Modern Druid: "Intelligence That Does Not Serve Life Is Suicidal" | Emilio Miller-Lopez

AI is this unbelievable tool. We shouldn't have to use that tool at the cost of the environment and at the cost of our own privacy. >> Green seek is an extension of my entire life really. We've been working on this for the whole past 2 years almost on this idea that we could use open weight models and create a truly private and sovereign AI system. We do not sell data to advertisers. We also do not collaborate with surveillance state systems. >> These data centers are a problem. You know, and I think a lot of people are waking up to the problem that these data centers are causing from water utilization to pollution. >> Intelligence that does not serve life is [music] suicidal. Centralizing all of our AI in this one area and then using these cheap dirty energy sources is a wasteful. Basically, I believe that there's a collusion going on between the energy companies and the AI companies and probably the government [music] right now. >> You don't say. >> Gen Z, the younger generation, they don't want to see their planet destroyed by technology. It's very powerful where they're coming from on a lot of different fronts right now. I would love to see this technology be able to empower them. There's so many different places [music] where we could be using this to actually improve the situation and that's our goal with Green Seek and that's why we call it Green Seek cuz you know, we're seeking a greener way. >> One of the experts that you have is this whole Oracle [music] program that's working on Pythagorean numerology. Talk about that a little bit. >> truly believe that the universe is super intelligent, then AI is awesome. >> So, I have long thought that one of the great tragedies of our history is the druidic lineage has largely been severed. A lineage that was mostly transmitted orally and when you kill a bunch of them and suppress their wisdom, then there's a whole orphaned race of people that can't trace their way back to their indigenous roots. And then here you are, a bard in the druidic lineage and I finally get to talk to a [ __ ] druid. So, thanks for being here, Emilio, and how did you find your way back to this lineage? >> Well, I um I grew up in a family uh my mother's roots were in Ireland, the McDermott family, and uh when I left home, came out west, I I uh ended up attending gatherings with native and indigenous people. And one of the talks I had with a uh native elder in Arizona, he really directed me that the mending of the sacred hoop, he said, was for our people to go back and find our own ancestral lineage. And he they spoke of the uh prophecy stone and the story of the Pahana and the how there was like a Celtic symbol there. And having grown up in an Irish >> what is that? The prophecy stone and the Pahana? >> Well, the uh that's the Hopi talk of uh pre- pre-invader, pre- uh conquistador times, there was uh uh connection between the lost white brother called the Pahana, um who were a more indigenous type of European people that were actually here in North America and had gone away. Sort of parallels the Quetzalcoatl story. Um and the uh story of prophecy rock is that there is actually a symbol there of the Pahana, and it's a a Celtic cross, this circle with the cross in it. So, I had gone out west to go to these large uh festival events, and a lot of people were sort of cultural appropriating from the Native Americans or like Rastafarian guys that were white dreadlock guys who were cultural appropriating from other cultures. >> speaks to this this is there's an innate desire to connect with something indigenous, something that says like we are of this land and we remember. >> Exactly. >> And so I think all of this appropriation is actually just a symptom of us not knowing how to connect back to our own original lineages. >> Exactly. And so uh I was at a circle where uh somebody was saying down with Babylon and attacking Babylon and this this interesting Native American uh Diné person I met there uh he had a lot of knowledge of Babylon and he was sort of questioning why the people were just parroting these ideas and when they didn't know anything about the history of Babylon. And uh I talked with him and he and he was the one that gave me this sort of visionary guidance around your your path is to go back and find your indigenous people and find your way. And so for me that was uh very much in Ireland and the connection with the Celtic lineage and I'd already been playing music and Celtic music and uh you know, involved in in musical uh performance groups like Woodland that were Celtic oriented. Um and so I uh basically in Sedona in 2004 um we were putting on these this very large festival called Fairy Worlds and I met Clive Calbottson who was uh a student of Ben Mcgrady, the last druid uh from there's a very famous documentary on him. And uh they had established the Gaelic order of Ulster and so when Clive met my wife and I my wife Kelly is a Celtic harpist um he and immediately we had an affinity and he initiated us as bards of the order. Um and so from there you know, we continued to build sort of a movement around indigenous European culture with our festival bringing over musical groups from Norway, from uh Ireland, from all around Europe uh to come together and bring their different bodhráns and their harps and their violins. And so like it became this whole um major part of my life path was to help reconnect people back to that lineage that was indigenous that we had. So, but that's how I got back to actually connecting with um, the Druidic tradition was being recognized for the work we were doing by someone from the outside who was already part of the tradition. >> Yeah. I think the most exposure that most people have to Druids is maybe a little bit in the movies somewhere or at least the the King Arthur myth. Because Merlin is not a person, Merlin is a title and it's a title of the head wizard of whatever Druidic order that he was found in or she was found in. I don't know if there's female Merlins, but Merlin is the title like head wizard. And we've made it into a single person in the story, but it makes sense because there was a Merlin of some sort and it's associated with magic and we kind of understand that they like trees. But really not a lot more than most of us understand. So, if you had to explain like what are the core tenets of Druidic belief? >> Mhm. Well, it's interesting like when we were living in Arizona where there was a ancient oak tree there that we would go to visit and my daughter at one point said, "We visit this tree because we're the people of the oak." And actually she was very young, she was like 4 years old and so um, the connection with the word Druid and and the connection to the oak and to the groves, you know, there's there are things we know through like Pliny the Elder and through Julius Caesar they wrote about the affinity for the groves and that the oak tree. And they wrote about it as the conquering force that came and basically wiped out the first batch of Druids that they found. >> All of the all that they could. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, and and yet Julius Caesar had a great respect for the Druids and he he equated their knowledge of the stars with like the the followers of Pythagoras and like um, that also that they were very like had a high affinity for uh Her- Hermes type god like Mercury. And also that they uh the Druids were actually a highly educated advanced people like with with their system of laws and like their whole society was was highly educated. Um so they were sort of like a a their own group within the Gaelic people, you know? And so um so yeah, so most of what we know about the Druids comes from from the Ro- Roman invaders at the time. Um and um because the Druids were oral tradition, it's very difficult to verify even like Ben Mcgrady's lineage of 2,000 years of his family that he uh that he was the claimant to start the Ulster Order. Um how do we verify an oral tradition? You know, even the books we have, we don't know if they're myths or people, you know, whether it's Pythagoras or Jesus Christ, these stories are like uh quite often like written hundreds of years after the people's lives and so they're, you know, we we believe them cuz they're written down, but they're just as much stories, you know? >> Right. >> So I think that that's at the core like the hard part about even claiming to be a a Druid, you know, is to to not have a written lineage or a story like a book that goes along with it, you know, we don't have like a Koran or we don't have a >> [laughter] >> Bible to go with it, you know? But um but what we do have is uh we do have like a festival um under- understanding of like the seasons and and the festivals and traditions that did live on that continued now to be like they've been a renaissance of them, but we do know that they also existed. Um things like Samhain or Halloween, Beltane, like these cross-quarter events between solstices and equinoxes um verifiably have been going on for thousands of years and so written in the seasons and in the our our connection with the trees and with nature, I think is the actual core to the entire Druid uh movement, really. >> So like immersion and cohesion with the natural cycles, the natural phenomenon. I mean, when you're talking about Samhain now, this is an honoring of the dead. So, there's also obviously a deep connection with the the spiritual body that a human being is participating in and also in the veneration of