Meet The Most Interesting Man In The World | NasDaily

hi this is nasir from nas daily welcome back to the iced coffee hour so far i believe this podcast has generated over four hundred thousand dollars in ad revenue it keeps going higher every time yeah no so what are we making about 155 155 yeah man there was a long period of time we were not making that much money at all like just like a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars i'm guessing you made 30k at least in the last month in ad revenue yeah 20. yeah it's like 19. for a podcast on the side come on that's not bad it's not bad at all yeah so thank you so much for coming on this siren it's great to have you on we've been planning this out since september since september we've been wanting to have you on so thanks for coming on i've been wanting to come here and talk to you guys in depth for a while hopefully we can make good tv i think so jack if you want to do the intro yes so this is nasir from nos daily he is as some people say the mr beast of facebook he's got over 40 million says that i don't know i heard it at vidsummit that's funny do you agree or do you i've never heard of that you've never heard of that is that a compliment we make different content he's great but we make different content well by that i think it means like you know tycoon or the boss man got it exactly of facebook you have over 40 million followers across all platforms and overall a great friend and a great guy thank you man sweet thank you how did i introduce jack yesterday can you tell them how did you how did i remember how i introduced him you said i was actually my my memory is so bad oh great remember how did you introduce you we had a dinner last night that's why you're here and you should have been late jack we had i did show up later i'm so sorry the uber was taking forever but we uh there was a dinner last night that you hosted a creator dinner here in las vegas across from the wynn and uh a bunch of finance creators and you were there as well and you introduced everyone around the table and you introduced me i think if i'm remembering correctly as like the attractive co-host or something the most the most attractive yeah that was tough tough well thank you yeah anyway so yes you are our most attractive guest thank you that is a lie so we have to get on to the finances of it all right how much money are you making you said right before we right before we film this podcast that that is the hook let's get into it yeah and you said you were gonna be surprised because you're like it's a lot less than you think i i definitely make a lot less than most people think so let's start here so 40 million followers across all 47 42 sorry it's only 7 million people the population of israel 47 million people how many views does that translate to every month we get 550 million views per month across the platforms across platforms yes jeez i'm going to say there's no way that's less than 300 000 a month you can't you can add revenue well yeah i mean yeah we can't just just say one or the other i would say yeah ad revenue no i had revenue under 100 100 000. no 150 that's my guess well he's good ad revenue he's good yeah how much do you think nas daily makes million a month wow yeah i would say well are we talking net or gross uh just gross gross yeah i would say like 1.3 a month wow man if i was making 1.3 million a month i'd be staying in the wind not at the conrad wow um okay so so so the way the way it nasty works is that you know we have 47 million followers let's say 500 million views but 200 million of these views are non-monetizable because there are youtube shorts so you make 10k from that then you have another let's say 50 million views on tick tock and instagram that's non-monetizable so really the monetizable views and then we have another 100 million views that are in vietnam and indonesia and spanish and arabic very low cpm so really uh you know there's only like 50 million views that are actually monetizable per month wow for us because i index not on money i index on distribution i care a lot about the vws not the usd you know the vws views currency is really important so uh it's kind of complicated thinking about how much nas daily makes to be honest with you i don't track it very well i'm not a i'm not a i'm not i'm not good with with finance but there's a lot of different sources of revenue so ad revenue for us is 20 of what we do it's never been something i've indexed on uh a lot of our revenue comes from production deals uh from nasa academy from government brand deals uh and from uh tourism boards and and this stuff uh so we actually are i'll give you the combined everything everything like nasa academy and nas daily nos group nas group probably makes i should have got the number before you just give us a ballpark uh a ballpark is probably like 900 or something like that okay nine hundred thousand dollars a month something like that yeah so we were close we were really close you were very close i bet a lot of that's from the academy so it's probably half half okay probably half half yeah 400 400 500 500 something like that so if i could access ask a question just because i'm a little bit confused here what kind of videos are you making to make this sort of income because i've never watched your videos um to be honest what the hell are you doing here get out of here how rude you know to be fair jack called me 20 minutes before this podcast and he's like alex get over here but yeah if we could go maybe into a little detail of what kind of videos you're making because i'm sure everybody's curious so the videos we make are are nas means people in arabic so it's it's not daily people daily i didn't know that i had no idea oh jesus christ it's the [ __ ] cover photo of facebook and youtube channels god maybe i should become a finance creator for you guys to give a [ __ ] about me it's like i'll tell you about my favorite i watched i researched this this morning listen to a podcast you were on which one uh collins mirror oh nice nice yeah um yeah so so so i go around the world my team and i go around the world and find the most interesting people and the most interesting places and we just make videos about them it's as simple as that this person in cambodia has 12 speaks 12 languages this person in hong kong looks like tarzan this person is the richest you know uh uh billionaire in the world under the age of 30. you know these are like there's a lot of inspiring people around the world our job is to turn their story into a video that's it you'd be surprised how few people how few videos exist in the world in this in this industry that's fascinating you know what's interesting too is that i had actually never heard of you until vid summit jesus christ because you're white i had exactly but the thing is that you're like exactly your american audience like you don't have much of an american audience for the amount of views that you get only one percent of the country follows nasa no yes we have like three to four million followers hundreds of millions of views a month yeah here in america people don't necessarily recognize you but you're why because some of this content like the bitcoin content that was one of my favorite videos that you did that interview um which one the bitcoin millionaire oh yeah the billionaire yeah yeah why doesn't that get pushed to a u.s audience well first of all it's because of the platform you choose so facebook is actually 95 international only five percent of facebook audience is american so if you're big on facebook you're gonna be big wherever facebook is big and facebook is huge in india it's huge in philippines it's huge in bangladesh huge in pakistan right and and the middle east facebook is nothing in sweden so because of that we were just sucked into the east and honestly i like it because the east also deserves the same content that somebody in vegas deserves right so it's a like content equality so it's it's really important then i think we started youtube uh a year and a half ago and like two years ago yeah and that's