Peter Overzet Talks Mispriced Players, Ridiculous Parker Washington Hype

So, we are joined by someone that is really well beloved, I would hope, in the fantasy community. Over 80, no, 54,000 followers on Twitter. I didn't want to give you that much credit. >> No, it's a it's a slow burn. I'm not I don't I'm not an 80k kind of guy. Got to sit in that pocket. Yeah, >> that's Clougy. >> That's right. Yeah, >> you'll get to that point eventually, but you have made a lot of moves with uh Underdog. You do a lot of work with Underdog and then Fantasy Life as well. >> Peter Overset joining us on the show. Pete, thanks for stopping by. Give us the time. >> Excited to do it. We've been having some fun drafting and uh yeah, let's chop it up. >> Yeah, we are here actually at the Draft Nation event in Las Vegas. It's the first year that we've been doing this. What do you think of the event so far? >> It's been fun. Yeah, I didn't know what to expect just because first time having it. I've come out previously, you know, end of August, early September to do kind of high stakes drafts. So, there's part of that vibe here, which is always fun getting to do those drafts, but then having the parties and stuff and, you know, got to hang out with Austin Eckler yesterday. Tom Everett Scott was getting dunk tanked at the uh at the party. So, it's been a good time. >> Oh, okay. That's that's who it was cuz he was actually looking back at me uh yesterday at Stadium Swim. Uh I was probably a few rows back. We were sitting together and he kept on looking back. He kept on waving, right? Yeah. >> In my direction. Now, I've I wasn't born yesterday. I've been down that route. when somebody waves >> and there's somebody behind you. >> Oh, >> because I had no idea like he didn't know who I was, right? So, I'm like I I stood my ground, but he kept on waving and I was tempted. >> Did you figure out who he was actually waving at? >> No, because I feel like if I just looked behind me, I would have lost. I would have lost in that moment. So, I I stood my ground. >> So, there's a reality where he was waving at you and you actually just big timed him and you're just like, I'm not going to acknowledge this wave. >> If that's the case, >> yeah, >> Thomas, I'm so sorry. >> I'll try to smooth things over for you. I'll let him know. >> Thank you. Let let him know. Yes. Because he knows everything about me. Uh but we want to know everything about you and your content creation journey. So tell me a little bit about that. How'd you get started? >> Yeah, it it's funny. The first stuff I did in the space was uh a podcast called the Fantasy Football Comedy Hour. And I did it with some of these buddies I met doing improv comedy in Boston like 2010 to 2014. We discovered we all like fantasy football and we're like, "Hey, we should start doing comedic stuff within this this niche." We started it as a live show that we would do, but people would come to this theater and it's like they pay to see a show and they're like fantasy football comedy and we're like we should probably just do this online. And then that kind of just spun into a bunch of other opportunities. Started doing some other podcasts with Roto Viz 4 for four and then started doing my own YouTube channel and everything kind of spiraled from just starting that initial podcast. >> And what year was this? >> This would have been like 2015 1617 that I was doing that podcast uh for a while with those guys. Yeah, >> it's huge cuz I talked to Michael Fabiano about this as well where content creators cuz I started making content in 2013. I probably didn't do it full-time or really seriously until probably 2019, 2020. >> Yeah. >> Um, but I was dabbling with it, but it felt like everybody that made content starting in like 2021, 2022, I felt like co was like the big boom where everybody could just take off. Do you feel like with the fantasy football world people that have just started around that time 21 22 whereas you or fabs have been doing it for a very long time. Do you feel like in a sense you've been leapfrogged by those content creators like people >> like they just take advantage of the fancy community and they just found a way >> to get popular? Yeah. >> Whereas like you have been putting in the work for that long. >> I Yeah, I think I kind of know what you're saying. I mean, there's there's kind of different lanes of fantasy content, right? There is the kind of things that are proven, right? We know it work. If you're going to do sleeper videos, if you're going to do trade targets, you know, mustdraft players, there's there's a recipe to kind of success within the fantasy football space. And so, to your point, like you can just play that game and be like, I know what people want. I know what the algorithm is going to like, and I'm going to do that. I think for me, it's just not as interesting and as exciting. And some of the stuff I like drilling down to are the niches doing comedy, doing best baseball stuff. It's not as big as like the total addressable fantasy football market. And then you have to be more comfortable with the slow burn. Like I've grown, you know, much more slowly than if I really hammered that angle. And so ultimately it comes down to what's enjoyable for you, what's sustainable for you. And I think if you play the long game, you can really end up making the content you genuinely enjoy doing versus just being like, man, I want to make the content that I know can get the most views. >> Well, the content that is getting a lot of views right now currently prior to draft season is anybody that is hyped up on Parker Washington. Yes. Now, I