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All righty. We'll wait. Just give us one more second here. We'll wait till There we [laughter] go. Alder Bor is sitting down. Okay, I will call the public works meeting to order. Uh it's 5:18. Um we will start out with the roll call. Alder Menser >> here. >> Alder Boris >> here. >> Alder Haidman >> here. >> Alder Kelly >> here. >> And Alder Decker is here. We will start out with the pledge of allegiance. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All righty. Then we'll go on to number four. Approval of the minutes from July 27th, 2026. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion's made by Alder Kelly, seconded by Alder Boris. Any comments on those minutes? All in favor? >> Any opposed? Chairs I. Those are approved. Uh number five, public comment. Do we have anyone here that wishes to speak? Uh, please step up to the microphone and state your name and address and you have three minutes to speak. [clears throat] Okay. >> Uh, hi, my name is Jared Sto, 1627 Meat Avenue. I have a question about the front end loader that's on the agenda. Uh, my question is if consideration for an electric frontend loader was considered. Uh, I understand that maybe direct answers aren't acceptable in this type of meeting. In that case, I mean it for to be rhetorical to stir some thought into some thinking. Uh and then I would have a follow set of wise after that. Uh why wasn't an electric uh front end loader considered or not considered? If it wasn't considered, I mean, if it was considered, then why was it rejected? Is it because of a lack of charging infrastructure? If so, then why don't we have charters at the Department of Public Works for electrified trucks, front end loaders, other equipment, uh so on and so forth. Electric power trains can save on fuel costs and significantly save on maintenance and operation costs. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else wishing to be heard? One more time. Anyone else wishing to be heard? Okay, we're we will move on. Item number six, resolution number 722627 by old persons Decker and Kelly authorizing the purchasing agent to issue a purchase order for one John Deere frontend loader for the motor vehicle division of the Department of Public Works. And who gets to be the Okay, I excuse me. I don't remember your name yet. >> Hi, I'm Jacob Lesser. the fleet manager, Department of Public Works. >> Um, we are requesting, uh, I guess permission to issue a purchase order for a new John Deere, um, loader and plow. Uh, we're looking to re replace a 2009, um, version of that machine. Um, adding to the fleet will help um, in our snow removal and emergency response, you know, in in the situation that we have an emergency. Um, so yeah, the machine that we're looking to replace is at its end of its useful life. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, while while we have you on here, I'm just going to ask what the gentleman asked that about the the electric one and how much if you can give it just some kind of a reasons as to why and things like that. Just just just a just a quick general if you if you or or director Peterson or something like that would want to speak on that. Director Koulsky or Joel. Thank you. Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, so we we are familiar with the technology that's out there for electrification of uh heavy equipment. Um, there there are a few challenges with that that we struggle with. Um, uh, first and foremost, it's not widely used in this application at the present time. um the municipal market right now, you know, a lot of this equipment we utilize as a uh front end emergency type of response equipment for a lot of weather related events and things. So, you know, there's the concern of battery life. Um you know, what happens when the batteries die, right? And we're in the middle of a response either be it snow or um you know, tree damage or whatever the case may be. So, that's a big concern for us. Um it was mentioned that the infrastructure for charging um this equipment um it is true that we are currently not set up to to handle that. Um and you know I think I think I don't I don't think the city of Shboan wants to be the first one to test that market as far as a municipal front end loader. Um you know I think um you know these these units are utilized in the winter extensively. um there's some issues and concerns about how long the battery life lasts and um you know just some of those concerns. So while we're aware of it, we didn't really explore um you know that option um knowing that the front end cost of of those that type of equipment is um is quite a bit higher. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. Um I I concur. I mean, I I know that uh Madison's always been like the one the city in in this state that's been like at the forefront of a lot of that. I don't believe that they have anything of this nature yet either. And so, I mean, um you know, and they they've g some of the infrastructure. I I think that the technology just isn't quite there yet for electrical, but you know, as as as as things evolve, everything's getting better. everything's getting, you know, in the future we may be may be there, but I don't think we're quite there yet at this time. Alder Kelly, you have a question. >> Um, thank you. So, with John Deere, um, I I'm just curious about long-term costs. I see they were the cheapest on this um, chart of the bids that we got. Um, but I have heard just in general sometimes John Deere has a reputation for being maybe difficult to maintain. um due to different um right to repair issues. Are we the ones uh in charge of mostly maintaining this? I see there's an extended warranty. So, I'm just interested into how long-term costs factor into this rather than just the upfront purchase price. [snorts] I guess as far as maintaining goes, we are fully serviced. You know, we take care of everything that the machine needs minus warranty issues. um then the dealership would take care of that. Um I I guess as far as John Deere having their issues, every machine is going to have issues. That's just the world we live in. Um some some just have, you know, more of a connotation to them. Um but I have no no doubts that, you know, the crew at DPW in the motor vehicle shop will not be able to handle any challenge that comes across. Thank you. >> And then just to follow up, so is long-term maintenance um factored in in general for these uh vehicle purchases? I I'm just sort of curious about how that maybe factors in versus if it's just upfront price that we go with. [snorts] I guess you look at various different metrics. Um, you know, in in my opinion, we [snorts] have we're replacing it with a like machine. You know, we've had it for x amount of years. It's really been, you know, a a good machine. So, you know, kind of stick with, you know, what we know and and, you know, we kind of have an idea of, yeah, this machine will give us the longevity that we're looking for. