Podcast 234 // NOT an Ultra-marathon Runner | School of Calisthenics

podcast is back baby that's right Timbo it's been a while we've literally we've had a little bit of a break for the summer there's been a number of obstacles in our way that have stopped us from recording our highly regarded anticipated podcast everyone we were so happy to hear us back on the internet Airwaves Jacko there had been some requests of like what I haven't known what to do on my Wednesday when the podcast that um I was thinking at this point Jacob we need to we need to quell any rumors that we have not fallen out few people what's going on have you guys found an argument no we've had an argument there's been other life events have got in the way as like Jaco running far too far welcome to that one thing I was thinking about in the early hours of this morning not to um it's relevant we like a few statistics I was thinking I think we're in in the Navy like this I think this is uh episode 234 and we don't tend to ever have a break apart from at Christmas because you know you've got to go and deliver some presents um so we must have been doing 50 episodes a year so if my math is correct like we've been doing the podcast every single week for between four and five years so I think that deserves it yeah and that's why people are like oh God something must have happened we actually decided to have a little break just yeah people have been like I could tell you've been doing it that long because you run out of content voice without that she wants to have to think of some new ideas of things that we can talk about yeah so well I've decided to go and run an ultra math and so we've got something to talk about I mean that is the ultimate in scraping the barrel for Content we need to do stuff so we've got things to talk about that is the world um and we've definitely got something to talk about yeah today yeah interested to ask I am going to be Question Master today and I'm going to quiz jacket with the intention of bringing up some raw emotion and hopefully making him cry um because I got this I want to try and make you cry that would be the real gem yeah no one's ever seen Tim cry no they haven't it's um it yeah we'll talk about that it's not about me today Jack um I don't even do we want to roll a jingle or not of course yeah um all right so let's not after that but like a proper role of jingle yeah okay um so we're gonna dive into a conversation today it's all about Jaco's Ring of Fire which is not an actual ringer it's not actually his ring of the right but it's the ring of fire it wasn't like I had a night out and went to saplers in town yes use your imagination um so sit back and enjoy Jacko talking about his ring of fire yeah I can't take that seriously but roll that jingle [Music] you're listening to the movement strength and play podcast by the school of calisthenics here are your hosts Tim and Jacob foreign so let's have a conversation about the ring of fire so I mean if you haven't been involved in our socials or Jacko socials and you are wondering what indeed is the ring of fire um jacket contextualized what it was that you decided to embark on this summer let's just clear up two things it is number one it is oh the ring of fire and number two is um what it is it's a it's a three-day ultra marathon um which it does help if you know what you're doing is is a one of the things I've learned okay so um let's start at the beginning why did you decide to do an ultra marathon um so like I I'd start to do it more running or I think actually it started in South Africa oh that was that's a long way to run now as in the idea with we were we were in South Africa with you guys and um Matt and Gemma friends of ours and I remember talking to Jim because I remember trying to separate my my toes and I couldn't and she was like we're gonna say anyway and so got on to talk about marathons maybe a cheat done a marathon or MacDonald I remember thinking of stuff oh yeah you've always said you would have liked to do a marathon but you never did because you was playing rugby blah blah blah like you're not allowed to contracts and why have you and then I was like oh at that point I think it'd been seven years since I retired and it was like well what's your excuse so I literally like the following week just signed up to a marathon um and then I enjoyed the track I really enjoyed the training um I enjoyed using the run as a chance to like get away connect to myself and actually as a it was a it became a very good tool to actually like practice breathing better or train my breathing and I was going down that rabbit hole at the time so it was yeah it was good it was almost like experimenting with my breath as I was running as well as practicing and honing it um and I had two rules for that Marathon one was enjoy it and the other was you weren't allowed to stop yet to keep running you did a trail-based marathon didn't you it wasn't Asian it wasn't like a it was a trail yeah yeah it was it was off-road Trail in Suffolk um bits fit on the sand on the beach was actually good preparation because the the ring of fire was nine percent trail running around like Anglesey Coastal path but anyway essentially I enjoyed it and wanted to enjoy it because I'd like the training so I didn't want to like finish that Marathon be like I never want to do this again because it's actually a bodies ruined and hate it and it did I was pretty I mean I think I could talk about this before that's pretty stiff and like walking was difficult the day after but the following day after the first month and like I actually trained again I was like recovered pretty well and it was pretty good but what blew my mind was like the idea of running another Marathon the following day um so I was looking for I was looking for a multi-day event um this one propped cropped up and it just ticked the number of boxes around angles here North Wales like my mum and dad are from that area my sister currently lives on Anglesey he was like to go in visit my sister and do some rickies of the roux and that type of thing it was just the idea of spending three in my mind it was like oh running around the whole get to see the whole coaster I saw the beautiful beaches all the way around across three days it's going to be amazing and what actually happened was I didn't see any of angle C other than just the you know one foot square around on my feet were on the on the floor and that was if I could see through the tears in my eyes it started off it's like that'll be a really enjoyable few days I had to actually like Descent of the reality as I can gather from what I've seen so far was so much yeah this you know what's what's the Worst That Could Happen we're just gonna like go around