where we started to get a lot more american audience uh so on facebook out of the you know 35 facebook followers we have like let's say three million ten percent uh and then on youtube it's the number one country it's like 20 25 but it's very low right you're 85 25 of our content is is american i think it also boils down to the idea that americans love themselves they just [ __ ] love themselves right it's like i only care about basketball or baseball or american football you know how many people give a [ __ ] about american football in germany zero you know so i also give zero shits about nfl so why would we ever make videos about that so we never make videos about american topics i think that's probably why as well gosh that makes sense how do you find these people i'm so curious and what was the first person that you featured and lastly i'm curious how many offers do you get from people wanting to pay you to feature them a lot so the first time i made a video about a human was on day 300. so the way nas daily worked out is i committed to making a thousand videos in a thousand days that was like the biggest hardest most you know ridiculous thing i've done in my life three and a half years of daily video making on facebook not youtube i was anti-youtube back then um and in the first 300 days i was training on how to make videos and i was pointing the camera at myself but at some point i realized i should point the camera at others and that's when things started to go viral so it was some guy in the philippines who invented some some you know uh uh uh you know non-profit thing i would say um the way we find ideas is every country i go to i create a meet-up so a meetup is basically i put on facebook or youtube say i am going to be in peru if you like nas daily and want to be in the video come at this place at this time in in china 20 people come in the philippines 4 000 people come wow you know it really depends on the country and america probably will get 500 or so it depends on the country and how big nice daily is in that country and then i have 500 or a thousand locals and i literally just ask them who is interesting in your country who should we profile give me your your mother your grandfather your uncle somebody you heard about in local news so we literally do like investigative journalism to find ideas that new york times has never found and i'll tell this to everybody i look at the camera if anybody wants to feel like christopher columbus it's too late to feel like christopher columbus as a discoverer right sure like we've discovered every piece of land in the world but if you want to feel like christopher columbus start making videos and go to places that nobody cares about and make videos about the people there you'll be the first person in the world to make that video and tell that story to the outside world and it's kind of like you discovered a new story and there's a lot of meaning in that it's fascinating but first i want to thank our sponsor grammarly jack do you have any new year's resolutions well i'd like to go on some more dates but i can't because of my workload well if that's really the only reason then why don't you get grammarly then you can save a ton of time and go on those supposed dates the beginning of the new year can be a very stressful time but thankfully grammarly's ai-powered writing assistant can help me shed a lot of wasted hours finally giving me the chance to date all of those girls that are practically begging for their superman to show up never say that again writing emails and scripts have become incredibly time consuming but ever since i got grammarly i've been able to write more clearly and mistake free in just a fraction of the time concisely telling someone what i need is crucial for keeping workflow efficient and grammarly's natural vocabulary suggestions have made 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like an empty water bottle uh so that was that was that was really cool and just bringing electricity to people that need it i was like wow that's great more people should know about it and was your first video a success i saw signals of success i saw on the first video about humans yes nas daily failed for the first 270 videos so the first 270 times i made videos it was not a real success it was 100 000 followers on facebook zero money you know averaging 10 000 views yeah you know facebook views are also you know three second views right as youtubers would call them they're fake um so it you cannot build a business on top of that and so day 270 i made a video it went super viral and nast daily became what it is why did you make that challenge to begin with why a thousand videos a thousand days what were you doing before that yeah so i i'm a big believer before making videos i was a software engineer so i was working at venmo fintech this this world i i found a lot of meaning in enabling transactions between people and you know that was a lot of fun especially seeing venmo go from you know nothing to like a 40 billion dollar company now is insane you know um so so uh why did i make a thousand videos because i believe that i'm not the smartest person the smartest people in the world only need one shot at making a documentary it gets picked up by netflix by canes the whole world sees it and they become big right that's the smartest video makers i'm not that so for me to succeed in this world i need to work five times as hard and iterate 50 times as much so i believe that in 24 hours i can fix my mistakes all i need is 24 hours to fix a mistake so if i made a mistake on day 100 310 i can fix it on day 311 and that iterative sort of mindset that that that i'm a big fan of uh enabled me to become a better video maker because i tried and failed and succeeded a thousand times you quit your job at venmo to do this yeah so i quit my job april 8th 2016. i started nas daily april 9th 2016. you're crazy for doing that uh a little bit because i gave up my u.s visa so my h-1b yeah it's really difficult to get why did you want to quit it seems like working at vemmo was a it was a great job the dream opportunity i was making 120k you know 120k i was single living in new york my parents combined make 80k so imagine making more than your parents who've been working for 30 years and you just graduated college yeah what the [ __ ] um i think and this is this goes down to the t-shirt right you know when i when i was at venmo i was selling my time for money you know basically i told venmo i'll give you 365 days of my life and you give me 120 000 the question is how much is 365 days of your life worth especially in your 20s my price then was 500 000 right everything has a price my one year in my 20s because i'll never get my 20s back is worth 500 000 and i just needed if venmo wasn't going to pay that i needed to find something that is worth 500 000 to me and that was traveling and making videos and meeting people and just like being out there you know going to papua new guinea going to ethiopia going to kenya that's [ __ ] amazing um so that's why that's why i had to leave so i also calculated what percentage of my life is done so back then i was 24 24 i ca i asked google when am i going to die turns out there's two people that know when you're about to die god and google google tells you you're about to die at 76 because you're male in the united states if you're female is 78 24 out of 76 was 32 when i realized i was one-third dead of my life i needed to spend the remaining two-thirds of my life doing something important something meaningful and ever since then i've been wearing for the last five [ __ ] years i've been wearing the same t-shirt i was about to say every time i've seen you it's the same shirt does that every year of your life or like do you calculate it so then it's like forty percent yeah forty one percent every eight months so every eight months of your life and my life is one percent of our lives and i started nas daily at 32 percent yeah so i've spent seven percent of my life building nas daily and us academy wow he's not expecting such a good answer yeah that's