Member Q & A via Zoom (Jul 2026) 2 of 2

[music] Welcome to another Wiki Tree member Q&A via Zoom session. My name is Betsy Co. We started the series back in 2022 to give WikiTers a chance to ask their questions in real time. Screen sharing on Zoom allows us to look at and edit profiles while we chat. No topic is off limits and we always want to remind folks that no question is too basic. Now, let's get to it. Hello everyone. I would say good morning, but it may not be morning for everyone. Who knows? It could be afternoon, it could be evening. So, hello. Hello. Hello. I'm Denise Jarrett. Um, and I'm one of the co-hosts. You'll see. Um, I'm joined by the other three co-hosts here. I've been a member of Wiki Tree since 2020. Still learn something new every day because of my co-hosts here. They always bring something new that I didn't know. So, uh, without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and introduce you to Murray. >> Well, hi everyone. uh Marie Maloney here and I'm a retired technical author editor and uh I do some of that kind of work here on Wiki Tree with the web browser extension. You can see my background is uh the enhanced by Wiki Tree browser extension. That's part of what I bring to these sessions um is my knowledge of of how to use those tools. And um and we have with us uh Steven Greenwood who's who brings brings to the table his deep knowledge of using wikis and his experience with the uh with with German genealogy. Stephen, >> you just said everything for me. Murray today. [laughter] >> Well, hi. I'm Stephen and uh yeah, I am Wiki Nerd. Uh actually I just uh celebrated my sixth anniversary here on Wik Tree on July 23rd. Uh so that that's 6 years again 2020 and the same year I came in as Denise and yeah I just all around kind of Wiki Nerd in terms of you know knowing kind of layout the codes and you know like the different templates and the different uh uh you know categorization structures and anything that could be helpful for somebody to do better research. Right. Right? We we want to find multiple ways to access these profiles or these data points. We want our cousins to identify them. We we want them to see what we're working on to create better collaboration. Um that that is kind of the point of of wikis in general is that we're all together working on this collaboratively regardless of what the subject is. Uh but you know, in this case, family history, it's it's a really big one for me. So that's again that's why I'm part of this project. Just gonna let Anna into the room here. Uh without that, I can hand it over to Hillary. >> Yeah. Well, I think of all of us, I've been on Wiki Tree the longest. Um I actually joined [clears throat] in uh 2011, so a long time. In fact, today is an quite an anniversary for me. an anniversary um in two respects because um one of my family members passed away on this date quite a few years ago and on exactly the same day um his granddaughter was born. So um it was a bittersweet day shall we say. So um but um yeah so I'm busy trying to sort out a lot of things with Jedcom at the moment. um a lot of things um biocheck has um highlighted a lot of profiles that may be on sourced um that were Jedcom and a lot of them are Jedcom common ports. So, I'm going through a lot of the ones for some of the counties that that I am lead a couple of the counties that I'm leader for in the England project and um going through and sorting out some of the Jedcoms, trying to clean up the Jedcons and see if they've actually got any decent sources on them at all. Um but it's interesting what you find on some of these profiles. Um, at the moment I've just highlighted them being doing the orphaned ones um because obviously nobody's managing them in the hopes that some of the managers might have done some on theirs before I uh get [snorts] to handle some of the ones where somebody's already managing that profile. So >> awesome. Right. >> I don't know if we want if anybody um any of our guests today have got any questions or anything that they'd want some help with. Um I'm not sure if any of you are new particularly anyone that's new, we can uh we can try perhaps try and help you a bit. So [snorts] um with that um I will um I say I can't see anything in the chat so I don't know if any of our guests want to speak up. Yeah, I think Ann mentioned previously uh before we started that she had some questions, some things that she's encountered recently. >> Yes. Um I was wondering on my watch list I do um I'm I'm doing research status uh unfinished and I was wondering uh on my watch list how can I do only see my unfinished on my uh research status. >> Oh, you can actually filter that in your watch list. Yeah. So, you can see I'm I'm kind of over the limit. That's another no no. I'm working on it. Working on it. [laughter] But you you you've got a a a column here to the far right that says RS and that stands for research status, >> right? >> Yeah. If you click on that, that will sort your watch list by your research status. Now I Yeah, I don't I don't have uh much by way of research status here. The CR is for >> the other way. >> Yeah. Is for the content rank, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. I love because during the fun what I was doing is I was doing unfinished >> for a lot of my profiles and it was easier you know just to go to the unfinished and do all the you know red redo the whole profile and do a whole all sorts of things to it so forth. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good. And also with that sort, um, a lot of the ancestry and family search has lots of sources for the same, you know, like five by uh, five bursts, five deaths and whatever. How many should you put in a uh, profile? All of them >> in in in terms of sources, you mean? >> Yeah. Right. >> I mean, I I would say that if they're all valid, >> yeah, >> you know, they might be duplicates, but at least then we're uh attributing for all of the duplicates and and in case there's any inconsistencies between them. >> Okay. >> I mean, cuz cuz it could be that it's it's coming from a slightly different record. It might not be the exact same page. It might be the index, right? Um, >> so I I feel like as long as we have access to it, we probably should link it in case that maybe the link to one of them goes away or they get merged or something so we still have the original. >> Okay. Okay. I I'm one of those all-inclusive sort of documentaries. It's like, okay, if it exists, I want to have access to it. >> Me, too. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to throw in here that um if you've got uh a record that is is the actual record, so a birth record or or marriage record, um then that takes primacy. That that should be the first one in the list, right? You may have a lot of others that are simply indexes. And so what you'll find some in some cases is that um you know for a given neighborhood or for a given period in history or whatever that you'll have a lot of indexes covering some person right you might have one original record and and 12 indexes and in that case I find that unless unless the index is particularly important for some reason I tend to leave those indexes off rather than have a a long list of of you know. >> Right. Yeah. >> I thought so too. or or what I do is I do like the pro the main one uh the one that has the image and then the rest of them I you I mostly put in the sources and leave that be you know and do a more cleaner bio you know than having one two three four five you know [laughter] >> all at once. Okay. But at least they're you're using inline citations, which is still cleaner than, you know, putting all the sources typed out. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and and and I I agree with both what Steve and and Murray have said and typically what I've been doing because as I go through, you know, over time, you improve your your research capabilities and how you're documenting things either in ancestry or family search. And I will actually clean this up before I move it over. Do my sorcerer to move it over to Wiki Tree. >> Yeah. >> So if I had something here Yeah. If I had something here that was extra, then I would clean it up first. Yeah. >> And and then do my sorcerer. >> Yeah. Because Yeah. because because I just saw one in family search that had 42 sources [laughter] >> and and there were eight for the marriage. I said, "Yeah, I don't think I'm going to add all eight, you know." >> Yeah. >> Can we merge sources on those sites then or or do they still have to be treated as separate entities? I think um saucer can bring in the various sources for you and you can and I mean I've got saucer set so it only brings in the sources that actually they're actually for that particular individual like so if some of them are like baptisms where somebody's mentioned as the father or the mother it will it will bring them in for that individual's profile because they should really go on the on the person that's being baptized um and just and and So, I tend to use that and it you can get them so that it brings in a thing and it puts several several sources onto one um uh narrative that you've got in but um sometimes if I go sometimes if I it looks if I haven't actually create added most of it myself I will sometimes go through and have a look and make sure that they are actually the right sources because I've noticed that on family search recently some of them have been way off. They perhaps were right when they were attached, but some of them have somehow got changed and they they're bringing in really weird things with completely different names on and things. So, um I do like to be careful and and ancestry. I probably would only import from either my tree that I've my own tree that I've created because my tree is private anyway and my main tree >> or I would do it from somebody whose tree I trusted and I saw and they had the right sources. >> You know, I I during the thawn I was adding some things from um a tree that my cousin had created, but some of what they created only had um ancestry trees on it. So, I wasn't going to bring in that. I would have I'd bring it in from somewhere else. Um, or just bring in the individual sources. >> Now, I did want to add to that is that if a person's mentioned in a record and we can't really find any records for themselves that are like birth, marriage, or death, >> like those are still referencable because we want to show that they existed as a person, right? like parents. Parents might be hard to find in certain areas, especially when we cross the pond. >> And so the reference, you know, of them showing up at somebody else's baptism or somebody else's marriage record is like enough to at least establish that they were real, right? >> Mhm. >> Like we can do that, you know, we could still do that as a a source. >> Nothing nothing restricting us from doing that. I would probably not nowadays add a profile unless I had at least one thing that actually proved a location or something like that because too often a a a location of somewhere like somebody was born in England. Um yeah, we never find we never find out where they were or or people don't even put where they were born or [clears throat] died or got married or anything on a profile just but just the fact that they were the parent of somebody. I usually try and make sure in the child's profile there is at least a um reference to [laughter] who the parent was so that you know like >> we'll write it in the narrative. >> Yeah. Yeah. But then that might be a brick wall until it gets figured out. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I there's um I know there's a challenge, another challenge, wicked tree challenge coming up and I noticed I recognized the surname in uh to given to one of them women in there that's married. No, no spouse. So, I recognized the surname and did a bit of research this morning and I probably know who the father, not father, who the spouse is. And I think the spouse has actually got a profile on Wiki Tree. >> So, um, you know, come that challenge, I could put the two together and and that and I know that somebody's got a one name study for that surname. And I know the person who's got the one name study and they didn't have it on their website. So, I will probably then be contacting them to tell them that I think I may have found something for you. [laughter] So, yeah. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, Hillary is kicking butt. >> Taking names. >> Yeah. >> Anymore? Did you have anything else, Ann? >> Nope. That was it. Thanks a lot. >> That was it. Piece of cake. [laughter] >> Sorry. >> We have the new guest in the uh >> Shar. Yeah, >> Zoom here. Sharon has come in. So, >> Oh, good. >> Hello, Sharon. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Did you have any particular questions or >> wiki tree is driving me crazy? Well, it's a steep learning curve. >> Um, ancestry, which I rejoined, um, is horribly messed up. I don't know what went wrong with that, but everything on there is just messed up. So, I'm not I'm trying to straighten it out. Now, family search I do have and it's and I'm that's doing very well. I want to copy a lot of that over to Wiki. And one thing that did happen with wiki with family search is I put in my husband's mother's name, mothers and father's name, and all of a sudden it exploded into the massive amount of names that I'd love to put on Wiki Tree that was carry carefully researched by his cousin years ago back in the 1990s. It's very well documented. He even went over to Ireland and did research over there. So that I can trust and I would love to be able to put that on Wiki Tree. >> Certainly. >> Um, are you familiar with Wiki Tree? Are you familiar with Wiki Tree Sourcer? >> I am on edge. I have Wiki Tree uh Sorcerer. I put it in, but I have no idea how to how to do it. Oh, >> I don't think it works in Microsoft Edge, does it? >> Yes, it does. >> It does. >> It does. Yes, it does. >> It's like Chrome. It's like It's like It's Chrome one. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sharon, what's what's your user ID? >> Uh, user ID is Sharon 62622. >> Is Sharon your first name? >> Yeah. Sharon Marjgerie Gette Taylor, >> right? So, would it be Taylor or would it be a different surname? >> Uh, be Taylor, but my name my name on Wiki Tree is Sharon 62622. My name on there is Sharon Marieette Taylor. >> I never seen the first name. Let me see where I'm at here. Um, wik wiki tree. Uh, oh, I wait on wiki tree. I'm I'm sorry. I'm giving you my Facebook or my uh family search name. I'm sorry. My wiki tree name is uh Sharon parenthesis brette and parenthesis Taylor. >> What's the number? Um tree >> my wiki tree um >> mine is your my last uh my last name if you're Lisy and my wiki tree number is your Liy 11. >> Okay, Sharon. Okay, my wiki tree number. Let me get that. Uh >> if you go to your profile, you should be able to find it in the upper right corner. It'll indicate your last name at birth dash a number. >> That was it. Um, they're all so different. Brazette-93. >> Okay, >> there's too many to keep track keep track of all this stuff. Okay, >> how do you spell brette? >> B as in boy. R as in Ral. E as in Edward. S as in Sam. E as in Edward. T as in Tom. T as in Tom. Okay. Sharon Pette Taylor. And you looking at Yep. And you're looking at >> your your grandmother. You said >> uh this would be my >> uh uh which one? Okay. What I was just talking about was my husband's mother >> was the one that exploded. And I'd love to put all that stuff over onto Wiki Tree. Are are you going to share, Murray? >> Uh, I'm not because um because uh you you don't have your husband attached here on Wiki Tree, >> so I can't There's nothing to There's nothing to see. >> Help me with that if you would. Let me get >> you have your daughters. >> Daughter. I don't have a daughter. I have a son. >> Let's see where where my wiki tree here. Okay, that's I'm looking Um, >> I must be looking. >> Okay, here's my tree. Let me see. Behind my tree here somewhere. Um, >> B R E S E T. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um, oh, okay. I don't have my spouse on there. Okay. All right. Can we can you walk me through that? >> Okay. Create a new or connect an existing profile. May maybe I can but the first the first question will be is your spouse living. >> Yes. >> Then I can't help you with it. >> Okay. Well, just help me. No, help me connect him. >> Okay. Can do I you connect an existing profile a spouse and see if he's there? >> Okay. I don't. Okay. Let's go to create a new profile for her spouse. Continue. First name at birth. uh Carl uh middle name Richard >> and don't announce any living person information. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Because if he's living he's considered private until he joins the site. You know we we invite him. >> Uh but you you'll want to keep all of his data private for the time being. You know >> sorry about that. >> It's okay. Yeah. This is being recorded just so you're aware. Um, so but but let's skip over that part. So, so you have um you you you he has ancestors >> and you would like to add them to to Wiki Treat. >> Yes. Yes. >> And could you identify the the family search ID for one of those ancestors and and then we can help you figure out how to >> Okay. Yeah. Let me go over here. I've got family, sir. I've got >> We can look at lots of deceased people. That's not an issue. >> Okay. Um >> and so that this is this is useful because it's going to it's going to show you some tricks about how to accomplish things. Okay. So, um I put in the first >> she never she never used Davis much. She her preferred first name was either was Pauline or Paulie. Mhm. So that would be her first preferred first name. >> Yeah. Her preferred first name, she used Pauline or Paulie, but her m her birth name was Avis Pauline. >> Some records will have the name Avis in it. >> So I've run into >> Okay. So what what what I've done is put in some of her names. >> I put in the birth birth year. >> Name would be Polly. >> Yeah. But we don't have to go that far. >> Okay. So, so, so with just this, this much information, okay, I'm able to go over here and click on the sorcerer >> and say find this person in family search. >> Okay. >> Her father's already on. >> So, there she is. >> No, that's not her. No, no, no, no. That's not her at all. Um, >> the one that got married in >> That's a different one. Uh it's all in in okay the counseling Dougen where she married Ger Gerwood Cruz down the third one. Okay. The second and third one are her >> and then there's another marriage after that. >> Well, let's just go with that. >> Davidson County is Nashville and that's >> Yeah. >> So, we go to that one and we check and and uh Pauline married Gilbert Derwood Coun's last name. That's the right That's the right person. >> Okay. >> That's the right person. She was married after that and her name her death name was uh Taylor. T A Y L O R. This was her. >> She was married again then. This is her first. >> Okay. And so just let me get get back there. Um sorry. The first marriage is Co. Coun and Taylor, right? >> So let's get those. >> The second one is Taylor. But the first record was not her then >> because that one had Taylor at the end. >> No, that was a different I didn't know there was another one somewhere, but no, that's not her. >> Taylor. Okay. >> Okay. So, I'm going to do the search over again. >> Now, we've got some additional names in there. >> So, we know that her her final married name was Taylor, >> but she was also a coun, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we're going to do do the search again. Whittle it down. >> 18,000. >> There's couns. >> Okay. >> I'm not sure at