Michael Fabiano On Players He Loves, His Career, The Miz

We have a legend in the fantasy football world joining us and that is it's actually me. >> where where where's Bob Harris? Where is he? >> It is his eye. Uh no, Michael Fabiano who's been around for a very very long time. We're going to get it to your journey. I don't even want to say content creation journey because you were doing it before like the whole boom of social media. >> now. Yeah, there was no social media. >> It's yeah, completely different. Like it's it's you were writing articles. Can you believe that? Writing? >> I was doing I mean I'm still doing the writing, but I there was no videos, there was no Insta there was no social media there's no Insta there was nothing, right? I mean there was nothing like that. And so I remember when I first started this was back in the early 2000s with commissioner.com and they would say, "All right, Favs, we got a radio hit for you to do." I'm like, "Okay." And I do the radio hit and I'm like, "Well, nervous." You know, cuz I mean I'm 26 years old. It's the first time I've been doing that kind of thing. I'll never forget the first time I did TV was in Minnesota. And I I I will never forget that I said that Joe Horn has a great repertoire with Aaron Brooks. It was rapport. I said it wrong. I will never forget that. >> It still haunts you. >> It's right I just It still haunts me to this day. It drives me nuts. So yeah, I mean it was all writing going through like online newspapers and getting updates on players for baseball and basketball. I started off doing basketball for the most part. And then, you know, football. I always wanted to do football as like the main sport, but basketball is where I kind of broke in. And yeah, it was literally just online doing updates for commissioner.com, writing articles, doing an occasional radio hit, and then all of the sudden it just took off. >> Yeah. >> And now you're talking about TV. Now, I'm not talking about social media yet. All of the sudden you're doing a little bit TV. I was lucky enough to be the the first fantasy analyst ever on one of the four major networks. I did a fantasy football show on CBS with Gus Johnson and Randy Cross. And I look back at that and I don't ever want to see it again because I looked like it was my first time on national television. It's It's, you know what I mean? But like you get you got to have to It's reps. >> You get the crap out of your system. >> So I went from looking like I was, you know, completely wow, overwhelmed on my national television to doing halftime shows on NFL Network in front of millions of people and it's like, "Okay, cool." It's You know what I mean? They kind of is what it is. But it's been It's been fun because I've been along for the ride for um how fantasy football just took off and grew. Cuz when I got in, it wasn't like huge. And I think the dawn of the internet made it like easier for people to play. They didn't have to worry about going into USA Today like I used to do and you had a pen and paper and write down the stats and figure all the stuff out and do math, right? And it was easier and that really helped to build it up. And I mean now I mean look look at this. We've got this amazing event in Las Vegas. I got these awesome championship belts from Trophy Smack. It's It's awesome. >> Yeah. >> And we have just gone through so much and it's been amazing to see everything as it has developed and progressed over the 25 years that I've been doing this. >> Mm wow. >> Yeah. That's So I want to mention the Trophy Smack because actually >> Vegas >> It was um Josh, I think it was his name, Josh Weaver that came over and was like, "Oh, which belt should I give him?" And he laid out two belts and one looked like the World Heavyweight Championship and one looked like the Intercontinental Championship. And I said, "Let me give him the Intercontinental because he's buddies with Mike The Miz Mizanin who has won quite a few amount of uh >> You want to You want to hear something funny? >> What's up? >> Mike used to do NFL Fantasy Live with NFL Network. He used to come on couple times a year. And so we had a match up one weekend and I says, "All right, dude. You want to You want to like have a little wager?" He's like, "Yeah, okay." I you're coming on the show next week. If I win this week, I get to be the Intercontinental Champion. You have to come on and give that that title to me. And I came out dressed like him with the smoke, did his whole like little thing that Mike used to do like back in the day. And so I was the Intercontinental Champion for, I don't know, 5 or 10 minutes? Not really, but it was fun and it was the old IC belt, the white one that like Shawn Michaels made famous like way back in the day. >> Good days, yeah. >> Ah, dude, so awesome. >> Dude, yes. Well, I know that cuz I listened to the podcast that you had with Connor Orr recently. And you you mentioned another punishment that Mike had to do with holding up a sign and say I suck at fantasy football, but he didn't like You didn't say how big I had to write those words, but >> Yeah, he got me there. He got me there. So I beat him and he was supposed to hold up a sign that said that I don't remember if it was I suck