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Anyone else have questions? All right. Be looking for a motion then. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion's been made by Alder Kelly, seconded by Alder Menser. Any other discussion? All in favor? >> Any opposed? Chair votes I. That is approved. Okay, we'll go on to number seven then. Uh resolution number 732627 by alder persons Decker and Kelly authorizing the mayor and city clerk to enter into contract with Mishuda Contractors Incorporated for the Gartman Farm Property Phase Bid package three construction. It's mouthful [laughter] engineer jump. Thank you. So this is the next phase of the Gartman development. Um, if you looked at it close enough, then we might you might have noticed we skipped phase two. Um, those b those plans are on the shelf waiting for some other things to occur first. Um, but this is the next phase of grading and earth work on the site getting ready for the utilities in the future. Um, if you remember, we need to bring in a lot of soil to this site. Um this contract brings in a lot of that soil with the option and a cost savings that if the city can find soil then the the cost of the contract will go down. >> Okay. Uh quick what is the approximate time frame on this uh phase of the of this? >> So the contractor is itching to get started. They would start today if we had a contract with them. >> Okay. Um I believe the contract gives them two two and a half years due to the the need to bring in so much soil. >> Okay. >> But they are itching to get started. >> Okay. Thank you. Other books. >> Thank you chair. Um engineer jump can you just as you said we've skipped phase two we're moving to phase three. Can you talk about um normally you would think those have to happen in order right? Can you can you speak to us about why phase 2 isn't moving forward before phase three and why we can move forward with phase three without phase 2 already being in place? >> Yes. Uh phase two is the utility and roadway construction that's for the site that was already graded last year. Um this is working south from there. So there's really no no overlap on the two sites. Um, part of the naming scheme is we've already got those plans on the shelf with entitled bid package too. So, this is somewhat just making our paperwork cleaner, but the the two projects they they don't they don't overlap. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Any other questions? All right. We would be looking for Excuse me. >> Go ahead. >> And just one point of clarification. Uh you'll note in the I believe it's in the contract that all hauling that will come to the site will utilize county roads and will not go through Stone Brook again as it did last year. So that was our commitment to that neighborhood. And um it will not be using stall um right off of South Business Drive. It'll use it'll go around County Highway V and then down Stall up to the site. So, if you go to the site, you'll see a a road has been pushed through that we work through with the DNR to get permission on that. So, um just so there's no misinformation out out there, going forward, there will be no hauling through um city streets uh to get to the site. All all hauling for this part of the project will be done through county roads. >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. That's very good, very good information. [laughter] >> No doubt about it. >> Uh anyone else then? Okay, we'll be looking for a motion then. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion's been made by Alder Kelly, seconded by Alder Manser. Any other discussion? All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Chair votes I. That is approved. Okay. Uh number eight, resolution number 742627 by old persons Decker and Kelly authorizing the mayor and city clerk to enter an addendum dated July 15, 2026 to the contract for with the full infrastructure and environment LLC for FEMA subreient management costs related to the Southside Interceptor System Rehab Access Shoreline Protection Program. And I guess this would be again be engineer jump. All right, thank you. Uh, last week we discussed the Lakeshore Interceptor Project and the FEMA and WEM grant. Um, as part of that grant, there is approximately half million dollars awarded specifically for grant management and all of the reporting that has to happen. Um, there's a level of expertise that comes along with that that city staff doesn't have the ability to do efficiently. Um so we would prefer to have both uh manage that work for us. Um additionally any cost that engineering finance or anyone else has to manage this is reimburseable in this grant. Um but we would like to give a contract to do that management for us. Okay. >> Thank you. We like grants and we like to make sure we get them right. So I am very much in favor of this. Uh, any other comments from the committee? All right, guess we would look for a motion then. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion made by Alder Kelly, seconded by Alder Mensor. Any other discussion? All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Chair votes I. That is approved. All righty. Number nine, resolution number 782627 by Alder persons Decker and Kelly adopting a new Shboan waterfront and marina master plan and schematic design. Okay, let's get you on to the There you go. >> Is this working? Can you all hear me? >> Good. >> All righty. Uh my name is Greg Wampamp. I'm with Edgewater Resources. Been leading the team. Um, online with us today is Michelle Rums, our architect, Mike Morphy, my partner in leading the engineering, and Susie Framson leading the park design. Um, I've been asked to provide a little bit of the presentation. The presentation that I'm about to give takes about an hour and a half. I'm going to do it in 20 minutes. [laughter] So, I'm going to go through it at a high level. If you've got questions, feel free to stop me and ask or we can get to that at the end there. So, um, we gave this presentation uh about two weeks ago as part of our public outreach process. I'm going to skip through this stuff because it's going to pop up on the screen here momentarily. How we doing over there? I'm on your HDMI up at this point. You think it's that end? Sometimes that works. Picture in your mind a beautiful new waterfront. [laughter] So I'm gonna let you. So >> So I set that up to grab it. Normally it just works, but this doesn't work down here. Safety's mess. What are you after? >> Usually duplicate works. So >> yeah, let's reset that. >> I've got a different adapter. I'll control that as well. This worked fine last Monday. Oh, it's starting to do something. Try this one. That make any difference? It's thinking. There we go. Perfect. All righty. Sorry about that. So um so just quick overview um we've been working with the community on this uh we had a tremendous amount of feedback from back in December. We've been working on a lot of engineering questions. Um key points here