NCompass Live: Beyond the PDF: Publishing Open Educational Resources with Pressbooks

Omaha Chris Library. So, I'm looking forward to both of them. Uh, first we're going to start. I'm going to have you introduce yourselves, but I will say your name, Craig Finley, and I'm going to make him a presenter so that he can share his screen and you won't see mine so much anymore. Okay, Craig, you should be able to share your screen. Uh Craig, we can't hear you. >> Uh yeah. Okay. Sharing my screen. Yeah. Sorry about the confusion, everyone. My first name is Stephen. Uh I go by Craig. Uh because my parents always called me Craig and caused no uh small amount of confusion in school growing up and it still does. And sometimes when I register for things, uh it autofills and uh my computer even wants to go to Stephen. So that was the source of the confusion. Uh I always I always wanted to tell my parents if you wanted to name me Craig, there was a solution to this problem and it wasn't the one that you picked. But hey, there we are. Um so yeah, everyone um uh I'm Craig Finlay. I'm the open educational resources librarian uh at uh UNO Chris Library and I'll be presenting today with uh Jay Cly. Um actually my introduction slide is in two slides. So we can get to that formally and talk a little bit about what we do. But uh we're going to be talking about um uh publishing uh of open educational resources with Pressbooks and some of the work that we've been doing with that and um how we've been able to use this platform to engage our library in uh OAR publishing work and um you know and then um Jay's going to talk about and how we've had to uh work in considerations of digital accessibility into our work with Pressbooks. Um, obviously with the title 2 regulations um that were extended last April, but are still going to be coming into effect and that have obviously been on all of our minds. Uh, and um, yeah, so we're going to be talking a little bit about the platform. is going to be showing you a little bit on the back end about how it works and uh we're going to be showing you um a couple of the books that we've made, some of the things that we've been able to do with it and um yeah um how you can uh if you uh uh want to and this is an option um for getting involved with your own library publishing program. Um we're going to be talking about some uh pros and cons as well. So, we'll get right into it. So, disclaimer real quick. Um, we're not uh Pressbooks representatives. Um, there are many Pressbooks live webinars. Uh so um I'll go ahead and pause here just long enough for if you want to scan this QR code that goes to uh the a webinar that's actually tomorrow, September 10th, uh at um 12:00 p.m. uh to 1 p.m. Central Standard Time. They have a regular getting started with QuestBooks webinar and they have a lot of webinars uh and there's a whole bunch as well uh that they have archived on their YouTube but there's regular webinars that they have on all sorts of topics from beginner to advanced. So we're not trying to pretend to be uh Pressbooks representatives here. um uh this is just kind of what we've been able to do here uh at our library and taking advantage of the fact that we have access to this. Uh so yeah, if you uh become extra interested in Pressbooks here because of this, um yeah, check out the webinar and uh you'll be able to hopefully come away with more of a thorough grounding in the actual sort of nuts and bolts of uh working with a book. Um, okay. Yeah. So, um, actual introductions. I'm Craig Finlay. I'm the open educational resources and STEM librarian at, uh, the Dr. CC and Maple L. Chris Library at, uh, University of Nebraska at Omaha. I've been here since July 2021. And, uh, got to work um with press books almost immediately. Uh uh the first press book was actually published by a geography faculty member uh before well they started working with my predecessor before I arrived and then it went live right after I got here and then the first one I worked with was over uh the first winter break uh that I was here that was the Haney book actually or no not the Amy book um Amy Morris's book Jay um the survey of western art book um which we'll show you in a little bit. Um and since now we have 10 that are active. Um and uh yeah, we've been moving forward with it ever since. Uh Jay, do you want to introduce yourself? What you do here? >> Sure. Yeah, my name is Jay Celely. Uh I graduated a bachelor's in multi-disiplinary studies with a focus on library science in May of last year. Uh I I am currently a patron services associate at the front desk of of the library. Uh I actually never really once set foot on uh UNO's physical campus until my senior year. It's a uh it's a it's a commuter school, so open education resources are are like a a really they're a true saving grace. and uh one of for my practicum my final semester of um my bachelor's which I'm I'm now currently pursuing a a masters in multi in in public administration but uh my my practicum at at my end uh was I could choose to to work on on a project in a library and I chose to uh work with with Craig actually um at at UNO in the the the OEER kind of playground because uh once it was explained to me what what open education resources were. I realized that I'd been using them since