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serious face. We're going to do the real thing now. >> All right, Daisy, it's great to meet you. Thank you so much for taking the time to be here so we can learn more about you as an applicant. >> Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to be here. >> Absolutely. So, my first question for you is, how do you plan to use your medical education? I plan to use my medical education for the betterment of my patients. I think that when I was looking for PA schools to apply to, one of the most important things that I was looking for was somewhere that would challenge me academically so that I could obtain the most medical education that I could to make me successful PA in the future. That is specifically why I applied to Midwestern or Oklahoma City University. Um because I saw an opportunity to really challenge myself educationally to obtain the most information that I could. I feel that I've seen how important this is in undergrad just learning little tidbits about medical education. I've been able to really push myself to um excel academically and seeing the benefits of those when I'm in clinical settings such as working as a chiropractic assistant or a medical assistant and how that's really allowed me to um see things in a different light than maybe I had before without my education. Um, I think I've really been able to see the benefits of that and I'm excited to see how that will obtain to PA school and as a practicing PA in the future. >> Okay. Uh, next question is, what is a healthcare issue you are very passionate about? A healthc care issue that I'm personally really passionate about is healthc care disparities in rural communities. I myself was raised in a rural community and it's one of the main reasons why I want to be a PA and why I've pursued this profession. I myself have personally dealt with healthc care gaps in my community and the my family members and friends around me as well. A specific example that really comes to mind to me when I think about this is my um brother was in a football game one night and he had a pretty severe accident where he couldn't feel anything from his waist and down and he was sent to our local healthc care clinic and they didn't have enough healthcare providers working that night and had to fly him to a larger city which is really frustrating in that moment because had it been severe, his health could have been significantly um impacted. And looking at that specific example and many others that I've dealt with myself and in my family members, I think it's really important to advocate for that and to um advocate for more PAs and healthcare providers to join the profession so that we can work to fill those healthcare gaps. And that's ultimately the reason why I wanted to become a PA and why I decided to um chase this route. >> Okay. Uh so back to your experiences. Looks like you spent about a thousand hours working in chiropractic and now you're a medical assistant. Uh did you want to be a chiropractor or why did you start working in chiropractic? One of the main reasons why I started looking into uh chiropractic was because I was really looking for an experience that would allow me to obtain patient care experience. I had known that I wanted to be a PA prior to that point and I had difficulties looking for um jobs in my community while I was living in a college town. there was a lot of other students and a lot a lot of other individuals that were already filling those medical assistant roles or more clinical hands-on experiences and I was presented with the opportunity to work as a chiropractic assistant and I thought that that would still be a great opportunity and it ended up being really beneficial because in this role the chiropractor really gave me the freedom to ask a lot of subjective and important questions for patients. um which he knew I wanted to be a PA and so he gave me this opportunity to do this and practice asking those questions, diving deeper into what was causing the patients to be there. Um and I genuinely do feel that I've come from this experience more prepared to be a PA student and a PA because I have that ability to ask detailed questions and determine why the patients are experiencing the symptoms they are. Um, so although I might not have learned um all the clinical skills that I am learning now as a medical assistant, I still do believe it's equally impactful. Um, and I'm excited to um have that experience. All right, my next question for you is, what is your favorite animal and why? >> My favorite animal would have to be um cows. And I know that's kind of silly, but I come from a really small town where there's probably more cows than people. And I actually have had the opportunity while I've moved back home to take care of uh my father's paddle ranch essentially. And in that role, I've really gotten the opportunity to learn some skills that I do believe will apply as a PA student and a PA. I'm able to give the cows vaccines. I take care of them in the way that I feel I would um essentially take care of a patient. I know account and patient are not the same thing, but I kind of get that leadership um hands-on taking care of um patients in a sense, which I'm excited to um use as a PA. So, I feel that those skills definitely translate and so I kind of see what I'll be doing in the future as a hopeful PA in that role. >> Okay. Uh can you tell me about a time when you had to deal with a difficult patient? A time when I had to deal with a difficult patient was when I was working as a chiropractic assistant and one of the patients that I was talking to started off with some general complaints. Um she had some just general back pain. But as the conversation progressed, it started getting deeper into some of the personal factors that were going on in her life and she actually became very emotional and broke down. And initially I was a little bit concerned cuz I didn't really know how to handle it at that time. Um I was used to just going in and asking patients questions, uh just having a quick conversations and then leaving. But as she started becoming emotional, I realized that um this was a little bit more serious than what I was used to. And so I really tried to kind of empathize with her in this moment, bring myself down to her level, see what was maybe causing her to feel this way, um and do my best to make her feel better. Um I ended up going to the chiropractor I was working for after and having a conversation with him about