Patrick Bet David grades Trumps INSANE first 6 months | Tom Bilyeu

Uh, I want to talk about Trump. What's your report card on him? How is he doing? Okay. So, uh, here's what Trump's done, which is both admirable and it is the reason why they had the biggest fumble they've had thus far. And it's not big, it's massive. So, um, Trump as a project manager, you know, typically if you measure a great project manager, maybe they can manage five to seven projects at the same time. Deadline, hey, boom, map it out, okay. By December 31st, we need this. By January 7th, we need this. By, you know, February 17th, we need this. And ta-da-da-da-da, and it just kind of goes. If you've done it before, you've seen it, you've seen it probably a million times. And and and now bring it to a small business that's doing five to 20 million a year, maybe 100 million a year. Now go, how many projects are they managing? Tariffs with 150 plus countries that they're managing, all the negotiation. What's the bandwidth of Luttig to do it? Besson to do it? Oh my god, travel, all the deals that they're doing. Then you have DHS, then you have, uh, uh, HHS, then you have, what, the CIA trying to clean the house with what's going on there. Then you have Bongino, then you have Kash Patel, then you have Pam Bondi, then you have borders, then you have Tom Homan, then you have, you know, ICE, then you want to deport all these guys and the numbers you're trying to do and how tough it is to do that. Then you're trying to pass the big beautiful bill, then you're trying to do DOJ, then you're trying to get all these guys that are coming in. Then you try He has so many things that they're hitting at the same time. He's trying to do in six months what two presidents do in four administrations, meaning in two terms each, 16 years. They've been trying to do that in six six months. So, high level of admiration to take on that much. What's the problem with that? When you try to go at that pace, you can't get everybody to communicate with each other to be on the same page when you go publicly, okay? Uh border crossings lowest it's been record-breaking safer, okay, but all the people that are in trying to get rid of them, you see what's going on with publicity on TV. ISIS this unfair look what they're doing all the crying videos the average person sister melts and even if they voted for it like oh my God, I don't want to see that I can't what a cold-hearted administration that they have so easy for media to run with that. And he told you my number one is immigration. I'm going to be doing this, right? Russia oh peace on day one. That didn't happen. Putin's not working with them. So that's very difficult on what's going on with him and Putin and he's just calling out Putin. Zelensky took a minute to get the minerals deal and right now they're still the other day he announced that they're going to give him weapons to fight against Russia cuz people are dying. Israel Iran that one week that was the first time I ever sensed an element of hesitancy and weakness from the president while he walked up with JD Vance and Rubio and I think it was exit while he came up and he says we just dropped this and our B2 B52 they're they're on the way back when they had gone from Missouri the other way to confuse everybody, but you could tell, you know, may may may God may God bless us and may God and you heard his voice crack. I've never seen his voice crack. You can tell that's probably the moment where he had the highest level of pressure as a leader. I watched him very closely over and over and over again. And then you have this Epstein thing which Epstein to me is probably the number one issue for mega voters on X. It's not the number one issue for mega voters or Trump supporters, but it's the number one issue or the top three issue for mega voters on X. Epstein the way they fumble that is embarrassing. Whether Pam Bondi getting up there oh my God, let me tell you what we found and then Bongino rumor has it he may be stepping down because he's having problems working with literally the word just came out couple hours before you and I went live and I walked into the meeting with you. And yeah, Bongino may be stepping down. And you know, >> Interesting. Yeah, so Is there any reason why? I I don't know. I'm sure we'll find out the story of it, but this was a uh reports are rift between Bongino and Pam Bondi 3 hours ago. >> Uh-oh. So, who knows whether this is true or not, but it's trending, okay? Uh people are saying major respect if Bongino actually steps down from the FBI for the handling of Epstein files. I kind of agree because it's been very, very bad. It's been embarrassing. You can't tell us all these decades we've had documentation on this guy and then now you want to tell us that no, nothing happened. Sorry, just kidding. I'm I'm sorry, bro. Uh you can't do that. So, the level of mishandling of that and then today they came out and they said out of the 300,000 children that were missing, President Trump just announced 2 hours ago that they found 10,000 of the kids. They still 290 left, so they're trying to kind of find a way to, you know, really make up for And And the one thing I know about President Trump for a fact, you know who he is, my opinion, Tom. He's a guy that watches everything. Mhm. You know how there's a guy that's like doesn't watch everything? It's like, "Oh, what happened? Oh, okay." This guy watches everything. He watches CNN. He watches Fox. He watches CBS. He watches ABC. He watches podcasts. He watches X. He watches everything. And the way he works is, my opinion, he watches and he says, "Oh, that guy's full of [ __ ] Yeah, well, he'll attack him." Because it's just defamation and negativity and And then he'll watch this guy and he'll watch this guy and he says, "No, that guy's very fair and reasonable. Why is he saying this?" So, the three people I respect the most that seem to be the most reasonable disagree with me. We effed up. Hey guys, bomb, adjust >> immediately. That's how he goes. And here's what happened. This is the reality of it. This is going to pass in the next 2 to 4 weeks, 6 weeks. There's going to be massive victory with tariffs with China or India. The tariffs revenue is going to go from 100 billion to 200 billion to 300 billion. Unemployment's going to go down, income's going to go up, markets going to go up, S&P's going to go up. Next year is going to be the 250th year anniversary. World Cup's going to be here. Next year is going to turn 80 years old and everyone's going to move on. But what did Epstein think? I think he lost 2%. Permanently lost 2%. Not 20% temporarily lost 20%. That 20% 18 of it will come back. 2% is not coming back. That was a very bad mishandling of things that they did. So, if I give him a score right now for the first 6 months, it's a B. It was a C- 6 weeks ago, 8 weeks ago. It's a B right now. But that A that B can be an A- A, you know, in no time if this China tariff gets locked in, if this India tariff gets locked in, if the Panama Canal, which is very important to me, gets locked in. If the tariff gets locked in or if we come to some sort of deal. >> Trade agreement with China. And the main one is China. It's China and India. It's really the main ones I'm interested in. Everything else is for show. But if he's able to do that and increase revenue for us, give me a break. It's a big victory. What do you think the odds are? I've heard so many uh like Chinese official accounts being like, "Guys, listen. We are not giving you the time of day. You don't know how to handle us. Uh you think we're weaker than we are. We've been migrating away from the US for years. Uh this just isn't a big problem for us." Yeah. So, yes. So, to them they're long-term thinkers and they're only thinking 3 and 1/2 more years. What's a twist? China, you know, we do 40-year business plan. America does 4 years. Who gives a [ __ ] Let them he's going to be out and we're going to have to deal with Vance or, you know, Newsom or Pritzker or whoever's going to be the next guy that's going to come in, right? That's how they look at it. But, if there is ever been a BMF that knows how to play the dark game of negotiation and be nasty, it's him. What levers does he have right now? I don't know. I don't know what the levers are. I don't know if Taiwan is a big enough of a lever. I don't know if getting the minerals deal from outside is a big enough of a lever. I don't know if Apple leaving and making 60 million iPhones in India instead of China is a big enough of a lever. I don't know what's the big enough of a lever to move them. But, he needs some levers. That's why to us um Panama Canal is very important, very, cuz right now CK Hutchinson owns it. And that's a Chinese-based company, and there's no way they're going to let them sell that to us. The main ports, there's two ports that we got to get. There's no way they're going to If they do, I think that's a very bad move on China's end. I hope they do. I hope they don't watch this podcast. I hope they're not watching what we're talking about. Because if we get that, that that changes the game on this side, cuz we now have control. So, that's a lever. I don't know how many levers America has, except for the fact that we're