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Michael Malice argues that American universities have become the primary villains of our time, serving as engines for creating a new elite class rather than fostering genuine meritocracy. He contends that since the 1930s and accelerating after World War II with the GI Bill, higher education has functioned to groom the next generation of leaders through a credentialist approach that strictly separates society into two distinct classes: those who attended college and those who did not. This bifurcation is more significant than race or gender in defining social status today. Malice asserts that universities are heavily influenced by Marxist ideology, which he describes as violently egalitarian; its goal is to tear down existing hierarchies rather than build new ones, effectively teaching students that they are destined to rule while dismissing the knowledge and feelings of non-college graduates. The core mechanism of this societal fracture involves indoctrinating young people with a toxic sense of elitism that erodes humility and respect for others outside their bubble. Malice illustrates how college-educated individuals often return home unable to communicate with family members, viewing them as inferior simply because they lack degrees. He contrasts the older generation's earnest concern for social justice—characterized by volunteering in soup kitchens—with modern leftism, which he views as a tool for revolution and domination rather than genuine care. This shift has created an environment where corporate journalists are malevolent and dishonest, driven by this ideological framework that prioritizes control over truth or empathy. Malice suggests that the most effective way to counteract this elite consolidation is to turn these powerful groups against each other, specifically targeting the coalition between affluent white liberals and African Americans. He proposes a provocative strategy of seizing university endowments and distributing them as reparations exclusively to descendants of American slaves, thereby creating an organic conflict between entitled white college students and Black communities who would receive the funds. This tactic aims to disrupt the historical accident that has united these two groups in political coalitions by highlighting their fundamental differences: one group is seen as condescendingly patronizing while the other feels historically wronged. Malice acknowledges this approach might seem hypocritical for an anarchist but dismisses it, stating he does not care about consistency if a method solves a problem effectively. The discussion also touches on the loss of narrative control in society and the chaotic nature of modern events like the assassination attempt on Charlie Kirk or the death of William McKinley by Leon Czolgosz. Malice notes that unlike past assassinations where conspiracies were plausible, today's chaos makes it difficult to pin responsibility because no single group is universally hated enough to be blamed for everything; even figures like Charlie Kirk are not public enemy number one across all spectrums. He references James Burnham's *The Machiavellians* and the concept of elite circulation to explain how power structures maintain themselves, noting that once the Overton window shifts so far left that concepts like gender-segregated toys become illegal or children receive unnecessary shots for a virus they can't contract, society has lost its ability to reason collectively. Ultimately, Malice expresses cautious hope in Donald Trump's willingness to confront universities directly and believes there is space for young people to succeed without traditional credentials if the indoctrination stops. However, he warns that the momentum of Marxist-influenced leftism is immense because it teaches future leaders they are destined to rule, creating a generation with no sense of humility toward those outside their elite status. He concludes by emphasizing that while the current social landscape feels like North Korea for anyone who doesn't fit the new norms, there remains an opportunity to dismantle these structures before the indoctrinated majority completely solidifies into a permanent ruling class that views everyone else as ballast or obstacles to be removed.
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One of the reasons I am hopeful is that
Trump is going head-on with the
universities who are really the the
great villains of our time. Um and I
think the fact that to your point, and
this is something I know you are
extremely passionate about, there is so
much more space for young people to make
something of themselves without going to
university or having that credentialist
approach,
um that I think is what would save
America. Because once you take care of
them, whether it's
figuratively or, you know, lamp-posty,
um I I think a lot of the other issues
would be resolved. I think we need to
indoctrinate young people. I just think
the things we're choosing to
indoctrinate them with are horrible.
>> Okay.
Does that I don't know about we, but
they are indoctrinating them with things
that are horrible. I'm not
indoctrinating them with horrible
things.
>> Sure. Okay.
Yeah, I think that's fair what you just
said, yeah. Okay.
What
>> not just the indoctrination that's the
problem, it's that it's it's both It's
not the message is bad, it's that they
are important and powerful. So, if
someone who's important and powerful
puts out a bad message, you have to pay
attention to it to some extent. Walk me
through why they're the villain of our
time and how, cuz I think it would be
counterintuitive for most people to
think of universities as powerful.
>> Really? Yeah.
>> Wait, it's counterintuitive? Uh yes,
until I heard you talk about it. I was
like, oh yeah, I that really is true,
but it didn't hit me immediately as
like, oh yeah, that is true.
