Members’ Business: Save Queen's Park Glasshouse - 10 September 2026

Thank you. We now move to our members business. H a debate on motion 899 in the name of Holly Bruce on Safe Queens Park Glass House. This debate will be concluded without any question being put and ask members who wish to speak in the debate to press the request to speak buttons now. and I call on Holly Bruce 7 minutes. >> Thank you, presiding officer. I want to start by referring to my declaration of interest. I am currently a sitting counselor on Glasgow City Council. Sorry, deputy presiding officer. Um I'd also like to begin by thanking the campaigners from the Save Queens Park Glass House campaign who some are in the gallery this evening. They've taken time off work and education and traveled through from Glasgow to be here today. Thank you for your tireless campaigning. Glasgow Southside owes you a great deal. And I'd like to acknowledge that all seven Glasgow regional MSPs have also signed their support for the motion. I'm pleased that this issue is one we can agree on cross party and particularly for Paul Sweeny's support with the campaign. Deputy Presiding Officer, every time we allow a public asset to lock its doors, we chip away at the social fabric of our communities. Cities demand you to buy something just to sit down. Free publicly owned spaces are the vital equalizer in our communities. They are safe, non-transactional places where we can take up space without cost. But privatizing or profiteering on public space, we we tell working-class people that they must pay to exist and that they don't belong. Safe, free green spaces are not a luxury. They are a fundamental feminist infrastructure for more equitable cities. And nobody knows this better than folk living in Glasgow Southside. We've been here before with the threaten of closure of public libraries. And in the last few months, the Save Queens Park Glass House campaign has worked tirelessly to protect the Queens Park Glass House. For those who don't know, it's an iconic community venue in my constituency, which has been threatened with closure with Glasgow City Council claiming that the cost of keeping the building open have become unsustainable. But this evening, I really want to talk about priorities. Because right now in a world that aims to dehumanize us, I believe we should be holding on more tightly to our precious public spaces that make us feel more human and connected to those around us, not eroding their funding and allowing them to sit empty or or worse, be sold off to the highest bidder. I do not want to see yet another public asset disappear. And I don't want campaigners to have to continue to take the time out of their lives to fight for what a parliament our job is to prioritize. Queens Park Glass House is not just a building. It is a crucial civic asset. One whose public value has only become more important in the face of austerity and degrading public assets. many of which have been left to deteriorate and sit abandoned, leaving depressing relics of what could have been scattered across Glasgow, but also throughout Scotland. My constituents have said loud, proud, and very clear that they will not stand by and watch this happen to the glass house. For over a century, the glass house has provided numerous benefits to Glasbasside. It's hosted weddings, live music, family events, and festivals. It has housed a cafe and a children's soft play area, supported horicultural education, and provided a calm, sheltered green space of refuge for Glasgow residents and visitors. I've received hundreds of individual emails from constituents across Glasgow Southside telling me that this really matters to them and asking me to do something about it. What struck me isn't just the volume of emails that I've received, but that each person has their own relationship to the glass house. Many young people wrote to me to tell me that they when they find life in the city really overwhelming, they go there to reflect, to restore, and to just rest. That the glass house is a place of sanctuary in some of the most vulnerable times. And while we look to improve the mental health of young people across Scotland, we must listen to them and provide calm spaces to support their well-being. Many have said that's exactly what the glass house is, a coping mechanism in dark times. That's why the Save the Queens Park Glass House campaign has been working tirelessly to stop the Glass House from being closed. It's why over 13,000 people signed a petition to support the campaign's aims to keep the glass house publicly owned, publicly run, and publicly accessible with future use developed through meaningful deep community engagement. They have also been clear that they want this to result in a space which will continue to provide social, environmental, cultural, educational, and well-being benefits. ticks all the boxes really as the glass house has done for over a century. Last month in my capacity as a local counselor, my mo motion through Glasgow City Council was passed with significant cross party support which now commits the council to keep the glass house open or at least until the next budget day comes around. But I