a great customer. What other levers do we have? Manufacturing? No. What levers do we have? Strong dollar? Yes. It's not getting that much stronger like we have the BRICS the other day's announcing that they're coming together. So, Trump is thinking about adding additional tariffs. So, he already announced couple of them. All I'm thinking about is the levers. But, I trust one guy. To me, he's the MVP. That I'm loving this guy. My favorite guy so far in the entire administration is Scott Bessent. I'm a big fan of Bessent. Bessent is a Whatever happened with him and Musk, I don't know what happened. Everything we say is speculation. Only five, 10 people know what happened who were in the room. But, something happened. You don't get a black eye like that accidentally. Yeah. But, Bessent may end up replacing Jerome Powell. Bessent may be the guy that can do the deal with China. Because, remember what Bessent's background is. This is the one thing most people don't know about. You know what Bessent did before he became He used to be with the Soros. Yeah. And he worked for Soros. >> back of the Bank of England. >> That's right. And he worked there, left, came back, became the chief investment officer of Soros. And who does Soros do business with? A lot of countries. So, Bessent has already been trained how to do that. And he knows culture. If you see how Bessent speaks, Bessent speaks like this. Latnick speaks like a salesperson. Have you heard how Latnick speaks? Oh, yeah. He's hilarious. >> like a funny, exciting But, Bessent speaks >> Why do you think they've sidelined him? He's gone, like poof, gone. Haven't seen him in ages. Look, man, when you have a job like that, you have to realize you can't be my opinion. You can't be bragging about things getting done that you're doing it. Even in smaller circles. Can't do it. You can't do it. To me, I get a feeling he is extremely ambitious himself. He's a three and a half billion dollar guy. You don't become a three and a half billion dollar guy without But, Bessent is the right player right now that he doesn't need it. Yeah. >> And And And if I'm Trump, Bessent is more useful publicly than Latnick is today. Latnick was useful when we were campaigning to win. Bessent wasn't useful then. Bessent is useful in now cuz we're in. Mhm. So, I needed somebody that was marketing in June of last year, August of last year. Bessent wasn't marketing. Bessent didn't win any votes. But, Bessent's winning votes today. Yeah. In a big way. I agree. >> Yeah. Um when you think about that 2% that Trump lost with the fumble, You think that goes to Elon's America party? Mhm. Yeah, for sure. How do you think the America party's going to play out? Is it going to be a spoiler, or is it really something there? >> You know what's Elon Musk's most important tweet that nobody looked at? Mhm. Most important tweet tweet that every It only got 16,000 likes. It's maybe the most important tweet he's ever tweeted out, ever. Ever. I'm literally in suspense. Bro, ever. Ever. I'll show you. So, Gabe Gutierrez put something at the top. Elon Musk message to GOP lawmakers concerning whether to side with real Trump or Elon Musk. And Elon Musk put this tweet. Trump has 3 and 1/2 years left as a president. Mhm. But I will be I will be around for 40 plus years. >> Yeah. There's never been a more powerful tweet by Elon Musk than this. He revealed his hand. He should have never tweeted that out. >> Mhm. You know what he showed? He showed, "Okay, make fun of me, say whatever you want, talk [ __ ] about me. I'm worth $360 billion. And Monday, when Tesla lost $80 billion, 70, $80 billion in a day, Elon only lost $15 billion. $15 billion may be a lot of money to a lot of people, not to a guy that was worth $375 billion, and now he's worth $360 billion. And he's got a few hundred million followers. He ain't going to wait. There's certain people in life that when you offend, you have to know it's a permanent offense. >> Mhm. It's not a six-year six-month sentence. It's not a 12-month sentence. It's not a 36-month sentence. You offended the guy, that's a permanent life sentence. He's coming for your throat, and he's never going to slow down. Yeah. That's Musk. So, I think Musk, you know, for him to create a third party, there's only one thing Musk has that drives him insane. And here's what the problem he has, my opinion, is So, he starts America party. When's the last time somebody at that level started America party, you know, you come up with their own party with their own party that did well? Forget Andrew Yang, good guy, but obviously he doesn't have that kind of influence. Ross Perot, '92 he runs for to be president. He's the reason why George Bush Sr. doesn't get reelected for a second term. He didn't want to talk him out of it in his documentary. He was at 18.7%. Three years later, he starts a party called the Reform Party. Then he runs again in '96. In '92, as he's running it as an independent, he got 18.7% people. >> Wow. But in '96 when he ran as Reform, he only got 8.4%. >> Mhm. And then Reform, Patrick Buchanan, there was a fall out. No one ever talked about the Reform Party. It's gone, right? Yeah, he needs this many signatures with this state, with that state, with this state. I'm going to start off with Senate and Congress and all this stuff. Maybe later on we'll consider somebody as a president. Okay, great. You spent $270 million, you helped Trump get elected, and you helped Pennsylvania. No problem. Whoever you choose as a president, how the hell are you sure that they're going to do everything they told you they're going to do? Mhm. What do they owe you? Nothing. The only way to be a real puppet master, Tom, is you have to have blackmail on the individual. So, the only thing Musk can really do to control the candidate that's going to do 100% of what he wants him to do, is he can only choose people that he has dark blackmail [ __ ] on them. Cuz he can never be president in America based on the current laws. >> That's Elon Musk. That's his biggest hurdle. So, that's probably driving him insane. Hate to say it. His business model, if he really wants to become the puppet master that he wants to become, he needs people that are blackmail. Yikes. Yeah. Speaking of blackmail, do you have a take on the Epstein file? Like what's going on? Is somebody on it? Is it being used? >> I mean look if when when you become a person that's working in the CIA or you go and work in the government or you're high-level military type of people, you think you do everything by the books? Mhm. You think the movie as great of a scene as it is in uh you know, A Few Good Men. You think, you know, you want to know the truth, you know, code red? You don't think code reds exist in the CIA? You don't think code reds exist in the FBI? Maybe not code red, maybe it's a different name that they call it, right? You don't think that kind of stuff happens? You You don't think any of that stuff happened? I had a CIA agent, the guy that got arrested and he was indicted. FBI went after him. He was the first whistleblower that came out and talked about the waterboarding program that they had, John Kiriakou. And he did 23 months in jail. Well, He was on the podcast this Wednesday. We had him on. And he said when the Mossad agents would come to CIA, they would always give us gifts. And we would tell them, "Why are you bringing gifts?" He says, "Every time they give us gifts, they were always bugged." Every gift every He says, "Every Mossad agent ever came to us, they always came with a gift." And we would open a gift and like, "What are you doing? We know you're trying to bug us." He says, "Well, we thought we'd get away with it." So, think about the natural when Intel works with Intel. Yeah. >> MI6 comes, "Hey, that's a nice iPad." Boom. Something you'll never see another listen to your conversation. Hey, you don't think this kind of stuff happens? So, they all have stuff on each other. So, I think they're all so guilty by having so much [ __ ] on each other that I think all the Intel agencies are one Intel agency. Mhm. They're like, "Oh, really? Oh, you want to release that? Oh, guys." He said he he wants someone to release the Epstein stuff. This guy's so funny. Hang on, let me call up MI6. You will not believe what Pam just said. That they Cash just said on a podcast, "Hey, go ahead and release it, buddy." Go ahead. Let me show you. Boom. They're all on the same team. Once you have dirt on me, I have dirt on you. And both of us know the dirt on each other. Today, it's so funny. A guy came in was my biggest enemy in insurance. For good 5 years. We're now such good friends. It's so funny. But we wanted to kill each other for 5 years. And when I tell you kill each other, like we would Everybody knew if we're in the same room, we're probably going to fight, okay? And he's here. You know, I'm telling story. I said, "You remember that one time you did that?" He said, "What I do?" I said, "Don't don't freaking [ __ ] me now." And he starts laughing his ass off. I'm like, "That was dirty, but I know why you did it." I said, "You remember this?" And we're going back and forth with the story. We're laughing our asses off, right? Now, that listen, he's a multi-nine figure guy. He sold his