since before I I even uh had a first semester here at at UNO. It was a a music class that I took with a free textbook. And so it just it it means a lot to me and uh I am glad to be part of the uh the accessibility and press books initiative here. >> Yeah. And shout out to the practical program because it's still paying dividends for us in engaging with it because we still have Jay. So yeah, it's it's worked out really well for us. Um uh so yeah, so what is Pressbooks? Pressbooks is a web-based open- source publishing platform. Uh it's built on the WordPress um engine. Yeah. So, if you've ever used WordPress, if you had a WordPress blog uh back in the day, and a lot of people still do, um then the interface will look very familiar to you. Jay will be showing you what that looks like in a bit. Um but it allows for easy creation of new material once you press that sort of initial learning curve. Um and it's a fairly flat learning curve, I feel like. um you know once you learn the you know it's one of those sort of like um the bulk of things that you learn once you crest that and then it can be pretty flat and then that's going to comprise I think the uh the bulk of what you have to do. Um I I think Jay, has that also kind of been your experience sort of like once you like reach that level then then you can pretty much move forward with it? >> Yes, most definitely. Even the um more advanced uh parts of Pressbooks that intimidated me initially after after uh say [clears throat] 15 to 30 minutes really really um really applying myself to it, it it was never an issue again. Yeah. Um and yeah, so it allows for easy creation of new material and it also one of the really cool things about Pressbooks is that um there's a built-in feature where uh so in their directory and I'll show you what that looks like in a little bit too. Um so there's there's almost 10,000 books in the Pressbooks directory now. And uh when you're publishing a book um if you publish it uh with a creative common license uh then you can also mark it for are you okay with people cloning it? And if you are then um when you go in you can you log into your Pressbooks account you can clone a book and uh so you can take another book that's published in Pressbooks you can clone it make you can and then you'll have a complete copy of that book yourself that you can adapt and you can change the content and obviously so that would be for uh like a relevant creative common license that permits that kind of use. So um a lot of faculty, a lot of institutions have used it for uh you know I found this CC licensed uh of an educational resource uh that would be good for my class but you know there's x y and z that I want to change uh that I want to add content to it. Uh these chapters aren't really relevant. You know whatever the customizations might be that they want to make they can clone the book. they can make it uh more customized to their students and then they can move forward with that. So I think that's a really kind of cool bit of functionality too. And then just for libraries generally if you can get um um access to Pressbooks if you have a Pressbooks membership or you know if you can as we've done um be able to gain uh access to use Pressbooks through an institutional membership uh it can be a really cost effective way to get involved with library publishing um and to get involved with open educational resources um through that that angle of things which which we've been able to do. I just now noticed that the uh template um says department name at the bottom um and instead of Chris library and I was working on I just noticed that. I'm sorry, but I'm just going to own it and that's just that's just what it's going to have to be. Uh so yeah um let's look real quick at the Pressbooks directory and then our catalog as well. Um so and I actually already have these up as a um so I switched to a tab but it didn't switch to presenter. So I'm wondering if I click out will so that didn't change the share share something else and then yeah okay cool still learning this okay cool so there here's the press books directory um so if you're in here um pretty searchable catalog of 9,601 and counting open access books uh And they've got right here they've got like a curated collection section. Uh, and so these are all um um open educational resources that people have created using Pressbooks and published online um with a few filters over here. Um, and uh, Sally, why don't you give me a t like a subject area and we'll try to find we'll try to see if there's a a press book that is relevant to that uh, kind of hypothetical class that would be in there. I can't hear you. >> I didn't quite catch what you asked me. I'm sorry. Why don't you give me like a subject area and I'll try to see if there's >> I'll I'll do a search to see if there's a relevant press book. >> Okay. Public administration. >> Oh yeah. Okay. >> I have a masters in that too. So yay. >> Oh fantastic. >> That's awesome. >> From UNO. Yeah. >> Uh so yeah. So there are uh so 30 results for public administration. So, um, yeah. So, what kind of comes up, so there's public administration, University of Arkansas edition. Uh, so I'm guessing what this is is this is an adapted version. Uh, so when I said you could clone a book and you