it. and he stated that although this was definitely a little bit concerning in the moment, it was very important to see um because moments like these impact patients health um I feel that those personal factors and those emotions are equally important to healthcare as the clinical side. And so being able to see that and how it was actually contributing to some of the physical symptoms that she was experiencing, I think was really important. And something that I hope to look at in the future as a PA student and a PA is how that emotional and um more empathetic side to healthcare contributes to patients health. All right. Can you tell me about a time when you had a disagreement with a colleague or supervisor and how you resolved it? >> A time when I had a disagreement with a colleague was when I was working as a chiropractic assistant. We had changed from one EMR system to another system. And one of the employees that was on our healthcare team um was a little bit of an older individual. She had been working for the company for about 15 years using the same system. And obviously going to the new new system, she was having a lot of difficulties with this. um she was kind of bringing down the rest of the health care team in a sense because she was feeling these um emotions about the new system and initially it was a little bit frustrating because she was kind of bringing down the whole team. She had an essential role um and without her and her not being at her best um it was really hard to deal with initially. Um so what we started to do was because um I had more experience with technology as a student right in college, I tried to do my best to help her as much as I can. Um kind of just be that supporting hand because I had known she was dealing with um a lot. It was a it was a lot for her and really difficult to handle. And so kind of trying to be that hand that can help her up and um get through that difficult time. uh I think was really important and honestly I do think that it helped her. I think it helped the whole team. She started becoming more familiar with the system and how to handle it. Um she still had moments for sure where she was a little bit frustrated with the system. Um but I think that kind of being more empathetic to her at the time and what she was dealing with because maybe she didn't have as much experience with technology as I did or other members of the healthcare team I think was really important. And I generally do believe it helped um the entire team. >> All right, just one moment here while I come up with the next question. >> Okay. >> All right. >> How do you feel about treating a patient who has tested positive for HIV? I personally feel that treating a patient who was tested positive with HIV should not impact how I would treat them if I was the provider or any other member of the healthcare team. Um I think that we have methods in place to not be concerned about that. Um, as somebody who works in a woman's health clinic now, um, we have a lot of experience with moments of patients with HIV, um, or even different, um, diseases or illnesses that maybe we have to be more careful about. But just because they have those diseases or illnesses, it doesn't mean that I'm going to go into an appointment having the stigma or treating them any differently than I would any other patient. I think that that's really important to note because um as healthcare providers, I think we should treat each patient equally no matter their background. Every patient that comes in is going to have a little bit a little bit of different background. No two patients are the same. um and no matter the background, our role is to treat their health. Um and do it without stigma. So um for me personally, I would treat each patient the same no matter the circumstance. >> Okay. And so going through your academic record, I mean very much impressive overall. Uh what I wanted to ask is does it reflect any challenges maybe even something that I didn't see uh but did you struggle academically at all? >> Yes. Um I I definitely did. I will tell anybody that I don't necessarily think that I'm the smartest person in the room. I feel that my grades don't necessarily reflect somebody who has been able to pick up information very easy. I feel that my academics are a reflection of my hard work and how much time I've spent putting myself into those. Going into my freshman year, although I had a B+ and an A minus, I still received probably 60s, 70s, um anywhere on those for tests. I got through with A's and B's by extra credit. Um, and I knew something had to change if I wanted to be a PA, if I wanted to excel in the future. And so I really started working hard. I went to office hours every moment I could. I took sacrifices by maybe not hanging out with friends or going to games when I have tests. Um, I also decided to seek out different study methods that would help me, such as using Quizlet, um, studying with friends or groups, and just continuing that throughout the rest of my academic career, and really just giving my all to, um, obtain the grades that I got, I think, really allowed me to do so. Um, and it's something that I plan to do and continue throughout PA school. my ultimate goal is to become a PA and I want to give everything that that I can to that. Um, and I think that being able to learn that in undergrad will definitely help me in PA school. >> And so why are you applying to this program? There's different points for both schools, but um >> Well, just pick the the nearest one. Sorry. >> Okay. No, it's fine. I'm applying to Midwestern specifically because I really want to be challenged academically. I know we talked about a little bit earlier, but I feel that that is one of the best ways that I can be a successful PA is to learn as much as I can. And being in a place where I will have the opportunity to do that and to be challenged, I think that it would allow me the opportunity to do so. I also want to attend Midwestern because of the location. Um, I feel that being in Phoenix, there's a lot of diversity and a large range of individuals and students that I'll be able to immerse myself around. Um, and it's something that I'm really want to incorporate as a PA student and as a PA is being able to see all those individuals from different backgrounds and seeing how maybe they were raised and how that's influenced how they are today and how that will affect their healthcare in the future, I think would be really valuable. and help me as a PA in the future. >> Okay. And