Parks and Recreation Advisory Board - August 2026

Okay. Uh, calling to order the August 10th, 2026 Park Recreation Advisory Board meeting. Maybe we can start with the roll call. >> Yes. >> Uh, Aaron Angel >> here. >> Scott Conland >> here. >> Sarah Flynn >> here. >> Sam Libby will not be here. Hannah Malloy, he will not be here. Nicholas Mel >> here. >> Brandy Brades >> here. >> And council leazison Shan McCoy, >> present. >> Thank you. Great. Okay, let's move on uh to approval of the agenda. Now, I want to make an adjustment to the agenda. Uh I want to move the on old old business item Bllaws update discussion vote. So, two things. one is I want to change the name to uh practical guide for board members uh for the discussion and I want to move it to the end of new business so that um it can expand or come down if we need the time or we don't have the time we can uh cut it down because it's more flexible with timing. So I move to update the name of bylaws update discussion vote to a practical guide for board members and adjust the uh timing to be at the end of new business after items >> and just >> oh and yes because we want to let them out of here. Yes, that's a great call and an additional change. So, three changes now. Making an adjustment to the name of item of 5B. I'm moving the order to after 6C. And I also want to bring up the drought water supply update with Bartlett up to the beginning of old business. >> Before old business. >> Okay. I move. >> That's tight. >> I think I think you just got >> I second that motion. >> All right. Great. All those in favor. Okay, great. Thank you for working with me on that. >> Okay. Um, next up is approval of previous month's minutes. Are there any adjustments to the notes from the previous month that we wanted to make? No. Okay. Is there a motion to >> I'll make a motion to approve last month's or two months ago. >> Yeah. >> Minutes. Second. >> All those in favor? >> I wasn't here. >> Okay. All in favor? Okay. And then all those opposed. >> All those abstaining. Okay. All right. We're going to talk more about that. >> I wasn't here either. >> Okay. That's okay. >> But I still >> moving on to public invite. Do we have anybody on a signup sheet? >> Not necessarily. >> Okay. >> Maybe next time. >> Are you sure? >> All right. Let's move on to old business. Actually, we're going to start with new business item A. As we just adjusted, the drought water supply update with Hope. >> Hi everyone. I'm Hope Bartlett. Um I'm actually going to pass it on to my colleagues um Wes Lowry and Nicole Halen um to present. So that's another amendment for you. >> Okay, we're following all the Robert's rules. >> Yeah. >> Great. So, uh, again, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm the water resources manager. Um, so I think myself and Nicole, who's our water conservation associate, uh, going to kind of tag team a little bit. Just want to briefly give everyone an opportunity to hear about our uh current uh water supply and and an update. So, who's running this? Okay. Um so um again thank you for uh for being here and and uh being a part of this. Um so first I want to begin by briefly describing Ammont's current water supply conditions. So this first graph um is a graph. It's a summary of what we saw on the upper Colorado headarters. And that black line on the bottom, what you're seeing in there is what uh snowpack or snow water equivalent we saw this year. So, formerly the red line just above it was the um we'll call it I'll describe it as the worst uh snow pack on record. And you can see uh we set a new record this year, unfortunately. So, um next slide. >> What year was that red line? >> I'm sorry. >> What year was that red line? >> So, that red line for that graph was 2002. >> Okay. for um for this uh next graph I think it's this next one is 2002 a little combination of 2012 but again you see we started off a little better in the South Plat basin as a whole but then in uh March April and May when we would typically receive our most storm pack we didn't get any and put us into uh the worst conditions we've ever experienced. So, next slide. So, zeroing down down, we're now looking at our St. Mar Creek basin. So, specific to us, um, this the red line there is definitely part of that is 2002 and 2012. Those are our textbook uh drought years. Those are the worst ones we've experienced uh in the last 60 to 70 years. And uh this data only goes back to 1991. So there was some droughts back in the early 1950s, but suffice it to say, you can see that if you think of that area underneath the black, that's kind of the snow water that we've got. So much less than we would normally expect. That green X on the top, that's normally where we would peak at. So we normally peak at about 11 12 in. And on that uh at that same time this year, we were just over two inches. So didn't have a great start to the to the year. Next slide. So um so fortunately we started this year's irrigation season uh near uh for water storage near average. Um but uh currently and this this is a map that's shows where we're at currently. We're around 60% of full on the South Plat uh or the St. Marine Basin and 75% on the South Plat basin. And so, um, as you might expect, uh, because of the low snow pack, there was a more senior call which caused caused ditches to go onto storage earlier. Um, the good news is included in that storage of the St. Bins storage is Ralph Price Reservoir, a Button Rock Dam, and that is still currently full and spilling. So, that's Longmont's workhorse. That's the one that's owned by the city of Longmont, a little over 16,000 acre feet. uh water resources staff worked real hard to get that full and we're still full. So, um a little bit of lemonade out of the lemons that we're currently in. Uh next slide. So, this represents uh July 1st. They didn't have it yet updated for August 1st, but this shows some of the the uh water in storage in the different basins throughout the state. And then what I'd like to draw attention to, if you look at that blue line on South Plat, so that's the current year's uh snowpack relative to where we uh were last year. So we're the only basin in the state that's better this year than we were last year. So I don't know that's any consolation, but um that's where that's where we're at now. Next slide. So each week on Thursday, the uh USDA puts out the Colorado drought monitor map. This kind of this changes quite a bit, but what you see when you see the dark red, that means really bad and white means kind of normal. And so for Boulder County and all of Longmont, we're what's being described as an extreme drought. So we're hopeful that after this weekend, maybe we'll move back into a severe drought. But this is kind of just generally speaking and it shows that the entire state is definitely very dry. Next slide. So now we're going to walk I wanted to briefly talk about our water shortage implementation plan or otherwise known as our drought plan. So in u as with any particular drought plan, it's important to understand how a drought is defined as you're going to be hearing a lot you've heard and will continue to hear a lot in media about drought. And drought can mean different things to different people. For us, we specifically d define what a drought means to Longmont in its plan. And that's um that looks at a drought of a one in a 100redyear intensity over seven years in duration. So most other communities up and down the front range chose not to look at that long of a duration of a drought or not that intense. So some other communities might have looked at a one in uh a one in five year recurrence um as opposed to one in seven or maybe a one in 50 year. And so for us again we look for a one in a 100 year 7-year duration. When we look at that we're looking at what the shortage is in terms of the supply we would expect on the same rain. So you look at these you have a design drought and each year has a little bit of a deficiency. And when you take all those together, that's where we're trying to figure out where we're at with regards to our water supply to demand. And so, as we're looking at here, there's four levels that are described. There's the sustainable conservation level. That's where Longmont normally operates. We're normally there probably 18 out of the out of 20 years. The last time we had a mild impact, which was defined kind of a stage one drought, um we had that back in 2003. We don't go there very often and that's a testament to Longmont's resilient water supply, but we are there now. And that means that our supply to demand is between 120 to 135%. So that means that um we had an expected um uh amount of water we were expecting in uh at at Lions this year. And looking at that amount that we were expecting BA and our demand, we had about I think it ended up being around 130%. So you got it's kind of a scale, right? 120 to 135. We started closer to the 135. Now we're probably getting more to the mid 120s. Um we continue to monitor that on a regular basis. If the supply to demand gets closer to 120, then we're going to have a conversation about what it might mean to go back to a moderate impact. The important piece to keep in mind here is if we'll have a let me see I think it's a few pages down so I'll try not to steal my own thunder but one of our biggest uh demand months is August July is our biggest demand followed by August and if we get through August okay it makes a huge difference because we start a new water year November 1 >> and with that new water year comes the new storage and I wish I had a crystal ball to know what the water snow pack's going to be like uh this coming season. But suffice it to say, all indications are that we're going to remain in a mild impact scenario through this year and then depending upon what the snow pack looks like, we could either go back to sustainable, we could stay at a mild or maybe go to a moderate, but we'll see. All right, next slide. So as a mild at the mild response uh level, these are some of the key elements. We have a mandatory 10% water reduction for city properties and facilities. So we self-imposed uh a 10% water reduction. We are recommending we have recommended to the customers, the paying customers to likewise follow our example and also reduce by 10%. Um we're continuing to implement public information. We've done a lot of outreach both publicly and internally. We've had a lot of conversations between departments and divisions that have been really productive and and so that's been great and we're continuing to monitor supplies and demands. We do that actually on a daily basis. Next slide. So, uh summary of our our current conditions. So, again our our total water production. So that's if you looked at what did the water treatment plant produce, which represents what the total demand is on the system, we're near normal. So we're, you might say, close to what we were in the prior 5 to 10 years. That doesn't that's not per capita. It's just total use. It's just a single number. So we're close, but actually knowing uh the number of increased population that we're serving, the per capita has went down. I don't have that number but uh with the exception of Ralph Price Reservoir like I mentioned earlier our storage supplies are below average again to be expected in the third year of a drought and with what we projected Longmud is the and the majority of Boulder County again were we're in a an extreme drought we've um um we're hopeful that the uh the call in the river will loosen and not getting into that. Just suffice it to say, just a very few ditches are in priority to divert out of the river right now. Next slide. Okay, so now what I'm going to do is I'm going to turn it over, I think, to Nicole and Nicole. >> Sorry. Do you want to talk about like where we're currently pulling water? >> So, yeah. So, so as far as meeting our demands, we have trans, we have native basin supplies. So, that'd be water that originates in the St. Brain Basin. So, that's clear up at the Rocky Mountain uh National Park in Indian Beach Wilderness headwaters. Um we also have water that comes originates from the Trans Basin. That' be water that comes from the western slope and we think of that as CDT, Colorado Big Thompson project water and or windy gap water. both of which we have ownership in. So um every year >> is it Colorado River water all of it? So the water that so the water that we take comes from Carter Lake and not necessarily molecule for molecule but the type of water that's in Carter Lake all originated from the West Slope out of the Colorado River. And and so we have a we have guiding water principles that we've that we've set that council's affirmed that says we goal ourselves to have to use 2/3 native basin and one-third transbasin. The CBT project was designed to be supplemental to our native basin. The hard part about this year is both the Colorado and our basin both took a hit in terms of snowpack. The idea was normally one or the other would be taking the hit and the other could kind of help compensate. So, it's kind of a double whammy, but Longmont currently is taking water from both uh transbasin uh supplies. So, we are taking some windy gap water. We are taking some CBT water and we're taking uh native basin water. the native basin water. Some of that, a small amount of that is right out of the river because Longmont holds some of the most senior water rights in the entire South Plat River. So, we we're tapping into those very