be my genre, you know? just cuz I was kind of getting to a point where every month I was going to the hospital for cycling like I was just breaking a bone like every single month. So I was like maybe this will be a good like change of careers for me, you know? Uh I can like not have to like go to the hospital all the time. I'm curious if you could distill Scientology down to like one general conclusion or idea. What would it be? >> Um I think they've hijacked how the brain works. Uh so our brains aren't really always the most logical. like we only remember things the way we last remember them. Like our brains are like very flawed. And I think they take advantage of that and put like false memories in people's brains and stuff. And so that's how they can get people to believe in things that aren't true. >> How do you put false memories into someone's brain? >> So for me, what they did is they had me start with like a story that was true and then they would have me keep repeating the story with I had no breaks, no food breaks, no bathroom breaks for 10 hours. And I'd repeat this like three minute story over and over over for 10 hours and they would change the story like this much each time. So I'm they're like say it again but like say it more like exaggerate this, you know. And so if you if your brain repeats a lie enough, it's going to think it's true because that's you just literally are rewiring your brain. Your brain's like a muscle. So you can rewire it, you know. And so you will literally believe that a lie is true in your brain if you say it enough times. >> And what if it's a positive lie? What if it's an improvement? Like they could make you think you're like the most successful person in the world. You are talented at everything that you do and you walk out of it thinking, "Oh man, I got this amazing confidence." And then it spirals into >> That's how they start. Yep. So they start with uh that's what they did to me. They the story I told them was about my broken neck. So it was like probably one of the most like scary moments of my life cuz I was and then they turned it into a positive thing for me. And that's how they get you hooked. They're like, "Oh my gosh, like I turn this negative memory into a positive memory. Like Scientology is the best, you know?" And so that's what gets people hooked. But then they start to say, "Okay, like now our mission is to like defend the world from this Zenu alien, you know, and they start saying stuff like that." Like basically if if any of your friends or family don't believe in this Zenu alien that we have to defend from, then they're they're on Zenu's side and we have to like you have to block them from your life. You can't talk to them. They're evil now, you know. And also you have to give us all your money. Like you saw what happened to the Braille skateboarding guy. Uh >> Mhm. >> Oh no. Oh, did you see it? Oh, he was uh this huge YouTube channel who basically Scientology took over his life. He had like fire all employ all his employees. He had a warehouse just like this with like huge a giant skate park. It was helping the community out. He had to sell it, give it all to Scientology to to fight Zenu. Uh it just destroyed his whole life basically. So, it starts out positive like that. You're right. And but it's like it's like doing heroin, you know, like maybe doing heroin gives you a good feeling, you know, when you first start. You're like, "Oh, this is great. I should just always do heroin." You know, but then you can see it ruins your life. You know, if you like no heroin act is going to be happy they did hair. Even though the very initial stages of heroin might be positive, but then it just destroys your whole life. I totally forgot. We have like a standard content release. >> Oh, yeah. With uh this. >> Yeah. >> Oh, nice. >> Nice. >> Oh, no. I'm signing without reading it. you guys. Oh, Jack, you just say I owe you $5,000 for every police officer called >> Oh, >> it's probably the last thing here. >> You should You should trick someone sometime and and make them sign something like really weird. >> That would be a good idea. That would be funny. Yeah. >> So, the latest update, I just want to get your reaction on this and I'm going to read it to you. This is the bricks and mini figs requested I share this latest statement. Internet >> Wait, really? >> So, Internet Anarchist did a video. >> Oh, I haven't seen it yet. So you'll get your real reaction to this. >> This is their official statement. >> We have worked diligently to resolve the Manel collection issue. This is an isolated and unfortunate incident related to a single location and does not reflect the integrity of more than 300 other franchises. >> I agree with that. Yeah. >> Okay. Much of the reporting on the issue includes inaccurate information, most notably the collection's value, which is far less than the reported $200,000. Yeah, it could have been like I think they said the thing that was on the set was about 107,000, 120 at the most, plus maybe some more uh sets that weren't included on that list that Crystal didn't put on that inventory. So maybe it was around 150,000, but uh yeah, I guess that excuses. They only stole 100 something thousand, not 200,000. They're good. Yeah. They're Yeah, we can let them off for that. >> At no point did we make any legal attempt to seize the Manelf family GoFundMe account, nor did we >> I was on the phone with GoFundMe. The GoFundMe told me they did. >> Nor did we ever approve consignments as an authorized sales process. >> Again, that's between Bricks and Mini Figs and Crystal. That's not Brian. like that doesn't excuse for them to sell steal Brian's stuff. >> Following a thorough legal investigation of this matter, we have determined this location operated in contrast to corporates procedures and expectations for franchises. As a result, we have implemented three immediate changes across all of our locations, including more rigorous recordkeeping and inventory management. >> That'll be good. transparency in the buy, sell, and trade process and comprehensive staff training on professional conduct and corporate protocols. My experience with Bricks and Minifigs is they say they're going to do something and they don't do it. That's what the history shows. So, I would be surprised if they are