at fantasy football or something like that or Michael Fabiano is my fantasy daddy. But he wrote it in the smallest letters possible. So when he posted it on social media, couldn't see what it said. I'm like, you son of a but I should have knowing Mike I should have stipul- you know, I kind of like had a stipulation in there like you have to be able to read it. Scott Hanson did do it the right way though. Years ago I did the same thing with Scott and I beat him and he did hold up a sign that said that uh Michael Fabiano's, you know, my my daddy in fantasy football and he stood out in the parking lot at NFL Network way back in the day in Culver City. So Scott, kudos to >> What a good guy. >> Mike, whatever, bro. >> Yeah, Scott, righteous man. The Miz is yeah. Well, The Miz is now has beef with somebody else being named The Miz. So we'll let him deal with his own issues right now that he has. But you've been around for a very long time. When I first started playing fantasy football, it was like 2013 and nfl.com was the platform that I was playing on. And I would always read your start 'em sit 'em articles. You were like the first guy that I got invested in and I I I love his intellect, his knowledge, his reasoning behind these start and sits. And then we see the boom like we mentioned of content creation. Now everybody can be a fantasy football analyst. It's I kind of relate to you in the sense of I've been creating content since 2013. But I've seen people that have created content since 2021, 2022 just like take off like and done really well which >> Yeah, it's insane. >> Do you do you feel like in a sense in the fantasy community you've been leapfrogged in some sort of ways or do you still feel like you're going along with the ride with everybody else? >> I've tried to keep up. I mean, I produce videos now. I like I don't just record videos, I actually produce them. >> Oh wow. >> Because I figure I need to know that because a lot of the younger people are doing that kind of thing. And in a way like YouTube, I see people and no offense to them, I I don't know who they are. But they have tons of followers and good for them. That's great, you know? But I think I still earned like the right to be like a destination no matter what. So people are always going to go to see start them and sit them. I there's no doubt about that. No matter where I've been whether it's been CBS or NFL or Sports Illustrated, like that's always like, you know, the my most read article like no matter what. So I feel like when you've been doing it long enough and there's a lot of people, you know, like me that have been around long enough where you become kind of a destination where people are going to go to you because they've gone to you for so many years. But I mean, I mean, there's there's folks out there again like I don't know who they are. I've never heard of them before. But they create something that resonates with people which is great for them. And so you know, if is it competition? I don't know. Um it no one no one writes start them and sit them like I do. And no one writes the original start them and sit them. That's just me, you know? So I I think that it's great that we've expanded out and there's just so many voices now. Um and it's different now. Right? It's just like why you look at page views and downloads and that kind of stuff. Like everything's changing now because of Google and AI and how people actually search and all that kind of It's it's all changed. Like it's from back in 2000 where I was only doing radio stuff. And then all of a sudden I'm doing a little TV stuff. And all of a sudden I'm on live TV doing a a show five or six days a week. And then it's now social media where you're doing videos on there. It just keeps like progressing and progressing and progressing to the point now where there's just like you said, who doesn't have a podcast? And I'm not just talking about fantasy sports. I mean they're podcasting about everything. >> This guy like everybody has one, right? >> Everybody's got a podcast. All right, everybody does, right? So, um so I don't I don't really see it as, you know, being leapfrogged or anything like that. I just think there's just more people out there who are creating content. And a lot of times it's not for nothing. A lot of it's very derivative. It's the same kind of stuff. Like you're looking at the same numbers. You're looking at the same matchups. You're looking at this player against this defense. So, a lot of it is just it's kind of similar. >> Yeah, it's based off of I I guess what your cup of tea is. Like the personality, the opinions, like if you love the guy or the or or the girl that's talking about it, then you're just going to go towards them. But yeah, like you said, like the content is all there. All the matchups are the same. >> If you I would say this, I don't think that I would be where I am or I've done what I've done without having personality. It you can listen to some people out there and they'll be like, "This week, Nico Collins is facing this cornerback and this cornerback has allowed this many yards per run." Like it is like robotic. Okay? It's like every Star Wars movie um after the first three. It's just very wooden and