dabbled with your Twitter a little bit and you have been very vocal. I don't know about you're probably high on Parker Washington. I don't know. I want to know your answer, but the hype around Parker Washington, you're very critical of that, so please explain. >> So, no, I mean, it it's basically turned into a bit like beginning of the offseason, my take on the Jags wide receivers were there's a lot of ambiguity here, right? And it's like you have essentially four guys and you have Brian Thomas who was a first- round pick. You have Travis Hunter who they took, you know, second overall. You have Jacobe Myers who they paid a ton of money in the offseason who's been awesome, you know, for almost a decade now. And then Parker Washington, who of all of those guys is the most unheralded prospect, has a very small sample size as far as breaking out late in the year last year. To me, he strikes me as the most volatile, risky selection. And so, my take basically been, I want to play it through the cheaper pieces. Like, give me Travis Hunter late. Yeah, it might not work out, but if it does hit, it's probably going to hit in a really big way just how talented he is. So, I have just kind of been bing at the Parker Washington price and then he keeps getting more and more expensive. the drum beat that I now call a gong beat because it's just like symbols crashing into my head every time I log in. It is hard to ignore. And so like one of my bits has been he's been getting so expensive and I'm like I'm not taking him over guys like Christian Watson and some of these other solid guys in the middle of the fifth, Mike Evans, Devonte Adams. It's like am I really going to take Parker Washington over these future Hall of Famers? So I've had to capitulate a little bit. I'm going to sprinkle in some Parker Washington, but I got to draw the line somewhere and I'm not taking him over those guys. That actually leads me to the next question is in the past have you been this critical about certain players and you actually ended up being correct because I know there's a lot of fantasy analysts that uh fantasy receipts is a thing. Yeah. >> Uh and they're saying oh you know own up to your mistakes which I don't know if you do maybe you do maybe you don't but uh any players that you were so critical on and it's like guys let's just calm down with this and you've actually been correct. Well, it's so funny you say that and mentioned fantasy receipts because they tried to get me and then they dunked on themselves because one of my hot takes last year was Ashen Genty was going to be a mega bust in round one and he I think it was like week four or week five. He had that one big game against the Bears and that was like his only good game of the year. So, Fantasy Receeds pulled that clip I had of it and then Genty ended up being the worst round one pick you could have made last year. And you know what? They never they never recirculated that one after that. So, uh yeah. No, I I wouldn't even consider myself uh you know a hot take artist. I'm not like trying to rage bait people with with stuff like that. I think when you play in so many leagues and baseball players do, it humbles you quickly because you draft a lot of teams, you come to respect the market in ADP and you realize that when you make those big stands, it's fun to talk about. It's fun to get engagement, but it's ultimately not how like success really plays out in fantasy with these big strong takes because you're basically saying everyone else is wrong and I know something they don't when you go out on a limb as opposed to being like, you know, he's probably valued in this range. >> Your content is centered a lot around streams doing drafts. You are probably one of the better ones out there I've seen that uh take advantage of ADP. You kind of use it as a suggestion, as a tool. >> Yeah. Who are some players that you're really high on as opposed to their ADP? I'm not just talking about Yeah. maybe just three or four picks higher, but I'm talking about those guys that are like five rounds higher. You're not going to take them five rounds higher. Probably take them up one or two. Yep. >> But who are those guys? >> Yeah, it's a good question because there is, you know, ADP is very efficient on the whole, but there's um I always use the word like there's a stickiness to it. like a lot of people who draft on underdog, where I do think is the best ADP, they've been drafting there all summer and you could argue they respect it too much like when things change. Um, and a good example to answer your question would be Chris Godwin. He's a guy I think heading into the offseason people were worried someone at his age coming off of a major injury in January, it's like I don't want to touch it. Like I don't think he's going to come back to health. I would put George KD in this same category of these two guys people are worried about. And yet where we're at with medicine and recovery with this stuff, they look like they're 100%. Everything we hear about George KD, we hear about Chris Godwin from camp. Like they're full go and their ADPs just strike me as massively mispriced. I was talking to Dwayne McFarland at Fantasy Life. He has Chris Godwin in the same tier as Terry McLaren, Devonte Adams. Those are round five picks. You can get Chris Godwin pick 80, pick 90 in a lot of these drafts. So to your point, I'm not going to take him in round five, but like anytime I see him there after pick 80, I'm I'm clicking him because I do think he's mispriced by a couple of rounds, especially with Igbuka now dealing with this toe injury. >> And it's one of those