Anglesey that'll be nice yeah so what I said Okay so we've got so it's three days just again just finish this conceptualization yeah it was three days give us the the breakdown of what you had to do each day what your time cutoffs and then we can get into what you learned and the process they went through so um and there's different levels to the learning there's some if anyone there's going to go and take on some sort of challenge um that they've never done before I can give some surface level stuff for them we can go as deep as you want to go um so it was 135 miles in total which is 216 kilometers on day one they annoyingly they don't spread it out evenly and they they like squeeze it um so you start one o'clock Friday and you finish at 3 30 Sunday so you start one o'clock Friday you've got 35 miles to do and you've got nine hours to do it so it costs 10 p.m at night day two you start at six o'clock in the morning and my first one of my first mistakes was like well finishing at 10 starting at six eight hours that's not too bad standard um yeah and it's not like you finish at 10 and go to sleep and then wake up at six and start over at like there's a whole anyway in your mind you've got like blue blockers on get my red lights okay might take a bit of time to travel between but yeah it was uh and then anyway so then day two started at six um that was then the big day that was like more than double so it was 60 or about double 67 miles 112 kilometers something um and you had 18 hours to do it that's a long way six in the morning till midnight um and then uh day three again starts at six in the morning and then you finish at 3 30. it was only 33 miles and they were nice they gave you an extra half an hour so you had nine and a half hours to do it but that's but that's because they gave me half an hour extra because you had to go over hollyhead Mountain which is like it's not crazy high but it's 500 meters across the whole three days because the coastal path is quite up and down you do 4 000 meters of elevation so it's like going up and down Snowden four times um and the thing that just one related to these timings is there was then like actually they were the cutoffs and this is where my poor preparation before the event started in the I saw those as cutoffs and this is like this is ridiculous I was even like you know at some points I was like you know what on day two yeah you've got 18 hours when I get down to Libra um lovely Daniel but I might go in the sea uh might stop off at the pub and grab us some bite to eat and then get you know literally thinking you can have an half hour break if you want yeah whereas um there are checkpoints not specific not every every two hours but roughly every two-ish hours the checkpoints range from anything as short as like 11k up to I think the longest might have been 18K 19k something like that but that meant if there was a short one you'd go up really it's only 11k but then what that would mean is it would be like a horrendous terrain for 11k tough so um and depending they couldn't do the checkpoint had to be a natural sort of break or place within the trail where you could actually get a cartoon in the support teams and all that sort of jazz um so yes I had very much had a love hate relationship with these checkpoints which started two weeks before the event when I've actually decided to do some research and found out what the checkpoints were and I was like in all of my training I'd never ever ever once ran for time ever so it actually already started stressing me out one that I didn't like being told I had to get somewhere for a certain time and then the other thing was like you could literally get you could you could get timed out after like literally 10K the first checkpoint I think was 11k um but yeah it just meant that you were constantly on the clock on the clock and I you know I went into it saying it wasn't a race and it very very quickly became a race I mean the other context is like day one was okay uh some basic sort of Challenge on day one was this year they decided you could just do day one if you wanted they called it the fire starter so you were like running along with people at the start and there's people going quite fast and you're like going oh they must be doing day one or you'd be you'd be trying all that was different was like on your number it was like a red thing rather than a black thing so you'd be asking people you know is as you can imagine quite excited at the start and you you walk I remember walking towards the tent for registration the guy's like are you doing uh the ring of fire are you doing the fire starter and I went a silly bloody question mate um yeah which yeah um yeah things yeah I say I had the furthest had run in a day before this was 30 miles so one of the problems I had was like day one was actually a PB never done that before day two was like a double PB and then day three is another PB and yeah because I think you like we spoke about this a while before before you you had the event and you were like you actually can't train for an ultra in a sense of you can't just go out and run 35 clock 35 miles in three days and see how you get on and do that for training like see there's always going to be a certain amount of unknown at least in the first time you've ever done one the second time you've done one then okay you've got you'll kind of know a little bit more about what you're going into but your first kind of like um foray into the marath altered marathon world was always going to be quite difficult what did you um because you managed to maintain quite a high level of like a buoyant attitude so I remember seeing you in the morning before the race and you're like shoes got some like element like before you had everything going on I was like oh it's great he's ready to go but like were you at that point already bricking it about no no what was it did you not did not hit home until you actually started the race um no I was I was I couldn't so it was started Friday Wednesday and Thursday night I found it hard to sleep I was excited um okay and at that point I thought I was well prepared so I was like not necessarily I knew I was going in something I'd never done before so but I was there was a confidence is probably the wrong words it just definitely knew I didn't know what I was doing but um it was like I'm happy with what I've done and I've done with what I've done uh something I'd something I'd said previously is like if you can do half of something I believe you can do all of it and from a mindset of space it would sound a bit silly but like also rationally like because you know once you get halfway through something you know we only have to do what you've already done and you've already just done what