the continuity of that spiritual body, right? >> Mhm. Uh well, and what's interesting about uh the seasonal celebrations um the larger celebrations in the the Celtic and Druidic past were actually not the equinoxes and the solstices, but they were these events that occurred exactly halfway in between. And so, Beltane was like the fest- the giant festival of fertility, you know? Um Samhain was the honoring of like going into the dark half and and of like the ancestors. Um and then in the summer, they had, you know, Lughnasadh. And And actually, my festival was always based on Lughnasadh, which is Lughnasadh is like beginning of the descending of Lugh, which is like the god of light. And so, it was beginning the it was a they called the first harvest, you know? And so, it was the beginning of the summer beginning to wane and it was halfway between summer solstice and fall equinox. And so, this is really interesting that we, you know, so much of what we can recognize in like astrological phenomena of like ancient people recognizing solstices and like people going to say Stonehenge on summer solstice. Um there was actually these larger festivals, these fire festivals that were occurring and so, there was really like this eight festivals of the year, um but the four intermediary festivals were more uh weren't necessarily recognized around the world as much as the solstices and the equinoxes were. >> Mhm. So, what are the stories of the Merlins, of the of their kind of mythos? I mean, obviously, you put on a fairy festival, so you're kind of immersed in this idea of these kind of mythical creatures, astral creatures, if you will. >> Mhm. >> What's your understanding? Do you have stories of, you know, [snorts] either personal stories or stories you've heard, maybe transmitted from McGrady or or other people about, you know, what were the Druids really capable of at their peak and what did what world did they see? >> Well, I mean, McGrady talks about how uh the key feature of a Druid is telepathy. You know, and as a child I was actually very attracted to um learning about ESP, psychic phenomena. There was a old monastery in my town south of Boston where I grew up and uh I would go and take out every book on any kind of ESP and psychic phenomena, even though I was only like 8 years old. To me, those were the things I wanted to learn about. So, I felt like I was naturally already attracted to it right away. Um but the Druidic tradition really isn't about like supernatural powers. It's about a connection with nature. You know, and it's about going and listening within nature and being truly connected. And that's why I believe that the groves and the the connection with the oak um were so powerful because they that this was like, you know, the these were these entities and these these forests when you go and listen and you connect in to that network, that's powerful, you know, and that's what I do now. Like my my practice is if I need reconnection, I go I live on uh the Oregon coast. We have these ancient Sitka spruce trees that are 30 ft around out on our land. Um and I go and connect with the trees. I'm a tree hugger. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. I think the Druids were the original tree huggers, really. >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> And it's just recognizing that this is a tree is not lumber. And unfortunately, we've gotten in this cultural idea where it's like, "Oh, yeah, forest, how much lumber is that?" You know, and we're trying to reduce it to the function that we can utilize and extract from it rather than being like tree woah you know, like what can I learn from you? >> Yeah. >> And it's I mean I think this mindset permeates all different aspects of culture and also gives license to these ideas of dominion over nature. Like how can we utilize you for our intention and our best interest? And that's created this massive scale of disconnection which you know, certainly leads into the project that you know, you've kind of really leaned into now and creating Green Seek with this regenerative AI concept which is like, all right. We have this new sheen of magic that's available. Like almost like Merlin dropped this magic over the land but we can't do it at the cost to the natural order. >> Yeah. Well, that's that's for me like Green Seek is an extension of what my experience of coming out west and participating in uh uh events that were were protecting like Big Mountain and uh helping fund like Southwest Center for Biological Diversity and you know, I I got into environmental activism very young. And that was connected to my spirituality as well. Um and so Green Seek is an extension of my entire life really. And you know, I've been involved in building tech for many, many years. I've built a lot of apps for a lot of different people. Um and a couple years ago when AI started to really emerge, I was building some apps that were integrating AI and I was looking at the the environmental impacts but also the privacy impacts of feeding all of the your personal data but also like your ideas into these uh hyper cluster like entities that were growing in very quickly. Um and so I um immediately felt the need to start working on alternatives and so we've been working on this for with all of us 2 years almost, um, on this idea that we could use open weight models and create a truly private and sovereign AI system. >> Describe what's an open weight model for people don't understand. >> well, rather than using like the large language models that are commercial, there's right now there's emerge, uh, throughout the world like many open weight models, things like Mistral, um, or, uh, MiniMax or or DeepSeek, um, and so there's, uh, many different developers have built out like free-to-use open source >> like open source and open weight are same basically >> source, but they're also, uh, models that aren't being trained by your data if you set them up on your own servers basically. And so what we've done is created like our own inference network, um, and we also are utilizing, uh, servers from companies like Crusoe who are running on geothermal in Iceland or hydro in, uh, Norway and that are directly adjacent to the, um, energy systems. So they're not like buying credits in Texas and calling themselves renewable powered, they're actually using renewable power. >> Uh-huh. >> Um, so our server systems are based within those infrastructures, um, which, you know, reduces our overall footprint, uh, environmentally, but it also, uh, we have the ability to also be a more sovereign type of technology, um, and that's really our goal with this is to give people privacy and sovereignty whether they're working on a project or whether they're asking personal questions about their life. Uh, those things shouldn't become products to be sold to marketing companies. >> Yeah, 100%. I mean, I've I've gotten quite interested in in Green Seek and I actually was so interested that I, you know, took an investment position just cuz I really believe in what you're up to and the mission behind it I think is so important because AI is this unbelievable tool that we now have access to. And we shouldn't have to use that tool with this little bit of shame, like this this guilty pleasure that we're utilizing at the cost of the environment and at the cost of our own privacy. And you came up with a solution that's as powerful as so many of the other models that we have subscriptions to, but you know, by using these open-weight open-source models that are actually routing the questions to the right, you know, to the right kind of intensity and and gravity of intelligence that you need to route it to, all the way from, you know, what you call ultra mode, which is, you know, as good as anything out there, basically, and something more simple if you're just asking for a new recipe for your clam chowder or whatever. And but then knowing that it's drawing from energy that's renewable and that this is not being sold to the overlords as a way to actually track us and, you know, weaponize our own private information against us, which unfortunately is a is a growing concern. >> Yeah. Yeah, well, the adaptive modeling system, uh it's critical to be able to use a small language model for simple requests, like using a uh hypercluster, like giant model for something like a recipe is like hitting an uh thumbtack with a sledgehammer, you know? Uh it's like you're you're not using the right tool, you know? And so, that's one way we can create like massive efficiency, um and we're talking like, you know, 50 times less power per user, um easily, by having the adaptive models system set up. And then, again, if we can be drawing that power from renewable sources, we're greatly reducing the overall uh environmental impacts. But then, the privacy impacts are a whole other piece. And so, we've built into the actual system are multiple privacy functions that are unique. Um so, we have built into the chat interface the ability to use an incognito mode where your your chats aren't stored at all. They hit the model, they come back to you. You go off the page, you come back, it's gone. It's not on our servers, either, you know. >> Mhm. >> Um it's not on stored on our server. And then we have a redaction system where you can use many different layers of redaction all the way up to HIPAA compliance. And when you ask questions, they're actually redacted at your device, all the private data, so it never goes at all into our systems. And you're able to ask medical questions. And one of the things that people have