business did very well, and I'm doing good as well. But as you move up and you get to certain levels, no one's innocent in government. Relax. There is the TV stuff, and all this podcast people like us, we give our own opinions as if we know what the hell is going on, and we act all our audience like, "Oh my god, I like what these And then there's a legit [ __ ] that happens. Yeah, of course they're holding people hostage. Of course they have intel on each other. Of course they have intel on some of the biggest world leaders. Of course they have intel on some of the biggest billionaires. Of course they have intel on some of the most interesting people in every single You think they're going to give that you Oh, Diddy's going to go to jail? No, he's not. I said he's going to be O.J. Simpson way before he became O.J. I said it on a podcast a while back. He ain't going nowhere. You know all those things that he has? Who's going to let those guys go down? Who? Endeavor? WME? CAA? Who? No. They're going to let those 18 billion dollars of revenue and sponsorship and No, they're not going to let that go away. No way. It's a lot of people that would be affected by it. No. But this this was a fumble. It's a massive fumble. And they could have released it in a different way. And some of us who you know, we understand how nasty things can be on the inside, we would say like, "Okay, that's probably what they're doing." But at least don't come out and say, "Oh, wait till you see what we're going to drop. Oh, wait till you see it. Oh my god." So, "Oh my god, you're going to release it. Oh my god, you're going to release it." So, "Wait till you Oh, there's nothing. We're not releasing It's like you're hanging out with your girl or your wife. You foreplay 14, 15, 20, 30, 40 minutes and like, "All right, I'm going to go watch a movie." What happens when you do that sexually with your partner? In the middle of you're about to start getting into action, "I'm going to go watch Netflix." "Babe, what are you talking about?" That's it. I just wanted to foreplay. Yeah, even worse. They were like, "You should go out with me because I'm going to be so good in that moment. It's going to be incredible." And then you go watch Netflix. Yeah, it was literally absurd. [ __ ] show. But as a leader who's a street guy who understands that the process of making sausage, you know this, it's nasty. Right? It's nasty. So, even yesterday when you were talking about when you guys are building Quest, Quest, and you're like, "Yeah, you know, most people think I'm nice guy, but to run the company in the streets, I'm not that at all. What we had to do and blah blah blah blah." Yeah. I mean, startup mentality is can't describe it some. You either experience startup mentality or you haven't. These guys are trying to do 600 projects at the same time, Tom. Think about the amount of stress they have working there. Like, when's the last time he saw his grandkids? When's the last time he went out had dinner with Imagine you're one of the guys working for him. You're like road or you're also when are you going to come see the kids? The kids You know, such and such had a breakup. He just had this. His girlfriend did this. His wife, you know, your granddaughter just did this. Oh my god, babe, I'm in I'm in Israel. Oh my god, I'm in Ukraine. Who wants that life? It's a very chaotic life and they have a lot of pressure right now. A lot. Yeah, no doubt. We will return to the show in a second, but first let's talk about getting the basics right. Take underwear, something you wear, hopefully every single day. Most companies can't even nail the fundamentals. The fabric falls apart, the fit is often horrible, the construction is cheap. Most brands treat it like an afterthought. Skims actually got it right. You'll feel the difference the moment you touch the fabric. Soft but substantial, the kind of material that doesn't thin out after a few washes. The construction is thoughtful, seams that don't dig in, waistbands that don't roll, cuts that actually follow the shape of your body instead of fighting against it. Most brands pick one thing to focus on, comfort or durability or fit. 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Now, the leading mayoral candidate is a 33-year-old, 34-year-old man, uh Zohran Mamdani, who is right now leading New York City for the mayoral race. He's at number one right now with 34%. Number two is Cuomo, who he beat on the Democratic side, but he hasn't dropped out yet. Then you have uh uh uh at third, Republican candidate. And the existing mayor right now is at 11%. The messaging that's resonating with the audience that is wanting to vote for someone like that to win is a man who has been set on video that his goal is to seize the means of production. The seizing of to seize the means of production was only written by an economist named Karl Marx who that was his messaging, right? And you're not only saying that in a city like Chaz, Oregon. You're not saying that in Chicago. You're not You're saying that in New York City. This is like the Mecca of business and capitalism. But he's getting traction. Why is that? So then when you look at on some of the positions he's taken for cops where he said, you know, 5 years ago, you know, cops are the equivalent of, you know, the most racist people that we have in America and we need to defund them and this is enough. And then you look at New York City back in 2000 compared to today, in 2000 New York City had 40,000 full-time NYPD police officers. Today there are 32,000. Oh. So it's dropped by 20%. The population has increased by 500,000 in the last 25 years. So you have a bigger population, but you've lost cops by 20%. It's not as safe as it used to be in the past before. And then you're getting somebody that's coming in that's against it at the same time while they have a record-breaking most NYPD's just announced they're retiring this year compared to last year, 1,555 are retiring and they're just calling it quits, I'm out of here. Last year was 1,069. So it went from 1,069 last year, give or take, to 1,555 this year. And so these ideas that you look at and we never think it's going to happen to city like New York. If you go back 80 years ago, 70 years ago, Detroit was where the richest people in the world lived. Per capita was known as the richest if not top three. And nobody thought anything was going to happen to Detroit. Bad policies destroyed the entire place. So, I think when you get a guy that's pitching socialism, communism in the capital of capitalism and it's resonating where they want him to be, possibly the mayor of the town, you have to be paying very close attention to it. This concept of new generation that's coming up, the new kids that are coming up. We had this conversation last night about Gen Z's. Maybe a little bit tougher where they can kind of do something about it. But for me, it's amazing that after all these decades of us seeing that communism doesn't work, socialism doesn't work, that idea is resonating down in the number one city with the most capitalist billionaires. Very weird. Very weird. Why do you think this moment makes probably mostly millennials open to the idea? Um you know, it's it's it's a it's a love affair, it's a romance. It's the idea where, you know, when I was a kid, my parents got a divorce. I'll never forget that every night I would see at 8:15 my dad would walk up her stairs and I knew he was there. So, I I romanticized with my mother and my father being together, okay? And it's this idea of, "Oh my god, one day again they can be married together." You know, every year as a boy, I was like, "No, this is going to be the year. They're going to come together. No, they're going to come together." And you're like, "Is that even a good idea?" I don't think it is. I don't think it's a good idea for this to be taking place. And this young girl who went viral last week, who used to be a staffer for AOC that helped AOC win when she was 26, she's now 33, 34 years old. She says this fantasy of being able to help people out and these rich people are bad people and she starts breaking things down saying, "If there's no incentive, why would somebody keep making the apartments better? If there's no incentive, why would somebody make the place better?" Like I'm asking a question for New York City. Do you know in New York City how long it takes to get a permit? Two to five years to get a permit. It's the worst city to get permits. So imagine if you and I want to build a building and we have some money we want to deploy and we want to get get out there and finish a project. You're sitting there waiting 18 months on a permit, 24 months on a permit. The permits needs to go. One of the biggest, most important qualities of a city that expands like Austin, permits goes like this. Houston is six months. Austin is six to 12 months. New York is two years to five years. That's insane. So >> when you watch some of these ideas and the newer generation, the younger ones, no, I think we're going to do it better. I think we're going to do it right. And then it takes five to 10 years to see what happens there. But for me with New York, that's kind of confusing. Is after COVID that happened, two cities, two states lost