incredible geez so what do your parents think you're turning away venmo to make videos because that's what i think most parents oh you're making youtube videos so when you of course i'm sure your parents right you know in the past five years ago this is not a this is not a career especially on facebook where there's no monetization but now now i'm really rich they love it i've come to realize that parents want two things for their sons and daughters rich money or fame if you become famous your parents will be happy with you because the because parents care about society what society thinks it's especially in my community if society thinks well of you we support you if society doesn't think well of you or what you're doing we don't support you and so the minute i started to get a million followers and started to get some fame in back in israel they're like we're supportive when i made my first million dollars even more supportive you know so if you want to please your parents like index on one of these two things now now they love it now nas daily is i think the second most popular israeli uh after gal gadot so gal gadot is number one it's very difficult to compete uh but you know for for for them and for me it's more than just money and fame it's you know i'm arab israeli i'm not jewish and uh you know it's very difficult for arab israelis to succeed in israel and be you know known in the world stage and so uh i think for us for me specifically it's a lot more meaningful than making money and getting followers it's showing the jews and the christians and the other arabs that it is impossible for an arab who is a second-class citizen to make it big just as much as a jewish israeli you know that's really important messaging back home that i i want nice daily to to to give wow that's really cool 270 videos in you have one that does well what's that video how cheap is thailand it's all about money oh wow see here we go it comes full circle back to the iced coffee hour so how cheap is thailand guys i'm in thailand and did you know that this noodle cup is 30 cents this hotel with a pool is 30 i can't believe it and for these prices i'm going to buy a hundred meals in thailand and have fun for 30 dollars which is the cost of a cocktail in new york 30 million views wow you know what but everyone in the us secretly wishes they could go and do that if even for a yes yes everybody definitely i've seen those uh really nice airbnbs where it's like yeah this is 50 a night and it's got a pool it's got a view it looks incredible like here that would be like a thousand dollars a night yes make that content the cheapest and the most expensive that content does super well yeah wow so when that video took off how many more like it did you make was that the sign that like okay now i got to go to other countries and do this too yeah yeah for that at that point it was no return no more looking for other jobs content creation is possible as a career i was 100 000 followers before that video i became 400 000 followers after that video one video was 4x my last 270 days the beauty of the internet is that it's not linear it doesn't go you know either like step by step it goes step step step step goes down goes down and then goes up like that yeah i love that how do you know that wasn't just a one-off thing because i've seen so many creators have a one-off video just millions of views and they cannot sustain it it just goes away well i knew if i made how cheap is thailand i knew there's 196 other countries how cheap is philippines how chief is uruguay how cheap is germany you know so i knew that that content could uh extend beyond just a one-off um i was confident of that got it yeah what was the cheapest place now we gotta know if you're gonna pick the cheapest place for i would say the quality of life that you get so not necessarily like yeah you could survive on a dollar a day but like this is the best value for the cost well uzbekistan is the cheapest place i've ever been to in my life but not not a high quality of life yet how cheap is it there or like give us some examples of like how much a meal a place to rent what you get a transportation like i mean i went to like the most expensive restaurant and no meal was about four dollars wow that was insane i was shocked and what's the quality of that like good really how would you compare it to the us in terms of like a like a restaurant is it like a um you know i don't know did you have quality or like yeah i don't need meat unfortunately um you know the us is i think there's a restaurant to like compare it to i mean i would say like the restaurant we went to last night right wow like you you could get the exact same every meal four dollars max okay yeah that's comparable yeah but you know i so we went to like a like a mexican restaurant last night um it was good high quality yeah i was in the strip so everything is inflated right so i would say well i wouldn't say high quality i would say yeah not high quality jack's a caliber of food it's very low and clothing yeah not joking no no no but jack goes to this place what was it called the the mexican place tony's mexican tony's mexican it's good but they serve it to you on like a lunch plate you know it's good it's it's good food but it's incredible what would you say the quality of that is i would say quality it's 11.99 for a chimichanga i would say the taste is great the quality is probably less than medium like on a scale once then it's probably a fourth one i kind of have to trust graham on this one wouldn't you agree with me on this though because it's not about the money that you're spending on the plate it's about the experience right yeah that's a very that's a very issue what i don't like is that they do the sour cream and they put the sour cream in the bottle and they go shh across the thing like that no that's not good sour cream it's pretty gross that's authentic okay thank you alex in a bottle sour cream in the bottle is it really it's off if you're depending on what you get like if you get enchiladas and stuff to go over it yes that's authentic how do you know that look at me man look at my skin tone man come on bro i'm brown you're brown i cannot make uh any assumptions on your race yeah but we're in america so 50 chance if you're brown you're probably from the south aka mexico you have mexico well no i was born in illinois wow there you go if i assumed you're mexican you'd call me racist and you put in the first 10 seconds of this video but anyway my point is you can go to like some some uh what are they taco trucks or whatever and you'll get some of the best food depending on where you are so it really doesn't matter like what it looks like or if they serve it to you on a lunch plate anyway my point being if i take jack to danny's you'd be like this is like a five star denny's is incredible this is like three michelin star restaurant come to dubai again i feel like i'm in the tourism board come to dubai because that's where there is really good food singapore asia dennis is crap america by the way me and my personal trainer like made a decision every time i go to america like index to get three more kilograms of fat because america has no healthy options the big ah i believe it let's so let's go back on uh uzbekistan so you're saying four dollars for a meal the meal in my opinion would have been equivalent to like you know a medium-tier mexican restaurant here no no maybe maybe higher higher okay maybe a little bit higher yeah what about like transportation uh lodging hotel house oh man i i don't i don't remember to be honest with you but i would say everything is everything is like sub 50 like everything nothing is like you know nothing is like more than a 100 bucks i i mean in one way like i i enjoyed making those videos but in another way it's like it's cheap for us but it's expensive for them yes yeah what's the income there because i think i think if we look at it in proportion yes uh if you're spending let's say twenty dollars a day six hundred dollars a month yeah say or even a thousand dollars a month i bet the