Member Q & A via Zoom (Aug 2026) 1 of 2

Welcome to another Wiki Tree member Q&A via Zoom session. My name is Betsy Co. We started the series back in 2022 to give WikiTers a chance to ask their questions in real time. Screen sharing on Zoom allows us to look at and edit profiles while we chat. No topic is off limits and we always want to remind folks that no question is too basic. Now, let's get to it. So, welcome everyone. We're happy to have you here at our bimonthly member Q&A. Um, today I just have Murray with me. Um, but I'm sure we'll be able to get all most if not all of your questions answered. My name is Denise Jarrett. I'm one of the co-hosts. Um, I'm also a co-pro leader for US Black Heritage and I do a bunch of other stuff. U Murray, what about you? >> Um, hi, I'm Murray Maloney. I I used to be a technical writer in a previous life and and so I do that some of that here now and um I work with Ian Beall and uh work on the documentation for the wiki tree browser extension and if you're not familiar with the wiki tree browser extension I encourage you to become familiar with it um and it will it'll make everything that you do on wiki tree a lot easier um and just a little bit make things go smoother and you tune it to be uh how how you want uh rather than having it be so demanding upon you uh with all the all of its all the ways it wants to do things. So um so anyway there's that and in behind me you can see an image of the feature data backup and so um Ian Beall um with the help of his friend Claude um did some work on how we do backups and has made it a lot better. And uh later when I turn on um screen sharing, I I will show you a couple of the things that he's done to make it make it work better for you. Um, and I I encourage you to at least once a month to save your your um your web browser extension settings and data so that you know, god forbid something happens and and uh your your computer crashes or or whatever, um you can recover that and uh and and get it to work again. And uh yeah, >> and so today I was working on somebody on Discord was pointing out that they were colorblind and was there anything that could be done to make it easier for them to to work with things. Um they they they that person pointed out that they had real difficulty with red and that that sometimes when we get uh we get messages on um on Wiki Tree they they they come up red and it's really hard for some people to read them and uh and so I I spent a good part of today discussing that with uh with a few people and also with with my friend Gemini and um and so I I Um, anyway, so I I gave I gave my my uh what I learned back to Ian and and he's uh he's going to take that in and we'll see what he does next with that. And otherwise, I just uh plug away at um uh a genealogy every day. Uh I've gotten this far, I think, as I can get with my own family. Uh going back in time, uh I don't think I'm going to get any further. And so I just poke around and work on other people's um uh profiles. And if I see something come up in my my uh list to say somebody just created a new profile and their name happened to be Maloney, I'll go and take a look at that profile and see whether, you know, is there something that I can add to that? There's something that I can I can find records that I can find or whatever. So I just poke around with stuff like that. Anyway, Denise, back to you. >> Thank you. And and since you mentioned color blindness, you know, my my background is IT as well, and red has always been a challenge for those that are color blind, but also green. So, you know, you as you and your team or the folks that you're working with start looking at options for those that are colorb blind, keep green in mind, too, because it's not just red. But I I do know a lot of our like if you add a category and it doesn't really exist. Um it it's in red so you can't tell if you create a template and you're spelling it wrong or something like that. It does appear in red. So you know those types of things. But yeah, keep green in mind too when you're making those alterations. Um anyone have any questions? What? What? What's uh Wendy? What you got? >> You're muted. >> Unmute yourself. It is. >> There we go. There we go. >> Yeah. Hi everyone. I'm a rookie. I'm totally brand new. I don't know what I'm doing. And I'm trying to link my tree to another person's tree because um uh when I try to put in the the ancestor, it links me into their tree. But they've got like five siblings and unless you actually know which one of those five siblings is your ancestor, you're not going to know which sibling to press. And so I'm trying to get that one sibling to be on my on my tree, but I don't know how to get it onto my tree. And it goes all the way back to Martha Ford who came over on the fortune right after the Mayflower. And she's my ancestor from England. >> I have an ancestor who was on the fortune also. >> Oh, no way. She was one of only two women. It was all hairy, sweaty men. Yeah, that may be true. Um, my ancestor was a Hilton who was on board board that ship. >> Oh, that's so cool. She was a Martha Ford. >> But then when we go back to England, there's we don't know her maiden name >> for sure. So, um, you know, I'm like, wouldn't there be marriage records for John Ford, her husband? >> But I think of how many John Fords there are in England. Probably the first thing that most people on Wiki Tree um who have been on Wiki Tree for a while will tell you there is no my tree in their tree. >> Exactly. I was going to say the same thing. >> What does that mean exactly? >> Well, there's there's only one tree really, isn't there? I mean, we you know, you're alive and I'm alive and so we have I'm connected to a tree and so are you. And somewhere way back in that tree, we have a common ancestor. But I'm assuming, you know, it's very very likely that we do. >> Now, now that that may be thousands of years ago, but you know, still there's only one tree >> now. >> So, what do I have to do? >> Well, we're going to look at that. We're going to look at in a few minutes. We're going to we're going to go into Wiki Tree and we're going to look at the various profiles that you're you're thinking of >> and we're going to see, you know, what you're trying to connect and who you're trying to connect and and and how best we can achieve that. So, um, so we know what we need to do with you. And, uh, Denise, before we, before we jump into that, I know that we had a, um, a couple of people, uh, wrote in, uh, in response to the GDG post, and I've done some research on the questions that they've asked. So, I want to make sure that we get to that at some point also. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> But, I'm not actually sure whether the people who ask those are those questions are here. And if you are one of those people, could you identify yourself? >> I'm the problem child. >> Is that Kim? Okay. >> Yeah, that's me. >> Okay. So, so Denise, what what order do you want to do things in? >> Um, let let's let's if Wendy doesn't mind, let's start with the questions that were on the site since there's only a couple of them that were on the G2G post and then we'll get to Wendy's. I don't forget I asked you a question too, Denise. >> Yes, there was also a question that that will be easily solved that that Debbie had um about the check marks that appear when when you're looking that at your pedigree chart, looking at your ancestor chart, and some names have the check mark and some names do not. So, we'll be able to answer that one relatively easy as well. >> Okay. So, I'm going to do a screen share. Uh, sharing is not turned on. >> Really? >> Multiple presenters can share. Okay. So, now I'm gonna try that again. There we go. And let's jump over. And so, there's the >> there's the GG post. Yep. Uh there's a GTG post um from Sharon and um Sharon's asking about her maternal grandfather Albert Livingston Marshall and and then goes on to ask uh further questions. And so what I did immediately was to go and and try and find Albert Livingston Marshall on Wiki Tree and and uh and and and and he's there. So that's good. He's all over. He did a ton of research on his side of the family, but not on his wife's side of the family. >> Okay. Yeah. So, you mention you mentioned that that um that he he didn't do any work on Agnes May Bessie Caulfield, >> right? >> So, so here's Albert. >> Okay. So, I jumped to there first. And really, there's not much information here. I But I didn't do any work on it. I didn't add any any sources or do anything to it. >> Uh because I thought I thought we should save everything for >> for now. >> Right. Make make a comment. >> Yeah. >> Grandfather Marshall was an avid genealogologist. Oh, he spent decades researching his family tree going back well beyond General Nicholas Herkimer of revolutionary warf because he was descended from a brother George. So there is tons of information on him. When you move down to husband of Agnes May, Bessie Cfield Marshall, that's my sticking point. That's my problem is I'm trying to get if Grandpa Marshall, there's tons of stuff on him. He was responsible for getting this Thousand Islands bridge built. He's all over the place. >> He avidly was a genealogologist, so there's tons of information on her. There's very little. And that's my sticking point. she was. >> So what I'm what I'm seeing here is that that his >> his paternal side goes back >> well his his on basically all the fathers go back but uh but then it kind of peters out with with Harriet and also with with Eve. Okay. >> Um >> it looks like there's a brick wall with Lydia too, Lydia Brown, the the wife of John Marshall. So there there's nothing else for her. Well, and that whole thing is not complete because there is a gazillion. He tracked everybody you can think of. >> Okay. >> So, it is apparently it's all not up there. There's a Walcott in there, too. Walcott Society. >> Okay. >> We're related to them, too. >> So, now here's here's here's Bessie. >> That's the one >> Agnes May. And Agnes has um a little bit of information here. And so the first thing I want to say about what I see here is um you know you you've got a very very short biography paragraph and then you've got sources which seems to be more research notes than actual sources. >> Exactly. >> So the first thing that I would do is is take the contents of the sources put them into the research notes and then start and then start working on the sources. Okay. >> Does that sound good to you? remove sources and put them in biography. >> Yeah. So, so is it okay, is it okay with you if I open it up and do that? Okay. >> Oh, absolutely. >> I'm going to go into edit >> edit mode here. And I'm going to go down to where it says sources and references. And I'm just going to cut that out. >> And I'm going to go past all this text and I'm going to paste it in afterwards. >> Oh, that's tricky. Okay. >> And then here I'm going to go and make that research notes. >> Okay. >> So, um, now then I'm going to go in here and I'm going to say, okay, well, Agnes was born about 1883 and she died about, uh, uh, sorry, doesn't say anything about >> definitely her date. We know her date of death. Definitely. >> And when is that? 14th of July 1918 of complications of childbirth. If there's a newspaper story, a long one in the Watertown Daily Times, Watertown, New York. >> Okay. So, this is what I do. You can do thing you can you don't have to do it my way, but you can I'm just going to That's >> all right. >> I'm going to do things my way and then you can adapt from there. Okay. So, typically typically what I'll do is I I'll have an opening sentence or two that'll say Agnes daughter of so and so and so and so, >> okay, >> was was was born on this date or about this date and and maybe and was and was baptized about this date. Okay, so I'll put that information in. Um, I won't necessarily have in that sentence, that opening sentence, I won't necessarily have the the complete facts. That is, I won't necessarily have a specific date. I'll just have the year. >> Okay. Um, but I would have >> but I would typically have the the parents. Okay. Now, there's a there's a there's a trick here that you can do and I'm just going to go like that and I'm going to go to biography >> under research notes. I do have her parents. >> Okay. I'm just going to go here just to show you what you can do. >> Okay. >> See under biography >> it says birth. >> Parent details. And you just click on that. And it'll put in Agnes May Bessie was born about this this date in Waterton, the daughter of And it didn't put in any death information yet cuz I haven't asked yet. So now I'm going to go back here and I'm going to ask it to put in the death details. And so I forgot to put in a space. There we go. So now we've got the opening sentence. >> Okay. So I'm going to get rid of this one. I just put Patrick in, by the way. I while we were up here and waiting, I put Patrick down. I haven't put her mother, Agnes Sarah Frasier, down. >> Okay. >> I haven't added her to Wiki Tree yet. >> But you could you you can do that, right? You can do that later. >> Yeah, I will do it later, but I was just trying to at least get something in there. Uh now the information that you put here >> um >> I'm going to say this is research notes. >> Okay. >> It's not it's not it's not an actual fact, but it's something that you're you're leaving information there so that maybe somebody that comes along after you or maybe in 10 years when you come back to look at this and say, "Oh geez, what was I doing here?" Right? You can remind yourself what you were doing there. So um again the death date is uncertain. She uh but then >> it is certain >> is certain. Okay. >> Yes it is. >> So we don't you do you feel like you have to say that? >> Okay. Why not? Sure. Sure. Why not? Okay. Um >> we don't have to say it, but I don't want anybody else to try to put some erroneous information in there. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, so we're going to now now again typically what I'll do is is I'll like I said I have the opening sentence at here >> and then at the end >> you have the death information >> and in between is the dash what Denise calls the dash >> which is you know you know when you have somebody's birth life information like right here >> right so they were born in 38 and they died in 19 and the dash >> that's their whole life Okay. >> Okay. So, so we put their whole life in here. Okay. >> Now, so we've got we've got we've now got this separated. We've got some bio biographical information at the beginning. >> Mhm. >> And we've got some research notes, >> right? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, now I went ahead and I did a search. Now, I don't know. Oh, wait. Maybe I should go back and do this. So, I go in I go to here. This is the Wiki Tree sourcer. If you don't already have the wiki tree sourcer, I encourage you to get wiki tree sourcer. Okay. Now, you know, >> you have it but don't know how to use it and I'm on edge so this will help me make >> Yeah, you'll learn here. So, so you install you in install sourcer and you might want to um we'll just open up the the user options here. So, there's options for setting for when you're going to do a search. So for so typically when I'm doing a search the the searches the places where I search the most are ancestry and family search. >> So so you want to make sure that when you you know you got your searches set up properly so that when you go search ancestry or when you go search family search you know it's configured properly so it does a good job. Okay. >> Okay. >> Then you've got your citations. Again, you want to tell it little details about how you want to handle writing the citation, >> right? Little details like uh a sentence, you know, uh you want to include data, you want a sentence fallback, you want a list of field names, etc. Okay? >> Um these are these are little details, but it just helps improve and and and and this is something that you can work on over time, right? As you get a feel for how you like things, you just keep going back and making adjustments. Now similarly your narrative. >> So when when when wik uh sorry when sorcerer writes a narrative um it's going to you know collect a whole bunch of information off of the source >> and put to put together a sentence or two >> that says what it found. >> Okay? And then and then with a citation link to it which I'm going to show you in in just a moment. >> So again you want to set things up. So here there's all kinds of different kinds of cit narratives you might do. Might be a baptism. So you you've got your general narratives, right? And or you might be doing a baptism and how you want that done or a birth um birth or baptism, uh burials, sentences, etc. Okay, this is all stuff that you can tune up. So we're not going to get into >> You can only do one thing at a time like birth or death or etc. or can you just can it just hold any information that's available, >> you know? Yes. The answer to your question is yes. You can do one at a time. >> You can do, you know, if you've got, let's say you're on ancestry >> and you're looking at somebody's profile and you've collected a whole bunch of of um uh notation citations. Okay? You might have a birth record. You might have a baptism record. You might have a marriage and uh uh um a funeral. And you might have uh you know um censuses >> census >> and also you might have um you know registered for the draft or military records or land records etc. So you can go to each one of those. You can go to each one and look at them and say, "Okay, I yeah, I kind of want this one." And you can you can collect it and go put it in a profile. Or you can go look at this profile and go through them all. Look at look at everything and make sure that yes, this is the person. Yeah, they these records seem about right. And you can grab them all at once, >> bring them over and paste them in. Okay? And then, of course, once you pasted them in, you want to go through them >> and make sure that you've got everything right. Okay? you you didn't get things confused. So So now having said all that, I'm going to get rid of that screen >> and I'm going to go here. So I already did a search looking for Agnes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And so I I found her and >> so then I click and it it goes to one record. So this is just a single record. Okay. But the trick on Family Search is down here. Look at that. It says this is attached to Agnes Bessie >> Cfield in the tree. >> So we go click on that and look at that. It says there are 10 sources for Agnes. >> Okay. Yeah. So now I can go I'm going to show you. >> Go ahead. The problem is we have a sister also born in 1886 about the same time. So, and they're not twins by any means. So, the date of birth is questionable or wondering whether that 28 December 1886 should actually be 1883 or 1884 or 1885. Right. >> So it's that's why I start to question that. >> Sure. That that happens and and and especially in your case or in this case her case where we don't actually have a birth record, >> right? >> So we go look at we look go look at Bessie and we see that there's a census record >> and another census record >> and an obituary. >> Yeah. the census records. Um, and then >> secondary source, right? But you can build the table and see all the different aids and then just >> have it kind of thing >> that Earl Corey I he is a relative church cousin of another fellow that I've met on ancestry who is really good and has shared a lot with me and his greatg grandmother was my his grandmother was My grandmother's sister, Khalise. So, Khalise and my grandmother were sisters and he is descended from police. Well, I am descended from Agnes. And I think I found this the uh Watertown. Last time I talked with the town clerk up there, they gal told me we just found another book we didn't know we had. And I believe Kise's record is in there. So I have sent to Watertown to get Kiss's birth, which would if Kise was born in 8 in n yeah 18 90 1886 that means that Agnes who was older the the 1886 is not correct for her. I'm following breadcrumbs. >> Yeah, I know. That's that that's what we all do. So let let's let's do the let's do that together. Okay. >> Um so so what I'm going to do here is I'm going to I'm going to collect these sources >> and then get rid of and then I'm going to get rid of a bunch of them because I don't want them. >> Okay. >> Okay. So I open up sourcer >> and it asks me what what I want to do. Do I want to go do some searches or do I want to build all citations? Now, if we had an if we had a a totally empty profile, >> like if we were just building a brand new one, I would say save person data. >> But but we already have some some information in that profile, so we don't want to do that. Okay. So, I'm going to say build all citations. Now, it's goes and it says okay, >> we have now saved eight citations to the clipboard. >> Okay, great. >> So, now let's go back into the biography and I'm just going to paste them in. Okay. So now, >> okay, >> then let's let's go down. We'll just take a view at what I pasted in in so you can see it and then we'll go back into edit mode and deal with it. >> Okay, let me talk to you by in the 1950 census the last name is spelled incorrectly. uh should be Marshall. And on the uh other one here, the marriage uh Canfield is what is written in that marriage for Donald, her son Donald, uh Uncle Donald, but it's actually Callfield. C A U L F I E L D. So, >> yeah, that that got messed up. But that is accurate as far as Donald and there. Oh, there's my mother, Agnes Marie Marshall. and I've got her uh marriage certificate coming. Um >> well now keep