could adapt it. Um, here's one called uh, you know, public service ethics. This was published in well, last updated 2026 818. I'll just pick one at random here. Inquiry of the public sort. Um, oh, so this is an open pedagogy book. That's pretty cool. Uh, this is something that increasingly faculty are doing uh with their students because it enables uh this sort of um this type of project in their class. Open pedagogy is a type of um uh sort of teaching strategy where your students work with you to collaboratively create an object. So you actually engage them as uh creators of knowledge. Um oh I clicked on it and sorry um share and share something else. Got to be better about that. So uh slightly clicked into here and this is a collection of smallcale research projects and matters of public administration public affairs carried out by graduate students in the programs of public affairs University of Utah. So uh yeah, looks like this was a graduate class and then the student projects were gathered together under the supervision of their teacher and then collaboratively the students in the class they created a press book together and then it was published online. Um um but I I've seen a lot of open pedagogy projects on press books and uh it's becoming increasingly popular. Yeah. because it means that faculty can engage their students as creators of knowledge uh collaboratively in uh in the class and and I think it's just much more engaging and uh for students um if there's like an end product that they can see in many ways and so it can be uh pretty valuable there. Uh so uh yeah um I'll go back to the page. Um but yeah, public service ethics uh publication date. Yeah. So all these are pretty recent. Um infoch governance policy ethics and law. Yeah. So there's a fair number. Um, and we can, uh, yeah, so you could just, you know, start poking around here. Occasionally, it'll be such a niche area that there really won't be a lot. But, um, happily, happily, this actually ended up being niche, but not so niche that we weren't able to find anything. Uh, but yeah, and then depending on if these are tagged for cloning, you could actually clone one yourself and and then start to customize them. Um and then of course they have the curated collections here by subject area uh which is uh pretty cool as well. Um so yeah 9,6001 in counting. Um our uh our uh catalog is not that large yet. Um we have 10 so far uh but in the in the years that we've been working but uh they range from chemistry to communication and media um we do have uh an open pedagogy project element stories that was supervised by Nikkinson um and that was actually collaborative between chemistry students in the art school um in which Um the students in an illustration class um they illustrated stories about elements that um that uh were written by students in the class. So yeah, so it was uh stu authors are uh students in the foundation of college chemistry class. Chem 1140 illustrators are students in the illustration one and graphic design one classes art 2290 and art 3130 and going into the cont contents here. Um yeah so uh picking one at random here. Uh yeah, so the students in chemistry wrote these stories and uh uh kind of intended as like a uh um accessible sort of uh uh text of chemistry uh and yeah and then was illustrated by students in the art department. So again, sort of taking advantage of that interactivity and that pedagogic potential to engage students in this case from arts and sciences and bringing them together uh which I thought was just a super super cool use of the potential of press books uh to um to uh engage in open textbook publishing. Um yeah. Um then we have uh psychology uh art foundations uh social work there's that geography text I was talking about there's one that I uh made open educational resources for librarians and educators um STEM after school projects and survey of western art history which is our most viewed and linked to text so far um And I would say that yeah, it's a pretty healthy little catalog so far for 10 published books considering it's all sort of self motivated here and it's we have a very strong DIY aesthetic. Um going to head back to the uh um so I what this has enabled us to do then also is uh communicate value to faculty as we've been uh tracking the impact of these books because there's a built-in analytics feature. Um so it's not just a matter of tracking sort of page views and unique users which we do as well. Um but we track uh links from specifically university learning management systems. Um which hold water. Um, no, obviously I can't go into another university's Canvas instance, but um um if I'm seeing that um you know a a book is getting a lot of referrals from a certain university's learning management system canvas page then uh a a reasonable inference I think is that it's been used in a course there, right? Um or at least in some sort of training material um um at the very least it's been noticed by somebody who's building a Canvas course at that university and is being actively linked out to and then people are following that link and they're they're reading that text. Um so currently here's the list of links um uh link providers that are being followed. So um here's the full list of uh university learning