income would probably 500 500 yeah that's the problem so maybe the you know the big mac index like somebody should find actually where is the biggest purchasing power in the world that would be by definition the cheapest place not oh this place is cheap if i'm a swiss or an american tourist that cheap this place is cheap for locals and tourists alike that's true what is that country i'd love to find that out yeah you should find it yes i think that would be interesting that's a viral video yeah oh the big mac index yeah okay this is good that's good now we got content okay yeah thanks i like that okay um so besides that what would be the cheapest would you say for the quality that you get you know i would i would highly advise people to um look the guy next to you bro you you guys never left america i just learned that yesterday no i've been to canada and i've been to mexico i've been to i've been to canada too it was on a connection canada does not count it was vancouver yeah yeah i would advise everybody to like go to the asia continent one and africa one because asia is like sixty percent of the world lives there six out of ten humans is asian not american actually american is less than five percent so i think a lot of a lot of countries there have like really affordable pricing and good quality living like you can look at bali philippines and honestly dubai singapore i mean they've designed cities and countries and infrastructure south korea like they've designed countries way better than than america did but you just don't hear about it that's the problem so what country is yeah philippines i highly advise you visit philippines okay it's the most culturally similar to the united states because you guys colonized it for a while and but so everybody speaks english everybody's very friendly and it is uh you know incredibly affordable and has the best nature i've ever seen second best but yeah um philippines is the place to go and by by the way you you if if you're building a team i also advise you not just to travel in the philippines and pay cheap prices but also to hire from the philippines they are the most creative video editors i've worked with in my life and 40 percent of my team the studios team is filipino uh all my videos my best editor not best but one of the best editors is a 19 year old girl in the philippines with no college education and she just edits daily videos and she's great how do you find her she watches not standing really yeah so i hire my community i hire my followers basically that's so cool and my students yeah anybody takes my class i hire them what's interesting to me is that you have a plan you told me like your your dream is to have a thousand employees yeah and it's so funny because i draw like parallels between that and graham and graham doesn't want to have anybody really no no he's not the best yeah it's just he was hesitant to hire me he was hesitant to hire alex and he's very satisfied even though he may be working 60 to 70 hours a week he's very satisfied just having two three employees wow i would love to talk to you i'm to interview you now all right talk to me i'm a solo i'm a lone world wolf when it comes to a lot of this why what what what what's the motivation uh i just like doing things myself i've always just been you know i like i i've never played in sports was never a sports person i don't like teamwork no really i saw that without that but uh yeah the framing of this thing is like we gotta do put the green this green guys is because uh yeah well i like the green i think it's a good contrast it looks nice it does look nice but uh you know i've always liked just doing things myself and so i've always picked things that i could do on my own and just do by myself i love that stuff do not forget no i love doing things on my on my own terms uh the way i want to do them and i've always just been like that wow yeah so for me it was like you know making youtube videos or working as a real estate agent on my you know on my own projects or uh you know high schools working uh well not really working but uh like playing music i could do that on my own wow are you not worried that god forbid there's an accident or are you becoming incapacitated or whatever that word is and you just cannot generate revenue anymore that's why i save so yeah i save everything so like i've always planned for a point where if it stops the next day it'd be okay what if you uh what if you die everything you've built dies there's no legacy or longevity well i think the videos would live on so i would be at this point knocking what if anything would happen i'd i'd be so happy the videos are out there okay so your your legacy you'd say is in the youtube videos i would say so now if youtube introduces shorts and you have not done any shorts i'm starting to do shorts starting that i'm starting to do that got it but you knew that's a five year lifetime so after you after you die everything you've built for 50 years i think jack would carry it on jack would carry on the iced coffee hour got it i hope he wouldn't change with graham and jeff you know graham alex and jack jack crossover alex that's interesting yeah jack would probably carry it on uh and then i don't know you know with the money take care of take care of take care of his people employees wow that's just dedicated employees yeah you know one thing i respect about people is people who know who they are and what they want that's very much graham right yeah it's just you know what you want and there's no argument there and i know what i want and it's that uh and both are equally right you know i i get stressed out easily so for me a thousand people or more than like more than alex and jack for me is like too much to think about i can't think about anything wow my brain space is a hundred percent so like anything else like that's why you're saying like uh you're you're into jack i don't remember it it's just my brain can't retain more than the most essential information to get through the next like week that's that's it wow yeah if i don't need to retain it it's not there it's it's bad your description of gram is one of the most accurate descriptions and this is what i tell people too graham knows exactly what he wants and he does exactly what he wants he only does what he wants fortunately what graham wants does not hurt anyone and it's thankfully yeah i didn't think of it that way yeah not the next hitler okay yeah i wanted to be a positive yeah nothing i do would ever would ever be graham never does things that he does not want to do never wow yeah does it make it difficult to work with him yes okay so let's dissect this guy like it's it's very good for the business because generally speaking graham knows what's good he is a pretty good i do what's good for the business yeah the found founders are notoriously difficult to work with essentially your founder of a channel photo whatever it's they're they're impossible to work with and we just have to suck it up and yeah fortunately graham and i have very similar ideals on most things yes so graham is a very much like my way or the highway type person yeah but generally speaking i will agree with the decisions that he makes so it makes it easier on us and jack jack will throw out an idea to me immediately i'll shut it down and then he'll bring it up consistently and i'll start thinking i start marinating on the api and usually after about a month or two i'll be like you know what we'll try it how's that like i'm instead of i'm i'm 100 against it i'm i'm now like 50 50. let's try it nice so there's some things to jackle through out there that uh just take me a little bit that's all that's cool yeah yeah the way i think about it is um i mean you know both all of us want the same thing we want to live comfortably we want to have a legacy and we want to do good for the world i think the way i think about it is once i finish my thousand videos i i realize that if i die the channel dies and if the channel dies then everything we're working towards is meaningless so for me is is my dream is to build a 100-year