expanding the access to everyone in the community. That's number one. Um back in the 80s we built a lot of public marinas that the vibe was to build sort of this private yacht club experience. It's not what we do in public marinas anymore. Marinas are public waterfront spaces that need to be shared and need to be leveraged to create public access for everybody. Um, you clearly have some maintenance issues with it. What you've got out there, I would point out there's nothing really wrong with your dock system that you have. It's just old. It's just well past its useful life. That's why it's breaking. We did find some uh design issues that we're able to model now that they didn't have the tools to model back then. Um, that we and we think we understand why things are happening as they are and we'll show you those things. Um, so as we jump into here, we had several meetings. Um, as quite a few meetings, um, uh, and the public process input summary was about welcoming and accessible to everybody. I heard that probably a hundred times and we've really tried to take that to heart. Prioritizing green space over parking. You'll notice we're we are proposing to remove a significant part of the parking that's out there. We would point out the rationale for that is that 90% of the time it's way more parking than you need and the 10% of the time when you need more than that it's not nearly enough. So the strategy of sort of trying to thread this needle um has really cost you a lot of usable park and waterfront space and sort of led to the issues that you have. Um so what we'll be focusing on is creating more public park space, having a very functional parking system and then focusing focusing on great drop off and remote shuttling solutions to that. Um, I'm just going to keep on rolling here. So, some public meetings, pictures of that. Um, the pictures that were most wellreceived from the community. This is 31st Street Harbor and everything in that picture is open to the public with the exception of the floating docks. And I think that's the messaging that people responded well to. We can create a beautiful public park space that is a cat the where the marine is the catalyst for it, not not the sole user. Um, we will of course have private restrooms and things like that because the Boers are sometimes in there at 11:00 at night with their little kid giving them a shower and that's not a space where you want strangers with you. Um, those are the only things that are fully fully private uh for the Boers. Everything else will be very public. Um, again, flexible spaces, beautiful nighttime spaces, really making it a more desirable use, getting more public access out over the water is what we're focusing on there. designing in you know that beautiful little park there is actually designed to withstand 35 foot waves. So that is a park space that is actually a part of the wave attenuation system and in Chicago because 35 ft waves can hit that. So we can design physical infrastructure that we need and turn it into multi-use public spaces that are fun and beautiful to look at. So lots of feedback from all these different groups. Um we can go into this as much as you would like. So, very quickly on the engineering side, I'm going to show you about 50 models. I'm going to jump to the one at the end, but just to demonstrate that we did a tremendous amount of ice and circulation modeling. We had a camera up all winter long monitoring the ice. We have video of ice actually breaking your docks live and we can see what caused that and that aligned well with the imagery that we have. And what you're seeing in here is a series of circulation models. What you end up having with your with the way your harbor is configured is this. I'm going to call this the outer harbor here. When we have winds that come out of the east, that pushes the lake level up artificially for a short period of time. And that tends to create all kinds of impacts to the way the circulation works inside the basin. So when you don't have those easterly winds, you don't have these issues. When you do have them, it creates all kinds of new issues that we need to respond to. And so just looking at the ice modeling, this is the stuff we're going to try to prevent. We're going to talk about using some floating ice booms, some some really kind of lowcost simple strategies to manage the ice, keep it away from the docks, uh any more that's not in the basin. Um we're going to have some uh what we call a wave fence, a physical structure to break up that basin to deal with some of the circulation issues. And so we did all this modeling about the flows and watching what the water does. And these different models that you see that I'm blowing through very quickly are just demonstrating what is happening at different flows with different ice conditions and wind conditions. And then you'll start to notice you're going to start to see what we call a gy inside the basin. And as certain conditions occur, you're going to start to see some red spots. Uh the short answer is don't put docks where it's red. It's really pretty simple. Um and that right there, this essentially is our model of what we're going to propose to do. We're going to interrupt the flow in here by putting in and we're proposing a fixed wave attenuator here and a a um a stub groin here. That's going to help minimize any amount of ice that comes in here in the winter time. We'll put a floating ice boom in there. So again, whatever ice accumulates inside that basin, that's fine. We can manage that. But we're making sure that no other ice is coming in and that we're managing waves. You'll notice in the marina design right now, your marina, your docks go right through that red area and that's where you have a ton of damage. Well, I can tell you why. This is exactly why. So, we're going to avoid those things. Um, what's the joke? Doctor, it hurts when I do that. Well, don't do that. Well, doctor, my my docks break when I put them in this location. We're not going to put them there. So, jumping into here, you also have sand intrusion in here. Fortunately, the core intends to come and fix that problem. The core in the 80s built a lot of these attenuation structures with the the theory at the time was that we want to have these those big stone structures you see are not opaque. Water can flow through them. Obviously, not much less, of course, but you still get a lot of water that moves through there. And you can see in this case, it's bringing the sand with it. They're going to come in and solve that problem. We're going to recommend in our phasing strategy that we stay away from this whole area until they're done. There's no reason for you to come in there and pay for dredging when the core is going to come fix it and dredge afterwards. [gasps] So, um, majority of the sand is coming through that structure. It's we don't believe it's coming in from the river. So, so here is the overall harbor design. And so, in some ways, it's quite similar to