keep in mind Sharon keep in mind you're you're you're talking about errors that may exist in census records or other records that were developed over time. And as as long as you can correct that or make a notation about that in wiki tree, which is what Murray is trying to walk you through right now, >> you you'll be able to make those corrections. We're we're not as concerned. Granted, we we know there were errors because none of the enumerators were, you know, they they weren't scientists. Okay. >> Some of them couldn't spell. Yeah. Some of them were were putting in names based on how they sound. They didn't ask for the spelling in a lot of cases, especially in those earlier years. So, if they were going by the way the name sounded to them or they guessed at how to spell it, you're going to find those kind of errors. And and Murray can show you ways that we can make those corrections. Now, right now, what he's done is >> for all of those records that existed for Agnes out there on Family Search, he's copied those using sorcerer and now you see them listed here under the biography. Now, Wiki Tree is it's not permanent. You can always go back and make some changes. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, so let's so let's talk about that a little bit further. So um there's there are a lot of points at which an error can be made in terms of the the spelling of a name. >> Okay. >> Um one one one place where the error can be made is for example uh at a wedding. >> Yeah. the the groom or bride might be drunk >> and so so the so the so the priest or officient might hear the name come out wrong and but they they just write down what they think they heard. Okay, that's that's one play that's one place where it can happen. >> Okay, the next place of course is the officient themselves, right? The officient themselves might might a have a bias. So, for example, in Quebec, if they heard the word if they heard the name white, they might write. Whereas in Maine, if they heard if they heard the name LeBlah, they might write white. >> Okay? Do you see that? So, so the the French people in Quebec want to hear a French name, >> and the English- speakaking people in in Maine want to hear an English name, >> right? So, they write down what they think it should be. And of course we had the same problem at at um uh what's the name of the the island? >> Ellis Island. Thank you. Yeah. Same problem at Ellis Island, right? You have you have you have people admitting uh immigrants into the country and some of those officials might have an axe to grind or might have an opinion about, you know, how someone should be named. Or they might be dealing with someone who's completely illiterate and they're they're just they're muttering a name out but the the officient can't quite figure out what the person just said and so they write down what they think they heard. Right. Okay. So we have all of those kinds of problems that are happening at the source. Okay. >> And one other thing is that there are can fields as well as call fields. >> Yeah. Sure. >> In the same area. >> Sure. So those those families are confused a lot. >> Then then you you have the instance where the people at Ancestry or at you know whoever whoever's collecting these records together and are indexing them and are reading the records, right? And they might read them wrong. >> So when they index it, they they're looking at an image and they think it says Canfield and really it says Cfield. Mhm. >> Okay. Or vice versa. Same with Marshall, right? They they they're just they can't quite read it right because of course it's handwriting. I don't And I don't know. I most of us look old enough to remember how to do handwriting, but but you know, um I don't know about you, but I always had difficulty reading other people's handwriting and and certainly today people would have difficulty reading mine. So So there's that. And and so one of the things that I frequently do is I'll take I'll accept whatever whatever they say in the index, right? And then I'll go look at the actual record and see I I one of my I had this problem with one of my ancestors who who traditionally in the neighborhood where uh where our people were in in Gaspe, they were called the Kaplan. C A P L. Okay. But that's that's not their name. Their name in France was Capella. C A P E L A. >> Now, we had to go back and look at a lot of different signatures to try and, you know, make sure what was what. And and one of one of the interesting parts about that is a Kaplan is a kind of fish. And and Guom was a fisherman. And so, you know, it would make sense to call him Kaplan because that's that's a name that's a word that people would be accustomed to, right? That like like you know if if some if someone was named tr but they were a fisherman, people might call them trout. >> Okay, so anyway, so that's another place where the errors occur. And so you you you've got to be aware of where the errors might be and then you've got to be careful about correcting them because the record might be correct in the in the sense that this is exactly what the record said. Okay? And and when so when we're recording what the record said, we should record what the record said. Then we can say and this was a spelling mistake and the actual name of this person was such and such and and I can demonstrate the proof of that because of the following and that's part of part of the art and science of genealogy right is getting getting the the correct correct information. Anyway, so >> we've added this information. >> You got that from you've got that from ancestry. Now, what if there is >> actually this is from family search that I got this. >> Oh, okay. >> Now, >> now I'm going to go over here >> and see that on ancestry there are also records for Agnes May Bessie Caulfield and for example now what I can't remember what um which which sense we had the 100 and the 15 here and if I remember right there's an 05 over here. Um, >> no. We we in in the US it's 1900. It's in decades. 1900, 1910, 1920. >> Yeah, but this was a state state census. >> I thought I sure had a 1905. >> Yeah. No, >> somewhere >> 15 maybe. >> 19 for New York. Yeah, there was a 195, >> but we already had the the 15, didn't we? >> Yeah, the 15. >> Yeah, that's it. >> But that's the only one I could see. >> Between 1910 and 1905. >> Okay. >> Colin, that's the fellow that he's out in California, but I've been working with him. Oh, that's >> that's your 1915 census. You got that one. >> 1910. >> And then Yeah, you need 1910. Mhm. >> Okay. So, there's 10. So, now we're going to go to 10. And so, now we want this one. >> So, I'm going to go again. I'm going to go back up here and I'm going to say >> um build narrative with citation. >> Okay. >> See? So now I'm just taking one record as opposed to taking a whole a whole bunch of records. >> So now I'm going to go back over here and get rid of that view and replace it with that view. And we want to go to 19. This that was this is 1900. And so then we paste in the 1910. And let's see if there's anything else that's worthwhile in here. So, there's a family history book that mentions Bessie. There is uh we've got the 15. >> We've got a marriage. >> There's a 1905 for New York, >> right? The next