company how do you build a 100-year company when you're gonna die in 50 years you know there's no other option but to hire people so the goal is to hire as many people as possible to build the institution of nas daily the institution of nas that that impact is so sexy like imagine bringing a thousand people to work together to work on something that is important a thousand people at the same time like it will be a thou it will not it will be 10 000 times more impactful than one person doing it you know because there's scale yes that's what i want to build so uh we're 120 people now and i'm motivated by the size of the company as opposed to the revenue of the company wow so you're going to 10x your employees basically yeah we're going to be 250 by the end of this year and i hope to be a thousand in five years that's hiring one person every three days yeah possible oh gosh what are they what do they all do i'm like i don't know i'm like what do a thousand people do that 250 couldn't accomplish right now so you know with nas academy you know we it's one it's operationally intensive but two we're building exciting technology right we have 20 engineers because you know we're building a different way to learn we're building not just video files and give me money it's like cohort based learning we're building different ways to discover courses we're building different curriculum we're building nft classes crypto classes engineering classes whatever it is and um you know curriculum team is three people operations team is 20 people uh engineering 20 people a product three people uh you know marketing six people hr four people you know there's video editors we have like 20 video editors because we're making courses we're making nice daily videos we're making you know there's there's 20 channels that we're responsible for in 13 different languages so that we upload 100 pieces of content every week can you upload 100 pieces of content by yourself every week that's why you need a team well unless we do clips we could clip everything i'm sure we could find we still would need more people if you wanted to do that you still yeah but i think that's true i think there's a point where there's diminishing returns first video you post 100 second video 90 but you have to appeal to different audiences yes which is how you can continue to not like burn out your audience exactly 100 videos is that like different languages too or like yeah so we have 13 channel 13 languages on five different platforms yeah snapchat tick tock instagram facebook youtube and then arabic hebrew spanish bahasa wow uh so every video we make on nasa every course we put on academy every video put on us daily we've built software to take it and put subtitles in a different language and i'll tell you a story when i hit 10 million followers on facebook i was celebrating i was so happy i was celebrating with my friends and then i realized oh my god my dad is not one of my followers like i found 10 million people and my dad and my mom are not one of them because they don't understand the videos because it's in english if you speak me they speak arabic if you speak english you're talking to the minority 20 of the world speaks english 80 does not [ __ ] know what we're talking about that's crazy alex does your does do your extended family do they speak english uh barely they don't know what the hell you're doing here they think you're wasting your life away they they actually don't know what i do because they don't understand youtube yeah and english uh yep so when we started putting subtitles in arabic and made a whole new channel called nas daily arabic it got five million followers one percent of the arab world follows nice daily two percent of vietnam follows nas daily and i don't speak a single word of vietnamese that's powerful so we think that everything you're making all your content that you guys are making is like you know you're literally saving lives financial lives with your content but you're actually you're only like making the rich richer if somebody's on youtube speaking english in america i mean they're the richest in the world can someone in mexico or in vietnam benefit from your financial advice it's your responsibility to make that content for them in their language i'm worried though because people ask me to make content for like could you make content centered around the uk or like different countries it's so different that a lot of the just do a roth ira index funds doesn't apply in a lot of places yeah so my advice is very us focused and it has to because that's that's the only market i know makes sense but money is universal crypto at some point is universal i think the cryptocurrency audience would be worldwide yes yeah localize it by the way so he was mentioning this to me last night i was curious about the crypto content and i looked it up apparently ten percent of my audience comes from india for cryptocurrency which is wow which is way higher than almost every other topic so i make video about stocks it's like ninety percent u.s crypto 10 india that's less um yeah so and australia was another big one i told you this yesterday graham you are a 10 million follower channel but because of the process now you only have 3 million but what the people that everything your content everything 10 million people need to follow you and how do you suggest doing that different languages okay so multiple ways one is shorts yes start creating shorts two is start creating universal content which is forget the roth ira for a little bit and make a show called universal finance or a show called crypto and and literally just make crypto content once a week as a new show and turn it into shorts and you'll just get a lot of people interested so now your content became universal and then after that step two is start localizing it you know build youtube channels or facebook channels or for youtube channels in spanish and then in arabic and then in yada yada yada then go on wherever humans go so tick tock snapchat facebook youtube instagram every content has to be multiplied 90 times on these different channels in different languages um and when you do that you'll get to 10 million oh man that's graham just sees he hears that and he's like too much work too much okay yeah i'm i'm like like a sniper where like you get one thing to do and i'll do that really well for me that was the main channel uh and then everything else is kind of similar to that so like i could sniper that one little thing but yeah you lost me no it makes sense yeah i mean i'm happy to hear that because it shows i have an opportunity here yes you have a i would recommend you do that because because i could see the light in your eyes when you explain this like you've got it mapped out like that's something that you could do a hundred percent yeah and you've already got the reach on that so you could take it from 50 million to 100 million now yeah yeah great please follow nas finance in arabic and spanish and every other language whatever you speak uh he's got you covered yeah basically so i want to know what drives you what motivates you to do so much to build such a massive team and and continue pushing when it seems like you've basically already made it already made it wow interesting so where did you guys grow up here in vegas no no i didn't know you did not grow up in vegas i mean here is in the us like we grew up yeah we like i mean southern california so i grew up in the most complicated conflict in the world the israel-palestinian conflict the most complicated never-ending solution 15 or 10 u.s presidents tried to fix this conflict couldn't you guys introduced health care you couldn't fix israel and palestine so i grew up in that area as a palestinian israeli so whatever motivates me has to do with my childhood right has to do with how i grew up if you grow up seeing people die for a piece of land it puts a bit in your brain if you grow up seeing people kill each other for religion it kind of [ __ ] you up if you grow up seeing so much hatred rockets falling on people killing them attacks