very very most senior water rights and we're also pulling some out of storage and that storage was water that was stored in previous seasons. So, for times like this. So, hopefully that makes sense. Any questions so far? I've kind of I'm going really quick, but >> so many, but you're probably gonna answer them. >> What's that? >> I have so many, but you might be answering. >> Maybe we'll ask like >> Okay. >> Water is important. >> Okay. So, uh, with that, I'm going to go ahead and pass it on to Nicole. >> Yeah. Um, so I'm going to talk about the rightway uh irrigation leak initiative that we have at the White Water Department. Um, so this is a picture of an example of a wide rayway irrigation, otherwise known as rowy, where in most cases there's a strip of irrigated landscape located in between the sidewalk and the street or the curb. This picture depicts how many leaks are below ground and are not easily noticeable. Therefore, they can have a significant impact on overall water use. The city provides free water for 78 ROI customers. The owner or the HOA maintains the system components which includes the landscaping and sprinklers. This also includes fixing leaks. These rowies consume about 52 million gallons annually which is the equivalent annual consumption of about 4,000 residents. Out of the 78 total rowies, 37 had leaks this 2026 irrigation season. This means that about 48% of all the city's rowies had leaks this season. We have since resolved 13 leaks or about a third of the total leaks. These leaks register in our AMI or automated um um advanced metering infrastructure or AMI. Um and it registers as continuous use alerts. Uh these leaks can waste as little as a few gallons per hour or as much as a few hundred gallons per hour. Um we estimate that about 5 to 10% of annual annual water used by growies is from leaks which is about 4 million gallons annually. Once these leaks are detected by our AMI system, we begin the process of notifying customers to encourage timely repairs. The notification process includes a notification on our next water bill, a mailed letter, an email, and then phone calls from our water heater coordinator. Great. So, thank you so much um Wes and Nicole. And um I just wanted to jump in and just also highlight that this year we were able to update um a part of our code which is our waste of water ordinance. Um and we've always had this waste of water ordinance basically prohibiting waste of water um where it's not put to a beneficial use and that's in our code language. Um, this year we were able to give it a little bit more teeth um and update the language so that we were a we will be able to address fines as we see fit. Um, and and these are um prime candidates for um addressing fines um for waste of water when we're in times of drought or dry um conditions um and our customers aren't paying for water such as um dur in our ride ofway properties. So, um we're working on that. We have yet to assess a fine um because we want to um value our relationships with our customers. And so, we've been really focusing a lot on education and um getting in contact with, you know, the right customers and the right property owners, which is a lot harder than you would find. Um, so we're working on that and um a strong testament to our um our waist our our code and um our water coord our water meter coordinator sorry and Nicole our water conservation associate who works really hard on this. Um I also wanted to highlight um that we have been working really closely with um actually Nicole you can go to the next slide please. Thank you. Um we've been working really closely with um our parks staff and um parks has just been amazing to work with. Um so we are from the water resources department in a different division completely from the parks department and while we often get to work together not very as closely as we do during times of drought. So, thank you, David, for all your support and David's teams. Um, because we have been able to find and identify um 50. Wait, Nicole, how many park park leaks have we found and fixed? 40. I think I think we >> we've fixed about 40. Yes, >> we've founded over 40 leaks on just our parks properties. So, while we're working on the Rowi customers, which are private property owners like commercial and HOAs, um we're also doing the same process for our parks department and our parks properties. Um and you know, Longmont has an extensive parks portfolio for lack of a better better term, like it's our huge asset for our community members and so oftentimes they go unnoticed. How can we have everybody looking at them all the time, right? So, we're able to use our smart meters, our our Nicole, our water meter coordinator, Carla, and um really kind of deep dive into where can we find and fix our ourselves so that we can meet our 10% reduction plan during these times of drought. So, shout out to um Zach Buren, Jesse Sandaval, Ben Graten, um David's team. So, for >> is golf part been part of that as well? >> Golf is Yeah, golf and Wes Wes has been working more closely with golf. I don't believe we've been been assessing for leaks on golf, but golf has been curtailing from the beginning because they've been on most of them are on raw water. Um, and so what that means is um when they're in priority, they're able to irrigate and when they're not, they can't. So they work really closely together. >> And that's one of the things that I hope that you guys been trying to tell that story, too. Sometimes you drive by, people see us watering during the day when you like, why are you watering? Now it's like well that's when our water's there. if we don't use it those times can kind of share the story more. But that's that's a piece that's kind of hard is the educational piece on when when we can when we can use our water. >> Okay. >> And most of our parks actually are on raw water. So we have we have many parks on um treated water which we meter and those are the ones that we're um checking. So Nicole put together a spreadsheet of 50 parks um and the golf course that's on treated water and checking it week over week to make sure hey like this park's actually using 25% more than it did last week like what's going on. Should we check and see if it has a leak? Which we check and see what's going on there. Um so 50 parks to make sure that we're on track to Thank you Nicole. Yes, you can share it. Go ahead. I'll let you talk about it actually. Well, I'm just going to throw out there too for this group that honestly with all the work that they're doing, you know, park technicians, unless they get a sinkhole developing, they're not going to know that they have those kind of leaks out there. So, if it's a head that's blown, that's easy. But once that stuff in that diagram is really nice, you you don't know that. So, >> and the smart meters are pretty recent, right? There since they're since I've been on the board because I remember I think >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And that was one of the pieces. Sorry, I hope to interrupt. No, not at all. I feel like you're um I have all these questions, but I'm trying to set things up a little bit and you can answer some of those, too. But why does the city give water to rightway customers? >> That's a that's a good question. I think some of some of that happened um decades ago. And some examples include um collector streets. I'm probably not using the correct term, but it was important at the time that the um they were beautiful entryways into Longmont that they felt were going to be um maintained. Our philosophy of of water now has changed a lot. Now we might accept something that looks more Zurich and still pretty as opposed to just green blueg grass. And so understand that Um, some of our I call it our agreements go back 60 plus years and so each one might be unique. The ones that we talked about with HOAs and stuff that would be probably since the 80s but still I date myself but now you know 40 or 50 years ago that we've we've even started some of these. And so we it was the the agreement was we'll provide the water, you make sure it's maintained, it stays green and maintained. The challenge we had was there was no incentive for them to use less water, right? >> So they wanted to just keep it green because Longmont was providing that water at a at no cost. And so that's where it's hard to kind of claw back, if you will, and make and to incentivize those. And that was that one of the things we did in our that we talked about earlier was to try to have some kind of something that would sink teeth and usually the common denominator is dollars. And uh but I think we've gotten we've started a long way. We've had these conversations and they've been pretty responsive. So >> thank you. You bet. >> They also have to cut by 10% this year than this. >> So our so those are not as part of it. So, if you look at and it's on our city's website, our our water supply west implementation plan, it speaks to um parks, golf course, and city facilities. And so, that that piece I don't believe was actually a part of it. That'll be part of the um the >> is there a map of the rowies? Yeah. >> So, that's something that's it's ongoing and being developed. So, we have a GIS layer that I would think shows the majority. I wouldn't be able to sit here and look you in the eye and say, "Yes, 100%." We could show them, but we're we're developing that and we've got a pretty good idea of where most of them are. Yes. >> Because some of us might live in neighborhoods where we have some say so, right? >> Sure. >> And we can pressure and often HOAs don't know that they are getting free water on their rideways. Um that's a really common issue actually. um where we if there's a leak and we try to find we have to figure out who owns this property, we reach out to the HOA and they're like, "We haven't been paying for this water. Like, we had no idea because the HOA board never sees the bill, right?" Because the property management just takes care of it, right? >> Um so, it's complicated. >> Yeah. with that too. Um, with you wanting city residents to opt into lowering the amount of water they're using, >> my partner and I tried to do that and our HOA got mad. So, I wonder if there's some way since we have these conversations, this partnership >> to encourage or, you know, explain that in a droughts won't be and we want city people to be cutting back. Yeah. >> So, that is something that like I would let my lawn I'm going to zero escape, but um like we haven't been watering as much because we are trying to be good stewards of this land and and water is such a precious resource, >> but our HOA has been on us. So, I wonder if there's room for that conversation. >> Totally. >> Yeah. Yeah. Hope represents you sit on the I forget it's like an HOA group that you have conversations with lots of different HOA >> uh representatives. So you've been really trying to champion that for those HOAs that show up to those meetings, right? >> Sometimes it's the ones that aren't very engaged. They're the really small ones that are hard to and as part of our public public campaign. And so we're seems like we've we've really worked hard to get as much of the lowhanging fruit and now we're working up to up the ladder to get the more high hanging fruit. >> We're also kind of in like unprecedented times, right? Like we haven't been in a drought or or have have we haven't declared drought in Longmont since 03, right? And things have changed a lot since 03. So, um, we're always kind of figuring out as we go, but, um, I don't think this is the first the last time we're going to see this in the next couple of years. And so, um, I think we're going to be really good at our our public engagement and all of those things, yard signs and campaigns and all kinds of things to where um, we're we're getting our message across in a better way. Whereas now, we're like, wait, what do we do? What do we say? Right? >> So, we're we're doing our best. >> Cool. That sounds great. No, I was just wondering if there was any resource or anyone we could send the HA to. We're like, >> "Oh, yeah, I think there might be a statewide >> there." Yeah, you can um I'll give you my card and I'm happy to. Yeah, appreciate that. Thank you. >> I think there's a statewide thing. >> Okay, cool. Cuz I thought so, too, but they're not allowed. >> You good? >> We're good. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I got you. >> That's fine. I read, of course, a couple questions. So, thanks. Me, >> too. Nicole, you got your hand raised? >> No. >> Oh, I do. >> No. >> Okay. So, you have anything else? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, Nicole, if you want to share. >> Yeah. Yeah, Nicole, if you want to share your screen with the um parks um the 50 park spreadsheet that we kind of briefly chatted about. >> Yeah. >> So, I started this um I have to go in and manually add the data for each week. Ideally, what we want to do going forward is um we want to set up a PowerBI dashboard that we can feed this information to so that parks can open this up and it's automatically populating this data each week. But what I have right now shows the different city parks and we can show each week how their water use increase or decrease so that we can assess what what was going on >> and I have to give a you guys mentioned what good partners has been working with parks but again water resource has been great with this data what we've been able to do instead of I think prior has been shut down your water by 10%. and we would have lost warranty work. We would have lost new seating areas. We would have lost some of our our high value trees. We would have lost the greens of the golf courses. So, we really went ahead and try to figure with this data how we can reduce potentially 50% in some places or maybe turn everything off in the native areas and then try to keep maybe still 100% on some of those sports fields where we know we need to have playability and we're getting revenue for the city or on the on the the greens and >> greens and te's. So, how can we achieve that 10% without just doing a easy just turn the dial back 10% and then potentially lose critical city resources? >> Did I understand right that the repairs to the irrigation systems are you're counting that as part of the reduction >> or that's just bonus uh conservation that we have >> a little of both. >> Okay. All right. >> A little of both. Yeah. >> I'm trying to understand because you were saying you know we're not reducing 10% so then where is it's a mandatory reduction. So where we're trying we're just we're doing 10% across the system not in one every place is not getting 10%. Right. >> So we are reducing by 50% in some places or turning off in others but to try to get 10% across the park system >> right as a whole. as a whole. >> Yeah. Yes. And then the the leak repair we're we're counting as um >> like waste um reduction or like prevention waste wasted water prevention. So we're counting that as as a little bit separate. But that's not to count not to say that we're not building a little bit of that into the equation because we don't know how long these leaks have been going on, right? like they could have been going on for 5 years and we're just figuring it out or it could have happened last week. So, we don't want to count at all towards like the 10% reduction plan because they are working towards across the board like every day. Um but though they will be taken into account towards like >> okay >> merit >> and then I have one other question uh just my my question is so I'm just trying to get a sense of scale right because there's the mandatory reduction by city facilities and person which is a vast system but then there's you know residential use that's recommended what are we talking what's the what percentage of our water use is coming from city facilities versus uh from the public like when we say 10% reduction mandatory for the What really are we getting like out of that overall pie? >> Is 10% enough? I don't know. >> Right. So again, a lot of our AMI technology and our and some of our data, we're u we're like in the beginning of it. There's a um massive amount of data to have to mine through to go in for each individual meter. And so we I don't think yet we quantified like being able to put it in a real clear box. All these t all these tabs are city taps. All these are paying customer taps and then trying to do that ratio. But if my my general sense is that the parks and golf and our open space make up a significant majority of our irrigation um the city's total irrigation. So we have meters that measure treated water, but again some of our parks are on non-treated water, right? And so, um, it's it's not quite so simple as to say, uh, to to to just speak to just the treated side. Um, my but again, Mike, I So, what I can say is I believe without having all the data and the season not over, we still have a couple really tough months in front of us. I would say that the the city is very close to that 10%. They have reached very close to that 10%. The um again it's uh I don't have all the numbers yet because again we're we're trying to go back and figure out what the historical average was. So, you got to go back and take these meter readings, understand the window that they were in, go back five years or however many years we're going to go back and compare it to. Um, but what we can tell is that we if we really looked at it just really big picture are we so normally on a on a peak day at the water treatment plant, we'd be producing up to 36 million gallons a day. Right now, our peak has been 27. Okay, >> we know that up to date we're around as a whole we're at about 98% of what we historically have used in the last 5 years. So that means we're we're using less understanding we're coupled that with amazing temperatures. So we have drought meaning we didn't have a good snow pack. Then we're looking at water through rain during the irrigation season. also looking at the temperatures. We're trying to develop those correlations as we speak. >> Okay. To rephrase my question, I'm just trying to understand what impact parks and recreation can have in that big picture. >> And I'll just put it there to the 10% sounds a little arbitrary to me. I don't know where that number came from, >> but um I'd imagine we should have percentages that change based off of the needs. So, we're mild. Maybe 10% is the right number for that. And then when we go to uh moderate, it should be 15%. >> Yeah. It's defined in the plan that >> Do we have that? >> Yeah, it's in our plan. It's I believe it's 20%. >> Yep. The next stage is 20% mandatory for both city and customers. >> City and customers. >> So >> mandatory though, right? >> Yeah. Mandatory. And that goes all it it's all based on our projected supply and projected demand, right? And it's that percentage range. Yeah. Um, and so it's always I always like to highlight that we are always above our 100% projected demand in supply. So we're we always have a little bit buffer. >> Sure. >> I understand your question though. I think to to I wrote it down. >> Um, asking challenging questions, >> but I had that and I think it like needs to be rephrased again because I think you have this data but we're just like not like we're not getting >> No, I think we do too. I just don't think we have it in our um Okay. So, like how much water does the city use? >> Yeah. >> Versus how much do the water are like private citizens, HOAs, commercial like the mall, you know, that kind of stuff. >> Everybody else. So, how much is the city using for parks and wreck >> and how much in parks and wreck and >> everything else? >> Yeah. Municipal building, all that stuff. How much is it city versus everybody else? >> Yeah. So our highest customer class is residential. 48% is resial. >> That's exactly what we're like. So residential and then commercial. What's the commercial percent? Do you know? >> Seven. >> Oh, okay. So like the irrigating, you know, like the things that I'm like >> volume or >> um volume. Okay. Is so for the next level you're going to implement the 20% for customers too. Is there a reason why in mild we didn't implement that on like I know it happened so fast though too like it was a really wild year but in the future with mild kind of looking forward would that be at the customer level too potentially. >> So the real challenge is um we learned a lot in 2003. >> Okay. We learned that we needed a tremendous number of additional resources to be able to respond to having these mandatory restrictions. We would have to and I don't have the exact number. We would have to greatly in increase our call center to receive calls, right? >> We would greatly need to increase our staff that would go and investigate the claims that >> this person was watering at 6:15. They were supposed to be off at 600. And yeah, >> and we had we found that a lot of neighbors were I don't know if you call it tattling, but my neighbor is watering when they're not supposed to. And maybe that person works at night and they need to drag a hose and I mean there's just all these individual issues. And so in the logistics of it were were really daunting and the cost associated with doing that without it kind of without just flippantly saying we it should all be mandatory was extraordinary. So, we really were trying to gauge more on we want to lead by example. Please follow our example. If you if we can't get the savings we need, you're not going to have a choice. It's going to become mandatory. And so far, we feel like generally everyone most people have done a good job that they have. And we can see that through tap records. We haven't went through granular and just looked at this house and this house and this house. But what we have found is that people generally are using less than they were before. >> Good. Yeah. And I will say um we we tend to same with like our rowy customers and like assessing fines, we tend to lean more on the education piece first. And so like Wes alluded, we really want to lead by example first and turn down our irrigation 10% first and then lean heavily into educational campaigns. >> I think part of it too is that um it's a little bit of reward to law for having such a great water portfolio and for the the way we manage our water. I think the way that Wes talked about the fact that how we look at our drought management puts us in a much much better situation than most the other municipalities along the farm range probably most anywhere along the front range. So it gives us a little bit of a buffer but also I think it gives you that a time to do education before you just start bringing the hammer down. I I think it's a great way for us to really lead by example. >> And I think too, I meant to say those communities that maybe only look at surviving a three-year drought. They have no choice but in year two to really start ratcheting down. We have one of the longest drought periods of anybody on the front range. Most people don't try to withstand a seven-year drought. That's a pretty long time, >> but that's what we chose to do. And because of that, you might say we have an opportunity to kind of slowly get into that. And and I think that's important because we're especially this month, I'm expecting a lot of narrative and a lot of um conversation about Aurora's doing this and Denver's doing that and Boulder's doing this and why isn't Longmont doing that? Because we're different. We've we've planned differently >> for a long time. for a long time. For a long time, it's very important. >> I get that. I get that. But our downstream users are hurting. >> So, whatever. Like, just because we don't have to doesn't mean we shouldn't. That's like I mean I mean like I don't have to plant a victory garden if it's World War II. >> I didn't have to do it, but I should, right? So I I really I mean Longmont we lead in so many different ways. Let's just keep leading. Let's keep leading. Let's like but let's I mean I hate that we take anything from the west because that's that's theft. I like abs like it's it kills me like our like that we are not leading by example with every time I go to city council every year when they say we don't have to do anything about this drought I'm just like but we should >> and that that's the point I think we made that choice uh at in more solidarity in certain aspects uh because of the fact that we knew that we would hear these things if we didn't if we didn't do something. Uh we couldn't just sit back and say tuna fish, you all guys didn't plan for uh for the long term. You didn't invest in that sort of stuff. But as good stewards of our resources and of uh being uh you know people that care about how we are also our relationship with other communities. It's important that we we did do some sort of Okay. So, you're saying but weren't going to do anything but we just Okay, I get that. >> And again, I think just another piece of that is with, you know, prior corporations like are or not. While I'm not with those plans, we've made investments in our community, too. We have parks. We have and to let those those investments in our community suffer and then next year come back and have to plant new trees and new turf and new sod. There's a piece there too that we have obligation I think to the investments we made over time too that we use the water that is in our system the right way to the appropriate uses so that we don't have those long-term consequences. >> Honestly, I'm not saying pull from parks. I'm saying like get rid of these rowies all together just like get rid of nonuseful like just let's just get rid of it. If it's not useful, nobody's playing on it. >> Yeah. Can I one more piece I credit to them too but again one of the things that again lead by example if you look out here this is dog turf in zeros skate we're trying to do things that if it fails the city can try to recover from that before we tell someone else you have to do it so we're trying to do things in a way that lets us learn if we make a mistake we recover but if it's successful then we can share it with the public as well so >> piggy backing off of that um that was great lean we have tons of programs that we're working on and lots of initiatives in the city that we're working on behind the scenes and it's so hard to like tell everyone all the things that we're doing. So, yes, we're doing a lot of demonstration projects and a lot of like test test out projects. We also offer a lot of um programs to our community members to help with zeroscaping um and help them be good stewards of our water. Um and then we also just updated our code which is really exciting. Um so I think that was in November of last year. So any new or redevelopment comes into the city is not allowed to put in nonfunctional turf. So th those that's what we're talking about the ride ofways um business commercial parks those types of things. My favorite example is