Mostly Wise #1 - Matt McCusker, Andrew Huberman & Tom Segura

I keep seeing tweets about how everyone should be taking a erectile dysfunction medication. Is that true? >> Low grade, whatever it Yeah, like low dose of it. >> Tadalafil. So, tadalafil, which is the generic name for Cialis, was developed first as a prostate health drug. And then people took more of it and realized that at higher dosages it can be effective for erectile dysfunction. >> dose is good for prostate health. >> Low dose, like 2.5 to 5 mg per day, is very helpful for perfusion of the prostate. And also it causes vasodilation in the brain. So, things like strokes, I mean you want blood flow, right? You don't want excessive blood flow, like you're you've got a headache from it. But our chair of male sexual health and urology at Stanford, Mike Eisenberg, he came on the podcast and he said pretty much every male over 40 or so should be taking about 2.5 to 5 mg per day. >> Does it still get you pretty hard, too? >> It definitely will improve our >> Just curious. >> It [laughter] it will definitely um it will definitely notch up like erectile strength, but unlike, you know, some health people out there, I'm not like using the calipers to measure the strength. >> You know, I'd put [snorts] Yeah, I got you. >> someone else to measure. And and and and she tells me that like, you know, not, you know, it's all good. >> you mean. You just tell her close close her hand close her hand if you can. >> Well, no, I've never actually I've never actually subjected to the grip test. Um you know, >> I don't want to tempt anybody. >> Um but in all seriousness, you know, the drug this drug that was developed for vasodilation, which is now used for erectile dysfunction, it really was developed first as a prostate health drug. And a lot of sitting the the prostate's weird, too, cuz it doesn't get a lot of blood flow compared to other tissues. It doesn't have a >> Speak for yourself. >> Um same immune system. Uh yeah, well, >> What if you sit with a plug in? >> well, you're kegeling all day. So, you know, we realize, you know, Chris said to pull up to this little piece of tape so we didn't catch him kegeling under the desk, you [laughter] know. >> Kegeling kegeling. >> Isn't it I kind of feel like it could just be a a side up to normalize erectile dysfunction medication by dudes that have got erectile dysfunction. Like by doing that, every man should be taking it that nobody is then on the outside. >> Mhm. >> It's fair. >> The I take the six the it's like five to six milligrams in the morning. >> You do it in the morning? >> Yeah, every morning. >> There you go. >> What's a what's a little troke what's a little mint? Is that half? What's it like a you >> Oh, I don't know. I I mean, you can get >> one? Is that a full one or a half one? >> Of what? >> The tadalafil. >> Well, the I'm saying it they it depends on the uh prescription that you're given, right? So, like the six milligram thing is supposed to be for prostate health, but if you were like to get 25, 50, obviously that's like massive blood flow and you're you're going to you're going to take note. >> And and it can drop blood >> strong gust of wind >> yeah. And it can and it can disrupt, you know, lower blood pressure slightly and things like that cuz you you get in vasodilation, so you know, all the pipes are getting a little bigger. >> Yeah. >> So, but let's all take one right now and see like how the podcast >> Whoever gets the erection last wins. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> I have a strong mind. >> The >> This is not the podcast I signed up for. >> [laughter] >> But it all but to your point, it probably does feel safer for guys to call up their doctor and go, "Hey, I heard this podcast. I heard some, you know, MD PhD from Stanford, not me, but Mike Eisenberg said that I should be getting better perfusion in my prostate and I should take 2.5 to 5 milligrams of tadalafil, you know, and and there they just avoided all the statements about Cialis, ED, da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da and then, you know, they call another doctor and get a duplicate prescription and now they're taking double." You you can assume that some of that happens, but it's also cost like pennies. It's generic now the patent is out. >> know the story about how Viagra was found? >> I only know that it was very quick to market. It's one of these like remarkable discovery to suddenly like it was on the market. Um and that's just tells you how badly certain people wanted on the on market and to use it. >> story >> that they were trying to do something I think it was for angina. It was more heart stuff. And they found typically when medical trials finished and they asked people to give the medication back, people don't have any issue in doing it. And no one wanted to give the medication back. Like, no. >> Oh, this is >> And then they also noticed when the nurses were going in to do the checkups on the people during the trial that the guys were sitting weird. >> Oh. >> They were all like sitting like cross-legged to cover themselves up. >> Uh-huh. >> And uh from that they said, "Yeah, there's been this sort of weird side effect to this angina medication that you've been giving me." And uh I feel like I'm 14 again. >> Well, the younger guys are probably going to want to get on the tadalafil too, but maybe not for the same reasons. It does upregulate either sensitivity or number of androgen receptors, so your body can respond more and better to whatever circulating testosterone you have. So, there's a bunch of things that make it like a you know, a useful tool, but at this very low low dose, it will make you a little ruddy. Like a little you know, like it makes you a little bit red. >> Well, just cuz blood flow to it's to everywhere, you know, I'm sure >> I'm British. We're always supposed to be like >> going to develop >> like a pink people. >> You know, a lot of pro athletes take the low dose before games, too. Is that for anxiety? >> Uh I think just they just the increased blood flow is something that they want. >> Uh lowers blood pressure a little bit. That's why I was saying you take it later in the day it can assist. Kind of like feels like, you know, like a half like like a half-cock [clears throat] like half a cocktail. >> Be careful using a half-cock. >> No pun intended. >> I thought you meant like you got >> safe in this room, you know, I got comedians and Like you know, I'm >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> You know. >> I want to know your morning routine. >> Mine? >> Yeah, my Andrew spent it for a long time like optimizing people's mornings. I want to know what your morning routine >> Well, I heard you were talking about cortisol for a while, so I was waking up and just chugging coffee being like I'm up in my cortisol and I would have like a panic attack in my office and be like, "I don't know, [laughter] man. I don't know if I'm cut out for this." But no, I wake up I wake up early, man, like 6:30. Every other day I'll take my kids to school and then I just go to the gym for like an hour and then >> Are they off on the other days? >> No, my wife does that. >> I thought you were like, they don't go to school every day. I was like, I was like, are you adopting cuz that sounds like [laughter] a good ride. >> No, man. We But yeah, I'm I'm pretty honestly I'm more locked in than I've ever been. I'm up every day 6:30 and you know, I just I'm I work out almost every day. >> Nice. >> I got fat. I got like fatter than I ever was. So I'm trying to like pay for 2 years, 2 and 1/2 years of bad eating. So I'm losing. >> You look good, Ben. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> You guys all look great. You you do the no shame if anyone does it anyone on the GLP? I'm not I haven't tried them yet. You know? [clears throat] >> Is that the that's the thing? >> They're real quiet. >> I tried No, I tried I tried it. I tried it in in '22, but I tried it after I had lost the majority of my weight. >> Okay. >> And I I got down, so I was like I hit a wall at like 2 12, 213 and I was like, oh, I want to get to like 200. And I took it for like a month. But I didn't eat. >> Oh, yeah, that's the >> And so I lost the 12 lbs. And then I was like, yeah, but I'm like I'm not eating at all. >> Yeah. >> So I got off of it and then gained the 10, 12 lbs back. And then I kind of just floated there for a while and the thing that actually jump-started getting down again was doing a fast. I did a 5-day fast. >> No water? >> No, I had water. But a 5 days of no food. Okay. And I anticipated that I would like I knew that once I resumed eating that I would gain some of the weight back, but I gained none of it back. And then I went into a production. And on the production the thing is if you're in like every scene you you don't want to eat a lot. Like if you're in every scene, right? So like I would get on set at like I don't know. Like the makeup trailer like 5:30, 6:00 in the morning. They're like, what do you want to eat? I'll be like, just a little bit of fruit, little bit of egg whites. Then you shoot for like 6 hours and you break for lunch. So you you pick a little bit at lunch and then you have to shoot the rest of the day. So the only like real meal I was like that was full I was having was at the end of the day I was having dinner. And in the production, just by working, I lost 25 lbs. >> Damn. >> And then I gained like 10 of that back, so I'm still I'm like 190 right now. But it's from just like basically manipulating how I was eating and working out. >> Overworking yourself. >> from your show? For the >> That was from That was from the movie I did last year. >> Okay. >> And so and then I then when I came back I was like I'm going to gain all the weight back again, but I just started working out more like 4 days a week I work out in the in the in the mornings and just dialed in food more, like pay attention more. >> Yep. Yep. I have a question about the the whole thing with comedians and acting. >> Yeah. >> How come they're they're so good at it? Like it seems like like Theo's got a I haven't seen Boss Boys yet, but I saw the trailer. I'm like Theo can act. >> Mhm. >> You know, and then I obviously you like Jim Carrey as a comedian. All these people like all these comedian actors comedian actors comedian Whitney will show up in things, so is it an easy jump and if so, why? >> I think it's actually like it's really dependent. Some can really do it. Some can't. And the ones that can really do it have the dramatic capacity to do it, right? Like when you think of like Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, those guys were like incredible comedians, but they have this darkness and sadness within them which I think lends itself to dramatic acting, but I don't think that that's across the board because you I've seen a lot of comedians that are actors and then some some that really impress you, but it's kind of like you just never know. You just never know. [clears throat] >> It's hard to use you don't get feedback. When you do stand up people laugh. When you do when you act people go all right, that's fine. Keep going. Is that all? Is that the best or like what what are we doing here? And then you I started being like oh, they don't like you don't even get feedback. Then you hear someone will do a scene and the whole like staff will clap and you're just like, you, that was feedback. I'm not getting it. >> Yeah, well the thing is about you could tell about like comedians who act, especially at first, versus like experienced actors. Experienced actors, when they yell cut, the the experienced actor doesn't turn to the director and go, "What do you think?" They know what they're just like, "You come over to me if you want to. Like I'm not asking you for approval." >> They know how they did. >> They know what they're doing. Comedians they'll go cut and they'll be like, "What do you think?" >> Yeah. >> Like cuz they're they're waiting cuz we're used to the immediate feedback. >> What it would be the same as being on stage and going to the audience and go, "Did you like it?" >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You you noticed it, right? And then and but like yeah, some will blow you away with how talented they are as actors, but I think it's like it you never know who has it and who doesn't. It's a specific skill set, I think. >> Is it true that some actors just never leave character? I was I was listening to something about the filming of The Outsiders, the original movie, right? And someone was saying that like Tom Cruise like literally just stayed in character like the entire filming. >> these stories about who does that and like you know, famously like Daniel Day-Lewis Carey did it when he was doing the Kaufman movie. >> Like there's various stories about who does it. I talked to somebody who said they were on a set and the one of the other actors came up in character and was like, you know, like doing his voice and the director was like, "We're not doing this." And he was like, "Oh, okay. >> My bad. >> [laughter] >> Like like he was just like, >> "I'm not playing with this guy." >> 2017, I think it was, I met Pee-wee Herman at an art show. >> Uh-huh. >> And he was in the full getup. >> Yeah. >> And Paul, what's his name? Anyway, in real life I don't even know his real name. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, and uh >> Paul Herman? >> Her Something like that. >> [laughter] >> And and Laird Hamilton was there. >> Uh-huh. >> And Laird's like only Laird, right? He's not an actor, he's just like And I don't think he knew who Pee-wee was. And Pee-wee Herman like worked his way through this enormous wall of mostly women who wanted to get near Laird and um I was like, "Hi, it's so nice to meet you." And he was like talking to There's this moment where it was like Laird Hamilton and Pee-wee Herman. Pee-wee's just fully in character with the lipstick and everything. >> Yeah, I mean, so look, I I get how >> This was out in the world. It was It was like a West Hollywood art show. Yeah. >> I get how if you're really into character and kind of stay that way between, you know, setups and shots, like it can help, especially if it's like a really involved thing. But I mean, I think there's probably There's limits to where you want to take that. I've heard that like the most extensive was like Jim doing Andy Kaufman. Like there's a lot of stories about how he was just never breaking from that, but I don't think that that's mostly what people do when you talk about like method acting. >> Yeah. I My method is I I drink a ton of Dunkin' Donuts coffee and I think about my face the entire time. I just don't like what is my face doing right now? >> [laughter] >> Like if I get anxiety from caffeine. You drink a lot of You mentioned it three times. You're like, "If I drink a cup of coffee at noon, I'm effed." And then you're like, "I wake up in the morning, I slam a coffee." And then you're like, "I drink before >> You know who's actually a good actor? >> No no You know who's a really good actor? This guy. They do these ads for Neutrogena and these other things. I'll see it on Instagram. I'm like, this is It actually passes for a >> I I can't stop thinking about the fact that you're obsessing over your face. >> The whole time. I'm like, "What does my face look like right now?" >> Do you mean like what am I emoting? Like is it >> Yeah, like what does it Does it just look like I'm thinking about my face or does it look like I'm sad? Like I I don't even have a broad range of emotions. >> We've only met in person for a little bit, but I'll tell you right now, you're pretty deadpan. >> Ah, am I deadpan? >> Pretty deadpan, yeah. >> Behind this face, it's just a swirl of just emotion and chaos. [laughter] Am I deadpan for real? >> You're pretty deadpan, yeah. >> That's funny. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I don't feel deadpan. >> All right. >> That's crazy, though. >> I appreciate it. You're You're pretty You got poker face, too. >> I mean, you know. >> [laughter] >> I I But I don't act. >> I mean, this guy was on reality TV so >> Yeah, but you were on last season of Ties as well. Are you in the next one? Do you know if you're in that? >> Yeah, same thing. But I again I get done and I'm like >> What did my face do? >> have been terrible. That had to have been terrible. And then I see it and people are like I didn't realize that was you and I'm like Dissolved into the role yeah. >> Yeah, because you were on this deadpan. >> I'm completely confused. I'm waiting for someone to be like you get the out of here now. You >> What are you doing here? >> What are you doing? Get away from here. >> I think that's a very comedian's perspective on it. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> I really do. >> Imposter syndrome. >> Yeah, for sure. And that's why he's good and that's why he thinks that way. You know if he was like I'm the he probably wouldn't be any good at it. Yeah. >> Has there been any research done on comedians? Like if if we put Tom and Matt in a lab, do you think there's some scans or tests or biomarkers that you could do on them that would identify what they've done as a career? >> Oh, that's a tough one. That the only science that pops to mind is and Tom and I have talked about this before but is like there are studies there are some interesting studies like the the classic studies of memory were all done on this guy HM, this patient who had damage to the hippocampus like a critical region of the brain for encoding memories. And you could walk in and introduce yourself, walk out and then 5 minutes later walk in he would not remember your name. And they tested you know he wasn't faking it. They kept you know at this for decades. And if you told him a joke he'd laugh and if you came back and told him the joke again, he would laugh a little less each time even though he was completely unaware that he'd heard the joke before. So that's kind of interesting right? There's something kind of unconscious and then I think it was you Tom that said this that there's also something weird about comedy which is for many other things like visual art or music, like if you don't like opera and then you listen to a lot of it and you start looking for certain things and you kind of develop a a sense of the nuance, you can start to really like it. But with comedy it either lands with you or doesn't and if you hear something you don't more than once it just sounds worse. >> I think that it's the most like art is is obviously and you know you have involuntary reactions to like I like this painting, I like this song, right? But like what I was saying is like you could see a painting and not care for it but maybe somebody comes to you and like explains the history or the the the the technique that was used and then all of a sudden you start to appreciate it more but I think if you go like that's not funny, it doesn't matter who tells you what you're just like it's not funny to me, you know? So in that sense I think you have like the most people have a completely involuntary reaction to what they find funny or not funny. >> But you it's pretty hard to deny good music. I think music and beauty are two things that sort of penetrate in that way. Kanye, dude. Kanye, like just not had a great run over the last five years like brand-wise. He's got such bangers that he can sell out a stadium two nights in a row like 30,000 people and stand on top of the world and everyone be like yeah, he's still unbelievable what he does. His music's undeniable in a way that other art forms aren't. >> He just took it to her or something. >> He was on top of the globe? >> did that one. >> [laughter] >> I I heard he >> Have you seen his list where he published that people I hate list? >> [laughter] >> His lists are amazing. You haven't seen these? I don't have my phone with me but occasionally he'll just tweet like people I hate. [laughter] It's like a revenge list. But what's wild >> Someone should find that. >> It's [laughter] he's on one or two of them. But then some people show up on multiple lists. These lists are insane. [laughter] >> Everyone hates you but for different reasons. >> It's it's kind of nice to be that free though too. Don't you kind of like he says and you're like bro, come on man. But then you're also like this guy's so free that he doesn't care what he says like yeah. >> Like you just can't deny music in that way. Like if you've got bangers, people are just going to let >> But to to extend that to comedy and art, people always say you know it's all subjective but I do think that greatness is objective. Do you know what I mean? Like you can say like this guy's not funny, that guy's not funny. But if you're trying to say that like I don't know, Richard Pryor George Carlin, Eddie Murphy. If you're like they're not funny, I think you're objectively wrong or deaf. Yeah, like you're just you you can say I guess you don't find it, but you are actually, I think wrong. Like greatness is greatness, right? Like you can't argue with a certain level of great art. I suppose you might not like the genre of someone's music but you would have to go well, I like like they're a savant at whatever they've done. >> Yeah. >> Like you don't need to like hip-hop to say >> have to like classical music. You're not going to say like Beethoven's trash, right? Like >> It'll be hot take. >> That's a hot [clears throat] take. >> Beethoven's trash. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah, people always says not for me. Just like this is not for me. >> Yeah, yeah. >> That's interesting. >> People people are more personal when it comes to especially YouTubers, podcasters. >> Mhm. >> Right? Because the distance between whatever the art form is and the person is basically zero. It's like well, you're just you. >> Yeah. >> Right? You're just being you, which means that it's not just not for me, it's that person's a bad person and then it gets wrapped up in like morality and the sense of who they are. >> Yeah. >> The same thing is not true in any way for like a musician and someone who doesn't even perform with their real stage name, maybe they wear a mask on stage, they get dressed up and then comedians are sort of somewhere in between. >> Mhm. >> Right? Because it's like it's partly you, but partly not. