Parks and Recreation Advisory Board - September 2026

Uh, calling to order the September 14th Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting. May we please start with the roll call. >> Aaron Angel will not be here. Scott Conlin. >> Sarah Flynn >> here. >> Sam Libby >> here. >> Hannah Moy >> here. >> Nicholas Noll >> here. >> Brandy Brad Share is not here. Okay. And council leazison Sha McCoy is not here today. Okay, great. Thank you. Uh let's go into the agenda for this month. Now, I do want to move one thing around. I want to make sure that we do the new business uh at the top. So, right before the old business since we do have a presenter and um I think the presenter might want to leave um before 8:30, right? Yeah. All right. So, we'll do the new business first if that's okay with everybody. >> Sounds good. Uh, is there a motion to >> I can make a motion to move about new business before old business >> and approve and and and approve the agenda. >> And approve the agenda all in one [clears throat] second. >> Okay. Thank you. All those in favor. All right. >> All unanimous. That's great. Keep going. >> Let's go into previous month's minutes. Any amendments? We need to make adjustments to the previous month's minutes. Anyone see any notes in there? wasn't good. >> Okay, >> looked good to me. Uh, I'll move to approve the August. >> Thank you. >> Minutes. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> All those in favor? >> Okay, that also passes. Good. That brings us to public invited to be heard. Uh, and Alex. Yes. Uh, please state your name and address for the record and you'll have a couple minutes to speak. And >> Okay. I might just stay right here. Don't have to move anywhere. >> You're good right there. >> My name is Alex Bell. I live in 1751 Sumac Street on the north side of Mtown. Um I wanted to join this advisory board today to kind of like talk about the general skate parks in Longmont. Um about a year ago, I started this conversation with city council and had reached out to parks and wreck about the skatepark behind the rec center on Quail Road. um following conversations with the superintendent, they had closed that park a few months later because of disrepair. Um kind of just want to continue the conversation about, you know, putting a new park back in that space or [snorts] building new parks or fixing the current parks that we do have. Uh a lot of them are just starting to fall apart. Um they're not really beginner friendly. And even for me, like I'm getting older, I'm mid-30s, I'm starting to feel a lot of the stuff is too big for me. Um, so just wanted to bring awareness to the parks that we do have and kind of status of what's happening to the quail road park as well. >> Well, Alex, thank you so much for joining. Uh, u really glad to hear hear your your voice on this. I think it's interesting something we don't really talk Mr. often about skate parking uh skate skating uh in skate parks. We talk about other types of activities quite a bit, but not something we've talked about recently. Um, you know, I'm wondering, uh, the one behind quarter, was that an actual skatepark? Wasn't that like an impro? It was a real skate park. Am I thinking about the one that was with, um, >> put in place amenities in it? >> And so, um, I know David has been has talked to talked to Alex and that's really David and Ben Ben's realm. They've been working on this. So, but it it was we've been talking about >> closing that amenity for a number of years because of the disrepair for safety. >> Okay. >> And I don't know a lot beyond that. So, I don't want to get too far into it, but I'm making notes to make sure >> that pass along um what Alex talked about. And again, David's I know David is well well aware of >> and I think the other the other's point was about the parks that we uh the skate parks we do have are like more advanced and uh more uh aggressive for those who are less afraid of breaking their bones. [laughter] So maybe that doesn't meet the the need of the public there. >> Yeah, it's a hard entry point for the current parks that we have. I know Boulder's been getting a lot of new stuff that is more beginner friendly to get newcomers into the sport. It is an Olympic sport, so it is growing quite a bit. Um, the other thing is like the limiting amount of parks that we do have. Kids are starting to skate more downtown main street. They're starting to get kicked out, get in trouble. Uh, I have reached out to like just kind of dispatch to see like what general calls they get on like an average for just skaters getting kicked out of places like where those resources are being used. So, it's just kind of like if we could have a safe space to actually go and not be bothered, you know, it would be really nice. >> Do you feel do you feel like the location at Sandstone is better, but the like the quality of the skatepark there is good, but obviously quite far for people to get there? >> The quality of the skatepark is not the greatest to be honest. Um, everything is way bigger than normal >> and as a beginner it's not the greatest place just because you do have like some teens that are flying full speed. >> Um, and then just location. It's good for people who live close by, but I live on the north side of town and it is a bit of a drive and it's easier for me to just continue driving to Frederick that has like a new park that is like more accessible to all. I was going to ask if there were regional examples of what you thought were parks that reflected that kind of better entry point. >> Yeah, so Frederick is like the newest park to the region. Um, Windsor would probably be the next where the skate park I know is telling kids to go to other cities to go and use the facilities. Um, Green Block, which I think is Valmont in Boulder, that one's like a DIY situation that's getting more popularity just cuz kids are building stuff, putting it there, working with the city. I know that's gaining a lot of traction as well. >> Are there others in the city? So, my daughter actually did escape camp at Sandstone and she was uh five at the time and it felt pretty pretty huge for her cuz she couldn't actually get out of the bowl >> without help. Um [laughter] can't reach the lid to get >> trapped in there. >> Yeah. Um and uh and my husband actually also recently started learning same thing. Doesn't really want to break bones though. Are there other parks in the city though that >> just in general I only really know about Sans? >> There's like one or two that I think the city is considering as like a beginner level park. Um but they're limiting in terms of like the obstacles that you do have. So it's almost like easier for you to just build your own ramp and skate that versus what's been provided. >> Thank you for coming to speak. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, certainly something we want to uh keep in mind for future agendas. Uh yeah, thank you again for for uh sharing. >> I think my only question which maybe David was here to help answer would be was the facility at Quail left to deteriorate differently than other parks facilities? Like I don't hear about us like abandoning certain park features. Usually >> those those type of features will will deteriorate [clears throat] >> and they're not repairable. Basically >> they they were repaired many times in my experience being over there. Um but eventually we had to pull one that was not repairable and then another one and eventually it >> just be a full >> replaceable. Yeah. >> Um I know we've talked David's looked into some different things including uh what they've done over in Valmont in Boulder. >> Um which is an interesting situation. So again, I don't want to speak too much for >> I had never heard of that. I thought it was just like Boulder provided park. I didn't realize they were bringing the public were bringing >> it's no it's it's not as simple from what I understand again >> um Boulder Boulder is does oversee that and so it's it's >> public it's public invested in it but it's also city operated as far as making sure it's safe and secure. So, um, it's it's DIY, but not quite, which is >> I believe anything that's built has to be approved by like the skate contractor that has like the [clears throat] licensing and everything, but then there is actually the official skate park next door to it. >> So, yeah, they'd have like there's like I want to say a bar, a beam or something on the ground. Well, they they bolted it in and they added angle on both sides so they could run the rail on either side. That sort of thing. So, it's kind of a not just bring a table and tore it out, but >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That Yeah, that would be chaos. >> Can I ask that it start as DIY and then get city approved? >> Um, I believe it did start as DIY. I know that satellite, the skit shop there locally was working on trying to build the space. I don't know like exactly what happened. >> I think it started off as just like a couple ramps and maybe some like cement blocks and then it turned into like maybe like an educational piece to get kids to pour the concrete. >> Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. Something like that. happened from Milwaukee and something like happened where they people just started building and eventually the city was like, "Okay, we're going to help you do this safely cuz you're not going to stop." And then just I Googled it cuz I didn't know either. It says Blue Skies, Quail Campus is closed. Rough and Ready, Sandstone, and Steven Day >> are the parks that arrested. >> Rough and Ready is real. Not much going on there. One rail. >> Yeah. >> Rough and Ready was voted number one worst skatepark in America in like 2014. >> Was it really? >> Yeah. It's in a magazine. [laughter] I didn't realize it even counts as a skatepark. >> Yeah. >> You know that. I go there. >> We see. And I'm like, we see each other there. I'm like, >> where is this? Where is that? It's >> like a rail. >> Yeah. A bump in a rail. >> Okay, that makes sense. Like I've been there a lot. I don't know what to talk about, but technically that's what's listed on the the website. So >> yeah, now that you say Steven day too, we have been over there too. >> Yeah. Like mostly a second one said, an interesting topic we haven't really thought about or been >> privy to thus far. So, >> thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. I did also put together like a PowerPoint that I could share with you guys. Um, it just kind of like breaks down like what happened at the current park or that quail road and then just like what new parks would cost in general, stuff like that. >> I'll pass I'll pass the information on to David. >> Okay. Awesome. >> You have a copy of that already? >> Do you have a copy of that presentation already? >> No, no, no. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they can share with us. >> I'll have David to reach back out because [clears throat] I know he's good. That's good. Thank you so much for your interest in fashion. >> Yeah. >> And other men too. >> Veronica, did you did you catch that uh Brandy I just saw pop up. Brandy is not feeling well. >> She doesn't. >> All right. Well, we are going to keep going. We do have a an agenda packed out. We're going to move on. Thanks again, Alex. We're going to move on to new business. The 4th of July update. Yes. >> Recap and lights plan. >> Yes. Um, okay. Just a quick recap for our goals for Independence Day. >> And who are you? >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. I'm Sam Calhoun and I manage our public events. Sorry. Um, >> for the people at home. >> For the Yes, for my adoring public. Um, so this year we expanded Independence Day into a two-day event um, so that we could participate in the statewide 250/ Longmont turns 155 celebration. Um, the goals were to increase visitation, potentially overnight stays, uh, diversify the food and beverage lineup, um, and then drive economic impact for local businesses, uh, and capitalize on an audience that we already had from the sparkler softball tournament. Um, this year it was a success. Uh, on July 3rd, we had a free concert at Roosevelt Park. Uh, Glove and Special Sauce was our headliner. Uh we had about 7,800 people at our peak hour, which was 8:00 p.m. and then 9,100 overall attendees. Um according to Placer, um downtown had about a 22% increase in outofmarket visitors um compared to July 3rd of the previous year. >> Um and then we had 27 vendors and 18 volunteers that day. Uh on July 4th, uh we had our usual free festival that we've been doing for the last few years. Uh we had about 5,200 visitors at our peak hour. Uh and then about 6,700 total attendees. Um and then same thing, downtown had about an 11% increase in out-ofmarket visitors um compared to that same day in 2025. Um so that just shows that the event is growing. Um and then we had 57 vendors on that day um because we included a small uh market in that event as well. So we had a bunch more vendors and then 32 volunteers on that day. Um for next year um we will um well what worked this year was activating Roosevelt. That is a really excellent park uh for events like this. Um and then obviously the big headliner was a huge draw, a regional draw. Um and we also did some regional advertising on KBCO and Pandora. So all of that stuff um added up into a successful event uh for this year. And then for next year we are focusing on the drones for the 4th of July. Um which kind of frees us up in terms of location. Um so we're working with the innovation center to map out a few different options for a potential new site. Um and then hopefully extending the site we have currently is going to become not viable because the parking the parking lot's going to be so >> yeah. Yes. So eventually if not next year then likely the following year we won't be able to use that site regardless. So um >> and it's not an optimal site. >> It's not for an event. It is um the train tracks run right through it. Um this year there were a bunch of people watching the fireworks show sitting on the train tracks which was less than ideal. So, um, yes, we'll be looking for a new spot for that event. >> Do you mean the sorry, the site for where people congregate or where the fireworks are? >> So, the fireworks are launched from the fire training center which is on First and Martin and then the event itself is like in the area of Second and Emory and it also encompasses First Avenue. So, people do have to cross the train tracks to be able to experience both sides of that event. We had a stage on First and a stage right outside of that 110 Emory building. So, [clears throat] um, and then hopefully we'll keep increasing business participation outside of the events that are actually physically present at the event. Um, and LDDA is going to be a big part of that. Also, >> sorry, I missed this. So, there's no fireworks sponsor as of now? >> No, no fireworks sponsor. There also was not a firework sponsor last year. So, the we used uh council contingency funds to pay for >> right now. There's no plan. That could change if council changes and uses applies funds, but you're saying right now there's no funding for fireworks. >> We are we are Yes. >> Or you're not pursuing fireworks? >> We are not pursuing fireworks due to funding problems and general general feeling from council and we'll be sending this to council. Our ideas, we're working on trying to get a plan together. It's challenging. Um we are not proposing fireworks in our new plan. So >> Ken, to follow up on his question, if money appeared, are the new locations you're looking at firework friendly or is that just not >> um if funding appeared, we might explore it. Um it's public safety. That really has pushed us into the fire training center obviously because that's a site that they control completely. Um so it's easiest for them to have it at that site. Um but again, if not in 2027, then in 2028, that site is going to be off limits for um a festival. So, it's a bridge we're gonna have to cross sooner or later. >> No fire training, but the parking lot where the festival was, >> right? Okay. >> Yeah, >> fire training remains an option. >> That's a great place to launch fireworks. >> Yeah, the fire training center [clears throat] is available to launch the fireworks. There's just nowhere to have an event around it. >> Um so, >> everything's developing. >> How much did the fireworks cost >> this year? We spent $32,000 on the show and it was about 12 and a half minutes. So >> I think people would be surprised to not have fireworks. >> So it' be good for council to have a a strong narrative on that or recommend that they explain that. >> Yeah. >> Or just choose to fund it. >> Yeah. >> Um we've had a lot of feedback to not have fireworks. >> Yeah. So >> yeah, I think I think people who don't like >> and a lot of places around us are are going that direction and we feel like it's it's a reasonable time based on >> a whole bunch of factors, different >> location funding, public input and feedback from council too. were there last time they they talked about not doing the possibility of not doing fireworks this year but opted to certainly in lie of 2501 150 and um we kind of took our cue from that. [clears throat] >> Yeah, I can agree though. I think the people right now since we have a show are more uh again incentivized is a good word for it to say they don't want it whereas I think if you announce next year that you won't have it >> you'll hear the other direction >> I think I think people don't realize that there's any effort involved with having it they just expect it part of what many people grew up with is their own hometown having fireworks every year and they think it's gotten more expensive >> but um just something to think about is you know gauging in public opinion or I I would bet dollars to donuts that they're going to be a big PE for people asking for it or find a way to fund it and try to do it. So, if council does not want to do it for their own reasons, that's going to be their choice probably. >> Yeah. >> Sure. >> Another question Sam was are there feasible other sites to have the Fourth of July Fest, do you think? >> Yeah. Uh we have a couple in mind. Um Roosevelt Park um is obviously built for events like that. Uh the drone show is is kind of the sticking point there. They have a safety perimeter that um we have to manage. So if we have to close streets or manage manage that perimeter for them, um that's something we're considering. Um we've also talked about potentially having the festival at Clark Centennial and launching the drones from Skyline High School. Um it it all depends on um that safety perimeter and then sight lines to the drones from wherever the site is. Um, so we're working with the innovation center to um map out some of those >> those spots and see if we can't find a good alternative site. >> Other question was was the July 3rd content concert the biggest event ever at Roosevelt? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Maybe bigger things there. It seemed like it was the most >> I think so it felt it did feel really crowded. I think part of that was we we really only used half the park. So um there was a lot less room to to spread out. Um, [clears throat] but at 9,100 attendees in that short amount of time, uh, it's still about half of the attendance that an event like Sinko will get because they have a much longer day. So, they're at about 18,000 people. Um, and they use the entire park. >> So, it feels more crowded because there's less space in in a crunched time period. >> So, >> when you Sorry, one last thing. when you consider different locations for a future event too, how much do you factor in parking in the area and things? >> It's a big Yeah, it's a challenge everywhere. Um, and that is something that at Roosevelt Park, even with those kind of numbers, parking never really seems to be an issue there. Um, so that is kind of a big bonus at Roosevelt. Um, but yeah, parking is is definitely something we'll consider because obviously people are going to have to get to the event one way or another. Uh, we also for Rhythm, you know, did a shuttle service. Um, so stuff like that is is Yeah, we consider all of that. >> It the the concert was was remarkably smooth. I thought like the entrance there wasn't a big line for security. I mean, you guys were careful just be lazy fair about it, but it felt very easy to get in and out. People have a great time. >> Yeah. Good. >> Yeah. >> Good. Cool. All right. Our big winter event, um, Longmont Lights is changing just a little bit also. Um, so in the past we've done a big festival on the Friday night that's before the parade. Uh, and that takes place in Roosevelt Park. We do um there's ice skating and fire pits and Santa's workshop um and that kind of stuff. This year we're changing the format just a little bit um to spread that out over uh four Saturdays. Um, so we're partner partnering with LDDA to um program these four Saturdays in hopes that we can draw people from Roosevelt Park through downtown also. Um, so each Saturday we'll have a core activity which will happen somewhere downtown and then a signature moment which will happen at Roosevelt Park. Um, we are also thematically um our the lights at Roosevelt Park will fall in thematically with the lights that are downtown. So, it'll feel cohesive when people are walking from Roosevelt to downtown. Um, there's like a wildlife theme. I think we're going to have elk in Roosevelt Park and they'll have wildlife displays downtown. Um, so the first Saturday is November 21st, which would typically be the plaza lighting that LDA puts on. This year we're going to have Santa lights up Longmont. Um so at different points in time Santa will with a big light switch um light up the different spots downtown and at Roosevelt. Um and then the signature moment on that day is going to be fire pit and hot cocoa at the ice pavilion opening weekend. Um so hopefully we'll draw some attendance there. November 28th uh is small business Saturday. That's the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Um, our core activity is Santa visits at Loco Square. Um, which will hopefully be open by then. We shall see. >> I just saw today that they were working on that. I didn't realize it started. >> Yeah, it's pretty pretty exciting. >> It'll be open by then. >> Yeah, that the plan is to have it open by the 21st. So, I'm hopeful that that we'll get in there by the 28th. Um, we do have a backup spot for Santa in case it's not open at St. Stevens. Um, and then we'll have Santa's reindeer in Roosevelt Park. On December 5th, uh, we'll do