the most money. And we know this number, you and I have talked about this. New York lost a trillion dollars of wealth under management. California lost a trillion dollars. Californians went to Texas. New Yorkers went to Florida, okay? And now in Florida when we running into a bunch of different people, these are New Yorkers. So a lot of those job creators that left phase one, they left to come down here. If this guy gets elected in in in in New York, Ryan Serhant, who is one of the bigger realtors, you know, the guy that sells 100 to 200 million dollar homes, he says the moment the momentum was announced that he beat he beat Cuomo, all my clients are calling me telling me we're either moving to the Hamptons or we're moving to Miami or Florida. Look for a house for us. >> Yeah. Yeah. Pause those deals, yes. It's crazy. So to me when I look at this, it is an echo of the economy. When people they can feel that something is wrong, but they don't know what the physics of money are, so they have no idea how the economy has left them in this situation. But if they can't afford housing and inflation is robbing them of their buying power and so many of them have gone into a tremendous amount of college debt, I get how we end up here, but there is a quote that always scares me that this generation does not understand, which is that the miracle is not redistribution, the miracle is the creating of the capital. And I think it was Musk that said, uh once you realize that an a successful company is a company that can create something that outputs something more valuable than the inputs. And it's like that is a miracle. But I think today people are so blind to how economics works that they don't even understand that the government doesn't make money. The government takes money from the makers who create these machines that output something more valuable than the inputs, and then they employ people, and then the government swoops in and taxes those people. And so every time I hear solutions where it's like in some way going to unduly encumber those people, I'm like, uh they'll leave as history shows that they will. That makes sense, right? But the But to me, some of the stuff that keeps you know, patterns coming back up. My son right now is is at a camp for a few weeks. Uh last night he calls me. We haven't spoken for 4 or 5 days. And I talked to him. I'm like, "So, how you doing?" He says, "Oh my god, Dad, I am so excited. Let me tell you all these kids I'm meeting da da da da da." And he's kind of going through the pri- And I'm remembering the first time I'm away from my family and how this is my chance to show up to my dad that >> Right. >> guess what? I can hang. I can do my thing. And and you're letting him go through it. But now, as they're going through this process, he's also going to go have to figure certain things out on his own. Unfortunately, every generation, even though we understand capitalism in a different way, they're going to go through it. Every time we have babies, this next generation, they're always going to start off as being socialist or communist or coming from a place of rich people are bad. Why? The greatest monopoly we have in America today that still hasn't been addressed, it's the biggest monopoly. It's the biggest monopoly and regulators can't do [ __ ] about it. For every one pro-capitalist, pro-conservative professor in school, there's 13 that are on the opposite side. >> Yeah. For every one, so you got 13 to one. Typically, when AT&T went through the monopoly law or they were looking at Facebook to kind of trying to break them apart or Google or some of these companies in the past, you get to the 50-55% number where you have the market share. Like Apple is floating like smartphone, they're floating, right? With that monopoly that they have. What do you think's going to happen when we send our four kids, our two kids, or three kids to go to school for four years to be around people that hate billionaires? >> Mhm. That can't stand rich people. That don't believe in what they believe in. And the books they recommend to the kids are Communist Manifesto. And they're teaching that to your kids. And then you're around other kids who either have bought into it or they're about to be bought into it. What do you think's going to happen when they're in that environment? I mean, we keep sending our kids to the same place to get brainwashed to come back and hate their parents for a few years and then go back to it again. I I can't say how many of my executives, they lose their daughter or son. They send them to school for 250. They come back hating capitalism. They don't want to be around mommy and daddy cuz they're like, "I cannot believe you voted for that guy. I cannot believe you did this. All you care about is money. I'm going to go and work for UNICEF. I'm going to go and work for this." And then you lose your kid for five, six, seven years. And then they show back up. You're like, "Why did I spend $200,000 that I worked my ass off for this kid to go to school to come back hating me? Like, for example, if I see your employees and you're not around, I come to your place. My job is to say, "Listen, you guys are lucky to work with Tom Bilyeu. Mhm. Let me tell you why. Do you know this is a guy that's a relentless guy? Do you know how important it is to work with somebody that's got a big vision they're pursuing? You You why that's important? Because when you work with somebody else, you know he's not going to be slowing down. And you know he's fully committed. You guys are lucky. Learn as much as you can, okay? Because as it gets bigger, you're not going to have as much time. Now, let's flip the script. You ready? You're not a runner. Come talk to your employees. Why would you guys work for him? You know he gets all the money and the accolades and credit. You guys get nothing. Why are you guys doing this? What's this all about? He's using you guys. That's what they're doing in school. >> Nonstop. Who the hell thinks that's a good idea? So So to me, a part of why this is happening, you got me thinking, is parents are still subscribing to the old way of what it is that we want our kids to do to be successful, and we are responsible for continuously repeating this pattern. Until somebody puts a stop to it, it's going to continue happening. Yeah, and I think it happens largely invisibly to the vast majority of the public, but if the whole idea of the long march to the institutions is sort of one of the ultimate conspiracy theories, that whatever the French back in the '40s, '50s decided this is how we're going to do it. We're going to take over these institutions. They did it. It spread to America. It happened here as well. It's uh Thomas Sowell, I think sums this up pretty well, that the last 30 years, though he said this 20 years ago, so the last 50 years have been marked by exchanging what works for what sounds good. And because it sounds good, especially if you're young and emotive and you're just wearing your emotions on your sleeve and you want to matter, uh all these ideas sound phenomenal. The bad news is they don't withstand the test of time. And so when a country ends up crumbling, it's far more dramatic than people realize. It happens all the time. It happens to big countries, just like America. I mean, unfortunately, history, when you look back, it is just a a never-ending stream of countries that at the time seemed impossible to fail. They fail. It's a bloodbath for a generation or two, or in the case of Argentina, 100 years of essentially being in the economic hinterlands. And so it's These ideas have consequences and they definitely play out very poorly. And I think the next 10 years for us in America a different phenomenon, but there's going to be something that plays out that's going to force America to decide who are we? What are we willing to publicly say this is what it means to be American? And the way that we define that is going to define how well we do moving into the future. And just I'll be so curious to see if you agree. The thing that I think is going to force that test is that we are going to immigrate people into America that don't share America's core values. I mean, that's a large part of So, my beef with immigration isn't with low-wage workers. It's you didn't do anything to find out if these people share our values. Like I I love the vision of America as a nation of immigrants. But they're a nation of immigrants that over hundreds of years cuz long before we founded the company, we were still a nation of immigrants. We had we ended up building a set of ideals. And then when we founded the company, it was on a set of ideas that were already like pervasive. And now, I see this being a collision of essentially Judeo-Christian ethic versus Islam. And they've already gone so ham across Europe. And you're seeing now I saw the stats on the major cities in the Netherlands and they're like 45% 55% first or second generation immigrant. And then in Brussels, it's over 70% first or second generation immigrant. And again, I'm all for immigrants, but if you have immigrants that don't assimilate or they don't share your values, you're going you're going to end up in a tug-of-war. Yeah. So, and that's why we need guys like you to encourage your viewers to have more kids. Because we need to have more kids. And here I'm the worst guy cuz I haven't had kids. But hey, the good news is I actually do tell people it's probably the right answer. Well, we had a conversation about it last night. It was great that at the restaurant we went to. No, but you know what's so funny you're saying that. Here's how I work. For me, it's very simple. It's not that hard. When I sit down and I watch anybody that moves into any community, what happens to that community? Just kind of go through it. My chef that lives with us and and he cooks for us every day, he's a Muslim from Turkey. Now, keep in mind, I'm a Christian and I'm Armenian Assyrian. And the Armenian and Assyrian and the Greek genocide was done by his camp and he's a Muslim. You know how we get along? We're like this. We perfectly get along. When we go to Hamptons, wherever we go, he's with us. He stays at the house. He takes care of the kids. We love him, okay? However, I asked him a question one time. I said, "You got a family?" He says, "Yes." I said, "You have a choice to live in a city where it's 100% Muslim. Mixture, Sunni, Shia, you pick and choose. Another city that's 100% Jew. 100,000 people live there, they're Jewish. 