management systems that are linking out to the books here. Um everywhere the university alliances in France and then Macau in the Philippines internationally. Um the kind of all across the US uh got um Australia. um Allison I think was the one that was in uh Canada and then just for fun too other linkers include like as a citation and encyclopedia bratannica and Wikipedia pages and links from various library cataloges as books that are being searched and state and government agencies too and so um you know I think as as a brief segue we can all agree right now that it's vitally important think that as librarians we regularly communicate uh the value of what we're doing in whatever organizational institution that we're part of. And um that can't just be a oneanddone thing, right? and and I I I had to work on getting myself out of kind of this mindset of just sort of like I'm just going to librarian really well and I'm going to sort of just be quietly competent and do a really good job and and and that and then you know not really sort of for some reason the idea of like consistent sort of self-promotion to stakeholders was not often at the a a huge consideration for me and I don't know why. Maybe it was something that wasn't really sort of a big part of library school for me. Um it wasn't something maybe that was ever Yeah, I I don't think we ever I'm trying to remember back to the classes that I took in library school, but I don't think we had like a marketing and outreach class that I took. Um, in hindsight, we probably should have, but um, you know, in learning in hindsight that like communication of value and as important as like return on investment, communication is now where you want to like convince stakeholders that if they are if they're funding you that there's a return on investment and that that requires consistent communication, right? That is a consistent sort of we're doing things and it's having an impact. And so any sort of regular consistent communication is good and uh this is one of those right. So I do regular um communication of here are the people who are linking to your press books. Here are the people who are linking them to and these are communications both to the faculty who have published them and also I can do these kind of communications. I we can put them in like the library newsletters and communications to the deans of therapy as well. And also I know that if I'm communicating these sort of analytics then these can show up on RPT documents these can show up in faculty annual review files right um in narratives and stuff um as uh sort of like extra evidence of faculty impact and then so that is all sort of like expanding sort of a general sort of awareness I think of the kind of impact and the kind of the value of of uh the library here and kind of what we're able to do and uh the impact that we can have. Um and so for me that's actually been a huge uh value ad of of Pressbooks to the library that and just the fact that we can uh work with individual faculty and have a happy outcome. They want to be able to create a Pressbook. they want to be able to create a textbook and we can do it with them. And Pressbook, it just looks really nice. Um the themes that you can uh create and it has that great Pressbook look. Um and then yeah, if you do it really well with them, then yeah, that's a that's that's a great positive association. Um, so, um, I have a pro and cons list in a bit and some Q&A, but we're coming up at almost 10:30. Um, so I wanted to turn it over to Jay first to show to talk about accessibility and actually show you what it looks like when doing some editing, specifically uh, this function that kind of will automatically um, mark some violations. Uh and then um at the end we can come back to some pros and cons and I have a link to well a links page uh for some helpful material. So uh Jay take it away and then we can come back at the at the end for some Q&A. >> Okay. Uh if you'll click stop sharing I'll make Jay a presenter and then we'll hear what he has to say. Here we go. All right, I >> think we're good. >> I will go with screen. Yes. Okay, there we go. All right. So, um I am also on the welcoming and accessibility committee at uh UNO Chris Library. Craig was as well. Uh, and that was uh kind of that's that's how he uh I believe got the idea to to uh uh suggest that I I work on Pressbooks with him. And I'm really happy that I did. Uh it's part of our the the three Rs of of accessibility is uh either retire uh outmoded um resources uh completely replace them with something updated or uh what I'm doing the final R is remediate which uh to date I have done with uh nine of these these press books so far. Uh now this is an example of a chapter from a press book. You'll see there are a lot of icons and right off the bat they're telling you what could be issues. And I say could be because there are different colored icons. Uh the uh red as you will see down here is a clear accessibility issue like unforatted tables or inconsistent heading texts or or missing images entirely. Yellow is ambiguous. Um, and that could be like missing alternative text for images. And a blue check mark will be complete. That will show up here. You see that it says seven and it's red, which means that there are some