Costco. My favorite example is Costco and the In-N-Out right next door. Right. So Costco went in before we updated our code and they have those hu that huge swath of Kentucky bluegrass saw right next to I whatever 119 um nobody's walking on it or or you know putting their dogs whatever in and out went in after we updated our code and they're completely Zurich. They have beautiful rock gardens, perennial plants and is right next to each other. So, if you're looking for a good example of what was and what will be, it's a fun little park. That's awesome. >> And I was also wanted to mention that we we're Longmont isn't necessarily operating in a vacuum either. We we attend on a monthly basis. We we connect with I think at times there's been anywhere from 30 to 50 different uh representatives up and down from I think I don't know maybe even Cheyenne, clear to PBLO, up I 70. All of us are talking about where are each of our communities at what are you what are their our respective plans for addressing the water supplies that we have what messaging are we using what's working and what's not. That's been really eye opening and really I think it's that was one of the things we also learned in 2002 was that people would hear a message on 9 News or KOA that didn't apply to Longbot. Maybe it was you're you have an odd number. So you only irrigate Monday, Thursday, and Saturday for something where so there's been some I think there we've been doing a lot of things in conjunction with all the other people up and down the Front Range in the South Plat. We are seeing that Denver uh like you were pointing out with Nine News, >> there was very little compliance from the the general public >> uh even though they weren't >> that they were in this mandatory sort of reduction phase. And so it was people that still thought they they needed to have the golf course uh level of uh green on their own homes. uh you know, yes, that's their investment, but uh but this was a big community investments and they they didn't understand that, you know, just because you lived up next to the golf course didn't mean that you had to look like the golf course. So, it was a problem there. And now they're having to be even much more serious about it. >> Do we have plans to meter the raw water? >> Yes. So we we're doing some of that gets um somewhat self-metered. So you in order for a ditch to take water out of the river that is measured and all that's available on the state's website. So we know exactly how much as a ditch is diverted. The ditch superintendent then is responsible for delivering whoever is calling for water which may include Longm to their respective uh think of it as lateral headgates. And so then what we do also have if it's we don't have we have very little flood irrigation. So what we have is pumps. So we're using that pump data to be able to to um compare to prior years. Okay. And so >> we also have projects coming down the pipeline to put like actual AMI meters on some of our raw water parks so that we can have like live data so that we can track them and put them in Nicole's amazing spreadsheet. >> And there's backward ways we do it. We know how long our clocks run >> and we know how many sprinkler heads are. I mean, how many gallons per >> time that they run. So we can again we could easily just turn things our clocks block by 10% and we could get that reduction too. >> Cool. >> And actually they can do it all from their phones now too. >> Well clearly this topic struck a nerve and and there was a lot of interest and engagement which is fantastic. I love to see it. >> Water's cool. >> Water is so important. >> I want to just do one more quick round from uh for the board just to see if anybody else wants to ask questions or make comments on this topic. I just want to say thank you for all you're doing. I This sounds like quite the puzzle and I'm super excited that all of these cool projects are happening. So, thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Can I have a copy of the presentation cuz I didn't bring things to take notes on? >> We can send it to send it to David and he can or his team can send it off to you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. And please follow up with additional questions. We're happy to come back and report back out to anytime you have question anytime you have a >> period. Hope and I can leave our card and you can um you're free to leave some here if you want to think of something after the fact and want to reach out. Happy to talk to anybody anytime. >> Great. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Sorry to take >> Thanks for letting us hear first. >> Oh my gosh. >> Appreciate it. Yeah, >> we are going to move on. Uh >> thanks Nicole. >> Thank you Nicole. Yes. Thank you. We are back up at old business uh with the new recreation center status. Uh Ben, >> it's happening. Let's move on. >> I have 15. >> When you say it's happening, what does that mean? Tell us more. I know. I know. >> So, in uh late June, uh we came to an agreement with the YMCA on a price at uh $4.5 million. and we went to council and council uh gave direction to move forward with the process of a purchase that uh the mayor could sign on so that we didn't necessarily it's our belief we actually don't need to go back again because we they included that that the mayor could sign the agreement um in July we worked on the uh what was it property sales agreement >> yeah purchase purchases agreement yeah PSA which with the PSA, but um and that is in negotiations right now. Um we we had it we went through our adjustments to it. We sent it to the YMCA. They have sent it back and it is now in our uh outside council. >> Correct. >> Sent to our outside council concerning concerning uh reality. And so we expect that back I think soon commenting on their comments trying to come to a consensus. There were a couple things on there I think that we we'll need to kind of work through. >> Um in the meantime we are working we working with title company and that is in their hands and there are some title issues that need to be worked out before we will move forward. We it has to be a clean title >> and that's all on the YMCA to clear that title. >> That is on the YMCA to do that. So, they need to work with the title company that we're we're paying for the title company, but they're they need to work with them or that's we won't continue to move forward until that's taken care of. There are some things they have to do. Um, and we've also we have appropriations coming up um this month, I believe, next week or the following week to this to this month to be approved so that the the money is moved from the wreck impact fee to a usable fund for us. Um, and at that point we can move forward with closing once those things are covered. And we're targeting early September and we'll see. We're kind of in the we're working towards that. In the meantime, we also are working on our RFP and Stephanie is being the greatest person ever helping us out uh with the best value approach uh for that RFP. Um and also Sharice Montgomery who was formerly on this board. Um she is she's going to be the the project manager for this project which is amazing and we're very excited for that. So we really hope to when we close we put the RFP out almost immediately. That is our plan. I think we're on track for that. So um what else? >> I think you covered it. I think the other thing we tried council made it really easy for us so that when they approved that they approved appropriate us moving forward appropriations and then when it comes back the mayor just has to sign it so it does not have to go back to council for it >> and we get keys. And there are some a few other things working with some equipment in there. Um the office equipment, things like that that we really haven't quite worked through. The fitness equipment, some main thing, and we do have a plan for that. We have a listing of what they had. We're actually going to purchase some stuff they had on lease that will be a pretty good deal for us. Um and that's going to be a separate thing after this is completed. So, so we're moving forward and >> what's in the RFP. >> What's a renovation of things that have to occur? >> So, they're all mandatory things or there >> Oh, there's that's a good question. Yeah. So, so >> okay, >> last October and then in December, we we went through with Asenza did a >> an evaluation of the site with a 10-year plan for it. year one, which is essentially pre-opening, year two to five, year six to 10. And so we have worked with that, manipulated that. We are still working through it. But that's what the plan is is basically year one and then potentially items from year two to five. That would be priority >> and that'll all depend on how the money lays out. So that's we basically they're going to get that plan or that evaluation all the contractors and that's what we go off of. And so that they'll see that they'll they'll know the money. >> It'll be design build >> design build >> and we'll tell them what our budget is and this is the assessment that was done which includes you know an engineer's probable cost. So not quite like a contractor would. and then identifying prioritizing the mustos in order to make the building safe down to the least of our the bottom of the list is more of the aesthetic improvements that makes it feel new and different. >> Um but they're better to inform us aside from this general guideline that we have like what can we really do for this money because we have a set amount of money and so we just want to get the best value with that money that we can. Did that answer your question? Or is it We're dancing around it. Do you think? >> I have a followup question, but I want to look at the uh rest of the board. Might not uh uh take up all the airspace. >> I I guess so. I've not been into the YMCA in the 10 years I've lived here. So, is it I understand there's a pool in in there that needs work, right? >> The pool's The pool's okay. That's the roof. >> The roof. Okay. >> Yeah, the roof system. The roof entirely. That will be >> that's like the number one thing >> half of the entire budget new structure. >> Wow. >> Okay. And then the rest of the facility is it weight room or their fitness rooms or I don't know what's in there. And they have actually have really large um weight room areas which that's probably from our point of view as far as portfolio are the most exciting thing because the recreation center weight room area is quite small and so is the memorial building in Centennial. So they have a pretty large area. Um that's is a double gym so not quite as big as the rec center gym. So, think of two courts as opposed to this one with a pretty large outside. The build the envelope itself is pretty big. There are >> two raet ball courts that are not used as raetball courts and there's some decisions to be made there. There's a fitness room relatively small. Um, a child watch area. Uh, >> indoor track. >> Indoor track and >> outdoor sports field. >> Yeah, outdoor sports field with a nice pavilion. the growing gardens which we're we're actually meeting with them >> Thursday >> Thursday or so to talk about that. We certainly intend for that to >> continue. Um and then a whole child care side. >> Yeah. So, so that's there's an entire childcare that is continually running right now >> and that the plan is for that to continually stay open >> as much as possible and we are intending to work with the YMCA for approximately the next year. We will do an agreement with them once we close on the on the building for a period of time and at the end of that agreement we'll we'll assess what we do at that point. Uh but the intent is to keep that open during construction um the entire time if possible. >> So they're they're still managing the child care on. Okay. >> It's it's running. >> I bet the parents are kind of freaking out right now though. >> Well, they don't need to freak out. >> No, but you know, they're like, "Oh gosh, what's going to be happening?" You know, because seems like a lot of unknowns sometimes. >> Yeah. I mean, we don't we don't know that it'll be able to run the entire time. >> We don't know that. >> Sounds like the roof structures. Yeah, but we do that >> that side of the building is does not have a lot in the in our report. So >> the it's specifically the nitorium roof over the pool which is the one that needs to have. >> So there I mean there may be days where where there's cranes at work and they they do are not able to be in there but in general we certainly hope that they'll be able to stay in there as long as possible. And >> I think the raet ball comment actually was really a good segue into my my fault which was uh we don't know what to do with the raet ball. Maybe it's a pickle ball. I'm just going to throw that out there. But where is uh so if we were to have been developing a new plan to build a net new recreation center, we would have had public input as part of that process, right? That's not necessarily happening here. We're kind of just making the status quo >> for at least the first five years. >> I let's call it use that number as good as any >> 15 years later because there's not enough money to change. >> Yeah. I think you said exactly what I was wondering. We said we we didn't ask you question. It was the stuff that we're going to do is stuff that has to be done. I'm going to tell you working with rec professionals there are so many things