one thing I don't think we really got to was uh why you don't want to be a PA. I want to be a PA because it really stems in the community that I was raised in. Um, which is a very small town. And kind of like the example that I mentioned, I knew from a young age going in or going from high school to college that I wanted to be in healthcare because of that healthc care gap. I wasn't quite sure where it would be. I looked a little bit into dentistry. a shadow dentist, but I kind of wanted to migrate to maybe a whole body approach rather than focusing on one system. Um, and so I started looking into other roles. I looked into med school, but I wanted to give back to rural communities as soon as I could. And that's what really brought me to the PA profession. I saw the ability to go to school and um get back and fill those healthc care gaps in a much sooner timeline than maybe I could as a med student. And so that's really what kind of solidified it for me. Um I also shadowed a PA that also had a huge heart for rural communities and her reasoning for that um or for being a PA. and she kind of filled in that last puzzle piece for me having her talk about how passionate she was about it and how she felt that being a PA in a real community, she was helping to fill those healthcare gaps. Um so that um kind of all those experiences combined brought it all together for me and and the reasoning that I wanted to be a PA. >> All right. And then this is me as the interviewer, not me as myself. Uh do you have any questions for us? I have a couple of different questions based on the school, but um for for Midwestern um I'm sorry I wrote them down and I'm trying to like distinguish which >> um one but um if you could start the program um all over again from the very beginning, is there one specific specific thing that you would keep or do? >> Anything else? >> Um, and then is there a provider that works there that has a um specialty that's maybe non-conventional um a little bit unique, maybe outside of family med or pediatrics? Perfect. Anything else? >> I think that's it. That's what I can think of as right now. >> No, that's fair. Uh, let me see. We could do a scenario now or we could do a scenario in a minute. Let's see. How do you feel about scenario questions? >> Um, because my last interview was Mmai, I feel pretty okay with themish. >> Okay. Okay, let's do this. So, I'm going to I'm going to copy and paste it into the chat and I'll also read it for you in just a second. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Let's see how you do with scenarios and then we'll just do feedback. >> Okay. >> Cool. Doing good. >> I don't know. >> I don't think so. I don't know, honestly. >> Let's see how you deal with this one. So, let me see. Uh, you're a PA taking care of a patient with gastric cancer, stomach cancer. You realize that your patient has occasionally been missing their chemotherapy and radiation appointments. You talk to the patient during the next appointment and realize that they've been seeing an alternative medicine practitioner who has recommended they stop their treatment. What do you do? How do you respond? First, I would start by asking the question of why are they seeing an alternative medicine practitioner? Is there maybe something that has caused them to do so? I think it's important to look in that before making a decision of how I would proceed because maybe there's some outside or extern external source that could be causing them to go see another provider. Um I think that in this situation I could maybe go to the person um for one um for one route and have a convers conversation with them to see maybe what is causing them to see an alternative provider. Maybe there's a specific reason. Um, I think that once I ask them that and once I know a little bit more information about why they're seeing an alternative provider, um, I would maybe let them know my thoughts about it. Um, whether that be bad or good, I think it's important to inform the patient of my thoughts of informing them that it's important to proceed with their chemotherapy and the radiation. Um, but I think it's also important to take into consideration what the patient is um, thinking they're equally important into their medical decisions as my input and my feedback because ultimately they're the one that has to go through with the treatments. And so I think really taking into consideration their thoughts and what they have to say, but also still informing them my thoughts and uh and how I feel about um their treatment that they will be going with. I think would be the route that I would take. >> Okay. Official interview portion is over. >> How did you feel? >> Um I felt okay. some of them I'm like uh but yeah. >> Okay, let's uh before I give any sort of feedback, let me kind of show you some of your responses >> because did you did you try to do what I told you about about like stopping for a second, thinking through what you really want to communicate and then checking those off mentally or did you just kind of go? >> I tried. I feel like on some of them I just went and I shouldn't have I should have taken a moment. Um >> but I do think that the ones that I did I think it did help and I think that I need to practice >> using that. Um >> good. >> Okay. Let me show you some of your responses. And any other questions, comments before I kind of show you the responses? >> Um I don't think so. >> Okay. Yeah. I think general feedback. Um, let's do this. So, first things first, you never just want to criticize, right? So, you say good uh and room for improvement. >> And the other important thing is when is your next interview? Because I need to know how much kind of feedback to give you. >> Um, my next one is on the 23rd. So, it's very soon. >> 23rd. >> Yeah. Oh, >> that's not soon. You got a whole week. >> Cool. All right. Yeah. I mean, I I don't really recommend practicing for more than like a few days. >> Really? >> Yeah. You don't need to do this for months and months and months. You need a half an hour every day for like five, six days and you're solid. >> That's crazy cuz I've been trying way too hard. I've been like practicing like an hour a day. >> What? Like so I have um Savannah Perry's book and just going over those questions and then >> I wish we could take the book off Amazon. >> It doesn't help anybody. >> No, I literally like >> it literally doesn't help anyone. >> No, >> I'm writing one to compete. I just haven't had time. >> You should write one because like watching