going to, but maybe maybe now with all the public pressure they will. Uh I that it sounds like they're trying to do a good thing according to that. Uh, but also I mean they said I could have the Legos back if I just walk in and I walk in and they call the cops on me. They said they would give me the inventory list if I email them. I email them. They say if you email us one more time, we're going to call the cops on you. So they always say they're going to do things and they So maybe I'll get proven wrong. Uh, but I think the world is skeptical right now. You know, uh, >> we got this last sentence. >> We remain committed to resolving this issue in a way that all parties can endorse. Yeah, I think I think the world wants to see them follow through with what they're saying. I think they're saying the right things, you know, except for the GoFundMe. They did try to take the GoFundMe. >> How do you know they tried to take the GoFundMe? >> Cuz I called GoFundMe. They said, "Hey, we received this letter like we we can't keep this up." I was on the phone with like some top people from GoFundMe and we were talking like all night and they were they're like, "Hey, Bricks and Minig come after us if we keep this up." And like they're sending us like the TTRO and stuff kind of like they did with the Patreon. >> Wow. They're probably also going to say like, "Oh, we never tried to take Ben's Patreon down." Then they do. Like, here's the thing about bricks and mini figs that we've realized is if they say something, 99% chance it's just not true. So, uh, that's kind of how we've been working. So, if they say something, it's about see about 98 to 99% I think is what probably about I'd say is an accurate, uh, thing of like what they say is not true. So, um, yeah. So, it's just I would love for them to follow through with what they're saying cuz they are saying a lot of times they do say the right things. They just don't actions speak louder than words, you know, and I think that's why they're getting so much hate right now is because they say they always say the right thing and then they do the wrong thing. So, uh, we would love to see them do the do the right thing instead of just say the right thing. I would if they do the right thing, I will give them credit for it, you know. I will be like, "Hey, Bricks and Minigs finally did the right thing. Let's like applaud them for this." I would be happy to do that, but >> it seems very easy. All it would take is just about 100 grand to make it all go away. >> Possibly less because he's already been paid for some. Maybe Crystal stole some, you know, like we're not we're not asking for Bricks and Minigs to pay for maybe what Crystal underpaid him, you know? So, if Crystal did take some, they would owe him less than 100 grand, you know? >> So, uh I I think they only need to pay him what they owe him. And uh but they won't do that for whatever reason. But I don't think they need to pay him more than what they owe him. Just what they like just the sets they still have of his, you know. >> And they have to do the chicken dance. >> And the chicken dance. Yeah. Because at first they wouldn't have to do the chicken dance, but because they brought it on this long and because they've done this much harm to us, I guess. And Brian, I think the chicken dance is now a good measure, you know? Like I I don't think like sending someone to jail is really like I would feel bad honestly if I sent someone to jail for like punitive reasons. Uh maybe if you're like a danger to society then you can go to jail. But as long as they are like okay we're improving we're not a danger to society anymore then I think the chicken dance would be a fair. >> You're not asking for much. I mean it seems pretty reasonable. >> What do you think the percentage likelihood is that you somehow end up in jail? >> I don't I don't think it would happen. I think the internet under under a half a percent like so smallous >> I mean they're they're trying as hard if you ask Bricks and Minigs I think they would say probably like 70 to 80%. Uh cuz they're confident they're sending me to jail. But for me like I mean I film everything. So everything they're accusing me of I didn't do. Like you know like they're saying I made all the like the main reason they're trying to send me to jail right now is for making all these like death threats and stuff against them and like trying to burn the place down and stuff. And it's like I you can go through you can have my whole hard drive like I didn't do anything you know like I've already submitted most of the footage to the police already so the police already know like what really went on you know. >> Yeah. So through this all what is the main lesson that you've learned? >> I think the power of the internet is kind of underrated. uh like because you can um I I think a lot of people are like, "Oh, I'm scared that I'm like to do the right thing because like maybe I'll get sued and stuff, you know, but like if you have the power of like public support behind you, it's kind of one of the most powerful things in the world, you know, like it it we're kind of doing what to this corporation what they were doing to Brian in a sense, you know, like, oh, we're going to win because we have more power than you." And now with the power, the the internet's kind of doing that to this company, which is crazy that the internet has that much power now. But I guess it really speaks lengths to how powerful the internet is. And what would your advice be to the average viewer watching this right now? >> Um, first off, don't harass the stores. Like we're actually trying to help the stores right now because they are suffering because of something that's not their fault. So they're kind of in the same situation Brian was in. You know, Brian was suffering for something that Corporate Bricks and Minifigs was doing something that wasn't his fault. And so now all the stores are kind of in the same situation. So harassing the stores would be kind of like joining bricks and mini figs aside, right? Because the stores are bricks and mini figs corporate is hurting these franchises. And now if you're also going and harassing these franchises, you're just teaming up with corporate bricks and mini figs, which makes you the bad guy. So I'd say first off, don't do