things where fantasy content creators have to have thick skin because when you're talking about draft analysis and previewing the draft, you really don't know if you're right or wrong until after the season. Yeah. And people have already made up their mind about, oh, well, this is a fall in line with like the ADP. This is ridiculous. I know that I've had that in the past. Um I was really big on Jaylen Herz in 2021. I thought he was gonna be my he was my QB4, but this was like his first season starting. Yeah. >> Um and he ended up doing fantastic. Um same thing with I think that same year Mike Williams I had him as like a round four pick. People were like, "Oh, he gets hurt a lot, so he was a round nine pick." And I was like, "Guys," and and he ended up going off. So like you kind of have to have that thick skin. Yeah. Um just kind of have to deal with it. But I don't I don't know if you get a lot of hate for that. >> You know, I think again it's kind of like you reap what you sew, right? Like if you're telling people, "Oh, this is the best pick and you're an idiot." Then they're going to come back and be like, "Hey, I'm going to hold you to that." I do I would like to think that I have a more like humility based approach to it. And I I talk a lot in terms of range of outcomes and probabilities and stuff like this where it's like, okay, say I think Chris Godwin is an awesome selection. Then you have to start really antagonizing and be like, "Okay, what about the other wide receivers going around him? is he always a 100% a better pick than Josh DS another wide receiver? And it's like no, but maybe I think you know 70% of the time he is. And but that kind of nuance, that's not how you're going to get Twitter retweets. It's not how you're going to get people going. But that's the truth of it is like we're trying to make calculated plus EV bets that if you're doing it over the course of a portfolio, a ton of drafts, it's ultimately going to work out in your favor over a long timeline. But that's kind of the push pull of drafting smart while also trying to create content that's not boring. Right? Right. If I'm constantly talking about that, it's like, just shut up and tell me who you like in the draft. So, I understand it's a constant balance. >> Yeah. Well, hey, somebody has at least noticed your content, and that is Matthew Barry. Uh, you've been able to develop a great relationship with them. Now, you're working with Fantasy Life. So, tell me about that relationship. How'd you get started with Fantasy Life? >> Yeah, you know, I I've mentioned this before. Matthew, you know, for being the biggest person in the industry, he really keeps his finger on the pulse on upand cominging talent, whether they're writers, podcasters, he really watches a lot and notices it. And then he reached out to me. I think he saw some of my Twitter posts, just kind of taking a light-hearted approach to fantasy. He had seen some of my videos. I was doing a lot of like short form videos during COVID when I had more time. And he reached out to me and was like, "Hey, I'm starting I have this email list." Cuz he had his fantasy life merch store. And he's like, "I have this email list. I kind of want to turn it into more of a content newsletter, like let's provide value and then maybe that'll actually help sell merch, etc. And so I started writing this newsletter for him coming right out of co I want to say it was 2021 now almost 5 years. And I just started writing that newsletter for him. And then he essentially was like, "All right, we're now going to build a company around this because I have this email list with a half million subscribers. Let's start making more content." and he formed this company and obviously we now have CEOs and producers and it's become this this really big enterprise and one of the you know the best sites in the space. But yeah, and I still have the same role that I did back then. I write the newsletter 5 days a week and uh I I really really enjoy it. >> And do you work for Underdog or they just sponsor you? Is that a conflict of interest with Underdog? >> No. No, there's no conflict of interest there. It's it's a contractor uh position. Yeah. Like I'm not a full-time employee, just an influencer for Underdog. And similar to Fantasy Life, I was the first streamer that Underdog partnered with, I was talking to them before they even even officially launched cuz there was a transition period from when they had acquired Draft, sold that to FanDuel, and then they waited a year and were able to spin up uh Underdog. And so, yeah, I go way back with those guys. And it's been really nice the fact that I get to draft on Underdog. And then I often talk about Underdog on Fantasy Life. Like I think the best ball market is one of the best ways to talk about current movements. Hey, where are players going? It's like a real-time stock market. And so I think there's been really nice synergies there between, you know, my two biggest partnerships. >> Sounds like you're really happy and content with where you are right now. But if you had to pick some future goals that you have in your career, what would they be? >> Yeah, man. It's a good question. It's it's one of those things in life where you're like you always want to be thankful and content with what you have, but you also don't want to settle and you want to you want to get better with things. So, I would say one of the things I've thinking about a lot lately is how do I up the production value on my streams? There's an element I ask myself of why shouldn't someone just listen to this as a podcast? You know, what am I going to actually