what you have. Uh, but the the big overall views of what you're seeing here is we have kind of two main we call this a Christmas tree layout where there's a sort of a central spine and then there's branches that come off the side that creates some really interesting things for the boers cuz you're kind of once you're out there with your friends, you're not going out and going into different gates and things like that. Remember those red areas? The red areas sit right here and right here. That's very intentional in our design. you have a lot of docks that run right along the edge and what's happening is there's a lot of concentrated flow and issues and it's all all those forces are concentrating in a place where you really don't need that dock. We also have this main pier that is fully public and open to everybody. We're showing here this is what we're calling a courtesy pier or courtesy dock and the idea of that is to be more welcoming to our trailer boers that when they come in here right now a trailer boater goes out in the water they come back there's nowhere for them to go so they put their boat on the trailer and then they go home. We would like them to have the opportunity to get off their boat, enjoy your waterfront, spend a little more time and money in Shboen at the restaurants and the things. It's just a welcoming, generous thing to do. Plus, it can also be used for picking up shuttles. It can be used for uh tenders from cruise ships. Uh it could theoretically at some point, if there was ever a need to move the charters off the river wall, if they wanted to come out here, you it's there's no problem having charters near marina, but they don't want to be mixed in with the regular boats because they have a different operational cycle. They're they're putting boats in the water at 5 in the morning. fishermen are allowed, especially their kids. Um, and there's just some conflicts there that we like to manage by just creating a separate distinct place for them. You'll notice you have the existing building here. I can go into as much detail as you like with that building. Uh, sure, with enough money, we could salvage anything. It does not make sense to salvage that building. There's structural issues, raw issues. It's still leaking. We would have to completely strip that thing down to the bare bones and replace most of the walls. And then you would still end up with a building that's in the wrong place and not not you know we would have to add on so much to to support the rest of the uses. It really doesn't eventually make any sense. We've actually moved the boater services building down to this end. It's more centrally located closer to the fuel dock. We had contemplated earlier moving the fuel dock. It doesn't make sense. It's it's plenty close enough. So we're going to leave the fuel dock where it is. New bo and park maintenance facilities in here. And then you'll notice this is the row of parking that we took out is that row of parking closest to the water and we've taken that out and you'll see a lot more about that green space in a minute. Then we have a new um uh multi-use building out here that I'll go into in more detail later. So zooming in, here's a quick aerial view um of how these work. One of the things that we talked about with the voters, there was a question about pool. They really loved the pool. Uh when we talked to the voters about the pool, what they loved most about the pool, certainly some of them liked swimming, most of them liked having that private space. They liked having that gathering space. This was our space and we can do our thing. We're creating multiple spaces out on the docks. One, two, three, four of them here that would be out on the docks. So, fully private for them. Um, and a functional use that way. And, uh, then we're creating a series of garden rooms uh, that could be reserved. Uh, however you do the structure, whether you charge for that or not, it's an operational thing. So, um, it's hard to go through this so quickly. So, here's here's some pictures of the damage from your building. Um, it's just again with with enough money you can fix anything. It just isn't a practical solution. Um, I can go into that in more detail if anybody would like to. So, let's jump into this building. Normally, I would have Michelle explain this, but since we only have 20 minutes, I'm going to do it and if you have questions, she'll hop on later. So, this structure here, um, you'll notice it's a two-story structure. We're proposing to have a green roof on it. It would not be turf. It's a very specific it's called it's called an intensive, uh, green roof system. It's in trace. So, it's a beautiful thing. And if you have a problem, you lift up the tray, you move it out of the way. It's like it's like a tray of flats, uh like a flat of beonas that you get at a at a um garden store. So, what you'll notice on the ground floor, we have um of course there's there's always some specific, you know, these are the private bo restrooms again for the same reason I just mentioned. There's showers and those sorts of things. There's fitness, there's laundry, marina staff and harbor master and a lounge. There's a very public portion of the building. That's the welcome center with the shop and whatever choose to put in there, ice cream and sunscreen and ice and those kinds of things. Public bathrooms, public restrooms, mechanical. And then we have a parks department garage. The their existing building by the tennis courts is going to move into here. And then there's the marina garage. And so this is going to be places where all those staff can share that building. So that's the ground floor. And then when we move to the upper floor, um you have some additional boater facilities in here. And then you have what sort of emergency uh services command center. So when there's a big event in the park right now there's nowhere where they can observe everything. This is meant to be this is facing north and so they can literally see every bit of the park. They'll be right there right at the entry and have the ability to manage uh any issues that come up at that time. So just a few um you know we're just starting to dive into some of the uh architectural expressions of how this might look. Um we actually did some AI modeling so don't get too excited about these. you'll see some goofy stuff like why is there a thing in front of the road? These are just sort of studies that we're starting to use to explore what the what the massing would feel like, what the materials would feel like, and how the experience would feel. So, again, a very welcoming building, a lot of public spaces, um, and so forth. So, moving into the rest of the area, this is the main pier. That main pier, um, will actually have a fence as a part of it. So, we haven't finalized the design of it, but that is meant to break up the space between here and here. and that's where anybody in the public will be able to go out there and hang out. We really want to welcome