all. None of those are >> never never lived anywhere but >> Tennessee. >> Okay. And there there's there's Gilbert. >> Yeah. >> So, we have two marriage records for Gilbert. >> And oh, we've got a another we got three marriage records. Gilbert. Oh wow. >> And >> as the record changes county marriages >> that one 26 of February 27. Yeah. Warren. That's her. >> She died in Warren County, Tennessee. Okay. Yeah, there's an I7. >> So let's go look at this one. >> SSDI >> to see whether it's attached. Oh, look. There we go. So sometimes >> county place of residence Carl >> and that's the family search ID that um Hillary too. >> So sometimes when you look at a record >> and you look down the right side here you'll see it's attached in tree. >> Sometimes you don't get that >> but some but sometimes you do. And so >> she's already there. We click that and we see that there are four sources for this AIS Pauline Dugen >> and let's see what the sources are. >> So she did not die right there's her there's her uh >> um Ava Pauline Avis but it's not that it's whoever put that on her her uh tombstone. We just discovered that her tombstone um has her name incorrect. Her name is Avis Pauline and some idiot put Pauline Avis on her had that carved on her tombstone. >> Yeah, that that's usually handled by the funeral home. So, whoever arranged for the burial of of Avis, um you'd have to go back to that funeral home and and see what they put in their records because they're usually the ones that give the information to the stone cutter. >> When you have a headstone, you're usually ordering a headstone through the cemetery, through the funeral >> the stone was already there, so it she was added to it, but >> she grabbed on to it. Mhm. That funeral home is gone. That funeral pun home is gone now. >> Interesting. Practice. >> But I I don't know who did it. It was Carl and his brother. But he also I think his brother's wife may have >> had a hand in that and didn't know what she was talking about. >> And that would be pretty costly to change it. So you may just want to live with it. >> It's just weird. She ended up in Arkansas for a burial even though she was in Tennessee. >> No. Oh, that's messed up because coffee >> Shady Grove, somebody put that wrong. There probably is a Shady Grove there, but that's a Shady Grove here in and >> here. >> We have to click on the find a grave itself. Yeah, let's click on find a grave and see what that actually says because it should be Shady Grove Cemetery in Coffee County, Tennessee, not Lafayette County, Arkansas. >> Exactly. >> So, just click on the image. Uh, Murray, go ahead and click on find a grave and then go to find a grave. And what does that actual page say? Um, Shady Grove Cemetery, Coffee County. So, that's accurate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's just that the index is not. >> How [snorts] How do we change that index? >> Oh, they say uh uh >> edit the index. >> Uh, Family Search is going strange with uh Find a Grave. So, what you So, what people have to do now is go straight to find a grave and put it straight into the profile. Yeah, >> if you go to the bottom, that's what I use. >> All right, so let's let's try let's do this. >> I don't use the index because of this problem. >> We've we've got this and what we're going to do is grab it and then we're going to edit it. Okay. >> Okay. So, up here, that little thing up there is where you grab it. Okay. >> We don't even really want to save that index because that's not the right info anyway. Like, we want to go I'm going to replace it once I once I do this. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So, I'm going to save person data >> and just keep what you need. >> Probably knows that there's a real >> come back over here >> and I'm going to say set the fields from the person data that I just took. Okay. So, it's it grabs it all >> and um it it replaced it. It well didn't replace anything. Doug and Taylor. It's all >> updated the birth information, the death information. >> Now, and the birth location is correct. That's where she was born. Right. >> Murray, let me let me ask you because I I've noticed this a a couple times. Up in the first name field, you have both the first name and the middle name. Why aren't you using the middle name field for the middle name? >> Um, well, in in in in all of the cultures that I belong to, we don't have middle names. We have names. >> Ah, gotcha. >> Sorry. Sorry. That's not that's not true. In one of the cultures I belong to um we use the middle name to place the name of the father. >> Ah >> okay it's sort of sort of like no well a Macedonian >> which is which is sort of the way that the Russians do it right. You'll so >> so you'll you know you'll have an Ivan Petrovvic >> um you know and and then the family name and the Petrovich is saying the son of Peter. >> Okay. Okay. But but in the US we we are using the middle name. So so Pauline would actually go into the middle name field. [clears throat] >> Assume that is the first name and Pauline is the middle name. Right. So >> based on the family information we've heard >> kind of making an assumption there. >> That is correct. Yeah. >> Based on what Sharon has said so far, that is her middle name. >> Yeah. Carl confirmed that is her middle name. >> Now, I also wanted to bring up another thing. I I'm sorry. >> Um I just wanted to say really quick that we kept seeing Canon County and the Deaf Index stuff, but it looked like that was her last residence before she was buried in Murphy'sboro. >> Yeah, she was in a in a uh >> No, no, no, sorry. >> No, she was buried in a different county, died in Murphreey'sboro, lived in Canon County. So, so it's like there's three different places we're dealing with here. Like residence, death location, burial. >> They didn't live in canon. Why would they have canon? >> I don't know. >> She might have been on a trip or something, right? Maybe maybe she lived >> maybe she was in a nursing home that's in the next county over. >> Right. Right. I think Kenny County, Rford County are not too far away from each other. And so if she was in residence at Murphy'sboro, that's where she died. But but it wasn't like where she lived lived. Right. Um, >> no. >> And then [clears throat] >> Ray and Juwel are her parents. That's what we've got there. That's That's correct. >> Oh, she lived in Memphis, too. >> Well, she was married to a military man. And they did move around. >> You were in Memphis for a bit, weren't you, Carl? >> Looks like she was three when she was in Memphis, according to that source. >> Oh, three in Memphis. Oh, three. When she was Oh, that would have been when her father was when her father >> as a little girl. Yeah. She was there as a little girl. >> Raised her father. >> They moved around a bit. >> And then they went to They still were in Shelby County, which is Memphis when she was 13. Okay. So, she didn't come into the Nashville area until adulthood. Now, >> who's Emirate Dougen? >> Is that Ray? Okay. Is what? >> Emirate. >> Who's Who's Emirate? Doug. >> Emirate is her uh Emirate is Emirate Ray. >> It's Emir. It's Em M. Mm. Okay. E M E T. >> Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. Family Search. >> Yeah. Ray was the middle Ray was the middle name >> and they called him Ray. >> Yeah. He went by another one that went by the man. Emma is correct. Emtt Ray. Yeah. >> Yeah. And Emtt Ray is actually on Wiki Tree. He already has a profile on Wik. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah, he does have a prof. >> Okay, we'll come to that. >> Like I ran into that in Canada. Every every girl was named Mary or something like that and they they used Mary Jane, Mary Joan, Mary Susan, you know, and then all the girls went by the middle name. How far >> had to keep them separate? Yeah. >> Not easy. I have five generations of Agnes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, did she die in She died in Warren. >> Yeah. >> And she was buried in >> But she wasn't buried in Arkansas. >> So, this is all wrong. >> Yeah. That needs to be replaced. >> That's completely wrong. >> We're going to get rid of that. We really should just go to find a grave and use their citation. Yeah, there it is. >> Okay, so here we are >> and we're going to build narrative with citation. >> Awesome. >> I could never have figured this out. I appreciate it. >> Well, it doesn't help if the information online is wrong. Right. So, we are trying to identify the locations accurately and fix that information on our end and maybe the rest of the internet might catch up. But it it's like hurting cats sometimes. >> Okay. >> So, we've got her family ID here. Now, we need to go back uh to stuff that we were looking at earlier. >> Now, Larry and Carl, are they living or are they dead? >> Uh Carl, uh Carl is alive. Larry is deceased. >> Okay. So, we probably shouldn't mention both of them on the profile of one's still living. >> Okay. >> Right. going to just do the marriage first if that's okay. >> That's one. And then she she married again >> and that that the second husband adopted Carl and Larry. So they have his last name. >> That's interesting. I wonder if Tina has got a connection because that's her last name, too. >> And what I'm going to do now >> Uhhuh. is now now that we've got everything that we can get out of Family Search and find a grave, I'm going to go see whether we can find something off of Ancestry. >> Oh god. >> Maybe ancestry right now. >> Maybe the Taylor marriage. >> So we've got we've got an obit. Um >> I guess mentions Larry. >> Yeah, >> Larry and Carl. >> Yeah. She looked McMinnville would be Warren County. So that's >> Yes, that's where they lived. >> That's where they lived. >> It's about 40 miles away from Burgers. >> Yeah. >> OIT OIT from Clarksville. For the record, I actually >> Here's Social Security. >> This is beautiful. >> Oh, look. We got Oh, look at that. >> Got a whole collection. >> Yeah. So, we got the social security record and I'm going to make that a source citation. So, >> we're just going to go down here, put that in there. There's the social security. And I'm just going to move this. Make it easier. Uh, okay. So, we've got the find a grave. We've already got that. We've got the 30 and 40 census already. We got the couns marriage record. So that's fine. Um, >> does that newspaper obituary look like? What does that say? >> This one? >> Yep. >> Oh, let >> That's a That's a newspaper clipping of her obituary. So, I usually look actually at the newspaper clipping and not pay a lot of attention to the index because that could be wrong. But I look at the actual if you click on that image, you'll be able to pull up if you have newspapers.com, you'll be able to pull up that image. Okay. >> I I don't. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to add it as a source citation. >> Okay. >> And and and then somebody can come in behind me. >> Yep. >> And I can look at it. >> Turn that into something more useful >> because one thing about >> Yeah. One thing nice about newspapers child is that they have the funeral services and it's good to see the funeral services and who was the revenue and how many people were you know >> okay >> but I I could see that there was something wrong with that index because when it go when you go back and it's trying to list children it's listing Smyrna as a child and Smyrna is a place in Rford County so >> I didn't even spell it spell it right it's not even spelled right >> yeah I I mean indexing is a is a human act well >> it's either a AI or human activity and sometimes they get information wrong. So that's why I like to look at the actual document >> and read it for myself. >> Uh >> yeah but just so the information doesn't continue to get wrong like they think there's a person named Smyrna, >> right? >> That would be accurate because there's a place in Northford County named Smyrna. in between Nashville and Murphy'sboro >> and it's S M Y R N A [laughter] >> broken up because the computer was trying to translate what it saw on the page and sometimes the the what is the OCR doesn't convert correctly or something when it's trying to move it over into that text. >> Uh yeah, the indexing can be bad a lot of times. So, it's good. >> This is why I am I am so very careful with Wiki Tree to try and make sure I'm putting accurate, verifiable, and verified information in there. >> Awesome. Yeah, that that's what we'd like to hear. And and of course, uh in in Ancestry, uh when you see information that's incorrect, you can submit a a correction to that record. So, uh, I I'm not a big family search user, so I don't know whether or not you can do that in family search. >> You can do it in family search. >> Family search, I can correct it myself. >> Yeah. >> And I put in there, I'm I am the granddaughter. I ought to know what I'm talking about. Or I'll put something similar that I am the great granddaughter. I know this is correct. >> So, make sure that people >> Yeah. Does this seem right that she attended Central High School in Nashville? >> Carl, did she go to Central High School in Nashville? >> It makes sense if she was in Memphis at first at 13. So, they could have moved to Nashville. That's only 200 miles away. >> He could have. >> There's There's the class photo there. So, he might be able to >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, her Yeah, that's got the names on it, too. >> Just a minute. We'll go back for that. >> I mean, we can't we can't completely assume it's the same person, but if if it's verifiable and you have an image, >> where would they be hiding? >> Down there and all that. >> You'd have to look because they lived in different places. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Anyway, so there's you because I've added it as a as a citation, >> you'll be able to follow this link and come back to it. >> Yeah. >> And see if you have um see if you can recognize her. >> Gosh, they Carl would recognize her. We've got very little. After his mother died, his aunt went in and took everything without the boy's permission. Wouldn't share anything. Uh and then um Carl's brother got some stuff, some photos, had some photos, things, but we got nothing. So, we have very little. We have a few photos. Um, Carl, where's that photo? The photo on the wall. >> No, the one of you, you and and Bert up on the wall up here. >> That's Charleston. >> That was made. That was in Charleston. They lived in Charleston when she was married to Bert for a time. He was in the military and moved. Can you hand me that photo if you would? That's Bert Taylor. >> Yeah, that's him. Bert Bobby Taylor. That's B O B I E >> Taylor. >> That's not this guy. >> No, that's Eugene. Okay. I don't know if that's going to come in clear or not. Probably not. Well, that's that's in Birmingham. Were they ever living in Alabama? >> She was born. Yeah. Okay. >> Well, this is as a >> Okay. We're going to I was trying to hold that up. It won't show up. >> That's not her children, right? >> Uh Marl is her child. We're We're here. >> She would have been a child at this point. This is 193. >> Linda Taylor. Some of those are him. No, that's not here. That's not it at all. >> Okay. >> Somebody else. >> Okay. >> Dun and >> she and were in Charleston for a time with >> Here's the here's here's another trick I do. >> Okay. >> I try and try and share with everybody when I do it. Uh >> um so I don't know if you saw what I just did. I I selected family trees. >> Okay. >> So, >> so when you when you do a search, let's let's just go back. When you do a search on somebody, you get this page. >> Okay. And it'll show you one family tree up here and then it'll show you a bunch of records. But if you click here and go to family trees, now you find that there are >> there are 27 people 27 trees on ancestry that mention Paulie Navis Dugen. Okay. So now we go look at that >> and we say okay there's 27 of them >> and there's Bobby Taylor that Makulla is was in there. Makulla was her her mother's maiden name. >> Yep. >> And there's Bert. Bert. Bobby Taylor. Yeah. >> Let's go look >> consistency. >> She died in Nashville, but again, that's the next county over. >> Oh, what a lovely picture. >> Which one? But that's her. >> Now, we can cross reference that with the skull yearbook. But >> it's a lot of people to look through. >> There's the marriage to Bobby. Yep. Bobby now we can go look at that >> they got married in McMinnville. Awesome. >> And that tree has the yearbook photo attached as well. >> Okay. >> Grab this. >> So that it's always a good, you know, reference. I don't I don't rely on other trees, but I do use them as a reference when I'm researching individuals >> reflecting the sources out of these various trees. I mean, all multiple trees. Again, we're all trying to consolidate it into one, >> the important thing for us is to have the sources for everybody, >> right? >> I'm not using the tree. I'm using the sources. >> Yeah. We're not fighting the trees, >> their branches, if you will. >> Okay. So, we got that marriage record. So, that's good. >> Very good. >> And we got a city directory, got the yearbook, and we got the find. narrative. >> I don't know. She was >> I I would never have been able to figure this out without your help. >> Yeah. Yeah, you would. We We'd We We'd help you. [clears throat] >> Just take It just takes time. >> It's a lot. So, okay. So, >> saying my my family is long lived. >> So, I'd never I'd never live long enough to figure this out. Tell him he goes back around 1630s. >> He goes back to the 1630s and his family. Three brothers that came over here and and uh got land grants. >> Let's hope she's not already on the Oh, >> she goes back. That's why I'm I would love to have this on Wiki Tree because his family is just explodes way back. >> No, she's not. >> None of these are a match. >> Good. We just >> I don't think any of them are. You put all that work into it, it'd be horrible to find a profile already on the site. >> Yeah, but we but I but I I know for certain that her [laughter] her father's on this on Wikiped's ID. >> Her father's ID is We'll put it in the chat. Um >> I can't see the chat. >> Dougen Dugen 123. >> One, two, three. >> He's in there. >> Is that correct? >> There it is. EMTT Ray. EMTT Ray. >> There he is. >> And parents attach that. So, this might be pushing backwards. >> Hammond County. Yeah. >> Proceed to connect father. >> That may get you closer to connecting to the big tree. >> Go ahead and click on ancestors and see what happens. >> They're talking about you. Your well, your well, your mom. >> Oh, look at all those [snorts] >> and the Mcnites and the Owens and the Coopers. D U G G I N. >> Yeah. Well, I I'm mispronouncing Gary. >> They're from Woodbury. >> That's fine. Now, let's go back here. >> I used to dig up rocks. >> See >> what we can find out about Jewel. >> Oh, another lovely picture. >> So, now let's see whether we can find >> Jewel. Grandma >> on Family Search. >> Mima. He calls her Mima. >> Mima. She's She's definitely on there because she's attached to um EMTT. >> She is. >> Okay. >> Yeah. On on Family Search. >> They had They had one child that um got >> Oh, on Family Search. She's attached. >> She's attached. Yeah, his wife's attached on the Family Search. Definitely, >> but she does not exist on Wiki Tree yet. >> Okay. Yeah. There's Julian Ray. Ray has >> nine sources. >> They got Ray there, but his name was Emtt Ray. >> Yep. EMTT Ray. >> Yeah, there's Emtt Ray child that died very young. >> Oh, nobody's a profile manager. So, you could adopt that. >> Yeah. >> Or she she can adopt that. I'm I'm not [laughter] talking about her. I'm not saying you need to take it. Don't worry. No. >> Yeah. >> So, here's here we've got Jewel >> and she has nine sources. So, again, I'm going to save person data [clears throat] like that. >> Go back to EMTT and add a spouse. Just create new profile. I got to go over here and I'm going to say set fields from person data for Juwel. Okay, there we go. [laughter] >> And it also remembers the last person you dealt with, Pauline. So, it's uh >> okay, >> remembering that. >> So, we're going to make her middle name. >> I I >> There we go. Okay. And >> no deaf location. >> Do you know where she died? Carl where? >> Yeah. >> Warren County. McMinnville. >> Okay. So, what's McMillan County? >> Okay. >> I mean, you know, we could add it. We just don't have a source for it yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It is up there in 1978. It is in there when she died. >> We just need to add the location. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> McMinnville warrant. Yeah. McMinnville, Warren County. >> Yeah. MC M I N V I L L E. >> Correct. >> With the capital M as the second the men is capitalized. >> Yes. It says she was buried. Yeah. In >> that's a right burial. She was buried in Huntsville, Alabama. >> Cass Minnesota doesn't seem right. >> Yeah. This has a burial in in Minnesota. >> We're saying this is wrong. >> Died at November. >> Minnesota is wrong. That's >> I don't know where that is, but >> and the and the 1985 is probably wrong as well. >> It's the darn index again. We have to go to >> Yeah, that's that family search. >> Yeah, it's family. >> Yeah, she was not residing. >> Everything is so wrong. >> Death in Tela. And no, that's wrong, too. She died. >> She went in Talladega, Alabama. >> Yeah, she died in McMinnville. She was buried >> in Huntsville, Alabama. >> Okay. >> That's where their first child who died at 2 years old is >> that's where she's from is Alabama. So, she was just buried back home. >> Yeah. Where have they got the jewel eye? What? Where did that eye come after? >> Oh. Oh, okay. They don't have the It's Go up. Go up and see. I think you've got an X an I in there somewhere. >> Take the space out between Mick and Men. >> Yeah. Go up above. Did you put Go up and I think you've got an I after her name. >> Irene. >> No, you don't. No, there's Jewel. Okay, never mind. >> Jewel. Irene. >> Irene. >> That's correct. That's correct. Yeah, for the record. She's not got a full name. >> But I just saw >> Yeah, that's correct. Death location with menville. That's good. >> Okay, right here. Look what they got. Jewel something. That That whole thing looks weird. >> It's so messed up on their end. But >> uh Yeah. So then then we just have to add United States to def location so we don't have a a location error because it'll start Tennessee as a country. >> Um >> just a moment. I'm just looking for the >> Yeah, that jewel and it I I don't know why the >> ancestry profile looks like that, but then I'm also not surprised. >> Yeah, it's like we say about New York. We've got upstate New York and then we got the different country of New York City, >> the country of New York City. [laughter] You'd have to live there. >> But but still, New York is not a country period. So it's like it's going to create an error if it's just enter as New York. No, we we always joke up in I'm from upstate New York. >> Okay. >> And we used to joke about somebody say, "Where you're from New York?" I say, "We're from upstate New York." New York City is a different country. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they are really two different things. I was in New York City like two years ago. So, it is a a world different than anything that would be like in the Aderondex or Buffalo. >> Oh, yeah. And nothing like upstate New York. >> Yeah. completely ver you know rural areas like no people for tens of miles it seems. >> Yeah. >> Is this correct here now that she's buried at Maple Hill Cemetery in Huntsville? >> Yeah. Maple Hill Cemetery. >> Okay. >> Is it Maple Hill? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's it. >> Maple Hill. Wow. That's really >> wild. >> Now we can continue with that. >> Yeah. match. EMTT is the child. Nobody else on W Street. That's good. So, we can continue forward and boom. Profile created. >> Wow. >> 7089. Oh, Murray, you're the profile manager. >> Oh, sorry. >> It's going to happen because you made it. I mean, that's inevitable. You'll just have to drop yourself. >> Easy peasy. Just click the X. >> Oh, wait. You have a X. Can you change that? >> That was already to mine. >> And then >> if you want to be Carl and I are both older than dirt, so >> he's removing himself. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> So, I mean, >> we don't have anybody else to manage it. There's there's us and that's it. >> And then and that's okay. I mean because of um their age when when they were born and when they died their profile is automatically in an open status. >> Okay. >> So you don't have to be the profile manager unless you want to make it private so that no one else bothers it without your say so. >> Okay. if it's an open status. Since we are a collaborative environment, >> um because it's in an open status, if anyone comes across any additional information, they can make updates to that profile without you >> Okay. >> having to constantly say so. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because because one of the profiles that uh Murray was looking at, there was no bio and so go in there and you'll get the bio. That was Emit. >> Yeah, Emtt. I I didn't fill in EMTT. So, here we have uh Jewel's tree. And so, you'll be able to go in and fill in her ancestors. >> It looks like they're already there. >> Yeah, >> they're already there. >> They're there on on >> some of them. >> Yeah. And some of them are already on Wiki Tree. That's what those little symbols are. Yes. So, like if you look at William Edgar Dugen, >> he's he's already got See, he's got a a Wiki Tree indicator. >> Yeah, we knew that. We knew that already. So, >> that's great. I didn't know that. >> On EMTT's side, we've got a lot of people filled in, but on Juwels's side, we don't have the people filled in yet. >> Okay. >> And so, what I'm showing is that on Jules's side, >> there are ancestors, >> right? was. >> But again, she's not going to see this because she doesn't have the browser extension activated. Like, we can see the clues that these are on Wiki Tree because we're using the extension. >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. I've got to learn to use that extension. Carl says there were 17 17 children in what? Your mother's family. Your grandmother's >> His grandmother had seven was 17 