don't want us to have to fight to save our public spaces from budget to budget year on year. I don't want our constituents to always need to keep a watchful eye over services that should be thriving. But all of this is only for now and I look to the long-term future of the glass house and many other public spaces in Glasgow Southside and beyond such as Governill Baths and Langside Hall. Ultimately, we need to go deeper and look at why our public spaces are in the state that they're in. I've dedicated a lot of my time to this cause. Some might call it political crumbs, a counselor problem, but this is what I'm here to do. This is my job to serve my constituents, to make our everyday spaces better. And in turn, this will help make my constituents lives better. It is not news to anyone that our councils are facing chronic underfunding and an inability to raise revenue. We need more funding for local government so we can make better decisions on a local level. That is the bottom line. And we need creative solutions to these problems instead of just saying there's no money and not doing anything substantive to change it. If we reform the council tax, we could see tax that is not only fairer for people and paid for those who can afford it, but can raise more money for councils. That should be a priority for this government. We should be working on the hard stuff. And what funding is available to councils and communities is often poorly advertised and difficult to access. Take the EMV2 planning framework. This is example of money that's available in theory but is not making its way to the projects that need it most. The capital block grant from the UK government is forecast to fall on year on year. Capital spending for people in place will decrease in a time when community spaces for community cohesion, warmth, mental health are needed now more than ever. There's a big opportunity now for the new prime minister to change that. Investment in the glass house will reward itself time and time again. I want to make the minister and the cabsac aware that I know there are substantive issues with capital funding. But I'm here to help solve those problems and find a sustainable solution. I'd welcome their collaboration, a visit to the glass house and a solution focused meeting to protect the people of Glasgow Southside's heritage, its well-being, and its community spirit. I'm looking forward to hearing the reflections of many members this evening and for this to be the start of a conversation to not only save the glass houses but to open their doors for good. Thank you. >> I'm sorry but can I remind members of the gallery that um contributions such as clapping are not permitted. Uh, can I call Paul Sweeney to be followed by Kim Schmillian. Thank you. >> Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. May I thank the member for Glasgow Southside for tableabling this motion for members business. And I was pleased to second it as we are united not just in the defense of this public building but in defense of a principle a principle that was foundational to the creation of the modern city of Glasgow that our great civic assets are places of beauty learning well-being belong to the public and that Glasgow City Council has a fundamental duty to be their ultimate guardian on behalf of the public. Queens Park Glass House is not just another greenhouse. is a vital piece of our social and architectural history. Constructed in 1895 by the renowned particultural builder Simpson Farmer, it has stood for generations as a civic sanctuary in the south side of the city. When the Victorian city fathers commissioned these structures, they were driven by high-minded ideals. In an era when Glasgow was the workshop of the world, shrouded in industrial smog and suit, municipal glass houses were constructed as cathedrals of light and nature. They were rooted in the philosophy of rational recreation and the civic gospel, the belief that the working class deserved access to clean air, botanical education and moral uplift. They were designed to provide a democratic space of beauty and tranquility free at the point of use to improve the physical and mental health of the public. These laudable ideals are just as relevant today. The Queens Park Glass House currently provides immeasurable benefits to the community and its future potential as a hub for growing learning, biodiversity, climate action, and well-being is quite simply enormous. The local campaigners here in the gallery who have rallied to save the glass house have fought a magnificent campaign, and they have won the right to be heard in the national legislature. Glasgow City Council has finally committed to consultation, a feasibility study, capital funding bids, and community engagement. We welcome those commitments, but as the campaigners have rightly stated, these processes must not become a bureaucratic smokeokc screen to avoid the central question. And that question is, who will ultimately be responsible for the glass house in the future? I know all too well the perilous journey of saving such a structure. The Queens Park Glass House shares a profound connection with another of Glasgow's great lost civic