serious ones in here. And also, you'll see that this is missing a title. It's just it's just number one. So, let me show you what it looks like on the admin uh back end here organize book. I'm going to go into the chapter page and you'll see actually almost double the accessibility issues that this one is finding and I'll show you why in a second. But first, I'm going to click show title. save it. Do a little bit of Yeah, there we go. Okay. So, uh the text that I have here uh that I kind of uh tweaked a little bit to have issues is from uh six common accessibility errors on websites uh from uh the CargI website. And this is going off the understanding that uh about six accessibility issues account for like six errors in in in uh web design and in uh online textbooks account for about 90% of accessibility issues that people face and I will be interpreting these six issues uh for uh press books accessibility. So, okay, we're going to start with low contrast text. Uh, right off the bat, this is not a feature that Pressbook supports is is looking at is is detecting low contrast uh text. And it's a reminder that as of now, at least, uh, the best accessibility scans do not replace uh don't completely replace the role of a human checker. Accessibility issues often require context to identify and especially to fix. So here is a free resource that can be used. This actually let's go and this will simulate what counts as accessible text. There we go. That's pretty accessible. That's black on white. It's about as high contrast as you can get. So change this real quick. Much better. And none of these uh changes save until I hit save. You'll be able to see the history of how many saves you've made as well as who who has done them. Uh, sorry. And real quick, Jay, not to interrupt, but um just to kind of uh be um to kind of folk um just to note that uh you also intentionally we went in and made the uh text here much less accessible so that it would display more errors so that they could be fixed because just copying and pasted in there actually it wasn't wasn't that. Um, so it felt like the Carnegie uh site about the six most common accessibility issues actually had that in the air. We actually >> Yes, the the the Carnegie site was was actually incredibly like whenever I when whenever we just did the standard copy paste, there were zero accessibility issues because it carried everything over, even alternative text for the images. Um, which is awesome. Uh, okay. So, we're going down to uh missing all text is another one of those six issues. Uh now, uh let's see. Alternative text is one of the big red issues here. Image has no alternative text attribute. You could fix you could add the alt text here. I like to just click on the image so that I can see the image as I'm adding the alternative text. If you just hit fix add text, it just brings up a little text box. So, this is not that's not the best description, but this is just a demo showing that it is now fixed. Uh, and and with that becomes a a danger of like simply linking an image URL. It's something that you can do in ad me in ad media. you can insert from URL, but URLs can break or change over time. Um, so many times I'll find a correct image or a best approximation of a a missing image uh that was that was due to this this URL uh only by scanning by scanning the the image accreditation on said broken image like this uh if one is has been provided. if not more context clues are needed such as like the topics in the the paragraphs that the chapter is discussing surrounding the broken link. Uh Pressbooks does have a a cache of images that you that that you have uploaded. So those will be safe if you've uploaded it from a device. Um so different different uh Pressbooks subscription plans will determine the size of that cache uh in in megabytes. Okay, let's see. empty links. Uh so luckily in Pressbooks there is no uh capacity to have just an empty link. It it it doesn't show up. Uh but here's a live demo of how to make sure that link text is accessible. We'll go up to one of these how it just says click here. It says is this link meaningful and concise? Uh reader skim for links. And this is especially true of screen readers. Uh something that just says click here is not really descriptive enough for for people using screen uh screen readers. So I will instead change it back to what the original link was. And I will delete this entirely. All right. Now you'll see there's still a question mark and that was for the first link. You'll see is opening a new window expected. This is a very common uh ambiguous yellow alert here. And you'll see that it has six similar issues. So, there are six there are six other links on this page that have this warning saying that clicking this will open a a new uh window or a new tab. And I like that. So, I'll hit mark as okay. Now, we're going to watch this go down a little bit. I'm going to compress these other two of the six major issues into one. In my interpretation for Pressbooks, it's missing labels and empty buttons. Now, there there are uh designators for things like drop- down menus, um fillable forms, uh radial menus, interactive buttons. That's what what these two uh are are talking about. about how like uh interactive elements on on your screen will be