they want to do and there's not money for that at this point. >> Right. I mean, but you know, and as far as the I'll call it a want to, but from our perspective marketing wise like paint and updating locker rooms and things like that that >> make >> they're they're on the priority on the first year because they make a huge difference. If the building looks exactly like when folks walked out of it in February when they go back in, that's not an optimal situation. And so those would be the priorities and that's really we're not it wouldn't be changing anything but putting new lockers or a new floor or you know these things that could really make a >> an aesthetic impact. >> Structurally um there will be I I think what to do with the with the raetball courts as is a question. >> I would like I would love to blow the wall out and create a large fitness room. That would be my initial thought, right? Not final thought, but that's there's no money for that. >> Well, even the study or to understand what the public need is was not there's no budget for that either, right? Like >> no. No. >> So, >> I mean, that's something where we could see if voters will fund these extra things and that would be different. But right now, money's tight every year. Well, we've heard members of the public come before this board and before council >> to talk about this particular project and about bigger projects like in different locations. I don't want to go too deep into the weeds with this as we're still in some degree of negotiations. Uh, I think it's uh it's there's some other opportunities to make things happen in that side of town which might even make people feel good about where the city is. uh with its uh recreational plans. I think that as much as I hear people talk about not buying a used car, uh it's still kind of one of those situations where I think there's a need and we want to make sure that it's a we're getting the best for our dollar and the city has a certain level of of what they require our recreational facilities that operate at and be in condition. So, we have to keep those things in mind. I think that leads into your your uh new business uh six seeds. When you get a chance to take a look at some of these things, I think there'll be some, you know, things to to talk about and look at and consider. >> Random kind of thought idea because I think I saw this. We were talking about field trips that might be later. Um, if you all do end up closing in early September on the property, could PRA go and tour? >> That's that's actually ahead to do that. >> Oh, okay. >> We we can we can go just need to >> I would love to just be able to visualize what >> Yeah. >> So, we'll get pass. It's not that big of a just closed. >> Just closed. >> Yeah. >> So, >> yeah. >> All right. >> Um I had one question. So, the you mentioned the like the preschool uh daycare that's still separate and >> but then child watches inside the terminal use just to separate it. Babysitting >> same as the recreation center. >> Okay. >> So, that will be run by you guys. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a non-licensed specific. That's the difference between a child watch and a child care from my point of view. >> Yeah, I'm sure you I I know you put in your numbers from revenue and it's a lot to process for somebody who doesn't deal with it all the time. Um, but when you saw when they closed in February and you saw a big uptick in recreation numbers, right? >> We saw eight. >> Eight. Okay. >> Honestly, it wasn't as big as I had hoped for. Uh, silver sneakers wise, it was a a really nice boost. Um, beyond that, not as much as we had before. >> Okay. Just long term. So, obviously, it's going to be closed for a substantial amount of time anyway to renovate. How do you plan on basically getting essentially new customers then to fill another facility if they didn't leave the world? >> Ben, is David asking this again? >> What's that? >> Ben's like, is David asking this question? >> I It is a big question. >> I I think it's a valid question and I I think that has to do with >> initial marketing. It has to do with the condition of a new facility very much so. Um, it has to do with the fact that we we know that recreation as far as workouts, things like that are all about convenience. And so for folks on that side of town, >> um, it works for them and it will be it will be a nice facility up to city standards. Um, a lot of people went to Vassa and that's great. Looks like a really nice facility to me, but you know, we think some of those folks will come back to us. At least history tells us that if Gold's Gem is an example of such a thing. Um, so there's a whole variety of factors and a part of it is time in developing that. The city certainly can support a facility like that now right away supporting it financially and us making the revenue that we hope to make. It's a tough one. It's a tough one and we'll talk about that as as we start to get close. Our timeline um roughly lays us out to let's call it first to second quarter 2028 >> is is what we're looking at >> um based on well >> when you're going to so when the money when the money equals out is 2020. >> Okay. In what what years you >> that was 28 open but as far as the money equal that's something Ben is we've been pretty clear throughout all our comms that with our 80% recovery you do not expect to hit 80% recovery first year second year >> third year >> yeah and that's what I yeah >> I mean I think there's always a demand for pool so >> you know that there's there's not enough pool space in any city basically >> what is the size of the pool in there >> it's eight weddings 25 yard. >> We're going to get six lanes through the water. >> Is going to go missing. >> He's just a little shallower. >> Just a little bit shallower. >> That makes more sense. >> Yeah, >> I'm excited to see it. I'm excited. I think this will be a really good ad for our city. So, and this this is kind of a broader longer term question I guess and I guess you alluded to it, but how does this impact, you know, like obviously it's been on the ballot to have a new facility with a bigger aquatic center and ice rinks and more, you know, something new for the community. So, how does buying this impact plans? >> This was a unique uh case. We had money that and maybe you can help me with this Ben Dave. We had money that had to be spent and it was not could not be spent on other things. So >> can't be spent rehab or >> you hear us. Yeah. If you hear us dancing around because you said I like the fact that if we bought a Safeway, we had to develop that building into a new Longmont rec center. So the dollars we have were were for development. So we can't repair, we can't replace. We couldn't use these dollars to upgrade or repair the existing rec center. So you'll hear us trying to really avoid and we can't keep in the bank. So you'll hear us trying to avoid the our words like repair, replace, restore, renew. We're we're developing a new Longmont facility in this existing structure. >> So that's that's the critical component right there. So it was and it was kind of in a place where it was use it or lose it and and and so that's why the choice was considered >> as far as the other side of things. you know, once this is in place, then I think we're in a position to maybe start talking about, you know, the greater need. And for a larger facility like we've, you know, explored in the past, I think there was a unique situation. It was the perfect storm of terrible things to happen for recreation and other things. And that was when two years ago when uh when everybody's assessment went up dramatically and it really smacked some people very very hard and because of that that was uh any sort of new taxes on something that really the community has said over and over and over again that it really does want and we know from from our our re outreach that uh that the location where we were considering it was was the spot. It just didn't resonate with people because of how how hard people got hit by their reassessment. I think we try to time this more specifically to a time either a year after a re-evaluation, >> we might have better luck and not and to um uh Sharon Olri's point, not trying to tie a be everything to everybody, not put in a a library component. I mean uh you know the extra library that's why the rec center got smaller a facility that you know like the lanes were always considered a little bit too small and everything for the swimming lanes and so those sort of things if we play things right on this we're going to be in a good position to to argue that the city knows what to do with the money when we do develop these sort of things and it'll but is kind of a a hard one when we when we're trying to to sell it right after a huge change in the assessments or raise property taxes. I guess my question is also more around just like the public appetite for doing this now and then also or is it going to >> I think there's there's going to be a period of time we've got to get this facility operating optimally >> before that next thing is looked at. I would like to think having seen our past two mistakes that were made and how they were formed um or timing was another big thing. Um I would like to think that one of one of the things we heard we kept hearing a lot well it's way over there. Well now we're getting as a city something that's over here. So we will have a larger facility over here. So, I'd like to think of people being altruistic and saying, "All right, well, we do have something over here." And so, I'm I'm I recognize that people on that side of town do not have a recreation facility. And our mix of what goes in that next facility, you know, let's let's say it ends up on the west side where we proposed before, will be somewhat different because of what we have here now. I I don't know what it'll look like. I'm not I mean, I could probably figure it out in half an hour. Um, so that's kind of how I see it over but it the next few years, but it's going to take some time >> after we open this facility before I think we'd be comfortable going out again. It'll probably be somebody that's not me. >> Um, yes. Yeah, that'll How do we go about telling the public that piece that this is money that's not like that couldn't be used towards? So the piece go another piece maybe you gave to is it could have been used towards a brand new giant sparkly recreation facility but we had $8 million in this account. >> Yeah. Yeah. And a new facility. 4 at this point which we actually hope to grow a little bit by the time we get to >> and a brand new facility would have cost >> 70 75 million. >> So this is not even close. >> Exactly. So we get a new we developed a new rec center. thankful about it. There is no doubt this is worth it. There is no doubt. Um from my point of view, it's you need to be able to support it as a community to make it be successful. Valuewise, absolutely. This is a good deal. I mean, the land is worth at least that much. So >> I think with marketing and serving people like definitely looking at the population that lives around that the area will be pretty key. >> How it's painted and all that stuff like yeah that's going to be a big deal. >> All right. Good questions. Okay. We're going to move on. I wanted the field trip, but I'm I'm a rules follower. That was the word. So, we'll come back to that, I guess. Uh, hindsight, it's 2020. We're going to move on to the sheltering drill review in future plans. >> We can keep this one nice and simple, I think. Um, so >> 2013 was the last time we did a live sheltering drill. Two months before the flood >> and then we did shelter. >> Wow. >> Um, it was it was quite the timing. It was really good that we had it and we had no appetite for a very long time to do another sheltering drill, frankly. Um, but we finally worked around to it this year. Uh, in April, April 8th, we had a uh full building sheltering drill. Uh, folks from um, a lot of folks from recreation, some folks from senior center. Um, >> you say full building, memorial building, >> memorial building, St. B memorial building. uh folks from museum, library, um all chipped in because they'll all be a part of sheltering in one way or the other. So, uh David and I um started working on this last fall really um on coming up with a date and putting this together and with some amazing help from our AI overlords, we came up with with some really good plans and uh we had a really nice I think a really good drop. It was a really It was a good day. It was a nice day, which makes it nice. I think we had 40 people or so. We did two sessions um where uh what did we It was a fire. There was a fire and we had folks coming in. So, we had people that were actors coming in. Um, some of them were very dramatic. And then we had uh, yeah, she was and then we had our staff um, doing positions um, working working positions, putting a C or a few CS up. Um, scenarios would happen. They would need to deal with them. Um, it I was very proud of how our staff did. I know because I was here that recreation staff would be up for the task when it happens. But to be able to do that and have people feel I think kind of a feel of what it's like to some extent at least um I thought it was a very positive day. So I just wanted to kind of tell you guys it was something and after that something we really enjoyed. After that we are I put together a committee that involves somebody from