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm fascinated by the the comedy thing cuz of the different cues. Like I said, unless they're deaf. Like if they can't actually hear the jokes. I was, you know, being kind of tongue-in-cheek there. But the but in in reality like some comedians I know this I notice they'll like how they use the whites of their eyes. Like, you know, they're like this kind of thing. Like they can they can punctuate >> Oh, yeah. >> with with with eye contact and and their >> Expression is so much of it, yeah. >> Yeah, that's a huge part of it and and I just I don't really understand physical comedy. I can't really get it. I would I have to say I wasn't really into the the Jim Carrey movies, you know? >> You don't like that. >> [laughter] >> Crazy like that, you know, all this like craziness. But I but I love the stuff he acted in. >> Yeah, I get it. >> You know, and um >> I just saw somebody like at the festival and like as soon as it got like real wacky, I'm like, "What the is going on?" Like [laughter] yeah, it throws me off, too. >> Yeah, I mean they eventually started animating him and it was like he became its own character, right? You know, or uh cartoon. Um it's wild. So I Yeah, there's a lot there and I think people are So I think some people are just tuned to pick up on certain things and and they There's an excitement that puts them at this edge. This is how I always feel as a spectator. >> Yeah. >> So I I don't play music. I know nothing about music except that what I enjoy. It's one of these areas I just I'm purely a consumer. Same thing with comedy, right? >> Yeah. >> And I feel like comedians do something or a combination of things that bring certain people to like this edge where they're like ready to laugh. >> Mhm. >> They're like you know, it's like the gun's cocked and loaded, you know, and so they're just like ready. And then you just have to let it let them go. And so some people they're hard to bring out a bit more and they probably respond to a different kind of humor. >> People Some people love that physical stuff. I've also been I'm sure you like you're in the room sometimes in in a club and someone's on stage and they are just murdering and you're like, "What's going on?" Like I like you're just like I don't even know what is happening right now. You're watching it and you're just like you feel like you're dissociating or something cuz you're like >> even know if you're supposed to understand what's going on. >> Yeah, you're like, "I don't get it." You're on next. You're like, "This guy sucks." >> [laughter] >> Well, there's also this interesting memory. Like Tim Dillon made me laugh so hard one time at the Comedy Store >> Uh-huh. >> uh with the I Am Your Mother thing. Like I did before I saw it on on online. I saw him do that whole bit. Is that what you call it? >> Yeah. >> And now when I see Tim Dillon, I start laughing. Like I'm kind of at the edge of laughter. And I'm not expecting him to make a joke. It's just somewhere in my unconscious mind. Like that's queued up. That's cute up and I'm just like this is to be >> He leaps into something. >> Yeah. So it's it's just >> He's really good. >> Ah, man. >> Especially when he's ranting like he's ranting for a whole show. It's like it's impossible >> I've never seen anyone better actually as as than Tim. He's alone it's one of the hardest things cuz when podcasting start like started big in comedy it was probably like 09 2010 is when people started to like really And when I would see the guys who could sit alone and do the hour alone and and make it interesting and funny I had tried it one time and I died. >> I was I feel felt crazy. >> Talking to myself. >> Having a conversation with myself. >> Cuz like where do you go? >> Build it really well. >> Notes help. >> Yeah. [clears throat] If you at least type out some thoughts it can help but just going to >> conversation with yourself. >> Yeah, we can I can talk to myself a lot but if you're trying to like sell it it's that's tough cuz it doesn't usually doesn't make sense. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> You're just talking about what your face is doing the whole >> I've done it I've done it a couple times. >> It feels good. >> When you do it and it goes well you feel really good but when you lose the thread you're like >> You got to have like some place to go to start Alex Jones. Yeah. Alex Jones theory the OG legend. >> [laughter] >> For doing what? >> Just being able to solo like he was the original Yapper. >> Yeah. >> Right? He can just three hours a day. >> Dude, that's wild. >> Isn't that like the Rush Limbaugh kind of thing? >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah, yeah. I feel like Alex Jones kind of built off Rush Limbaugh. But with uh >> Rush but like cooked up. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. And then a and then a bunch of very costly to him false statements about >> About >> School shootings. >> One one one significant >> [laughter] >> He wasn't He fed himself misinformation. >> No, that was I was not I don't want to get involved in the lawsuit. >> [laughter] >> I don't know what happened. >> No, it it did he >> But you know >> I'm going with the original news story on that. one. >> him. >> The The Onion now own InfoWars. >> they own InfoWars. >> insane. >> Yeah. They bought They I don't know whether >> there a more Onion thing to do like it's it's >> The first video they did was an impression of Alex Jones drinking the blood of Christ and it was red wine. >> [laughter] >> And he's like it's available at the InfoWars store. I think like if they'd released their own red wine under that brand [laughter] like InfoWars red wine blood of Christ wine. >> Doesn't he owe like a billion dollars? It's like a few hundred It's like a hundred really? >> Jared, that's Chad right. >> it's like a hundred hundreds of millions of dollars. >> I think at least a billion. >> But everything around him even though he's apparently a comedian and a bunch of other things woven in there, too, gets real real real quick because someone got shot and killed on his team here in in Austin, right? He's talking about, you know, school shooting murders, this kind of thing like there's something he likes to I don't think he wanted that thing to happen to his staffer, obviously, but stuff just runs really into reality very fast with him. He goes there and it comes back to him. >> Yeah. >> Like not good boundaries. >> Yeah, it'll happen. >> No, no, no. 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That was 11 years ago and >> What show was it? >> You'll never season one. You'll never get the first person through the doors of Love Island >> Brit Hardy's all together on an island. >> Yeah, me I was the Hardy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, dude. >> That was a >> That's awesome. >> It was kind of like Navy Seal Hell Week but for reality TV cuz you don't get to leave. Like locked in this villa, no phone, no internet. >> But to his point >> of with a bunch of hot women, it's Yeah, sounds a lot like >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Let me call up some of my friends who are team guys. How is How How many hot women >> This is similar similar to your situation, right? >> Just horny to get on TV. >> You're not getting a lot of sympathy. >> Yeah. >> Do you find yourself in those situations in a reality show, there is like a bit of posturing and like there's >> cameras, so you're you're aware of this. >> Literally everywhere. >> So do you find yourself kind of like putting on, you know what I mean, a >> To a degree. It's really weird cuz they work super hard to try and hide the cameras. So let's say that we were talking and there'd be like a plant in the middle and the plant would have one of those little CCTV things that they could just spin around. >> So you're not like aware >> You're never really thinking about it and there's the huge big almost like sports TV bazooka things and they're over the far side, right? So this would be a bigger room. >> Whoa. >> And there'd be over the far side and then be zoomed in, and then the villa producer would come over and because they want to poke the story out. They can't take 3 weeks for you to ask this girl if you can kiss her. It's like it needs to happen today. So, I'll come over and they go uh Matt, how do you feel about Chris asking Andrew out? And he says, "Well, you know, I thought we were friends and it really turns out we're not, and I feel a bit betrayed by him." They go, "What What I think you should do, why [clears throat] don't you ask him to go and have a chat over by the fire pit?" And you go over to the fire pit and there's a army of different photographer video people all around there, but they're all outside the bounds and you're not allowed to talk to them. You can't talk to them. And this is the maddest thing, you never knew what time it was. >> And they feed you booze, too, right? Isn't there booze always? >> put a limit on after my season. >> Okay. >> Strategically. >> Right. >> Uh but even the the camera guys and the drivers, if you ever needed to go off site to go and do a date or something, they would change the time on the car radio. They changed the time on their watches or took their watches off. It was insane. You never knew what time you went to bed or what time you woke up. I think it's so they could control our sleep and wake pattern. >> Woah. >> It was really kind of weird. >> It's It's very cultish. >> Yeah. >> But I think it was just so that they could lock you into whatever you need The The first night we were there, everyone was super excited. We stayed up until what must have been 2:00 in the morning, 3:00 in the morning. And then someone got up and you It's There's half as many beds as there are people, so you're always sleeping with a girl each night. >> Aw, boohoo. >> I know hell week. Hell week. >> Yeah, it's butt school. Thank you, man. >> [laughter] >> And >> Did you say butt school or butt muscle? >> Uh and then we woke up the next morning and they came over the tannoy and they were like, "Hello, Islanders. You've been asleep for 3 and 1/2 hours. Can everyone please get back to bed because no one knew that we'd only been asleep for a little bit of time." One person's up and we're like, "Well, I guess I guess we must have been awake for a while." Whatever the So, it was Yeah. >> Not to inject some science, but because you said they're telling you how long you were asleep and you don't know how long you were actually asleep, there's some really cool data that show within limits if you see a great sleep score, cognitively and physically you perform better the next day even if your sleep wasn't that great. >> Really? >> And the reverse is also true. If you see a lousy sleep score and you actually slept great, your cognitive and physical performance takes a dive. >> Are you saying that the best wearable, like the best thing that Whoop could do would just be to always lie to you and tell you that you are feeling great? >> Technically yes, within limits. So if you sleep 3 hours, right, and it says oh you had a spectacular night's sleep, you're not going to compensate for that lack of sleep, right? So it's when it's when you're down or up about an hour or two of sleep. So the the real solution to this, sorry to make it so serious, let's go back to Love Island and butts or butts or whichever one it happens to be. >> Booty school? >> Um the best thing to do would be to check your sleep score against your subjective, like you write down you wake up in the morning like feel like I slept great. And then at the end of the week you compare your score to what you how you actually felt. So maybe check in like every four or five days as opposed to Whoop, got a 90, I'm good. >> Ruined today. >> Yeah, or more importantly if you get a lousy sleep score, you don't necessarily want to let that you know, worm in your brain. >> It brings me down. >> But this is like a real effect on on real cognitive and real physical performance. It wasn't some like like corny in lab test. I mean this stuff can make a big difference especially if you're operating at the level that you guys are and you're getting out there and you're like you know, I need to get this just right. So anyway, sorry to inject that but since they did it to you, um you know, so did you >> I fell in love on Love Island. >> I I was only there for 20 days. I don't think that's long enough. >> Dude, I've fallen in love many times in 20 [laughter] days. >> I think I read about that. I think I I think [laughter] I I think I read about that. >> That was something entirely different. That wasn't love. >> [laughter] >> It happens. No, I fall in love 20 times a day with one person. >> There you go. >> Yeah, she's so rad. >> That's cute. >> That's sweet. >> Are you threatened by the maxing movement? Have you heard about [snorts] this? >> That's a great question. >> [laughter] >> That's a good question. >> at me. >> Yeah. >> Do you feel >> Let me answer that the way I think you intended it. Yes, I am personally offended. >> No, threatened. >> Wait, do you wake up and you Are you like, "I'm maxing today?" What is that what you think? >> What is maxing? >> All right. All right. >> It's awesome. >> No, I actually >> What is this? >> [laughter] >> I've heard of look maxing. >> Yeah. >> There's looks maxing, then there's a guy who does what's called maxing, which is was popularized by of all people Marc Andreessen, who's easily one of the smartest people I've ever ever met. Know Marc real well. Um he's a big fan of maxing. maxing is this guy on the internet who what What, you want to explain? >> No, I'm loving it. >> It's It's so you know with all the stuff about get up in the morning and you know, do this and do that and you know, when you When you have a problem or all the kind of stuff that that, you know, Chris covers, you know, like about emerging dynamics of male-female relationships and self-perception and philosophy and he interviews like, you know, real thinkers and they have British accents and that kind of thing. This guy sits in his backyard, which is basically a farm, and he does this thing that he calls maxing, which is where you basically just don't think about at all. >> Uh-huh. >> You just do what needs to be done. If something bothers you, you just ignore it. >> Wait, is this the the the CEO that is like, "I don't self-reflect?" >> Marc Andreessen came on the David Sacks Yeah, so Marc Andreessen started >> Netscape. >> Right. >> And now he has A16Z, which is one of the, you know, biggest investment firms in uh in the Bay Area and all over the world, frankly. And he came on the David Sacks podcast, which used to which is a guy who also does the Founders podcast. David Sacks Sacks podcast, incidentally, put out by SaaStr. We loved the Founders podcast, so we brought Sacks over and he brought Marc Andreessen on. And Marc Andreessen said he used the words, these are not my words, he said, um "Great men of history did not sit around thinking about their thoughts and introspecting, you know, like introspection is not what we need to be doing. We need more action, less introspection." Yeah. Actually, Dana White kind of doubled down on this recently saying that he's not he he is not a fan of people men talking about their emotional challenges publicly. You know, that it's like get up, go to war, make money for your family. You know, sort of the old-school kind of stoicism thing. So, the the Marc Andreessen thing mobilized big discussion online on X in particular. One sort of angle of attack that he opened was, "Oh, I hear there's a billionaire who doesn't like introspection." And you know, and and I know Marc very well. He's not a sociopath. He's not He's a very, very kind person. I know his family. He's an incredible human being at many levels. I'm going to catch a lot of for saying that, but that's the truth. If you actually know him. All right. And now he's Now, no, no. [laughter] He then made a plug for maxing. He was like, "Hey, there's this guy on the internet who basically doesn't say and all he just says, "Just handle your business. Do what you need to do and stop thinking about things so much. Don't ruminate so much." And he said he was a big fan of this maxing. So, building off of looks maxing. And then that caught some momentum. And so, now the big thing is introspection. Like, should we introspect? Should we think about and reflect on who we are and what's challenging us? I mean, and Dana was basically saying, "Hey, listen, a lot I think the point Dana was trying to make was that men's mental health, while critical, right? Suicide rates are way up. Like, we all acknowledge that. He made a very good point, which is often times getting into action and doing things as opposed to being online and thinking about your problems and rumination is a very dangerous place to be. You know, so he said, "Get up and work and provide for your family." And but it when he and Marc said these things, it came across as a little bit dismissive of the idea that emotions are relevant. And I do think, you know, they have a a point in the sense that I think we need to balance out some of what we've been hearing a lot of over the last few years, sure, which is that we need to think about every aspect of self, every aspect, you know, like too much therapy is not not good. >> Yeah, if if you spend your time just like thinking and not doing. So, cuz it feels like that's kind of the the note behind the note, right? Is like if you just sit and introspect and think and you just sit in like I feel this way and you never actually take action, then you're just literally not doing anything. But I think there's kind of levels to like I think it's good to to be introspective to a degree, check in with yourself, you know, express how you feel, but don't just sit there and say this is how I feel and then don't do anything. >> I mean, there's a there's a kind of a larger perhaps deeper discussion around like to what extent And Mark Andreessen said this as well, like people who've tended to accomplish a lot of great things often times have some pretty rough edges. >> Yeah. >> I grew up in the town where Steve Jobs was around. He used to come in and get rollerblade wheels at the skateboard shop where I worked. And like, he was kind of a rough edge guy. He didn't wear shoes. And you you know, when he wanted what he wanted, he wanted it. Then he was known for yelling at people. He'd drive 95 miles per like you, not even this guy. Yeah, [laughter] likes to drive fast, you know, he got on it. You know, and so there was this there was this time up until phones with cameras. Thank you, Steve Jobs. There was this time up until phones with cameras where people were kind of celebrated for being big personalities with some rough edges, but for the great things that they did. Now, it's there's a movement largely from the left of like, "Hey, you know, everything needs to be rather tempered, right? You can't be a big personality unless you're perfect in every dimension." And if you look, I mean, historically, you look at any public figure now, like you're going to find, as you said, there's that dark and light. Those And Mark's whole thing is those things go hand in hand. Like great CEOs often times have some strong disagreeableness. They rate highly on disagreeableness. Um they're conscientious, right? But they also are kind of high-friction people. >> But some of the like you know Mark and you're like this is good but some really high-achievers historically, even now, men let's say that are really high-achievers, that get a lot of things done and have accomplished a lot, are also like from many people's accounts like terrible people, you know? >> Yeah, I guess the question is how close are those people to the actual person, you know? >> That are saying that? >> Yeah, I mean I think right now there's a lot of hatred of billionaires. >> Sure. >> And look, I was born and raised in in Silicon Valley. So, going big is like a thing. Like even my friends who got into skateboarding in the Bay Area, like they weren't thinking about becoming billionaires, but like the Embarcadero Plaza in the early '90s, those guys like started big companies and like went big. Rob Dyrdek, he's from, you know, Midwest, but then came out with shows and then he's like ridiculousness >> I mean, I have no beef with it whatsoever. >> going big is is a theme in tech, right? >> Yeah. >> And everyone uses these platforms and everyone hates these people. But I don't know. I'm I know some of these people. I'm not like super close with them, but I I like Mark. I trust Mark. I like the other Mark. I trust that Mark, too. Um I know, you know, various folks that at who run these big companies and do I think they're perfect? No. >> No, of course. >> Um but I could Listen, if I were start talking about Nobel Prize winners, past and present, man, the men and the women, very complicated people. Like you want to do a deep dive on the complications of science funding? Like look up Jonas Salk and who he married and getting money and then the work that he was able to do by virtue of his marital relations and things. I'm not saying he used his wife to make money. >> funding? >> Many There's many examples of this in science. You know, money fuels science. You can do more science with >> to love some science, you >> a lot of interesting and it's not sorted, it's just sort of it's They're still humans, you know? So, anyway. >> But if you've got constant CCTV cuz there's a phone camera within two yards of you everywhere on the planet, those rough edges look a bit more harsh when they're scrutinized. Is that what you're saying? >> Yeah, I mean I have this whole opinion this purely opinion now about what a cameras have done to sort of what we need in order to really make a strong assumption about somebody. So in the like in the past you could just say hey this person like I don't like them based on one thing they said and you're entitled to do that. But I think two things have happened in the last couple of years that have completely transformed like what our expectation is about how rumor matches up with reality at least for me. One would be and this is an unfortunate it's a bad incident right would be the you know there was all this speculation about Diddy and these Diddy parties right? And everyone expected like at some point there's going to be a video. Guess what? There was never actually a video aired right? But there was a video of him beating up this woman. That sort of raised the threshold for what people need to see in order to be like okay that actually happened okay? The other one was this Coldplay concert thing. Like that Coldplay concert where the couple got caught cheating or whatever like whatever the context of their backdrop of their relationship was totally uninteresting to me but you could not have created this was like opera right? They're at a concert they're cheating. The guy goes oh look at these two lovers right? The guy is not just any guy and then there's this moment where they're in the like oh that's us. Then there's this [clears throat] moment where they're like oh yeah So it went from kind of like delight to shock to shame and then so we got to witness the whole arc. Now I wasn't interested in that but the whole world jumped on that because it's like the human drama playing out in real time. So now when somebody goes oh I heard that this woman had a kid with this guy I don't even know their their names you guys probably I You know when she named her kid after this guy, and like oh, it it has this kind of low-level like whatever what happened between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively and this and that. And it's sort of like Yeah, where's the video? Show me the video where this people don't people and so the press can go back and forth and back and forth and people kind of pick their camps. But I think real things being captured on real video has set the stan- like not standard. Um low standard, high threshold. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And so I think that's changed. So now if somebody goes, "Oh yeah, these guys are you know, sociopaths." You go, "Show me the data for sociopathic." People actually now need to see data. It's not sufficient that somebody write some little thing about one little thing. They need to see the video. >> Do you have a thing >> is what what actually shifts people's minds. So if people are saying, "Hey, this billionaire founder, this billionaire founder, this billionaire these guys are terrible people." >> Right, right, right. >> How are they terrible people? >> Yeah. >> Show me them being terrible people. I don't want to see it, but I just don't see evidence of it. So I think it's just turning to chatter and I think it's just going to turn to fog and then I think it's going to just go away. >> Well, yeah, I think a lot of it differs though. Depends who it is. There's different billionaires doing different stuff, so. But I I agree. If someone just has a billion bucks, I wouldn't hate them just because it's like you shouldn't have that much cuz someone else is >> busy and you're doing well. I think it's very easy to get upset with other people cuz it's a lot easier than like getting up and doing something. Like re-tard maxing is hard. >> It is hard. It act- That's 100% true. Also, good news. I think the couple the guy who did squeeze boobs at the Coldplay concert, I think he's back with his wife now. >> Wait, squeeze boobs? I thought that was like >> Frank No, he did everything short of second base on the jumbo tron. >> [laughter] >> That's what he was caught doing. He was hugging from behind. He was honking from the >> was her boss. >> He was Yeah, he was And she was HR which nobody touches HR. That's crazy. >> And she was married. I was saying >> honk on HR. >> Oh, She was the HR lady. He was the boss. It's like the most forbidden thing possible. >> She did this whole thing like New York Times ran this thing about how hard it was for her afterwards. They tried to do this kind of rest. She's a promotion Yeah, she's is speaker about >> getting getting tits squeezed. >> Yeah, so it's like it that doesn't define me, basically. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So. >> I have more than that. And the real question is what were the rules for HR at that company? [laughter] >> She's on hire, she can never get hired again. >> never be HR again. >> once, you're done. >> Yeah, you can't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, only fans. >> That's how you come to know yourself. >> I do think you can like email yourself. >> [laughter] >> You can find the fact that >> Yeah. >> I might be taking the 91 straight. >> You know where where it's at. >> might be like if you got any evidence. >> But let me put it in your arena. For with comedy, if I watch >> comedy like in the the Tonight Show in the 1950s, it's very ho-hum. >> Yeah. >> For now. >> Yeah. >> But you know, some of the stuff that was on game shows in the '70s was kind of edgy, right? You know, you'd like kiss the guy's wife and go, "Oh, you know." And then now we've there's just so much that's been out there >> Yes. >> that your threshold, just like eating very, very flavorful food with a bunch of crap thrown in it, like it raises your threshold for what you consider sweet or salty. >> Yeah. >> And so there's just sort of like emotional recalibration that needs to happen, but we're still on this I don't like the word ascension cuz it comes from that like looks bad thing. >> [laughter] >> Um they're got All the words are taken. >> Right. >> All the words are taken. >> Yeah, all the fun all the fun ones. >> But in any case, sorry, you were going to make a point. >> I was saying I was just saying that like I I also just think it's super lame to like that everybody just goes, "I hate so-and-so cuz they're basically successful." You know, like that's a that's a big thing in society now is that, you know, the eat the rich, hate the like punish them is like Sure, I understand sometimes when they go, "This is like a legacy thing where like this person just inherit." But like when people start a company and do well and then you just hate them cuz they did well, it's a it's really >> It's interesting the taglines eat the rich or tax the rich, not help the poor. >> Right. Yeah, punish them, not >> Help the people >> supposed to be. It's the first step, right? Which is we don't like those people as opposed to we do like these people and we think that they should be helped. >> Also, everyone uses these products. I mean I mean like, you know, it if you really truly hate somebody so much that you're willing to, you know, defect from their their product line. But, everyone uses them, so obviously they don't hate them that much. >> you Have you seen >> What if you put a bumper sticker on your Tesla says anti-Elon? >> I bought this before. >> I drove a 4Runner, but I've heard these new Teslas that drive themselves are are awesome. >> They're robo taxis. >> It's just so funny to buy a car and be like, "By the way, I don't like the guy. Just drive the car." >> [clears throat] >> Or just sell it. Sell it, Like [laughter] you hate it so much. Just sell it. >> What are you driving nowadays? This guy's like, "Are you a car fanatic?" I have a Subaru. >> Uh no, not really. >> [laughter] >> What's your What's your >> his car. >> It's all Porsches for you, huh? >> I like Porsches, yeah. Yeah, it's fun. I like I still love my I honestly love my GT4 the most. It's my favorite one. It's not even like the craziest car that I have, but it's the the some you I think when you get into cars, you're always like, "Oh, level up and the next crazy thing." And then you find that like, "Oh, that's the what you actually are looking for is the fun of driving." Sometimes the fun isn't in the craziest thing out there or the fastest thing. It's something that the feel, the experience of driving is the thrill. And for me, it's still that car. Yeah. >> relationships. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Have you guys seen >> [laughter] >> Dude, this >> Feel the one. >> I didn't hear that, but I'm going to, you know. >> Did you know your gut controls your energy, your recovery, how well you absorb everything that you eat, and the one nutrient that keeps it all running properly is fiber. Well, it turns out that 95% of Americans don't get enough of it, which is why I'm such a huge fan of Momentous's Fiber Plus. Most fiber supplements are one-trick pony, one type of fiber solving one part of the problem. Fiber Plus is a three-in-one formula built to tackle digestion, gut barrier strength, and blood sugar stability all at once. 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So, you load in all of the previous chats that you've had with your ex-girlfriend or ex-wife and all of the photos and then you train the AI to create an exact replica of them and they know where you've been on holiday and your little in jokes and the cute names that you call each other and all of your memories and then basically it's like you're still in a relationship with them like you never broke up. >> That seems like a healthy thing to do. >> Well, I don't know. I I could just Sorry, you're saying to to to indulge in this. Oh, I I thought you meant to put it out to the internet. >> Oh, that you could date my ex? >> to attack the to attack the internet. >> Date my ex. >> This was my experience. You can see how this went. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Hey, look, I know that you think that I might have been in the wrong here, but you can interact with my ex for five minutes and look at the gaslighting. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I wonder if you could just feed it all in like who was right. >> Well, this is >> Who is the owner? >> Who is this? Open AI. I played around with Open AI's playground. >> it. We're really down in the gutter. >> Create your own chatbot and plugged in scripts of text messages and basically like she's saying it's a way of coping to mitigate some damage done to other people or even my ex because I direct any desire of reaching back out or having to rebound to chatting with the AI. I don't have a sex drive except for wanting my ex to touch me again. So, there's the other issue. This has been satisfying my emotional needs. She does go a little bit further down. She's like, "I have been training it to be a little bit more like him." I'm like, "This just feels like like you're you're trapped in purgatory with this relationship. This could really be a disaster. It could be a nightmare. But, the other thing is like is this a little Are you Do you own your own likeness over text message? Is this a little bit like I don't know. I guess you can replay the news to >> There are definite laws about what I mean she can put certain things out there perhaps, but I don't think you can >> She's not making it public, right? It's just like it's just privately Yeah. >> But, I feel like this is ultimate like she says >> "I love being your little spoon." Like I love being your little spoon. X. And then he goes, "X. That's my favorite cuddling position, too. I love being able to wrap my arms around >> healthy. There's no way that's [clears throat] healthy. That's >> I I get the part where like the line of like is going to help me from reaching out when I shouldn't. >> But, ultimately >> [laughter] >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. We're in the data now. Me. I always love being your little spoon. Okay, I could imagine a woman saying that. I'm assuming that's a woman. And then him. X. Assuming it's a him. That's my favorite cuddling position, too. I love being Chris, did you really write this? >> I didn't write this. >> [laughter] >> Why would you blame me? Is this because of the re-time that you're still bitter about the re-time? >> A little bit. A little bit. >> That's your That's a ex-girlfriend building almost like a nuclear weapon text against you to be like I figured a lot of things out with you. And I figured out how I can fix you. >> [laughter] >> Read what this version of you does and do this. >> Yeah. >> Oh my. >> Yeah, that's terrible. >> It's a training data. >> Wait, do you ever think about you know how you're talking about cameras everywhere? Do you think that with the amount of cameras out today, that's why we don't have serial killers really anymore? Like, you know what I mean? Cuz like >> Now they just do mass shootings. >> Yeah. >> But, they all get is like very economical. They need to get it all done at once. Yeah. >> Forensics, but also cameras are everywhere. >> Dude, ring doorbells. We just We got one not long ago, and you don't It's crystal clear audio. So, you I'll get like a fight with my wife, walk outside, and be like, "Fuck this." AND I'LL BE >> [laughter] >> OH, I'M RIGHT ON CAMERA. YOU'RE LIKE, "DUDE, YOU'RE up, man." >> to build that into the script. Just [laughter] watch out. >> Yeah, I need to grow up. you. And walk out of my house. >> That's when you feed the Ring doorbell camera into your X A I. >> [laughter] >> No, they're everywhere. Everywhere They're on like every street. There's I think there's more cameras in America than China if you include private Ring doorbells and all this stuff. >> Cuz like I watch these crime things all the time, and it's like somebody commits a crime, and they're always just like either Ring or like at a you know, like when you go through a toll, and it's like somebody gets like They always get caught so much quicker with technology. So, you don't have like all the you know, we growing up you had like all these crazy killer BTK and Bundy all these guys. And like I feel like you don't There's never those stories anymore. Like those >> But, they get caught so quick. >> That's what I'm saying. >> of the communication as well. So, I was watching a worst ex ever on on Netflix. And there was that Wade Wilson, the Deadpool killer. This dude that was in a relationship with like five four or five women at once. >> Tight. >> Um he >> Do not recommend. >> [laughter] >> What? >> [laughter] >> Uh-huh. He um He killed He killed [laughter] one of them, and then just went on a spree. Like killed one and got a woman from off the street that was walking to after dropping her kids off at school. Asked her for something, locked her in the car, strangled her to death. >> Jesus. >> Then left her in a field, and then was like just ready to go and do it again and again and again. But, like you you just go on a run, and then you get caught, and then it's done. >> Right. >> Like there used to be like 10 years, 20 years you can't find somebody, you know? >> Yeah. Or you could just move, and like your family couldn't find you. You could just go to another state. >> But, it sounds like you've you thought of it. >> I [laughter] know. I mean, you should be able to do that. >> The fuel station. >> The petrol station. The petrol station. >> I will say I before I got married, I tried that where I was doing online dating. So, you're like, "Well, this is dating. It's casual." There's like something weird about online dating. Then I was dating like four or five women, and I remember being like, "Just be honest, man." I would like tell them the deal, and they'd be like, "Fuck you. Get out of here." And I'd be like, "Well, I'm never telling you this again." >> [laughter] >> I'll keep this to myself for now. >> What do you mean tell them the deal? What do you mean? >> Well, you like you're going on online dates, and it's just like very fluid, and you're like you're not like boyfriend and girlfriend. We're just on dates. And you know, it's like they can't really tell you not to date other people. And then I'd be I remember like so you But then you come up with this like web of like relationships that's like not really that deep, but it's like it like by the minute gets deeper and deeper. And as soon as you're like, "Hey, here's I'm actually dating other people." They're like, "What the fuck?" And you're like, "Well, I don't even know you like this. What are we like verse Should we be like >> How long would you like be into it before you would >> A month. >> A month? Okay. >> maybe. I don't know. >> You'd gone out several times. >> Yeah. I start feeling myself. I'm like, "Here's the deal, babe." >> [laughter] >> Like, "Get out of my house." And I'm like, "All right. My bad." >> I tried the Don Bell's Aryan approach with dating. [laughter] >> It doesn't work. You got to be honest. >> Watch Watch this. >> This is some type of gas station, and the awning or some type of structure completely collapses. Shotty construction work. It's not quite infrastructure, but look who springs into action. A black man loitering outside the gas station. >> This is his big come up. >> Hustles over to get himself tucked under to pretend he was caught in the wreckage for a settlement. >> That's some thinking quick. >> I'm not mad at that guy, dude. Like that's >> That's the American dream. >> It's hilarious, too. >> That is the American dream right there. >> I I was thinking about this the other day. Falling is like a billion-dollar industry. >> Falling? >> Just falling. If you fall, there's billions of dollars get paid out every year in America for like falling. >> You just the This is the biggest life hack of all time. >> It's free. Why is no one arbitrage in gravity? >> That's my favorite thing I've heard all day. >> Do you know the comedian Russell Peters? So, he's like a very famous Indian-Canadian comedian. And his brother, Clayton is his manager. And he told me he was at the CBS lot in LA for a meeting. And it had rained, and he slipped and fell. And he said, the people at CBS were like, "Uh what do you want to do?" And he was like, "What?" And he's like, >> Like like he hit someone's child with his car. >> Yeah, they No, they were like, "We We don't know how to make this up to you." He's like, "I fell. Like I slipped and I fell." And they're like, "So, what should like we will will hire like the orthopedic surgeon, we'll you know, we'll get like we don't Do you want to like call your lawyer?" He's like, "I'm Canadian. We don't do that." So, he's like, "I fell, and I have a bruise now, and I'll be okay." >> [laughter] >> But like the the people on the lot were like, "Are you going to sue us for falling?" >> Terrified. >> Yeah, terrified. >> Well, this is the merge of this plus cameras. When you get into an Uber now, there's like cameras going out, cameras going in. Like you can bet every conversation you have is, you know, recorded. >> That's the advantage of a Waymo. The advantage of a Waymo. >> They're they're recording everything. >> recorded. >> Yeah, well. >> But it's it's Who's it going to? >> Huh? >> Who's it going to? Indian data center? >> China. >> Dude, there's a guy I got in This isn't great, but I got in a Waymo with my wife and kids, and we let the kids sit on her lap cuz we weren't like going far at all, and they called us right away. And we're like, "Yo, what's up with those kids?" And I was like, "What do you mean?" And I was They're like, "How old are they?" I was like, "Uh nine." My daughter was like, "I'm six." I was like, "Shut up." >> [laughter] >> But the guy The guy laughed. >> weren't even your kids? >> [laughter] >> The dude laughed and was just like, "Just, you know, you get in the front, put their seat belts on, you'll be good." We We were like just in our neighborhood going to like a pond. >> Have you ever touched anything in a Waymo? So, I've been in the front seat and the the windscreen >> No. >> [laughter] >> Sorry. The windscreen was dirty and I was like, "I'm going to help. I'm going to help. So, I'm going to I'm going to press the thing cuz it was on my side, you know, the windscreen wiper thing like that. Immediately the car starts flashing, says um like, "Do not touch any of the controls. We're pulling over." Pulled the car over to the side of the road and then this like school teacher comes on and says, "What are you doing? Like, why are you touching the the the windscreen stalk?" Uh I I I would the windscreen thing was was dirty and I thought it was I was I started to get panicked. I was like, "I feel like I'm in trouble. I feel like I'm being told off by a teacher in school." And they said, "Okay, um we've put a mark on your account and if this happens again, then your account will be removed from the Waymo." Interesting thing was it was my housemate's account and he was sat behind me. So, I like got him a strike on Waymo by trying to clean the But, yeah, they do not want you touching. >> Don't touch the thing. >> Yeah, I did that. >> Took one in San Francisco. It was wild cuz I got in and I was like, "This is really odd." And then it was going up through the you know, through Pacific Heights and and I forgot there was no driver. Like, you know, obviously there's no driver. You're in the backseat, but it's it's just wild. Like, it drives so well. >> Can they go on motorways yet? >> I don't know. No, I think it's all backroads. >> I don't know. Is >> Yeah, I think that's the thing. High speed. >> Yeah, whatever. The the fast big ones. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they'll they'll be on soon, but I think it's just backroads now. I did the same thing. I forgot there's not a driver. I'll get out and I'm like, "Thanks." And then Yeah, it's weird. >> What does that tell us about drivers? >> I don't know. Usually they kind of yap. I I usually get the yappy guy. >> talk to your >> I Oh, yeah, big time. I I I love it. >> You love the conversation? >> I'm the one of the only people I love chatting the with the driver. >> What do you ask him? >> Whatever. I let usually let them kind of do the thing. You know, let them start the combo or I might start if I'm like kind of bored in the back. I'll be like, >> It depends. It depends. It depends. >> And then they'll they'll just start going. They love to talk. >> Man, I got in one in an Uber and the guy was like, "Where you from?" And I go, "Austin." He goes, "I was just in Dallas." He's like, "The CIA killed JFK." And I was like, "What?" >> [laughter] >> And he's like, "I did the whole tour. I can set you up." I go, "I don't want to go on the tour." And he just starts going off. He was like, "It was a 12-man job. I'm telling you." Like, I was like, "Okay." >> [laughter] >> I have friends who are Alex Jones. >> Yeah, I mean, it was it was definitely a listener. >> This is crazy. I have otherwise completely rational friends who do not believe that the Challenger explosion was real. That's like their new thing. Yes. The The number of conspiracies that actually hook now with otherwise basically reasonable people is staggering. >> Have you ever looked at any, and I mean any post from NASA on Instagram and gone to the comments? >> No. >> Should we do this? >> Any image, they're like, you know, like they'll be like, "There's people on the space station right now. Look at this image." And everyone's like, "Fake. AI. You guys are trying to ruin the like you're tricking us. This is Who's buying this shit?" Like thousands of comments for anything they post. >> on the street is that NASA was founded by like a Satanist. >> Uh-huh. >> That's what someone said. There was like a >> This is what I'm talking about. >> Yeah, that's all I'm saying. It could be That could be true though. That could be true. >> Well, as as like you're a logical, science-based person, >> Yeah, I believe in science. >> Oh, this is nice. >> Yeah, but that's That's Mother's Day. Do uh sort by newest. >> [laughter] >> Here we go. More propaganda. >> Nice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, fighting Earth is I mean, that is that could be a flat-Earther. >> Don't put All right, hold on. It's >> Yeah, I mean, I there I could see that I could see them getting kind of crushed. Especially if this if it was the moon, they'd be getting attacked. >> Yeah, they have Earth stuff and moon stuff. That's tough. >> They have moon stuff for sure, man. >> If Jesus Christ brief us about go back up to that essay. >> It's actually pretty supportive, I'm saying. >> Brief us about the >> I don't think people were were wondering if the recent mission was fake. I think it's about it's about the classic missions. And there are some like just basic questions I wish NASA would just answer directly. >> Yeah. >> Like Rogan's always bring up some very reasonable questions like how come the phone call was so clear and like from it just explain how was it that the phone call was made from from the White House or from you know, um, Cape Canaveral like just explain them the the engineering behind it. >> Yeah. >> You know, you have to do it in detail. >> feel like it's >> Look, that is a It smells like >> Yeah, [laughter] yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. >> Dude, it's every it's every favorite >> Hollywood's actors at the top. >> That's kind of funny. >> Unbelievable. >> They it's it's for every it's everything. >> Most people have no idea where their testosterone levels sit. But what if I told you there was a solution? Something that identifies low T faster than a high school bully and it won't cost you all your lunch money. 