improperly labeled and that's an accessibility issues in Pressbooks. Uh those buttons and drop-own menus, they're available if you download specific uh HTML plugins which you can uh you can do all this in HTML in in in code and change things in code. Um but the only buttons that you commonly see in Pressbooks are uh chapter navigation buttons in a table of contents and those aren't really programmable. uh assignments such as like Q&A assignments that at least that I've encountered were not really meant to be interactive, but we can talk tables. Now, this is what I was talking about earlier uh whenever Craig was talking about the uh learning curve. Anytime I saw a table, I would uh it would it would make me a little anxious because I was like, how do I fix this? And it's a it's a big red issue. Uh now luckily Pressbooks has a guide and the guide is also built um off of forums that editorially uh hosts where uh editors from from uh institutions all over the country or world can talk to each other. They can uh they can propose changes and those changes can be in instated in Pressbooks. They definitely listen to the community. So, let me just make this quick fix here. All that was going on here was that it needed a header cell. It needed like almost like the the um a heading for for the table to make sure that screen readers uh can can accurately see where this where this starts. It's opening new window expected. Okay. Mark all like this as okay. Now we just drop down. Okay. And we still have a few left. And this is where I will go to our last issue here is missing language. Uh now the the HTML this is this is definitely like a code for sure but uh it definitely applies even in in tables too. If if there if if you have to like reformat things in tables, that would be something to go to in code as well. And this is how to make uh your table more accessible for screen readers. Uh now, uh something that you can do in visual, which is where most of us, I mean, will be spending our time in is is in the more simplified interface. It's definitely where I've spent the most time is headings. There is a whole heading hierarchy. Uh this this shows the the importance like heading level one. That's that's basically uh that's that's like right below the the title. So that should be the first thing that screen readers read for for people who use them. It's currently marked as heading three. I'll mark it as heading one. And now it has an entire hierarchy. It's saying should this be a heading? Why yes, it should. So, and this will be a series of quick fixes. And something that you can see that I'm doing is making it consistent. If you are uh editing an entire press book and uh your your heading hierarchy is different from page to page, that could be that could be confusing. So something that I would most certainly recommend after you are done with the entire press book or or maybe once you've slipped into that ri that rhythm, you know kind of what to anticipate as you're remediating a textbook just to go back through that textbook and make sure that the heading hierarchy is um is uniform. Like say that this uh attribute this attributation was part of the the the missing language section. It's it's not, but say it is. Then that would be heading three because heading two came before and so on and so forth. Um, so it's all about committing um to a style. And now let's just get rid of some of the other ones here. I will make this a table. There we go. See, just like little quick fixes here. And then finally, wanted to show that uh media can just be essentially dragged and dropped into here. Um yesterday we we looked up a just a podcast episode on Spotify, copied and pasted it, and the media just formatted itself. And the same thing with a uh video file. Um, this looks rather large here in the editor, but it it fits to the screen more whenever you're looking at it on the front end. Now, is this video accurately captioned? It's another great one. Now, look, we have the blue check mark. So, let me save it. And now let's go back to that preview. And you'll see blue check mark. This is now able to be read. It's uh by by screen readers it is completely accessible. There's no issue that it found. And then me doing my own manual check as well. I can confirm that. So, uh, that is an example of how to remediate a press book. And then Craig, I can hand it back to you. Let me just hit stop sharing here. Okay, awesome. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you, Jay. Um, and go back here to work. Um, right. And go back to my hand. Uh, so Joe, we go. Um, can you make me a presenter again? Um, Sally, would you be able to make uh Craig a presenter? >> I'll do that. I assumed he was again, but Okay. Yes. Sorry. >> No worries. Okay, awesome. Yeah, so um thank you Jay. Uh, and uh, at the end I got a QR code to actually a little page I put in the same UNO shell book uh, that's public that has some helpful links including a link to a longer presentation that Jay put together for a recent uh, Nebraska OEER statewide convening about remediation um, with Pressbooks. Uh, so uh, yeah. Um just getting into kind of to wrap things up generally you know what we found to be the kind of some pros and cons with uh Pressbooks. Uh so for me uh one of the big pros with