museum, library, children and youth services, senior center and then recreation. um that we're going to meet quarterly or bianually. Um and we do intend to do something every year. It not won't necessarily be a full building drill. It could be an online thing. It could be a seminar. It could be a round table, but we're going to do something every year to keep the momentum going to where we're all more comfortable with the nomenclature um the processes, the sort of things that will happen. Um knowing that it will never be exactly like what we talk about. One thing I'd add was that um Ben is right. It went very well. The one things I was a little concerned about after the fact is I think one reason it went really well. Ben, Jeff, Veronica, Suel, there people are there in 2013 who actually went through this. I think people lean down on them a lot maybe too much. And that's what I'm ready to see what it's going to look like when we don't have those individuals who've been there. So I think really that next generation to step up and say Ben's not here, Jeff's not here. Um Suella's not here. who's going to step in and take those leadership roles. So, I think it's part of thing that Ben and I will be working on is in those quarterly sort of meetings, who are those other people who are going to feel comfortable stepping in when they can't just look to Jeff and say, "What do I do now?" >> And you know, for example, um Chris Car, Sarah Taylor are two of our area supervisors um really stepped forward in the drill that they did and and were leaders in that. They're they're leaders in the areas they already oversee. But um those are good examples of folks who will be the ones in charge eventually knowledge. >> Exactly that you have to keep >> and Sarah was here. She's here for >> although Sarah wasn't back. >> So that's any questions about that? I was actually going to ask uh how do you make sure that this can be re done by by other individuals. >> Yeah, we're going to try Well, it's my intent to hold the momentum and and keep this on people's sides. We have I we've got good emergency services folks. They meet every >> I I'm part of that team, too. So, this you know, we work that this is like this level here. We work with the schools. We work with the Red Cross. We work with Boulder County. We work with trans public works. All those roles that have a piece in it. Sheltering is just one piece of a much bigger picture, right? >> So, we we do that. We're starting our tabletop drills this Thursday actually for that group as well. >> There's a bigger bigger picture than just us, but we know when the time comes, we'll all be there. >> Let's talk about the field trip. >> Yes. So, field trip. It's that time of year. You have the wrong idea. >> I'd like to go see, >> you know, that's a good idea. >> A little head. A little exciting. >> No, it was really nice. I'm glad you're excited about it. >> Some paint. >> Yeah. >> Can supplies. We all can pick the pink color, right? >> We'd like to do the the And by the way, it is now called the new recreation center from our point of view. >> Okay. >> Um, >> do you have an idea of what it I know it's called Quail Quail Campus, right? >> Made Jeff mad today. I called it the F FRC Recreation Center. >> Oh boy. >> He didn't like that. >> Um, no, we have no >> question. We don't have, you know, parking. There's a process. I think it's something that you we've talked about. It could be a very we can make that a public process. We can make it a drawing. We can do you know >> there are a bunch of ways. >> There's a bunch of ways you could do it. But I think engage because we're not doing a bunch of public engagement for >> we have to replace a roof. How do you want to vote on that with your sticking to maybe the naming is someplace we can get some engagement >> the correct thing. >> I like that. >> I know. I was thinking about when they did that with the snowflows. >> Yeah. Well, they they do it all the time. Like I think they Yeah, I think that'd be good. also, you know, like paint colors, just like so things like that. >> Um, so I'd also like to propose that we go to Centennial Pool. Um, because Centennial Pool is we have not there's not been a decision made on whether that facility will open, stay open, or or will close. Um, so we're exploring options on that. And so I'd like you guys to take a look at we can show you the >> the the good and the good and the bad and the ugly, frankly. >> Yeah. I think you know council here and others that's I I like being as honest as we can but the numbers we ran all have Centennial closed to make it work too. So as we look at Centennial it's going to be some real decisions have to be made because the way Ben ran those numbers is that Centennial staff would be moving down there. You can't just close a building down and have no cost but some of those those facilities cost down there. That's the way this was really kind of written. So, um, we know there's Centennial has a huge following and people use that, but there's going to be real dollars that we have to figure out how we make that work then, too. And this will help you guys kind of understand that as well. >> Centennial does not make money. I mean, it does not cannot not in any current form of what it does. It's just >> that's not something that can happen. That doesn't mean it's not a great pool that's heavily used. It is. It is for sure. I like it actually better than sunset for the clarity of the water >> and and since we've redone the plaster in there. I mean that's it. The pool tank itself is in great shape. It is really great shape. >> But I like you guys swim lessons we've done there have been better in my opinion. So I don't know what all that goes into that but I it's been nice. is that so you've mentioned the revenue is not it's not going to ever break even but the does that mean selling that facility or selling that >> those are all things that we'll be talking about and council will have some options put before them if they wanted do that but right now I say no no funds decisions are made but the numbers we ran are without centennial >> yeah those are I mean we did very originally we put the proposal here's what it is with centennial here's without and the there are some options that we're looking at at this point. So, so yeah, I mean, do we want to do this for the next meeting? I think would be the question. That's I feel like that's what we've traditionally timing >> because we can go in September. >> Yeah. >> About the >> We're not worried about dark because it'll be lights, >> right? >> Well, we're going to be in so it doesn't matter. >> Yeah. It's not the year to propose yet again my snowshoeing field trip. >> Do not be two trips. >> Being a huge snow pack this one, right? >> Yep. >> Well, I think we're going to get something at least out of this, you know, something. >> So, we'll we'll hold that uh the same time during the meeting for next month >> and we would meet here. or you just take a bus from here or we could meet there. I don't know. >> Yeah, there >> that's probably a lot easier. >> Yeah. So, if you want to plan to meet at the new recreation center um be closed closed deal. I don't It'll be It'll be close. We'll see. Let me get that. >> What if we did like a whole tour of the area where we also did the fire station? I mean, those are all wreck, right? Wash Lashley Street. >> Yeah. Like that's all wreck state like you know like >> actually Lashley belongs to um children services recreation some use of it. But yeah. >> Okay. I was thinking the one where they have the drumming. >> Um that's probably Lashley. >> Yeah. Okay. Just Okay. Or maybe we can look at the ball part, the ball fields and stuff like that. >> Yeah, I we can set up a >> we'll set up a whole plan and then I think we we'll base it the timing thing. We'll start on how long >> maybe we do we want to see the the new rec center and Centennio and then we have then we can start adding things or dropping things in between >> which by the way is we think in our minds something really cool that that whole block becomes >> Stephanie's got some good updates the whole city plan as well. So >> yeah, like it is a whole big it is basically now >> children complex that could be maximized in the future as just a pretty cool city. >> We meet with children and youth services tomorrow morning actually to talk about that that building and the opportunity that that provides for them. So, >> there was a conversation at one point at council about the money we were getting from the Bronco stadium deal uh putting some sort of dome over the track there and that I don't know where that money I can't remember what we never built that dome. >> So, but that that was a conversation too. Okay. Well, we'll we'll put that together. >> Great. Thanks. We'll just >> just give everybody a heads up, I guess, for uh Sam and uh >> we'll get you'll get the information. >> Okay. >> I'll get that. We'll get that over early. We'll get Sam before we do the pack. I'll just >> hopefully attend a quick straw poll. Attendance will be okay. >> It's the 14th. 14th. >> Yeah. This is a tough one for me, but I'll figure out how somebody out. I hope unless somebody quits >> in my team. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, I mean in my team like I won't be able to give a sub. All right. We are through that. We can go to the last item here before we go to the packup updates which is it's listed here as bylaws update discussion vote but I I've changed I've amended it from the top of this meeting to practical guide for board members. So my intent here is um you know reflecting on my experience over the board. I I will be you know uh not eligible to participate again next year. But to recap and and really put together a guide that I wish I had uh when I first started >> and uh to help me understand what the what our purpose is and how we should interact with each other and how we can um be effective and and uh uh yeah, I mean get some of those non-written rules down as well. we we sometimes kind of like uh just in you know it just happens you have you have to over time you have to you know learn them but really I think coming into it I think it you know be a good head start for new board members and I think it's also some good guidance for the future chair as well on how to um keep meetings on time and again getting members of board engaged so that's what I put together the way I'm thinking about it is um this is not something that would be it's not official by any means it's not part of the bylaw laws. Uh it's it's not a standard oper uh operating procedure. This is just a commitment that we can make as board members. It's an optional thing that we we can uh become signatories to this document if we if we agree to it. And it just means that we uh believe in these this mission and that um this is how we want to operate together. And it's kind of what I had in mind for this. So, it is um 10 pages, but I promise it's not dense and that uh thorough. So, I do a print out for it. We have a couple minutes. And I was not able to get into the uh packet earlier because life. But what I want to do here, if we can, if we're open to it, just take 10 minutes to read through silently and then we can come back for a little discussion if we're open to it. Okay? >> And then we can talk about it. We don't have to make any decisions here. There's no motion we need to make. is worried about recommendations for that because it's really just for us and for future board members. That's all it is. >> And if they don't like it, they can sack it. >> They don't have to sign. They don't have to participate. And and the other part too is as you're reading through it, um the idea is that this is a document that will evolve over time with your input. Um this is not, you know, written in by any means. So please, uh suggest edit or if I'm missing something, um uh you know, don't hesitate. All right, I will pass and thank you again for helping with printing these out. I will pass a stack of these down and uh I already read it. >> So I don't uh have some of these as well. I'm curious what your thoughts are. And again, um uh if you hate it, uh doesn't mean I can take it. Just tell the truth. >> I think it's a good idea. It's not my It's not my um imagination of that that we've gotten significantly less awkward than when when I started like >> you started not awkward. >> Yeah. >> No, like I No, I feel like the board as a whole was Hold on. Sorry public, but it was a lot more um awkward a place like communication wise. I feel like communication wise we've gotten >> better. That's great. >> Don't you think? >> I think so. Yeah. And so let's not lose all that work. >> I'm going to set the timer. Um I talked to Jeff a little bit about this today. Definitely in agreement. We do not want necessarily this connected like bylaws. Um, but I think it's probably something if you guys agree to it that you should vote on and >> yeah, >> put into the official document for the group. >> Okay. I would >> Yeah. I for us as we continue to give to new government, we can revise it if I think it's something that would help us as well. >> Yeah. >> Good. That's the intent. >> I mean, I I think it's it's I enjoyed it. Good at side for sure. >> Literally completely digested. >> Yeah, we want to get it out to them. Get it out. Yeah, we'll send it out to everybody and then include a couple we'll put a couple notes on just kind of what we talked about so Sam and Hannah can see it then >> and then we'll put it on the agenda for October. How's a baby? >> It's not a baby anymore. It's a monster. >> That doesn't change. started off first days 29,000 for August. >> Oh, very good. >> So, it'll help cuz starting today ahead. >> How do we how do you feel your numbers and Melody's numbers? Did I schedule the meeting with Melody or do we? >> No, but I have the I sent you the report. >> Are we in alignment with her? Do you think I don't know if I did? explaining what we actually do. >> Okay. So, I don't budget wise nobody's as I haven't had any discussion about that. So, >> do you think the numbers Melody was concerned about reflect the numbers we're seeing >> the revenue side? >> Oh, yeah. I get where they're coming from. Okay. It's it's bad. when they get $150,000, we're in good shape. But budget went up $135,000 next year. So our budget didn't change. Okay. And even my next year, you know, I added 21. I moved that from 10. So I didn't even add anything. all the way down today. >> What's that? >> Center. >> Yeah. >> All the way down. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. That was scheduled for two to three days. So, >> okay. >> Cameras like three. >> Very cool. Remember when this room used to be freezing? >> Yeah, >> I miss that. >> I do too. I know. >> Just the right temperature. I just need air. >> Just a little fan. >> Looks like we're still on the final page. I acknowledge that it's a lot to try to read in 10 minutes for a discussion. >> Would you want a little bit more time to look at it? >> Told you like maybe Much nicer. Give it another minute. See the final pages. >> Speaking Yes, you know. perspective. That's my good. Okay. Involves probably just figure out what we just Oh, really? >> Do we have anyone else? >> Veronica, who's going to do the Spanish one? >> Someone else to the city or whatever. I I can go through it, but it takes a little longer, but I can run through it. But it's a lot she >> very very very >> um I am hiring someone at night. >> I might be able to help a little bit more. >> We can also refer to Janette. What might we do to >> Yeah, >> I don't want to lose lose our service. >> But we have Janette. So on Saturday, we're just going to need to >> communicate our needs for >> she only works on Saturdays. >> She want to come out like a Tuesday night and check the line or Wednesday. >> She could use my office. >> I don't know. just >> Yeah, I can take it. >> I'm freaked out. >> All right, I'm gonna cut us off here because we have uh just a couple more minutes. We have a couple more times to go through. >> Thank you for running your notes. I just before we get started in the discussion, um just want to call out that this we can look at this again in October. So, next month we'll have the the field trip. Um but we also want to make sure that uh Hannah and Hannah have an opportunity to look at this and comment on it. Um, but still would love your feedback and ideas on uh how what to add, what to remove. You think this entire project is silly? Tell me how you're really feeling. Who wants to go first? >> Okay. >> Uh, one excellent. I love it. Um, so I think it's, you know, it's needed, I think, for a lot of committ. So, I I think um one of the things of like off the bat like just going through my couple of notes. >> Yeah. >> Um we use open space capital O capital S open space >> like I think we have to be really careful of that because lowercase open space is like empty lots. >> Exactly. And so we got to make sure we specify what real open space is first and then say that that's part of this committee that doesn't use the word open space in it. So right >> that's a big part of what we talk about. >> Um yeah that should be in there. Um you have a couple lists that have things that are kind of mixed. Um the represent the public. You have like types of people and then it goes into user groups. I would say either or I would say just user groups and then um because like you have families with young children families with older children it's just kind of interesting that's under two um >> okay >> uh so I I would go to user groups probably more so in terms of um things like that >> that's specifically what area just >> yeah there's other two represent >> okay got it >> in for think long term is that you had this question what would might wish it had done 10 20 years from now. The word the phrase population growth doesn't fit the rest of this list. Um it's it's a it's a factor but it's not should we have >> it doesn't really make much sense. Yeah. In hindsight yeah >> um >> removing that. >> Yeah. So uh >> I was thinking more of like yeah I ask it after I did the list. So okay. All right. Um, so in the conducting efficient board meetings, the first thing I wrote to myself was read the packets beforehand and then you get to it as chair and vice chair, but not as like a member. And that's where the person who's going to read this is going to be a member. And I think, you know, it says understand each agenda item, but it doesn't it's about what you expected to do. Maybe you should start with you should be expected to read the packet and have an idea of what to expect and especially read through what staff has been doing because we're asked to like ask questions about those things that sort of thing. >> So I think that's part of that being prepared sort of part because time someone gets to be a chair or vice chair um I think a little bit more. I you know I'm looking at it too section two your contributions as a board member it's the quality of our meeting depends heavily on whether we prepare a rather prepared at minimum we should review the agenda and supporting materials but it doesn't necessarily say it's not as explicit as I am with the chair >> yeah exactly yeah >> there's some editing there I can do >> yeah I guess I I like the chair part of it better >> better so good um >> yeah those so Um those might comments but >> yeah like at a high level my two cents otherwise like it'd be great that someone coming in has like a preview of like how do budgets work or how do master plans work or how do you like understand that like a 20 year plan may take 40 years to implement like I mean just because we approved something doesn't mean we couldn't fund it like there's like fundamental issues that I think a lot of people come to the This is my near the end of my second six year term. He said that's the thing that seems to strike me over and over again. People are like, "Oh, we back. >> We got a plan." He's like, "Oh, yeah, but we have no money." So, that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that we're going to do this anytime soon. So, um >> Scott, you're you're so right. There should be a almost like a technical section where we go into um those kinds of issues like capital projects and what's the timeline for that? Um, I I really like that idea, but I I don't know. I might need help from staff to some of that. >> Yeah. And that may and that may be higher level like if you did a packet that's right every not that you specifically >> Yeah, I like that too. Like a terminology of like for us this is what open state like this is what this means. This is how we define open space with our purview. >> Um, because a lot of people are coming in not working. >> I wasn't me either. Right. >> And then in a two in a like a like a two cent thing is I know everybody got restructured um recently but it would be great for a newbie to understand who where everybody is in the chart. >> An or chart. Yeah. >> We're getting good at that. >> It's an or chart per year, right? >> So yeah, on the back of this that's a work chart. How about also a list of terms and acronyms? >> Um, sometimes people speak pretty jargony. >> Yeah. >> Um, people are like, "Oh, you know that this because I'm in finance, you know what, you know, POS means and I know what I think POS means. >> It is not point of sale." Yeah. Or whatever. But like, yeah, that would be that would be fabulous because Okay. >> Like I'm confident in my intelligence, but sometimes the discussions go over my head because I have a different >> Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. I feel that too. >> Yeah. Um, great. >> I also think that getting used to, and like this isn't to replace the bylaws, but to again maybe in the glossery put how we would structure votes >> of like bringing something seconding voting and just kind of what the process is because that was strange my first day if I'm being honest. Um, >> I'm not saying we need to re write in Robert's law or anything like that, but or >> like it could be an agenda like it could be part of a glossery, I guess, but um just kind of normalizing that because this is a very unique place that we do. >> Yeah, I think like there is a city guide I think a city guide to boards that we could have link to. >> Link it. Yeah, >> that's like the train we are all have in front of us, which is more like the Robert's rules and order of >> I think that's that's so valuable that um when we do those as well, but for me it didn't quite scratch the itch of um like the itch of like what we actually do. >> So, I wanted something comp. But I hear you. I think um normalized night languages because it's not it sounds intimidating at birth. It's really like >> it's super easy. Yeah, >> it's also, you know, we we follow all these rules um because they create order and structure, but if we're able to have a environment of respect, we can kind of, you know, bend the rules or be a little more casual around them until we need to the structure again. Maybe people talking over each other, you know, uh something like that, then we would need to impose them back. But >> is there another item? >> No. Okay. >> I mean, and and on that that is another item. Okay. because we we in here it says a couple times just avoid repeating what other people say but we to show agreement but we have no way of showing agreement and um so we could think like well really Bry's the only one that thinks that prairie dogs should have tutus and we all think prairie dogs should have tutus we need like maybe you know thumbs up snap snap you know >> I like what the this is the new Clock it. >> Clock it. >> Okay. >> You know. Okay. >> Yeah. You're You're in. >> You know, like that. I I like that. >> I like that. That's a really good idea. >> Yeah. >> Hey. Um, as the newest board member, I think I I really like this idea because it's definitely a lot confusing. I haven't served on a different board either, so I'd have no notion of what goes into that. Definitely was unsure of how to like make a motion. Second, all the very basics of what that looks like. Um, and you pick it up obviously, but still a little odd the first time around. Um, but how do you actually like get this to? So you have a new person starting in January and then it's like I feel like this should be given to that new board member across you know all boards and like here are these rules here are where you find the parks and rep master plan or here you know here's >> do you think this is something I it' be easy for us to say yeah that's something we could just give but say the city does have a little packet you guys get the trainings and stuff does it feel more comfortable coming from that introduction from the chair but this is or this was developed by us for us or we're happy to do it either way, >> but I I I just wonder if there's a little bit of, you know, city part, but this is what we've kind of learned over time. So, I don't know. Did you have a thought on that? >> I I Yeah, it's something that I thought about actually. So, I I like the idea of it being something that we have as as board members, right, that we pass along to each other. Um I don't know if that will actually net out that way if over time it'll just get lost or maybe it's less interesting and so I would see you know staff as uh >> the consistency uh >> what if this was on our PB page >> like >> I mean that document >> drinking from the fire hose It was a m moment that members feel like they're with all the acronyms to your point uh and to the point of of little things I think it it's almost like something that if I had this handed to me this this literal gift of love for the board uh I think I would take it a lot more serious and reading through it and going no but from staff because the point is is that we can't guarantee that that you you know, the next chair. I think with your corrections and everything, that's something that just makes somebody feel like, oh, I I see this from a council point of view, it's something that we should emulate and other uh uh boards and commissions and to the point that, you know, our our city staff here, you know, Ben and David will tell you that, you know, we're having a tough time trying to get people to join. And if this was something that somebody said, "Yeah, this is one of the first things I got from from city staff to talk about the expectations," it would probably make the whole board feel less daunting >> to there other people say, "Oh, is that what they expect you to do? I can do that." >> But it's part of that educational process. you know, we're having a showing of join or die uh which is the Robert Putnham documentary about uh from based around his book bowling alone. And it's this idea of where our culture has has deteriorated remarkably is on the idea of joining clubs and organizations and and boards and commissions and things like that. And if you haven't