100,000 Scientologists. 100% Scientologists. 100% Christian. 100,000 of them are all Christian. Where would you want to raise your kids? I said, "Give me from the highest to the lowest." He says, "Christian first." >> Whoa. Then he goes Jewish, then he goes Scientology, then he goes Muslim. >> did not see that coming. >> Me too. No, I'm telling you, me too. I I could not believe he said that. I said, "Why do you say that?" He says, "Well, most Christians, wherever they live, it's a peaceful place. I said, "Jews, wherever they live, because they're driven by money and finance and success, they're going to have to make sure their properties are good, it's safe, it's secure, thriving, good restaurants. Number three, Scientologists, wherever they live, they're also going to protect theirs. And then you have Muslims. I said, "Why wouldn't you want to be there?" He says, "Why do you think I'm in America?" I said, "This is so interesting when you think about this." This is a very raw conversation. When I say this, I get messages. I can't believe you're saying this. Oh, yeah. I'm waiting. >> Let me tell you what you're you cannot I lived in Iran for 10 and 1/2 years, and I lived it. I saw it. I lived in Tehran from 70 uh October of 1878 till July 15th of '89, I lived there. I witnessed what happened. And all the nasty that they did, "Oh my god, it's because of you know, it's really everybody that's behind it. It's really these guys and those guys and these guys." Who's behind it? Because from '41 to '79, when the Shah was in charge of Iran prior to Khomeini coming the Shah did business with Israel, no problem. Frank Sinatra went and gave one of the biggest concerts ever in Iran in 1975. >> Really? I didn't know that. The the ambassador of Iran was dating Elizabeth Taylor. Just go Google it. Type in Zahedi, Taylor. They were together. She would go to visit him there. You you look at the biggest of the names would go to Iran. You type in Iran's mountains and snow. If you type in Iran, mountain, snow, you will be blown away by what these mountains look like. Bandar Pahlavi, beautiful place. Port Pahlavi, was an incredible place that you would go to. There was no issues in the Middle East. Iran didn't start problems with anybody. There was no proxy wars of Houthis and Hamas and Hezbollah and all this other There was no Islamic Revolutionary Guard. It's funny, 6 months ago, I finally got a hold of the founder of Islamic Revolutionary Guard that started it with Khomeini. I invited him. He came here. We did a two-hour podcast together. Anybody and everybody who is from Iran was so furious the fact that I had him here. I asked him, "This is the same guy that he and his direct report killed the existing president and prime minister uh uh former president and prime minister of Iran. His reports killed the president. His report. And then they said, "No, the guy is the the killer is dead." The killer was never dead. And then he had to go to jail for it. I talked to him about it. How come Iran was at peace under the Shah? How come the Middle East was okay? Yeah, Israel was still trying to do their Mossad and all the other stuff that they were doing. But how come he got along with everybody? Why is it that if you type in a meeting that took place between Stalin, between I want to say Stalin, Churchill, and one other world leader, could have been Carter. Why is it when those three had a meeting, they had the meeting in Iran? Mhm. Out of all the And by the way, the Shah was not involved. They're having a business meeting to negotiate something that they're doing. They said, "Where do you want to meet? Let's meet in Tehran, Iran." You tell me when's the last time the leader of Germany, the leader of UK, the leader of US, the leader "Hey, yeah, let's go have a meeting in Iran." When's the last time that that hasn't happened? So so to me, what caused it? Extremism. Khomeini came in. When he came in, he brought chaos. It was a mess. And Iran's been doing that from '79 till today. You can tell me whatever you want to tell me. I I in no place am I going to sit there and agree. Just recently, a guy gets arrested and the and the father of a daughter because the father of the daughter sold his daughter to marry a man who was in his 40s, 50s. The daughter's 60 years old. Hamas finds out about it. They come back and they say, "Shame on you for selling your daughter to a man at 6 years old. You have to wait till 9 years old." Jesus. Did Did you hear what I just said? So, "Shame on you at 6 years old. 9 years old is okay." >> Right. Yeah, yeah. "My daughter's 9 years old." What do you mean 9 years old? >> That's crazy. So so to me, it's so uncomfortable talking about these types of topics. Well, we're kind of like, "Oh my god, we can't talk about that. Someone's going to slash my tires. What if they see me in the streets and they come up to me? What if somebody comes and swats me? What if I'm getting swatted? Oh my god. Are we going to keep walking on eggshells and being afraid of this kind of stuff? So, you're right. If there is a pattern, we have to ask why. This does not mean everybody. It doesn't. It doesn't mean everybody, but there is a pattern. Here's the other thing. When you work for a company, any company I work at, you go work at Microsoft, you go work at Apple, you go work at Walmart, you go work at any company, as you're going through the interview process, you're going to answer certain set of questions, background, qualification, what you bring to the table, resume, all this stuff, right? Then when I'm in, when I'm in, what's typically the first month of orientation for any company? How special we are, the history of it, this is our founder, what we've done. What are they trying to do the first month? To make you be proud of working at Walmart, to make you be proud of working at AT&T, to make you be proud of working at Bridgewater, to make you be proud of working with Dalio. Let me tell you how we what we did. To make you be proud of whatever the job is, right? Do we do that? How much of that do we do? When I joined the army, and I finished boot camp, uh I'm at an event. It's either it's I went to April 15th, I joined the army in '97. So, say there's a 4th of July ceremony. It's one of those that happens. There's thousands of people at the unit at Fort Jackson. And I'm standing, I'm watching everything, and then I'm seeing men and women cry. I'm like, damn, that's an E8 crying. That's a chief warrant officer four crying. That's an O That's a captain crying. What What's going on? They lost a friend, they lost his They lost I'm like, damn. I get to my unit. When I get to the 101st Airborne Division, the first thing they did is they said there's a movie coming out about your unit that you're going to be able to see before anybody else sees. I'm like, ah, whatever. Who cares about this unit? We go in this theater room. 600 people in the room. You know what the movie was? Saving Private Ryan. >> Wow. >> We watched the movie before anybody else saw it because it was about the 101st Airborne Division. >> Wow. By the time the movie was done, I was so proud to be part of the 101st. So, to me America needs to do a better job selling America and expecting you to love America. Yes. >> Expecting you to be proud to be an American. If we do a lousy job there, a part of it falls on us as well. Yeah. No, I agree. This is the more I read about history, the more I realize that we really have a problem. We have lost faith in who we are. And the second you lose faith in who you are, you are going to fall. I mean, this is like the most classic that countries always fall from within first. But when you present a galvanized united front, you believe, you're willing to fight, then you've got a chance. But man, there is uh I mean, some of it is just the the part of the cycle. Things have gone so well for so long that nobody's had to be tough. And because we haven't had to be tough, we can have luxury beliefs like uh we're doing bad things