treasures, the Springburn Winter Gardens, built by the exact same firm, Simpson Farmer just 5 years later in 1900. The Springbar Winter Gardens was once the jewel of the north of Glasgow, built with the same soaring ambition. And when I first became involved in the campaign to save the Spring Ball Winter Gardens back in 2013, the building had lain derelict for three decades. It spectacular iron work was rusting, its glass long gone, surrounded by Harris fencing and municipal apathy. For 13 years, alongside a dedicated group of local trustees, we fought to pull that building back from the brink. We tirelessly lobbyed. We scraped together funding for emergency works to keep it standing. And we fought a seemingly endless battle against a culture of managed decline. And I'm incredibly proud of what we have achieved in just a a major breakthrough in that campaign this year, securing a viable funded path forward to restore the ruined building. But deputy presiding officer, it should not require 13 years of exhausting, relentless campaigning by volunteers on their own spare time to save a category A-listed public owned asset from collapsing altogether. Those who have been involved in the struggle to save the nearby Governill baths over the last quarter of a century will know exactly what I mean. Community trusts and local collaborations are wonderful indeed. They are essential for community well-being. But we cannot allow local authorities to use in community empowerment as a euphemism for municipal abdication of responsibility. Handing over the keys of complex heritage listed capital intensive glass houses entirely to underresourced volunteer groups is often just setting them up to fail. That does not mean however that the council must rigidly operate every square inch of the site alone. We must look to the future through a lens of collaboration and modern municipal enterprise. There is immense opportunity here to be flexible and innovative. We can and should collaborate with social enterprises, charities, and local organizations to diversify the utilization of the wider glass house complex. And whether that involves partnering to run a community cafe, leasing incillary spaces for urban agriculture projects, a botanical gin distillery, or collaborating with educational groups, these partnerships can generate vital revenue and breathe dynamic new life into these buildings if appropriately planned and designed with the community. But this flexibility must be built upon an unshakable foundation, the fundamental principle of public ownership and control. The core public spaces, the magnificent glass houses that are open to the public today thanks to the campaign must remain publicly operated, publicly managed and free to access. The council must be the ultimate guarantor of the building's future. So, deputy presiding officer, we must also acknowledge that the vulnerability of the Queens Park glass house and the wider erosion of our parks funding is not happening in a vacuum is a direct symptom of the disproportionate austerity inflicted upon Glasgow City Council by the Scottish government. Over the last decade, we have seen Glasgow's budget slashed by over 10%, literally decimated. And when the government sets roughly 80% of the local authorities funding, it leaves the council with an impossible dilemma. However, we cannot allow Victorian and civic inheritance to become the collateral damage of these cuts. We need only to look to the east end to the devastating closure of the People's Palace Winter Gardens in 2018 to see the cost of an action. That closure robbed the people of the East End and Glasgow as a whole of another civic historic glass house, leaving it to languish while the council struggled to find the funding to keep it going. We cannot allow the Southside to suffer the same fate by stealth. We're witnessing the gradual erosion of the civic infrastructure that led the poet John Bchmen to famously describe Glasgow as the greatest Victorian city in the world. And today, too often we see these civic assets treated merely as liabilities on a spreadsheet, rather the engines of community wealth that they were meant to be. Deputy Presiding Officer, the conclusion here is straightforward. We have won the have to give way by me. >> I'm sorry the member is well over their time. >> I would love to give away. Um we have won the right to be heard here. Now we need to win the future of the glass house. The council must embrace the opportunity as a municipal enterprise partnering with the community to unlock the building's potential while retaining the ultimate responsibility for its ownership and operation of its core public spaces. Keep it publicly owned, publicly controlled, publicly accessible. Anything less is a betrayal of Glasgow's municipal socialist heritage and its people. Thank you. I call Kim Schmoolian to be followed by Idris Sween. >> Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Um, in principle, I'm happy to support Holly Bruce's motion and indeed I thank her for bringing that forward. As someone who has worked to look after heritage buildings, I know the challenges they present and what is required to make them sustainable. It's