that. Uh um I want to help these franchises, not hurt them. You know, uh I think they're innocent and we need to do whatever we can to help them. Um, that's probably my number one message right now. >> What about any message outside of the whole bricks and minifigs thing? Just something about life in general. >> Um, I'd say go out and do whatever is like fun for you. And I think like I'd say if you want to improve your life, probably just sit down and think like what truly makes me happy, you know? Like for me, it's like helping people and like having fun adventures with my friends. So that's what I do with this Lego thing, you I'm like, I get to help someone and I get to have fun adventures with my friends and we get to experiment and do cool things. And so I'm like, that's what makes me happy, so I'm going to go out and do it, you know? And I think if you truly do what makes you happy, then life will reward you. And now I'm finally seeing monetary benefits for it, too. So, uh, I think it's just the best way to live life, I think, is find out what makes you happy, then see if you can make money doing it. And we'll also just let you know like however much it is that you owe us. So, >> if you could just send that via wire, that would be great. I should have read it. No, I was joking about it. What's it say? Oh, no. I sent it to being recorded. Is there a funny thing? What's it say? Every time I say yes. Yeah. Nope. [laughter] 5,000. Ah, you got me. Well, it's a legal contract. So, uh I guess I got to do it. It's the what is it called? The um uh uh duty to read contracts law. >> Take this. >> I have a I have a >> like Nathan Fielder. I have a duty to read contracts. I didn't read. I had a duty to read it. >> Every time I say yes, yeah, no, or nope. I owe the iced coffee hour $5,000 per occurrence. Uh, each individual instance is build separately and the amounts are cumulative. I understand that compensation, if any, for my appearance will be discussed separately and is not guaranteed by this agreement. Nods, headshakes, Mhm. Yep. and naw count too at production's discretion. So, it's And we'll count everything. We could easily just settle for >> Roll the clips. There is no limit and no refund and there is no one that didn't count. So >> duty to read contracts law. D I should have read the I have a duty to read and I didn't read it. >> Your contracts unless it's like 30 pages cuz that's just that's just way too much time. But if it's like a short contract I mean you have no excuse. No reason. You see how short this is? >> Yeah. >> They didn't even want to like glance. >> I think I made that joke while we were >> you were like you're like a look at me not reading a contract. [laughter] >> Oh no. I'm starting without reading it. You guys, you just say I owe you $5,000 for every police officer called. >> Oh, I thought for sure you're going to be like, "Wait a second. Let me read the contract." >> All right. Well, there you go, guys. We're going to we're going to frame this and put it up. >> Nice. >> Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It was a really enjoyable episode. I think what you're doing is extremely noble. And one thing I like is that it does not seem like it's your goal to take corporations down. Like your goal is to not take a company down. It's to make something that's not right. Right. By whatever means that is like you went and actually tried to get information from the company. Like you try to you gave them the honor or like you seek justice. Well, I don't really want to take them down. I just want to see them do the chicken dance. I think that would be that would be a win for me. You know, they they're probably listening to this. Oh, yeah. Their lawyers are for sure. >> My advice. My advice would be I would say do the chicken dance. It's funny. The lawyers are probably going to meeting with them right now like all you have to do is do the chicken dance and we can get business back on track again. >> You know, it would be an easy thing to do. The problem is that it sets a legal precedent that if they admit to any wrongdoing here, it could open them up to liability elsewhere. >> Well, just reach out and and you guys can come to an actual like contractually binding agreement that involves a chicken dance. And that is so much easier because realistically from the way you're speaking, it really does. And it's the way that the court of public opinion it sounds like you guys are going to go bankrupt. But but the thing is all you need is mediation. It's just getting in a room with you and just talking for a few hours in private. >> Could you could it be in private in front of you? >> Mediation. >> No. No. I'm saying the chicken dance though or does it need to be posted? >> Oh, we can always negotiate the [laughter and gasps] >> like what if it's just you and them and they're just private. Yeah. >> Just a lawyer in the corner in a chair just like taking notes. >> Yeah. It's like a creep of like, oh, this is like for my personal entertainment. That's weird. >> I think that's I think that's the sign to call it. Guys, [laughter] >> thank you so much for watching. Really means a lot. Shout out to the members if you guys want to see the uncensored version. We will still censor the things you requested us. >> And by the way, >> guys, you can post it later once I post the videos. I am still undercover. Someone's going to contact them if we >> like I'm still like undercover, I guess. So, >> there's a lot of bonus content for all the members out there. you get full access to this podcast and there's a lot you'd probably want to hear. So, we recommend joining the membership and you also get access to our next episode before it goes live. So, if you want early access to all of our episodes, join the membership. Really helps out tremendously. We'll also link to your GoFundMe uh >> down below in the description. Does that does that open us up to liability? >> I'm sure it's fine. And if we get sued, can we use some GoFundMe funds? >> Yeah, for sure. So if we get sued by bricks and mini figs then we have that's what it's for. So anyone Bricks and Mini Fig sues, we're going to >> try to equal it up as equal as we can and try and get everyone lawyers. Guys, >> thank you so much for watching. Really appreciate so much. Till next time, I'll see you.