you've done so you know you can do it type of thing and for the marathon I'd never ran more than half a marathon which people told me you should you know in your math and training you should run at least up to 18 20 miles or whatever and I just I didn't more so because I didn't have time and that type of stuff um and doing half of a marathon and then being able to get comfortable half marathons meant that Marathon was all right but the trouble I had was I massively disrespected the challenge of the distance and what a multi-day event is like so I thought by doing what I did manage to do in June in Exmore was a 40 miles over two days there was this 30 miler then they had an extra 10 miles um of a separate race on the sat on the following day and that was good for me to like run the next day and actually feel like you're stiff as a board and as soon as you start running like you start freeing up and actually I felt better on the second day than the first day but it was only 10 it was only 40 miles in total what uh uh a top level or Surface level sort of um lesson for me is back to what I already knew like you need to do half of it like so I what I needed was I needed a 70 Miler over two days um in and I feel like the we've talked about this before with some of that like Gemma who mentioned before the physio of British Athletics you're most prone for injury when you're PB when you're at your best because your body's doing something it's never done before it doesn't your nervous system just doesn't know what it's like to experience that or fire like that or whatever um and I've definitely felt it now afterwards it's like having done it and actually survived my running now that I've recovered feels amazing went out for him this morning and I'm like I'm at my I've seen my old snc coach uh Joe Brun uh but had him on podcast actually um and he was like he was like very clear on sort of like two things he was like well what he was like you've basically done probably six months of training and squeezed into three days so it's like if you let your body recover yeah you're gonna you've got that those adaptations but he was like your body is going to pay you back for this this was like once I'd finished he didn't think I'd do it um just being honest and I actually really there was two people that said that to me one was my sister's neighbor he'd never said it before but afterwards he was like um he's a Jody he's like I tell you what Joko I didn't think he was gonna do it man like and he was like he was like don't take this the wrong way he was like just you haven't like he'd knew I'll be taught quite a bit when I visited my sister he was like he'd know he knew how much training had done he was like he hadn't done enough so you're not like you can't do it's like it's it's that the body did she did well not to actually like um get injured uh but I feel like the the nervous system needs to get an experience of a certain amount before you then want to go and overload that and I feel like a halfway point um would be decent I've got nothing necessary to back that up if you know what I mean but um and I definitely feel it now in the system if I go having let having recovered run now and it's like the amount of foot contacts I've got like my just my achilles and calves and things are just like bang bang bang back it feels it feels good um so yeah that that was that was uh that was definitely uh that was definitely a this it's weird right because there's like I wish I had done that but then some of the biggest things I've got out of it as an event was because I wasn't that and I wasn't ready and I wasn't prepared um yeah but in terms of being excited before and and buoyance like yeah I was um it was almost like I knew I was I was like letting myself be because I wasn't sad I was letting myself be excited um you asked Catherine she was like bloody hell in the morning of the thing he was pissing about doing this on his camera and blah blah blah blah and it was like it was it was getting all the food ready it was getting all the drinks ready muggins over here what a boy yeah she was absolutely ledge we can get on to it later so yeah I think interesting though because you say like if there was been a lot of experiences where you've not done something of that duration that's not going to be over quickly and you your brain and system doesn't have the concepts there'll be a lot of surprises that would have come up along the way of course I didn't expect that because you'd never done it before whereas that's when you see people with like experience of these sorts of things like You're gonna go and do an event and things that happen feelings that you get your body's response all that sort of stuff I've been here before and I guess that's probably where the change came from not having done that kind of amount of running as you said like half of it before at what point when in the event itself did you start to kind of go oh dear like I haven't either I haven't prepared like optimally for this or um in over my head or I'm like yeah when the word of the world kind of close and then go okay this is this is this is serious it so I say day one I was hoping to do it in uh what do we have with nine hours to do it and I think I was hoping to do in about seven and a half and it took me eight and a half so it's a bit slower it meant we got back a bit later to bed a bit later had a nice but I felt better after the husband it was like okay that was harder than I was thinking it was going to be and day two is like just don't know what day two is going to be like and it was a case of like okay uh lie down in bed alarms set for half four because we had to get up and then drive half an hour to the start of the next checkpoint because I chose to like have the base at my sister's house because it was about half an hour drive from any of the checkpoint only of the the day starting points so it squeezed that time from like okay probably got in bed at about half 11 12. alarm set a half four the system couldn't turn off brain like all night nervous system was just like well uh I don't know about you jacket but I'm ready to go really and I was like so I couldn't sleep um I reckon I slept I reckon I slept like two or three times for 10 minutes something like that um but again there's a bit of an excitement of like day two is like the thing it's like it's the double distance day well if you if you can do day two like you're statistically um history has shown that like only one or two people in the final day don't make it type of thing if you make it to start day three you're very close to doing it um and in my mind I was very much like thinking that was the case and a lot of people talked about that there's one person Brian Keane who's