not just about money, but love, care, and active community support. So, yes, a breathing space. >> I'm sorry, Miss Schmillian. I wonder if you could raise your microphone. My apologies. That's okay. Thank you. Did Did anybody hear that opening statement? No, you you did. Okay. So, so yes, a breathing space for a feasibility study, but an absolute no to getting Glasgow Life involved because strategic alignment with council objectives is not the same as a business case, and that's what is required for the glass houses to flourish. I do not say this to have a go at the council, but as someone who knows that for any potential community business to flourish, it needs stakeholder partnerships with the private sector. A one-sizefitsall approach will simply not cut it. And this is why people spending money on events these days want some personal input and flexibility on catering, drinks, suppliers, entertainment, etc. They want to plan their event to their own price point. Also, when you work with a dedicated list of suppliers and stakeholders as a multi-purpose venue, they in turn do your marketing for you. The southside is buzzing at the moment with many startups in places such as sinker drive and stratbango. The transformation of the old Victoria infirmary into flats with more development planned for battlefield means the market is expanding and residents and visitors will look for more green space, better access to the park, more pedestrian areas, and also more parking. While people like me have retreated from the city center, local community businesses have flourished. If residents are willing to spend5 on a match in some shopfront, they'll do it at a cafe in the glass house. Indeed, there are positive and negative negative examples in the southside to look at when considering the glassous's future. I was on the committee of Langside Halls and it's a project that often seems endless. its drawbacks including major fabric challenges, a poor location with no exclusive green space and most notably its size. Governill Baths is another. A project is not a sustainable business concept and after many years going from funding application to funding application, still no conclusion. A plan with a revenue model attached moves in years. By contrast, Newand's Park is flourishing with the privately run cafe and the community group of friends of Newand's Park working together with voluntary Scottish tennis bodies for the restoration of the tennis courts adjacent to the cafe. Finally, Paul Shields Bar Hall Trust within Maxwell Park where I acted as chief executive for three years increasing its turnover to £300,000. The building was acquired by a community group when Strathclide Regional Council wound up with a lottery grant for repairs. The building opened in the mid '90s with a clear business plan and community support. It offered on-site overnight accommodation in the form of luxury wedding suites for events from renovated Parkkeeper cottages. A varied list of trusted suppliers offering different hospitality packages were approved to suit every ethnicity and taste from curries for mendes, steak for weddings as well as vegan options. Some of these suppliers to the venue had their own following and they brought business to the trust. As a result, little marketing was required. People would often tell me they booked the burough hall because they knew all profit was plowed back into the community business. Most people in Glasgow know someone who's been to a wedding at Pollock Shields Burough Hall or a similar event. I will conclude by saying that I don't fully know what facilities the glass house has as I was prevented from doing a thorough on-site investigation um when someone found out that I was a member of reform. But if the Kibble Palace can achieve what it has, I'm sure Queens Park Glass Houses can too. Chamber. Nobody in the southside is short of banners, hashtags or public meetings. But what we are short of is people willing to say the words commercial or profit without flinching. Thank you. >> Can I ask the gallery please not to contribute or you may be asked to leave. Um can I now ask Iris Dwayne to be followed by Michelle Campbell. Thank you. >> Thank you deputy presiding officer and I too was proud to second the motion. Uh perhaps myself, Holly, and Paul should have shared notes before this because I can't imagine you're going to hear much we haven't heard from the fantastic contributions before. Colleagues, I must say I'm disappointed to find myself here on this fine Thursday evening. Certainly not because of the glass houses. Certainly not because of the cohort of incessant activists who have marked their ground and protected their community. And of course, not for the hard work of my green colleague, Holly Bruce, in both her capacity as a counselor and an MSP to empower the movement. But because of the underlying topic of the debate, just yesterday, barely even 24 hours ago, this chamber heard powerful speeches on the need for community, togetherness, integration, and local pride. Yet today, those notions hit the cold, hard reality of what they mean in practice. How can we build community with no community space? Where is local