children in that family. >> Yeah, that ought to keep you busy for a while. Um, Stephen, just just for reference, these these um markers here are from Sorcerer. >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. I'm so sorry. Okay, so Sorcerer is actually doing that overlay. >> Yes, there's there's two markers on there. >> What's the lower one? Is that ancestry? That John Baxter McCulla? What's that symbol there? >> Question. I don't know. >> Research suggestions. >> Suggestions. Okay. >> See, that's built into the family search. Yeah, that's a family bottom right as well. >> Yeah, >> I see that the really old ones are on Wiki Tree. >> Benezer Wyatt. >> I mean, it just exploded as soon as I put his name in. >> So, we got some Alamans from the 1800s here >> and got them. So, they're on Wiki Tree. We just got to connect the dots and between King Solomon Lackey. >> What a name. So >> yeah, we just got to make the connections between these really old ones that are on the tree to the ones that we currently have added here today. >> Now it it is 1203. >> Okay. Sorry about that. >> No, you're fine. >> Very educational. I just wanted to make sure folks are aware. >> Yeah. Of of what time it is. >> This was a great exercise. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is there any way of just moving that whole thing and mass and have it copy over to Wiki Tree? >> That sounds like a J, which we're not going to deal with. [laughter] >> We we actually discourage that kind of behavior. >> Okay. >> If if if you're going to bring people over from Family Search, and when I say if, I mean when >> um Yeah. >> We want you to do it one at a time. Okay. >> So that so that you're looking at each one >> and making sure that you've got, you know, you're really adding like as we saw some of the information was mistaken, right? We had to >> we had to edit it out and replace it with a a more accurate citation. So So we want you to go through each one. But that was my point in showing you this tree is to say these people are here. Okay? And then so let's let's look let's look at for example >> uh you know Marian has 28 sources uh John Baxter has 11 sources. >> How do we know they're all correct? >> Okay John >> go through I need to go through family search and go through each one and make sure it's accurate before moving over to Wiki Tree and adding them there. They are. Let me let me let me correct what you just said though. >> Okay. So, >> you don't have to correct them on Family Search before you move them over. As you saw, we had we had one profile where I copied everything, brought it over to Family Tree, sorry, Wiki Tree, >> removed removed one of the sources because it wasn't correct. >> Uhhuh. >> And then and then added more sources and did all that work. Okay. So, >> okay. So you don't have to fix everything on Family Search before you start working on Wiki Tree. It >> might be nice to though just so other people don't keep >> Yeah, I do want to make sure it's accurate every place it is. Like Steven said, just make sure it's accurate >> in each place. Okay. >> And that's that's a good quality in a person to be be that um you know conscientious about everywhere. All I'm saying is you don't have to do all of that in one place in order to start in the other place. And so one of the things one of the things that you can do that that's you know you you that may feel more fulfilling is you just build the tree up as far back as you can go. >> And then you know as you saw we we um we we added a person and then I went and looked for more sources on family search. I found the the marriage, right? I had actually found it earlier, but so I added the marriage and then I went to ancestry and I found more records. So what you could do is you could build the whole tree all the way up and then go back to the beginning and work your way through them and say, "Okay, well, can I find other sources?" So, for example, we saw that um with EMTT >> on EMTT's profile here, it's not filled in. Okay. So, EMTT only has the marriage record. >> That's the default text that's automatically entered when you just do a single source. >> So, we can use some work. >> Okay. >> See, so so but but it it can feel more satisfying when when when you can see the tree. So, just like just like we go from here and we go look at the ancestry and we say, "Wow, look at that." We go all the way back, >> right? goes back even further. >> Yeah, we go back even further. >> 1600s around 1600s. >> Yes, there's the Dugans and the Mcnights and another Mcnite. So, yeah, I mean Irish ancestry here. So, eventually, yeah, they jumped the pond. Um, yeah, Ill, North Carolina. I mean, that that's that's an Irish community. >> Yeah, Doug is too. in there county, North Carolina. >> Yeah. See? Yeah. >> John Dugan going back to Ireland. >> Yeah. >> And Mary Elizabeth Laneir. >> All the unknowns. We hit the Irish wall. >> Yeah. Well, his >> went to England >> and did research. [gasps] >> 1544. Hey, France. Wow. >> Nicholas Laneir with a photo. Who was that guy? >> [laughter] >> Oh, look at that. England. >> Barbados. How'd you end up in Barbados, bro? >> Look. Probably >> boat. >> Puddling. Probably going and getting probably a sailor going and getting rum. >> That's what the picture is. Is a boat. >> Yeah. He's an immigrant. He got to the West Indies, >> huh? >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. This is says he was a Virginia colonist and a hugenaut. >> Okay. He's got Spanish. Carl's got Spanish in his blood somewhere. >> Pizarro was supposed to be in his family somewhere. >> Wow. >> Well, you Yeah, you definitely have people to look at now. You have historical figures here that are showing up in your branches. >> Yeah. >> You'll be able to see how many degrees you're away once the connections are complete. Looks looked like that connection's already made to you. >> Yeah, I think Wiki Tree said I was so many connections away from Napoleon and I went pick somebody else. >> So Sharon, we encourage you to come back. Um, our next our next session is the second Thursday of uh of August and and that will be a uh an evening session at 8:00 p.m. >> That would be the third of >> and then we'll be back again on uh the fourth the fourth Sunday of u of August, >> the 23rd of August. >> And we'd be uh >> be very happy to see your progress. It was great to have you with us today and we hope you'll join us again. We hold these sessions every second Thursday evening and fourth Sunday morning of the month. That's United States Eastern time. 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