and there's nothing here to be proud of and the very act of doing that is going to tear it apart. Like even if you want to rewrite history and you want to say, "Okay, wait. I don't like some of these things in the past and so I'm going to create a spin that takes our eyes off of the things that I think were horrible and moves them on to the things that I want us to be proud of today." Great. Like if we want to start talking about like the civil rights movement and how we did that and the Civil War and how we stood up for slavery. Like if you've got uh "America was founded on slavery and that's horrible" message, you can give that negative version that makes everybody feel guilty or you can give the positive version and the UK has done a phenomenal job of this. We were the first ones to end slavery. And it's like, "Okay, we can feel good about that." So, even though they had slaves for God knows how long, the story they tell themselves is about ending slavery. We should be telling the same story. Like I agree, slavery was terrible. However, whatever story we tell ourselves is going to be the thing that becomes part of the national identity. It's going to be the thing that gives us the energy to either fight for who we are or to be like, "Well, I'm guilty and I feel bad anyway. So, the person that comes in with more energy, they're going to be the ones, whether I like it or not, whether I agree with their values or not, they're going to be the ones that take over. >> true. It's true. 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This has been a paid advertisement. And now, let's get back to the show. Now, the question becomes selling. Who needs to do the selling? Who are immigrants with the most when they get here? Who are the parents with the most when they get here? Who are the kids with the most when they get here? What percentage of teachers sell America? What percentage of teachers sell the greatness of America? How do they sell it? What do they sell about it? What traditions do they sell about it? What do they say about our founding fathers? Do they get up there and talk about how great Jefferson was or how great Washington was or they talking about these guys were slave owners or we're embarrassed. We have a very embarrassing past of our founding fathers and they were just all slave owners. Who the hell is going to be proud to be an American? You know, if I if I hang out with a certain group of people and they're proud of Assyrians and I go have dinner with them for 2 hours. 2 hours later I'm going to say, "You know what? I'm proud to be an Assyrian. This is a special group of people." But if I go with a group of people that all they do is bash Assyrians, I'm like, "Shit, I don't even want to tell anybody I'm an Assyrian. I don't want to tell anybody I'm an Armenian. I went to Glendale High School." No, don't talk about who comes out of Nitro's. I'm proud to say I went to Glendale High School Nitro's. John Wayne went to Glendale High School. He He did. John Wayne, it's our pride and joy, right? We don't have a John Wayne went to Glendale High School, right? But a lot of good people came out of Glendale, right? You can sell the pride. But I think a part of it is the influencers need to be influenced. And if you don't want to do it, we have to be comfortable to fire you. Hey, you don't Today, it's so funny. Guy comes in right before your name came up in a meeting and they want to do a deal with us. They're a big business now. They've done very well for themselves. They're a very well-known space in what they're doing. Great. We sit there, we talk, and he says, "You know what? You know you had an engineer that was working for your minute company and you know how much he couldn't stand what you believed in politically?" I said, "Really?" Yeah. He says, "He wasn't on your side politically. He hated what you believed in. And he used to always tell us." So I'm like, you know, of course I know who he's talking about. And he's no longer with us. You're not going to be able to stay in a place like this if you're not proud of the vision that we have. But if you're not, we got to cut you. You don't like being an American? Dude, what are you proud of? Let me tell you how great Russia is. Guess what? Here's a one-way flight. Go to Russia, bro. We will cancel your citizenship here. What would you like? Get out. Go somewhere you're proud to be. So it's either you are not proud no matter where you go cuz you're a bitter person. Let's set that aside. Number two, you've been indoctrinated to hate your country. Go find a country to be a proud of. If somebody works on my company, any one of them that they're not proud to be here, I'll ask them, are you proud to be in this company? I mean, I like my job. No, no, that's not the question. Are you proud to wear the jersey? Like I said, I like the job. I don't hate it. Where would you be proud to wear the jersey? XYZ. Can I help you get a job there? Let me help you get a job there. You would do that? I'll make the phone call right now. They're shocked. I'll make the You want me to call them right now? I'm going to call them and tell them how great you are. Who's the person? Oh my god, I can't believe we're doing this. Give me the phone. Hey, Johnny. This is Patrick Bet David. I'm the CEO and founder of I tainment. I got a guy that's very good who's with me and we'd love to keep him, but let me tell you, when I asked him what's the number one company you'd want to work for, it's yours. Would you be willing to take an interview for him? Oh, absolutely. Of course, PBD. No problem. He's coming to you. You got an interview, go. Why would I want to have somebody work here that doesn't want to be here? So, if you're in America, you're not proud to wear the hat, the red, white, and blue, go somewhere where you're going to be proud. But how do we do that because in >> do that. That's the problem. Legal immigration is complicated to do that. However, one of the things as a test where at least you push, you push, you push, you push, you push. There's the door. Well, no, no, no, I don't want to leave. Well, then guess what? Be proud. Sell America. Be proud. Start selling the goodness of what this country's done for you. We ourselves, I think all of us Does it have to be an invitation though cuz I worry if you do that one from a place of aggression, you're going to end up especially now in a populist moment, you're going to get like the bitter battles. >> No problem. What's the alternative? What is the alternative? You want to go to the alternative? Look at what's going on with UK. I know you said we're the first slave owners. Uh last year the number one name for a boy in a child in London, two years in a row, I believe. It's Muhammad. Mhm. Was that the case 10 years ago? So, what happened with them? UK's lost. UK's not going to be the UK what they were before. London used to be the financial capital of the world. Now, it's New York City. We keep thinking it's not going to happen. Mhm. And the part that we get a little bit hesitant about is we worry, what if we offend? What if we upset the mob? Like, for example, one day guy comes to me. And I said, can I have a private conversation with you? No one's ever going to know you and I had this conversation. I just want to give you some feedback if you're open to it. No problem. He comes to the office. We sit down. I said, I think you're one of the best communicators out there. Maybe better than me. You're very good communicator. I'm just telling him he's a he's a very good communicator. You know who this guy is. I said, but I got to tell you, bro. You are so bitter on the way you talk. And I sense the bitterness. And that language that you have right now is going to mess up on a lot of opportunities you could have. You got to change that language. Cuz you're not heading in the right direction. Oh my god, you know, all my numbers are up. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, okay. No problem. Tell me your numbers. Let me tell you what we're doing. I said, all right. So, say how you define a good audience. What do you mean? Do you define an audience by the number or the quality of viewership or combination? How do you define a good audience? Well, it's by the number. I don't know about that. What do you mean? I said, well, I had a guy that would send me 100 insurance policies a month of which only 20 were good. But I had to do the work of all the 100. And the other 80 was all [ __ ] He wasn't sending me the best insurance policies a month. It hurt my company's numbers, and I lost a couple insurance carriers. And then I had another guy that would send me 50 policies every month, of which 40 of them were all good and they would place. What's better quality business? The 40 on 50 or the 20 on the 100? Where are you going with this? I said, the way I judge everyone's audience is in the following way. If I take Tom Bilyeu's audience, you got millions on top of millions of followers. You got guys like a Ray Dalio who trust you. I think you're the only person he's done a podcast with four times, right? This is a $20 guy. Those guys don't go on every podcast. They go places where they feel safe with. But you've had Shanahan, you've had politics, you've had controversial figures, you've had a lot of different people. If I took your 20 million followers, whatever the number that you have, and I brought it down to 100 people, what does that room look like? My assumption, you can you're going to know it better, but I would see a bunch of professionals. I would see doers, I would see guys that are percentage is going to be probably crypto and NFT and AI. I would see probably a percentage that's going to be Marvel interest in cinema, you know, Disney like that creative side. I would see a big, you know, business side. I would see quite a few billionaires that have probably watched your podcast where we're going to be like, "Wow, there's seven billionaires in the room." And there's a Okay, what percentage is male? Okay, 82% 18. Wow, okay, a few husband and wives. That's the audience, okay? We can sit there and worry about what the mob is going to say. I want that audience. Another person you break down their audience and it's a bunch of complainers, whiners. It's his fault. It's that guy's fault. That that that low-level calibration. If you look at power versus force, our guilt, blame, you know, apathy, grief, pride, ego, anger, resentment, all of that. I don't want that following. So, do we want them to come to America? Is that what it is? Just how many people are going to come to America? We just have to say, this ain't the place for you. And we have to be comfortable talking about that. I think it's not easy for everybody. I totally get it. I'm a little bit in a different place where I broke through the mold and I said, I'm not going to stop talking about it. I'm going to talk about it and some people are not going to like it. And and trust me, it's gotten me in trouble a few times, but for us we have to realize, if we believe America is the greatest country in the world, we have to take a stand, make our case, make our argument. If you don't like us, listen, what do you like? Go. Let us make a connection for you, but this ain't a place for you. Mhm. It'll be interesting. I love all of that and I think in the abstract that's absolutely right. Where the rubber meets the road, right now we already have people at war. Uh I think we've turned a large portion of millennials against American principles like and that to me is one of the things that we have to >> do you think has? Uh to me it is the long march through the institutions. It is people that believe that um capitalism is exploitative. It is all taking, that the government should uh get the money and redistribute it as it sees fit. They don't understand capitalism literally the mechanics, the physics of how it works. Uh they have a a poisonous envy inside of them. >> How do you fight against them? Uh y- young people simply want a positive vision for their life that when they deploy it actually makes their life better. And the most dumbed-down way to say it is if you give people a set of ideas that make them feel expansive, you've got them forever. If you give them a set of ideas that makes them feel contractive, you can get them behind you, but it's just it's not going to be um you're leaning into the the bitterness and the anger so it becomes very >> of the resentment, the bitterness, the envy community you think you can you can shift their way of thinking to your way of thinking? Well, so here's the bad news. I believe you give up on adults and you focus on young people. So young people are not infinitely malleable but they're so malleable it's wise of any society to protect the inputs in their children. One big problem. >> Who influences the young people? Those adults. They're the professors, Tom. They're the teachers. They're the ones that work in HR. Yeah, yeah, no this is good. >> They're the ones that are sitting there and saying it's not fair. You know, you should let them work from home. You should let them do this. They're the soft community. Yeah. You're not going to win those people over. They are some of the most difficult people to convert into different way of thinking. It takes many, many years and from my experience the the envious, the bitter, the resentful, the entitled maybe you can convert one out of five their way of thinking. It's an 80% losing uh proposition. So for us you know, if I have let's just say I'm running a state and I send a test and I make it a requirement to find out who's proud to be an American. Who's proud of their state. Why would I want teachers who have influence over my kids to be selling hate to my kids? The current tenure system allows that to happen. Mhm. It's a catastrophic system. Correct. >> So you can't fire those So what are we supposed to do? Are we seriously supposed to just sit there and take it? Are we also supposed to sit there and think this is going to change? How is it going to change? It's not going to change. So But do we do? Kick the can to the next mayor? Kick the can to the next governor? Kick the can to the next president? That means what we're indirectly saying is, "Hey guys, we have collectively accepted the fact that America's going to fall. It's just maybe not it's going to fall the next 5 to 10 years. Probably going to fall in 30 years. Ah, that's okay. By then, who knows what's going to happen? It's going to be No, no. It's an element of standing firm today in calling out BS. And if we can't do that, like right now, you know who supported uh Mondaire Jones? Mhm. You know who he got today that supported him? The teachers' union of New York. You know how powerful they are? >> What a shock. What a shock. But how powerful are they? You know how powerful they are? >> Extremely. Extre- Are you kidding me? Like, okay. So now this guy's going to come in and flip the way of thinking, and we're sitting on the sidelines. Ah, it's okay. No, it's okay. No, I think I think there needs to be a little bit of that no, no, we're not doing that. We're standing. Here's what we're going to be doing. We're not doing that. Here's what's going to be the standard. You don't want to be here? You don't want to be here. And I think it starts with teachers. You know, it starts with professors. Starts with anybody that's going to have influence over the kids. Starts with anybody that is working Like, for example, one of the laws that I believe we need to create is in America, if you want to become a a senator, a congressman, a mayor, a governor, you have to be a choose the religion. Catholic, Christian. >> Really, you want to mandate that? Oh my god. Are you What's the >> opposed to mandate >> Let me explain to you. Really? >> Tell me the alternative. Have you been to Dearborn? Have you been to Have you been to what's going on with many cities in Minnesota? Are you seeing what's going on? >> aware of the situation. >> they believe in what we believe in? No. Do you think they believe in you know, some of the you know, values and principles that we live by? Do you think when guys like you, who are extremely smart and intelligent, you're a very logical guy. You're a March 30th baby. You're a very logical guy, right? Everything to you is very calculating and sequencing the next 10, 15, 20 steps. >> Yes. Guys like you today in America are not having kids. True. At least in my count. But by the way, when I tell you this, I'm not taking shots. I know a lot of friends that are like you. Yeah, yeah. They're not doing it. Why? On many different scales, it's probably not the right decision. On many different scales, it's a headache. On many different scales, it's I don't believe in the future. I think it's going to be chaotic and I don't want to put somebody in here that has to face with all these challenges, right? They're doing that. They're doing it at 2.9. We're doing it at 1.7. So, either you're accepting the fact that America's going to be a Muslim nation in the next 30 to 50 years, and you're fine with it, great. Or you have to realize, and by the way, maybe that's a good thing. Maybe if we look at some of the most thriving countries in the world, maybe the leading religion of that country is Muslim. Maybe that's what's made Iran so prosperous because they're so peaceful, you know, and they're so civil, and they get along with everybody, you know, and they have no sanctions, you know, the market is wide open, you know, country that should be doing two three trillion dollars of GDP per year is only doing 350 billion dollars per year. Maybe it's a very safe place to be in Yemen and and Iraq and and some of these other places. Maybe they're doing phenomenal, right? Maybe we need to go to that philosophy. Or maybe we already have the data on that, and we've seen what's happened. So, maybe we as Americans need to realize it's so not popular of an idea. What the opposition, the only way we can have the certainty to say what? No, no, no, I'm totally against that. Then guess what the only opposite message of of that is. It's only one message. I had a guy on the podcast this week. His name is Dr. Taylor Marshall. He's a former priest, uh Episcopal. Am I saying it correctly? Episcopal? Episcopal church, yeah. Episcopalian? Episcopalian, yeah. So, he went from that to being a Catholic, traditional Catholic. He's been a Catholic for 19 years. Ask him, "How many kids do you have?" He says, "Eight." He says, "Are previous