pride when the local areas are left to atrophy away? Is it really togetherness if we are consistently coming together to fight back against losing our spaces? I'm starting to feel a bit like a broken record in this place, but it must be highlighted. What happened at the glass houses isn't one isolated case. It is a continuation of the successive failures to protect our built heritage and community spaces to build an environment that everyone can thrive in and to reject manage decline. It is the same story with the CCA, with the Tronate 103, the Hillhead Baptist Church, and most recently even questioned desperately by almost all opposition in this chamber, including myself, the plans for the People's Palace and the Winter Gardens in the East End. We've all seen what happens when we gamble with our publiclyowned assets. What happens to our communities when we leave them behind in order to simply balance the books? Slow austerity is still austerity and I I'm glad our council has chosen to protect this space, but it must follow its own strategies and protect all of our communityowned assets with support from this place. Investing in our spaces is investing in our futures. It's investing in the social lives of our children, reducing isolation for the elderly, and working towards a more collegiate and coherent society. I need not remind colleagues nor the gallery the discursful scenes we've seen across our great city in recent months. Just late last week, affordable housing set on fire due to misinformation surrounding refugees and asylum seekers. The last thing we need right now is to reduce the ability for our communities to come together. Let's not isolate in the age of disinformation. Let's not give up on vibrant and thriving communities, something that every single one of my constituents deserves access to. Before I end this speech, I must pay heed and honor to the members of the Save Queen Park Glass Houses campaign, of which some join us here in the gallery today. Your continued drive to save this community asset is inspiring not just to myself, but to the thousands of people that have followed this campaign. Let the work that we do here in this chamber and the work that is done in Glasgow City Council in future make sure that you never need to come out again to access your basic right to community. Thank you so much to the presiding officer. >> Thank you. I call the final open speech from Michelle Campbell. >> Thank you very much presiding officer. Um I just want to um point members to my region of interest as I'm elected member council which I promise is going to be relevant to the conversation and that I'm a nurse in NHS which is also relevant to the point I'm going to make. Um I'm in the unique position um as the member for Remure North and Kadon to have both Remure and Glasgow um come together which sometimes obviously that can be a controversial statement in itself. Um however um although um the glass houses um is something that is not necessarily an era that is somewhere where I have had to speak about I've been very much aware having enjoyed glass houses as an east coaster now in the west and it's one of those unique offerings that I've found to be absolutely intriguing when I had the opportunity to see it and it reminds us of the importance of um heritage assets and the importance of recognizing that Glasgow's specific heritage around it is such a warmth when I was learning about the history about and I'm not going to go over the same things that have already been said about that history because it's been done so eloquently and so much better than I I would at this point in time. But for me ultimately I wanted to pay attention to the fact that listening to communities has always been the bread and butter of what has mattered to me in terms of the representation I have offered. And I think that it should be recognized how loud this community has spoken and worked so hard um in order to raise this issue, but more importantly to get positive action as well. The community of cohesion that's been spoken so well by Iris Dwayne, I align completely with her comments. Um and in order for us to get bad of bad faith actors, it's important that we all come together on that point. And I'll give way to my good friend David London. >> David London. very grateful to Miss Campbell for giving away and pay tribute also to to Holly Bruce. Um I unashamedly um I'm an East End politician and people who know Glasgow will know that crossing the river is is like the kind of thing you need to take your passport for. But all I would say to Miss Bruce and indeed to my fellow Glasgow MSPs is take heart and take hope. Look at the situation with the tocross winter gardens. There's now a beautiful nursery attached to that and it's in a vibrant space. It used to be an absolute wreck. Um, so although I will not seek to cross uh the river Clydes and I am unashamedly a very parochial East Ender, I would sue take take heart because it can be done. Thank you, >> Michelle Campbell. I thank him for his comments. He's absolutely his views and if he wants to get his passport, I'm sure we'll carry over that way. Um, so if I could just get get back on point with