Wait, wait, I I I I I I I I I
So, the point of our universities is and
has been to create the next generation
of elites, right? And if you read um
James Burnham's superb book The
Machiavellians where he looks at Pareto
and Engels and and uh Robert Michels and
and not Engels, sorry, it's uh Pareto,
Mosca,
um um Sorel and Michels. He talks about
one of the things is the circulation of
elites. And Emma Goldman had these great
essays about majorities, minorities, and
the point she makes, and I know you
touched on earlier, is the majority
cannot reason. The majority in any
society is ballast, and I know people
might roll their eyes at this, but
again, George Carlin's line, think of
the average person, half the people are
dumber than that. Uh how many people
have an original thought ever in their
life? Doesn't mean they're bad people,
it's just they're just they're for the
ride, right?
So, the elites are kind of the ones that
we all need leaders. That's not even,
you know, a question to some extent,
depending on what context. So, if you
are the one who is I mean is in very
word very advisedly grooming the next
generation of leaders, and you know,
post World War II and the GI Bill, you
know, this was the great middle American
dream. It's that, you know, my kid is
the first one in our family to go to
college, and you know, this this status,
this means something. Like it's a very
clear credential that shows that you are
on the ascension, you know, economically
and socially and all these other
regards. So, it's become This is I think
the biggest bifurcation in American
society, at least it was the last time I
checked, literally last time I checked.
It's not gender, it's not race, it is
did you go to college or did you not go
to college? Maybe that's decreased since
the last time I checked. But, if you
have What happens is you have these, you
know, healthy, beautiful, young high
school kids going to school, and then
they return at Thanksgiving dinner like
a swamp walrus, unable to talk to mom
and dad. And that is strictly and
entirely the result of the universities,
who have been, I mean, since the '30s,
heavily, literally Marxist. Um and
Marxism is synonymous with the complete
annihilation of any society where it
takes hold, as I discuss in my book uh
The White Pill. Why? What's the
foundational problem that it introduces?
>> the Marxism is violently, literally
violently egalitarian. So, if your most
important goal is equality, well, you
can't all be Well, you can't all be
equally rich if the term rich has no
meaning, but it's much easier to build a
uh it's much easier to tear down all the
skyscrapers than to build 100 of them to
the level of the Empire State Building.
You could do the former in a day. Just
100 bombs, you're done. If you want to
build 100 Empire State Buildings, uh
good luck, right? So, that and also it
teaches these kids, correctly,
that you are the leaders of tomorrow.
You get to meet fellow travelers and
kind of have those social connections,
and you know it's very aristocratic.
You're the ones who are going to be
ruling in 10, 15, 20 years from now. And
you're told it is your duty and kind of
like this is why you're on this earth.
So, there's no sense of humility,
there's no sense of, well, maybe that
guy who didn't go to college, he knows a
lot of things I don't in his areas, or
maybe his feelings and his views should
be respected or heard. It's It's not a
thing. It's they're there, we're here.
They are they and they're annoying when
they don't know their place because I
thought we all understood, I went to
college, you didn't. So, therefore, I'm
up here, you're down here. Shut up. It's
So, it's not just that they're given the
sense of elitism, it's that they're fed
this,
you know, violently toxic ideology. So,
that combination is horrific. Um it's
why you see corporate journalists being
so absolutely and shamelessly malevolent
and dishonest, which is part and parcel
of Marxism. Cuz leftism, Tom, you and I
are are no spring chickens. And I say
this and people kind of roll their eyes
and scoff. When we were kids, there were
a lot of bleeding-heart leftists. These
were older, like maybe former hippies
who really were concerned about poor
people, and they volunteered in soup
kitchens, and they're like, you know
what, it's not right that this family,
you know, doesn't have health care cuz
mom got sick. And that's coming from not
from a bad place. And now that kind of
And people say, oh, that was never real.
It was real. You and I knew people like
this. It was of course absolutely real.
You roll their eyes cuz like you're so
kind of like earnest. But that's not a
thing. Now it's just very much kind of
the revolution and and control and
domination.
And there's no reason that that former
brand of leftism can't be resurrected.
Long term. The earnest version of it.
Okay.
>> worried about poor people. Right. So I'm
going to read into your thoughts and
then say that's where the hopefulness
comes from because as I hear you
describe the universities as the
villains of our time, break down Marxism
and exactly mechanistically why it ends
up being a problem, I do admittedly get
confused by how strongly you push the
the hopeful version of where we're
headed. Because we've been doing the
university thing to your point from the
30s, I'll clock it more from the 60s in
terms of it feeling like the engine is
really revving up. Sure. Um
and
I think it was Lenin that said like give
me one generation of kids and I'll
change the future. That is yeah, I'll
Yes, that's quoted in my book The White
Pill. I think that's ascribed to Lenin,
I don't know if he actually said it.
>> Fair. Yeah. But the kind of thing that
you could certainly see a guy like him
believing given his actions. Hitler
obviously ran the same playbook. Hitler
Youth, like give me the kids, I'll train
them how to think. So given that we've
trained so many generations of kids to
think like that and the that Marxist
tainted version of the left has now
gained so much steam and popularity, how
do we know that
>> popularity, steam.