another fellow Ultra Runner that isn't an ultra Runner we had to run a podcast called attention he did say to me met him in Ireland he gives him very good advice and that will probably come back to this in this story that he was like no no day two isn't your problem is that day three is your problem it was that why is that he'd done he's done math and disaba and one in the Arctic and he was like you won't be you you might not be able to get out of bed on day three he said he says he remembers his mum and his sister think or his daughter having to physically pick him up to get him out of bed because he couldn't get him going for that final day and you're like thinking okay but it was good that we heard it was good that my wife heard that as well most importantly but yeah so I'll come back to that because day two or day one was the most of the route that I knew we'd record most we'd record half of day one so day two those bits of it we knew from just being around the area and whatnot but um just some really really slow bits really slow bits and um I came into the first checkpoint about 15 minutes early which was okay um but wanted to start to build up a bit of a buffer for like okay if I'm gonna die later let's have a bit of a buffer and the next checkpoint I'd lost five minutes I was down to 10 and the other next one more cut off yeah yeah so I basically was then like it started to become stressful being that that close and I think before the third checkpoint there was eight checkpoints on day two before the third one Catherine started running with me completely unplanned she'd run the last section of day one planned because it was in the in the dark she was like it's just nice to have someone with you in the dark but she started running uh before the third checkpoint on on day two just because she could see that I needed it they were worried that I wasn't going to make that checkpoint because there was a Tracker you could see where people are going and stuff um I know it's some funny stuff like um I don't know how much of this side of me you've seen But like of just anyone when you make someone extremely stressed like the how you think you go very Prime and like we'd start it four minutes late on day two and the guy in his announcement said you know we've never ever started late ever but the performers say anyway I get to I get to the checkpoint about Marius now the one before bone marrows which I think beaumas was halfway but the one before I got to Chip and I was like to at Marshall I was like or just sort of you get there and you're just like you're trying to be as quickly as possible because there's eight checkpoints if you spend 10 minutes at a checkpoint you're racing around 20 minutes yeah yeah you ain't got that so you're trying to be as quick as you can have something to eat fill up your bottle again like go and um I was like can someone confirm the four minutes that we'd like you're giving us those back and then everyone was like and then like so and I said it a little bit aggressively by the time I got to the next one when I'd not be given an answer I was like and someone [ __ ] confirm that we are getting those four minutes and someone oh it was it was it was two minutes that we started I was like oh this is like those four minutes were like I'm sorry we don't normally swear on the podcast but like yes it was it was it was raw and that was like Mega desperate it was like four minutes meant everything anyways people just like okay tell that crazy guy at the back that like it's okay we're giving this one minute well that's stressful right now you think about those um like when we've run condition sessions is a bit of a completely different context but you set this up and it's like right we're going to go every 45 seconds and it's like you've got running to do whatever and you're like if you're the guy at the front you get there with like 20 seconds of spare you like just chilling like absolutely fine you see that like rugby context you see the prop forward coming in like literally on 44 seconds is that right again so it's the least fast least fitted person just gets absolutely shafted in those so if you're coming in with like 10 minutes to spare it's not like you can sit down like take a stew out of stone out of your shoe like you are literally like running for your life in terms of staying in the event each time with with minimal cushion it's stressful I sat down once at a checkpoint and that was the the penultimate checkpoint on the last day so only to change the socks is the only time I sat down um but yeah so as day two just got me a bit went through these different stages where it was like how she would feel good to run all of a sudden even though you felt absolutely um gone um but essentially my Garmin ran out of battery flipping halfway through day two it couldn't even last so day two ended up being 17 hours 45 minutes I came in 15 minutes to spare yeah shout out to Garmin sort me out with a better watch son where's um who's our mate that works with Carlos Martin anyways is that well you just it basically bought the cheapest the GPS on the Garmin absolutely rinses the battery on all all of them to be honest like all trackers as the GPS track anyway side note it became what what it ended up doing was it ended up being like well you don't know where you don't know how fast you go you don't know how far you've gone you don't know how long you've gone it was a case of like you've just got to get to that next checkpoint and it was like how long is it how far right and that and that was it um I say Catherine of those 67 miles she joins me before we're done 20. before we've done a marathon on the on that day so she's she's probably done 50 miles that day 50 miles and like 50 100 meters ahead of me some of it backwards some of it holding up holding a bag full of food like just incredible um but yeah we we got there and it was like wow um when we're getting back having the ice bath because the ice passed out last time ice bath nearly sent me into some sort of like yeah thermal shock I was like shaking shaving got in bed like I couldn't get warm I mean by the time the system at that point is like don't put any more stress in this is a bad idea like I don't stress them anymore but my but my muscles and the joints and like my legs liked the eyes but just like my nervous system didn't yeah so probably got laid down in bed at like half one and again alarm set for half four and it was like well I know what's gonna happen because I just experienced it before like you'll be able to sleep and brain's just going like let's run let's run let's run off when are we going running when I'm ready it's like I'm ready we're going anyway again dozed off at 10 20 minutes or something like