terrorist attacks uh uh all that [ __ ] it makes you think what is important in life is it making money well you could be a billionaire people are still gonna die in your neighborhood um it's actually the most important thing in life is just doing something that could potentially save a life and for me i think it's politics it's not dentistry it's not medicine i think eventually politics is the most important field that everybody needs to be in so how do you get into the politics world well one you need a lot of followers you need to be really good in front of the camera so we're trying to do that and two you need a lot of money so you need to be independent so you need 100 million followers and 100 million dollars if you really want to affect change in this world and stop people from dying that's my goal that's what motivates me get 100 million dollars get 100 million followers and then use those two things to fix the unfixable to fix these conflicts around the world would you do that where would you start when you grew up yeah yeah yeah i i think you know a lot of people [ __ ] on like governments governments in effect especially in america there's a lot of hatred against governments right oh cannot do things politicians are all corrupt you know at the end of the day guys the only reason you're alive is because a politician decided not to bomb the crap out of you that's what it boils down to politics is the most important thing on the planet uh so my 20-year goal is i want to be in the private sector for the next 10 15 years and eventually i want to move on to the public sector because for me that's where the real meaning is uh and then i'll just have no more meaning left in like in like you know making money or whatever yeah yeah yeah so after that what will you feel what if you solve that conflict no you could not solve that yeah and there's always and there's always going to be a conflict yeah always going to be something you solve one and another will pop up so if that another will pop up but exactly probably make it you know net positive still exactly yeah it's a lifelong mission yeah i we were saying this to kevin right before he ran for governor on the podcast by the way kevin white kevin me too oh yeah the guy the california governor right california yeah you were supporting him pretty a lot yeah yeah and we mentioned it now i don't want to take a hundred percent credit but uh i mentioned to him i'm like listen with with the following that you have and his ability to speak he has he had a chance to run yes and what happened and uh well you know he i would say he got way closer than a lot of people thought and did quite well he got like six hundred thousand seven hundred thousand votes what in california on the recall which is insane for for a like you know a youtuber 700 000 people but i but i was explaining to the reach that you have on social media and i wouldn't be surprised if at some point social media people get into politics because of their reach yes they have a reach that just advertising dollars can't get to yes and so you know it like if if you know elon musk runs yeah he'd get a huge vote just because of his reach already or a mark cuban or a mr beast runs at some point like everyone who grew up with mr beast would would just inevitably vote for him almost everybody basically yeah um we've already have the influencer president who was president trump yeah he is the first influencer president basically it's possible so i think it's gonna happen i think it's only a matter of time because everyone growing up watching people uh it's gonna go in that direction the current the current prime minister the next prime minister of israel is is is scheduled to be uh a tv personality which is basically a creator right so everybody grew up watching him on tv and now he went to baltics and now he's the prime minister so i'm curious who are the favorite people that you've met or the most interesting the most interesting people that i've met you guys wow you know the the world is full of uh i mean dude this there's some crazy interesting and there's some crazy inspiring right something interesting is like some guy looks like tarzan and he lives in hong kong right he literally looks like tarzan and he lives in the jungle we gotta see it i gotta see this you gotta see this just type on youtube he is the real tarzan oh my gosh you weren't kidding i wasn't joking look at that holy cow wow how did you find this guy oh my god i had a meet-up in hong kong and someone said my friend lives in the jungle and looks like tarzan and works at disney you want to make a video about him like yeah and so we went visiting him that video you know how many views it got 100 million views oh my god 100 million views how did this guy's life change after that video he became popular overnight in hong kong you know people start taking pictures with him and everything and um you know i think the beauty of making videos is that both parties benefit we benefited because we get more followers he benefited because his story now is out to the world so it's a great pareto efficiency it's a win-win the other interesting inspiring people i would say is the youngest billionaire in the world well the youngest billionaire in the world is not kylie jenner it is a guy in india named ritesh and he started oh you know oyo hotel yeah yeah the founder of oyo hotel yeah uh you know there's like thousands of oyo hotels in india and around the world and you know he's 26 year 27 now and he's about to ipo his company for like i don't know god knows i made 10 billion dollars i mean that's nuts yeah that's inspiring right so that's another person uh um especially because he grew up in like like like a village where people have 100 bucks a month so it's it's it's amazing to see uh entrepreneurship enable you to become a billionaire if you work hard enough um who else is interesting you know there's there's a crazy people the guy who wins like the mustache the most beautiful mustache in the world like really huge take uh take some notes from this guy jack yeah um yeah you know that's that's kind of what we find that's cool who is your favorite who's the most memorable to you i think uh i i you don't have a favorite child and therefore every every video is a child so what's the first one that comes to mind like you're the most memorable just whatever's the first doesn't even have to be a good performing video um [Music] it wasn't about a person my favorite video is called jews versus arabs and it's about uh you know i was uh i was sitting making a video in jerusalem and then some girl comes to me and says you're palestinian you're arab get out of here so it's kind of like a racist interaction and uh that was the most meaningful video i've done in my life because it was shot on camera because my camera was on yeah and so the interaction between me and a 15 year old kid she hates me my people hate her and it's just it's really interesting to see how the pumpkin she's 15. oh my gosh and you have that interaction on camera yeah what was the ending of that what happened she left she said get out of here or you shouldn't be proud to be arab or you guys kill us and it's understandable why you would hate an arab okay it's very easy to hate arabs my people i also hate some of them it's very easy to hit us so i understand why she would hate us because you know you kill us you bomb us we cannot be safe around you and another hand is like okay not every arab is a terrorist and then you know her uncle who was there who was also racist uh he he took her away wow and they both left jeez how many of these do you film and then just decide afterwards you're not gonna post it this video took me two months to think about and post because it's very sensitive and it's not i don't want to be known as the guy who had a racist interaction yes so i kind of want to be known for just like only good things but it's just it's difficult and there's so much it's so difficult um with nice daily every video takes 24 hours so you make it on the day it uploads the next day so there's no time to