one you down for the right. >> Mhm. >> And we didn't have that. >> Yes. >> Nope. Yeah, I've got that one. >> Okay. >> So, let's get that one. >> And so, we'll get a again narrative with citation. Okay. And 1905. Okay. >> You also have a 1907 marriage that's showing up on Ancestry that you don't have. If I if I can add to that marriage record, I have been in touch with Lville or not Lville, Brownville. That marriage record for 1907 claims it took place in Laville. Lawville clerk said that doesn't that isn't even our type of paperwork. I don't know where it came from. uh everybody and their brother has has quoted that 1907 marriage uh chart, but uh they don't have any record whatsoever of her. They don't know know where that came from. It says New York State Marriage Index, but who provided that? Who's who's where is that located? Because it's not in the town of Brownville. Uh there's Cfield. Yeah. See, it says 18 December Brownville. They have no knowledge of it. They have no record. And they said that's not the way their records are kept either. They don't know where that page came from. >> You have to try the the lo the local town >> and then maybe the county level and then the state level. >> Yeah. So this this is what's called an index. and and so so what happens is um at the state level >> that they they get returns. Okay. So there's there's somebody sitting in an office somewhere in Albany who goes through um or back then anyway would go through the mail every day and he would he would be collecting returns that are coming in from all over the state. >> Okay. and and then they're putting that into an index to say, "Okay, we have a record that somebody named Agnes Cfield was married on this date in this place." >> And so, we're going to put it in. Okay. But you're saying this isn't her. >> Well, it I I believe it is. The dates seem to pretty well match up, but it's the I Brownville itself, the town of Brownville does not have any knowledge of that record. And that is not the way their record books are kept. So I don't know where that came from. And you're saying that that looks more like a state record book. >> It's it's an index. Yeah, it's just an index and it was typed. So somebody probably went through the records and typed it up. That's something that was created manually by someone else. Now what is included in that record is the marriage certificate number. You should be able to go back to the state vital statistics and provide them with that name and certificate number and they should be able to pull up the original marriage certificate for you. >> Okay. So, now that I've eliminated Brownville having it, I can go to the state instead with that certificate number. Thank you. >> The Yeah, your vital statistics area. Yeah. Mhm. >> So what I've done is >> I've put that in the research notes. >> So So it's to say I've identified as uncertain. And so so we're saying, okay, well, we've got a record and here's here's what the record is and and we've got a a citation to it, but we're saying it's uncertain. So we're not putting it in the biography, right? We're putting it separate. >> Okay? And and now >> going to let me give you something else that's happened and asked let me ask you if this makes sense. When I talked with a a Brownville clerk, she's a really sweet girl. And I said, "What about churches that were in Brownville about that era?" And she said, "There is a church, the Immaculate Conception, which is Catholic, which the family was Catholic. That church is only open on Sundays for mass. Here is a number to call. When I called the number, it was the parish offices and I'm waiting for the woman to call me back. So apparently I'm wondering if the church >> would have a record if she was married in that church because her her sister Kiss was married in by that priest. So, it's the priest's name and address was on Kisa's marriage certificate. And if I if if they were married with the same church and the same priest, that parish may have the record there. Does that make sense? >> Yep. >> Great. >> Okay. So, um, we've collected. So, at this point, I'm going to say >> I've added sources. >> I've improved the bio >> and um we haven't I haven't made any changes to the data based on any new sources. So, I'm not going to click that. >> And um oh, I've done >> add any categories, >> right? Did the research notes. So, this is, and I'm doing this now, and it's not that it's not that we're not going to do anything more to the profile, but it's to say, okay, I've now reached a point where I think it's probably a good idea to save and then maybe come back to it and do some more, but at least, you know, if I don't want to go too far, >> yeah, >> this is this is um my experience as a writer is, you know, you can you can keep working on I've done this, too. I've I've I've kept working all night. You know, I start start might start working at, you know, 8:00 at night after dinner >> and and and stay up all night and at 5:30 in the morning there's a power outage >> and I've lost everything. >> Everything you've done. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So now, so now now let's do a little examination of what we found here. Okay. So um so Agnes is 17. in in ON05. >> She's 21. >> It tracks. >> So that does it track? >> Well, you know, it it 21 22 that's five years later. So it it tracks. >> Okay. And then f another five years later and she is 25. Okay. >> And Uncle Donald has >> nobody said the enumerators knew their math. They're guessing or >> we also we also don't know what find what date the enumeration was done >> exactly >> before her birthday or after her birthday. Right. >> Yeah. She might have just had a birthday right before the one enumeration one her birthday. She was born in December. So they usually enumerate in the middle of spring or summer. Mhm. >> Anyway, so now we have a bunch of her children's marriages and um and then a social security record uh for her daughter which mentions her >> and then we've got her son's obituary and we've got the marriage that we're not sure about. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Now, um, now we didn't find we didn't find the actual um we didn't find a a birth record. Um, >> didn't find a marriage record. >> And then >> Kim's here somewhere, right? >> Yep, I'm here. >> Okay. So >> now you thought that you might be able to help with this. Do you have any thoughts on what we've collected so far and what where else we could go? >> Well, I just the the thought about the Herkimer and the General Herkimer cuz I live right near Herkimer >> and I've gone to the Herkimer home like a million times and the the the different places that are mentioned are are right near me. >> Okay. So, I'm thinking um I might be able I thought I might be able to give help, but you got this covered on her side. I've got covered in seven ways of Sunday. He spent decades researching that whole line. He did nothing for Agnes Marie or Agnes Bessie. He didn't do a darn thing about her. Is is Watertown anywhere near Herkimer? >> Nope. >> Yeah. >> Kim says Watertown's more it's more north. >> Okay. >> So that's Sharon. Kim, that's not an area that you're familiar with then. Water. >> Oh, yeah. I've been there. I've been there. Raised in