that woke up and then that's I knew it was bad on day two but then this is when it just so I wake up and um and I feel sick I've got a headache and it was it was the same type of feeling Sensations I had from a from a brain injury and I turned to Catherine I'm like I can't do it and I can't do it um and it was like I don't want to do it I feel sick um and she said you you might you you need to try otherwise you're going to regret it because she didn't say remember what Brian Keen had said to us but she was remembering that she was like because I asked her after was like why did you push me I'm surprised not push me but Joey just encouraged me I didn't expect it to encourage me I was expecting her to say yeah like this is ridiculous enough is enough like you've had a good go at it I like go I then go to the toilet and I'm like sat on the toilet and my sisters didn't even have enough energy to close the door little Bobby a little her little baby had woke her up luckily and she came downstairs to just wish me good luck she could hear me wish me good luck for the final day and I'm like sat there crying I can't poo I'm just a mess and the types of things that go around in my head are like you idiots like like I was I was actually disgusted with myself of like because what and what I've what I felt was like like because everyone there was so nice like all the stewards it's such a great event and all the other Runners and everything it was amazing one of the amazing things about ultra running that really loved was like you know you could look at me aesthetically I'm thin and some muscle tone and blah blah blah an ultra event like that doesn't care if you're 65 or 25 it doesn't care if you're like thin or not it doesn't care it doesn't care about any of that and you it was just you had no idea you'd look at someone and go are they gonna make it or not you like got no idea um and uh I disrespected like everything so I I felt like I shouldn't have I felt I was sorry that I'd signed a um yeah signed up to it and I was a bit scared like because I didn't want to go and do it but then I felt a bit ashamed and I was very very negative but I felt just like like not um unrational like rationally negative like you are you're an idiot like and this is not actually safe for you to do in like you know stay in your lane you're not an ultra Runner so don't sign up for stupid things you're not prepared for and then the the to to add to add to to add a bit of taste to it was like with um there's two like Vivo bare for an auction Advantage at both because we'd approach them to like sponsor support the event basically pay for two um guys to come and film um to film it to make like a documentary because in my mind it was going to be this nice story and out of it whatever and I was at that I'm going documentary if Anglesey is going to look beautiful and it was like you know you're an idiot for all those reasons I just said and it was like to add on top of that you've got two people to come and film this and two companies to pay for it to be done like what are you gonna say to them what's the story now oh we tried hard and we had a good go at it and it was really hard the first two days but we couldn't do the last day but Everyone likes to try here like what I mean I was literally like trying to go through my mind like what are you gonna what are you gonna do like what's gonna be the story anyway um my little sister because just try and get in the car that's the first step and I like looked up and I was like you know like my hair is like over my face I was like oh I'll I'll try and get in the car because it was like I felt like it was it was a beautiful thing because I'd like you know I'd written down like I knew what the checkpoints were how far to do it but completely forgotten about the ability to literally get to the start and there's some there's definitely like a simple what's the simplest actionable step you can take in something in life when you feel completely overwhelmed and out of your depth like there's something that you can that you can do you can take what is there try and find that or get people around you that can support you to actually do them and and that's what happened I didn't I didn't think she didn't challenge me she didn't suggest anything other than try and get in a car so I tried to get in the car literally I was then I'll get in the car um my sister-in-law Sarah came she was picking us up she then sees me on the toilet as well like by this point I've already done a poo in the middle of the street like on day two like you've lost you've got no roots respect for yourself I don't know it's not the same but it makes me think if we're like when Karen went through pregnancy there comes a point where she was like gonna go and like her always picture his mind it's gonna be perfect and then there's if you don't care yeah whatever have a look at whatever you need to whoever needs to come in can come in I don't care anymore yeah yeah definitely um so then yeah literally I was like getting a car so like got uh I mean Sarah Sarah is picking us up in the car um I literally got my stuff together I couldn't put my left I kicked it I've still my toes still bruised now I don't know if I broke it or something but I kicked a big like rock on day one and that toe had been annoying me on my left foot like the whole time I was limping it was weird I was like walking when you see some of the footage you're like I'm limping when I walk but like running's a bit better it was like worse for me to walk my walk was very slow it helps to have a good walk if you can do an alternate because you're gonna walk at some points it helps to be faster talking anyway I couldn't get my left shoe on so I'm like in the car I think Sarah gave me some paracetime I remember thinking oh yeah okay that might help and um I'm just saying the guy named Catherine's like got all of them like I didn't even have my race bib I didn't have nothing because I think got all of my stuff together bearing in mind she'd ran 50 miles the day before as well and she was thinking you asked her she's like yeah I uh I didn't think I was gonna be able to run on day three um felt horrendous and she was like then I saw Dave felt better and then and then she said the other thing she was like well and when I saw her I was like okay once we got to the start line she was like well this ain't gonna last very long so yeah I'll start with it um but yeah we get to the um we get there I finally get my left shoe on hobble out and I'm thinking I'm thinking I've done an amazing job to get here and I'm like looking for who's who are the other guys and girls that are absolutely fine yeah where's my community right now I need my other most other people that can surround