the Home Depot toy kits, um, at some location or locations downtown. LDDA is helping me coordinate that um, to hopefully draw people in and get them to do those crafts down there. Um, and then we'll do the ice show at the ice pavilion at 5:00 that day. And then December 12th is parade day. Um, that's the core activity. And then the signature moment is the uh shoes and bruise fun run on Main Street since we're staging all the floats at Roosevelt Park. Um so that's the plan for Longmont Lights this year. Um and kind of a recap for Fourth of July. Do you guys have any questions for me? >> I just noticed that something we talked about in the past when we talk about event updates, we focused on uh Placer, right? And like getting the counts. We didn't talk about that at all. We just trusted that they have numbers. So does that mean that we have like a great system that's perfect for judging uh crowd sizes now? >> Yeah. Well, we use Placer for that. So that's where we get all the data from. Um but I do feel that Placer is pretty accurate in terms of judging crowd sizes. >> Outdoor outdoor crowds it seems to be pretty good. >> Yeah. >> Is our great. >> And so we were able to track Fourth of July. look [clears throat] at our last few Friday nights. >> Um, we've been doing the same thing for quite a while. So, we just felt >> Did we have it ready for last fourth of July? I'm trying to remember. >> I don't I don't think we had Placer last 4th of July. I can pull that data. It goes back like 10 or 15 >> because I just because your first slide you were comparing 2025 versus 226, I think. So, I was wondering are you comparing like similar numbers or different sources? >> Yeah. So, Placer goes back 10 or 15 years. So, I can pull data from >> Yeah, it's crazy. Yes, it is. It's very very weird. >> Okay. >> Well, anyway, it's good that we're not talking about it. That means that we have a good system in place. So, >> yeah, Placer is great. It tells me demographic information, where people are before and where they go afterwards so that we can, you know, use that data to hopefully bolster some economic >> and businesses. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> Sounds like a nice change. >> Yeah. Keep up the good work. And we're going to try, you know, we're going to try something different this year. We'll see how it goes and we'll evolve from there. That's >> that's what we're good at. There will be some things that are going to work great and there'll probably be some things we'll go, "Oh, >> yeah. >> I mean, there's going to be reindeer. That's pretty cool. >> Always cool." >> Yeah. >> Cool. Thanks, D. >> Thanks, >> we're going to keep moving. >> Thank you. >> New recreation center status. >> Okay. Um we are very unless you you're very fast and furious right now um trying to get uh information uh for the 22nd at council to uh reapprove the purchase and sale agreement and two leases that have to do with uh child care which I think we've talked about the YMCA operating childare and um growing gardens, which is the gu the garden there that we didn't think about having to have to have those in place, but then legal has been involved and has trained us in what we do and [snorts] don't necessarily need. And so we're working very hard at all of these things at once. Um everything is due tomorrow. And so we're we're [snorts and clears throat] hoping to have things signed and we've been pushing hard on the Y and Growing Gardens, the Y wanting this to happen very quickly. Um that's that's really their push and not ours. So trying to accommodate them and then we would have a closing sometime after that. We, you know, it could be there are some still some things to be worked out with the title. Um couple we've made steps. So we're seeing all that happen. Um, so we could be closed um by the end of the month or it could be up to another month and there's a whole again there's a whole bunch of factors going on here but it's things are definitely moving. We'll have things in front of council. Um, and that's where we stand right now as far as getting that purchased and we're kind of we're kind of at that point where we're set. We've done an environmental testing over there. We're waiting on results from that. So, even after we do the purchase and sale agreement um and before we close, we will we have a discovery period where we can go through some of the data we get and make sure there's not anything that's real surprising there. So, we won't go to close until we know everything is all set. So, um, but getting this done through council because it's either the 22nd or then the 6th and the quicker we can go, the quicker we can try to get this processed. And then immediately after that we'll go out to request for proposal for the facility which um we anticipate we anticipate probably a May Juneish um start to construction on that timeline based on other other projects that we've done. Um still with the idea of sometime early early springish 2028 of opening up. So, we're getting there. And as far lead right into the next thing. Oh, does anybody have any questions on that before I go right into the next thing? >> It's mostly just the roof, right? That [snorts] repairing. >> It's not just the roof. There's a um you know, >> very like very like poor. We talked about it last month, I think. And it was like >> it wasn't there wasn't a lot we were adding to it. It was mostly just like is this still habitable, this building? That's why I said the roof is like the probably the big component. >> The roof of the niatorum, the the aquatics area is the from our point of view the safety concern. The rest of the building we don't have a safety concern. So um we won't have anybody in there over time period. But child care >> locker rooms too, >> the the the locker rooms are fine. >> Okay. >> But there's we're scheduled for some work in there. It just it depends how far the money goes. So >> Right. And that's the real to us the real trick is how far the dollars go because there's not enough to do everything that's in our estimate. And so we're >> trying to do the best we can and a long way to go with it. But it's a lot of HVAC electrical stuff that nobody will ever see, >> right? >> Yeah. This may or may not be appropriate, but um the project came up among my team at the power company. We'd love to talk to you about any sustainability or resiliency opportunities, particularly grants or anything that might exist related. >> I chatted with Francancy about that. >> Okay. >> She knows that's coming. >> Okay. We we vaguely do, but we're happy to talk to you about it a little bit and identify any like community there's like extra money for community serving entities and things like that. So, just make sure you have all available resources when you're doing that budget because um there might be help for HVAC >> things. the budget has the budget as it stands has to be done but we can certainly add some money to that >> or you if you're already doing things like HVAC work depending on what your plan is there may or may not be resources available for major retrofits and efficiency and weatherization um so just encouraging you again >> not to use this platform but just >> no we we yeah we're happy to talk to you about it that's part of our plan >> yeah so just make sure >> until we're closed I >> we only want to go so far >> until we close up on it um but yeah trying to find opportunities to save some money. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's a part of BBA too is >> that's part of that process is trying to find some of those alternatives from >> Does this group know what that stands for? >> Best value approach to um to project management. So, uh basically what what you come down with is a design build. So, you're working with a contractor who hires all of the all of the folks including the architects. So, so they're the ones that manage that. And if you say if I'm not saying quite the right thing, let me know. But we have they know the amount of money and what we need to get done. And we try to hire the best group with the most skills. We don't really look at what their proposed cost is as much >> under the assumption or the the plan that the best group will do it the most efficient way. And that's we've had a lot of success with our parks for >> a few different projects kind of coming having coming under budget. And so that is our hope here too. >> We will see. It's a lot. There's a lot of stuff. It's it's the whole list for 10 years is well a year ago 7 and a half million and we have three. So um with our plan of again a year ago dollars about four and a half million. So trying to work that in and then look for opportunities to that for other folks to help and we've been chatting with sustainability a little bit knowing that this is coming. >> You said HVAC and electric and I my little team I was like I was like don't forget about efficiency works or rebate and incentive program. >> Is there any opportunity to fund raise for that and get donations like have you worked with community foundation to look at local donors or naming rights or things like that? >> Not at this point. We have not we have not worked on that. That's I don't want to go too far into that right now because I don't have I don't have context to speak to it. >> Um, from our point of view, it's it's when we go towards stuff like that, it's it's amount of time, some of it's amount of time to get that sort of thing done. Um, and we'll be looking for help and we have help from other folks. Um Sharice Montgomery is our project manager for it and uh Stephanie is also helping with the project from parks and um we're going to be coming up with all sorts of ideas. So yeah, it's I think anything will be open to and it'll come up with resources and time just the usual usual things we run into. It's going to be a lot and but we do have time. We're not on a we're not on a we have to get this done by, you know, X day. So that's a nice thing when you know we want this done because the Y wants it done quickly and that's fine. Um but we are not on a it needs to be open by this particular date. We can >> do our best to try to get the opportunities um set in place. So >> I imagine some of that 10year deferred stuff could also be supported by a future ballot initiative >> if there was success. I love that. >> Right. [laughter] It's a much more feasible price tag right now than the new rec center was [snorts] >> two years ago. >> Yeah. Fair. >> And you know, for example, we the rec center currently we have a we have a two $2 million project to revamp the locker rooms and the lobby that would really help that facility and it needs it. It's been 25 years next year. So, a small bond project. Yeah, >> that's something I I I would love to see that we could try to get some things that have >> they're due their due to keep recreation fresh. And this could be >> the locker room could use some work too at the at the Y >> the what >> the locker room at the Y could use some work too. >> Oh, it's on it's definitely on the list and I agree 100%. It's metal lockers which are not not my favorite. >> Yeah. >> So, >> thanks. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Um Yeah, field trip related to that. Um, we we're planning on field trip today. We are currently planning on the next meeting to do that. Uh, we'll see if we close by then. If we don't close by then, we'll push it to November. And that's okay. It's it's an inside thing. So, that works. That works. Okay. Um, so just know that we'll know that here um by the end of next week and we will get you guys word whether it will be a meeting or a field trip. Period. So hopefully in October that's what we'll be doing. Although Nick's not going to be there and I'm going to give him the priv I'm gonna give him the private tour. >> That's okay. I forgot about that. Uh >> I I'll have keys at that point. Actually, I have the code now. [snorts] >> So um yeah, that's the status on that. It's all me. You don't need to hang out. You can leave. >> Okay. Well, I want to hear the update on the wine. [laughter] >> I work here. >> Yes. You're welcome to stay. Everyone wants to know. We're going to move on, I guess, to the golf board being melted into proud. I love this this agenda, too. It's really melted on the agenda. >> I was trying to find the right word. That's the word I came up with. I don't >> I don't I tried not to use the word dissolved. And >> yeah, >> respect to those folks. And >> um so we talked about this a little bit, I think back in the spring, uh about this possibility coming up. went through a process with council. Um I wish Sean was here. He could speak to it a little bit, but um they did approve, I think it was the August 25th meeting to go ahead with uh golf board ending and then being melded into park and rack advisory board. So it will not be there's a golf board within park parks and recreation advisory board. parks and recre parks and recreation advisory board will take over the duties of the golf board. So it will be a piece just like open space recreation um parks all the things you guys talk about it will be one of those things. So and by the way I'm open to suggestions on this as we start this process. Um every month they do a report so you'll see that as a part golf will have their report. It'll show the revenues. They'll show rounds. They actually are very good at that. It's a really nice report. Um, we'll set up a couple times a year where we plan on the the city folks, our maintenance folks coming in. We'll certainly plan on where the pros come in and talk about operations, the front upfront operations. Um, so we'll kind of pre-plan that with the annual agenda to fit them in. Um, >> and figure it out a bit from there. We we have planned the two spots that we know that Scott and Nick are going to be done. You're coming up. So, we know we have two spots. We have reserved those two spots. Actually, four members from Golf Forb. I have two people on Golf currently who are interested, which is great. So, um, that was fine. Uh, that was actually Don's suggestion, Don Quintana, the city uh, clerk, and I think it's great. So, if we get those two folks on here after that, we won't have any reserved spots. It will just be parks and recreation advisory board and golf is a part of it, just like open space is a part of those sorts of things. [snorts] But this one time we will make sure we give an opportunity to those folks to be able to join up. So I'm excited. I think it's going to be a neat thing. Um being recreation golf manager now and really getting into that a lot myself right now. I I think it's the way we've evolved our fees and such at golf. That's kind of where it happened at Golfboard is not as necessary as it was in the past. They helped deise fees. We don't go that direction anymore. do a demand system for the fees that we work through golf now. [snorts] So, it's more of the stuff kind of you guys are used to. So, when we're talking about projects that are coming up, we look for input. Um, and I know that people here may not be comfortable with that, but I'm sure there are other parts you weren't comfortable with when you came in. And it'll just be one of those things that you'll see the updates, you'll start to learn about what we do. certainly be open to answering questions um meeting with the golf guys from our it's an inter enterprise fund so it is they are fully cost recovery they spend what they make um and right now the golf fund is healthy has been because golf is booming across the United States and certainly here continues to do so although we [snorts] we feel like we're at we're sitting on the crest of the wave we're certainly not going up anymore more. Um, that being said, rounds are packed. It's still packed all the time. I can tell you as a golfer, it's full all the time. >> Um, what's happened this year, and there's a couple reasons like UT Creek has the dollars are down even though the rounds are about the same. And that has to do with that demand system where they're filling a little bit more slowly. Really hot July and August affected that. You know, the the high 90s, 90 not a big deal, right? We had a lot of those, but we we had so many 95 days plus. I think that affected it. And um the new golf course, oh, lose my name name here. It's in me, so it's 15 minutes from UT Creek. There's a brand new golf course that is a direct competitor to Ute Creek. It's on the freeway, close to the freeway. And so that's that's definitely had an effect on us. But again, our rounds are right there. So, we're we're comfortable with where we're at right now. And we have some projects coming up. Working on sunset irrigation. We just got done with Twin Peaks irrigation. Hoping to do Sunset irrigation project in the spring. Um, that's pretty exciting because that's pieced together since I don't know when they first put irrigation in, but 1922 is when it opened. So, uh, there we can't tell you when it was there was there was never a full installation. So, that's what we're looking to do, which will make the system incredibly more efficient. Um, we know we save about 30% water at Twin Peaks by putting in a new system. So, obviously huge deal right now. Um, Sunset is on potable water. It's the only one of the three courses that's on potable water. So that just a little bit about golf and then water is obviously a huge issue just so you know we're um we are looking at I think it's a week from today we will not have any more water at U Creek for the rest of the year and it's a big deal because we water through November. So trying to figure out a way to protect our greens is the biggest thing for the courses. you cannot if you lose the greens you lose the asset and then it becomes retain rem getting it back is would be incredibly expensive. So we have plans uh to to continue to help the greens be successful. We have layers of plans for different options for cart path only, riding, walking, depending on what happens really in the next six weeks as far as mother nature and getting a little bit of rain cuz even a little bit [snorts] help. And right now has had some really bad luck. I'm sure you guys have seen it too, but everybody around us gets rain and it just doesn't happen right here. But when you say we're out of water in a few weeks, what what does that mean? >> Next week. Um >> I'm glad you asked. >> I'm glad you as >> So Twin Peaks and U Creek are on ditch water only. So they don't have any potable water source. So you get a certain amount of shares and a certain amount of water. And we are out. So we're using CBT water which is the it's like reserve for Longmont. This doesn't have anything to do with button rock. So once at this point once the river stops producing we get the CBT water. We are running out of that. The water that goes to Ute the shares are different than the water that goes to Twin Peaks. That's Rough and Ready. Um, Denio Taylor is the the ditch that runs to Twin Peaks and and Twin Peaks has senior rights. UK Creek does not have senior rights. And don't ask me about how all that worked, please. Um, but it's that's just kind of where we come down. And UK comes from um, Terry Lake. It's north of north of Longmont there. And it's it's real low. Real low. It's crazy. >> Yeah. you can't hardly see it even. So, it's >> um it's a big deal. We've got a plan. Um we've done well it and there's a there's a whole I consider talked about this for a very long time, but um ditch water is very interesting because [clears throat] when you get it, you have to use it or it's gone. You don't you fill your legs and they're only so so deep and then whatever goes by just goes by. You don't you don't get to retain it if you don't use it. So even though we have cut back 10% at the courses in general when the water comes we do use it and so that's allowed us to stay healthy up till now and we're in pretty good shape but you know a couple weeks of 85 degrees and no rain and we could things could look very brown very quickly. Does the city have a way to service the golf course with with domestic portable war from the city if it wants to? Um >> or there's no access to that like it's literally just only from the ditch. >> That is not something the city wants to get into. So we have asked about that a potable potential backup. We have the response has has been to protect the greens. Yes. So, we could fill up a truck at the at the fire hydrant. I'm just picking a possible example. We could fill up a truck at a fire hydrant >> to go out and water greens. >> Um, we don't have a way to plug the domestic system into the irrigation. >> A good balance. I just it would be seem foolish to me to lose the asset entirely when they're pouring water into other parks from domestic water. and parks is going through the same thing of getting cut off where they're they're prioritizing um fields uh athletic fields right now because soccer specifically October is a huge soccer month. So trying to get through October on those while pulling back in in other places. So and water understands that they they're water is very supportive and we work with them closely. um they're doing their darnest and they understand that the greens specifically the greens and the green complexes are that's where the value of the course is and you have to maintain that you have to protect that after that there are a lot of different things we can work with um and we're hoping for the super elino to have some nice effect yeah >> a nice November 8 inch storm would go a long way >> it's probably a question for David but is there any thought in parks area about re reconfiguring some of the park watering to to remove areas from grass. I just I know there are more modern parks that are designed well for that. There are smaller parks where we water a lot of grass that people don't even really use. >> I know they >> like Steven Day along the greenway, right? There's these huge beautiful grass patches that >> answer. Yeah. Okay. >> And they um Ben and David have they work on that. there is a a significant cost and commitment to changing over because it's not just stop watering and >> you don't have to be >> it's scrub. >> Yeah. You know there there's a fair amount to it but they have been working on they've been I know they've done a couple test spots trying to figure out what can work what the easiest way to do this. So so they are working on that actively that idea and I think we're all in favor of trying to find where you know where is their bluegrass that's not being used. Yeah, >> you know, and again, new places are really designed, >> right, >> more that way. >> That's golf and water, which we got. >> Can I make a comment