been dealing with recently is like lawsuits against lawyers, against doctors where these uh people were using, you know, commercial AI systems to ask questions about their patients or about their lawsuits. And these the state it was no longer client attorney-client privilege or HIPAA-compliant. Um we're building systems to allow people to have those kind of conversations and do the research they need to do. And what we do is we we redact at the point of entry. You can choose that mode. You don't have to use it, but you can choose it inside of our chat. The third layer is we have a dual layer encryption system where you can set up your own code to then encrypt your messages on a Of course, it's already encrypted when it's going through the pipelines to the internet, but it creates an encryption point at our servers and on your own device. So, if someone else were to open your device and want to read your chats, they would need to know your encryption code to be able to open the chats. Otherwise, they would just see a blob of letters and numbers. Um so, you know, these are the three different layers we already have in place. We're actually developing another technology right now, which is device only, which is basically that the only storage of your chats would be on your device. It would not be stored on the Greenlight servers at all, but yet they would be able to store your all of your data locally on your phone or on your computer and and have your own basically database on your your actual device as well. So, you know, those are things we're we're building in on a privacy level, but then there's also our terms of service, which is that we do not sell data to advertisers. We do not train on people's questions to the because again, we're not building these models. These models are living on sovereign servers, but we're we do not sell people's data. We also do not collaborate with surveillance state systems. And so, people can know that they're using a system that's safe, that has like an ethical boundary within it, whether it's the technology and the chat itself or it's our terms of service and our promise. >> And I mean, that's huge. And for people, I think we're in this kind of Goldilocks [snorts] period where for the most part, you know, it's we're safe enough to chat about most things. Except if you're on kind of the fringe and you're talking about your psychedelic ceremony you're going to, you're going to use signal, you know, just to be extra safe and etc. But very quickly this can turn ugly. You know, we're seeing arrests in in the UK for people who are, you know, dissenting to popular opinion. We've seen this, you know, throughout the whole COVID drama that happened where all of the sudden information became illegal and the sharing of information would get you banned and get, you know, and it's just a we're just a few steps away from a really dystopian kind of scenario where dissenting opinions to the mainstream corporatist norm is a big problem. So, getting out ahead of that, I think, is is huge. It's not just about like, all right, am I going to have advertisements tailored to me? Like that's one layer and maybe but don't want that. That's not that big a deal, but when you're actually the privacy of everything that you're talking about and everything that you're exploring, when that's exposed, I mean, that's a significant risk. So, I think that's a huge, you know, that's a huge factor for Green Seed and one of the things that was attractive, but also I mean, these data centers are a problem. You know, and I think a lot of people are waking up to the problem that these data centers are causing from water utilization to pollution. I mean, like for me to, you know, try and create like a small little video, it's basically like an entire mountain valley for the worth of water. Like just gone. You know, immediately to to watch a a cat, you know, ride a seal in the ocean or whatever the whatever the [ __ ] I want to see. So, it's like, you know, we're aware that these things are costing a lot of environmental damage and it's not just not water and the air pollution, it's also, you know, there's tons of reports of these data centers coming in and then all of the bees, you know, leaving or dying from a certain region because of the massive amount of EMF that's being put out. And like a lot of different neighborhoods are really fighting tooth and nail to try and prevent these data centers, these giant organisms from rising up and just entirely changing the landscape of where they live. >> Yeah, it is a huge problem and particularly in Virginia. Uh about 35% of the uh AI centers are in northern Virginia, specifically. And uh they're they're for cheap energy, you know, and they're working with a group called Dominion Energy, um which is a monopoly of uh power for that region, basically. And so, what you have with Dominion is a company that has a 200-year history of industrialization, um pollution, lawsuits around coal ash, river pollution, uh and there was before the AI boom a lot of this stuff was kind of phasing out. And now we have this like need for all this energy. And it's being centralized in this one region around this one power source and it really puts a lot of power in the hands of a very small group of people. Um and Dominion's got strong political leanings. Uh has been endorsed certain people. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> Uh heavily financially. Um And so uh you know uh it's a really dangerous situation going on where one power company is at the crossroads of the entire AI movement really. And what's happening is really wasteful on a lot of levels too because there's there's when it comes to AI like like low latency is really important to people, right? When they chat with an AI they want a fast response. And you know we're people have short attention span, you know, we're used to things being very quickly delivered to us. And so for inference, like for the actual like me just asking a question to the AI, you know, the latency issue is something that of course they want to deliver. And so the reason they say that we're in northern Virginia is that this is the crossroads of like all the data fiber networks of the world kind of coming into this one area. And that's why, you know, Dominion, which is an interesting name for the company, >> Uh-huh. >> um needs to be, you know, at the helm of this entire thing. But the reality is like the training of AI models is a huge amount of the actual data of the actual energy usage. Um and there's no reason you don't need low latency for that. That could be done in any region of the world. It could be done directly adjacent to renewable energy. Um but we're doing it in in with these same kind of dirty power sources. And then the other side of AI that doesn't need low latency is say like large volume batch uh processing. For example, like I say a college of medicine >> is like the is the distance between your power source and the processing >> No, latency is like your experience in the app of how quickly it can do what you want it to do, right? So, we'll wait and see. Like, the goal is that the it's extremely fast, your application, so people are just able to very quickly chat to the to the AI and have it respond really well, quickly. >> So, that's like proximity to the servers. Is that Is that what causes latency? >> Uh well, I mean, the reason that they want to have their uh data centers close to these fiber networks is to make it them as fast as possible in their responses to the people. Um but when it comes [clears throat] to something like batch processing millions of images for like, say, a medical center or a university that's doing medical research, that kind of stuff can be done as a background task. It doesn't need this kind of like latency response. And so, centralizing all of our AI in this one area, um and then you doing all of our training and our batch processing, and then using these cheap, dirty uh energy sources is uh wasteful and it's it it's basically I believe that there's some collusion going on uh between the energy companies and the AI companies and probably the government right now. >> You don't say. >> [laughter] >> You don't say. >> So, you know, again, like for what we're we're trying to achieve is to have direct proximity to renewable renewable power sources um in whatever case is possible. And then again, like, we're not out to train AI models um we're we're more of a SaaS platform that allows people to have an experience with AI, and we use the best open source models that are available for that. >> Mhm. So, the druid in you has to be like, you know, you should you have to feel the ancestors and uh and the oak spirits being like, "Come on, Amelia. Like, let's go. Like, this is an important mission." I mean, that has to be deeply satisfying to you to know that you're doing something for real that could have a significant impact. I mean, if people actually transfer over to Green Seek, you know, they can experience the really the magic of AI in its full breadth and there's also like a bunch of cool features you have in there like the built-in experts and your ability to create experts and you have a whole feature set that I've been really stoked to kind of ideate and experience on Greenseek. But also like this is a deep part of your spiritual calling. You know, I mean this is like you're doing something you're creating a product an alternative instead of like going out and writing songs against data centers which certainly has its purpose. You know, you could bring your bring