everybody to come out and be a part of this. We'll have cool interesting lighting and shade structures and benches and those kinds of things on there. That's that sort of courtesy pier where anybody can come in and and spend a few hours. I'm pretty excited about that. And then of course the docks which are secure and behind gates as they should be. Um this is what the plan shows. So you currently have 248 slips. The plan shows up to 320. I'm not recommending that you build 320 on day one. We want to show what's possible. We want to permit what's possible. And then when we get to the point of making bidding decisions, we'll actually engage with the voters. Or at least this is my recommendation is we'd engage with the voters. I don't want to build a 100 empty slips. If we have 150 voters right now, we might build 200. We'd have 50 for transits. And we'll want to focus on some grant funding for that. But we're showing what you could do and how you would phase into it over time. One of the things that um you know doc systems last about 30 years and that is actually works well in terms of responding to the market. We're actually showing the the market has grown the the the sort of middle of the road for slips. Uh in the 80s when this was built was sort of the 30 to 40 was the meat of the market. Today it's really more like 35 to 50. And so the boats are getting bigger. And so while we have more slips, we only have like 30 29% more slips. We actually have almost 50% more totable leasable dock area. So we have a more efficient layout and that means what we have is we have more slips that are also larger. So you're going to have the flexibility to build only what you need, but you've got room to grow as much as you need. So I think about a 250 or 300 slip marina is a very good size. We built a few marinas in the 80s like Rine and some others that were up around a thousand. That's just too big. It really is. That that 300 to 500 is a good healthy big marina. I think around 300 is the right number here. So, um, we got some, you know, we will still, nobody will lose their slip. We're not getting rid of the small slips. We're just building more of the bigger slips so that we're serving the market we have. Nobody will lose their slip. When we get to doing the design, um, our intent would be to um, start demolition right after Labor Day of portions of the marina. Since you have available slips, we'd move Boers out of the way. And we want to have that marina open and fully functional the following spring. We don't want to have anybody lose their season. We might clip a few weeks off the end and we might start a few weeks late in the next spring, but we're going to have the meat of the market, the meat of the boating season will be open. Uh we've built many marinas where barring an incredibly bad winter like 20134, we generally get that done. So, uh we're going to have a very obviously fully modern standard marina. We focus on durability um for for what we call a municipal marina. I would say this, what we build for Marinas in terms of like what's the quality, how flashy is it? This depends on the different type of dock systems you buy, we're going to focus on the most durable system we can have and it will look great. Um, we want to we have we want a system that's going to last uh you we want 30 more years out of this, if not more. So, that'll be the key focus there. Uh, this is a small restroom building at the at sort of the northeast end. We have a smaller restroom building that is going to have both public restrooms for everybody and it's going to have three separately lockable again for the marinas with showers um that'll be behind codes for the boers. So we have multiple public and and private spaces for restrooms. When we talk about docks, this is flotation docking system. It's a a Great Lakes based company. That's what you have now and it lasted 35 years and and going with that company again. I that would not bother me in the least. They're certainly qualified. There's some other systems. These are aluminum frame systems. They look a little they look a little snazzier with the cool aluminum edges. Um we built one at Navy Pier in downtown Chicago that's a very heavyweight aluminum system. They're a lighter weight aluminum systems. What we'll be doing in the bid process is we pre-qualifying multiple systems because you have to take low bid. We're going to pre-qualify multiple systems so that no matter which system comes in low bid, we will know for sure that that is going to be a quality system that's going to work for you. So that's how we manage that procurement process. This is a steel frame system. This is a uh this is actually Walkagan. This is a steel frame system with concrete decking. Um and then this is a monolithic concrete. We're not going to recommend that one. That's just it's heavier than you need and um uh just not recommended for this particular use. So some imagery of what we want the upland to feel like shifting away from the marina to the upland park spaces. We're really focused on is creating a really welcoming environment for everybody. So, a lot of focus on natural materials, wood, stone, metal. Um, we don't want to have materials pretending to be another material. Like I don't like stamped concrete. For example, if I'm going to do concrete, I'm going to do a beautifully finished concrete, maybe with some stain on it, but it's going to be concrete. Um, when we do wood, we do wood. So, um, beautiful night lighting, a lot of interesting gathering spaces, seating spaces for folks. Uh, a lot of mix of different seating types. Um, one of the things when you're out there right now, you kind of don't really, you know, there's a few benches here and there and you sit on the rocks. We want to have, you know, this is a perfect example of how people, you know, I want to sit like this or I want to sit on this bench and people giving them many opportunities, um, and cool, interesting lighting is the way to go. Uh, swings. Um, there's something about a swing. Um, people will ignore a bench, but they will stand in line to get in a swing. So, we're going to be looking at a lot of different swings. And this is the kind of lighting character that we're looking for. It's called dark sky lighting. What you notice about it is you can see very easily. You can see color. It's interesting when you've gone from a non-d dark sky lighting. You know this this thought that we more lighting is always safer. That's not true. More lighting is actually creates dark spots and a lot of contrast. It's actually less safe and you have less visual acuity. When you have a space like this, that's there's nothing magic about my my camera there. It's just the fact that when you do dark sky lighting, you can see the color and you can actually have a much better rendering of of what's there. It's much safer. Uses less energy as well. it's better for the migratory birds and all those things. Just a few more examples. We are going to put in or proposing a