myself with to make myself feel better there's one there's one guy sat down in this Village Hall he's about 65 years old he might not know if you've ever been doing the event I don't know everyone else is like walking around I'm sure they were stiff and stuff but walking around laughing having a smile and yeah oh yeah a bit stiffer like but everyone's like doing all right and I was like it just sent me into just a pit of just like wait I'm I'm here for the pity party I don't know where can you direct me to where that's happening please I was like literally sat so I found a chance to collapse on I was like again my hair is just over my face because I didn't want to look at anyone I didn't I didn't want to look at anyone in the eye because I'd like you know buying disrespect in the event I was like disrespecting all these people who'd come prepared and I still did I don't I don't think cousin itz was going to be doing this anyway and it wasn't like it wasn't like you know to cut a long story short like we completed and say we not I we completed it in the end within the time for anything but it doesn't change the fact that I disrespected every single person that ran the event I don't know why do you think that why do you think you disrespected other people by rocking up to an event and having a pop at something that was outside of your comfort zone but because I can't describe to you how far out of my comfort zone like I'm there as a grown man just crying my eyes out in this room literally like are we like if someone had offered me if God had just come back through it Dawn gone should we just go now you can be dead I'd have been like thank God you're here right let's go like I don't want to be here no more like and we walked out that door and uh there was one guy I mean they said they went off and said you know ever people go off gingerly but it's a slow Jog and there's the good people I mean the good people are like ridiculously good and they when we're finishing at midnight they're getting in at seven o'clock in the evening yeah um but anyway everyone runs off I can't even remember Catherine Mrs Jacko being with me at this point in the it was it was just dark and I was like gingerly walking I was literally hobbling as I walked out and one of the marshals was like great energy Dave like and I remember thinking like you're taking the best but I had no energy to like do anything and we had for the first two hours they'd warned us in the Rave brief and there was like a a storm with like 20 mile an hour winds and rain so we come out and I'm like in my mind I'm going well at least I'm moving I've started didn't think I'd get here um best case scenario we'll walk to the first checkpoint get timed out all my family's here we'll just walk the rest of the day how long is it going to take to limp around 33 miles I was trying to work I was like I don't know we'll be finished before midnight I was just trying I was like and I was thinking at least I can say I've done it there's something there like I did it but not in the actual event I finished the route um it took about 20 minutes to do the first kilometer which is like uh I'm trying to think of think of a word of a house like it's slow um and um the rain was just like hammering that this 20 mile an hour that wind into her face and you were literally like this is so Bleak now um let's just get it over with a bit quicker like if I could like can we just move a bit faster so just tried running and it was like my foot was less paint my toe was less painful running and just started running and I remember sharing to Catherine I was like cathered I'm right here and she was like I know and I was like I don't know how like it was that that was a pretty cool feeling it was like there's this override that makes no sense physiologically like it happened a few times like ice the last 300 meters I sprinted like and I mean sprinted fast fastest I've ran because I haven't done any fast running for for a long time just sprinted at the last Arrangements of the whole thing with it's like how is that even what's going on there it doesn't make sense do you think there's a piece there in like um the realization of the system so there's obviously like people have talked about this at length in terms of like the physiological capacity and there's almost like a rate limiter you've got the whole kind of very simplistically the fight or flight type of response to extreme stress in that sense giving is there a did you feel like that it was a place of the brain was like I just want to get this done like and the faster I can get this done the sooner it's going to be so you're in a place of where it's like I don't want to do it versus I just want to get this done and the quicker I get this done the quicker this is going to be over and then it just shifts into that place as opposed to so basically you've got Attack Mode as opposed to fearing it and fleeing from it um it went it ended up for me being a case of like and like I I believe in positive mental attitude and positive thinking positive thinking definitely helps but it it was not a determining factor for being able to achieve something in that I was so negative I completely given up there was no a single ounce of positivity in my body um and actually thinking was just like a waste of energy and um I it was literally going to like those thinking of like what my sister said to me like an actionable step and it was like for me it was the there was just it was like don't think about anything I didn't like trying not to think about anything I just ended up like not thinking about anything yeah what's the next step because it literally and it was it was it was like breath and step breath and step breath and step breath and step and that and that's literally um literally all it was but you know the whole time I add so Catherine ran those that all 33 miles at the end so she's done over 80 miles across the three days and yeah we didn't get a medal navigating yeah like navigating drink water encouraging just literally like um dragging me through that thing and yeah yeah I would not have uh got anywhere close um on my own for sure mate what a story so it just um I don't know let me share a reflection and I want to give you a little bit of an open platform because I think we could probably talk about this for a couple of hours but um so you hear those stories where people have been to that um that kind of place and like the one that reminds me of is I don't know if you've seen on much of a movie guy are you but like there's one called touching the void where there's a tour is the guy who basically gets cut off of a climbing line on K2 falls into a crevasse and then like yes completely busted up and then crawls himself back