this. The point was made around mental health, but it's also physical health as well. Um I think that um where I will just disagree with um some of the commentary that came from Kim Schuman is was in relation to people being able to pay for a coffee elsewhere and paying that price. We do not want to be excluded in our spaces and creating that exclusion in our communities which were created to make them inclusive. Um so I think that you know where there are opportunities to look at where the investment those opportunities for investment are I think that was made very clear that that should be done collaboratively with the community. I think that community empowerment is powerful when it's done well and done right and public service reform is a major part of the Scottish government's focus and I think that this is an opportunity for us to look at how we utilize those community spaces, places and people and their skills and experiences to make Scotland better. That is ultimately something that I feel is really important. Um, as well as welcoming the minister to his new role, um, I also want to welcome um, councelor Ricky Bell to his new role at Glasgow City Council today. Um, I think that it is important to set the tone right and well, um, I, you know, there is consultation that is due to occur. I appreciate that it hasn't been a date set for that yet, but encourage all stakeholders, groups, and individuals to be heard. As part with that, when Ricky Bell was making his um statements today, he expressed clearly today his dedication to be a champion for the people of Glasgow and to work collaboratively with communities. Um I know the proof is in the pudding on that, but given it's just been an afternoon, I think that'll give him a bit of time to gain a bit of peace. But he has been a counselor for a long time, he is aware of where some of the realities of these situations are. H and I'm sure that my good friend over in Glasgow City, the new council leader, will open his door to those discussions to make sure that those things are done with communities. I look forward to see how these local communities, the ones that are sitting here in this chamber today as long as as well as the wider movement um move alongside with local political leaders, be that the counselors in the wards and the wider council look at the plans going forward to develop that long-term plan so that this situation doesn't happen again. I think the people's palace is a really good example where even with good intentions the structural complexities are the issues that are now causing those delays. So we don't want to have that for the future because we all have patches even in remar um I could mention several where we have those issues as well. So for the greater good of everyone we need to see a more proactive approach. Thank you. I now call uh Minister Alan Smith to respond to the debate and in doing so welcome him to his new role. >> Presiding officer, thank you very much and uh I'm very proud to represent the Scottish government in responding to this debate and very glad to be responding to Holly Bruce and such a positive debate where there really is a lot of consensus across the chamber from all points of the compass. Uh we had Holly Bruce made a very powerful speech with with which I disagreed with nothing. I'm glad to see that the Glasgow MSPs are united on this. Uh Paul Sweeney had a lot of good ideas and I would pay tribute to his advocacy for the built environment across Glasgow and elsewhere over the years. Uh he had a lot of good ideas about new uses for the building and I think that has to be where we all turn our minds going forward. He also made a really powerful point about public ownership and control of this space. And this was this was echoed by my friend Michelle Campbell. Uh and I'm also concerned about the privatization and commercialization of the public realm. And that is not what we want to see as a nation. We need to preserve our heritage. We need to preserve our spaces, making sure that they are free to access. And I'll come on to Glasgow City Council on that shortly. Uh Kim Schmullian uh made a a very good point, I think, where she said she's talking about it's not just a building, it's about love, care, and active community support. And I think that was a a powerful uh ethos. She also talked about partnership with the private sector, and I'm very open to that. Uh Patrick Harvey wants to intervene. >> Patrick Harvey, >> I'm grateful to the to the minister for giving way, and I also welcome him to his to his role. I just wonder in in relation to his reflection about a a member's speech about the role of community here, does he share, as I do, a deep discomfort with the gratuitous insults that a reform member made in the chamber yesterday against the community of Governing down everything about that community and insulting uh not only its representatives but its residents. Does he does he think that the member's speech this evening might have been improved if it included an apology for those remarks? Minister, I >> I was doing my best to have a lot of consensus in this debate, but I'm in furious agreement with Patrick Harvey. Yes, I am. I I believe