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So, it should be pretty straightforward, right? >> I mean, here's I'm always agnostic about it cuz it's like yeah, it could totally be real 100% but if we were politically pressured to beat Russia, they could totally do a set and be like yeah, we did it. >> You know, I feel like the day that Elon claims that the moon landing was fake, I might get on board with that hypothesis >> [laughter] >> because he knows a lot about this whole rocket space thing and he's not afraid to say whatever and >> Yeah, no one's thinking >> He's not spending his Let's Let's put it this way, he's not spending his time going on it to go back there. He's got a different target and I would think that he would raise his voice, but I don't know Elon. He's not one of the the people I was referring to earlier. I've I've never met him. We've been in the same same physical space with other people at a gathering, but I've never actually spoken to him. So, >> There's definitely something that happens with conspiracies if you sit around a table especially with people that spend a good bit of time thinking about conspiracy theories which I I don't but I love listening to people talk about them. And there's kind of like this race to the bottom of the iceberg where people go, oh what you you you think that Epstein killed himself? Well, really what happened? Oh, you think that Epstein didn't kill himself? Well, actually what happened he transcended to a third a fifth dimension and and it all it's like this weird one-upmanship game of who's got the most intense deep for chan rabbit hole. >> Yeah, he didn't kill himself. He didn't kill himself. I mean, come on. >> There was a suicide note. There was a suicide note that was written like >> His roommate, have you seen what his roommate did? His roommate's like an ex-cop, right? Who's I don't think doing four life sentences. >> cellmate that was the murderer that >> Yeah, like I'm going to trust that guy? Yeah. >> The guards were >> chilling. >> There's somebody going up the stairs like also he was a narcissist. Everyone agrees on that. Like, they don't tend to kill themselves. >> Yeah. >> There's something just I mean, who knows? Maybe Maybe he was serious. I I saw that note the other day online and maybe he was like, "Okay, this is no fun. I'm out." But, like does not seem consistent with everything else. >> There's things that lend that itself to I mean, he also basically changed his will uh what, two or three days before >> Didn't know that. >> Yeah, he passed everything to his brother, which you could interpret as somebody getting ready to check out. The hyoid bone that snapped uh if you talk to certain forensic pathologists, they say it's more consistent with a homicide than a suicide. The way the force with which it was broken, right? So, that lends itself to murder, not suicide. But, yeah, just kind of depends on >> I I read talk maximum conspiracy theories. I got maybe I don't know. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Literally just I don't know. That way everyone you it's you're just a perfectly in the middle. It's I genuinely have no idea. >> Okay, you're an agnostic. >> I have no I genuinely If I If I'm Yeah, I have no idea. Like, it's I It's plausible that it was all giant government cover-up. Also, I don't know. Like, I have no idea. >> People I know that have worked >> Literally just like, >> in the government doing, you know, like spooky like on online spooky and that kind of thing will tell you that the government is pretty inefficient even at the highest levels, that it would be very hard to do clandestine things within the most effective organizations, their sub-organizations. So, if somebody wanted to run counter current to like everyone around them and be the, you know, that's tough. You could get a small collection of people, but then it's hard to to keep a secret, right? As we know, human beings. I don't know. The Epstein thing was wild. I have to say that that blew a hole in the internet for a while. It was huge. You had people from the right who were on that list and in the emails on the left. What was so interesting to me is that kind of like the video theory that I had earlier, you know, which is just a thought and a theory, really. The files were interesting even though they were incomplete because they were real-time correspondence. It wasn't like I heard someone say this and then they said that. It wasn't a deposition, right? These were the real emails at the time. >> fed it into a chatbot and had a conversation. >> Have you seen this thing? There's this like Gmail where they turned all the conversations, yeah. And then they have another one which is a plot where you can put anyone's name in and it shows the number of conversations they had with him over time. Like it's it's wild. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, and you know, he sat at the nexus of a lot of different people, organizations and it transcended, again, right, left. It transcended academia. I mean, he was connected. And what's wild is the people who were approaching him and wanting his time, many of them had tons of money, tons of public accolades or private accolades. Like they didn't Like I don't understand how it is that people just continue to seek him out. It was wild. >> Yeah. That's really interesting. The crazy that somebody was that connected to so many different facets of of people in life. >> And they overlooked the fact that he had already been convicted of >> Yeah, that was the wild one where it was just kind of like if you didn't know that, whatever, but like when people are like, "Yeah, this is public record." and you're like, >> Yeah, so like Bill Gates met up with So like not a conspiracy theory all And you can look this up. There's a guy I know cuz he was kind of peripheral to the science community. I never met him. He was actually kind of a lousy failed scientist named Al Seckel. This great big fat guy who uh say visual illusions, right? And but he his data were always kind of Anyway, he ended up marrying Ghislaine Maxwell's sister. He was in charge with a small group of other people of basically trying to bury uh Epstein sex offender status after he you know, was convicted the first time. >> that helped to get all of the headlines out so that if you searched his name, it would be on the >> whatever, sports or whatever. And so he kept putting the stuff out. >> Yeah, yeah. >> What happened to him? He was found dead at the bottom of a cliff in like 2015 or something. The French government won't comment on cause of death. Like there are a lot of dead people around this. >> There's a another conspiracy that there was interest that like I was like, "Oh, I didn't know what happened." I felt like that You know when you go like you you pick up on stories, but you don't really follow it, which was the um the attempt the Butler assassination attempt. You know, of Epstein. >> No, no. Trump. >> Oh. >> Where you're like, "Oh, this guy, you know, was a shooter." And then it just kind of >> the recent thing? >> The not the not the first one. The one where he was campaigning. you. >> Okay, so hold on. Hold on. There's the one in Pennsylvania, yeah? >> That's what I'm talking about. >> The outdoor one. >> That's what I'm talking about. The ear. That was the ear. The ear. That's what I'm talking about. >> Okay, you're talking about that one. >> Have you ever seen a photo of that guy? >> Well, the thing is they the investigation was just like shut down. Like they just go, "This is what happened." And then there's no further investigation. >> Just [laughter] relax. >> Yeah, I mean it's what? >> He's like, "I'll handle the punishment." >> Why don't we have more of of this story? Like it's just kind of a modern-day assassination attempt at with a rifle at an out of of a former president who's campaigning >> Do we even know the name of that the person who was supposed to do >> who it is. >> I remember who that is. >> That's kind of wild, right? That's crazy. >> That is crazy. >> It It fully evaporated, that >> called the memory hole. >> And then I don't know if this is true. They said that like that as he was being helped up that the flag was being lowered for the photo. >> I don't buy that. >> I mean >> I don't buy that. I >> Look it up. >> But if we were to if we were to >> [laughter] >> I'm I'm maxing. >> If we were to Google If we were to Google, what is the first and last name or put into AI? Now we don't Google, we put into AI. ChatGPT, right? If you were to put into ChatGPT, what is the first and last name of the person who um attempted to assassinate President Trump, but grazed his ear with a bullet instead. Does anything come up? Are you guys like afraid to do this? >> It definitely comes up for sure. >> His name comes up. >> Yeah, it's still baffling. >> Any history on the guy, who he is? Are we >> That's what they tried to shut down. >> that? Nobody >> We're just like that's what happened. >> Well, what >> It's going to be like Peter Brown. >> It was such a quick news cycle that every even the public forgot about it. And this is what people say about the Iran thing, that the Epstein files were getting too spicy, so we're going to invade Iran. And if you do the Google Trend data, looking at search volume for Epstein and then search volume for Iran, it did have a crossover. Matthew Crooks. >> All right, so >> Thomas Matthew >> And what do we know about Thomas Matthew Crooks? >> Yeah, sweet all. >> is he uh like where did he go to high school? What's his you know, what does he do? >> Well, can you Can you >> Was that investigation shut down? Like was the further >> Cuz there really is no >> If any of you guys disappear in the next 48 hours, I know we're completely [laughter] effed. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> Concluded. >> Okay. >> He acted alone, no evidence of co-conspirators or broader plot. Officials said they never established a clear motive. >> I think the motive >> I guess there's nothing else to talk about. >> The motive was to kill the president. Duh. Um >> So the FBI criminal case was a federal >> photo? If you just said image of of this Thomas Matthew Crooks. Cuz somebody went to school with him, somebody knows him. Someone's chat GPTing cuz she says sex. I mean, come on. >> Yeah, it's funny cuz the last assassination attempt I remember being like boring. It was just wasn't even fun. >> Weird. >> So they just kind of let it just want want like >> Yeah, it was just like Thomas Crooks. maxing. >> Yeah. >> Definitely not looks maxing. >> [laughter] >> No, I think that's That's That's not the young version of the of the looks maxing guy. >> Jesus. He was He was 20 years old. >> So young to just like Taken too soon. >> Man. >> Face caved in too soon. >> Also, how do you know where the like exactly where the president's going to be? >> That whole thing was so weird. So you have like the Secret Service snipers everywhere and a guy's just like, "I'll climb up on that roof." >> Yeah. >> at this thing and people are like, "There's a guy up You can see people going like, "There's a guy up there right now." >> It's a lot of >> Well, he didn't have as much Secret Service then, right? Cuz he was running and there was, you know, Secret Service working for a different administration. But I don't know what the rules are. >> They all blamed it on that girl Secret Service. That was the worst part. They're like, "Is that a girl?" >> [laughter] >> Wait, when I >> That's what happened. Everyone was like, "Oh, obviously." >> a next-door neighbor I I don't want to mention who it was on camera. He lived next door and so the Secret Service were parked out in front as long as um one of his close relatives was president. Um and so I would talk to those guys and gals. They're really nice people and I asked them I'm like, you know, how do you deal with your political affiliation versus who you're protecting and they're just like, "It's a job. Just like military we talk about it. Like we we just we take orders. Um they had a good post. This was a you know, in Southern California so they liked that post." And um they'd rotate in, rotate out and you know, some of them would be a little open about it. Um it was interesting Secret Service was started as an attempt uh as a like a unit within the government against counterfeiting. >> That's how it started. >> Yeah, that's how they started. >> If you counterfeit bills, Secret Service gets >> They still visit you today if you have counterfeit bills. >> Yeah, they handle counterfeiting. >> Did George Floyd get popped? Was he not using counterfeit money? >> No, at a local level it's like you got to be counterfeiting a lot. So if you're at a local level they can just turn you out. But if you have if you're like actually producing >> Like you're the guy that George Floyd bought from. >> Yeah, maybe maybe from him. >> If you're doing it on a scale that's causing like even like a, you know, a larger economic >> dents in the economy. >> They use it a lot in drug like drug sales. It's like you use counterfeit bills. It's like you can't tell the cops like somebody gave me counterfeits. So. >> Wow, originally created in 1865 to fight counterfeit currency, not to protect the president. >> I know a guy who did counterfeit bills in high school. >> Was he any good? >> They were terrible. >> Yeah. >> What does that mean? >> Well, I mean his his his versions of of like he was trying to make 20s at the house. And like crayon? >> You know what you know which one >> You can bleach you can bleach >> he got Secret Service visit though. >> Yeah, I I got to be careful with this cuz I I don't want to I don't want to reactivate any old web searches. I don't have anything to do with this but I went to high school with a couple of really smart kids who had some really smart parents who got really smart about making fake IDs and there's a big business for that in college. >> cuz a lot of kids go off to college. I was 17 when I first went off to college, right? >> And so turned 18 my first year. So you're not buying alcohol you got to get someone to buy it for you. And so they were selling fake IDs out of their dorm was in the early 90s. And they did time like real time. And these were you know, not hardened criminal kids before going in. It turns out that you know, someone got And this is wild. They had this going for a long time. It was great money for them. And someone got pulled over and accidentally handed over a fake ID. Cop ran it, you know, ran it through the system. That laddered up and eventually it was an FBI sting and this this kid and his like cohort they did real time. >> I remember that. >> So like the fake ID thing is no joke cuz it's counterfeiting. >> Yeah. >> I got pulled over at 16. And I had a fake like a good fake for the time and that moment where I was like reaching into the wallet and I know that's my fake and you and my real was here. I had to reach behind and give the and like that moment you're like >> Yeah. >> Is that super legal to give a legal super illegal to hand over a fake >> If you if it's like a whatever it is falsifying documents, yeah, you're getting a lot of trouble. >> Well, also if people go and buy alcohol and then get into a car accident, there's all this liability. This is like the the parents who like buy their kids booze. They're like, well, I don't want them >> Mhm. >> You know, I'm going to I'd rather have them drinking at home and they'll give you know, like booze to their kid and their friends And then the kid drives home and gets into an accident. Like parents have done real time. Actually, there's we're really going down the trench, but you know, there are a number of instances that are >> Have my yerba mate. It's good. >> Is that? >> Have my yerba mate. It's good. I want to keep you ripped. >> Yeah. >> Um [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, my filter just goes my GABA level drops at 5:00 p.m. anytime. People who know me like after 5:00 p.m. I'll say whatever. >> All right, good. >> Exactly. [laughter] We record podcasts early in the day, too. Um I'm on 2 hours back. I'm still California time. I'm not full Texan yet. >> Yeah. You guys have to teach me. >> You're not Texan yet? >> There's a whole thing, man. >> Really? >> Take you out to a indoctrination. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> We're going to go to >> Is it more about dropping the California stuff or you add in the Texan stuff? >> I think you got to add some Texas. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I mean, you guys are serious. >> [clears throat and laughter] >> Were you California before? >> I was LA 19 years, so. >> Okay, so you can teach him the transition. >> Oh, man. Yeah. I got a 9 mm ready to give you when we get out of here. >> [laughter] >> Oh, man. Get your conceal carry going. >> I mean, I don't mind guns, but I'm not into guns. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they kind of they do kind of scare me. I used to I like I used to just have my brother's gun for a while and I would like look at it and be like, uh. It's scary. I would be like high in my house. >> They increase the probability somebody gets [laughter] shot significantly. Yeah, exactly. >> just be stoned and I would like would just be a There was like a gun on my table and I was like, that's crazy. I like never touched it. >> It's a device for killing people or things. Exactly. >> Yeah. Scary. >> No, I I believe in the the right to bear arms, but um where were we? >> You were saying about the parents who feed the kids alcohol and get >> Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff now about parents doing stuff to, you know, give their kids access to something and then the kid doing something really stupid and parents doing real time. Yeah. You know, and it's um it it's a whole different landscape now in terms of like when I was growing up like every kid in high school like you'd end up like drinking on a weekend or something a little bit here or there. And back then it was the Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It was all the drunk driving thing. Now that I get apparently there there's a lot less death due to drone driving because of Uber. >> Yeah. >> All right. Kids don't drink as much either. >> Hm. Yeah, that's good. >> Yeah, it's great. >> a big fan of alcohol. >> Well, yeah, but it's also crazy if you're like you got to think about it. If you if you like I like drank in high school, college, but if someone had a camera on me at 18 when I was drunk, that's that's like you can just ruin your whole life for what you say. >> Anything Yeah, what you say what you anything. >> Yeah. So, it's like if you're a kid now, you're like that I might I got to kind of keep it a little tight. >> But then like the THC stuff is way up, right? That's what I read that the consumption of edibles or like the especially the beverages that have them are also way up. >> can do it. And like my whole thing is like people think I'm like anti-cannabis or anti-alcohol. Like you can have a couple drinks a week and be fine if you do a bunch of other things correctly. We're talking about adults, right? With kids and with adults, the cannabis thing is tricky because some people can do it and they're they're all right. Other people who have a predisposition to psychosis, like they can end up with some permanent psychosis. People who are predisposed to bipolar. I mean, it's it's a real thing. And it got very political for a while. Like I got attacked for saying this when being pro-cannabis was associated with one political party. Then when the pendulum Yeah, it's it's interesting that the Trump administration was I am totally apolitical. Like I I'm I'll just come out and like I'm a double hater. I don't I don't like anything I see. >> so lots of gray area. >> I grew up a punk rocker. Like them all. Like honestly, like I see >> version of you with conspiracy theories. >> Yeah. Double haters. >> I don't know about either. >> hater. >> Like I don't know. >> I'm a double hater because I see certain things I like in certain people [clears throat] and what they're doing and then I see something and I go, you got to be kidding me. And I see that on both sides. So, it's very hard for me to reconcile that, right? And it's not like music. I can't just be like, all right, well, Kanye, you know, amazing musician, you know, you know, but these other things are a little bit like I don't know, you know, maybe look into that. But there's the you know, but there the cannabis thing has gone from it was a very left associated thing to now the Trump administration has been making some serious efforts to you know legalize psychedelics like ibogaine which is not a recreational psychedelic. Um you know a lot of liberty around substances and then then the left will will sort of the news will the left-leaning news will kind of print against cannabis then they'll go back and forth which just tells me one thing right because the right side does this too which is that they have no heart they have no stance. >> Right. >> Right it's all just algorithmic ping pong. >> Blow with the wind. >> Yeah so the reality is some people should use cannabis if they want to no problem but I hear from lots of in particular moms of guys who are in their 20s who including some people who are doing very well in life and now their kids are like in full-blown psychotic episodes that won't reverse. >> Jesus. >> And it's very hard to know who it's going to be right but certainly there are people who can use cannabis no problem. >> Well even if it's not it's caused some long-term psychosis problem for me. It's not exactly a performance enhancer. Right like this happened I think in was it the 1700s or the 1600s when coffee houses first started in in Britain yeah and because people used to go and drink ale all day and they were just drunk. And wasted you're not going to get anything done when you're wasted and then coffee comes along and people are like what's all of this productivity I've got in front of me and it's kind of the same. You go well cannabis no one's died from overdosing on THC apart from I know you get into a car accident >> Yeah there's no road rage from Well maybe there's road rage from caffeine but no one's coming home and like beating up their spouse because they drank too much coffee. >> I could be the first. >> [laughter] >> Dude I got to show you this video. >> I seem pretty mellow. >> mean no if I have enough if I have enough my wife's back she's she's not safe. >> of when >> Like you're definitely drinking coffee cuz I'm >> Drink driving ban drink drink driving got introduced in the US. >> Just no drinks at all? >> Yeah so watch this. >> That's bro get out of here. >> Watch this. >> Oh oh yeah Can >> and drive here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic. >> It's kind of getting common is when a fellow can put in a hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day, and then getting your truck and at least having one or two beers. >> They're making it laws where you can't drink when you want to. >> Baby, baby in the baby in the passenger seat. >> [laughter] >> when you're driving and pretty soon we're going to become this country. >> yeah. Unreal. Just hold on to the best. >> I will say if you had worked outside all day for 11 hours, you can drink one beer on your way home. That's [laughter] fair. One ice cold beer anywhere. >> Dude, you could get that past here now. >> One ice cold beer, one one road dog. >> But you know, excuse me, sir, that looks like an ambient beer. You're not allowed to [laughter] >> In the in the '80s, we would be in a in a station wagon in the very back, no seat belt, just all my siblings and yeah, like five of us. And then like a semi would come up to here. And like our parents were never like, this is dangerous. That was just like normal. Seat belt Seat belts didn't >> When we were little little, they would go, "Everybody have their seat belts on?" And we'd all go, "Haha." We'd laugh cuz we're like, I'm not wearing a seat belt. >> Of course. >> Everyone, my whole family held it down like wearing a seat belt was like weak. It's like you What are you scared? What are you scared why you're wearing a seat belt? >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> What do you What do you I now I wear them. >> How old are you? >> Uh 40. >> 38. >> I'm 50, you're 47. I know. >> Full of You're 47? >> You think I was 55? >> [laughter] >> Yeah, it's 47, man. >> You know, I thought you were my >> Again? I'm the senior in the house. Um >> [laughter] >> He laughs. That's >> I don't know why, man. Uh you look great. >> You's [laughter] a dick. >> When I shave, I look 46. Dude. >> I'm just getting you back cuz that one family gathering you just sold me out. >> What happened? >> No, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, >> No. >> Yes. >> No. >> Tom. [laughter] >> Nope. >> Yes. >> Nope. >> No. >> I'll walk out of here. I'm like legit I'll walk out of here. [laughter] >> All right. >> I'll walk out of here. I've been pretty open today. I like to think I've been pretty loose, little open. I'm only on my first mate. This is actually my seventh mate today. >> Seven? 