think only with that video i waited two months but everything else yeah make it today upload tomorrow has there been any videos that you posted that have led to some backlash always yeah there's always backlash i if you are you know if before making content right if you have 10 friends you probably have one enemy right let's say one guy you don't like he doesn't like you but you have nine friends life is good but if you multiply that by a million you have 10 million friends and now you have one million enemies so nas daily has roughly five million enemies five ten maybe ten million enemies around the world that sucks so every video we make has backlash some sort of backlash i don't like the way you're dressed i don't like the way you talk i don't like your mustache i don't like this i'm like that so when you get big enough it's inevitable i'm sure you get that too i'm sure you guys get that as well right a little bit not much it's weird on youtube i want to say 99.9 percent super friendly yes it's then when it when someone reposts something to like facebook or twitter or like another platform where people don't know me then the comments are wild what do they say what's the number one reason people hate you comfortable no bunch of old faces that's my punch it's my punch no we always joke because that doesn't it's like the the most phrased word on youtube like the phrase on youtube is like you have a very punchable feeling like everyone has a punch what are what's the other reasons yeah cheap you're cheap yes are you cheap yes yes yeah but i think it doesn't look like i think it's endearing i don't know i i don't i don't mind it we have to beg you for this set just so you know yeah i was paying for hack no jack owns half of the channel so okay so you get half of ad revenue yeah okay it's fair yeah but still i mean this this set is only a recent development and beforehand we were doing it on a couch microphones we got for free yes yeah using light uh towels as light diffusers still wow yeah so we got like actual studio lights and a nice sound i agree this set has made a difference and i remember we built that made a lot of money because of this yeah i agree the set was a good choice i like the couch and people initially liked the couch because they said like those comments said i missed the couch because it felt like a very laid back just you know buddies on the couch just chatting and i get that i get it but this but i think also they were used to the other one so any change would have been bad true so i'm happy with this how much do you spend per month uh not much well the thing is i'm paying two mortgages so like that skews things heavily um well i mean the keeping two more mortgages don't get the mortgage you're paying in your own assets yeah um i got four thousand five thousand four thousand dollars a month what do you spend it on yeah yeah that's that seems like a lot more i mean i don't know if you don't count like the occasional needing something for like your business or something yeah so so i'm yeah okay so if we're taking out business related expenses a lot of that's discretionary in the sense like we don't need it but if it could help us you know do that hard drive yes business stuff like that what about like labor costs uh basically asking about both their salaries yeah well jack's basically on a percentage so whatever the podcast does um so it's dependent on the performance so i don't really count the labor the real only labor costs that i have for you would be 22 of the second channel and 30 of the mentorship i'm thinking like i don't know it's probably three to four thousand dollars a month like personal expenses because that would include maybe like you know the car insurance well that's not that much it's it's not it's not a lot of money i would say it's probably close to about two thousand dollars that grand spending per month you have health care you have car insurance you have food that's a rounding error that you're spending per month probably yeah wow yeah because i don't need i don't need the the most expensive things are the two mortgages and that's it but that's a profitable thing right if you rent it out yes i could rent it out but if we actually count like interest property taxes stuff like this i don't know that's that's maybe three thousand a month wow like it's not much but i i enjoy that and then everything else is is discretionary for it's usually if i'm spending money on something it's something that i know i could get a return on or it's something that will keep its value if the car is something the car was like 300 grand but i knew that would make more money 300 grand yeah what did you have the ford gt you have the ford gt that's 300 grand yeah but now it's almost 400 grand so but i bought this car knowing that a single function device yes this car to me was something that i could buy and it's it worst case it's a savings account so i'd rather keep my money in a car than sitting in ally bank so between the two the car is already better but i knew the car was going to be going up in value it's just it's such a collectible item so i knew worst case it's going to be like five five percent a year so i'd rather have the car so like certain things like that i could justify because i know it's gonna make money yes close to a hundred thousand dollars in watches yeah those make money they're it's better to have your money in a watch in in the right watch at the right price than a savings account and i believe that's in the right qualification in the right watch it's also better to have it in nfd than in cash some could say some could say someone could say they're right and if it's in the right energy yeah yeah but watches they're they're they can be a fantastic investment so like stuff like that i i really enjoy that but i'd like uh the collectible nature of being able to buy something and have it be worth more than you think you could be a part of you're gonna hate me for this do you know how much i have in cash that's sitting there eroding away probably uh one and a half million two million dollars three to four million dollars sitting there in cash yeah but that's part of the business though right or is that no you personally this is me personally like two million why don't you invest it that's that's terrible i don't know how i don't know you're here at the iced coffee hour like i don't know how to invest i know how it's just it bores the crap out of me you gotta get somebody to do it for you is even is money in a bank account more exciting no it's just not exciting all of money is not if you could pay someone right now thousand dollars to just set it up for you and put move the money from a bank account into an index fund would you do that absolutely i got you man i got you right now i'm telling you i could set it up in 15 minutes if you're american i don't want to do anything with your with america the tax system here is crazy i don't pay taxes can you not invest in a us-based index fund no i don't want to i don't want to don't want it no i can invest i can invest from singapore so there's no capital gains in singapore right and there's no income tax in dubai you do not want to invest in anything in the u.s market no no i i want i will invest from my singapore bank yes yeah i will not tax taxing that okay all you need to do is a total stock market index fund you could go so expensive now it's it i mean more expensive is it being too expensive right now especially if you're talking about index funds everything is overpriced that's what they were saying a year ago and for the last 10 years yeah last year i was busy making videos and what about the year before that oh it was busy you're making videos and you say you wanted the year before that i had no money you say you want to get to 100 million dollars i think realistically one of the best contributors to getting to 100 million is going to be investing 200 i i'm indexing on like one stock to appreciate which is the nas academy stock right so that's why i'm spending 25 hours every day on that stock but if you have that much money in