community assets are the future. I'm very supportive in Sterling, the place I know best about transferring assets from the council to the community, but there has to be a sustainable plan for the asset. It has to be free to the public to access, but it does need to wash its face because we all have budgetary challenges. Uh so Iris Dwayne made a number of very good points uh particularly about the need for community spaces. I'm in very very strong agreement. My friend Michelle Campbell had a very powerful speech asking a question. >> Uh Michelle Campbell had a number of great points and particularly about recognizing how hard this community has worked to be heard and I'm very glad to see the community campaigners here today and very glad to respond to their concerns. Uh she also made a lot of points about the commercialized and privatized public space and as I say that is something very very much to to my uh the forefront of my mind. David Lindon made a really powerful point about the toll cross winter gardens. Uh there are solutions to this. There are good examples where a lot of good stuff can be done about this and the Queens Park glass house has been part of Glasgow life for over a century. My dad's from Queens Park. I'm a Glaswegian myself. If you go back far enough, there are happy memories for generations of families who've visited it, learned there, met there, found enjoyment there. Many people have powerful memories associated with it. And that connection really matters. But we also, while we're united in wanting to see this preserved and flourish, we need to recognize the challenges as well. We have to recognize the challenges it's facing, it does require substantial investment. These are long-standing issues relating to its condition and long-term sustainability. Everyone who cares about the future of the glass house shares that same starting point. We want to see this important heritage asset protected and given the best possible chance of a sustainable future. Scottish government recognizes the importance of historic buildings and public heritage spaces. Of course we do. Across Scotland, communities are grappling with similar challenges. Many historic buildings require substantial investment at a time when public finances remain under pressure. On that point, >> thank the minister for giving way a welcome into his place. Um an interesting example nearby might be the Queens Park Arena which was originally destroyed by fire in 1996 but the community councils around about took control of the site and developed a new public asset and it's managed by a community interest company not for profofit called in-house events which shows that whilst retaining some degree of public control and ownership um there can be ways to activate a a venue and be self- sustaining though of course it's a careful balance to strike between the council just sherking responsibility altogether >> minister >> I I really couldn't agree agree more. I think community ownership of sustainable assets is going to be a a great thing for a lot of communities up and down the length and breads of Scotland, not just Glasgow. So, I am glad and I'm grateful for the engagement I've had from Glasgow City Council that there is a certain >> Thank you so much. Um thank you um deputy presiding officer. Um, in terms of um, the future, you mentioned about um, the need for capital funding and I laid out in my speech a few options that could be explored in terms of council tax reform, in terms of EMV2 money within the planning framework and also in terms of capital funding from the UK government. Is he um, open to sitting down with me and the glass house campaigners to discuss those options and would he agree to meet with me in uh, Queens Park Glass House? Minister, >> I'm grateful for being put on the spot and very happy to agree. I'm conscious I'm standing in for the cabinet secretary, Mari McCallen. So, we we might have a discussion about who that should be, but I'm very supportive of this and I I know the cabinet secretary is as well. But Glasgow City Council has made a commitment. It's got primary responsibility. It's got ownership of the building. It is going to keep the building in public ownership and it's going to explore the long-term financial options and it will remain open while that is underway. So the arguments made today remind us of the value of the glass house and it can't be measured in just financial terms. We need this public realm. We need to see sustainable futures for them. And that's why the Scottish government continues to support Scotland's historic environment through a range of programs and partners. It's not going to be one sizefits-all. I'm very supportive of community ownership in Sterling, my bit of the world. I want to see it happen elsewhere. And if the Scottish government can do things with local campaigners and with local leaders like we've seen today, I'm very very open to do that as is the cabinet secretary. So I'm grateful to Holly Bruce and others for this debate today and look forward to working with you on this point. Thank you presiding officer. >> Thank you. That concludes our debate and I close this meeting of the parliament.