splash pad. Um, if people really want to have that use, we are generally not putting marinas or putting pools in marinas anymore. We do splash pads. They're safer. They're easier. You're not worried about a lifeguard situation. You're not worried about what do I do in the winter. And the nice thing is when we talk about a splash pad, we're not talking about Crayola equipment up above. It's like when you turn the water off, it's a plaza. We want that space to be have multiple uses for different different time periods. We will of course have a random system so when the kids think they've got it figured out, they get soaked. >> Um fire pits, cool interesting spaces that we like a lot. Fully accessible. Uh we actually spoken to a boater um who uses a wheelchair. That's very helpful to us. We're going to make sure all those ADA um points are are covered as well. So, moving into the shoreline here again, right now, just to orient you, the current building sits right about here, and you have parking right all the way through this green space. So, this is the new uh this is the new um marina services, border services building. You'll notice we've added an an additional entry drive. So it comes up here and it goes around the the north end of the tennis courts here and it ties into the intersection just north of the YMCA. That allows you to come in, drop off and get out of the marina without having to go all the way through the site the way you do now. So that's minimizing and reducing the amount of traffic that comes in here. These things that you see here in the middle, these are raised table crossings. We recognize that this has become the drag strip of Shabboan and we want to prevent that. So those are raised tables, um, which is basically it's not a speed bump. The snow plows can still get over it and manage it. Um, but if a somebody tries to drag race and hits one of those, they're going to have a very bad day. And then we have the new buildings out here. So, I'm going to zoom in on this area and explain what's going on on the shoreline. So, what's going on in here is this a series of three sort of garden rooms. They're going to have shade structures, uh, little low walls to create little little senses, not not walls, not fully enclosed, but they'll be defined landscape rooms, so people can say, "Hey, this is kind of the space that I've reserved, and I can have my events here. There's three of them." Um, you know, we we talk to the Hong Kong community and they have sometimes events of thousands of people. Well, we're clearly not going to be able to service them everywhere, but we can start to use these spaces to grow and accommodate different sizes. This is that smaller secondary restroom over here that we talked about. And then as we just start to see what this might look like from the shoreline um here and then when it starts to get out tonight, that's what we want it to feel like is have that beautiful welcoming, safe, nice, beautiful glow on your water there. So then we get back out, we're starting to look at this end of the facility out at the at the point there. And what we've got going on here is this building's been really driven mostly by the second floor program, which was this desire to have enough capacity to do event centers for up to like 500 people. So that's a big space and that's really driven it. Now, what we wanted to focus on is on the ground floor is is there was a clear direction from the prior master plan of having a restaurant out there. We've made a recommendation that we don't think you should hang your hat on a single restaurant. If that restaurant goes under in June, then you've got a whole summer of an empty dead building. We think that's a terrible idea and it's a it's risky. What we're recommending is something more of the food hall trend that we're seeing all over the country. You see it at like the Milwaukee Public Market where there might be sort of an anchor tenant, but you also see five or six or seven or eight smaller spaces. We're we're listing them as shops here, but those could just as easily be a taco bar and a thing. So, if you've been to the Milwaukee Public Market, as I assume you all have, if one of those things is gone, well, that's okay. There's 10 other things for me to look at. And so, that's the idea on here is that there's a real mix of uses. All of these places, you might get food back here and then it's all shared seating and then you can go outside and have the shared seating as well. Restrooms, of course. There's a main view. As you come in here, you're looking straight out at the water. You turn to the right, you've got the gathering for this. Then you've got these shops. We're also looking at one of the things we learned when we were here in December watching the surfers um in December, God bless them, um coming out of the water and changing in the parking lot. Um that looked really, really cold. So, we're recommending actually creating sort of a winter garden, which is this idea that you could be out there and watching the surfing and having a place for them to come up, warm up by a fire pit, go inside and change in a warm place so they can do those things. Um obviously that surfing is such a cool thing. It's such a unique feature, we want to support that as well. So moving to the upper floor of this building, we have uh again it's event space for up to four up to 500 total and it's broken into multiple spaces. So there's sort of a 200 space, 200 person space on this side, 200 person space on this side. Of course, that can be subdivided smaller or opened up to one giant 400 person space. There's a 100 person space over here. There's catering kitchens and all those sorts of things. Uh our recommendation is that we create what's called a catering kitchen, which means the people who program this and want to have an event there can get any caterer they want. I want to work with that restaurant or this restaurant. Not that you would you would not be providing that food service. You'd be creating a space where other businesses that already exist can come in and operate within this framework. These rooftops, this would be a public rooftop. So if you were if it was a beautiful day and you got some food downstairs, you want to sit up on the roof, you can come up here and sit on this space. The roof decks around here are actually tied to these event spaces. So, if you're having a wedding reception, it's lovely to be able to go outside and stand on the deck up above and look at the lake and do those sorts of things. So, what you see here is you have that building and then we have this beautiful outdoor space here um that's going to have uh an outdoor bar that would be associated with this. So, you could get out there and and this would be sort of a liquor license area. we have to have that defined with a fence, but you could basically sit out here and have that experience and, you know, a little stage for a band, all these kinds of different uses. So, this would be set up to be