your >> later I think we should do a few individual ones first. >> Okay. So the very first question, you do kind of tend to repeat the question, which is okay. It kind of gives you time to think, so that's good. Um, how do you plan to use your medical education? What do you think this question is asking? >> Um, that one was I was a little bit confused about. >> Is it is it more so just like how you will be a successful PA like in a sense? um not not necessarily like on an educational standpoint but like uh how you will practice as a provider I guess. >> Okay. >> At least the way I interpret this question and I mean most people do uh that I've you know asked it to is how will you like use your the medical education? How will you use what you learned in PA school as in what's your vision for your career? >> Which for you is helping rural patients, right? >> Yeah. >> Um so that's kind of what I was looking for. What you ended up saying was, "I want to go to a school where I can be challenged academically, obtain an education. I applied to these schools to challenge myself academically, obtain information." Kind of repeated yourself there. Um, see how much learning tidbits for medical education, push myself academically. The third kind, um, working as an MA and a chiropractic assistant. I see that education is important. So, I wouldn't say you really answer the question. >> Okay. I agree. >> Yeah. Um, do you why do you think that is? You think you got nervous? >> Um, I think so. I think I also probably rushed into it before fully thinking about what you were asking. I would say >> so now coming back to it, do you think that's kind of makes more sense? >> Yeah, I think midway through it I realized this is not how this is not like the question, I guess. Um, >> so I think maybe like taking that second like you said and um thinking about what they're actually trying to ask, I guess would maybe help. >> If you're even 1% confused, you can ask them to clarify. >> Okay. >> Unless it's Mmi. You see it on the screen and then it's like, well, now I don't know. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, so one, do take that deep breath, take a pause, clear your mind for like a second or like think about I don't know, some a random animal or random fruit. Just something to like focus on that's not you being nervous and then go. >> Okay. >> Right. Like a for me, I don't know why it's a freaking starfish or a pineapple every time. I think it's Spongebob. >> But it's like anytime I just really need to like my mind is racing, I just focus on that. >> Okay. >> And go or just take a deep breath something and just so you can kind of understand. Another thing is if you don't understand exactly the wording is just goofy, which it could be, you could ask them like, I just want to make sure I want to I understand the question correctly. Do you mean how will I use like the PA school education in my career or do you mean like how do I use the education I've had so far? >> And then they'll specify, >> okay? >> You know, you could be humble about that. >> Um, >> also if you realize you're screwing it up halfway through the question, just stop. >> Okay? >> Just stop and re re uh regroup. Be like, I'm so sorry. I think I misinterpreted this question. Can I just level with you and understand what this was asking before I continue? They'll be like, "Wow, that's good." >> Okay. >> Right. That will happen in clinical practice all the time. >> Yeah. >> Perfect example. I just had a girl who had a pyonidal cyst, which is like right between the butt cheeks, and then for whatever reason, I was really tired and I mistook it for a um what the heck is a Bartholins gland cyst. >> Oh no. And the like the medical assistant and the patient kept telling me pile and idol and I was like, "Oh yeah, Barthols like in my mind." So I was like, "Okay, well uh go set her up for a pelvic and like the patient just went with it because I said it and went with it because I said it." So the patient's like up in the stirrup still covered up and I'm like, "All right, so where's this thing?" And she's like, "The pilotal cyst. Yeah, it's between my butt." I'm like, "Oh shit." Like after the poor patient is like in this compromising position, I've got a chaperone. It's like been 20 minutes now. And I literally just went, I am so sorry. I literally mixed up my vocabulary in my brain. Pilot idol means up here. I thought Bartholan's land, which is down there. I am so sorry. Please change. We're going to put you back in the other room. Lay face down instead of, you know, this position. >> Oh no. >> She understood. It happens. >> It's better than me like doing a freaking pelvic for no reason. >> Yeah. >> I made a mistake and I admitted it and I we went with it. It's fine. >> Today I actually called I called the patient's name and the wrong patient got up and I took her into the room and I was about to start answering or asking questions and then I was like wait her last weight was like 200 lb and this girl was probably like 100 pounds and I was like >> this does not add up you I don't think I have the wrong patient so I had to take her back out and get the other one and I was like oh my gosh this is so embarrassing is but either way you caught yourself in the middle and you fixed it. Yeah. >> The exact same thing is okay in the interview. >> Okay. >> Right. I want one trick is like I want you to act more like you're in your patient care role than like this interview big deal. Whatever. Because if you make a mistake in the in patient care, you fix it. You're humble. You laugh it off. >> You smile and you just go, "Okay, I'm sorry. We're going to do this." You kind of take a leadership role. >> I want you to do the same thing here. >> Okay? >> You're allowed to screw up. You're allowed to laugh. You're allowed to be pleasant. and you know smile. You're allowed to be somber if someone's sad or if the question is sad. >> Yeah. >> You're allowed to take a pause. You're allowed to take a breath. You're allowed to level with the interviewer who's a human being and say like, "I'm so sorry. I I'm so nervous I just blanked. Could you please repeat that question?" >> Okay. >> Or, "I'm so sorry. I just lost my train of thought completely. Could you please repeat the question so I can start over?" >> They might roll their eyes, but it's better than doing like a total gibberish answer. >> Yeah, that is true. >> That make sense? Yeah, definitely. >> Cool. Yeah, we've all screwed up like tremendously in patient care. This last one was probably the most embarrassing. I haven't made anyone do that anything that stupid for a long time. But still, you got to do it. That's your job. And your job here is the answer. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Think of it from that perspective, right? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, didn't really answer the question. Um, what is your vision for your career is what I would have said. So if you blank ask the interviewer very humbly and professionally oops professionally. Did I screw that up? Um to repeat the question. That's okay to do. >> Okay. >> Right. So yeah. Um healthcare issue you're very passionate about. Good. Healthcare disparities. Good. Gaps in healthcare. My brother. Good. Good. I'm glad you use an example. He couldn't feel anything from the waist down. Went to the ER. He was flighted. Uh, frustrating because it could have been severe injury. I want to be a patient. Wait. I think it's important to advocate for that. More PAs and professions. Okay. Ultimately, I wanted to be a PA and chase this route. >> Okay. How do you feel about this response? Um, I feel okay, but um, one thing I'm concerned about is like using examples. I feel like sometimes I maybe um, over explain the example. So, I've been trying to like cut back on that and then maybe try to elaborate more on um, like answering the question if that makes sense. But kind of like what you just wrote, I feel like I'm leaving you or like the interviewer kind of in a um like questioning like like what even happened >> exactly. And also this just based on how long it is, I would say this probably took you about a minute, >> maybe 90 seconds. >> I said, you know, three to four minutes is perfectly good. >> Okay. Yeah, you can make your answer twice or three times this long and you'd still be well within like the appropriate range. >> Okay. >> All your answers I would actually probably say are on the shorter side >> really cuz so I've been practicing with like um like chat GBT I'll use like the voice thing and then every single time it'll say like cut it down keep it concise and I'm like >> oh >> have you you've watched some of our mock interviews right? >> Yeah. Have you watched Justenna or Graces or any of the people that I said got in? >> Um, I probably have. I feel like I've watched all of them. >> They talk for a while. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. >> Is that okay in like a group interview setting? >> Uh, what do you mean? Well, group you're not really talking about yourself much. >> Okay. >> Group is going to be an activity. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Panel, yeah, you are talking about yourself. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So all of these I would go longer. I would definitely not be afraid about getting more in detail. >> Okay, that is good to know. >> I'd say at least 2x, maybe 3x is long. >> Oh wow. >> Now don't ramble. Don't repeat yourself. You definitely tend to like summarize something and then repeat it three different times and that's it. That that's kind of an answer. >> I have a really hard time with like saying the same thing over and over and I don't know why. like >> um I mean I know why because you don't have like prepared talking points ready to go. >> Yeah. >> Want to tell the whole story. You want to practice saying like what's important to you like rural health and why and how you see yourself in it. The actual vision, >> right? Like maybe I'll even own a clinic one day. I also, I don't know, really want a family and I want to be able to integrate that with my life. I want to be on call but still go to my kids soccer games or bull riding contest, whatever the heck y'all do out there, >> you know, that kind of thing. Like share the vision and like practice talking about it and being excited about it. >> Okay. >> Right. Instead of just like I feel like you're holding back and then you feel like you have to fill the time so you just keep repeating the same thing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Cool. We'll make a plan. Don't worry. And we don't have time to go through all these because it's already 9:15. But let me uh let's go through like one more. >> Okay. >> Um why did you start working chiropractic? It's kind of a unique experience. That's why I asked. And you were like it's the only job I could get, which is fair. >> Okay. I was worried about that one. >> That's fine. It's okay. >> You know, and then also you told the Cairo that you do want to be a PA and he kind of let you have more freedom with the HPI and everything. So that's great. That's fine. >> That is really good. Um feel this experience more ready for PA school. Yeah, that's fine. This is totally fine. Totally okay to talk about working in Cairo. Definitely good. You emphasized my god I can't spell. Emphasized that the Cairo knew you want to and let you practice taking history. So that's great. Um so yeah, that's totally okay. Uh favorite animal. So, why do you think I would ask a weird question like this? >> To catch me off guard. >> Oh. >> Oh, okay. >> I mean, a little bit, but it's this isn't a trick question. Trick question is like when have you dealt with a difficult patient? Um, this is basically any off-the-wall question is just who are you? Tell me about yourself, your priorities, your personality. >> Okay, >> so like the last girl who went right before you, my seven o'clock, she uh what was it? But I think I asked her her favorite food and she just talked about like rice, beans, and steak. But she talked about how she cooks it with her family and how her mom makes the best and how in her culture everybody thinks their mom makes the best. So she like brought out this whole personality thing. >> Okay. >> You know, she's very family oriented. She loves mom. She's from this like real culture that's like really cool. So just talk about you. >> Okay. >> Right. So I like cows. Why do you like cows? >> Yeah. Um, and you kind of then you went right into like sort of but I promise I want to be a PA. Like this was a little extra. >> I know. That's what I was what I'm worried about with like that is that they're going to be like why don't you want to be a vet and I'm like >> what? No, they're not gonna No, that they're not these guys aren't trying to stump you. Maybe a little that much. >> Any random question? favorite color, animal, tree, car, um, who would you invite to dinner? What other random ask questions are there? There's so just anything super random. >> Okay, >> weird