marriages?" "No, eight." Really? Yeah. Why eight? I'm Catholic. It doesn't make it for me. Yeah, but what you watch what he says. I said, "How many people do you know that like how many people you know that have eight kids?" Same husband and wife. How many do you know? Yeah. Literally zero. I don't either. So, I'm sitting there like Dude, I don't know. I know you now that you got eight kids. I said, "How many do you know?" He said, "Oh, at least 30." I said, "You know 30 people?" He says, "Yeah." "Are they friends?" "Friends." "How?" Wow. I'm a traditional Catholic. Traditional Catholics, we average 4.6 kids. >> Not bad. >> So, we pulled up Catholic, it was 2.1, but traditional Catholic was 3.9 to 4.6. So, he's got eight. Okay. Unless if Tom, we are going to go on a the greatest baby-making machine run of next 30 years, where America's going to average six kids per, where we are so confident that the future looks bright cuz we're the ones having the babies, if we're not doing that, what's the alternative? The alternative is America in 30 years is going to be a majority Muslim nation in 30 to 50 years. Yeah? That's what's going to >> That's what I'm saying. The next The next 10 years >> So, what's your solution though? What's your solution? Well, so my solution is very much we have to as a nation say this is exactly what we stand for and I think the only way that that's going to be enshrined in locks. I don't think you can look back at the people that are already here. If they're here legally, we have to say immigration is a game of recruiting. We want to go out and find out the best and the brightest, the people that are what I call foreign-born Americans, people that I I literally I don't care. It may be that we import exclusively Muslims, but they're Muslims that believe in what I'll call the American way. So, they believe in freedom, they believe in uh maximizing liberty, private property, um individual sovereignty, like all the things that make America the American spirit, hard work, discipline, uh self-reliance, all the things that make America America. >> pattern where they agree with our values? No, I I would say right now the easy way to parse it is that that is a misalignment, but I'm just saying I I want to make it clear that I think this is a values question, not a color, religion, creed question. It just so happens that uh you will find some disagreement, you'll find disagreement at unusually high proportions when you just look at the religion versus religion. >> Are you convinced if we go the way we're going right now, it's just a matter of time where the Ilhan Omar, the Zoran Mamdani, all the names that we are getting right now, they're going to multiply exponentially on Christians and all the other Catholics, Jews, whatever other denom- LDS. Are you of the mindset that they're going to exponentially grow at a much faster pace than everybody else the next two to three decades? >> As of right now, yes. So, what what signs do you see that any of that could possibly slow down? What data do you see that any of that could slow down? >> I don't see data that says it's going to slow down. >> Okay, so if we know and you and I trust math, you build a billion-dollar company, and when you're building your business, when you're smaller, and you're seeing exponential growth, and then all of a sudden you go into the compounding effect, you have a room where you're like, "Guys, I think we're about to blow up." You know that feeling when you have, right? Okay. Everything points towards they're exponentially growing, and they're eventually going to be running mayors in many cities. Uh locally, they're buying any church that opens up and turning it into mosques. They're doing that in Texas with the epic center. They're doing that all over the place. Yeah. So, then how do we protect the values and principles that we know built America to the greatest country in the world in the shortest amount of time. Next year we're going to celebrate our 250th anniversary for our birthday. How do we protect that? Well, the for me, the answer is the people that are here, they're here, and that is what it is. And so, if Muslims now outbreed us, then game over. Then let them beat us. >> Yeah. For sure. >> Okay. So, you you're from the standpoint of that if they beat us, let them do it. I I would not say the word let them do it. I would say you have to understand that you're in a competition. So, >> fight against it, though? You said I would say not let them do it. So, how would you not >> is straightforward. So, number one, you've got to make sure that you're incentivizing people to have kids. So, you want to culturally incentivize it, you want to financially incentivize it, but I would say across the board the same should apply for somebody if you've got a Muslim here that's here legally, everything should everything should apply for >> I'm saying sending them home because that's not what I'm saying? >> No, no, no. I'm saying so, you've got that. So, you've got even just the people that are here now, if they whatever group outpopulates, it could be the Catholics that end up just absolutely taking over, which is my whole theory on uh we've imported so many Hispanics, but they're mostly Catholic, so it's pretty easy for them to assimilate. So, uh you've got that, just the people that are here, we're already in a race for like how many of what are going to be around, but the way that I think this manifests, we need to literally state these are our American values, and then we need to recruit, aka uh go out and immigrate people that match that setup. I think we want the best and the brightest from all over the world. I think that we want to find people that are pointed at the technologies just an easy one to look at that are going to be able to help us build the technologies of the future that have the desire to assimilate and you bring them over that way. Yeah. For for all of that that you said, that sounds great. Okay? For us to get America to decide to all of a sudden have a bunch of kids, that's going to take a couple decades for them to buy into that. It's not going to happen overnight. The other thing is my concern is policy making. If you want to live here and we're making the policies or Americans are making the policies, no problem. But if you want to bring your way of thinking from your country and Sharia law here, we can't do that. Well, now you're getting into the actual policies and things like that. Yeah. >> of people getting into office and then >> that it's just this is this is a big problem that will have to be broken into chunks. How do you do that? Well, so I want to I want to get one more topic here before we go. But to button that one up, I think it's just going to have to be dealt with. There's immigration, there's uh having children, there's establishing values, like all of that stuff's going to have to play out. And then the thing that you put your finger on earlier, I think is arguably the most important, which is who has influence over kids and looking at that. What is the ideology that they're being inculcated with? They will be uh inculcated with something and so I think that we have to like when when parents are being treated at school board like domestic terrorists, you have a problem. It that's a a 10-alarm fire. Like that is a level of insanity that I don't even have kids and I'm like, "What is happening?" >> But but a lot of people are afraid of having it for that reason. The average person can't put kids in private schools. The average person can't afford to pay two grand a month for private school. Two grand a month private school, that's 24 grand a year pre-tax money, that's $36,000 a year. You have three kids, that's $108,000 a year pre-tax money. If I'm making 200 grand a year, what? A half my money's going towards How do I make my mortgage payment? I mean, it it it almost like to be able to live the life to be able to protect the values that my kids are going to be taught, I need to make 350 to $500,000 a year. It's not what the median income is right now. And 90%, 95% of parents are probably going to put their 90% they're going to put their kids in public school. They don't have any leverage over it. You can't go to the school and say, "You can't teach what you're teaching." Oh, yes, you can. And they're going to have to. Well, a lot of people are trying to, but in blue states, blue cities, >> to tell you, this is not easy. This is not easy. >> Yeah. Yeah, all right. Brother, this has been incredible. Uh, where can people join you? Join me. Um, if there's one thing I would say is they may want to download Minnect app. That's the only place where I respond to 100% of messages. It's a place where it's a app you download, you pay for a text, you pay for a video, you pay for a phone call. I'm on there, a lot of influencers are on there. Um, but that would be the number one place that I would personally respond to any questions. Minnect Minnect is spelled m i n n e c t. It's like, do you have a minute to connect? Let's Minnect. >> Hey, yo. I love it. All right. Brother, thank you. Anytime. Thank you. Everybody, if you have not already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace. 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