down to the base camp on K2 and his mindset is like can I get to that rock get to that rock can I get to the next Rock and this guy's like same like same place in terms are absolutely broken um but there's definitely that thing that I'm interested in your Reflections on this of going like you can hear all those stories and you can watch all the multiple motivational movers around that but what's the difference of finding yourself in that situation to what you are now like two or three weeks later from a reflective perspective has what's changed as a result of being there that you're now in your perspective of Life hardship resilience it's a good question and like there's there's like there's there's two there's two big things like one is one's Connection in that I went into the event thinking it was going to be a challenge for me and I was going to do some like you know personal inner work let's say what it turned out very quickly to be was like um a need and a desire like for other people and and to connect um that and then the second thing being that that override um and that override that was kicking in for because Catherine had it as well because she's not trained for the further she'd run before this was 15 miles and then does 80 like but that for us I believe that override was just coming out of of love and a need to to help someone support someone I sort of think about it as if if you fall over down onto the floor and you need help getting back up I pick you up I don't pick you up and throw you in the sky so I can only help you and show you as much love as you need at that time I don't recommend it and it wasn't I wasn't trying it to at all be about this but I was so I was out with depth I was literally at the bottom of wherever and I needed a lot but when you I I was just forced into that position of being just totally vulnerable and just totally at the at the mercy or just at the need of of Catherine um and it's made me understand some stuff about myself in that like you're like this because uh you will look you will have um described me as an awkward hugger right yeah that would be a fair a fair a fair thing and it's like I didn't know this going into this type of thing but um I'm when I was like you'd get to the checkpoint he's like you get to that next trip and one of the things you're going to get at that checkpoint is some people there cheering for you and if if anyone there that I like if I saw you you're getting hooked it was like I just desired that like physical contact it was almost like I got energy from the physical contact and there was no awkwardness in it it was just like I need you like you come in here and give me give me it's like I need it um and I've I'm of understanding for myself that like there's a desire and I want to like connect deeper with people but an understanding that like I've I've an awkwardness to me when I don't know someone like it takes me a long time so it's not that anything's necessarily changed now in that like I'm still going to be like socially awkward around someone I don't don't know them but I'm aware of that much better and I'm aware of like okay what what things can I start to do or think about that's going to help me connect with people without having to like absolutely bury myself on a on an ultra marathon yeah yeah that's really cool actually 100 35 miles of running means that we can actually have a normal hook now that's going to be good well if you were there you would have got one but what I'm saying now I'm still I'm still I'm still awkward at the moment I'm still working on it don't worry when I see you next we'll get in there we'll ever come and practice in a safe space um right so we're 45 minutes in Jackie we're going to bring us in towards the landing but there is so much in here that you could probably unpack and I could continue to do an excellent job as Question Master as I feel like I have to yeah yeah um so if you had a platform now which you have for the next few minutes um what are you sharing like if someone says like and it'll obviously it'll be different for different people but like what is the biggest thing that you would want to pass on from this experience to other people um I was like forced into vulnerability but got an experience out of that that I wouldn't swap that for it so it's this it's this weird it's this difficult thing of like I haven't got a David Goggins message for you of like just having yourself and kill yourself because it's not recommended um as far as I'm concerned but I I experienced a level of like need um a Reliance on someone else like a baby being reliant on on the mother father um and as an adult we don't do that in a lot of our society will tell us that being strong is that you know you can do it on your own and and for me it's completely flipped up on its on its head um and there was a bit of a there was a bit of a strange parallel that I'll share but I it comes with a caveat of like a feel bad saying it because it's because it's on it's it's on not unfair it's just it's not proportionate but there was a parallel that came out um when we were filming some Reflections um where you know when my dad died early this year and I was living at home helping my mum look after me he passed from Canton for the last four weeks like I saw saw his health deteriorate but his Reliance on my mum like increase as as his condition deteriorated and it was it was it was like the the saddest thing I've probably seen but at the same time the most beautiful thing I've seen in the I saw a side of my dad that not sort of really seen before and all he had he had nothing if his life was just literally stripped down to nothing I didn't you can't do anything but all he wanted was my mum and he literally remember him Sat on the couches and saying that and all he wanted was my mum but then and the beautiful thing was all he needed was a that was it yeah um and there was that parallel for me which I say it's disproportional because you know they were talking about my Dad's life but there was a there was an un there was yeah it's actually I didn't you know I signed up to this event way before my dad got ill so I didn't silence the event to help with the grieving process but the experiences as has given me that out I felt like of went to that went to a place of vulnerability um and I haven't got the answers for people but I'd encourage people to like where can you allow yourself to be vulnerable because some beautiful things can happen if you go there um just go there with someone or with people good I'm going to add no comment on that because I think you said everything that needs to be said well we haven't actually it's finished the story Jacko did you finish a ring of fire yeah yes in the time of it