your Celtic, you know, instruments out there and be like no more data centers, you know. >> Yeah. >> And like that's one thing but you're creating an alternative that's more attractive and I think that's actually the best way to fight. It's not to fight against something it's to provide an alternative that's fundamentally just more attractive. >> Yeah, I feel like my entire life has been leading to this moment of uh this creating this technology and being able to have an active role in changing the future right now with what's happening. I was on an airplane yesterday coming here and this woman was sitting with me and she said she asked me some questions about Greenseek cuz we're stuck on the uh the uh runway for like an hour waiting. And we were talking about it she said, "My daughter hates AI." And she was like, "She might actually try this." And you know, we were talking about it cuz like it's true like Gen Z, the younger generation, they don't want to see their planet destroyed by technology uh just uh consuming all the water and energy and creating this massive pollution. Um and they're very conscious this this younger people the Gen Z generation is, you know, that it's very powerful where they're coming from on a lot of different fronts right now. Um so again like I would love to see this technology be able to empower them and uh for them to feel like they can feel good about using it um and that becomes an alternative and the the only way to change these things is to create an alternative. you know, I used to think about back in the like 90s we were like protesting against GMOs and Trader Joe's popped up and like food co-ops and eventually Whole Foods and like suddenly there was like organic food everywhere and like you know, the people were not using all these chemicals to grow their food and it was all these alternatives, but it took people creating those alternatives um to to take away the power from the corporate entities that were polluting and were giving us horrible, you know, Frankenfoods and whatnot. >> Right. >> And so I think this is another time we're at that moment where it's like if there's no alternative, what do you do? People just they're just going to keep on using they want they want to be able to research things. They want to be able to like advance their ideas um and but then they're married to these platforms who are like, you know selling their data, um polluting the planet and uh working directly with militarization and like terrifying futures of, you know, robotic militarization of AI and so you know, they don't want to collaborate with that and so again, that's to me that's the goal is to give people an alternative that's something that's like a more organic food type AI. >> Yeah, I mean and and I think the the people who are abstaining entirely from AI, I mean, I understand and I fully resonate with the place that most of them are coming from and at the same time, I'm like, "Listen, if you're part of this of the rebel forces and you're standing against the destruction of our planet, the militarization of our information and the surveillance state that seems impending unless we resist it like we need you to be armed with the similar capabilities as your opponents. >> Mhm. >> And like you have to use AI. I mean, I can't it's only been a couple years now, but even imagining like life without AI it's like, "Whoa, that took so long to do basic things that are now like so much more effective and so much more efficient. I mean, it's been an incredible boon to my life. You know, I mean, it's from both my own live journaling practices where I'll just record things and have it reflect back to me and point out any, you know, cognitive behavioral uh fallacies that I might be like experiencing in my own cognition and just be able to reflect and also receive, you know, what I would normally write just in a one-way journal where I'm recording things, which is important, but now to have this live function, I mean, that's just one of a dozen use cases where it's like this is really important. And the same time, you know, it's like [ __ ] what else am I contributing to? So, I think it's important for like the daughter of that woman you met to be like, all right, like stand for what you want to stand for, but sharpen your sword, you know, like be effective and do it in a way where you can trust that you're not contributing to the darker parts of what AI can do, but it's actually strengthening you to stand stronger in the rebellion. >> Yeah, well, that daughter could use AI to fight the AI she hates. >> Exactly. >> [laughter] >> That's what I'm doing. >> Exactly. >> Yeah, no, exactly. And you know, there's a lot of straw man arguments in the AI situation right now. Like there's this idea of like super intelligence that the AI is going to like turn against us and try to kill us, you know, like Terminator style. And um there's also people mad about poetry or people mad about people using it for creative things that are kind of half-assed and sloppy, you know, as they call it, AI slop. Um but we're we're missing the point. What especially like what we're trying to build is something that's a really powerful research tool for good ideas, you know, and I think that that's like the key to AI's future is its capabilities to make our lives better, to improve our planet, make make it so we could actually work less and play more and enjoy our lives more. Um and in in that way I do agree with some of even the the you know conversations around universal income or universal high income that like if we have systems in place that are helping reduce work then we we should work less and enjoy our lives more and people should be have better food and we should be have more you know healthy environment. That's the goal with it and if it's not serving those things like intelligence that does not serve life is suicidal. You know, it's basically going to cause more and more harm to to ourselves, to our children, to our planet. And so that's you know to us our that's our motto is intelligence that serves life life um and that's like to me when we focus around things like fear of Terminator or we focus around AI slop as the whole conversation versus like what if we were to take this AI and study soil on a scale that we could understand like how we could improve our food systems or if we take the AI and we do research on how our energy distribution is not really set up right in cities and we've got you know huge wastefulness going on with the way we've set up our energy infrastructure. There's so many different places where we could be using this to actually improve the situation um and that's our goal with Green Seek and that's why we call it Green Seek is so you know we're seeking a greener way. And so the again I think it's important to separate the hyperbole around fear fearful fear mongering. I I actually think there's really things to worry about with AI. >> Like what? >> Like pollution, like selling our data to to behind our backs, like creating surveillance state systems that are like sort of like you know Minority Report you know and things that are going on like that. I don't really think that like people create creating bad art is the big problem you know or creating uh you know um bad poetry for that matter. >> [laughter] >> It's pretty bad poetry. I can't tell very good jokes either, you know. >> Um and so, you know, I I don't think that those are the the things we should be >> god also, cuz like otherwise, if it was [laughter] actually able to make music, art, poetry, jokes as good as we could, we'd feel really bummed. >> Yeah, like well, like there's no no need for us to >> I'm glad that it has a limit on what it could do, and I'm sure it'll get better, and but then we'll get better. It becomes this kind of Red Queen effect where it's like, all right. Well, that's you know, challenge accepted. Now, let me write better than you can write. And let me, you know, let me create poetry better than you can create poetry. Let me make music better than you can make music. >> Mhm. >> You know, and I and I think there will be this big pushback to the analog beauty. I mean, the Odyssey was just done without any kind of visual effects or AI effects at all. Even the even the Cyclops was a giant [ __ ] puppet. The robotics. >> Love that. >> And it's like it's cool, and all the instrumentation was like old bronze age instruments that they actually put together. And the movie's [ __ ] incredible. You know, and I think there's something that comes from, oh [ __ ] like all right, this is really this has the human touch, and I think we'll start to really appreciate that more and [snorts] more. And so, I think that's only a good thing. >> I agree. I'm It's funny that Gen Z kids are using flip phones. You know, they're rejecting like the newest iPhone or Samsung or whatever is going on. They're They're not really interested in this whole like being It's like drawn so far into the digital and out of the analog, you know? And when I was in college, like we got the first computer editors. I I went to Emerson College mass communication studies, but I also studied sound editing and engineering there. And when the first computer came in, we were using 2-in tape to record everything at that point. And a computer came in, and people were like, this is this digitalization, you know, the the staircase of sound. And back then it was it was was Like the difference between like a digital file and a 2-in tape sound, you know? >> Right. >> Um now it's become so like so incredibly uh the data's the data curve