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He was like Dude, he's >> [laughter] crazy. >> Yeah, I have to say, you know, there are number of people on the internet that I don't know and I don't know if how they present is actually who they are. Like, how Jocko shows up online is exactly who he is. >> No, that's not true. That's we spent what, 4 days 4 days with him in the 3 days with him December and on the way back, the final plane ride that we had home, there was a little bit of a little bit more looseness. It was like >> Well, yeah, I mean, he can relax, but he's just an aggro dude. >> True. >> Yeah, he's got a lot of energy. >> That's true. >> So, my question is this whole thing about obsession with the '90s, like these posts of like, "Oh, this is what it was like then and no one's got phones." And I have to say, even though, you know, I was born in '75 and love the '90s, grateful that I was a teen in the '90s, I have to say the whole thing irritates me a lot. >> The '90s are awesome. >> want to be a part of that generation of people that's talking about how great it was before. And these poor kids like who are like 15 and 16. Your kids are younger than that, right? I don't know how young your kids are. You don't even know who your kids are. >> I'm speaking >> Speak for yourself. [laughter] >> They're still on Love Island. >> Right. >> Turned your life into Love Island. >> Listen, they contacted me. >> [laughter] >> No, no, I'm kidding. So, the these kids now they have to hear about like, "Oh, how great it was then." It's got to be annoying as >> It's got to be annoying as We should just cut it out. >> the truth, right? >> Yeah, like we're going to revert to that. >> right? So, speaking as a Brit who's moved moved 4 years ago, right, to America. When I think about golden era America, and it I you know when I think about this most? When I'm driving down the highway and I see some huge industrial estate, some massive factory that probably makes like pipes or something and there is a American flag and a Texan flag that would cover a small house, right? Flat just just for the sake of it. And I'm like, "Fuck yeah." Like that's sick, dude. And then that immediately makes me think about Limp Bizkit and WWF and like the Stone Cold Stunner and like Transformers move. I'm aware that it would bleeding into the thousand, but like 90s like cool like >> Technically you're a millennial, right? Is that right? >> Technically, yeah. >> Okay. I mean you can just say you can it can be that like hey, the 90s was an awesome decade and still just not be the person who's like you don't get it. You guys are doing everything wrong. >> Also, there were things that genuinely sucked. That genuinely sucked. Like you didn't have access to things. Like all the health stuff now. Like you had to work so hard to find like creatine. It was like you know, you could find cocaine more easily than you could find like >> You used to cut cocaine with creatine, right? >> Used to they would cut cocaine with creatine. >> Really? >> It's a cut, yeah. >> No. >> Swear to god. >> Really? >> Yeah, yeah. >> Oh, that's if you're buying cocaine. Well, I never did >> it, yeah. >> Yeah, got it, got it. But if I bought creatine, it wasn't cut with cocaine, was >> No, no, no. >> Wow, that would be a deal. >> [laughter] >> That's a deal. >> That's one word, exactly. These gains, bro. >> know what I'm saying? >> You wanted information, you had to like wire somebody money and then do a phone call and then do all it was it was tough. Like it was like things took more work and it took you know, and things people don't realize it's like okay, maybe housing costs were lower, but things were also very stratified back then. You know, it was like lifestyles of the rich and famous. There was there was a big gap then, too. There was just a lot of cool stuff happening at the kind of lower end where you felt like things were really creative. The whole indie indie music, indie movies, etc. You could do cool for not a lot of money and people were building and consuming cool stuff for not a lot of money. >> Yeah. >> But I don't get believe that it was you know, like it was it was great for what it was, but like now's now. Like I I I feel bad for these teens who are like oh my god, what am I supposed to do? Like ditch my phone 24 They're not going to >> that goes like the it like enter like cuz entertainment, what comes out decade to decade, like the 70s was great music and film. The 80s was trash movies. Like most like movies compared >> Ghostbusters? >> Well, you can you can find good Well, like if you compare decade to decade, '90s much better decade for for entertainment. So, some of that is like, you know, you can find the thing that you are like, I miss that, right? I miss like the what was being put out music and and entertainment thing for the '90s was like pretty incredible. >> Like yeah, that's awesome. >> Yeah, it's a great decade. >> right? Which Quality of Life isn't in the same way. And then you But I mean, you can associate you can be like the '90s and what you're really thinking is like, I loved like the music I was listening to, the vibe of the the decade, but it doesn't mean that like everything was amazing. You think that in 20 years time people will look back at 2026 and go, "Dude, golden era." Yeah, somebody will. No, somebody will. Really? Absolutely. Absolutely. Because it's happened in every generation before. I mean, we'll be, you know, hopefully not senile, but we'll be hopefully you'll be very old or dead, yeah. I mean, we'll be dead. I don't I I do miss though like Yeah, you'll be a little less of a golden era like I know. I'll be in my 70s, you'll be 80. I will. You know, you're walking around with fake IDs 47. Yeah, I'm 47. Like I I do miss like I remember before smartphones when like if I had like nothing to do, my brain would just go into like I would just daydream and now I'm like if I stop doing anything I'm like pop it right away. I'm like there's a thing I need to look at. That kind of bothers me a little bit, but easy to numb out and get pulled into drama I think of it like I literally have to have this visual. I actually drew this picture for myself cuz that's how I like consolidate things I want to do and not do. It's like I think I get up in the morning and there's like this narrow path and on either side it's just like oh down to no productivity, nothing useful in life. And one side is drama, other people's drama. And the other side is just numbing out. Yeah. And you >> You to stay on the path. >> You got to walk this really narrow path. And then it's interesting cuz the algorithms are very, very good. And so you go, all right, well, I've been good to have this like get on for a second. And it'll be like fight video on X that's just insane. And then you're like, I don't want to see this. You don't go and it'll be like cute video. And then it'll find your button. So it'll just find it. It'll find it. Yeah. It's like a borderline girlfriend, man. She'll figure it out. And you're so next thing you know, it's like 3 hours later and you're like, what happened? >> It's a cycle. You get on the cycle. Do you notice, by the way, cuz I think it's especially for like going to hotels, right? We stay in hundreds of hotels that it happened it started like a few years ago where I realized one day I was like, oh, I've been in, you know, 200 hotels this year and I never turned on the TV once. >> Never. >> And it used to be, right? You'd get in the hotel and boom, like you'd see what's on. Also, I was like, man, like a year went by and I'm like, I've been in so many and I've never cuz you would I just pick up your phone. >> Yeah. >> And you're just it it's just like an ornament now. Like it's just sits there. >> If I do a hotel if I stay in hotels for a weekend and don't look at porn, I I feel like I'm a saint. I leave I'm like, They should literally just like >> Do you mean the ones that you pay for? Like they're they're like >> No, I'm I'm just on the your phone, I'm saying. Cuz it's like you have you're just isolated in this bunker. You get off stage, you're like, I'm wired. >> Yeah. >> like, I need to go to bed. I know exactly how I can fall asleep right now. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And you go like, no, I'm not going to I'll do it like 4% of the time. And I'm just like, man, they should they're going to canonize me after >> [laughter] >> It's impossible. >> It sounds like you're open about this with your wife. Otherwise, she just >> Yeah, she she she I've talked to her about it. And now I'm off it. I'm off I'm off the porn. But I always I asked for her help. >> that? How was the transition off the porn? >> Dude, it's way better. Cuz you know, now I'm 40 I swear to God once once you're 40, it's like 20s you can you can have like infinite boners. You can be watching porn and you know, but now like I need to be ready. If I'm fapped out >> Yeah. >> and the wife and I get the big call from I'm like, "No." So, now I'm just always I stay ready at all times. I'm like, "Just let me know. >> Five big stars on Yelp. >> No, I'm just >> [laughter] >> I'm just joking. >> That's it, dude. >> I'm just kidding. I'm just >> No, I'm like I'm going to try that as well. >> But, is that one of the Is that one of the life hacks that comedians know that the health experts haven't cottoned on to that if you've just done a high stimulation activity that just a fap before bed is >> That's That's That's universal now. It's got to be universal knowledge. >> That one >> that on the Kevin Pollak podcast. >> Fap before sleep? It's called a fap nap. >> Never heard of a fap nap? >> [laughter] >> I've never heard >> We've been doing this for generations. >> My daddy was a fap napper and his daddy before [laughter] him. >> Well, the thing is like every every comic, probably every performer, like music or otherwise, but certainly for comedian like the adrenaline spike you getting off stage, like usually like somebody different people get into something. Like there's the guys that go just drink their face off or do drugs or like eating or go out all night or jerk off like somebody like you have this this rush after and it's like the night's over. Like you just like go back. >> No girlfriends or wives on tour I mean girlfriend or wife on tour? >> No, I mean >> You are really flighty and slipping your way through this podcast. [laughter] >> I mean I have one girlfriend. She's awesome like I said, you know. >> I'm I'm addressing Yeah, I'm addressing the audience. >> Can you >> But, I'm not a live I'm also not a live show guy. When I finish a podcast like a solo episode of my podcast, I want to collapse, man. >> Can you explain what's happening neurologically, biochemically when the being on stage, high stimulus, a lot of focus, a lot of adrenaline, positive feedback, and then like what what is that? What's going on? >> I mean, in a word, arousal, right? I mean, the catecholamines is dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine. The catecholamines is this little kit of of chemicals that are made in our brain and body, right? Different ones, different places, etc. We don't have to get into that, but that cocktail is what's released under, you know, high arousal situations. Some are scary situations, some are exciting, but when you're a performer and you're getting that feedback, then yeah, you got a lot of dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine, so you're alert, you're focused. So, broadly speaking, right? The science crowd is going to get pissed at me for this, but broadly speaking, the dopamine thing is going to want you having like more of whatever you're experiencing, right? Higher higher threshold, higher threshold, okay? Epinephrine, which is adrenaline, makes your body alert, and norepinephrine in released in the brain and, you know, and and this is again generalizations, increases focus for the thing that you're, you know, that you're pursuing, right? So, you get off stage and those things are cranked to level 11, and you I mean, you could do some long exhale breathing, you could do a sauna, but obviously you're out on tour, you you want to bring it down a notch, and then you got to get on the bus or the plane the next day and go. And so, yeah, and you know, >> It can be hard to sleep, man. >> Look, evolution, you know, hardwired circuits so that the desire to, you know, ride this roller coaster up to this peak and then crash down again, you know, and and make sex, you know, ideally with somebody else, you know, but if apparently in case you're alone, you know, you're trying to find a way to do that all the time. You are right, so you know, that's it's that brings you into a so-called lower lower arousal parasympathetic state, right? And as dopamine goes up, testosterone goes up in women and men, okay? And then after orgasm, dopamine goes down and a and a hormone, which is basically a hormone, prolactin goes up, and that sets the refractory period, during which time you need a higher stimulus thing to get you aroused again. >> Coolidge effect. >> Yeah, the Coolidge effect, like in roosters, this whole thing, if you trade out the hens, then they can continue to copulate over and over again. This to some extent is is true in humans, but um, you know, they're they're also I sort of joked about the tadalafil and that was it was indeed a joke. But, there there's some interesting things like if you want to play this game, you can. Although, I'm not sure I want to encourage your porn habit. >> No, no, no. >> I'm not a porn guy, but when you were saying like like the refractory period the refractory period can be shortened. >> Yeah. >> Right? By um blunting the prolactin response. That can be done with taking something like P5P, which is a it's related to vitamin B6 and it blunts prolactin somewhat. Um you know, there are drugs which I don't recommend people take, but these prescription drugs like cabergoline and things like that, which um in inhibit prolactin. And, you know, there >> would allow you to >> like like in in the um like in the gay community like there's a big use of some of these drugs to have sort of kind of marathon sex type thing. They'll use stimulants like meth. Right? I I have a friend who's a former meth addict. He happens to be gay and I was like, "Well, I don't understand I've never done meth, but I'm like, what's the deal with meth?" And he's like, "Oh, the idea is, you know, marathon sex, right?" And then when people get sober from meth, hopefully, um they lose their sex drive for a long, long time. These systems need to be recalibrated. We're talking about extremes with drugs, right? One One reason why I'm not one of these like all porn is bad, but one reason why I I personally am just not a fan of porn is I think it can you can dial in pretty much a higher and higher threshold thing without you really having to do the work of going out and finding a relationship. And I think a lot of younger guys who aren't married, who don't have a relationship, they don't know how to use it um kind of judiciously. >> Yeah. You got to tie it right in. >> And there's no and and it never says no to them either. So, lot of issues with porn in the younger younger crowd. So. >> that's like for as comedians I feel like your your 20s into your 30s is probably the the time of the most consumption. And it is like you're alone of porn. >> of porn. Like you're alone. >> You're a loser. >> You're you're a loser. [laughter] You're you're also in a strange place. Like you're You know what I mean? You have this like this isn't my environment. Right? And you And then you throw in the the performing and getting bumped up from that and just being like looking for no one wanting to you. >> No. >> Yeah. >> No, we're comedians. >> Although, call the boys and do the crystal meth. >> Don't give me that [laughter] horse Are you kidding me? >> I didn't hear what he said. >> I was I was I was picking up what Andrew's putting down. You call the boys and fire up the meth pipe, man. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Let's go. [laughter] >> So, you're saying if you take the stuff that suppresses prolactin that you can >> The refractory period The refractory period is shortened. >> I want the refractory. >> You want the Yeah, so you're >> You're looking for some peace and you're trying to optimize the refractory. >> [laughter] >> You're looking for some peace and ease, you know? >> I want to pass out. I want to >> Yeah, so I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think we're um this seems like an age-old method, I'm guessing, you know, of of calming down. >> Hey, listen, better than better better that better that than taking like a barbiturate, right? >> You know, we talked about the '80s, right? In '70s and '80s, if you look back, I just I just completed this freaking book, finally. Finally. >> Thank you. It's like 700 pages. I apologize in advance. But it's like a encyclopedia to be able to look up like if you want more focus, what stimulants could you consider? What are you willing to take? >> So, you took So, you took the rails off with this. It's like not just stuff that's white market available. >> like have lawyers read it for whatever concerns you have. I'm like put the disclaimers you need, but like I didn't cover peptides and hormones because that's stuff I'm still exploring, but everything I know to be true, I put in there. I just like I left it all on the map. >> That's pretty cool. >> That's cool. >> I just put it all in there. And even the introduction, like I get brutally honest. And I you know, I don't I'm not bad names with like there's some people that I wanted to credit and things like that that I've been kind of quiet about and I just it's all there. >> Wait, can I ask you that cuz we're talking about like as guys that like we go on the road, we perform, and we're like you know, getting to sleep is a thing. >> Yeah. >> What's the most like like best way is there something to consume? Maybe melatonin? >> do? >> To do or maybe both. I mean look, if you >> Behaviors first. Like just to say that. I'm not saying this to like protect myself. Like I've been around long enough, attacked enough for every little thing that like, you know, I don't tap dance anymore. I would say, okay, you get back to your room. It would be give yourself a hot shower. >> Dude, that works. Hot shower. >> shower, right? Paradoxically is going to lower your core body temperature. You need your body temperature to start dropping to get to sleep. Okay, which is we can talk about why that happens, but you heat up the outside of your body, then there's this compensatory drop. It's like you have a thermostat in your brain. It goes, oh, outside of my body is heating up. So then core body temperature starts to drop when you get out towel off. Then I would it seems silly, but when you deliberately exhale, you slow your heart rate down. You want your heart rate pretty low before bed. But you don't have to have it like really low. It's just in the morning you want your heart rate and your cortisol spiking and get into the day, caffeine, exercise, and all that stuff. Look at your phone if you need to. Get your sunlight. Do all that stuff. But in the last hour of your day, whenever that happens to fall, some long deliberate exhales. Normally we don't we Normally we passively exhale, but when you deliberately exhale, you slow your heart rate down. It activates a descending branch of your vagus nerve, which goes to your heart. It activates something called respiratory sinus arrhythmia, which sounds bad, arrhythmia, but it's actually good. It's like the break on your heart rate. It's the basis of heart rate variability. So just some like just bringing that down. If you wanted to take something, you know, nowadays there's so many different sleep supplements, but you know, something with magnesium, saffron, some apigenin, which is chamomile extract, and that would be the supplement version. You know, okay, so like it sounds like a plug, but like the AGZ supplement kind of combines all those things. That's what I'll I'll drink like half a packet of that. There are and I get in trouble for this nowadays, but I'm kind of having fun these days cuz like I don't really care anymore. So now you just get the real me. I mean, it was always the real me minus the stuff I was like afraid to say. But there's a peptide called pinealon, which is spectacularly good at increasing REM sleep. Okay, I would not take it every night. You got to make sure you're getting real pineal gland. You I recommend you work with an MD who gets it from a compounding pharmacy, not buying it off the you know they say Chinese peptides, but they're from all over the world. So they're unfair to the Chinese by the way. You know. >> They make it sound like >> They make other They make other stuff too. >> They make other stuff too. And And for all we know there's some great Chinese peptides, but [laughter] I recommend getting your peptides from a reliable source. But pineal gland taken like three nights a week you'll notice that your REM sleep is spectacularly good. Okay. If you aren't getting enough deep sleep which is at the beginning of the night, it is wise to not have eaten for about two hours before you go to sleep. >> get like 20 minutes of deep >> This is >> This is interesting. So there's always a trade-off. So if you take something to increase the amount of slow wave deep sleep that you get. Let's say and I'm not recommending this cuz these growth hormone secretagogues so increase growth hormone, but things like tesamorelin um sermorelin, you'll get a bigger growth hormone surge and you'll get more deep sleep, but you'll get less REM. >> Yeah. >> Cannabis smokers get almost no REM. Like almost no REM and then when they come off cannabis their dreams are wild. So that's a well-known kind of rebound effect. So the pineal gland would be a more advanced trick. Okay. And on and on and on, but you know and then some people like I'm not a Xanax guy, right? But at some level, you know, if you are doing all the right behaviors, you're not drinking caffeine too close to sleep, you're doing a shower, the long exhale breathing, maybe the the supplements either stack together you're taking them independently, figure out what what you want and what works for you, or you decide to do pineal gland every once in a while, you know, I think you're doing pretty much everything you can do. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And at that point, you know, hopefully Eight Sleep will make a portable version cuz you know it's a great thing to cool your bed and all that. Really does help. Problem is it's there isn't really a good portable version of it. So I keep hoping they'll do that. And keep it dark. You know, eye mask, ear plugs, >> I sleep with the eye mask every night. >> Yeah, and then you're you're pretty much there, you know. >> What do you think about trazodone? >> Trazodone um supposedly keeps the architecture of sleep right, but I mean these serotonin agonists I mean the problem with tweaking serotonin is you can end up with other effects, right? I mean it's an anti- I think it was originally designed as antidepressant, right? >> High doses, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, so um I mean not my go-to. There's a prescription drug called Quviviq which is in a class of drug called the doras, which works on the hypocretin orexin system. >> Yeah, it's very expensive, but that seems to improve uh REM sleep. >> Quviviq? >> Quviviq. Very expensive, like $30 a pill or $40 a pill. >> I took a Belsomra last year and it felt like someone had hit me in the back of the head. >> know what that is. I So I want to be careful I don't want to >> It's in the It's in the same category. >> doras, yeah. me, dude. It was like someone had come in and just hit me with a hammer. >> I stopped taking melatonin cuz you said it shrinks your balls. >> I mean melatonin >> That scared me off. >> Yeah, years ago I used to work on these >> a little side >> Siberian dwarf hamsters and and they're seasonal breeders and if they if you give them melatonin like their their balls shrink to the size of a grain of rice. >> Damn dude. >> God damn it. >> A tiny tiny bit of fast-acting melatonin every once in a while. Like when I say tiny amount I mean like 300 um micrograms. Normally people are taking like 1 to 10 milligrams. And here's the thing, I say this and then some people who are alleged sleep scientists say they are sleep scientists. But um they're they are like, "Oh no, 10 milligrams is the dose that was used in these studies." Like I've run a lot of studies when you're going for an effect, you oftentimes will be like control group 5 milligrams, 10 milligrams, right? Cuz some graduate student's life is on the line. There's very few dose-response curves of these things done under the same condition. So tiny tiny tiny amount of melatonin if you're going if you're going to do that. >> Got you. >> Um so it's not and that's not a problem for occasional use. But a lot of people are giving too much of it to their kids. >> Yeah, I've seen that. >> when kids are in the Melatonin helps keep puberty at bay. And then that there's a switch in the patterns of melatonin secretion that it's not the only thing, but it correlates with puberty. So, by the way, your kids probably are going to start having hormones, in which case you're effed, cuz your kids are already like in your face. >> Yeah. They're wild. How so? >> I mean, they're just They're They're amazing kids. They're But they have just, you know, my oldest is like very competitive. >> He's 10. But I mean, [clears throat] he's >> He's like, "I'm 10." >> No, get over it. >> No, for real. He's a fourth now. >> Fourth grader. >> He's um you know, he does cross country, does jujitsu. He was in the state finals for for cross country. But he You see this thing like with um with when you You realize with kids, you're like, "Oh, this is just like who you are." Do you know what I mean? Like >> Yeah. >> You So, like this kid, he like he always is like wants to compete at everything. At everything. It doesn't matter if it's like we're reading something. I'm going to read this faster than you. It's he just wants to compete. >> So, Michael Jordan did. >> He's also super emotional. >> dad? >> Yeah. Yeah, I know. It doesn't happen to me. >> Yeah. Jesus Christ. [laughter] >> What? >> But the the little guy the little guy is like has a comedian's personality. 100%. He's a complainer. Like comedians complain. Things aggravate. You hang around comics, there's they're not indifferent to things. They have a They have So, he's always just like What's this table doing here, man? >> [laughter] >> And you're like, "What?" He's like, "It takes up the whole room. I keep running into it. Like get some smaller you know?" And like [laughter] I'm like >> He says that? >> Yeah, and he curses like that. I'm like, "Yo, like you can't be talking like He's like, "You say all the time." And I'm like >> [laughter] >> Okay. Like he's fired up. And then they're boys. And then so they just like they love to break you know? Like everything nice that I just have, I just go, "I'm just going to take this somewhere else. Take this to the office. Cuz they just break things, you know? And they're just They're just fired up to to do that. And so, yeah, no, we're still right before puberty. You know that like the 10-year-old is close. Like he's getting on the line. They did The funny thing is I like, you know, obviously like you tease your kids. So like when I have people over for dinner cuz I know it bothers them, I'll be like, "Do you have a girlfriend?" And cuz they both They That's the right that thing where they're like they don't like girls. >> Yeah. >> So like the 10-year-old go, "What kind of question is that?" He goes, I go, "What?" He goes, "What kind of question? I'm 10. >> [laughter] >> I'm not going to date a girl for years. It's a crazy question, man." And I'm like, "Okay." And then I'll turn to the 7-year-old. I go, "Do you have a girlfriend?" He'll go, "Fuck you." >> [laughter] >> And I'm like, "Yo." He goes, "Fuck you, man. Okay? I don't have a girlfriend." I'm like, "Okay. What does your wife think about all this?" I mean, she laughs. I don't think she doesn't try to provoke them as much as I do cuz I think it's I think it's more of a thing. >> It's more like who wears the pants in the thing. >> Oh, 100%. I mean, the 10-year-old is her twin and the 7-year-old is like my duplicate. I mean, he's just exactly the same. We react to this like we'll be watching something and like, you know, like a van will like hit a guy on the side of the road and you know, like in a movie or something and the 7-year-old be like and then she'll be like, >> [laughter] >> "He's you, you know? He's you." And I'm like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Jesus Christ. That's what I was laughing at." Yeah, it's it's crazy. They're exactly like him. >> find it easier to discipline the one that's more like you? Like easy to understand or is it throwing your sort of patterns back at yourself? Do you get more triggered by the one that's more like you? >> Oh, 100%. And also like cuz if I if I start getting loud, he'll just he'll just He was like We were throwing the ball and he threw the ball poorly, you know? Like to me. I go, "Dude, throw it to me." He goes, "You got knees. Bend down, pick it up, okay?" >> [laughter] >> And I'm like, "Jesus Christ." And then And I'm like he I'm like, "Yeah, I I can, you know, like" But the the 10-year-old and he's been like this since he was like five, which is so spooky to me, that like if I if he does something, like, you know, he knocked paint over and I go, "Come the on, man. Like, what the What are you doing?" He'll be like, "I'm a kid and you can just speak to me." And I'm like, >> Becoming self-aware. >> And then you're like, "I'm a piece of shit." Like like immediately you're like, "I cannot believe" cuz he's right. >> He's out-foxed you. >> Yeah, oh, 100%. >> have phone uh you know, smartphones? >> No. >> No, they don't have phones. >> They don't have phones. Yeah. And I we're not planning on doing that anytime soon. Yeah. Yeah. No. >> Personality differences are crazy. >> It's crazy. >> one kid and you're like, uh three and six. >> all kids." >> Three and six. >> six. >> Yeah, and you're like, all right, that's this is what our kids will be like. You have another one, you're like, >> What the What happened to you? >> What is this? And and it's just completely It's funny, mine are the opposite. My oldest is like me. They both they share characteristics, but my oldest is like pretty introverted and like low-key, and the other one's just like her mom, where she'll like we we had a little like It was like they called it a daddy-daughter dinner. We go out, they played music, and I'm like, all right, you know, I got to like this is my moment. I dance with my kids. And my youngest was like, "Bro, I'm dancing with my friends. Get away from me." And she just all night, she's 3 years old, dancing with her friends. They just just like life of the party. My oldest was kind of like, "Ah, I'm going to chill out. This is a little much for me." It was just It was really funny. But yeah, they're polar opposite. >> Totally. It's so weird. >> Do you watch your swearing around them like Tom watches his tongue? >> They'll they'll get on me for it. They'll go like, "That's a bad word, Dad." >> Mhm. >> And then now the youngest one will throw them back at me a little bit. >> let them hang out with Tom's kids. >> Yeah, that sounds like it. Sounds like they'll pick up some choice language. >> hate. If they if we say hate, they're like, "That's a bad word." And I'm like, "Where did you get this from?" She's like, I think it was from like their early school. >> My youngest curses more than like the older one >> Yeah. >> will curse less. >> Same. That's how my young >> The younger one will curse more. >> The youngest my my wife told you the two kids like get your asses upstairs and the youngest was like adults get your asses upstairs. She's three. We're like I was kind of impressed. I was like that's actually pretty good. >> Sometimes there's a big difference between swearing and swearing at someone. >> Yeah, there are yeah, for sure. >> You're buying a man something you're allowed to say >> Dude, my my >> Fundamentally different. >> My I dropped a thing and one of my kids was like I like dropped it and was like she was like you can say dad. I was like thanks man. That's that's >> It really does feel like your kids are parenting you more than you're parenting them. >> I think kids are smarter now. I swear to god I think kids are way smarter now. >> Look back and you're like I was maxing from birth. >> I was 100%. I didn't talk to people at all. And my kids are like hi, how are you? How's your my they'll like congratulate people when they have a baby. My three year old will be congratulations. >> Just a random >> We never told her to do that. She'll go up and [clears throat] be like congratulations and they're like thanks. >> That's good. >> But she doesn't say I'm sorry. >> [laughter] >> It's wild dude. >> Oh man. >> The fact that they become self-aware and they know I'm a kid. It's like oh no no no no no. No, you're not supposed to be able to watch the rules of the game. You're supposed to be in the matrix. >> Yeah, exactly. You're not supposed to be observing the matrix. >> Hyper aware. >> Yeah, I I try to really catch myself on that like this is what I was supposed to if I'm going back and forth like do this right now and they're like no I'll I'll want to be like just do what I say and then they'll come up with a reason. I'll be like dad that's actually a fair point. You're good. Go ahead. >> That's just >> It's crazy like the emotional intelligence thing also is always like so like that the 10 year old we were in a setting where someone was like who do you love the most and he was like my mom and I was like yeah. And then later on he came back he goes hey I just wanted you to know that when I said I love mom the most he goes I love you just as much. I just spend more time with her so I feel like that's and I was like >> [laughter] >> I was like no it's okay man. Like he was like I just wanted you to feel like I didn't love you as much and I was like it's cool. You're 10? >> Stop. me. That's rad. >> But I'm an only child, so I was essentially autistic. I had like autism until age like 20 when I went to university. I'd been in university for 2 years. I was like, "Okay, I've like integrated with society in this way." I don't know any only children that are normally adapted. No. You just don't have the same amount of social exposure. >> But you guys can uh I don't you know what I was going to say. You guys can play with yourselves. Um you know, but [laughter] you know, the uh no, but you you know, but um it's true like they that kids who grow up alone know how to like integrate with adults in the family and then they go to their room and they do their thing. I suppose nowadays they have iPads and things like that. >> in solitude and stuff, but yeah, I do I I I remember when I went to uni, I was 18, and I didn't know that you were supposed to knock on someone's bedroom door before you went in. Because I'd never had to knock on anyone's bedroom door. Like mom and dad always went to bed after me or whatever and it was like I was never going to like there was just no reason to do it. And no brothers or sisters. So, I was like I had to learn >> Just not to >> At Yeah, they don't burst into your housemate's in the uni halls of residence. >> That makes sense though. You just didn't have >> You It's never been part But meanwhile, your 10-year-old's like giving you counseling advice. He's bringing your emotions back into land after maybe making you feel uncomfortable. >> I know. It's so it's it's so unex- And you're like, "Who taught you this?" You know? Like he wasn't taught. He just A kid's getting smarter, is that a thing? I don't know. I mean, I know that the language learning data show that, you know, kids can literally say words they've never heard before that are accurate to the meaning of the word. They'll construct sentences in novel ways they haven't heard. You know, I mean, there's some fundamental units of language in the brain that, you know, different lang- different, you know, place all over the world, you know, can hijack the same machinery to construct language. So, there's a template for it, right? And so, maybe [clears throat] if they're getting more ex- I'm this is a a guess here. It's conjecture pure conjecture that they're you know able to access lots of more movies and television shows and your kids aren't online but you know they're hearing many more different dialects and and things from different people that they're able to come up with novel combinations that we weren't able to access that makes sense. She had like the car like the door like the unlock thing the key whatever and I can't even talk but she was like I was like here I'll show you how to do it she go three year old she was like I'm an expert. I was like where the did you hear expert from? It's bizarre. And she actually did know how to unlock it properly and I was like all right man I'm done. You can just have my money when I die. But this is good [laughter] right because this is the generation that's going to take care of everybody. I think so man. She said I'm an expert. She'll be four in a couple weeks but she was like I'm an expert and I was like that's right. Where did you hear that from? It's I swear they're smarter. Yeah. I I really think so. The language thing is spooky like they start constructing sentences with vocabulary and and correctly you know like you hear it all the time and you go like did you hear that? I don't know in a show or something like that. Where did >> [laughter] >> you get that? I mean I don't know if these data ever held up. You might have covered this on your podcast in terms of like sibling order and only children and etc. But it wasn't it the case that um only children in terms of just successful life outcomes you know by that sort of like standard metrics that they tend to do better on average. I think so but that I don't know whether it's on average but you certainly going to get more outliers. It's just weirder inputs. Right you're going to get more variability. And and what happens and for some of those it's going to end up with extreme success and for others it's just going to end up with like trying to shoot the president or whatever. Oh yeah [snorts] it's a fine line. Well there used to be these theories like you know you date someone who's an only child and like they need a lot more attention or something like but then you could also say well no but they grew up being able to spend more time alone. So like I don't think any of this stuff really holds I don't know I I ask in in seriousness not just cuz you're an only child but because you cover some of this on your podcast. The guy that's done a thousand 100 podcast episodes needs some attention. >> No. >> Maybe. >> No, the guy who did 1,001 podcast episodes in a significant fraction of sending around human dynamics and biology and psychology. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm actually a fan of your podcast. Thanks. F one. Good. That's why I make that up. >> We're all fans of each other. I got to show I got to show you this. I I learned this thing about this 21-year-old college student in Austin who has made $43,000 running an AI OnlyFans account. >> Dude, I I just heard that I had this meeting where they were talking about how >> Oh, he's doing like Oh, no. >> Wow. >> Wait, so that's the dude and that's the >> That's the guy. >> And she's the AI version that he's selling? >> Yep. >> Um >> Okay. Well, what what is this? >> This is a This is a 22-year-old. This is like her avatar, right? So, he's using Claude code and Flux and ElevenLabs. And basically, she can chat 24 hours a day with all of her subscribers. And her top fans paid nearly $2,000 in messages. Average revenue per fan, $34. And uh she doesn't sleep. There's nothing to film. No one's typing. Claude code writes every message. Flux generates every photo. And ElevenLabs generates her voice. >> What's the added context? Is it >> OnlyFans requires verification that includes individuals' ID, addresses, and numerous forms. There is no camera, no girls, and no OnlyFans except for a lot farming Twitter revenue with a made-up story. Well, it's a good story. >> It's a good Well, there there's there's something that is happening with with cuz you know with AI is um what what what Hollywood is embracing right now is like sets, right? Like so, in other words, they'll they're they'll bring in the actors for real right now. And they'll say like, "Okay, you guys are are acting. We'll put a table in the room, but this is going to be in, you know, whatever. It's outdoors. Like the table is in Siberia." So, the the set is AI, right? But what some apparently OnlyFans performers have been approached is for a payout where they already have a following, like the OnlyFans person has a following, a company goes, "We'll pay you X amount of dollars to have your your OnlyFans account for like 6 months." And then the A what they're doing is putting the the OnlyFans person into an AI situation, having them do wilder things than they actually do, generating a whole crazy amount of revenue. And now that OnlyFans performer is like, "Yeah, but I didn't do this stuff." You know? So, they're like >> And then you're obliged when you get your account back. You're like, "Hey, but do you remember what you were doing with your feet for the last 6 months?" >> You were drinking piss and now you're just like posing again. Yeah. >> Woah. >> So, they're exploiting the hell out of them with AI. >> that's a level of explo- self-exploitation to actual exploitation. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> But, I mean, you can obviously like that was that's nuts, too. >> Yeah. >> exists, regardless of whether or not the guy set up the system to do the thing. Like that dude is making that work by masturbating. >> Yeah. >> That's a girl over the top of him wearing a pants. >> Do you think we're close to the point where like you can go on vacation and then just have AI, that you know, this this pipeline generate a podcast and no one will know? >> So, [snorts] like Notebook LM kind of does this already. I've had a couple of conversations with different platforms that are thinking about doing it, too, that makes me a bit uncomfortable. But, I mean, the thing that I'm going through at the moment, which is wild, is Eleven Labs, their go-to British voice. So, Eleven Labs is like the big AI text-to-speech >> Mhm. >> company. Like Matthew McConaughey is a investor in it, it's made tons of money, it's absolutely ripped. Their go-to AI British voice is me. >> That makes sense. >> 1,000% been trained on me. But, it's awesome until people use it as voice-overs for products that I don't endorse. >> That's when you sue, my friend. >> Dude, we emailed them. We emailed 11 Labs >> That's not sue. >> a year ago and said, "Hey, like this is Chris. Like you've used Chris's voice." And they said, "Oh, we've done a a Rohschmann-Heismann test and it's come back at .3 similarity and it needs to be above .65 in order to" I'm like, >> So they There's 11 Labs 11 Labs poached you or these other people poached you? >> No, 11 Labs used the Archer They must have trained this voice on me. >> Yeah. >> Like pull up that essay, the the video essay, the M1 for >> I got someone I'm going to connect you to. I got a friend who's like perhaps the world's best scientist on the neuroscience of of speech and language. >> Is he going to be able to say, "Yeah, that's Chris's voice. Give him some money." >> Yeah, because I don't know what I don't know what criteria they're using. I don't know what criteria they're using. Yes, you do. You name, face, and likeness and that's your likeness. The um I don't know what criteria they're using, but there's a way where you look at the envelope of the frequency and you could There's The reason it sounds like you is because they're capturing some overall essence. Now, it's true with certain music, like certain songs, right? If you change a couple chords, then you you escape the copyright. So this is essentially what they're doing, right? But um Yeah, there's there's ways There's ways to address this with them where you I'm not saying get legally aggressive. It costs you a lot of money. It costs a lot of time. But But you own your voice. Just like I can't take a picture of you and just like like tweak something just a little bit and then make a video and have you sell something. >> You know, I tried that. I got caught. [laughter] So um yeah, but >> You do have a villain's voice, you know. >> Look at this. Look at this video essay. It's been over 12 years since the disappearance of flight MH370. >> Play this. >> Massive searches, more than 200 million dollars spent, and on March 8th, 2026, [music] Ocean Infinity officially called off its search. The CEO, Oliver Plunkett, essentially admitted what no one in the official investigation wanted to say. Maybe the plane simply isn't where we've been looking, but one man wasn't surprised. People think >> [laughter] >> people think that this is my secret second channel where I do video essays. >> Yeah, but if it was you would be saying this right now. >> It's not my secret second aviation files. Like this video is good. I watched it. I really enjoyed it. >> [laughter] >> And people doing like shill legit company ads. >> You should be doing more voice over work though anyway. >> Thank you. It's a shame. Yeah. >> Infinitely scalable with that but I want to hear you on the Simpsons. >> Dude, it's very well that's that one is strange but then there's another one what people are using it for is ads. So they're putting my voice as the voice over for ads and originally it was just like VO with subtitles. >> At this if if it's getting into ads it is worth doing some like at least legal kind of experimentation here. >> Years ago there was this Jawzersizer ad. I remember that one. With me talking and it was all AI, right? So and people you know, I get enough crap anyway but people were like, "Oh, the Jawzersizer." I'm like, "I'm not so This was all AI." >> [laughter] >> I train my You got to train your neck, guys. You got to train your neck. >> Do I iron neck it? >> No, I have a four-way neck machine or I do some like a plate with wrapped in a towel and you know, that kind of thing. It's your upper spine. It's important. I don't have the best posture but I don't have the worst posture. >> No. >> What do you mean you don't want a thick thick neck? You have like a like cop into his thumb for a neck. >> [laughter] >> You don't want You don't want a neck so big that it restricts your breathing. >> Yeah, well you know, Jones says if your neck gets big enough you produce DMT in your sleep which is why he's in he's in connection with interdimensional entities and that's where he gets a lot of his information. So, I was just checking. >> Science behind the fact that he owes nearly a billion dollars. >> [laughter] >> But hey, he's the last person I want to get into the [laughter] mix with is Alex Jones. I don't know him. I've seen some things here or there. His employees get shot walking up to their house. Seems like a dude to avoid for the most part. But anyway, love and light as they say in Los Angeles. >> Fair enough. >> [laughter] >> Is there a level of neck thickness you can get to where you just stop producing drugs? >> DMT in his sleep. That's He He claims his neck is so thick he produces DMT. >> That cannot be real. >> Yeah, it's so funny. It's so funny though. >> That is funny. >> To just brag about a thing you're like, okay, yeah, sure. >> He's like random node connector. [laughter] Like in terms of he's just like, you know, like the There's this thing in psychosis called clang associations where people who are psychotic start to associate the sound of a word, like the phonetics of it, with the meaning. So, they'll be like, I was out for a walk, talk. We should talk, you know, and then they kind of go down these you know, the the brain is broken in some sense, right? And so, they're following these nodes that are not of reality at some level or they're pseudo random or hyper random. Um and so, clang associations often show up in like the health and wellness thing where I had These are hard to think about where someone will say, yeah, you know, I um Or people do it visually. They'll be like, oh yeah, you know, walnuts are really high in this particular fatty acid. It's good for your brain and it looks like a brain. >> Yeah. >> And that's why it's good for your brain and you go, that's a visual clang association. That's psychotic. >> It's like numerology. >> No, it's true that the fatty acid in walnuts like it might have some brain benefits. But it's not like But it's not because it's it's not in the shape of a brain because of that. So, humans love to do these things. There's something called pareidolia which is like people look at clouds and they'll be like, oh my god, it looks like like a puppy dog or something. But some people take that into the world, right? They can be great artists but they also need to be effing crazy. >> they take that into the world? >> Well, some people will take that into the world and they'll, you know, they'll see something and they'll go, "Oh, you know, that that window is like a matrix that matches something I had before and there's like a There this is like a portal to that other thing." And you can't really argue with their logic cuz they can usually do the simple math of it, but it doesn't it doesn't square with like a functional life. And if you go down And if you hop on their thing, like you're effed. Like you're not getting anything done that day, right? Even in psychedelic journeys, mhm, that This is what's interesting, I think, about some of the real psychedelics, like psilocybin and LSD. There is this weird thing about them, which is it's not really psychosis. There seems to be some some real structure about the unconscious mind revealed in those under those drugs. And you know, that's why people always use the thing the guy who developed polymerase chain reaction, which you can use to amplify DNA, which is used for everything from, you know, forensics to, you know, genealogy, all sorts of things, you know, you know, evaluating embryos, you know, seeing if kids are going to be healthy, all that stuff. That supposedly that guy came to the logic of that on an LSD trip. Now, he also did a lot of really hardcore science. He knew his math. Like he really he understood. But there does seem to be some like real core structure of the way that thing that the world is is built and the way that the mind is built that can be revealed, you know, with proper support, in in psychedelics. But people are just walking around like making these, you know, clang associations. You find them at a low You see a lot You hear a lot of this in LA, like in within the health and wellness thing. And people will be like they sort of associating the shape of things with how good they are for you or they'll they'll some verbal like a a little like pun they'll think is real. It's a bunch of horse It's It's like It's It's not quite psychosis, but it's kind of like veering there. >> Have you experimented with >> And And so, Alex Jones, I'm not calling him psychotic. But it's like take [clears throat] two things, DMT and neck size. And you go like like >> [laughter] >> listen, I would be the first person to open to it. I would I would be totally open to it if there was any kind of like high circuit. You know, we've dissected a lot of human bodies over the years like the the medical and science community. Like so if there's a basis for it like I would be totally interested. I think the chakras are really interesting as like convergence centers for you know for nerves and vessels that might have some real basis. So I don't think it's totally cuckoo. But he seems to be really good at like merging themes to create interesting stories. And here we are talking about it. >> Yeah, have you ever seen have you ever seen the website for spurious correlations? >> No, but that's that's what it sounds like. unbelievable. So this is basically mapping two things onto a graph that seems like they're correlated but can't be. I like I swear the number of films that Nicholas Cage was in and the number of people that die by eating cheese per year is the same. >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> Right. Annual US household spending on alcoholic beverages correlates with the number of septic tank services and sewer pipe cleaners in New Hampshire. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Go down. Go down. The popularity of the call me maybe meme and the kerosene use in Panama. Like almost one to one. >> Woah. >> Right. Like Google Google searches for that is sus and a stock price for this random company. >> Love it. But the question is were these pulled together at random or did they or did they you know they search for for common curves? >> This this Tyler Vigen Tyler Vigen guy like he literally tries to find things that are just correlated. And this website is filled with thousands of them. Like how nerdy Tom's got YouTube titles on the number of movies that Mila Kunis appeared in. >> Damn. >> It's >> Chipotle Mexican girls. So good. >> So good. Ticket sales for the Houston Astros game. >> to somebody that was psychotic, they would be flipping out. They'd be >> Well, this is all the sort of stuff that conspiracy theories Google searches for why do I have green poop and solar power generated in Bulgaria? >> [laughter] >> Johnny Depp >> Number of movies Johnny Depp appeared in this season when >> Pirates of the Caribbean coming out or Caribbean >> I believe so. >> Nice. >> I might have I might have heard that from a very reputable source. >> Yeah, that's awesome. >> Is it Johnny? >> No. >> You friends with Johnny? >> No, never met him. >> Oh. >> It's going to be a fat check for Johnny, dude. >> You know, I think his comeback people are eagerly awaiting. >> I mean >> you reckon he got paid? >> I think he has >> For the movie? >> For for the the new Pirates, it's going to be It's going to be a a sizable guarantee he's going to have a massive piece of the back end cuz it's it's not makeable. >> You can't do it without him. >> So the piece of the back end is going to be >> What's that what's piece of the back end? >> Like points. He's going to have a percentage probably from maybe if if he has the best deal it's going to be like dollar one gross percentage. Which is like the moment somebody buys a ticket he's gets a piece of that and that could be a billion dollar box office thing so he could be getting I mean if it's as big as we would anticipate nine figures for doing a movie. >> That's like the Jordan deal, right? >> Yeah, it's a wild. >> Comeback I wonder if it'll compensate for what he lost got from the trial and then gets from this whether or not you know if you looked at >> Financially. >> Well, he's also famously a loose spender, you know? So Oh, you never read that article? >> No. >> It was amazing, dude. >> About his spending habits? >> Yeah, yeah. It was a Rolling Stone article that it was like a 20 page thing about like how he spends and it was I mean it's just like fascinating because he was he was spent like he obviously can at the time you know generate crazy income but he would spend wild so like if he liked a car he would be like, "I like this car and I have eight houses, so I want one of each of these cars at the eight houses." He was spending like 30 or 40 grand a month on wine, like every month. It was It was just multiples of everything. And it's just >> I heard about the wine in the trial. They called it a mega pint. >> Yeah, and then, like, I don't know, there was a thing with the business manager. He was like, they're like, "You're behind on taxes and and payments to us." But then he would like do a movie, so then revenue would come in. And then, you know, but it was it was >> Like Floyd Mayweather. He's the Floyd Mayweather of acting. He was the money team. >> That's crazy. >> It was a It was a crazy article. >> of Depp's reportedly $650 million fortune is gone, according to Rolling Stone. >> levels of accrual and loss. That's >> serious. >> something nice about that. I'm just getting to spend all $650 million bucks. >> What's interesting is >> Hang on. Hang on. Depp reportedly spent $75 million on more than a dozen residences, $3 million to shoot the ashes of his friend Hunter S. Thompson into the air from a cannon. >> That's pretty gangster. >> $7,000 to buy his daughter a couch from the set of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Okay, that's that's I >> I don't know. >> [laughter] insane. >> Yeah, that's pretty wild, man. >> I love it. >> I mean, it's a It's a It's a fun read, too. >> Also, he's been famous since such a young age. It's amazing he's he's as sane as he is, you know? And I don't know him, but I'm assuming he's sane. But, you know, earlier we were talking about, you know, sort of like how different it is. And I was like, can you imagine growing up where you see yourself on a screen and on the internet? Like, you know, I didn't see myself on a screen until I was like 45 years old. Your brain's mostly developed, right? For better or worse. But like as a kid, like and then you're making money for it and then you're just out there. It's wild. >> Yeah, and he was like that as like 19, you know? >> Totally. Yeah, they claim that's kind of what killed Elvis. He was like one of the first people ever to have his image projected pretty much all across the world on my television. It's got >> a mindfuck. >> Elvis, Obviously, claim that like they he was one of the first people to have like a massively popular visual like a doppelganger, basically. And you have to like watch yourself and millions of people are watching you. And they they said that kind of just like >> deranging >> Yeah. >> When I saw that movie, I forget what the movie was called about his manager and the whole thing. I swear, you know, if there wasn't a better case for circadian health than that film. Cuz you know, it's like the darkness of the hotel and he's in there all day and like he went wacko. If you want to make someone There's a thing called ICU psychosis where people come into the intensive care unit and they're being woken up in the middle of the night and they've got lights on, you know, there's like hospital life, right? >> Yeah. >> And they start to become genuinely psychotic. They go home, the psychosis lifts. This is a well-known phenomenon cuz their circadian rhythm is so out of whack. You have enough fractured sleep like that for enough time, like you will lose your mind. >> What's the What's the longest someone's ever stayed awake? Do you know? >> Oh, I forget. There's someone like a some radio DJ did this in the '70s or something. That's like a fundraiser >> Of course. >> And it was like And when When you look this up, I think it's six days or seven days. I mean, eventually you die, right? Because there's so much inflamma- Now we know it'll be kind of catastrophic levels of inflammation. I mean, during sleep, you're the whole reset of the body is like tamping down inflammation, coordinating the different organs of your body, like getting them back in check. Like all like your your you know, your liver and your and your stomach, they're they're working on different time scales, but they need to be like kind of nudged into place like an orchestra. I don't know. So, yeah, things really fall apart here. Randy Gardner, here we go. Um 11 11 days and 25 Wow. >> The record is set by Randy Gardner, a 17-year-old high school student in California as part of a science fair experiment. Researchers monitored him throughout and it was 11 days, 25 minutes, which is 264 hours. Interestingly, after finally sleeping, he recovered surprisingly well with no obvious long-term damage recorded at the time. >> Well, he was young. It definitely helps when you're young. >> Uh what's the longest that you guys have ever stayed awake? >> I mean, several days. >> Really? >> Yeah, several days. Yeah, I'm I can't >> Any stimulants besides caffeine? >> No, no. >> This is a safe space. >> Yeah, no, no, no. >> [laughter] >> Was it at a meth party? >> No, I just I >> Just >> As there was also [laughter] travel involved, yeah, you know, and yeah, stayed up and >> No naps, like real just >> Real pushing through, yeah, pushed through a few times. >> I I had this thing in college where I just started being like one day a week I'll just stay up all night and work at night. I was going to deliver at Insomnia Cookies. I'll just I'll stay up 24 hours, go to school, then work the other 12. If I stay up all night one night a week, I'll be fine. It just shattered me in like a week and a half and I was like, all right, I I can't stupid idea. >> Yeah, it's it's brutal. It really These days I'm so much more sensitive to it though. >> Yeah, as you get older, you need the regularity. You also get the experience of how much better it feels when you actually get to sleep. Yeah. >> Yeah, why is it that you're less >> tolerant to with your sleep when you're 45 than when you were 25? >> Just global levels of of inflammation. As you get older, just inflammation increases. >> Yeah. >> You know, the sort of the amplitude of inflammation on the circadian cycle like it it looks like this when you're, you know, young, it starts to look like this then you sleep deprivation I'm making maybe this but like as a sort of like top contour plot you'd be like it's really amplified. Then you're like inflammation kind of like cortisol, right? You meant to have this big cortisol peak in the morning and that subsides. That's super healthy. That's the healthy pattern but if you start staying awake, it starts getting jagged line, you know, and >> Well, how long have you stayed awake? >> [sighs] >> Day and a half probably is the most. Uh I I've struggled to sleep on planes and when I was always flying like go to Bali and stuff like that be like overnight then you arrive there and you're all excited and you're like, ah, it's the middle of the afternoon, it, I'm going to start drinking. I'll go out and party with me friends, do stuff. Probably about day and a half, I guess, but like >> May- maybe two maybe two, yeah. >> There's no way I've done 48 hours. There's no way. >> Yeah, I can do one night. >> Cuz you wouldn't ever do 48 unless you change time zones a lot. >> Right. You would only ever do 36. >> Right, or whatever the next one is. >> Doing all plane is tough. I mean, like, when you talk to the guys that did do buds and stuff, they're like they will tell you like they get the opportunity at one point to take like a 30-minute nap, and some of them just opt out cuz it's harder than if you just keep moving. I don't know if that's true. >> Have you seen the backyard ultras? Have you seen this? >> Oh, yeah. >> So, this is Last man standing races. >> So, Nick Bare does one of them. A BPN here. >> There's a guy Chad, um Ah, former SEAL guy, long red beard, Chad Wright. >> Did he win? >> I think he does these last man standing things. >> Have you seen these? >> No, I don't know this All right, so it's you have to do Yeah, he's a legit badass. That guy will just he'll run your ass to death, basically. >> 1 miles? >> Every hour you have to complete, I think it's 4 miles. And there's a loop, and by the time that the bell rings for the beginning of the next hour, you have to have completed the loop, and if not, you're out. And they just go until everyone quits, right? So, uh just how you how far is like a sorry, um yeah, there it is, 4.17 miles. Uh or 6.7 K. >> drop. >> What's the winner? How many does the winner do? >> Dude, the guy just did that bear one. >> Like two days. He was running for two days. >> It was >> Wasn't it like 100 and some, like some crazy amount of miles, like >> I think it was 200 miles. >> 200 miles? >> Yeah, more than more than 200. But, these guys just they just keep going, and then they're grabbing short bits of sleep. And obviously, it's a trade-off, right? Cuz if you run faster, you have more time to get get >> You have like a >> You got if you if you completed it in, let's say, 30 minutes, you have 30 minutes to spend how you want, right? >> But, then you've just done 4 miles in 30 minutes, which is more tiring than 4 miles in 45 minutes. I think most people, it seems like do like 45 minutes-ish of movement, and then 15 minutes of recovery, and then go again. Like it seems like the recent backyard ultra, Phil Gore ran 114 laps of the backyard ultra format, 475 miles over nearly five straight days. >> And he went to 496. >> He nearly did 500 miles. >> That's crazy. >> I don't >> Yeah, that's some Forrest Gump right there. >> Yeah, I would do one and then eat and then stop. >> [laughter] >> I know. That's a good workout. >> Yeah, that'd be nice. >> Yeah. >> I've never run a marathon. I'm sort of tempted, but not really. >> Are you? You think you're not built for a marathon, dude. >> I ran cross country in high school. I was a lot lighter. >> Yeah, you were half the size. >> I was probably 100 lbs lighter. No, no, no, no. I was about 75 lbs lighter. >> Yeah. You do any running You do some running now? >> Yeah, thanks. >> How old are you? >> We already did this. [laughter] Are you saying I'm I'm going to do a marathon? >> I do a long slow run. >> Which is how far? >> Like in you know, I would maybe do like 6 miles, so. >> Okay. >> I used to do I used to do further like 8 or 10 when I was lighter, right? I'd do a long run. Then midweek I'd do a 30-minute run at a faster clip. And then one day a week I either get on the Airdyne bike and you know, do some sprint intervals or I'll do some running sprint intervals. >> But you're >> And then I lift three days a week. >> But you're actually like thinking about doing a marathon. >> Yeah, you know, every once in a while someone will be like, "Hey, there's a half marathon in like outside of Aspen, which is beautiful and you can like crest into the town and we could you know, and I'm like, "That sounds kind of cool. 13 miles seems you know, like doable." Like Mark Bell, he's a big dude. >> Yeah. >> I mean Mark Bell is denser than dark matter. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm not talking about your brain, Mark. He's a smart guy. Um but he has like the highest muscle density ever. It's insane. When he moves, it's like everything twitches. >> Like one of those Belgian blue bulls. >> Totally. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so he's run marathons. >> Yeah, what's crazy is he used to be like highly competitive powerlifter and was like 320 lbs and then now he just shrunk all the way down but he's still like the muscle is just crazy. >> press a thousand pounds. I'm not kidding. I Is that possible? >> I don't think the bench press record is I think the bench press record is >> squatted a thousand >> squatted a thousand is no >> I don't know. Can we look at Mark Bell's best bench? He I mean he was genuinely fat, too. >> Yeah. >> But >> huge very very fat >> it was 700 pounds. I don't know. In any case, it's nuts. He was also doing the snake diet recently. He was really What the is that? Do you know about that? >> Yeah, he was >> Where you just do sugar >> Yeah. >> all day long low protein. So, there's this weird thing, right? And there are all these crazy theories. I want to just disclaimer, I don't necessarily believe the mechanism, but there's this idea that when you are low protein high sugar, you generate this fibro fibroblast growth factor, one of these FGFs, that then converts into a bunch of energy and this is why I like kids have tons of The theory is this is why kids have tons of energy. And so, he was doing this diet of just like fruit and candy and low protein carbs all day and then like a chicken breast at night. And he claims he got like >> super shredded >> shredded on this had tons of energy. I tried it for like half a morning and I'm like, "I want my eggs. I want my protein drink. I'm not doing this." >> He He Was he not carnivore for a while? >> Sorry, 854 pounds. I apologize. I misspoke. Not a thousand pounds, but not that far off. >> But he said 2,000 at 2,000 pound total and he said a thousand pound squat, which is >> Yeah, just a thousand pounds. That makes sense. Nobody's Nobody's bench pressing a thousand pounds. >> Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Was he not the carnivore guy? for a long time >> Yeah, and he and his brother were >> And he's now the sugar maxing guy. >> Basically. But he also is just >> But got shredded on both diets. >> Yeah, he likes to experiment with these things. >> He like He loves to experiment with these things. >> Because he would like That's great guy. >> That's great. >> He and Nasima are like a really important corner of the health and fitness world, in my opinion, cuz I do genuinely believe that Nasima is natural. Like I He just has like wild genetics and trains really really hard. And >> black. >> Does that have anything to do with it? >> He definitely has the build of a guy that could could be white and natural. Like do you know anyone that's white and natural that's built like that? >> Yeah, I mean Nassim is not white. I agree with you on that. I'm not trying to be politically [laughter] correct. I don't know. I don't know. I They hadn't occurred to me that it was that it was related to >> I think that's an an intense level when you get to that level of performance. >> All right, we have to get Nassim on here. I'm not trying to dance around it. I just I don't know. But >> He's a He's amazing. >> But Mark is always doing these experiments. Like, he's into like the the David Weck rope flow and he like takes it to the extreme. He does it like every day, talks about it nonstop. Then he does the snake diet, which is the sugar thing. He takes it to the extreme. He just I love it cuz he's willing to do this stuff and he he's checked off the boxes of Like, he's really good at the stuff that he puts his mind to. >> Big neck as well. I bet he's got loads of DMT. >> And he's also not selling you a damn thing. Yeah, you know. And so, he's just like You know, we we need guys like him, you know. And he's very open about his steroid use. He has been for a long time. >> Hang on, I thought he said he was natural. >> Oh, no. Nassim is >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Mark Bell is definitely Martin Bell hasn't been natural since he was whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fourth grade. >> What's What's the truth about the marshmallow test? Cuz I keep on seeing this being debunked and rebunked and then you tweeted about it. >> Yeah, so this was done at Stanford, right? Everyone's heard about it. You put kids in front of a marshmallow. If they can wait, they get a second marshmallow. The kids that could wait, um the original data said that correlate with bet- better life outcomes, better SAT scores, better schools, better income, you know. That Kids who couldn't wait, more incarcerations. That was the idea. Those data propagated widely and those conclusions propagated widely. I should be Not the data. The conclusions propagated widely. Then there was the criticism. >> Who did the original study? Was it Roy? >> So, it was at Bing. I think it was at um Bing nursery school in in uh at Stanford or somewhere in Escondido Village. Same place that the drawing incentive extrinsic motivation stuff was done. In any case, then there There the the of that which said, "Well, whether or not these kids waited or not depending on how much they trusted the experimenter." which is also true. If the experimenter was someone that they knew and trusted, then they would Well, they probably will bring the second marshmallow. Here's what they So, I just had a guest on my podcast which is a guy from Ohio State. He studies self-control motivation and he knows this literature better than anybody. And he studies it in his own lab, Dr. Kentaro Fujita. Fujita, he told me is the correct pronunciation. Excuse me, Japanese listeners. So, turns out the way the experiment was done is every kid got a marshmallow in front of them. A timer was set for 15 minutes. Every kid ate the marshmallow. Nobody talks about this. No kid waited for the second marshmallow. But, they were able to see how long they were able to wait before they got the second marshmallow. So, some kids were like and the videos are really cute cuz sometimes the kids would like they have these times where they're like Like they're like looking at it or they'd be like You know, they're like trying to like they're like thinking about it. But, every kid ate no kid made it 15 minutes, which is interesting. We never hear that. If you look at the data that way, it turns out that even if you factor in the critique, you look at the repetition of that study, it turns out that this self-control, delayed gratification thing does seem to hold up over time. You can But, you can build it out. You can develop this. >> How old were these kids? Do you remember? >> I forget. Maybe they were like five, six. I don't know. We can We look at but >> are your kids at not eating a marshmallow that's in front of them for 15 minutes? >> One could definitely do it. >> Mhm. >> The competitive one. >> 100%. >> Yeah. >> 100%. >> Right. >> He has incredible like self-discipline and restraint. Like it's >> You tell him some other kid wait two days, he's waiting three. >> Oh, dude. Yeah, for real. And the other one would be like oh, I'll just immediately >> Right. >> He'd be like it's just gone. I don't know where it went. >> I did it with my oldest kid. I actually did the marshmallow experiment. But, I was like don't eat that cuz I was like if you eat that, you're Just please don't eat that marshmallow. >> [laughter] >> She was like, "All right." >> YOU SCARED THE >> It's a disappointment. >> You know, the The of your life hinges on how long it takes [laughter] you to eat this marshmallow. You have no idea what's at stake. >> I mean, I feel like now more than ever, child or adult, so much of life is basically what you decide not to do. Like just don't stay on social media too long. Like go there and use it, but don't stay on there too long. Don't watch too much porn in your case, you know. You know, I I feel like >> [laughter] >> I feel like you got it in a good place. >> I did. I I swear to god, I finally finally after years >> It was a problem? >> Yeah, it was just For me it was like it was never like a massive problem, but it just like there's like an intuitive feeling afterwards where I'd just be like, "It's not what I want to be doing." And then it's like just come on, man, you can do this. And then finally I'm like, "All right, I I don't want this anymore." Just feels bad. It's like the people making them, there's no way you're telling me the majority or even close to the majority of the women making porn are having like a nice life. You're like I think you're feeding off like a really sinister thing. And it's >> So for you it was it was guilt and shame around how um other people are exploited for your pleasure ultimately. >> And squishy 40-year-old boners after the fact. >> Yeah. >> That it all it all congealed and I was like, "There we go." That clears it. >> You want to hear something really You [laughter] want to hear something You want to hear something really embarrassing? So I'm I'm not an actor. I've never been in a any kind of thing like that. I tried to play when I was a kid, I ended up doing crew like you know, like doing the curtain and stuff like that. But recently someone wrote to me and they were like, "Hey, you're in episode 1 and 2 of season 2 of Beef. And >> We signed the release form for that. >> Yeah, so you're in it, too? >> No, because it's we signed the release form for this, right? >> But so I go to it and I'm like, "Okay, cool." And they give me the timestamp and I go to it. >> [laughter] >> I thought I I thought I got punked cuz in both cases it's a dude jerking off to porn, then cleaning up his computer and his hands, and then he goes out for a run listening to my podcast. So this is This is about dopamine. So this is how this guy gets over the guilt of masturbation. Listen to my [laughter] voice. So, I was like, you know, I was all excited. I was going to like send it to my mom. I was going to send it to my sister. And then I see this thing and I was like, all right. And then I asked my team, I'm like, did we approve this? And they're like, yeah, we approved it. I'm like, yeah, you approved it. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, it was it was interesting. >> One of the clips is One of the clips is from our episode. >> Awesome. >> So, Rob, your manager Rob and us were like, yeah, sure, we'll sign it off and you didn't know about it. >> Nice. Nice. And this is why you have MALE FRIENDS. >> EXACTLY. >> [laughter] >> WAY TO GO. >> YEAH, that's it. It's just kind of you finish and you're like, this isn't what I need to be doing. Especially once you have kids, then you're like, dude, I really can't do this in my house. If you get busted by a kid, it's it's over. >> Oh my god. >> And it can happen. >> And you don't want them knowing you did this. So, it's great that you're talking about this on the internet. >> Hey, man. >> I've never even thought about this. The fact that >> [laughter] >> all of your fears as a kid was being walked in on by your mom or dad, but all of your fears a parent is being walked in on by your kid. >> 1,000% >> Oh my god. >> It's interesting. The trauma gets so much deeper. >> Way worse. >> Yeah, it'd be horrible. So, that was the one I was like, >> That's a good insight. >> No more. >> You're going to make a great parent. >> [laughter] >> So, yeah. Yeah. >> You will make a great parent. >> Yeah, I can't wait to be a dad. >> You'll make a great parent. >> What about Okay, the other thing that I've kept on thinking about that I've never asked you. Sunscreen. >> Mhm. >> Is it killing us or not? >> Mhm. No, it's not killing us. >> Mhm. >> Is it bad for us? Should we Is it I'm about to do >> We'll go in layers again, right? >> Couple of things to know about sunscreen. >> Yeah, I was you know, I won't do the whole >> This is rabbit holes This is like Alex Jones >> You need sunlight. >> Mhm. >> Not just for vitamin D. You want sunlight on your skin as much as possible in terms of days of your life that you can get it. That doesn't mean as much sunlight as possible. Why? UV light, right? Short wavelength light can damage the DNA in your skin cells. Yes, it can cause problems. You need a lot of it. So, in order for that to happen. Here's the interesting thing. The UV index is low when the sun is low in the sky. Very easy to remember. So, early day and later day, UV index is low. How do you know it's low? We can look on an app, you can Google it or whatever, ChatGPT it. But, if you can look at the sun and it's not painful to look at, typically, that's cuz the sun is lower in the sky. There's something called Rayleigh scattering and a lot of the UV gets filtered out. Okay. So, getting some sunlight in your eyes as you Everyone's heard me say a million times before, but also on your skin in the early part of the day. And if you can, in the later part of the day, great. In the middle of the day, the UV index is very high. So, if you're have pale skin that can burn easily, you want to be careful how much exposure you get at that time. Now, sunscreen. Okay, excuse me. Shielding from the sun can be accomplished by physical barrier, right? But, there's stuff in the sun that's not short wavelength light, which is the reds and the ultraviolet and the near you know, near infrared stuff Excuse me. Cut that. There's also wavelengths of light. This is my area, so we don't You know, keep it and it. You [laughter] know, we make mistakes sometimes. I've made mistakes before. God forbid I would misspeak. All right. >> [laughter] >> There are longer wavelengths of light in the sun. So, the the yellows, the oranges, the reds, the near infrared, and the infrared, which you can't see. That's the heat from the sun. And that stuff is really important for the mitochondria of your cells. And it actually can go through your body. This was demonstrated by my friend Glen Jeffery from University College, London. Even if you have a t-shirt, that's the good stuff. Think of it as like the high-quality protein of sunlight. So, you want that long wavelength light. It's not present in LEDs, okay? It's present in some incandescent bulbs. It's present in in candlelight and firelight. It's present in sunlight. So, you want that stuff. So, you don't want to completely shield yourself from the sun. But, if you're wearing a light t-shirt like that or like that or like that, some of that's going to get through and into your body. But, if you know, if it's appropriate for where you're at, you you off your shirt and get some more of your skin. That's That's great to do as long as you don't burn. Sunscreen typically blocks the UV, okay? And there's sunscreen and sunblock, and it gets kind of nuanced, but if you are worried about the endocrine disruptors, or you're worried about the coral reefs, right, and the disruption to the oceans that are caused by sunscreens, if you're swimming in the ocean, it's very simple. Just use a mineral-based sunscreen, mineral only. So, zinc oxide only. Now, a lot of people, in particular women, don't like it cuz it doesn't tend to rub in as well, but there's some versions that do. And that works just fine. But, this idea that you need to completely shield from the sun all the time, except for people who have like genetic abnormalities that that require that, it's complete >> What about the endocrine disruptors? Is that true? >> Well, those are mostly in the chemical-based sunscreens, right? >> what everyone's using. >> Those spray ones, the benzene-based ones, those are very problematic. Now, could could you use them once in a while and it's not a problem? Sure, but if your kids are at the pool all day and you're getting this stuff on I mean, kids' skin is your young skin is also much more absorbent than older skin. So, the simple takeaway is try not to get burned, get some sunlight on your skin as much as you can each day. Doesn't mean you have to get completely naked, you know, you can thin you know, thin clothing can can do it, but that longer wavelength light is the red light the best red light therapy in the world. And then ultimately, it's the balance between the longer wavelengths and these shorter wavelengths. And that gets into a discussion about like, are LED lights bad? Well, they're not really bad, but they're really blue-shifted. And they're really short wavelength-shifted. And it's not just about disrupting your circadian rhythm. If you're going to be indoors a lot, you want to try and get more of that long wavelength light. You could get it from red light therapy, you could get it from using incandescent bulbs, and you can get best thing would be get sunlight on you. And that whole thing around LEDs maybe causing problems for mitochondria, which is what the short wavelengths light can do, independent of the effects on sleep, was considered kind of crazy quack science until Glenn Jeffery's lab started looking at this and nature magazine which is a legitimate scientific publication they've been around more than you know a hundred and something years and the serious science only although there are some you know there are some horse papers are published there but usually gets corrected over time they they published a a review recently which said yeah like yeah you can see what you want is that balanced spectrum of long wavelength medium wavelength and short wavelength light but not getting burned and the best source of that is this thing that we call the sun so and if you really want to enhance the effect you get outside where there's a lot of greenery because some of that infrared light actually reflects off the greenery so this whole thing of spending time outside and in nature great and even on overcast days some of that comes through so forgive the the long kind of thing and and yes I said UV on the long wavelength is short wavelength light and you know >> You want to you want to hear a cool sun fact I just I just researched the sun the other day I did I I had Shane left so I had to do a podcast so I was like I'll just do outer space and I just talked about outer space the the so the hydrogen fusion whatever that happens in the sun's core that release that releases gamma rays which if they went through they'll just like literally sever your DNA it'll kill you they bounce around in the sun's core that original light that's you know originated in that reaction bounces around the core for like 17,000 to 100,000 years in the core then it gets to the surface and shoots out in like 8 seconds if that and no one knows like what's going on in there but if it didn't do it we would just die we would just get drowned in gamma rays and just be dead if you if you ever wanted if you ever wanted to just trip out you just look at wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation and sources and damage like x-rays are damaging we know this right you don't want too many of them microwaves right you move you heat things up from the inside basically so and it's really cool just kind of think about this and then people go oh like you know is Bluetooth bad I actually use corded headphones cuz I lose the the stupid airpods but microwaves question do you stand in front of the microwave when it's going? Interesting. We're completely relying on the on the the the shield. >> Yeah. The literal see-through piece of >> Yeah. Yeah. We have a lot of trust. The other thing that we completely trust I always trip out on this stuff is like when the when the elevator door is closing and it's going to go up or down and that door is like huge. People go to let somebody on. Think about if it didn't stop. >> I know. >> And you're just like ripped in half. But we trust it. We just trust it. >> I always get kind of like always have kind of a like spooked out with the microwave going. Like you know what I mean? Like even like I just always stand off to the side. >> out to one side. Have you ever seen people that have got fears of escalators trying to get on? >> Oh, yeah. >> The videos of that? Yeah. And they're like just terrified of the fact that it's and it's moving at you know >> Some people get really scared. >> Two or three miles an hour. Not even one that's going up. Like a travelator. You know at the airport. And they're like holding on to the side. Sometimes it's an entire family. It's an entire family and there's like a queue of people behind them like to escalator. >> I was at the airport and there was like a mom and she was there and her she had like a little kid that was like three or four and the mom got on with all of her luggage and it was this big you know tall steep escalator and she started going down. She turned around her kid was like, "Yeah, right. I'm not going down." And I just looked at her and I was like you want me to put this kid on here? And she was just like, "Yeah." She didn't speak English. >> I mean just give it up. >> Just grabbed the kid and was like, "Come on man. Get on there." And just set him down to his mom. But yeah, it was she was like, "Oh, no. How am I going to get my bag up there?" >> You when you need to run up an escalator >> She had two big suitcases. You couldn't she wouldn't have been able to yeah. My travel days are like rocking days. I got this big bag that I carry with all my supplements. You know like weighed down and then if there's a big staircase, I swear I'm the only person ever on the staircase. >> You feel powerful on it. >> I just like getting the work in. I don't like arriving in you know sweaty. But you know it's you know there's some days they have showers in the >> workload equivalent of you not fapping over a weekend when you're in a hotel. You're like I did the hard thing. Like I did the I did the hard version of this. >> I'll I'll do the stairs, too. I'll grab my suitcase and be like, I'm going up the stairs. Real hard. >> Yeah, but then you're in your room jerking off 10 minutes later. >> I've got places [laughter] to be, yeah. I'm mighty. >> I'm just kidding, man. I'm not giving you a hard time. >> No, dude, I'm I appreciate your vulnerability and your openness about this, you know. >> Thank you, man. Yeah, yeah, man. >> Yeah, boys, I appreciate you all. Thank you for joining me. [laughter] Tommy, your thing >> Oh, that's a final word. >> thing came out Your thing came out yesterday. >> Yeah, what is it? >> No, yes, Bad Thoughts >> Season 2 >> is on Netflix. Yes, it's on Netflix. It was uh >> Is there a lot of poop in this one, too, though? >> No, there's no poop. >> Oh, thank goodness. [laughter] >> Did you have a problem with the poop? >> I'm not so comfortable with the poop. >> It was a It was a bold choice. It was the first episode of the season to go with poop, but you know, we we learned, we changed. Um there's a whole bunch of different stories. They're all super up again, but um yeah. >> Is Garth Brooks show up in this one, too? >> No, he's a we We're done with him. And um >> And the poop? >> We have new targets and new up stories, but yeah, it was it was a It was a blast to make, and yeah, I'm super excited about it. It's streaming on Netflix. Please check it out. Out now? >> Out now. >> My Are you on tour? >> Yeah, I want to I have my actually this weekend. I don't know when this is coming out, but I'll be in Toronto Friday and the fifth 15th, and then 16th I'll be in Chicago. >> And then And then you've got a book that comes out. >> Protocols, user manual for the human brain and body, and out for pre-sale. It comes out in September, finally. And yeah, you know, I always say if nothing cures insomnia, you know, this book will do it. So. >> I'm going to go rub one out right now. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. >> Thanks for hosting us, guys. >> See you everybody See you next time. Congratulations, you made it to the end of a full podcast episode. You are not so TikTok brained that you've completely dissolved into nothingness. Why not watch another one? Right here. Go on. Press it.