Pressbooks is um definitely the layout. Um I think just the the look of it is uh really really nice. um and the the number of themes that you can select from and the ability to um uh kind of have that I guess for that textbook look I suppose is um super nice. Um I'll uh switch over here to the media is uh and how the rest of us can make sense of it uh by Adam Ta in communication. Um it's just it's very easy to navigate um contents over here. Um collapsible uh table of contents here and uh navigation down here at the bottom. and yeah um just uh a really nice kind of slick presentation. Um and then also then through this uh the thing that I really like is that um because uh so Pressbooks uh the uh the text doesn't have font sizes, it just has font types. So there's heading one, heading two, heading three, paragraph. Um so it automatically will scale for any size browser. Uh and that includes also it will scale uh that video that you saw that Jay had in the podcast episode that that that scales as well. So, um I'm sure that y'all have all had the experience of uh trying to um read a PDF on uh a phone, right? And uh it trying to sort of pinch and zoom and uh it just it never goes well for anyone. Um it's but so for that um I think it's really great especially since so many students I feel like uh use their phones for the vast majority of the information that they consume. Um um accessibility helpful I should have uh more than that we just saw I should have added that I'm sorry um flatish learning curve um uh embedible media um easy to clone other material and analytics. The cons. Let's let's get to the cons now. Um pricing. So it's up to so it's $5,999 a year for for an institution up to 10 books. Um and then more for multiple institutions. Um see links QR code at the end for links to some alternatives including this platform called Manifold through um University of Minnesota Open Textbook Network. Um, we got really lucky here in that universe in that uh the the AMU system has a uh Pressbooks uh membership u or subscription and so we were able to to use that. Um otherwise uh I I don't think I would have been able to argue for the purchase of it. Um, I mean, a lot of libraries are dealing with flat budgets or declining budgets and, uh, you know, to to argue for purchases like that is tough and I get that. Um but um if you can put together um um one I mean if you can get funding for it, if you can find a partner who is willing to go internet with you, if you can get if you can write a grant, uh if you can uh find a partner who is already a member and uh collaboratively author or or or work on something in that regard, then that can work really well as well. Um or simply if you just want to be able to use the pressbooks directory to find creative common licensed works and use that as an open textbook resource for your students that's also a fantastic use of it as well. Um uh a con for creation can be that you know creation itself can be timeconuming surprisingly. So, uh, the first book that I really put together was that, um, book by Amy Haney, which is also the most, uh, has the most sort of unique visitors. Uh, and that was a survey of Western art history book, and that was over that first winter break that I was here. And thankfully, it's it's text-wise it's on the shorter side. Um, but I managed to do it over about a month, and it was it was a lot of hours. It was s I was shocked. Um, honestly, probably because I tried to do it over winter break and I don't know, I just I didn't think it would take as long as it did. Um, that's also a me problem because I rarely think that things will take as long as they do. I'm always like, "Yes, I can do that in this." And yeah, that's just one more project and let's do that as well. Um, but um, you know, for people who adequately budget time, it's probably not as big of an issue. I'm still working on it. Um but yeah, so uh I but if you're a library who's, you know, um we if you're already sort of having to budget a lot for labor time and be very uh careful about where you're allocating those hours, that's a consideration as well. Um you know, as well as finding people to do kind of regular support tasks like link checking images and things like that. Um, so yeah, useful links here. There's a QR code that'll take you to uh actually a page in the press book. Um, and then this goes up obviously on um YouTube as well, which is where you'll put your back episodes or are they up on YouTube or just on the encompass page, Sally? >> Yes, the recording will be on the Nebraska Library Commission's YouTube channel. >> Okay. So, >> yeah, >> that's all right with you. >> And they'll be up there as well. Um, yeah. No, that's fantastic. Um, and then of course, here's our contact information. So, you can get in touch with either of us, um, if you'd like some more information. Uh, yeah. So, please do so. Um, yeah, I think that pretty much takes us up to it. So, any questions for anyone in attendance? >> I'm looking at the question section and I have Thank you very much. This was fascinating. Um, but no questions. So, if people do have questions later, they have your email addresses. It's okay if they just ask you something out of the blue. I hope. >> Absolutely. Always happy to talk to anyone. >> Thank you so