is like so so incredibly detailed that it almost sounds the same, you know? Um but uh people were you know at at each phase seems like in history people reject the next thing that's coming in. And and it then it improves and iterates and people finally accept it, you know? >> Right. I mean there was protests against the bicycle when it came out, you know? There was a whole book of like all of the things that were protested through. Like >> Exactly. >> Bicycle's going to ruin our walking paths, you know? >> [laughter] >> Like [ __ ] people protesting against it. >> No, it's so true. And and you know, one of the things when I >> just riding like, "See ya. Have fun." >> Listen, interesting about the words uh artificial intelligence and I've been kind of iterating on this for a while now. So the word artificial, right? Comes from uh artificialis, right? Which means to be finally crafted by the hands of man. Um and then uh intelligence comes from intelligere, which means to be able to discern or to be able to make good decisions. So artificial intelligence means to be finally crafted at making good decisions, right? The actual words. But we think of artificial as like Lucky Charms food poisoning, you know? Like our food additives that are like, you know, toxic and fake things, you know? So in a weird way it's like the name is perfect if you actually go back to the Latin phonetics of it. Um but yet it's got a on it an almost like a you know, a negative connotation just in the actual phrase of the words itself, right? And what we're really talking about is like six or seven different types of machine learning when we call it artificial intelligence. We bundle it all together. But you've got completely different technologies that are involved in it. And so you have machine learning, you have like computer like imagery that built image recognition abilities, statistic modeling, all these different versions of uh machine learning that we're using and under the umbrella of artificial intelligence. And then a lot of them have nothing to do with what people are negative about. A lot of them are about research and being able to like for example uh we're proposing a project where we would be able to put cameras say at like the aquarium in Oregon and be able to film and also have sound recording for long periods of time. And then take that data and better understand what how animals are communicating with one another in those systems. And there's the potential There are people actually already researching this of being able to translate animal language um using AI on like a a level we could never do just by observing. Um so you know with machine learning and with deep research modeling, these two types of things could be like amazing tools for us and yet we bundle them all under artificial intelligence fake this fake kind of like label that we put on top of everything that has this negative connotation. So I think you know over time we may evolve away from that language around what we're talking about cuz it's not necessarily the best label. They called the car the horseless carriage for like 40 years. >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. >> And then people eventually started to saying automobile or cars or whatever they did, you know? So like it'll be interesting to see how that like evolves over time. Like >> Yeah, I mean I have to say I do prefer the method of talking to dolphins that John Lilly did which is handjobs and LSD. Oh, I thought that was the preferred way. >> [laughter] >> That's a crazy story that he that he got into. >> [clears throat] >> that one completely but >> [laughter] >> Handjobs and LSD was his method for trying to communicate with dolphins. But yeah, I mean it's it's incredibly exciting and I've been out to Turks and Caicos with my friend Kit and he has a relationship with the wild dolphins there and they're already in this kind of pre-formation of communication. He's been able to mimic sounds and they play games and I mean it's rad. I mean what a what a dream to be able to like communicate on some basic level with animals and I think AI brings that possibility far more to the forefront. I mean I appreciate Lilly for his efforts and you know, potentially it crossed some sexual boundaries with the dolphins. I don't know what their consent level was but >> are pretty wild creatures anyway. >> [laughter] >> For sure. For sure. So I'm not going to make any suppositions. But but yeah, I mean it's it's this is a new frontier and I think it's it's important for us to be able to understand what it can do and then also what the cost is and then to have a solution that offers, you know, something that allows us to have the full the full weaponization of like what we can do for our own lives and for the world and at the same time mitigate the cost. It's huge and you know, even seeing like some of the features that you were able to build in cuz you're Emilio, the [ __ ] druid and you're doing cool [ __ ] Like one of the experts that you have is this whole Oracle program that's working on Pythagorean numerology and giving you card pulls and like it brought me through this whole world that was like really impactful. >> Mhm. >> You know, to go through that. So so to I mean talk about that a little bit because that's another it's not only the druidic background but also like Pythagoras and numbers and some of the other esoterica that's been kind of a part of your life. >> Well, that was a really surreal experience with you. >> Yeah. >> Because we've been working on this idea of the Oracle Delphi which was building on the Pythagorean theories around number as a core, geometry, music, color and cosmos as like the five realms basically. Um there's actually more if you go deeper into the Pythagorean theories but those are the ones we're focusing on and how the the parallels between them exist in those different spheres of of music and geometry and whatnot. And uh and you tested it out and you pulled a card number six, right? >> Mhm. >> And then you picked up a from your table the card six and showed it to me. >> Yeah, totally. >> said, "How did you do that?" Now, that's something interesting to me because there's a lot of potential for synchronicity and for uh things happening with computers I think that we aren't even like well it's hard to like there's there's a potential for things to happen and we can call them coincidences, but for you know, people are concerned about this idea of like superintelligence, right? And you know, if you truly believe that the universe is superintelligent, then AI is also. >> Yeah, it's like it's a kind of this weird idea that we can create something that's outside of God. >> Yeah. >> If God is everything except for the thing that we create, it's like, what do you mean? >> Well, in that way like something like that sacred and magical can happen with technology at times, too. >> And we've actually seen this with the random number generators that are constantly running and then there's world cohesion either around a positive event like New Year's Eve or around a negative event like 9/11 and the random number generators, they shift from randomness into like orders of statistical probability into more coherence and not random anymore. And there's been numerous documented cases of this happening and repeatedly happening. So, these random number generators are pure machine intelligence and still they're being affected by collective conscious and unconscious coherence. >> Mhm. Yeah. Well, and there's like coming to this interview, like last night I spent hours um using Green Seek learning more and more and more about Pythagorean theories. Cuz I knew we were going to talk about it today. I was like, I want to really get into this further. And so, and one of the things I got into last night was this um square of the sun. It came up and because I was recently at an event where somebody who I normally respect was using the 666 and the devil over and over in their talk. Um which are these are very polarizing things, you know? And uh And you know, the number 666 is in Revelations and it's also you know, we talked about this earlier, Solomon was supposedly paid 666 talents, which is an excessive amount of money at the time as it caused him to go worship the wrong gods or something, you know? Um but preceding that, you have these ancient uh act people believe they emerged from China, potentially the six uh the six the square of the sun was Persian, um but you have this this uh square and it's got six columns and six rows and the numbers 1 through 36 are aligned in it. And each row, when it's set when it's set correctly adds up to 111. And the entire square adds up to 666. And so um with the AI, I was actually able to go explore this in ways that like I couldn't even really find the information that necessary on normal searches, you know? Uh and got deeper and deeper into to looking at and I kept asking like, where does this number 666 show up before the Bible, you know? And so, this is where this the square of the sun came into it and this was like a a talisman that they would put at these temples and in places where they were doing the rituals and there was different ones. There was there was a square of there was the square of like nine or of Saturn, which was of nine. There's there's basically different patterns and the sun was associated with specifically six. >> Uh-huh. >> Um so, I'm digging into this square of the sun thing and then Green 6 just brings up, it's also interesting that carbon is made from six protons, six electrons, and six