very flexible and accommodate a lot of different uses. And then as you move into here, this is again a public space with the splash pad and and something along the lines of those pictures with beautiful wood, sculptural seating, and overheads and so on. This is the the sort of the winter garden where you'd watch the surfers and they would come in and warm up with a fire pit, those kinds of things. So, just some studies again of what that building might look like and some inspirational photos, green roof sort of thing. Um, again, we have a couple of AI representations in here. Again, just don't don't take them literally. They're just expressions in sort of studies. So, with that, I don't know if I did that in 20 minutes, but I did pretty fast. So, I'm going to open up to questions. I guess did I miss anything? You guys all know what I'm talking about. There's a lot of operational questions to be answered. Exactly how are we going to do parking? We'll solve it. Exactly. How are we going to manage parts and pieces? A lot to be done, but this is about the structure of the plan right now. So, questions. >> Oh, thank you, Rick. I appreciate this. I This is my third time seeing it. This is you, you really spit. It's like, you know, I like watching it on a little faster loop [laughter] than it's all. So, [gasps] uh I'm going to let the uh the rest of the committee uh ask some questions here and uh we'll see how far we get. Um we'll start out with Alder Kelly. >> Thank you, Chair. Um, I really appreciate your presentation. I've seen it a few times now. Um, so I just highlights I really like the flexibility that you're building into these spaces. I think that's going to be important as it's we can't predict the future and how exactly everything is going to be used, but I like the flexibility that's getting built in. Um, I I have uh one criticism, one thing I don't love about this so far. So on that one sort of overview you have uh labeled item F. It's that new entryway. Um here >> I do worry about that um cutting across that um shared use path. Um I just worry that there is additional conflict we're adding whereas currently that path is pretty much unbroken once you get past sort of the entry the current entry to the marina area. Um, so I do just worry about the pedestrian conflict, bikers, another car entryway. Um, personally I would like to see one entrance and that's kind of where people expect cars to be and once you get past that, um, it's sort of more safe. You don't need to worry so much about cars that are outside of the parking lot. Um, another thing that I remember from I can't remember if you said it in this presentation or if it was just in the previous one. Um, there was a mention of Boer bathrooms. Um, this might be more of an operational question. I know you had mentioned that there's a lot of surfers that utilize this area. I didn't see any public showers or anything like that. Um, so I I do think that may be something to consider is um is there some uh shower for people that maybe are in the water around this park that maybe want to take a shower before they head out? Um, that might be more of an operational question, so I don't want to focus on that too much. Um, and then final thing, um, I do notice most of the marina was focused on sort of the northern section and then obviously there's the yacht club and I know the youth sailing center that's more to the south. Um, I didn't see any mention of um the sort of uh wave break the rock wall on the southern side. It I'm not sure if that's out of scope for the project, if the ownership is different. Um I I just want to make sure that we're not forgetting that section and how that may impact the rest of the harbor. >> Sure. Um I'm going to take those in order. Uh very good point about this crossing right here where that path crosses this. Um we would recommend consideration of a raised table for that exact reason. In fact, we should consider a raised table even at this one as well to make the point of um you know that it's clearly that the pedestrians come first in that scenario. So that's a strategy. one one way to address it whether that's the only way we should revisit it when we talk about the um showers. So there's showers in this building um and showers in this building that are both dedicated those those showers are dedicated to the voters. We have the restroom that's up here near the sort of the winter garden I think whether I don't know if we've got showers in there. I'd have to get Michelle on the we can get Michelle on the phone here. Um if there's not showers in there that might be a place to put one sort of a warming shower but then we could also do this is at schematic design level. So then you'll see us at design development and a lot more detail to come. But we could also put some of those outdoor showers that have you know where we get the sand off your feet but a taller one. So those are those are things that you know that's the whole next layer of detail that we'll be getting into in coming months. >> Um third question remind me. >> So the the last one was just scope of the the wave break sort of on the southern section. >> Yeah. So the the main comment we got about this this uh Rockwell structure here um was from a boater actually who said when you come in here it's actually um and I can totally understand as a boater myself. He said it's actually very disorienting that there's it's difficult to see where that opening is when you're coming in from offshore and if you're not familiar with the harbor. Um so we've been talking about thinking about how we might do some navigational features out there that are going to make that a little bit easier to spot and make that entry more clear. Was there something else about that that you feel is important? Almost off screen, you can see just the the inner section of the rock wall. I just want to make sure that, you know, maybe that's more of the yacht club ownership. I don't know, but I just want to make sure that that's being considered as part of this. Maybe it's out of scope. I'm not sure. >> There's So, there is a um I believe that I don't know this for sure. I know this structure out here is owned by the core. I'm going to guess that this structure here is actually owned by the city when the harbor was constructed. And that would include this one. the um yacht club has their own wall that goes east and west at the bottom end that they're looking to replace. Um that's not in our scope. So I there's there's nothing that I would propose to do to the structure that's necessary for wave attenuation or ice attenuation. It's working fine for that. As I mentioned, there's some navigational issues at the entry. In terms of extending that wall back to the yacht club, um at the moment, that's a yacht club feature. That's a yacht club wall, and I know they're looking at repairing it. Um I don't see a reason um for [snorts] us as part of this project to build that wall here. So for example, we we actually did plans where