Okay. So momentum, size.
>> think it's popular in gen pop at all.
I think gen pop's just following suit.
I'll throw out my take on that would be
that when you shift the Overton window,
a thing that people just take is
whatever, like it it just is. There's no
longer an allergic reaction to it. Not
to the extent that I would expect. I I I
agree. So, I think people, especially on
right-of-center circles, underestimate
how social left-wing America is. So, um
if the fact that the trans thing
happened almost overnight
>> Yeah. and even now it's hard to stop
people from operating on children is
something that is so um I think people
need to have that data point and realize
and I think there is this hope among
right-of-center circles that okay, this
is just the crazies and Karen doesn't
believe this.
A lot more Karens believe it than you
think. Uh and a great exa- a great how
you know this is there are plenty of
people um and let's suppose you believe
in the whole entire COVID narrative.
It's very clear that if you're a child,
it is not a problem, right? It strikes
the obese and the elderly, people who
have weakened immune systems, so and so
forth. If you're a kid, it's not a
thing, right? And they would still tell
you these kids have to get shots. Kid I
didn't like getting a needle in me as a
kid, I'm sure you didn't either.
>> No offense. Have to get a shot every 6
months in perpetuity for why? There's
not even in their framework there's no
reason for this. So, and if you see how
exciting
uh awful are affluent white female
liberals that their their boy I've never
heard that word.
>> Yeah, off- affluent white female
liberals. If their son, God forbid,
touches that pink crayon, it's off to
the races cuz now they've got a girl,
right? So, I remember Do you remember
it's so so horrifying. When we were
kids, there was Toys R Us, right?
>> And this is illegal now in California, I
don't know if you know this. You cannot
have the aisles in the toy store
segregated by gender. What?
>> You didn't know that?
>> No.
>> It's illegal. What?
That is the most moronic thing I've ever
heard in my life.
>> It's it's it's it's up there. And I
remember as a kid, this probably
happened to you, that you're looking at
the GoBots and you turn the corner and
you're in pink Barbie land and you panic
cuz if someone sees me in the pink
Barbie land aisle, it's game over. I
don't know what I thought was going to
happen, BUT I'M LIKE, "AH!" YOU KNOW,
it's like being in North Korea. I
shouldn't be here. So, the point is,
there is a huge percentage of population
that will uh
eat this up like slop. It's not this
tiny They'll just go with where the wind
goes. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, so, do
you see a way to unwind it? Like, how do
we Do we um defund universities that are
giving getting government dollars and
say, "You've got to balance out your
>> how to do it.
Ready? Tell me, yeah. So, one of the
most effective methods of
um
victory is turning your enemies against
each other, right? Taking coalitions and
and making them hate each other. So, my
plan, and I say this only slightly
tongue-in-cheek, as I mentioned you
earlier, there's no better indicator of
uh uh economic success success in
America than having a college degree.
Maybe being an heir, I don't know, but
other than that, it's college degree.
So, they are the crystallization of
privilege. That is the most privileged
population in the United States. So,
seize all the university endowments,
distribute them as reparations to the
descendants of American slaves, as and
then you have problem solved.
Okay. Only slightly tongue-in-cheek.
Only slightly tongue-in-cheek.
Now, who do you think that will make
hate who? I don't know about hate, but
if you're promising black Americans uh
sorry, African Americans specifically,
not blacks. If you're from Jamaica,
sorry, Kamala Harris, you don't get this
money. If you're an African American,
and then you're this, you know, uppity
white college kid, those two are butting
heads, cuz you're saying, "I'm taking
that money from Harvard, giving it to
you."
And you want them butting heads. Why
those groups? Because I think those two
are made big coalition parts of the
political coalition, and they have very
little in common in any sense. It's just
kind of this historical accident and I
think it'd be very easy to cuz you have
cuz these kind of college kids are very
um
uh entitled and I did two books with uh
the comedian DL Hughley uh from he's one
of the Kings of Comedy. And one of the
things he talks about is this kind of
Malcolm X idea where you have this kind
of white elite condescension and anyone
who's black knows that tone of voice
where that that college kid that white
woman talks to them as if they're
talking to a dog. Oh my god, I love your
hair. That's so cool. And it's just like
they know what you're doing and you
think you're being friendly but you're
being absurdly racist and patronizing
and you're just trying to mask your
discomfort or your position that you're
here they're there and you're talking
down to this fellow human being. So uh
and it's even the issue in minority
communities.
Uh you know, Spanish communities as well
like the people who didn't even finish
high school or who just have a a GED or
college a high school diploma and then
someone goes off to some bougie place
and comes home. This is a huge issue
already.