boring, you know what I mean? Are you a Star Wars guy? >> No, but I listened to the podcast where you were talking about Disney's like George Lucas beautiful, right? >> Well, then Disney's is like >> the first but then after that the the the dialogue is very wooden and kind of like what? It's you know, it's it's like Anakin Skywalker is fighting to the death with Obi-Wan Kenobi and you know, Obi-Wan Kenobi is questioning why he has changed and Anakin goes, "For my point of view the Jedi are evil." Like it's the stupidest most wooden line in the world where you're fighting for your life in a pit of lava. And I >> It's yeah. >> SO THERE'S LIKE some people out there like no matter what it is, no matter what it is, it's like if you're just spewing out stats, it's freaking boring, man. Like and not everybody can get in front of a camera or be on a podcast or be on radio, whatever it is and be entertaining and informative. >> Mhm. >> So I like to think that I kind of can mix a little bit of the two. >> Yeah. >> And so I think that's helped. And then just the great people that I've met over the years and I think that's also been, you know, cool too to be able to bring celebrity into the world of fantasy, which I've really tried to do a lot over the years. Obviously, you know, you know, between like the celebrities that I do and stuff like right now we're doing a thing for Sports Illustrated. If you sign up for my SMS or my newsletter, you get entered into a contest to play in a fantasy league with me and Michael Bublé. Yeah, that guy, the crooner, my buddy and Adam Ray who is a great comedian who's got his own show on Netflix, right? >> Yeah. >> So you can actually do that if you want to. The contest is running until I think the end of next week and then we'll pick 10 winners and they'll get to play against us and if you win, you get this maybe not this particular belt, but a belt from Trophy Smack and you can go out and say that I beat Fabs, Bublé and Ray in a fantasy football league. So >> Since we're on the plug, where do we go? So sportsillustrated.com? >> Yeah, just go to SI.com. SI.com/fantasy. The draft gets up there. You'll be able to find it or just go to my social media cuz it's all over the place. Instagram, TikTok. Yeah, so you'll be able to find it pretty easily. >> Yeah. >> I love that. Well, you mentioned personality and I mean just from this interview you have a lot of personality. And actually on Twitter you have some personality as well because we actually met last night. >> Yeah. >> I asked if you'd be able to do this interview. >> Mhm. >> And I said, "Hey, one of the things I really respected about you is your stance on kickers in fantasy football." >> Well, yeah. >> How how amazing is it that when we you went on a rant last night about it with me? And then I get on Twitter this morning and I see you rant about it. So, I don't know what I invoked in you to go on Twitter. >> here's the thing. It was a combination of that and somebody on Twitter and I guess he's like in the fantasy football space. Like I I I I I am so bad with people's names. I don't know who it is. But the tweet was basically like, "If you still use kickers, you're in a Mickey Mouse league." So, number one, stop being an elitist jerk and don't tell me how to play fantasy football, okay? Like kickers are a part of the game. Kickers were very important back in the early days of fantasy football in the Gapo leagues, right? I mean, way back like with This was back in the '60s. George Blanda was a fantasy star. Why? Because he was not only a quarterback, but he was a kicker. And so, if you take away kickers, you can't call it foot ball. Okay? Because no one I mean, come on. And kickers, like especially these days, people should be gravitating to Brandon Aubrey who's been awesome, to Ka'imi Fairbairn. Jason Myers was a stud last year. Kickers are bombing like 70-yarders. And by the way, Cam Little who's the kicker for the Jags who has bombed 70-yarders in his career, he replied to that post with something I can't say on the show. It was I think five It was It was basically YBAU. It was Was that it? Did you see it? Yeah, but that is also a burner Cam Little account. I also say that Cam Little goat. >> Oh, it it was in the real Cam Little. >> that I got I got stupid a long time ago by something else. I was like, "Cam Little said this?" But it's actually like a fan account. Kind of like Drake Maye lover. >> Okay, okay. >> It's the same thing. >> stooped too then. >> But, anyways, they are very I mean, listen, when when Aubrey's better than all but five tight ends and he's better than all but 15 running backs and he's better than all but 18 or 20 wide receivers >> Mhm. >> and he's all but you know, what, in the top 35 among flex players? You want to get rid of that position? Like, okay. Yeah, it can be hard to predict. Did you predict Justin Jefferson was going to be a bum last year? No. Everything is hard to predict in fantasy football, right? We all know Bijan's going to be great every year. We all know Jamyrr Gibbs is going to be great every year. Oh, but by the way, we all thought Justin Jefferson was going to be great every year, too. And last year, he wasn't. Not because of him, but because of the