much. Now, I'm going to ask you to um stop sharing so I can share a little bit and tell people where the um recording will be. >> Okay. Whoops. [laughter] And hopefully they'll be up. There we go. This is the Nebraska Library Commission's web page. And we have a search box up here in the upper right. And you just type in Enco Compass. And you see the first thing that comes up is Encompass Live. And so far we're the only this is the only thing called encompass live. So you know it's going to be us. Here's here's the main page for our shows. These are all the upcoming presentations we're going to have. And right below that it says archived encompass live shows. And these are in order that they were given. So week by week here they go. And this is when Chrissa usually says how many years we've been doing this. and I forgot to check, but it's been a while. So, this was last week's show, and this show will be on there probably early next week because Christa's unavailable right now for um editing and and putting it up on our channel, but it will be there. And everyone who signed up will get an an email saying it's it's the uh the program is there now and you can uh access it at any time. >> There are Oh, go ahead. >> Oh, no. Sorry. I was just looking at the Sorry. I I thought you're done. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I uh I was just looking at the uh archive and it looks like the first Encompass Live recording is January 7th, 2009. That sounds right. >> So, >> oh, I didn't want to scroll all the way down there on camera because that will make you all dizzy. >> Thank you for looking. I should have checked that soon earlier, but >> So, I I Yeah, I I hope you all do something special for the the 20th anniversary in a few years. >> I'll mention that to Christa. >> Yeah. Well, a couple years really. >> Yeah. She always also reminds people that to look at the dates because the further back you go. We leave everything up here so you can watch one from that you can watch that original episode if you want to. That's fine with us. But we caution you that the further back you go, the more likely that there will be broken links uh in in the presentation or the person who gave the presentation is no longer at that institution but somewhere else which is fine because people move and grow. But um just so you know that looking at how long ago the one you are look watching how long ago it was recorded you need to be careful about just be aware that it won't all be available anymore some of the things they talk about but we're very happy to have them all here on a list for you and you can search all or if you're wanting to stay a little closer to now you can just search the the last 12 months and see what all is in there. You can also search by title or keyword in the in the space here. So, if you're looking for all the pretty sweet text that Amanda does for us once a month, you can bring those up that way and that can be helpful if those are the things you're looking for. So, that's where our web page is. We're also on um see I've just spaced out but oh I'm not a member so I never remember the name. I'll just move away from that. If you have again if you have questions oh we have we have a question now from one of our viewers that says do the regular support tasks include copy editing or do the authors handle that? I mean it depends. Uh so um I I help with the you know creation and uh setting up a book you know and just because I know how to use it at this point. Um >> and um but I can train somebody how to use a book and and add them as a user to Pressbooks and then they can do it themselves from there. So I have had people just sort of do it themselves um from the creation standpoint. So um Adam Ta's uh media is uh that was all him and uh he's doing his own um uh updates to it. Um others we've had faculty leave. So uh the geography human environment geography lab manual that was Zach Serriano but um professor Seraniano has moved on to another university. So that's currently actually being updated um uh but for the class by another faculty member. Uh the remediation work for all the ones that you saw was done by Jay. Um so it's kind of a mixed bag. It's kind of just seeing who is willing to take it on, who wants to take it on. Um and uh and then just kind of moving forward from there and you know just keeping a close eye on who you know bandwidth and labor availability and being careful kind of not to overload yourself. >> Thank you so much. That's very helpful. We really appreciate both of you being here. Thank you Craig and Jay for taking some time this morning to share all this information. And I think I'm going to watch the recording again next week so I can kind of cement some things in my head because I was listening and and trying to and looking at the the shared screens and I just think I need I'm going to need to go over it again. But we really appreciate your time and being here with us and thank you everybody who tuned in and thank you those of you who are watching the recording. We're very happy that you found this interesting as well. >> Have a great you having us. Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you so much. >> Have a great rest of You're so welcome. Have a great rest of the day, everybody. >> Bye.