we're 15 minutes to spare there you go third from last um interestingly five minutes after you've finished you cross the finish line you'll be fair to taken and someone goes do you want a beer and I was like no can I have some water and then literally there's like Marshall's like uh looking around it's got all this beer and he's like I don't think we have any water I think it's got water in it but I sat down literally hugging everyone and then once we've stopped hugging and stopped crying um I sat down with Catherine and I said to her why do we why do we do these things and not in a when I said we not just me and her meant we everyone here but and just people who do events it was like why do we do it because I had I didn't have a sense of achievement at the end I did have a bit of a perspective on it that it was like it's just a stupid run like it doesn't matter like why does it matter like why did we why did we do that um it was interesting but the biggest sense of achievement I had was coming into checkpoint one this will be the last thing I'll say the best sensory team I had was coming into checkpoint what about 2 300 meters before checkpoint one on day three and I was like none of you [ __ ] thought I was going to be here because because I was like I was like I didn't think I was going to be here literally right so 106 people started the whole event 106 87 got to day two 56 got to day three and then 53 people finished and they said statistic if you get to the day three your chances are you're gonna finish only three people didn't and I think crikely everyone in that room knew that I was going to be one of those three you were gonna make it so I don't know who those people were what what happened what happened to them but um but yeah I was like I remember coming into that and I was like yeah I literally felt like I'd come back from the dead I was like so buoyed like the energy the um yeah the the guys filming will have that on because I'm like I'm literally like you know Frank the Tank on um uh yeah I was like I was like I'm back baby you would have liked the um they were like there was bacon and egg sandwiches there you know you offer Jacob bacon egg sandwich I'm like bacon and egg but it was no they they meant jump bacon or do you want egg and I was like both yeah both and they were okay and then it was so then it was like John red or brown sauce both but it was that feeling of it was that feeling of like I don't know how I'm here but you thank that person in front of me because like burmia and it was like if we can make one we can make the next one yeah yeah and then it would literally chip in chipping them like that and there was plenty of twists and turns along along the way so that but but generally speaking it was like follow Catherine she's about 1500 meters ahead Come On Dave come on at any time I was like yeah yeah it was uh yeah not recommended amazing let's leave it there mate well done congratulations on a fine achievement of human performance resilience and stupidity yeah I was gonna say it's none of those things until he says stupidity it wasn't it wasn't yeah I think yeah I mean it's yeah it is it is all of those things you know because I think it's all relative to to each individual and I think that's what you went in for like well you know you didn't know that when you started but going into these things as an unseasoned um Marathon athlete with no context of what you were doing like it was always probably going to be about what you were going to learn and the fact that you finished it in hard conditions um is is no joke mate so well done for that and um should be very proud of yourself for completing the ring of fire in such a fashion yeah I mean I'm glad there are so many people we met you're running along you're like is this the first time you've done it I think I've met one person that hadn't done it before everyone else it was like oh I tried last year got timed out on day two I mean I remember speaking to one on the first day sorry I'm David someone on the first day this is how this was about how stupid it was on the first day I was like oh have you done and he was like yeah there's three of us last year we got timed out of the first checkpoint on day three and I was thinking this is day one I'm like freshly kid I'm an idiot like as if you would as if you'd get to day three morning and then struggle in the morning to get to the first trip did you know yeah yeah so what I mean is that by that is like I don't have to go back and you know if you if you'd not done it it would you'd be going like oh I can see how people got because I was like why is anyone coming back but I could see how yeah um yeah I'll go back as a spectator for sure it's a wicked event um but um yeah right so we might be I'm gonna wrap this one up for today thanks Jackie for sharing all of that they're going a little bit deeper we may have a small break again so if you waited for next week's podcast and it might be a week or so but bear with us there's just a few things to navigate in our going on but we are gonna be coming back we are not going anywhere Jaco well done good stories sign us off into whenever we're going to be here next uh well I just one thing I'll say is there is um there is a successful documentary to to come out um on it so we haven't got people finished donate as well yeah people can donate you I'll put the link in the show notes um for the pesos charity for the just giving Pace thank you for everyone that's already donated tell people about it very quickly what is it so it's for uh families struggling or like dealing with the process of going through miscarriages very very important uh charity yeah so if anyone can donate that I'll put the link in the show notes um and yes the the documentary um will be out hopefully sometime in November but we'll keep an eye on sort of emails and socials for any announcements about that it'll come up because it'll be the number one recommended film on Netflix I'm excited to see it it's gonna looks great they're just massive thank you I mean I had so many messages and I didn't even look at social media for like three days it was like afterwards like so many messages and people just um wishing me good luck throughout and it was um yeah it was amazing amazing amazing to see so thank you to everyone that that did good job all right actually I sign us off we're gonna do it yeah until next time keep exploring your physical potential with your movement strength and play and don't try and do things you can't do but redefine anything impossible sort of is that isn't it but you know what I mean do it do it in a progressive approach to your training make sure you do at least half of something yeah class dismissed I need to go to parents [Music]