just cuz I I saw an email that probably because of being on staff, but um little shout out to parks that the crews repaired 35 leaks in city parks this year, saving an estimated 7 and 12 million gallons of water. So, a little shout out to everyone in parks that we kind of got an update from the water folks and I was really surprised to see that figure that the crews I know in the updates we see something about how they've been going crews are out checking you know irrigation but they found a bunch they found leaks they've saved water and they've really been making an effort and cut back consistently by 10%. So, um, I really appreciate all the effort parks have been making >> and I'll mention again the Twin Peaks irrigation project is millions and millions of gallons saved in that one. And better watering, too. I I can tell you by playing out there, it's actually it's a better system, which is really cool. They have individual head control. It's really, really nice. And we're working through our very last sections of warranty on that right now. >> For the budgeting of golf, is that that's I know you said they have to recoup all their costs, right? So they are they separate from the recreation budget or they Okay. >> Yeah. Golf has its own um entire line item. You put in a whole budget for >> for golf. It works the same way. We we put it in as a city budget. >> Okay. >> So it it it operates the same way. When we do appropriations, it's the same way. All of that works the same way. >> Okay. >> Um but it is golf specific and that money can't be utilized either back this way or um or money from us to them. >> Okay. And you said there are three golf courses. Is it >> Sunset, Twin Peaks, and U Creek? >> And Sunset's nine holes. Is that right? >> Okay. >> Sunset's my favorite. >> I don't play there as much as the others cuz it's only But >> pretty. >> I just love that it's 1922 is when it was made. >> All I thought when you were saying that though is uh is there lead abatement uh as part of that project? Because there's probably like lead pipes. It's not poodle water, [laughter] but like I'm like, "Oh gosh, >> I don't know what the locates's going to be when they do that, [laughter] but it's going to be We were [snorts] talking about this last week with Ryan Hennings, who's the superintendent there, and >> um he we can't even imagine what's under there for the last hundred years. It's going to be so much stuff that we have no idea what's there." And >> it'll be it'll be fascinating, that's for sure. >> Hopefully nothing shocking. [laughter] Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Let's move on. Um, next item on the agenda is about the bylaws. And we talked about this a couple times. I think the general sense was that the bylaws are fine. They're um, you know, nothing major that we really want to change on that. That being said, I think David did specifically ask us to um, reaffirm. I think maybe is the right. It's it's vote to to say no no no change since we opened up the idea of the bylaws and this came from Jeff was >> that we needed to vote to say um no change to current bylaws. So if if that's the case then that's really all we need I think. >> Okay. >> Can I make a motion? >> You can I would like to make discussion. Discussion needed. >> Oh sorry. No discuss. I'm so sorry. Go >> for it. I would like to make a motion. uh that we uh like it's approved to not change which sounds weird. Make a motion [snorts] to not make any updates to the park recreation advisory board bylaws as written. >> I'll second. >> Okay. All those in favor? All right. That passes. We have updated Well, we have not updated. We have reaffirmed it. >> Reaffirmed >> from the first 1976. I saw that. That was cool. Sorry. >> It'll say affirmed or something there when you get to the end of it and it talks about updates that that they were reviewed and affirmed. >> Perfect. >> Sounds great. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I was looking at it. I was trying to be nitpicky. I'm like, it's they're they're great. >> Yeah. I did the same thing before the speed. Yeah. Um what does uh maybe warrant more discussion is the our commitment as the park and recreation advisory board um document. Now this is something we covered as a group last month for those who were there. Um we we reviewed the uh document actually during the meeting as well. Hopefully uh this time everyone got a chance to look at it in the packet. Um I've made uh iterated on all the feedback that I had heard from the previous uh meeting and included a more detailed appendix based off our discussion uh on that. The goal of this again just to reiterate this is a it's a working document meant to continue to live and and get get updated through our throughout board business and over the coming years. And um I I really see it as something that help you know what would I have would have wanted when I first started on the on the board, what would help me get started faster. And that's kind of really the aim for it. Um and my hope is that this is the first uh shot at this and that it's even for this group now would find it beneficial and helpful to to to look at this type of information and um help us uh do our jobs better. Just open up for comments before we go into anything further. Kind of curious what the group had. any other edits or adjustments you want to make or uh dots from what you read in the packet? >> I thought it was great. So, thank you for all your extra work um after the meeting to to add more to it. Um my only comment was to maybe we should reflect on adding golf things into this at this point that's there and there's it's still a little light. There's a couple references that don't seem to mention open space because open space isn't really a user group but like somehow representing open space is not even on our name but we have kind of affirmed it several times on this board that open space is a thing >> right >> so >> sim similar feedback from last time I think uh you know >> it started out as just like open space as being capitalizing open space right um as it gets a different comment Yes. Um, but still might be a section or I don't know what did you have in mind for >> um I don't know exactly. >> Okay. Okay. Well, something to noodle on. That's that's totally fine. Okay. >> Any other comments from the group? >> Yeah. I mean, I'd just say that it's it's been helpful for me as a newcomer, too, to like have this all in one place. And maybe I um the one thing I don't know if it's I wouldn't say it needs to be anything necessarily formal, but I think it would also be great if even like one board member could kind of like onboard a new board member before they come to that first meeting and literally provide this to them and >> and uh just give you know like a 30 minute coffee meeting to say >> this is what to expect as you come on. um here's some documentation and having that point of contact too to then ask a question like for clarity before you get started um just so you can be effective more effective as soon as you start basically. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Rememorize all of it before you start. [laughter] >> The appendic which is 40 pages long as I was going through I'm like this is getting crazy but I just you know I figured it'd be more thorough. Um, no, I love that. And maybe it's even like a like a buddy system of like uh you can continue to go to that person beyond the the first coffee as well. I don't know. Maybe. >> Yeah. No, I love that. >> Um, >> not to talk about official public business, >> right? But even that is helpful to uh maybe distinguish what that line is for a new person of what you can talk about, what you cannot talk about. Um, you know what I mean? >> Sure. Um, >> yeah, just in a one-on-one setting. >> I like that. >> Yeah, >> actually that's a question and this will probably show that I may have not read it quite as close as I would like to, but is that topic covered in how to the how-to guide? >> Okay. >> Like like uh >> yeah, like that you're not supposed to send an email to >> Oh, that's um Yeah, >> the version of the minutes is the original one you created. Oh, no. Is that right? >> Or is this the updated one? >> This should be the updated >> the updated one. Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just saw I saw an 810 date. Is that the update? >> Uh, no. >> Okay. So, there's a version history in here. Um, and that was the original [clears throat] creation. And then I have another version. >> This is one. Okay. >> Version 1.1. And then I have actually a placeholder in there, Scott, for version 1.2 that says add golf specific plans. Um, I actually had had that um note. Um, but I did not get to you adding adding golf, but I agree that that golf would be another um at least a summary for the master. I'm assuming there's a golf master plan. Actually, I didn't know >> there is some sort of golf band, >> right? >> The plan is more golfing. >> More golf. >> I think there is. >> Don't mess with it. It's the master. >> Don't touch it. Just Okay. Yeah. >> Um, that's a great question and I'm googling it. I wouldn't >> so maybe you need to find some resources of actually what to add in that section but at least some like simple questions like the you know >> there are three courses >> I don't know >> yes I think that's a good point >> I had just two comments in my review one was um I think it would benefit from some more links to the master plan documents like hyperlinks um I find it very difficult to find plans at city website continuously and always >> and I always am finding out that something was planned in some plan that I didn't know about and >> uh that the linkages between them are impossible for me to navigate. So just some links to the ones that you do mention which are the key ones >> into those documents. I think the city has consistent links to those we can use. That's one thing. >> Yeah. Staff should be able to provide them if we can't find them. >> Yeah. >> So actually I had links in there and I pulled them out >> because we're worried about link >> because I'm worried about them not you know standing the test of time and getting breaking on me. But then at the other the other uh same point, there's other parts in the appendix that are also going to be updated within a year or two. So at this point, >> sites like the MUN code having links to those. >> It's pretty consistent. I'm in favor of hyperlinks. They're amazing technology. >> Um >> okay, back. The other one was there's just a couple sections I felt that were unnecessarily restating some process things like the ballot measures and citizen ordinances in that I wouldn't want this information to get out of date from how that works in the city site or in the state and state law. So I think reflecting on the relevance of those to PRA makes sense here but restating how you get signatures to get a a referendum ordinance to the city is not a PR specific piece of information. >> Okay. So like >> um in my opinion I I felt overall there's a lot here. I was looking for things that like I felt were already covered elsewhere potentially. >> So like uh the city citizen industry ordinances referendum ballot measures like this is not the place I would go to learn how to create a ballot measure. I think we can say PRA has often engaged in ballot measures