the upstate. >> So Sharon, meet Kim. >> Kim. Kim. Kim might be able to help you with you. That would be absolutely awesome. >> If if anything over in Herkimer in in any of the records that Grandfather Marshall did over there where he mentioned his wife and said anything about her her that would give me a clue as to her birthday uh where to get her birth record, her marriage record. Yeah, he it's somewhere in his paperwork all about the Herpimer and Walcott family. He surely mentions something about his deceased wife. Now when you say the Walcott family who which part of what Walcott family uh Walcott Henry Walcott Sir Henry Walcott they come over here to Massachusetts were related to him too them too through a marriage. >> I know I went to school with Apollo Walcott and her mother's Norma. So now before we go because we've got about 15 minutes left one question that was >> Yeah. There there was one question that was asked early on before we started our program and it it was I believe it was Debbie that had a question about uh when you're looking at uh for example a pedigree chart like this one. Don't leave Murray. Don't leave this chart here. um you see a series of check marks falling behind some names and then other names do not have those check marks. Uh do you want to walk that through for Debbie so that she can understand why some have a check mark and some do not? >> Yeah, let me go find a perfect one. Okay, so let's look at let's look at Elizabeth. And so Elizabeth's parents have check marks and so does her whoever Cork is. I'm not sure whether Cork is a male or a female. In any case, um >> that's my uncle. It's he's a male. >> Okay. >> So So now we want to go in and look at the inside of uh but I can't because it's I can't edit this file. >> Can you go back? Can you look at one of the parents? >> Well, it won't help me to look at one of the parents because because I have to look be looking up at the check mark. >> Okay. >> Um >> maybe >> so yeah, silent or son. >> Okay. So now, so if you look here, so's father has a check mark. >> Mhm. >> And mother does not. So this is actually a good example. So >> now we're going to go here >> and we're going to go to edit family and we're going to see the parents. So over here we see that the father has a check mark. Sorry has a has father is confident >> clicked. Okay. So that >> that radio button has been selected >> and so it doesn't have the non-biological selected. It doesn't have the uncertain selected and it doesn't have the confirmed with DNA selected. It has confident. Confident gives you a check mark. The mother has nothing checked. She could be non-biological. She should she could could be uncertain or confident or >> you can check confident. >> Okay. So now I'm going to go um I'm going to say change from new source whereas where where you're the new source and so you've declared that she is confident and so now you can see they both have check marks. >> Mhm. >> So now what we want to do is we want to see what happens if we do something different and then I'm So I'm going to do something different and then I'm going to undo it. family and we're going to pretend that the father has been confirmed with DNA. >> Okay, it's not true, but just for the sake of testing, we're going to pretend that it is true. I'm going to say there's a change from new source and like that. And now see it has this DNA symbol beside it with a check mark. Okay. So, the all these little marks just help us get a quick view of what do we know about this family, right? What do we know about the the relationships in the family? >> Yep. >> And then now I'm going to show you a trick may not know about says I edited. So, I'm going to go to the edit edited and if serious mistake were made, you can restore the data. So, I'm going to click that. Wow. Okay. And it didn't. Huh. It didn't see the change. Okay. U that should have I thought that was going to work, but it didn't. So, let's just go back and we're going to go back to Agnes and we're going to go to her. By the way, you you may be noticing um that how things look um on my screen are a little bit different from how they look on your screen. Right? The colors, for example, see all that orange and yellow? >> So that's >> that's because I've set things up that way in the Wiki Tree browser extension. >> Okay. >> Okay. You'll notice up here it shows the symbol you know wik tree where genealogologist collaborate but then it also says enhance by the wiki tree browser extension. So if you have the wiki tree browser extension running this will appear there. Okay. And if I click this here it highlights all the places where the the wiki tree browser extension has done something to the page. So you can see the little >> the little differences it has made in what you're looking at. So, it's it's added this button here in the find menu. It has added things. Okay. There's all kinds of things that that the Wikry browser extension does. It it added my menu. It's a special menu. Everybody gets one. Um, yeah. So, I just wanted to let you know that. And then I promised to show you something earlier. So, I just want to show you this. So, this is this is brand new. If I go hover over this, this is the wik tree browser extension button. And normally if I just click on it, I get this. Okay. >> And and and if I do that, then I can also click on this and I can get the the settings and feature data backup, which is great, right? I can I can do my backups and and that's just great. But now I can also do this with a right click. I can go to my clipboard, my notes. I can do a backup. I can do a restore or I can go to my settings. That's all from a right click on that icon. And then so now if I do a backup, it just immediately is going to do the backup and and it sent that into a file. And I can't see that because I'm hidden. Let's see. Go there. There we go. And you can see it it's given it a name with the with the date to start and then a a time string and then exactly what kind of backup it is. >> Okay. >> And one of the things that uh Ian B call added this go around is that um in addition to being able to separately do a backup of your settings and your feature data, you can do a combo Now you can now you can save everything at once and you can restore everything at once, which is really great if, for example, you got yourself all set up on your browser and your on your laptop and you've decided you want to >> get that all working on your on your iPad or your other computer or whatever, >> you can just back back it all up into one file, send that file over to your other computer and away you go. >> Awesome. No. Um, no, we didn't have >> Is that the same Murray? You know, periodically I get the little um reminder on my screen that says WBE backup. >> Yes. >> Little box down at the right. Uhhuh. >> And that one does uh a backup of just your um just your data. So, for example, you know, I've got I've got my clipboard that has data in it. >> Mhm. >> And I've got my notes that have data and I've got my um I've got my extra watch list and all of these things collect data. And you can you can save that as a collection. >> And of course, you can also save your settings separately if you want to. Uh and that's that's just, you know, so that you don't lose that. You know, it happens sometimes. because you lose it all lose it all and you can't remember what's all the settings that you had. So, this is just to make it all easier. Anyway, I I want to get back to uh the person that we were speaking to earlier. >> Well, Ann had her hand up. Ann, you had a question real quick. >> Yeah, Murray. Uh the the thing that you just showed us, is that in the preview or is it now? >> And I think, as far as I know, it is live now. Uh Ian Ian did a a full um he sent that out to every everybody yesterday I think it was or or maybe it was this morning but yeah all all versions are now up updated. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Now I am six feet tall but my memory is very short and I I know that I was talking to someone earlier. We were all We were all talking to that someone who had a very specific question and I know that we were talking about there only being one tree and now I don't remember. >> Yeah, that was me. Wendy Williams. >> That was Yeah. >> Okay. And and where do we want to go, Wendy? Where where what what uh how do you want to join the families? >> Well, I have to see my tree first. >> But I don't know how to get to my tree on here. Do you do you know your what is your um Wiki ID? >> What What is your Wiki Tree ID, Wendy? >> I don't know. >> Do Do you know how to log on to Wiki Tree? >> Well, I just kept it open. It's open on one of my tabs here on my on my laptop. So, I know I just click on it and I'm in. >> In the upper right. In the upper right, there should be something that looks like that. >> You see that? >> No, hold on. The pictures, the people's faces are in the way. >> Okay. Something that looks like Callfield. >> Yes. >> No, no, your name. >> This whole set, but it has your name instead. >> Oh, okay. Let me go and check that out. >> I can't minimize this. >> Wait. Um, >> no, it won't. >> Are you on a Mac or a PC? >> I'm on a Mac. >> Okay. So, press the command key and the tab key and then find find the um you you're you're going to switch from this application into Safari. >> I'm in Google. >> Okay. Google. Whatever. >> No, you can't get to it. >> It says Zoom workplace at the upper left with an Apple. Um, okay. Is is is is Williams your maiden name? >> Williams is my only name. >> Okay, let's go find you. >> So, we're going to look for active members only. >> And anyone >> B as in Bernese is my middle name. B as in bubble. >> B Windy B. >> Yeah, B as in bubble. I'm not seeing you. Let's just broaden this. >> Wendy, do you have What about like a grandparents name that might be less common than Williams? Might be able to find someone else in your tree. >> I have. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Clara Price. P R U E S E I believe is the spelling. Clara, when you were talking about Ellis Island, she's German. That's a German. P R U E S E. And when she went to Ellis Island, they changed it to the English spelling, P R I C E. >> No, that that's false. Um, Ellis Island did not change the names. Some somewhere in her in your family, they changed it, but Ellis Island did not change it. They they never had >> that's >> Well, she came in as a German and once she was entered, she she became an English. They changed her to English. >> Well, but keep keep in mind, Wendy, historically, when they come into Ellis Island, they're not changing the names there. I mean, once they settle into America, if if their community or wherever, >> you know, wherever they're working, they find it easier to change the spelling of their name so that it's pronounced correctly. That's what happens. It It's not coming into Ellis Island where they made that change. It was after being in America and living someplace and they decided to change it as a family or >> we have a Nancy Zuckle Z E C H E L German spelling Nancy first name. >> Is that how she's listed in your tree? >> Yes. Uh Zeke. She's a Zeal Williams. So it's Ze Cel. >> Nancy Zuckle like that. >> Yes. Nancy. >> Which one? I believe Wisconsin. Yeah, it's Ann is her. I believe Ann is No, that's Patricia. >> That That's the one that's living there. We We can't look at that one, but there's the Wendy Williams. If you want to click on her, that's her. >> She created that profile on the 28th of July. >> That's me. There's a picture of me right there. >> Yeah. >> Over over to the right up at the top is is your wiki ID. That is your 454. >> Yeah, that that is your Wiki Tree ID. >> I'm gonna write that down right now. 167454. Okay. >> Put that on that on a sticky on the corner of your your laptop. Okay. So, now who are we trying to connect? Um, fish cob. >> Yeah. And see there's Claire. C L A I R A. That's why we couldn't find her because there's an I in her name. >> I have dyslexia, which doesn't help. >> That That's okay, sweetie. >> All right. So, now So, I'm on Ellen Fitch Cobb and And how do we want to connect? Who do we want to connect to? >> I don't know. Um. >> Oh, >> can you move it down some more? >> Yeah. Oh, into the profile. >> No. Um, go back up again. I don't remember all the names, but go back up again and something should click as familiar to me. Not Priscilla Mark, Elijah CL. It might be Elijah Cobb. Here it is. Martha Ford right here and an unknown Ford. >> So that's where is Elijah CL Cobb is how we connect. And here's the Martha Unknown, which is the Martha that came over on the Fortune. >> I'm not seeing the Martha Unknown. Oh, there >> Martha Ford's mother. Uhhuh. >> Yep. Okay. >> Okay. And and now what do you now what do you want want to do? >> Well, I want to know how to get Martha Martha >> Nel as as um Wait, I need to get Elijah Cobb and the people that go all the way over here to Martha Unknown. We need to get them onto my tree. >> There is no My Tree. This is your tree. You're looking at your tree right now. >> We are a Yeah, we are a single family tree. >> I got it. But now, how do I know when we go back? How do I know that I hit that my people in my family to look for Martha? How do they know to hit Elijah Cobb and not a different one down here that's down on the lower? Or how do we get to Elijah Cobb from the previous page? They're not going to know how to do that. which which of the children are the are the ones that's our ancestor >> let's start let's start here we're gonna I'm gonna record this Martha unknown brown okay so I'm just going to get that so I remember who that is okay >> and by the way I'm going to say we're we're in the after hour now >> okay >> okay so now we're going to go back to you okay there you are Wendy >> and I'm and I'm gonna say okay um what I want to know is how is Wendy? Actually, let me let me let me undo what I just did. Um, go this way. And I'm going to go again that way. And I'm going to go to Martha Unknown. And I'm gonna ask, okay, how am I connected to Martha Unknown? >> Okay. Wait, I I'm writing the steps down. So, how did you get to this page? >> Um, >> you went on the unknown. >> So, I'm on Martha Unknown. Okay. I got there and I clicked on it on the by following the tree. >> Okay. >> So, we took some steps to get to get on the tree. >> But now here, let me just put something into if I can find it. There's the chat and So, this is I'm just gonna Artha Unknown Brown. Martha Brown Unknown. Okay. So, I'm sending that into the chat so you can copy that down somewhere so you'll be able to refer refer to that in the future. Okay. Now, what I wanted to do, so you are this is you. I'm going to copy that. And so the first thing I'm going to do here is I'm going to ask how is this Martha unknown connected to me. Now I'm not you. >> Okay. So wait, you went into unknown and then after unknown, what did you press? >> Hold on. Just just just watch. You're you'll be able to play this back because it's recorded. So you don't have to worry about taking notes. >> You can play it back later. Mhm. >> I'm on Martha Unknown and I clicked on her menu item. Okay. Whenever you're on a profile, this this menu item right here will always have the name of the person's profile that you're on. And when you click on it, there's two special things that you might want to use when you're on a profile. One is connection to me and another one is relationship to me. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Now, I'm not related to Martha Unknown, >> but I might have a connection to her, >> so I'm just >> 16 degrees. >> Well, yeah, 16 degrees. So, so I'm going to click on that. And it shows me here's how I'm connected. And it turns out it's through the Macintosh, sorry, the the the Pendletons and the McIntyres and the Urkerts, which is what I would have expected. Um, and >> they aren't in my tree. >> No, they are in my tree. Oh, okay. >> See? So, so, so this is following from me, my dad, his dad, his mother. >> Okay. >> Okay. And it's going all the way back to Robert Pendleton. And you can see it changes color. And that means that there's a marriage. There's a change of blood here. >> Okay. >> Okay. And it goes to Harlo and it goes to Churchill and it goes back back back back back back back back back back back back to Martha Unknown. But now watch this. I'm going to put instead of wanting to know the connection between Martha Unknown and me, we're going to ask it to show the connection between Martha Unknown and you put in Wendy Williams as who we're making the connection between. >> Oh, that is really cool. So there it shows that Martha is 12 degrees away from Wendy. Okay. Martha's daughter son daughter. Okay. You see the whole thing? >> Yeah. This is >> I can reverse the view and have it go the other way or I can do a generational path and then it gives me straight line. But see, if if if this were if you weren't didn't have a straight line connection, it would show, you know, it would go over here and up and across and da da da like that. Okay. >> Okay, that's cool. >> Yep, it is. Um it's just Yeah. So, this this is just one of the tools that you have available to you while you're working on on Wiki Tree. Now, um now let me do something something completely different. So this is um so now instead of we're doing putting Martha there, we're going to put we're going to put you there and me there. Okay. Now remember we were saying there's only one tree. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Well, there's both of us. >> Wow. >> This is how >> And look at this. You've got Smiths. You've got Smiths on your side of the fam. This side. And on my mother's side, I have Smith. So there's Smith is the most popular name. >> It's magical. >> Yes. >> That is really cool. That is so cool. >> Yes. >> Yes, it is cool. You you've come to the place. >> Can these things be printed as well? >> Um. >> Yes. >> I think you could you can print it just as a page, right? There's also a there's an app for this. of course, >> but I'd have to but then I have to remember what all the um what all the individual IDs are and I'm not going to be able to remember that. So So we'll save that for another time. But uh >> uh let me see if I can get That's Albert. It's not you. >> Uh oh yeah, this is how we get to you. Okay, so there's there's you. And now, so if I go to tree apps, and I go to uh I think it's called connections, is it? No. Um Greg was showing this off the other day. Do you remember, Denise? The the uh >> for the the what? for the fan chart or for some other >> he he he had a connections uh a connections view. uh the the CC7 views. >> No, some of the CC7 I don't think. But anyway, so um Wendy, just so you know. So So that's kind of if Well, not you, but if you were looking at Martha, >> could you repeat yourself, Leslie? >> If you were looking at one of her ancestors, you could do all the descendants. And so she could see all the people that Yeah, >> good point. Good point. Um, >> Martha was an unknown, >> right? We get back to Mar. There she is. And so, we'll go to there. So, we're on we're on Martha and we're going to go to the tree apps and we're going to select descendants. >> She's unknown. So, she wouldn't be doing any >> her her maiden name is unknown, >> right? >> But the rest of the data is there for her family. So, her descendants are going to show up. And it's so long ago. She's gonna have millions. >> Yeah, probably. Yeah, that's that's why the tree is still shaking. >> Working. >> Yeah, she had three children with John Ford. Um, one died. Oh my god. She was nine months pregnant on that ship. And who knows how many months you have to be on that ship to get to America. And the day after she landed, she gave birth. Now she either she's extremely courageous or stupid or both. >> Oh, >> to be that pregnant on a ship and there's no Oh my god. >> AJ son died. That child died when he was like three. And then she married >> she married a guy from the Mayflower who signed the Mayflower compact and had three or four more kids with him. >> Who was that? >> She's fertile Myrtle. >> Yeah. just click on the descendants tab there. Um, >> okay. >> Before I do that, I'm going to click on the fortune. Um, and I'm going to look for because I remember earlier I mentioned that one of my relatives was on the fortune. And there he is. >> You can see here there's a list of people who were on the fortune. >> Wow. >> And of course you can see how many people are connected to you. But now if you if you click on the descendants tab from Martha's uh list, it it's it depends on whether or not you've got this checked off as as one of your options, but it will. Right now it's loading. So it's listing the descendants. Now mine I actually get how many. Yeah, this one it just lists the descendants. >> Yeah. >> For Martha. >> And it gives you a a a short summary up at the top. But mine actually gives you a count of how many for each one of those each one of those generations. How many children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. >> Well, she they must have had women's rights or something back then. She was uh given a plot of land and cattle when they divided things up at the Plymouth colony. Well, I think it was more of a settlement then. I didn't think they had colonies. >> Wow. >> The Plymouth settlement with Bradford. >> All right. Yeah. So, cool beans. >> Thank you for all of that. That was very helpful. Thank you. You're >> very welcome. >> It was great to have you with us today and we hope you'll join us again. We hold these sessions every second Thursday evening and fourth Sunday morning of the month. That's United States Eastern time. 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