is essentially asking, tell me about yourself. Okay. >> So, use the question to tell the interviewer about your likes, hobbies, priorities, you know, dreams. For instance, like I asked um I wish she would let me post this, but she won't. She's she's my premed coach, Juliana. She's like terrified of social media, but she's such a good coach. Um I did a mock interview with her before she got into like eight med schools, and she's brilliant. I mean, 3.9 GPA, like perfect everything. Insane. Just insanely good. So, if you have any like premed friends, Juliana will literally get them in. Like, >> okay, good to know. >> Unless they have shitty grades, but she'll she'll get them in. Um, but yeah. Anyway, so her I asked her, "What's your favorite color?" You know, the same kind of random question. And she went with orange. It was the best answer I've ever heard. She went with orange because she went to Syracuse and they're the Syracuse Orange. So like orange reminds her of her friends and her dorm and like feeling at home like you know Harry Potter at Hogwarts >> and like how her corgi is orange and she like loves you know her little butt and like how glistens in the sun and she like made this whole response about how she loves her friends, loves animals, loves taking care of grandma, feels at home at school, loves having a community at school and I was like perfect answer but that's how it's done. >> Okay, >> right? So you could be like cows and no, not because they're funny on South Park, but because like whatever it is for you. They're cute. >> I like how like when you run by them, they all look at you and they all turn their heads. >> Yeah. >> I think cows are very much misunderstood. No one knows how intelligent they are. You know, they actually are just giant grass puppies. They play with like big balls and they're they cuddle even though they can crush you. Um my favorite things about cows are X, Y, and Z. And so that's just about cy. But then like use it to talk about your personality. >> Okay. >> I really love taking care of them because >> right? You don't have to be like and that's how I'll be as a PA. Not just >> Okay. That's I feel like everything I'm just like trying to like tie back and it's like >> don't do that. That makes you robotic and tryh hard. >> Really? >> Yeah. Just talk about you. >> Okay. >> You know, cows are a segue to talk about you. >> Oh yeah. So that's good. I did like this like small town more cows than people. That's cute. Yeah. Talk about you. >> Okay. >> All right. Tell me about a difficult patient. This is a trap. This is a trap. And that is interpersonal conflict is I'm just going to give you my standard answer here in the interest of time. Um so yeah, interpersonal conflict. This is your checklist. >> Super to the other person. What I could have done better or you know the responsibility I took. That's it. >> Okay. >> So responsibility did great here. But I would have spent more time on like why this patient was so emotional. >> Okay. >> You know, >> then more like details >> details. But mainly just empathizing with her like, you know, being at a chiropractic or any medical office is very vulnerable. These people like you're putting your lives in in their hands. You want them to take away your pain. You know, you don't know why you're in pain. You don't realize it's possibly due to anxiety, >> you know? So, you're like scared and confused and this person's really nice and you just let it all out. And so I understood how she was. >> Yeah. You >> know, even if it was a little uncomfortable for me, I knew what I had to do. >> Yeah. >> Empathize with the patient. >> Okay. >> So that's what I would do there. Uh let's see. Describe a time when you disagree. So this is the exact same thing. >> Okay. >> Same trick question, right? So you want to have super empathy for the other person. That's the main thing here. Um HIV. This is good. This is kind of a scenario question. scenario type question. Well, not really. This is more of an ethical um let's see. I would I'd treat them like a member of the healthcare team. Uh we experience other people blah blah blah. Just because they have it doesn't mean I would stigmatize them. Treat them no matter what their background. Treat them no matter what their background. Again, >> no stigma again would treat them no matter what the circumstance. So, this is all repeating the exact same thing five times. >> Okay? You see that right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. How do we not do that? >> I don't know. Just think about it before I think about points. Something else I can talk about. I guess maybe >> I would do the four-step method for this. >> Okay. This feels like a ethical slash possibly scenario scenario question to me. Would you agree? >> Yeah. >> How would you feel about treating a patient for pain management? How would you feel about someone who might be addicted to drugs? How would you feel about someone who has Down syndrome got pregnant and her parents wanted her to have an abortion? How do you feel about this? How do you feel about that? It's all kind of scenario questions. Mhm. >> So, use the fourstep method above and I'll highlight that for you. I'm sharing this with you right now so you have it. You are Daisy. I think you're my only Daisy. Usually I have like nine of each name, but you're my first Daisy. >> Oh, cool. >> Believe it or not, um you say how cool. I don't know why that like the way you said cool. I know that was um here. So, fourstep method. My four-step method for uh scenario and MMI and ethical questions is basically the STAR method. I just think that my method is better and clearer. Uh so I basically just highlighted that for you. >> Okay. >> But yeah, just read that. Uh where are we at? Wait, where'd it go? >> Hi. Where's the head? There it is. Okay. So like the four-step method is restate the question, demonstrate understanding, ask for more information or assume more information and then you know some scenario or some ways you can go about it and then choose one. So I would say okay so if I had to treat a patient with HIV which I'm sure will come up you know that's step one. Uh first off you know not everybody with HIV is the same. So I'd kind of want to know a little more about this patient particularly. That's step two right? Uh like when were they diagnosed? Is this a new diagnosis that I have to break the news to them? Uh, have they been treated successfully for years and it's barely detectable? Uh, you know, are they very high