neutrons. Well, so that the the molecule life And which is also hexagonal like the the beehive, right? And how it connects with with itself to form the equivalent bonds that is how we are our life force is stored in these carbon bodies is also got a 666 tied into it. So, it's like And that was only discovered in 1858, I believe, you know. Um or actually was theorized in 1858 and the first photograph of the actual bond was taken in 2004. And so, you know, at the core of our own bodies is this 666 thing, too. So, it's like again with AI, you can research something that like that's so complic- complicated as like people's spiritual beliefs around this fear of the beast and how 666 is going to be this like terrible thing um versus like what was the actual source of what why were people associating the magi's magical square? And actually like a lot of people say that the 666 is actually the name of the Nero. Um but the actual numerology of Emperor Nero who was at the time um was oppressing uh the Christians. And so, but his name actually uh adds up to 616. So, there just seems like there was somebody in the middle of it all that was definitely trying to point to the square of the sun, the 666s that existed out there. >> Well, I think we should be highly suspect of these things we're taught to fear. >> Yeah. >> And you know, even the number 13. >> Yeah. >> You know, what is the number 13? It's the cycles of the moon. What are the cycles of the moon associated with? The goddess. What did all of these patriarchal religions try to do? Remove us from our connection to the goddess. So, what do you want to do? Well, let's make even the number 13 >> Yeah. >> forbidden and unlucky. And even to this day, it's pervasive. Like there's not a 13th row in a [ __ ] airplane or a 13th floor in a in a hotel. >> I was on the Ferris wheel the other night day with my wife and they had scraped the number one off the 13 [laughter] on so it was just went from, you know, uh 11 to 14 and three between the two, you know, >> [laughter] >> on the Ferris wheel. So, yeah. >> It's it's absurd and like you start to look into it and 13 is an incredibly sacred number and it's [clears throat] like super important because it actually reorients us. Again, going back to the Druidic beliefs, like it reorients us to the natural cycles, the lunar cycles. >> Yep. >> And there's 13 of them every year. And [snorts] like this is important for us to reconnect to it, not the kind of Romanized Julian calendar, which is Okay, so October is the is the 10th month, but oct is eight and it's like everything is designed to confuse us and disorient us from the roots because I think from roots we're strong. And like we have something to stand stand on and like actually connect us, but we can be more far more easily manipulated if we don't have the grounding cords connecting us back to the natural intelligence of life itself. >> Yeah. No, it's true. I mean and even that 666 is associated with the beast. You know, and it's it's like the animal, the the uh idea of like a beast and then the lamb is the good character and the beast is the bad one, but a lamb is a beast, you know. >> [laughter] >> It is an animal, you know. So, it's like, you know, again this this paradox of the language and these like systems. I I think that this is one of the interesting things that came up during this last night was the name of the company, Dominion Energy. Like I was I looked up the word dominion and it is historical use use of the word dominion, right? And that goes back also to the same origins where this idea of man would have dominion over the beasts and the animals and man would have dominion over nature. And the word dominion was also used to uh come to North America and they believe they had dominion over this land and actually in chattel slavery they also had dominion over people. This word dominion was constantly coming up. Um so it's interesting that now like in this moment when this AI centralization is happening in North of Virginia, it's causing this massive pollution. We have this energy company that's called Dominion. >> Yeah. >> And so it's like we kind of need to look at that word and it like it's it's really curious to me and again was Green Seek was like responding to me and kept on feeding this narrative for me to look deeper and deeper into it where I had this thread that went on for hours and I was like, "Oh my god, this is really crazy stuff." It's like, "Is this a coincidence or is this just part of the like a story that we're living, you know?" >> Right. Yeah, I mean it it used to be able to cross-reference, you know, these different bodies of knowledge. So like Rudolf Steiner's knowledge with Manly P. Hall's Secret Teachings of the Ages plus Pythagorean number theory plus all of these other elements, it would take a master, you know, or a lifetime of studying the books of masters to become a master yourself to actually be able to utilize all the cross-referencing of all these bodies of knowledge, but now we can just do it with prompting the right question, you know, and leading it down the right path with, of course, the appropriate kind of discernment about what it puts out because it's not that AI doesn't have biases, it does. It's not that it can't, you know, do things in familiar patterns which are annoying, it will. So we still have to maintain our discernment, but nonetheless, we have access to more knowledge than we've ever had, you know, and instead of asking a question to a Google search and then it brings up a couple articles that maybe you can get close to an answer, it can synthesize everything and give you like a proper response. I mean, what a blessing. >> It's so powerful. I you know, I was when I was younger, I guess I'm getting older these days. Um I I had done a lot of research Fraser's The Golden Bough and also Robert Graves The White Goddess and you know Occidental Mythology by Joseph Campbell and then you know Secret Teachings of All Ages Manly P. Hall and I was trying to synthesize my own version of like how are all these things connected these different gods and mythologies and like the history of the world and and you know uh these fire festivals that are outlined in Fraser's book. It was interesting last night I was I was doing a lot of like cross-referencing and the AI was highly critical of some things that I actually hadn't thought about. Um and looked at the way that even like Fraser as an anthropologist had a really kind of like almost like strangely derogatory and kind of racist attitude towards like indigenous people in the way he wrote about things um or Robert Graves selling off things as facts that were his own mythopoetic ideas, you know. Um and so it was interesting to like have now a tool to like look back at books that I've read and theories that I've I've thought about and have them to be like looked at through a discerning lens of a technology that's able to actually look at the whole picture and give me feedback that was critical I had to rethink my own thinking because I realized that I was like wow I believed completely in this book and this idea and a lot of it was spurious and like questionable, you know. And so I also think that's important as a tool is like it's it is it is a reflective tool on our own thoughts to be able to be more critical and to to not believe blindly in things, you know. And I I like the fact that it often looks at both perspectives. >> Yeah. >> And not just mine. It doesn't just I don't like when AI is uh you know when it it's just like >> your ass. >> I [laughter] like it to to challenge me, you know. And so that's that was one of the cool things for sure. That's right, man. >> Yeah, it's uh I think we're all starting to understand how to work with it. And I think it is what could be dangerous is if we give up our own faculties of discernment. Where it it just says something and we say, "Oh, okay." That's it. Because it's still reflecting kind of the the cultural information that's presented in the zeitgeist, you know? So the whole culture can be wrong about a variety of different things. Like the whole culture believed that, you know, radical mastectomies were the best way to treat breast cancer. They weren't. You know, and it took like some really sharp and courageous doctors to be like, "No, I don't think this is right." But if AI existed at that time, it would have, you know, been like, "Well, this is the approved science and this is what everybody's doing, so this is what it's going to reflect." So, it's about like getting the best information, but still not being afraid to go like, "No, actually I disagree." But then you can hone your disagreement. And then I you know, one thing I've appreciated about my interactions is you can make headway, you know? If you bring up a good point and you challenge it and your point is sound, it'll say, "Good point." >> Yeah. >> You know, and it'll it'll assess and respond. And it does so without the ego that a normal person would have, where they get their feelings hurt. >> Yeah, he was one of the guys. >> So, it's like it doesn't have feelings to get hurt. >> Mhm. I think that's one of the dangers of like corporate control of AI is, you know, that if we only have these like government-sanctioned corporate AIs, you know, the information is going to be more and more controlled and you won't get that honest assessment or the two sides of things. You'll just get the uh the propaganda version of it, you know? And um like for instance, last night I was, you know, I like I mentioned earlier, I went to Emerson College and