we looked at instead of putting this wall in here, we looked at extending other walls in other locations. This is the most cost effective and most effective place for the wall. So it's it's less expensive and functions better than replacing that wall on their behalf. It wouldn't be because it wouldn't be on their behalf. It would be on your behalf. It just would happen to benefit them because they would be behind it. So, at the moment, we're not proposing anything down there. Um, and there's not a functional reason for the marina that would that would make me suggest something there. Certainly, the yacht club would benefit from it, but I think they're handling that on their own. I'm not sure if I'm answering your question well, but right now that's >> you did. Yeah, I >> uh thank you very much. Um, and I appreciate your presentation. >> No worries. Thank you. >> All righty. Uh, anyone else have questions, comments, or anything like that? >> Alderan. Yeah, thank you chairman. Um, everything looks beautiful and I've had a discussion with you as far as my main concern and what I want to have for the city of Shboen is the marina, all the other buildings and everything else. But when you're giving this presentation, where's the cost on these items? >> Um, you know, it looks nice, but I don't know how much that marina is going to cost. I don't know how much that other building is going to cost. So, when the final presentation comes to the the common council, it was like uh when we were looking at Fountain Park, they told us it was going to cost $5 million, but they didn't tell us how they broke it up as to where the costs would be. That's my concern. >> I want to know that I'm not going to adopt a pro a project that basically all of a sudden is millions of dollars more than I would have ever wanted to approve as an alderman >> and it doesn't satisfy, you know, the basic need here is the marina. Uh my other question is um when you redo the marina, how do the people that currently have slips there? >> Where do they know their their boat is going to be? Is that on a first come first ser uh or is a lottery or or >> Sure. >> So So how would So how would they choose their new slip basically? >> Yeah. >> Um that'd be some that's an operational question we'd work out with JJ and the team about how do we make that? One of the things I'm going to recommend, again, this is this we're showing here right now, um I think uh 70 slips more than you have now, and it's and what you have now isn't full. So, from a phasing perspective, I'm going to recommend that you get all the shoreline infrastructure in because adding docks once once you've got the shoreline in and the utility connections made, adding docks and adding sections is actually pretty simple um and fast. So, I'm going to recommend that we we get uh we start down in here and get this piece done and get this piece started. I'm going to recommend that we probably don't need to dive right into the north side of this until that wall is fixed. Um that's that's there's just I would rather them have have the core give them all the room that they need. We don't need those slips immediately. So, once that's done, exactly how do we get that done? We would want to before we go into bidding, let's make certain that if we've got 35 people that want 30 foot slips, let's make sure we have those and let's do all of that and then we can work with JJ about how do you how do you sort that out? Typically what happens is um it might be sometimes it's a first come first serve. They might say we're going to go back based on how long have you been in the marina and and that's how we set it up. People do it differently. You could do it a lottery. [clears throat] That's we don't know it right now. In terms of the cost, we're working on those cost estimates as we as we go. Um, uh, the biggest, the most challenging cost estimate is for these bigger buildings because they're pretty complicated buildings. We're actually working with a a building contractor to get us more accurate pricing than just, you know, some estimate per square foot. So, we're working on that. So, we should have that information soon. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. I have one quick uh question I just thought of as we were going through this. Um, as you're you you're talking about the north end of it by the pier itself. Um, is is that going to be accessible enough? Are they going to be like I know when when the court did the south pier, they had a big barge that they brought in. Are they going to be able to get a barge into that area to work to do that work? Are we going to have to, you know, um, uh, are we going to have to pull some of the docks out for them to do that or how is that >> So when So your your question is when the core is in here to do their work? >> Yeah. >> Are we going to have to pull our docks out? No, that's that's one of the reasons I'm going to recommend that we don't build this portion of it to give them all the room to work. They'll be able to navigate around the end here. >> Okay. >> And then we want to give them a big body of water to work. They will almost certainly be doing everything from big barges. >> Um we're also I didn't get into this much, but we're also looking at improving that connection. Right now, the sort of connection out to that pier, it's kind of like a little bit of a >> it's a little bit of an afterthought. And so when we want to collaborate with them when they're doing their design work, whatever they're going to do, we're going to want to really make this a much more connected feature. so that you leave that space and can go right out on the pier. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> It's sometimes hard to get the I mean the core has a very clear directive and funding to do a very specific thing and so it's sometimes a little challenging. Not because they don't want to, it's just because they're they've got restrictions on what they're allowed to do. So we'll be trying to collaborate with them and and they're they're usually actually really good to work with. So >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh any other questions from the committee? All right. Um we would be uh looking for a motion to um adopt this >> motion to um adopt this plan. >> Second. >> Motion's made by Alder Kelly, seconded by Alder Boris. I just want to make a quick comment. This isn't committing any money to this. This is just saying this is our plan for now and this is how we're working forward, I guess, is the best way to say. [laughter] So, uh any other comments? All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Chair votes I. That is approved. Okay. Uh we are looking our our next meeting date is August 24th. I would be looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> Move to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Motion's made by Elder Kelly, second by Alder Menser. All in favor? >> Any opposed? We are adjourned. Thank you very much. >> [music]