risk? Are they having side effects? Are they very sick? I just want to know a little more about the patient and then just address each of those. You know, if it's a new diagnosis, I would definitely want to really empathize with the patient, let them know it's not a death sentence. We have a lot of treatments. It could be to an undetectable level to where they could have a totally normal relationship and life and family. Um, if they are being treated well, you know, I'm sure the emotional toll of having HIV is already gone and they're just living with it. So, I would kind of just treat their uh, you know, treat them the same as any other patient with any other chronic condition. >> Use PPE, of course, but I wouldn't feel differently about treating them than I would anybody else. >> Okay? >> See how that's a very complete answer? >> Yeah. >> Fourstep method. What the heck just happened? Fourstep method. This, it's gold. It's also really good in groups. Okay, >> cool. >> Yeah. >> Did you find me on YouTube or Tik Tok? >> Um, kind of both, honestly. I think I first started watching you on YouTube because I'd like go to the gym and just look up like interview or PA school interviews and then like you would just pop up. >> We have um we have a whole playlist with all our mock interviews >> really. >> You can see all those. But the four-step method is pinned to the top of my TikTok right now. >> Okay. because it's so or interesting. It's so important right now. It's me on like this like stupid sombrero because I was at the beach and someone asked and I screw it. I'll record a video for two minutes and it's me going into this in depth. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, there's that. Or just literally read this yellow thing and it's the same thing. If you prefer to listen, do that. If you prefer to read, you know, do this. Um but yeah, so that's that's absolute gold. Like you will absolutely stand out doing that fourstep method. >> Okay. >> So yeah, do that. Academic challenges definitely didn't struggle. I'm not the smartest person. My grades don't look like that. >> Is that okay? >> You could. I don't know why you would say that >> really. >> Yeah. I don't really see the point. I I don't know if I would have talked about all this necessarily. Um, please prepare a very solid answer to this question. And I want you to do this. It's basically the same question as tell me when you struggled academically. So just three elements. Talk about why you struggled. You >> know, I was procrastinating. I wasn't prepared. Uh the professor had an accent I wasn't used to or whatever it may be. Just whatever it is. Take responsibility. Be like, okay, I knew I had to improve, so I did this, this, and this, which he did. And then if I struggle in PA school, like I'll do this. >> Okay. >> It was kind of a more or less you kind of already did that. Um why this program? This is let's see I want to be challenged academically. I want to be a successful PA. The location diversity that's good. I want to incorporate that into my practice. Okay, that's kind of fair. Um, good response overall. >> That one I feel like I kind of like my brain like went wonky because I think I was thinking of both. I was like combining them both because I have been like working on both at the same time. And so now like the qualities of each one are like right before I go into my my first one which is Midwestern. I'm gonna have to like lock in on what? >> Yeah, for sure. >> For sure. >> So look up their, you know, go on their Instagram, go on their web page, just anything specific. Just prove that you did some research. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh why do you want to be a PA? This better be like solid now. Like this is the most important question. uh stems from the community I raised in from high school to college. Healthcare gaps. Good. Looked into dentistry. This is very honest. I'm glad you said this. Uh led me to the profession to fill those healthcare gaps. Good. Solidified it. Um huge heart for rural communities. Good. Good. So, good answer. I'd like more detail like what exactly this PA you shadowed did and love about her job maybe an example >> uh your vision for your career in rural healthcare you know do you want to work at an urgent care ER primary office all the above because PA can do all of them at the same time >> do you want to work women's health like you are do you want to work freaking I don't know on college being in a small hospital like what what is it like what do you actually want to do >> okay >> share that otherwise great answer so yeah very good just little short um if you could start the program over from the beginning what is one thing you would keep heard that one before >> good question uh maybe be more specific like what would you keep about about the dactic curriculum and what's one thing you'd change, >> you know? >> Okay. >> Little more specific, a little easier to answer. >> Uhhuh. >> Uh this maybe do a little research on their website, see if you can find this out yourself. >> Okay. >> Um because this is kind of a general question, but it's pretty easy to answer. >> Okay. >> Not a bad question. Okay. So, yeah, that's not bad. This Okay, so you kind of started doing the four-step method. Ask why they're seeing the alternative provider. Good. That's step two. Um, important to be asking more questions. Maybe if there's something that's making them see the other provider. I would go wait to the person for conversation. See why they're trying to see the alternative provider. So, you've said that three times so far. Yeah, >> there's a reason. Once I find this out, I would tell them my thoughts about it, good or bad. Um, important to inform them of my thoughts. Inform them that it's important to do chemo and radiation. Also, consider what they're thinking. Take into consideration what they say. Also inform them my thoughts. So, you repeated three things three times. >> Okay. >> You see that? >> Yeah. >> Do you feel like practicing the four-step method so you just have steps? >> I think that that would help. for sure. >> Practice the fourstep method and anything that feels like a scenario. Just go straight into the fourstep method. Don't go with your gut level instinct like, "Oh, okay. Uh, they have gastric cancer and they're seeing an alternative provider. Well, why do they want to do that?" And then just like go in that loop. be like, "Okay, one, I have a patient who's x, y, and z." Step two, I'd want to know why. And then train yourself to start asking why. Like, maybe they've had bad experiences with their oncologists or their primary care doctor. Maybe they don't trust western medicine. Maybe they're from a different culture, >> you know, from or from China or from a Native American tribe where they only trust, you know, their own medicine. Maybe X, maybe Y, maybe, you know, at least a couple things. >> Okay. >> I would do this. >> Okay. >> Fair. >> Yeah. Absolutely. And here's like a million more scenario questions for you. >> Cool. So, I think that's shared with you. I believe that's done. >> Um, so you have a week, right? >> Yeah. >> You have a week. Okay. So, I feel like you need to do some work. Would you agree? >> Yes. I want to do as best as I can because I feel like these are my last two. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna do this. If I share something that I'm working on that I'm about to start making a um a resource that people have to pay for, will you pinky promise me you're not going to screenshot it and hand it out to a bunch of people? >> I swear on my life. Yeah. This is like literally six years of my work like condensed. >> Oh my gosh. >> For like 15 bucks or so, you know, because it's cheaper than a mock interview. >> But I'm going to share this with you as a viewer, not an editor. >> Okay. >> For like a few days. Where's it at? PA school interview prep document. I think that's it. Is this it? It's in green because I put things in green that I was like already done editing. So, it's likely still in in progress, but I'm basically done with it. Uh, let's see examples. Okay. So, yeah, I'm basically just making more examples. So, this is done. >> Oh, wow. >> Okay. So, this is literally step by simple step how to prepare and exactly what to do for the next few days. >> I need that so bad. I I feel like >> everything is like so wishy-washy and like >> it is that's why there needs to be a competitive a competing book. I just haven't had time. Um but this is basically like my book in a nutshell. >> Oh wow. >> I'll just go into way more detail. So first things first, every single thing in my book and in this thing has a TLDDR version like the five minute whatever and then you can just do it yourself. Or if you want way more context it goes further. Oh, wow. >> Right. And so, let me see. I'm just going to get rid of all the highlighting so you're not confused because I don't need that. >> Okay. Yeah. So, this should be published on my website soon, but I'm going to let you have it. Just don't share it. >> I won't. I promise. >> David, don't copy it. It's literally already copyrighted, so please don't. >> I won't. >> Um, I know you won't. I just I haven't given this away yet. >> No, I totally understand. >> Cool. So, this is just my selling points and this. So, these are the questions I want you to really spend time thinking about and having really solid responses. >> Okay? >> Right. Um, let's see. There's the four-step method again. And then, so that's the brief version. Then this is in excruciating detail how to really come up with good responses for every one of these questions. >> Okay? >> You know, 10-page document. You should be able to just kind of meditate with a notebook and this and you should be able to have a really solid answer for all these prepared probably in like an hour. >> Oh wow. Okay. >> Shouldn't take >> And then you just practice talking about them and then you just practice segueing them into um other questions and I gave you some examples how to do that. >> Okay. >> Helpful. >> And I appreciate you taking the time. >> I got you. I mean you paid for it more than the urgent care pays me. So, like I feel like it's deserved. Um, and also, jeez, that is incredibly bad. I don't know. I'm never going to disparrage anyone. They can do what they want to do. Just all I ask you is just to tell people that I'm good. You don't have to tell them they're bad. You know, just send all your prePA, premed, pre- N nursing, pre everybody. I'm I'm consulting everyone now. And I do have a absolute badass premed girl now. So >> that's a lot of my friends like in college are I'd say a good 90% are premed. So I will for sure tell them because I've had friends too who are reapplying that dedicated. I'm sure that they would love any any support that they could get. >> Yeah, Juliana is incredible. Like she's in med now so she doesn't have a ton of time but she loves mentoring. Um, so if like her schedule's not up on my calendar or whatever on the website, just have them email the website or just DM me on one of my platforms. >> Okay. >> But she she has no doctors in the family, like zero. She came from like I can't remember if she came from like really humble beginnings or her parents were poor were like rich but didn't give her any money. It was one of the two. But either way, she did everything by herself, like everything from the ground up. >> Um, she's incredibly good. She like knows the whole process backwards and forwards and med school is so much harder than peaceful to get into. Um she did she got I think like 12 interviews. She turned down a bunch. She got into seven schools or eight schools. >> I did her essay in her interview, but she did the whole process by herself. So she's insane. She's so so good at this. >> Yeah, definitely direct all your PE uh premed friends to her and she will definitely get them where they need to go. >> I will for sure. >> Please. She needs more work and I do So, please do. Um, >> I also work with um there's like a premed prepa program at the place I work. So, >> I could put in a little um like I don't know, just tell them, look you up because I'm sure that they appreciate it's called like the AHCK program or whatever, but I'm not a part of it because I didn't really know about it when I first >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I did that. >> Really? >> Yeah. Well, I'll tell them to use you guys because I don't I don't know. They could for sure use it. I think any of us could use any hope that we can >> like I literally I'm not working full-time anymore just to do this more. One, it pays >> because I'm I like doing this. So, yeah, look us up. If there's like a prepa club of any kind that wants to partner with personal statement pros, like we'll give them discounts and send them free books, >> all kinds of stuff. So, please do. >> Do you want me to send um >> I'm gonna stop the recording. Wait, hold on. Sorry. Uh just so that the recording can get processing. Um one, I have to ask, was this helpful? Yes.