do visually that makes you want to sit and watch this like appointment TV? And so I think with how good AI is getting with being able to spin up web apps and overlays and different views and stuff, I really want to devote more time into making my streams feel like a production and not just like something where you turn on the camera and it's more of kind of a throwaway thing. I want it to feel like an event. >> Yeah. And we'll talk about the production. I know you got to get to the draft pretty soon. So um but that production we talked a little bit on Friday night or maybe it was Thursday night. Thursday. Uh, I mentioned So You Think You Can Tell, which So You Can Think You Tell for You guys, uh, it is a reality show, fantasy show that was done in the offseason try to find out of 135 fantasy analysts, up and cominging riders, whoever, like who is the last person remaining. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I loved it. I thought it was awesome. I thought it was a great idea. I've thought of and I mentioned it to you but I want to mention on camera in case Matthew Barry sees this which he's not going to but you know Matthew >> listen to this idea cuz you are all about guillotine leagues and chop leagues reality TV show during the season 17 weeks one person gets eliminated every week cuz in a reality TV show the suspense and the drama behind it is somebody gets eliminated every week and chop leagues >> uh guilline leagues like that is the perfect format. So listen, if this interview looks professional, we got the production quality. We can make it happen. Let's talk business. >> No, I I love it. And it's funny, too, because there's some massive uh creator leagues in the space. The Mason Dodd Fantasy Flock League, the Nick BDGE, Your Idiot League. There's such um a massive amount of interest in those leagues. I agree with you. The guillotine format, which I think's the fastest growing, most interesting reddraft format we have going right now. you have the built-in drama of someone's going home each week. It's an interesting dilemma from like a character development standpoint, right? Because say you do get, think of the flock league, they got Jinx, right? One of the biggest streamers in the world. Imagine if Jinxy loses week one in the guillotine league and he goes home. Well, one, that episode would go crazy because everybody be like, "Holy crap." But then you don't have Jinxy for the rest of the season. So, there is an element of that. So, I understand why those guys haven't wanted to go to the Guillotine League, but I kind of like it. like raise the stakes and you know if you lose a big creator or a big name off the rip, it is what it is. You got to live with it. Yeah. >> Let's go all out for 17 weeks. Let's like rent a mansion in LA. You know, have people just live there >> now. Yeah. There you go. Now you're talking. >> We definitely have the budget for that. Absolutely. Uh last thing I got for you. So what I've been doing is everybody that's been joining us for this interview, I've been doing a 12 team half PPR mock draft. Okay. Where everybody picks one person. >> Yeah. So, we have gotten down to the seventh round now. So, we're at the 701. >> Yep. >> Uh Austin Eckler started us off and he threw us a curveball. He got Chris McAffrey. >> Okay. >> First, >> this is what we're working with right now. This is on sleeper. So, you can Yeah. >> Look at the team and whatever. So, I want you to make your selection with the 701. Who do you >> So, we got CMC, then we go Neighbors, Pickkins, Burden, Tyler Warren. Ooh, that's a little bit of a reach on JK Dobbins there. >> Uh Lawrence. Uh, come on, Lawrence. Um, so what's so funny here is, uh, did I see is Parker Washington? So, Parker Washington is a very good pick at this range of the draft, but I look at this team and I think we need to get another running back with neighbors pickings Burden. I kind of like our start there. I am I'm torn here between Parker Washington, which is hilarious considering how we started out this interview, and Raandre Stevenson. But I'm going to go Raandre Stevenson for us here. I think Raandre should be going ahead of Trevian Henderson in drafts. The team has made it basically very clear at this point. He's our lead back. We're going to do what we did last year, which is Raandre is the lead back. We're all excited about Henderson because what he did when Raandre was out, but they're saying Henderson hasn't had a good camp. He's still struggling in pass protection. He just doesn't do the things that Vrabel wants out of this offense. And I think the Patriots are going to be improved this year. They're going to score a ton of points. Raandre is going to be that guy at the goal line. I think you can make the case he should be going where DeAndre Swift's going, where some of these other lead backs in committees on good offenses are. He strikes me as a massive value where we just got him. >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you need running back depth cuz we kind of punted on that. Um, so now whoever the next person is, I'm not going to give any insight. Um, so >> tell him to tell him to drop Parker Washington. I'm on board at this price. >> Oh, Parker Washington went with the very next pick actually. So, I know but uh we'll give we'll give no insight. We'll just let them. It's it's their problem now. So, >> that's right. Hopefully, we'll have the best team. Well, Pete, thank you so much for the time. Best of luck in the future and uh yeah, I'll definitely be keeping out for your stuff. >> Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. >> Thank you.