studied mass communications and one of my teachers was a student of Marshall McLuhan and you know, the this concepts of the global village theory that uh McLuhan was putting out way back before we had the internet, you know, he's it was about for him it was TV and radio and this idea that like eventually this technology would connect us all and we would stop having wars and we would stop being, you know, ignorant towards other people's beliefs and you know, it was going to be this like grand, you know, technology solution to what's going on in the world after World War II. Um and you know, uh with the internet we thought the doorway was open, right? For this global village and then again these entities came in and they controlled the social networks, they controlled our elections, they pumped us with propaganda, disinformation, they extracted our data. Um and so here we are with AI, there's like another kind of chance at this global village idea, right? Where it's like we could fully understand things we couldn't understand before, we could communicate across language barriers, the technology is becoming like more and more capable of learning about other cultures, you know, in ways that aren't a Google search. Like you said, like, you know, you do a Google search and you read somebody's Reddit opinion. That's about what you get out of it, right? One guy's opinion. Um and so I think we have this chance again with this global village idea for this to happen. And last night again, the AI was challenging me around Marshall McLuhan and questioning some of his beliefs, you know. Um and not to just blindly go on, you know, there was some things that were pretty ignorant in in the beliefs as well. And so I do like the like the critical nature of it, you know, and I think that's super important and that's why again, if if we can be a source of like a truly open and like honest system that's not being controlled by third parties for spurious reasons. Um that's what we want to do, you know. >> Yeah, I mean that's that's essential because right now I feel like in some ways in some ways this global village concept which had this great potential. I mean, we see little glimpses of it potentially, you know, like World Cup, everybody's coming to the US and like having a good time and we're all having a good time and it's like, "Oh [ __ ] we're all getting along." And then, you know, here in Austin, there's even in a neighborhood, there could be people who feel wildly separate from each other, you know, based on your political persuasion or based on these ideas and they've been kind of the polarity's been exacerbated to such a degree that there's not even any national unity, you know, let alone global unity. >> Yeah. >> And it's it's a very strange time, but I'm also hopeful that, you know, this will AI will play a part in helping people to think because I think our way of knowing, our general epistemology, how do we know what we know, is terrible. You know, like we've really lost this kind of ability to think critically and think unemotionally about things. And so, hopefully, as we entrain our thinking by something that's thinking in a better way, our thinking will improve, you know, and I think there is some cognitive impairment concerns that are real, like if you have AI constantly writing everything that you need to write, maybe you forget how to write. Just like nobody knows how to do long division anymore because a calculator came and replaced it. And math is different than writing, of course, cuz math there's one right answer, so there's really no purpose to long division other than training the mind, but so there may be cognitive diminishment and at the same time there's cognitive entrainment where it's like, "Oh, this is how a structured argument actually works." You know, and so I I'm more hopeful than I am pessimistic about it once we get past those major issues which Green Seek is you know, avoiding. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean that for me like I have carpal tunnel syndrome. And so uh I've been using Open Whisper which is like a local open-source AI for my computer where I can actually just hold down a key and talk to my computer. So I don't have to type and use the mouse all the time. >> Mhm. >> It's been a huge change in my life and I think about people that have like disabilities and all the different possibilities of how AI could help somebody to communicate to you know, different different ways it can help their lives cuz I I consider it a bit of a disability in that I feel pain when I use the mouse and try to type. It's very difficult to but that's carpal tunnel, you know, so again like it can solve so many problems, but it's creating a lot of problems right now and it's totally understandable why young people are just like, "Oh my god, [ __ ] this thing." >> [laughter] >> But like I don't want to be part of it. I don't want to be you know, participate in something that's going to destroy our oceans or destroy our rivers or contribute to this pollution, you know. Um but it could also be part of solving that and I I do think like this uh the history of the last couple hundred years of like uh what I think is a lot of like what's causing conflict in the planet is like global energy dominance, you know, really. Again, this is like at the core of what's going on with AI at the same time because like we're heading to a point where we were like ready to not It's kind of like disengage from energy sources that were negative towards our environment. Um and now it's like, "Oh no, we we need more of that and cuz we're going to need so many data centers." And and why are we going to need those? Like we've already hit the point of like so many people using AI. What are we going to do with AI that we're going to need this massive more amount of AI, right? It's some I I mean, you know, Elon Musk's talking about having a hundred million robots built in the next two years, you know. So we're going to need a lot of AI for that, right? To have robots folding your laundry. >> [laughter] >> But I'm not sure people want robots folding their laundry, you know? I was thinking earlier I mentioned this like Roomba. That company's out of business, iRobot, you know? And like the Roomba was not only terrible at vacuuming, it was annoying, you know? >> [laughter] >> And nobody wanted it running around their house, and eventually and you you still had to sweep up after the Roomba, you know, once it once it was off. >> Although the the YouTube videos of cats interacting with Roombas is quite entertaining. >> good. >> [laughter] >> But I think that um I don't I think that's a miscalculation that everyone wants like a huge amount of robotics in their life, you know? We we our lives like we can make our own pancakes and fold our laundry, and I don't think we need to like create data centers for for to create robots to do those things for us. Now, if like if we're successful in like in reducing the amount of work needed, then we'll have more time to fold our laundry and make our pancakes, you know? And and we don't need to necessarily like pollute all the rivers and suck all the energy out of the earth to do it, you know? >> Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of I mean, I've always just assumed like, "Oh, yeah, when there's robots, I'm going to get one." But like what the [ __ ] am I going to use it for? You know, like uh it would be nice to have a robot to shag balls for me when I'm shooting [laughter] on basketball court. Like that's helpful, you know? Like cuz it's helpful to have a person who's out there willing to do it. If I can I used to be able to co-opt my sister with some proper incentivization to go just like rebound balls and and pass them to me. But uh ultimately like there's not a lot of uses Yeah, for robots that I could think of outside of, you know, I can imagine industrial uses that it's super important if you're trying to repeat the same task over and over again. That's kind of a waste of human intelligence to do that. Although it gives somebody something to do. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, you look at China, they have the now these dark factories making cars. Um because the entire factory is of robots. And they don't actually need light in the in the factory, as you know. So, they're like basically the parts are going in, cars are going out, you know, the robotics. You know, I don't know that we need humans to or like sweatshop labor to be doing these things anymore like in in these other countries. So, that's a good if we can like end slave sweatshop and like uh other kind of slave labor around the world and instead have robotics helping with that, that's great. But like this idea of like novel human use of like everything turning into AI robots, already I think people are pretty turned off by like the smart home devices like their fridges and their everything being like tur- you know, becoming more and more digitally complicated. It's not necessarily like a huge improvement in your life to do these things. And so, I think we have to look at the tradeoffs of with AI, too. And and I would rather have a less profitable company with Green Seek and have people using AI where it's useful and not for like trite things that are wasteful, you know? And so, I think that that's something unfortunately that the the commercial AI comp- AI companies want to engage and get people more and more locked to their screens. And that's why you have these, like you said, kiss-ass AIs, you know? It's like, oh, it they just want to keep you