quarterback situation. So, it's it's all hard. So, I don't think predicting kickers is any more difficult than predicting uh the the fourth, fifth, and sixth tiers of running backs. >> Yep. >> Right? I mean, like, well, who's going to get the most carries in Chicago this week? Is it Swift or is it Mondun guy? I don't know. I'm just going to take a guess. It's all the same. It's the same thing with defenses. >> Something that I picked up on that you always talked about was uh any of your stardom cinema articles when you talked about kickers was like how many field goals is this team giving up? So, I combined field goal field goal attempts given up per game for a defense that they're facing and I add that with field goal attempts per game that they're uh given. So, like, someone like Ka'imi Fairbairn who Demeco Ryans like on a fourth and one will kick a field goal. >> Right. >> You know, so he's averaging two to three field goal attempts per game and he's facing like, I don't know, it varies per year, but like, say for instance, the Jets and they give up like two or three field goal attempts per game. Ka'imi Fairbairn's in line for a monster game. And like, people say, well, it's unpredictable. Just look at those two stats. That's like at the baseline and just go from there. Yeah, it's random at times, but no, there's there's strategy. >> Fantasy football, there's a lot of randomness. >> Yeah. >> I mean, there really is. I mean, I loved Drake Maye going into last year. Did I think he was going to be a QB 2 in fantasy? No. I I mean, there's a lot of randomness like that. There's going to be quarterbacks this year that are going to get drafted beyond round 10 who are going to be in the top 10. >> And there's a lot of randomness in the media world as well, especially with the fantasy football world. I would say actually on-air analyst, a lot of turnover with like people going from like NFL to like ESPN to NBC to now Sports Illustrated. When it comes to that turnaround, why do we see that so much? I know ESPN has laid off a lot of people like what is it about the broadcasting world? >> It It is I am blessed to have been able to do what I've done for 25 years. I hope to do it for another 25 years, right? Um it's a brutal industry, man. I mean, no matter who you are, you have scars. I have scars, you know? I mean, like with the NFL Network, COVID hits, my contract's up. Most of the people whose contracts was up during COVID didn't get brought back, right? No fault of their own. A pandemic hit us or didn't, I don't know. You I guess you can You can >> Let's ask Mr. Rogers. >> It's Right, you can ask. So, um that kind of thing happens. And then there's changes in the industry. And then advertisers are not advertising solely with these sites anymore because now they can advertise with uh you know, Jake Paul on a podcast or they can go and give money to a social media influence like Alex Earl, whoever it is, right? And so, all of a sudden the advertising dollar goes down and they're not making as much money. Who suffers? The employees. >> Right. >> And that's how it is. And so, it's not so much around about like the turnaround in that well, we're getting rid of these people to replace them with other people. It's we're getting rid of people. And we're going to kind of do what you know, what we have in house and those people will either find jobs at other places or won't. Um and I and I'm a lot of a lot of people that I know have, you You bounced around. I was with CBS for almost 6 years, left for the NFL. I was there for over 15 years. And now, you know, Sports Illustrated's coming on like, what, 6 or 7 years? So, you know, I'm I'm proud of that. Uh in the you know, at SiriusXM, at Westwood One, I've been doing Westwood One for over 20 years. So, I don't know that it's so much like that there's turnaround in terms of like companies that are just getting rid of people who maybe aren't doing the job. And I mean, in some cases, I'm sure that's the case, but it's also just the industry's changing. And where the money comes from is changing. And companies are spending How much money does Pat McAfee and Stephen A. Smith make for ESPN? Like, they got to pay those guys. And other unfortunately, other people, you know, may pay the price by losing their job because they're putting their money into these big names who have major influences across, you know, all mediums. And it's not just sports. I mean, I have friends who are actors. And they're looking at AI, and they're like, it is phenomenal. I- I- Even in >> influencers, like >> Yes. >> They that have turned into actors, or they can grab influencers that don't have acting experience. But yeah. >> The The kid The kid who did Obsession. >> Yeah, yeah. >> He was a YouTube guy. That movie's one of the great money makers of all time. Have you seen it? >> I haven't. My wife refuses to watch it. Uh cuz she's she hates horror movies, but she loves like the idea of that movie. Which like I'm Maybe that scares I should be scared for that. But uh no, I I haven't seen it. >> Bro, it's so good. I love horror movies. Like I Uh there's other things beyond fantasy football that I'm into. Horror's is one of them. It's amazing. >> Yeah. >> It's literally one of