as an advisory capacity. If interested in proposing map PR could recommend to council. There's a shorter version of that, >> right? >> Like more like what is our role in PRA specifically more than like >> this is this is honestly a very concise summary of how the city government works that doesn't exist elsewhere and has value just as that but for PRA it's not specific to PR in these areas. >> No, I like that. Um >> yeah, there's there's a slippery slip of how much detail you provide and like work it starts to get more and more out of hand. I think my my intent was just to share because this has come up you know in the last couple years >> sure >> about measures and something that we should be have some uh understanding of like how what the process looks like and I I think for actually for me I cared more about the timing was kind of what I was locking into when I was going through this like uh what would it actually look like if you wanted to make a measure into November like when would you actually have to start to look at that? So, it's going to um where I was going with that, but I think you're um feedback heard uh too much air cut it down a little bit to get to the point for perhaps >> and then there's a lot of parts that say you refer to the >> I think it's daunting for a new member. It's a lot there. >> Yeah, >> I love this stuff. I'm a dork about it. So, I'm on prep, but like it's a lot even for me to read, you know, medi code um on those things. So I think um the first parts are very very strong on kind of what is our role and the ethos of prep. >> Yeah. >> The the the part that you know I I think I still struggle with like 12 years into board like groups is um partly because I know I'm fighting it is is the unfunded partially funded and funded projects. You can have a partially funded project for like decades, but because it doesn't even get close to being close to fully funded, it just sits at the on the list. And so, or you could have partially funded things that do get projects done all the time, and streets is an easy one to do because they do some streets, they don't do all the streets. And so, it's a it's a continually partially funded project that will never be fully funded. So kind of describing that like some things can be done whe it's partially funded um within the project like take a phase of something or whatever um in our most a lot of our world or uh open space is buying some things even though it's not doesn't have money for everything um that wants can be done um is part of the nuance of that of the CIP um of having to advance things into the CIP and understanding how the whole budget works. >> Yeah, that's a really good call. I don't think I actually um specify funded or unfunded. I'm looking at this again. I think I I mentioned how like doesn't necessarily guarantee that just because something's on the CIP plan doesn't mean it actually is going to happen because it's not funded. But that's kind of a you know, >> right, >> not as uh explicit as what you're kind of mentioning. >> Yeah. And there could be things that are funded, but because of other reasons, they're they're just going to sit there for three to five years because there's legal issues with the property or there's some other issue that we're [snorts] waiting. >> Have you run into any of that in the last couple years? I'm just can't remember. >> Uh like well, Dry Creek is funded, like Dry Creek Extension is funded, right? We've we've ran into our own legal problems between housing and and open space and then now we've run into issues um with Sam's Club and Right of Light, >> right? >> But that has been funded for about three years. >> Okay. So that's a good example. Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> so >> I don't know how to exactly write it, but it just like it is it is a kind of a a process you have to look at, you know, when you're looking at projects that you're you're interested in bringing up. Um, you may want to ask staff how the funding mechanism for a particular thing works because a lot of the projects too are like there could be, you know, water wastewater project plus an open space type project gets put together to make something actually happen or is involved because there's usually multiple funding sources to do a project that looks like a parks and open space project or something. >> It's not just parks and open space project. >> That's true because I only talk about the >> talk about funds. >> Yeah, I talk about Yeah. Our fund. That's true. I don't go into other >> You don't have to list all the funds, but sometimes I understand that there's multiple funds that usually fund any particular project, >> right? >> Uh Neo Gallow I think is like one that kind of comes up. Yeah. And if you're just looking at the budget, you're like, why isn't that project being worked on, >> right? >> Because there's these other contingencies or it's not fully funded. >> I like this. These are all um good good adjustments to make. And you know, for me, it actually reminds me too, like this is a intended to be a working document, something that we continue to edit over time, but that means that someone on the board needs to actually edit it or continue to maintain it. >> Right. Yeah. Right. >> Um >> it won't be either of us. So, >> well, yeah, leave us. >> I see. I see. >> So, I throw it all in. >> Yeah. Right. [laughter] >> I'm happy to do more editing. There's no issue there. Um I I won't edit uh you know, [snorts] uh permanently all the time. But um you know uh some type of handoff of sorts of or you know owner taking ownership by the new board um will need to happen if we want to see this continue to be used down the road or you know this kind of you talk about it now and then January comes around we don't carry it forward you know. Yeah, I I I mean I certainly see it as something that will be we'll we'll add to the annual agenda to bring up. It'll be on for once a year and if if anybody wants to bring it up at a different time certainly we can always add it on but we'll put it on and for review and >> that I think a part of that would be >> us and potentially the chair assigning the chair hey please go through this take a close look at everything and having one or a couple of us do the same thing and then have everybody look at it and be prepared to say looks great as is or yeah something has changed and we need to make a couple adjustments. >> Um, the regular kind or we've evolved and we we'd like to see a little more information. So, I that's what I see is is us making sure that it's annual because I I think this is great. I think it's a really good stuff. I'm thinking about this for another board when I go into >> adopting the idea of it into something else too. >> Yeah, I was going to agree with that. I think other boards would benefit from this. I mean, I think it's important like joining a board, you don't really know what the like historical background is. You share some nice stuff for the past six years of things that have been key topics for this board, right? >> People refer back to them, but like if you weren't there or engaged, you don't really know what it is. >> And that's how the ethos of the board kind of develops. >> I think for other bird boards to learn some of the tools you used to build this and the ways you built it would be a great way to accelerate that because >> one thing that machines way better than than us at is reviewing historical things and summarizing them, right? We've done here. And so that's a huge help to show like what have been some key topics and what are some of the things that have been tasked to this board over time. Um I'm sure other boards have benefit from that approach or or from seeing this. >> Yeah. >> I don't know I don't know if any of them have their own kind of documents like this or not. >> I I don't not that I know. I've got people see been around but >> um No, I haven't. And that was my comment was going to be like if comes up next month or whenever is for us to officially adopt it with the recommendation to give it to other boards. >> I'm on board with that. >> Whoa. A lot of eyes on the on your work. >> I think you have to do other boards work too. [laughter] >> I mean I'm happy to help. It's helpful. >> Waterboard's ready. Nick, are you done? >> No. [laughter] >> No. I don't know anything about water ward. I wasn't there for 6 years, but I will pretend. I don't know. >> I guess as somebody who goes to boards as a staff person, I think I can see it being really useful for other city advisory boards, formal and informal to have something like this for on boarding. Um I feel like sometimes people are coming at it from like a different level of understanding of what they're allowed to do or supposed to do and it's really overwhelming as a new person to take it all in. So I think this could be really useful. Yeah, there was a trifold at one time that I remember getting from transportation or something and it was like uh don't talk about business with other board members. Um show up to the meeting. >> Yeah. >> Um [clears throat] that was pretty like >> and like a photo. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> No, this is I can see >> that's nice. I mean something but but yeah >> I think it's a good question because there's not really any presence for the for any of the boards on the city website other than like the granicus thing you use to apply to them. And >> so there's no like homepage for PRA that lists recent decisions PRA was involved in. Like it'd be nice to have a place to put this that is public facing and available, >> you know, or even for our staff, you know, um be a public document by being read in the record, right? But like there's no place to even put it. >> You're right. >> Well, it would be at least 10 minutes. >> But it would be nice too, especially for people thinking about applying to be on it to be able to see like, well, what are they actually even doing here? Do I want to be >> on it or not? You know? Yeah, to that point I looked at golf based on the recent conversation and I was like, "Oh, there's no anything we can read about the mission or the purpose or what do they vote on or um like yeah, it's just the there's this many members and they meet these times a day, you know." Right. Um, yeah. So, I agree that's not to put your whole thing online, but I do agree that maybe >> when I originally uh developed this and I guess it was really July I started and um anyway in my head this was not not official in any way. This was a informal casual guide for just members that we would become signatories on. We wouldn't actually necessarily uh the board didn't have to universally adopt it. It could just be individuals who said, "Yes, this is I commit and I agree that this is how I want to show up uh at the at the board meetings." That's what I had in my head. But then I'm hearing from this group and I think I've heard it from David as well of like we should just adopt this for more formally as um you know our best practices of sorts and I think I'm open to that. I'm I'm if that's the way the group is going. Um >> yeah, I think it's easy to I I think it's the easy way out or of it is to say it's an advisory document and that if there's any conflict, you know, municipal code >> always then it's fine. >> Which is already in there, by the