seen it, look for it on Netflix. It's so worth worthwhile >> because this this would help ease people into it along with having the acronyms and having the the the the hierarchy of staff and who to contact and then things like that but making people feel connected and you know I I think this is wonderful. >> Great. Thank you for the feedback. On your point, Linda, I think that from what I've always seen, it's gotten a little closer than that, that making time for board members to get to know each other is something that we've gotten better at, but we've always been lacking. And it's vital to to group function. like the group a group functions so much better when there's a chord >> and there's like so we're doing better and I think that actually should be and with um I mean you do a really good job of making us feel relaxed and and I think like Hannah was one of the first people to come in and and she'll repeat what she does you know she'll repeat it so I do this exactly for the city and it really helps me focus on why am I listening to Hannah, you know, like I don't Yeah, I I think that's people we don't necessarily know each other as well as we should. And so I think that I should be on there and but we know each other a lot better than the board did three years ago. So we are doing great. Maybe that's the January meeting is going through this getting to know each other and see you know introduce ourselves >> how we utilize parks, recreation, open space and >> what we do in our, you know, alter egos, >> right? Our >> Yeah. Start off with new members have to do a presentation about >> that would really helpbody. Well, all members have to do a presentation about the >> Well, everybody's new at some point. >> Yeah. But I mean, but it's really intimidating as a new member to walk in and not have any idea what like >> who they are and what they come from and >> especially because I was the newest before you came in. Um there's people continuing and so they know each other already and then you're just the new person and you're like what is happening? So I think yeah knowing what the words are the terminology norming really norming in January would be beautiful. >> I will say we're going to break our first norm because we are at 8:30 and that we are officially u running out of time. So we probably need to extend a few minutes just to go through the last couple items. >> Can we table this and come back and knock it over? >> I love it. >> Take these home with you if you'd like to >> or unless you want them out. Okay. Okay. >> I got I mean I wrote it all down. >> Great. Yeah. I mean that is uh >> meeting by 15 minutes. Do I have a second? >> I do not. >> Second. All those in favor. >> All those opposed. The motion passes. >> Okay. >> But can I can I bail? >> Yeah. I mean nobody's gonna like >> fire me. >> You're a volunteer. >> All right. Let's let's finish this off. Uh discuss items from the packet. Did anybody have items from the packet they want to go through? >> Scott, please. >> I have two. Uh one is dry creek trail extension. Um I I was under the assumption we were going to be pretty long. >> Yeah, we're waiting on those easements. So Sam's Club is taking a long time to review because we need to go like past them where that trail ends and then out. And so, um, Alex on the transportation engineering team is overseeing all of that work and then he's working on the RFP to get that out. And whenever it's awarded, at least on my team is going to oversee the construction side. That's all that we're waiting on. It's just the East Mall >> and then it'll take six months to build it. >> Okay. I've been on the board for six years. We talked about it. >> I know. >> But it's designed. It's just it's that one piece that we can't move forward expectations that when people come on say I'm going to get an ice rink built on this. >> Yeah. >> So, but is is it slightly different that that's why we need >> No, it's some of it was the way finding piece that is for the signage packages going through there. Um and I think it was actually the way finding piece. Yeah. Of that to get people to the trail. >> Okay. >> So, we're ready as soon as it happens. We're ready. We've It'll go. >> Okay. >> But on happier news across the street. >> Yeah, >> it's going to be done. >> Yeah, that's good. That's great. Yeah, that I mean there's a lot of other stuff that's is great. I don't usually end up just saying it once, but there are a lot of great ones. Um the other one, the pedestrian bridging system, which is great because bicycle gets a lot of feedback of it's too bumpy before bridges all the time. There's been a couple places where little bits of asphalt have been kind of snuck in as ramps. Is that part of the assessment of where? >> So, we had to identify 16 of our worst known bridges for this assessment. And so, we leveraged the park zone staff where they knew of issues. >> Okay. >> As well as others that we had heard from just from links and whatnot. Um, I can certainly get you the list of bridges if you'd like to see. We're getting ready to award it to the vendor that was selected. Um, the contract is currently with them for any additional exceptions or changes. And then we're ready to get going on the assessment. And then that assessment is going to inform our bridge next bridge projects. Um, which we put in two, it depends on what the scopes are. If we can reuse existing bridges that we have stored, if the sizes work, we can get the projects, you know, moving forward faster and get more projects done because it takes less money. But we plan for two projects about a million dollars each. That is assuming we need to buy new bridges and make new bridges um over the next four years. But we may be able to do those sooner. >> That's kind of a new thought. >> Okay. Yeah. Most of the complaints we get are not really new bridges. It's just like >> and like replacement bridges. >> Replacement bridges. It's more like where you're like most frequently that might be able to be handled through the concrete program. >> Okay. >> In le of the bridges because the bridges were really looking at the abupments and the bridge the structures themselves. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Like garden acres and we just replace that one. Right. >> Which had plywood covering the holes. >> Yeah, that was pretty obvious. >> That was an easy >> Yeah, so um Okay, sure. I'll see that. >> Thanks. >> I had one question. Uh St. Greenway phase 12. So Golden Ponds to PE crossing. I'm just a little confused about where where is that going and why is what how's that different from how it already goes to road. >> So lyens go. So you want to talk I mean it's >> it's a it's >> we explain why you're talking in >> it um it's a connection from Golden Ponds over to county open spaces where it's going to go. It's going to go over to airport road and then tie in and go up to the Macintosh area but also tie in to Pelons. So the way that Stephanie was involved in this was during the I don't know what is it sale of the properties what but there's dedication from all the land owners between golden ponds >> warranty deeds >> it was a warranty deeds that did that so there is this dedication of land that land really sit in areas that I think is from natural resource point of view and stuff is always in it'sn't the best habitat it's areas that we prefer not to go so one of the things is why would we put a new trail and spend the money when we could potentially use the one that the lyens belch trail basically to get you to airport road. The problem is you come up on the other side of the road and then you have to get across St. Brain Road somehow >> and then you have to get across St. Brain Creek >> and then you have to continue up. If you go down here, they basically have an easement from the Zet family that would put you underneath the existing bridge and you would come up on the other side of the creek on the right side of the creek. And the way it comes from Golden Ponds right now, it's on the north side of the creek. Okay. >> So that's so you have the your you have your piece of what we talked about. We have the one that was actually kind of approved internally to be on the north side and we have all the easement for it and now Danielle is actually looking at some other land owners who approached us that could move it up closer to 9th Avenue. So you can come straight across there at that light and potentially do it that way. So um it really is to try to get that connection from basically with the project that we're doing from the traffic just shifted this weekend. I don't know if you drive 119 out by state park um they have the first underpass side done um to get you over to the state park. So basically being able to go from there all the way through town out to Pella Ponds. So that's kind of the goal of 12. Um but to your point, why would we not just use an existing piece that's going to take additional bridges, additional safety crossings in a road? Everything has a little bit of a hiccup to it. that property owner could get the bridge on that side of airport where it crosses the creek on the west side. >> There's no property to put a bridge on because they won't >> Okay. And you're talking so basically once you once you've already crossed St. Brain Road that part of the >> right >> to cross the creek there >> cross the creek there you have to be across that. So to keep it on our side on the north side of the creek so you don't have to do that is the reason we looked at other piece. um death piece is just budgets right now. We we're kind of looking at if that is really a possibility at this point, some of the budget constraints we have. >> Okay. So, right now, I could be wrong, but I like that area quite a bit. And so, when I go out to Airport Road, there's a a greenway essentially that runs parallel with Airport Road. So staying on the >> is it not beneficial to stay on the east side and and then figure out some way across or is it really more economical to build a >> those are all the pieces we're looking at and that's what Danielle with the open space team is looking at right now. >> Okay. Because it's the regional trails are on open space team and I am um parks and so we're more of like what's in in town and not like the green greenway extension. definitely did a lot of work to make sure all those warranty deeds got signed though. >> I did that. That was my help. >> I don't know if it answers your question or not, but where is >> kind of Yeah, I think it's just a Yeah, I think it from a public perspective. I think I would look at that and be kind of concerned of just not understanding the financial element behind like well we already have a connection from to airport road so why would we >> have limited resources why we spend some? We absolutely agree and that's the reason the person who worked through all of that was pretty assistant. That's we had a consultant design that done but we kind of pulled that up and said we're going to reevaluate it because of the natural resource elements, the cost elements and some of those little pieces. So, um we're at the point now we have a little time. Um sometimes having reduced budgets gives you time to do a little bit more planning and figure out how you do it right and be more efficient with your dollars too. >> Great. Any other items in the packet? Okay. Items from staff. >> Got a quick one. >> Rec center pool closed today. The new kids amenity was taken down entirely by 3:00 today. >> The cameras are like, "Oh, look at that. It's gone." So, moving right along. And in >> a mere six weeks and you know, Maybe a little before that. We'll see. We'll have a new something new and fun in there. It's very exciting. It's all happening. So, it's been actually three years in the making. So, >> fun time to get it going. >> Any comments on that? >> Is the lab pool closed because of construction or is it actually tied to? >> It's because of construction. >> We may be able to get the pool open a little earlier, but we're not going to We talk about that because we rather overd deliver. >> Right. >> I'm good. >> I have one little announcement. So, Landon Park, we put a listing feature in um and it opened right around Memorial Day. We're going to have a celebration to celebrate its first season on September 12th. So, it gets to stay open a little longer than typical. Um and we're going to have, you know, games and some light snacks and things like that. And then it will close shortly thereafter due to the seasonal change. But we wanted to at least celebrate its first season. So it'll be announced in the community and other means of outreach. >> When do all the other water >> typically? >> Nice. >> And it mists. It doesn't pour. >> Just miss. Check it out. >> It's a good summer for it. It's been hot. So >> there was a >> that was a significant conversation with water resources. Do we open splash pads and misters in a drought and again lots of was because of equity issues for people >> how do you do that? So then how do we reduce other places to >> I just passionate? >> No items from the board. I don't want to raise anything. Raise my items. All right, we can move to a German. Actually, we can't really Okay. >> A funny just >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Does anyone want to >> I'll make a motion to address. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'll second. >> Great. All those in favor? All four of us. We have barely. That's fine. Barely.