the best horror movies I've seen in the last, I don't know, 10 years. My mom was like, and I'm a kid, I don't know, 8 years old, 9. I want to watch American Werewolf in London. No, you're going to get scared, you're not going to sleep. I'll be all right. Let me watch it. No, you're not going to watch it. Mom, I want to watch It's on tonight. You want to watch it? Go ahead and watch it. I watched it, it scared the get out of me. And I didn't sleep. And my mother's like, "I don't care. I told you." But I've always been an over He's like like as long as I can remember. Worth it. 100% worth it. >> I love I just But it's it's all of entertainment. It's It's everything. Like the industry is changing. Social media was the beginning of something, and now AI is the beginning of something else. >> Well, you're killing it right now in Sports Illustrated, which is awesome. I hope you continue to do great things and and and make some great predictions as well. Which kind of want I kind of want to go into that fantasy football predictions for the season. This is pre-draft. >> Yeah. >> Give us like your hot takes or like those guys that you're really riding with. Like, and I'm not talking about like you're just looking at the consensus rankings and like I'm just moving this guy up two spots. I'm talking about, no, I would be willing to I'm not going to, but I have him ranked like four or five rounds ahead of ADP. Who are those guys? >> The thing is that everyone's hurt right now. It's crazy. I have never seen this many injuries in August in my life. But two of the dudes that are hurt, I love Emeka Egbuka. I I think he could be a low-end wide receiver one this year. He's got the toe. I don't think it's serious. We'll find out. Luther Burden, I freaking love Luther Burden. He's got an injury, too, but he's supposed to be ready for week one. Maybe it's going to be a slow start. Same thing with the Bears. Now, Colson Loveland Loveland, everyone's drafting that guy pretty highly, so I don't think I'm much higher on ADP. Um but some of the other players that I I've moved Jonathan Brooks up. I've moved Basha Tuitan up. Um I may be a little higher on Jackson Dart than some other people. Uh even though, you know, he's a guy that people are drafting probably eighth or ninth round. I rather have him than Patrick Mahomes all day long. Uh and last year that would have been crazy if you came out and said something like that, right? So uh there there also players like that I'm trying to get late. Casey Concepcion. I'd I'll I'll a dart at that kid, right? I'll throw a dart at Malik Washington cuz somebody's got to catch passes in that offense in Miami. They're going to have to throw the ball at least a little bit, right? So, there's other players that I'm Isaiah Likely. Uh he's not getting drafted as a tight end one. But when I look at John Harbaugh and like his tendencies in his offenses under his offensive coordinators over the years, what's been, you know, star the quarterback's been normally very productive. Uh one wide receiver's been pretty productive. The running back's been productive and the tight end's been productive. So, you know, you look at that kind of thing, too. Uh speaking of like a guy like Malik Willis, I think Malik Willis could be a top 12 quarterback this year. >> Mhm. >> Because of the running chops. >> But it but it might be like Justin Fields where it's like one week could be 25 and another week could be six. >> It's possible. It's possible. Yeah. Um but you also can look back at some of the quarterbacks who didn't have the skill set of I I always bring up Tim Tebow. I could throw a better ball than Tim Tebow. Well, maybe not after shoulder surgery, but you get the point. Tim Tebow was a startable fantasy player. >> Mhm. >> Why? Cuz he ran with the ball. >> Yep. >> Right? And I think the Dolphins are going to be behind a lot. Uh what are they projected for? What? Four wins? I think the over/unders are at four and a half, something like that. I think Arizona's the the lowest at like three and a half. So, I mean, Miami's going to be playing from behind a lot, which means that Willis is going to have to try and make some plays, right? Maybe it's a lot of garbage time stuff. But if he if you look at his average rushing yards per game in his starts, it's in the mid-40s. Over a 17-game schedule, you're looking at 700 yards rushing. And if you're a quarterback and you rush for 700 yards, you're going to be in the top 12. Like he could throw for 2,300 yards, 15 touchdowns, and 11 interceptions. If he rushes for 750 yards and five touchdowns, he's going to be in the top 12. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Early on, people said the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I think it was 2021 was like his breakout fantasy season. And people were like, "Oh, Jalen Hurts is awesome." But it's like when you really looked at him playing the game, it's like okay, now he's elevated himself and he's gotten a lot better. But like in that 2021 season it's like oh, we see a lot of flaws as like a quarterback. But like the same thing with Malik Willis. >> Blake Bortles. >> Yeah. >> Blake Bortles was a top 10 fantasy quarterback and like at least one or maybe two years in his career. I think he may have been in the top five one year. >> 2015 was his biggest season, yeah. >> Was Blake Bortles a good quarterback? No, he was not. Okay? Tim Tebow was not a good quarterback and you started him in fantasy. I remember I started Terrelle Pryor one year when he played quarterback for the Raiders and he rushed for over 100 yards. >> Yeah. >> I I I I I will always tell people this story. Years and years ago, I won a fantasy football championship with Billy Volek. Okay? I mean >> Throwback. >> Backup quarterback, man. >> Uh when he was on the Titans or okay, yeah. >> So like weird stuff happens, right? I won a quarterback I I won a a fantasy championship with Matt Moore one year. Who is Matt Moore? >> Yes. >> He played for the Dolphins. He had a start for them late in the season. He had a really good matchup. I don't remember if my quarterback was hurt or what the case was, but I had to like just roll the dice. >> How'd it go? >> good enough. I won. >> I love it. No, a couple people have said Breshad Perriman before. Actually Dave uh Klooge he said uh Chris Rodriguez. He was a Flip it around I guess. So I guess everybody's split on that. But no, I I I love your picks. Um and there's actually one more thing that I wanted to do with you. Um so what I've been doing is for everybody that has hopped on for an interview, I've been doing a mock draft. Okay? I'm drafting from the 101. I'm doing 12 team half PPR. >> Okay. >> And I'm having everyone just pick one person. So Austin Ekeler went first. He had the first pick. >> Who did he take? Did he take Christian McCaffrey? >> How'd you know? >> Because I am friends with Austin and I talked to him about this earlier in the in the day. >> Yep, so this is the the board right now. So we got Christian McCaffrey. And the second Klooge took Neighbors and then my buddy Faraz Siddiqui took uh George Pickens. >> Okay. >> Um and I'm not going to give any context cuz like all these guys were like, "Okay, if >> Is this like full point PPR? Like what are we talking about here? Half PPR? Okay. >> so feel free to to skim around. >> Yep. >> Uh at the end of the turn on the four. You know. >> looking at the first guy I'm looking for is Emeka and I Did he get drafted already? >> Yeah, he did. He got drafted already. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay, so so this team that has the first overall got CMC and then Neighbors which I mean Neighbors has moved up, you know, since since camp opened and and we've seen him actually look decent. And then Pickens. So really I I will never draft a quarterback this low this high unless it's superflex. I will never draft a tight end this high. I'm just not going to do it. So it's either going to be best available wide receiver or best available running back for me. And that's what I would do. So when I look at what's available at running back right now, there is no one player that excites me, bro. Not one. Not one. You know who excites me? Luther Burden. >> You going to lock it in? >> I'm going Luther Burden, man. >> Do it. Awesome. >> Emeka wasn't there, so I couldn't take him. But listen, man, I I I preach and practice what I preach and so I will go with I will go with Luther Burden there. >> Well, I >> At the turn because then you got the fifth pick and then you could take that second running back which I would probably end up I mean jeez Louise, it might be Swift at that point. There's not much left out there. It might be It might be Jahmyr Gibbs Swift. >> Yeah, well, >> You can take a couple of Bears in a row. I don't hate having two guys in Ben Johnson's offense. >> The crazy thing about this is like I don't give any context of like who somebody else want cuz uh Cloogy wanted uh the third round to be Nico Collins. >> Okay. >> And I was like, I'm not going to even mention it. He said, "No, mention it. Mention it." I'm like, "No, I'm not going to even >> Okay. >> So it's going to be completely random. Let's see if it's a team that strangers are just picking together. Teamwork prevails. Let's see if that happens. Yeah, but I hey Michael, I appreciate the time. This is like honestly a dream come true cuz >> Oh, dude, stop it, man. Come on. >> I've followed you for a very long time. So, this is awesome, man. >> it, man. And it's people like you that make it all worthwhile. And that's why I'm hoping I get another 25 years in this industry, man. Imagine I mean like I'm 53 right now, dude. I started doing this when I was 26. >> 78, 25 years. >> Bro, you'll be kicking. Come on. I mean jeez, though. I'm Italian. So, you know, sometimes you know, good genes, you know, maybe don't look 53 when I'm 75. If I'm still doing fantasy football at 75, there's a problem. >> Yeah, that might be a sad life. >> But hey, listen, man. You got guys out there who have been doing this for for a long, long time across the spectrum >> Yeah. >> who are in their, you know, late 60s. Bob Harris, where's Bob Harris? He's in his mid-60s, man. He's in his early to mid-60s. He's still, you know, kicking ass and taking names. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm just going to keep doing it as long as I can. >> We'll be watching regardless. Michael, appreciate the time. >> All right, my brother.