way, like twice. Uh >> I made sure >> that part I didn't read. So [laughter] that's okay. >> It's somewhere hidden in like the 59 million pages. Okay. Uh >> yeah, [snorts] I mean if staff is in support of it and um making it something more formal and or available to the public that would be interested in looking at this, right? >> Um I don't see any reason why not. >> I we're not going to we'd be in favor of that >> because I don't I don't think functionally that changes necessarily what the purpose is. that you we're just we're adopting it more formally, but we're still going to operate in the same kind of what you've been talking about. What we've been talking about is these are there are norms, there's a resource, that sort of thing. So, >> okay. >> Um >> because from my point of view, it's if you guys adopt it, from my point of view, it's formal because it's it becomes a part of the thing and >> what we do. So it'll it would always be formal to me. It's something we needed to address every year. >> Yeah. And then every year comes back up. >> And if it is formal, it also makes it much [clears throat] more likely that it continues to live. [snorts] >> Yes. Right. >> Yes. >> Beyond January >> intent here today. >> So I agree. >> When adopted. [snorts] Sounds like maybe >> I move >> to adopt the our commitment as a law park and recreation advisory board as our norms and procedures. Um, that's all I got. I guess that's it. Um, >> is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Discussion. >> Any discussion? Yeah. >> Yeah. Were you going to make a few more changes to it? So I can definitely make make changes to it. Uh that's the weird part about adop formally adopting it because it's like >> you'd have to then if you made changes wait until it was readopted or something probably >> that's what I don't Yeah question if we adopt it as a >> living >> as a living document. I I don't know if that formally matters. I honestly don't know. I could look into that. >> I think it would be good for the long-term vision of this document for it to be handed off to the city staff at some level. >> Yeah. >> To put somewhere >> so that future someone who has ownership over that or when you're gone in the year that there's a path to like sharing who owns the the ball and editing it and that edits have some kind of review, not that you can just edit and have it be adopted by default. So, um I agree with that. So, the version there's the version control section that I think would definitely to be but maybe what that looks like is so we're we would be adopting the version 1.1 I guess today and then I don't know the updates to add golf and some of the smaller items that we brought up would become version 1.2 do and that wouldn't be formally adopted. >> Wait a month or wait two months and doing that if you're making >> anyway meeting are you missing? >> Oh, just next month. >> Okay. >> Um I mean you also don't necessarily need me to um adopt this. >> Yeah. >> So >> right now we need you to edit it. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I think we just plan to do it in November if you're back. >> Yeah. >> I wasn't also here last month. Did you already get feedback from Brandy and Aaron and other folks? Uh, Aaron. Yes. >> And Scott was pretty vocal, too. >> Before you made the motion, >> I'm gonna have to figure out the open space piece, too. I don't know what that's going to look like, but sorry. >> Okay. >> Um, I was going to ask a question similar to Sam's before you made the motion of can we make the edits that we've suggested today and bring it back for a motion to approve it if we're going to make it a formal norms and procedures document. So to I guess we're just like bringing it back in November rather than motioning now and motioning again. >> I'm happy to also do it twice. It just >> seems >> seems excessive. >> We're tableabling it. >> Okay. >> Withdrawn. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Motion. Okay. I'm okay with that. We'll revisit it. Um >> not a comment on the quality of V11. >> Not at all. >> I love V11, but I know V12 is going to be >> even better. >> Even better. >> I got to go find golf stuff now. I don't know. Find that. Uh okay. You have a source of information here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Because because I've been involved for years. >> I am help. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> I can help. So yeah, maybe check with me and we can >> about how how to fit it in in a nice easy concise way is what we're looking for. >> Y right. >> You have to have all section on ditches, dishwater rights, and >> senior water rights. >> Senior water rights. irrigation needs to be considered. >> I didn't include max intentionally. I'm just kind of curious. Yeah, I just now that we're we're moving beyond this anyone. Okay. Everyone like >> I think the master on maps. >> Yeah. You've only asked >> I looked at you when I said maps too cuz Okay. >> Yeah. To your point, I think master plan and other things have maps in them. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> I think also if you added in more hyperlinks throughout, especially if this is going to live on the website, even linking to what's is it landace? Is that called the new city map? Is that right? >> Oh, >> not sure if it's public yet. It's not public, but >> there's the open space map right now and parks map, but it's not as good as land space. >> Okay. >> Yeah, there's the parks map that shows opens and closures though, which is nice. >> Get it [clears throat] out there, but that's >> okay. Well, then once that becomes available publicly, then linking to the things like that. >> The point remains. Yeah. Yeah. Agree. >> Yeah, I think >> maps are handled either online and be updated or they're in the master plan and they're already a little outdated. >> I'll just plan on bringing it back in November. We'll put it on agenda in November and >> make some adjustments and we'll go fairly quickly. I think that again really thank you for your work on this. >> Yep. Ready to do it. um round it out six years. Okay, if there's nothing else on this topic, then I think we can move on to the the endgame. [clears throat] All right, let's move on to items from the packet. Any items from the packet anyone wanted to bring up? >> Um I had a couple of questions. One was on the so the greenway reopened and I've just ran my orbit heard rumors about the trail closing again soon. Um basically from Sunset to Hover is that and maybe that's to your point of things being funded or not partially funed. >> It's not funded yet. >> Not funded yet. >> Yeah. >> But there's no timeline on that then. Is that >> Oh, to to close the next section. Yeah, it will be a while is my understanding and I don't know when, but it's not going to be an immediate thing. >> Okay. [snorts] >> And I will I will pass that on to >> great. >> Did you have another one? >> Um I was trying to find it. Sorry. Um, oh, the other thing I saw this is a question for you about recreation was, um, I saw your ice rink programming is completed and how do you advertise like I know the brochure came out and I >> we have an addendum that comes out um now like like >> right away here. Yeah, there we have a whole addendum that we we put out in addition. So, we emailed that out. It'll be out in our constant contact. We put it in our sites, that sort of thing. >> Great. >> And then is there some place where so when I hear things from people about like scheduling things, for example, at the ice rink or if it's a fitness program or class or something, is there somewhere that that should go like to a specific person? Like at the ice rink last year, I just heard a lot of I think it's after New Year's that then the stick and puck becomes like an all ages stick and puck and that and there's just the one scheduled and people were wanting an adults only one to remain through the full season. >> What's your question? >> Just where do you direct that type of like feedback? >> Um to you can send it to recreation. will get it to um uh Sarah Taylor oversees ice. So sometimes that'll go to her >> or um we have two different coordinators that also oversees. So we have one that helps oversee lesson areas, the other one overseas operations. So between them uh we would direct that to them. So do they I guess it's a more general question too of like in in general when people have feedback about or say it's a yoga class or whatever it may be is there like a >> you call the rec center >> just call them any of our sites really. >> Yeah there you go rec >> Thank you. >> Okay >> I call the rec center [laughter] >> but yeah Veronica is right. We do have Rex support also >> and then that goes to whoever the right person. >> Okay great. Yeah, sorry. >> No, that's okay. I just was like I don't know who the person is to contact and then sometimes people say things I don't know where >> like who's in charge of that, you know? >> I just tell people call Veronica. >> Okay. [laughter] >> She knows everybody in law. >> There's a representative from each facility that oversees that looks at the Mexico. >> Okay. >> The right person. >> Okay. Great. Those are my only questions. >> I think maybe Sam but or Hannah >> I had a question for you Ben too. I have David a question but he's not here. Um >> I can write it down and get >> I'll come back if I have any urgent enough. I was going to ask how's it going at Centennial? Like we heard a lot about Centennial having a lot of repair needs and kind of being in tough shape before the bond measure that failed. >> And I haven't anything since then about >> barring the last we had two different things happen. >> Yeah. Uh we had a a failure in the chlorine system happen over the weekend, of course, on a day we were closed because that's always the case. And so we come Monday morning and we've got a pool that's not it is cloudy. >> And then on Monday across the street, we had a phase go out and so we had half power, which is not great for pumps. >> And so a pump's trying to operate under half power. It burned itself. We had to so it was the one that runs the hot water. >> So we had to get that out. So So that was acute to that not having to do with overall Centennial's operating just fine right now. >> Um we do have >> leak issues, age issues in the pump room as far as the wall, things that not bad, but things that eventually will have to be addressed. We do feel like when we re replastered the entire pool that solves some of our issues and we got an extended it's a nice long warranty. It's a 10-year warranty on that. So, we're comfortable with the tank right now. 3 4 years from now, how does that pump room work? [clears throat] Is is everything still flowing? Because it's the stuff that's under the pool that we would be concerned with. But right now, it is operating properly barring this week. And [snorts] it is back opening open and running as of Friday. Um Sarah and Phil did an amazing job. Drove the pump down had a pump to work on. Went back and got it got it back in. So is is the is the likelihood of the new rec center ending up in that similar situation. I guess I don't know how the how are the pump facilities in the pool knowing the roof and stuff. It feels like there was a big thing about Centennials limping along. We're barely going to keep it together. Yeah. And now we're buying another Centennial that's in a similar agent agent condition. >> Yeah. Some of those things are are in the um the report of things that need to be addressed. Yeah. So So some things in the pump room that need to be replaced. Some things are fine. You know, they they've they kept the pool running. You go in there, you got clear water and and it's it's properly treated. Those sorts of things. Um how things are stored. For example, I think I may have mentioned this. They have inappropriate storage in the same room as the heater. So, um, chlorine being stored, which is not acceptable, and >> some things like that. So, so some reconfiguration needs to happen. Um, as far as what's under the pool, we know that it's operating properly. So, like that's there's not much more you can do than that. in decent and good enough shape that you're comfortable acquiring it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I I think so. I think so in my my opinion that it's >> I just know it's really hard for us to get money to do big projects taking on a new it's certainly newer than Centennial and >> most things are >> Yeah. Sunset >> not sunset. >> We are replacing the the liner at sunset this this week. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's good. >> Which is a big deal. really need. >> I'll miss those wrinkles. [laughter] >> It's uh it really needs it. Um yeah, I I think we're comfortable with the plan [clears throat] >> to get it up to speed and then of course it's a pool and all that entails. Um but yeah, it's a we have really good folks. Phil Henry is excellent at managing pools. We're replaced multiple leaks that we found at the rec center which I mentioned to you guys have been an issue. Um, >> as part of this closure, you were able to do more stuff, right? >> Yeah. We were really able to get to purchasing was very concerned because we went from, and don't quote me on the dollars, but we went from $80,000 to $200,000 by change orders and like, oh, what's going wrong there? I said, no, no, no. They're finding these things. This is money we knew we would need to spend and we've had a plan for five years. Well, hopefully we got a couple years worth done. So, it it's actually really cool. Cool. And on top of we're saving some water, so that's it doesn't hurt for sure. But yeah, I'm confident with our folks and with the site and we get what we get. [snorts] So, >> when was that pool built at the former YMCA? >> Um, that was built wasn't it wasn't when it was first they first built in ' 82. It was after that, >> was it? Yeah. was all done. >> Yeah, I want to say I think it was two I think it was around 2002. Like it was around the same time as we were working on the rec center if I remember. >> And how old are Centennial and Sunset? >> Centennial is 1973. I think Sunset is 1950s. Yeah. >> Okay. It's certainly gone through iterations >> back when I had like 20,000 people. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Was there good um take up at sunset for the extra two weeks? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. We had a a lot of folks out there and the weather kind of held. So yeah, it's it was it was quite popular and certainly people want us to keep it open longer. >> Yeah. My understanding is part of that is related to staffing with kids back in school lifeguards and so you're able to move over rec center lifeguards. But yeah, since the rec center is closed, yeah, it enables us to keep it open. Keeping them both open right now would be it is very very challenging. That would be something we probably really couldn't do um except under >> because of lack of available people not money or because it couldn't pay for itself. >> Well, it's all of those things, but it's definitely staffing. Um and related, we're we're filling the lap pool with rec center. We actually hope to open that on Wednesday or Thursday. Uh we're working with Vortex on the amenity. We've got a couple issues that we're working through there that they need to resolve. Um there were I don't want to get too deep into it today. I'd rather come back next month and say we got it all figured out. Um it's we're we're still hoping for a Saturday open on that. So everybody fingers crossed [snorts] because it looks awesome. The new amenity looks awesome. Is beautiful. Two parents with kids were looking at it today and [clears throat] >> chomping at the bit. >> Um, this might be more of a David question, but I noticed in the staff updates uh that the Sarah Cray Cr uh says the city manager's office has directed staff not to move forward with the open space master plan update. I don't know if this was discussed at last month's thing, but I wouldn't mind more information about why that was um not happening. My understanding was there was budget and staff potentially allocated. Um and if it's not happening, when might it happen? And is that delay potentially because Envision Law isn't being updated or so if you could come back. I realize next month is a a field trip so November. just a little more explanation of why an 8-year-old >> if David can send out an answer to that to the group. Yeah, >> I'll I will ask him. I I have >> not quite enough information. >> Yeah. And that's Yeah, I realized obviously not open space not being yours, but um but I remember several years ago it was talking about being updated and then it was like, well, we're going to update it at the same time Envision gets updated. We're going to do it all together. And then >> yeah, you're you're on the right track. >> Yeah. And then that didn't happen. So then I was like, oh good, at least the open space is going to get updated and now that's not happening. Um, so curious. >> I will pass that question on you answer to that. So >> all right, the same item. >> Okay, >> this was a good one. I Yeah, the update is is like I get a sense of like defeat. >> I don't know. It's just me like >> Well, it didn't happen. >> Yeah, darn. But but okay, what's next? Or is it is it still is it still is like okay, fine, it's not happening this year to table it for another five, six years or Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah, I would like information on follow things have changed a lot since 2018. Scott two packet questions. >> Oh, yeah. They're both date questions that you need to have the answer to, but um Will County Road 26 supposed to open soon, the 23rd, whatever for bids. When would it start is an 8 to 9 month project uh for the trail for phase one. Um and the opposite for St. Rain phase 13. Um just an update on when we think it's going to have open which would be it's sometime in 2027 but we don't. >> Is that the fate to St. Frame State Park that's [snorts] >> I will ask both of those and I've heard 2027 >> on the second one right >> um >> might be the other one I heard too but I again I don't want to be dangerous on that. Okay, >> cool. Thank you. I'll have him send out answers to these questions and I think we can just send it to everybody. That'll work. >> Thank you. >> Items from staff. >> I have talked quite enough. [laughter] >> I know. They really put a lot on you today. >> Wait a second. I got another half an hour. >> Well, my son's in town. I got it. It's fine. >> So, no, I'm good. Thank you. [laughter] [snorts] >> Items from the board. >> So, I have one. Um it's uh I would love to have a service works um report of um we I know Bicycle Longmont always directs people to do service work stuff for trail stuff but we've talked about it at like you know at um around parks of like getting those just getting a reports of like how many people are like using it like how like how many times things get resolved what are the biggest issues issues that happen. We get a little bit of it when we get um an annual report, but um I don't think it's service sports specific. That would and that's the forward pacing part of it. I've I've asked a couple times to put in QR codes on the back of like signs at at parks so people know because somehow everybody at Thompson Park knows that I'm on this board and they come find me and they're like, "Scott, there's sand in the grass or there's grass in the sand." I'm like, "There's a guy." I tell him every week. Yeah. And uh and I'm [clears throat] like and Sam lives only a block away. You should go to his house [laughter] and he probably uses the parking more than I do. And so uh so it's just like oh my bathroom's closing. It's just like well you know whatever it would be nice if there was whatever but it just like >> I feel like last time we service works someone from staff said it's >> quite difficult on the back end to like get data reports and I don't know how credible that is because I imagine there's some way to do it. >> Yeah. But I share your frustration in that it also depends department to department. Some city works seem to go into a black hole of nothingness and some get great responses right away like the category and like why are there only certain categories and it's kind of a mystery, >> right? Yeah. And some of them have great responses but then the actual work itself may not be like we started a work order, >> right? >> But the actual work >> there's no way to find out what happened, >> right? >> The followup thing I we've we've talked about this before. right on that. >> And I appreciate there were limits in the system >> that they had and there was some discussion of maybe a different system being reviewed. >> I remember that. >> Yeah, >> I'll pass on >> what I remember was that they were actually choosing to resolve the issue >> even if it wasn't resolved yet because of the tracking for some reason. >> They kept sending emails or something. Yeah, >> something along those lines. >> That sounds right. >> Yeah. >> Um but >> we'll try to put that on the next meeting whether it's next month or November >> be great. >> We can put it on as an item to re recut back. I I think it's a big one. Um, you know, I get frustrated with service work myself. So, forestry, they're on it, man. >> They'll be done like the next day. >> Really? >> Those tree guys take their job very serious. >> They do. They are the most responsive people in the world. >> I I like the idea of having like packet updates though with uh >> like details on service works requests for this month and what was acknowledged, what was um you know addressed and what was not, what was not. That's a really nice way to go. >> I appreciate that. I was at the dog park and they were asking me, "Can you get these weeds cut? Do you know when they're going to get cut? We've called and we don't know where we stand. Aren't you on the parks board?" And I was like, "I shouldn't have come here." [laughter] >> Were you smart enough to not tell them you were on parks board at the dog park? >> I I direct them to you. >> I will have to get back to you on that question. >> Sorry. [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. >> Sorry. Um, yeah. So, I would appreciate also V wants to give some sort of update on where these things go and how they get resolved. >> We'll throw it on the next agenda. I think we have space. >> I know Stephanie will have an update next agenda. >> It'll be good. [snorts] >> Other items from the board. [clears throat] All right. We can move to adjournment. Is there a second? All those in favor? >> All right, that is unanimous. Wow.