engaged, keep you going. I don't think that I think that that's not a good way to to operate, you know, for the future of the planet is to get people to be hy- hyper-consumptive, you know? >> Yeah, totally. I mean, it's also pretty clear where your heart's at in this mission. I mean, there's a good portion of the profits from Green Seek that are going to regenerative causes as well. You know, it's pretty clear that this this kind of druidic lineage, this life purpose is actually soaked through into this company, which is, you know, one of the reasons that attracted me to it in the first place. That and you know, all of the other cool features that you're able to like kind of build on the fly where it's like, could we do this? And you're like, hell yeah, here's this whole automated CRM marketing module that I just spun up real quick. And I'm like, holy [ __ ] that's what I've always wanted for my businesses. >> Yeah. >> You know, so there's going to be like a ton of cool things coming through Green Seek once it gets fully up to speed. And it's actually in like it's in a good spot right now, right? >> Yeah, they um we already have betas out there with hundreds of people using them uh the uh web version iOS and Android. What's interesting with AI is actually most people use desktop for their AI. 75% of the usage is on the web on your computer cuz you need more screen to do a lot of things you want to do, right? >> Totally. >> And one of the things with Green Seek, you know, there are a few other green AI companies out there, but it seems to be very simplistic, just like a chat or maybe an image generator go with it. We're really working on creating a professional workflows with it. Um so if you go into our system, we have like uh uh agent generation capabilities in there for creativity, for research, for um being able to create automated tasks, and it's super user-friendly and easy to use the system to do those things. You know, and people are doing those things inside their terminal on their computer, let's say like Hermes, you know, they're able to create agents and do certain tasks, but a lot of people don't really know how to use terminal or like engage in that way. >> I co-work is like still at the bleeding edge of my capacity, and I feel like I'm pretty savvy, and it's still like, "What?" And like, "Where are you going to send this information?" Like I got to keep asking it how to work, and I've appreciated how intuitive, you know, the kind of structures that you're building in are. >> Yeah, that's what our goal is to really make like a professional workflow flow system that like a real like say a company say like Patagonia, who's very environmentally focused, super progressive in how they're dealing with uh their products and and the the impacts of their products. We want to be able to give those kind of companies tools that are real like not just a simple chat, because so many companies are using AI to develop out their next ideas, you know? And again, if you're making your next idea with your company, you want to have that be private. You don't want to have data being sold over to to Google Cloud and everywhere else, you know. So, you know, that's our goal is to make real professional workflows that are also renewable energy powered, uh highly efficient, and data sovereign. >> Uh-huh. Yeah, and one of the fun things that I've done with AI is I prompted to be uh Harry Seldon from the show Foundation. This is Isaac Asimov series. It was Apple TV brought it to a show. It's great show. And Harry Seldon has this thing he calls psychohistory where he predicts the future based on the past. So, if I want to know what's, you know, what's going on with the Iran war, for example, I'll be like, all right, you're Harry Seldon. You know, give me the psychohistory. What are the probabilities of this happening? And it kind of unlocks the freedom of it to just think and offer conjectures without the qualifying statements like, well, nobody knows, blah blah blah. I was like, no, you're [ __ ] Harry Seldon. You're going to give me probabilities. And it'll be like, okay, sweet. And then it'll like adopt that role and then really operate highly effectively as as that avatar. And I think building in that experts feature into Green Seed where you could just create your own Harry Seldon expert and it's just loaded there and the whole history of it rather than having to re-prompt back to a normal chat. It's like, all right, we're talking to Harry Seldon here. And it's it's so many things are available just open to your creativity. You know, and be like, you're a you know, I want to talk to a druid. And it can load in automatically all the druidic knowledge that's available. And say like, all right, what do the druids think about the data centers? You know, and it'll give you that kind of opinion. And that's how [ __ ] cool. >> Yeah, I actually with my interest in the secret teachings of all ages, like loaded it up and have my own search and like ability to like look into that in deep ways that having the book you can't really do, you know? And so like, I think um there's just a lot of capabilities to to look deeper into things with it. One of the things you just brought up was the Iran war, too, which um you know, AI hallucinates. Even the best. And actually, the larger these models get, there's a lot of like huge models have these big hallucination problems, you know? Um I think that's really dangerous when it comes to weapons of war. >> Yeah. >> You know, and what we saw with the school in Iran um and how we're using certain companies that are being used to to targeting with with weapon systems over there. Seems extremely dangerous to me when we know that these things it it says at the bottom of every AI AI can make mistakes, check your work, you know? You can't check your work when it's a missile. >> Yeah. >> You know, so I do think that that is, you know taking a stand against militarization with our systems, too, and and data surveillance and those kind of things is really important to me, too. >> [ __ ] RoboCops. I mean, they're already super close to like RoboCop dogs. >> Yeah. >> Like we don't want Robo Cops with guns. >> Yeah, or nuclear weapons with their own minds, you know? >> For sure. >> [laughter] >> That is a bad That is a bad plan. >> Yeah, I know, exactly. So, and and no matter how much it ever improves, it is always that possibility of the hallucination, you know? So, I do think that that's a a line we kind of we're drawing at least in our in our own terms of service, you know? >> Yeah, totally. Well, this is, you know, this is an exciting frontier, and I'm grateful there's, you know, people like yourself who are really doing something about it, cuz it's one thing to you know, it's maybe helpful to make an Instagram video about how annoyed you are with your data center, but is that really being effective? Like what's going to really be effective? Well, you're not using the product the data center is economically supporting. Like you want the data centers to go away? Don't use the [ __ ] data that the data centers are providing. Yeah. You know, like you want McDonald's to change its food to all organic? Stop buying the non-organic McDonald's food, and it'll [ __ ] change. You know, like it'll survive and adapt based upon how we're voting with our dollars. And so one of the most important things we can do is just consciously vote with our dollars. >> Exactly. >> You know, so like whether you're investing in stocks or even all of these consumer products, like pay attention to what you're what you're tacitly supporting. >> Exactly. Well, and you know, like with other projects like Green Seek, it's like of course we'd all like to get you know, set for life from building a company. But I think also one of the things that like say the organic food movement did is like Walmart's got all the organic food now, right? >> Exactly. >> You know, so like if you if you if you create a if you create an alternative, you're going to force those other companies to have to live up to those values, too. And we can help so regardless of how huge we become the idea that there could be a renewable part AI, that there could be a AI that was totally sovereign and data private and respecting people, uh people's, you know, their their IP or their personal questions, um the more we can drive that narrative and be a successful company, but also drive the other companies towards the that change, that I think that's critical, too, you know. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Well, this is uh this has been fun, man. I'm thanks for coming out here to Austin and thanks for creating Green Seek and I'm excited to dive deeper on the on the weird stuff and and get into Green Seek and ask my questions and also have you help me direct some questions into those rabbit holes that that I know you've spent a lifetime exploring. >> Great. Great. Thanks so much for having me. >> Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, everybody. Oh, where can people go again for Green Seek? >> Uh greenseek.ai. >> And I may even have a code. I'll let you know if I have that. It's not set up, but we'll figure some [ __ ] out. >> We can make it Aubrey. >> All right, [ __ ] code Aubrey. [laughter] It's created. It's done. >> Okay, perfect. >> Beautiful. All right, thanks. Thanks, everybody. Thanks for tuning into this video. Make sure you hit subscribe. Follow me at Aubrey Marcus, check out the Aubrey Marcus Podcast available everywhere, and leave a comment. 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