Um it's the same thing with like first
generation first generation immigrants.
They go to school, they look at mom and
dad and their backward ways like in the
motherland and it's kind of this kind of
interfamily uh sense of strife. So that
I think would be a very organic uh
mechanism to turn those two groups
against each other. I'll take
uh a lot of tongue and cheek on that
one. I get the point. Now one thing that
that does
>> is about the reparations. It's not about
the seizing the endowments. Yeah, that's
fair.
Now one thing that
>> I say one more last thing?
>> of course. A lot of people have heard me
say this
and gone after me and said, you call
yourself an anarchist. How are you going
to defend you're such a hypocrite.
You're sitting here defending the
government seizing all these endowments.
How can you say that? And I go, you know
what I say?
I don't care.
That's very direct.
>> That's it. I don't care.
>> Yeah, I I imagine in that hypothetical
that is
uh
it is a solution to a problem, not
necessarily your preferred method of
governance.
>> That's right. Yeah, perfectly said.
Yeah. Okay, so it does get at like all
of these different groups, subgroups in
the world. I feel like you mentioned
James Burnham before. So, reading that
book, The Machiavellians, made me
realize that once you can't control the
narrative, all bets are off.
>> That's right.
>> think it's going to be one of the
biggest changes in society is literally
all throughout human history, even
including the printing press and all
that, um it's still been controllable.
You could more or less create the
illusion of this is the right thing, the
truth thing.
>> to think. That's gone. Yes. And there's
>> Very recently. Yeah, very recently.
There's a sense of chaos, my word, in
all of that.
Uh so, I'm very curious
like I have a
you can think of them as calibrating
questions. So, what do you think who
killed Charlie Kirk, for instance? What
given how many narratives are beginning
to spring up around that? How do you
parse that? So,
I I'll answer I'll give you the long
version I'll give you the short version.
In 1901, Leon Czolgosz shot William
McKinley in Buffalo, right? And he gets
up and I recount this also in my book,
The White Pill. He gets up and he goes,
"I was right to realize why I'm a
Goldman." And she's like, "Oh, fuck."
And Emma, he'd been hanging around
anarchist circles and they This is 1901.
They thought he was a Fed cuz he was so
weird and no one knew who he was. Like,
who is this guy? He's something's off
with him. He's He must be a Fed. So, she
goes on the lam and uh by the way, I
recently won an auction, the autopsy
drawing of his brain uh and two of the
telegrams when McKinley was dying and
then and died. And they're framed
hanging in my house. So, she's on the
lamb cuz of the argument was
the president was just shot. Clearly,
there is this big anarchist conspiracy
or movement or cell that decided to take
McKinley down.
What's even funnier, uh Goldman gets
caught and is arrested and she goes,
"I sympathize with Leon and like
President McKinley's an idiot and and I
want to thank the cops for arresting me.
Uh they've done more to recruit people
to anarchism than anything I've done in
my lifetime. So, it's like I don't care
about the president. I side with the
assassin. F the police." So, she was
really a badass. And they were people
were out for blood. I mean, he died, of
course, and it's like and they had
nothing to pin her on because she had
nothing to do with it. It was just a
crazy madman. I think we all look for
uh um there has to be This is in any
circumstance. This is one of the reasons
many people believe in God. I'm not
saying they're wrong to do it, but it's
like people have this need for a sense
of order or control. Yeah. And
I think we know who did it. I think this
idea this Israel derangement syndrome
where anything bad happens as a result
of Israel, it's like it Let's suppose it
was Israel, right? First of all, uh why
wouldn't they just destroy him if
they're they're all powerful? Put CP on
his computer. Why wouldn't the killer be
have some the manifesto would be the big
one. Have a manifesto that's that says
they're from Hamas or Hamas or something
like that. You know, so on and so forth.
I had a tweet I haven't sent out. And
I'll say it to you.
And it is so powerful in its chaos that
I'm scared to deploy it. And I'm going
to reveal it on the show. You ready?
It's the first time I've I've thought of
something where I'm like, "This might be
too much even for me." Ready?
>> I want to reply to one of these people
and say, "When will you admit
that Kamala Harris won the election and
Israel stole it for Donald Trump.
And then you have to watch their brains
scramble.
And and so I I will say it to you I I'm
not tweeting it out.
>> ready for that.
>> Not ready for that, yeah.
That is
uh one of my other calibrating questions
is
what do you make of the phenomenon
>> But one more thing, just at the Charlie
point. Nowhere on the political spectrum
is Charlie Kirk public enemy number one.
Mhm. Like if you had a list, whoever you
were, of people who were like if I got
rid of God forbid got rid of this
person, you know, things would be great.
No one had him there. He's not your guy.
That's another reason, besides the many
many other reasons, why this is so
nightmarish and horrific.