your own personal account that's separate from the business yes you've got to invest that money at least invest half yes two million in cash two million invested and forget that the two million you invest forget that ever even exist just basically burn it to the ground doesn't exist anymore don't look at it for 20 years yeah that's that's your fallback in case anything happens that that two is going to grow to five yeah it's true that's what you need to do and just a total stock market index fund that's it just that one thing and you could even do 80 total stock market index 20 emerging markets are international that way you get more exposure to other countries outside the u.s it would take you 30 minutes to set it oh yeah easily 30 minutes i i gotta do it it's just i've dreamed of being rich but the minute i became rich i realized how how useless it is i'm not useless it's very useful how boring it is to be rich do you feel that way or no you don't like it's it's it's it's a number on a screen like you work like a donkey and i'm working like a donkey to increase that number on a screen in which you only use 0.01 of it every month for nothing i mean i don't well because it's sitting in a savings account doing nothing you know if you if you did something with it you would start to see the benefit like if you knew that you'd have an extra 100 000 a year let's just say let's even say on two million dollars let's say you would have sixty thousand dollars a year extra just here it is in your account do whatever you want with it spend all of it and it's going to come back to you you would be able to make such a big difference for things that are important to you yeah right next was 60 000 for 30 minutes of work so even if the money is like boring to you i guarantee you'll find a great way to spend at 60 000 in a way that's meaningful for you okay okay i'm convinced all right cool i will do it do my job i will do it yeah no i mean i i i will do it i i think it's there is there's you know it's kind of like uh what do you call it i like by the way i've traveled for four years and i don't have an airline miles accounts like i i for four years every one week i was on a plane and i just don't have uh a mile that's another problem that's not as nearly as big of a problem as the cash yeah pretty small cash is way bigger yeah yeah but you should have been paying with a good credit card getting the points getting the miles i would say that's 50 off it would be a good idea for you to hire just a personal like investor someone's just called a private bank well like one an actual employee that would just make these decisions well that person needs to be making 10k a month for it to be worth their time no no it's so easy so easy if there's something you cannot get someone who's like you know how it would probably take them 10 hours a week to do everything that they needed for you the problem is that if you get somebody licensed there are so many regulations for a licensed person to do investment advice that they would have to charge some yeah extreme amount and they wouldn't probably be on their own but you could be one of multiple of their like clients yeah but it's like but if you get somebody who's just a personal finance enthusiast who's like hey you know if i were to do this you know i would probably just do this yeah if it were me they sign you up for the credit cards they give you everything that you need and all you need to do is either swipe or just keep your bank account higher i don't know the regulations for that it's so strict on like paying somebody else to do your finances it's just regulations you're supposed to that's why you know oh you're not supposed to pay something right but you're supposed to be licensed you're supposed to be licensed yeah like if you're like graham i'm gonna pay you ten thousand dollars to invest you can't do that oh gosh no that would be like the biggest violation i would never do that really yeah what if i give you a hundred thousand no i'm kidding deal no no every law has a price yeah interesting yeah yeah no i think one of the one of the issues that nas daily has faced is that we have no country you know when we let when i left america i went to singapore now i'm getting out of singapore to go to dubai and it's just only in the last year have i had a real country presence but for you is much easier i'm in america i'm an american i'm with uncle sam for the rest of my life right so i got to get better with this system but for me i spent three years figuring out what is a better system than uncle sam that saves me more money and i think i found it finally in two countries and so now i'm trying to establish financial ties in those countries singapore in dubai okay no capital gains in singapore and no capital gains in dubai and no income tax isn't to buy slightly better because the no income tax it it is it is but so that the way i'm structuring this this is not financial advice uh is all my stock holdings are in singapore and all my you know all my income because i'm a resident i'm a resident of dubai so this way you get the best of both worlds singapore is much easier to invest in from venture capital funds because they've done it before a lot of companies have listed in the nasdaq from singapore dubai is still very fresh you know dubai have capital gains tax no none so why not just do everything to buy for investors i think they're slightly more comfortable investing in a singapore company than a dubai company for now but i think that'll change in the future got it and how does dubai get away with no tax where do they get their money from i was looking at the government's uh uh uh income statement actually like uh like a week ago i think five people think dubai is oil money but only five percent of the revenue of the government of dubai comes from oil five percent sixty percent come from fees it says fees i don't know what fees registration fees uh uh uh you know there are taxes for like banks and oil companies and some sectors uh you know there's maybe like import tax maybe or like maybe like the airport i don't know but it says 60 comes from fees and then there's a v80 fees no one's gonna question that yeah another one is thirty percent vt which is five percent yeah on on like sales these i'm wondering if it's like import fees like if you take a could be into dubai you're paying an extra fee it probably is that and that pays for everything it was crazy doesn't dubai have like the bugatti police cars is that is that dubai oh yeah the audi r8 do they have that yeah like that is every police car in audi r8 no it's like five out of 500. okay do you see them ever or i saw one or two i saw bmw why why did they do that like what's the point of publicity like i was under the impression all of them were out really yeah well that's the impression they want you to have yeah the idea i think so i think dubai is like the realizes the importance of media which just like hollywood like you know hollywood is like the best propaganda army arm for the us ever existed you know i was a village kid in israel watching uh uh pursuit of happiness and i was crying i was like i love america it's so amazing you know american dream oh independence day oh my god you know like every every country has its own form of propaganda propaganda is not a bad thing there's a bad north korean propaganda there is good hollywood propaganda and i think you know for dubai they're building their own image right for on social media not on the big screen on social media and so if you want to get more views on social media do something extreme build the tallest tower in the world get five bugatti and it works because they need to change the image because your image and other people's images of dubai is like it's a desert or it is uh it is a bunch of you know uh terrorists because it's arabs and it's like no like it's it's actually a different image completely if you visit and see i think i think the wealthy image where you see like the islands the tallest building and the r8 you know police cars and the lines of like rolls-royces everywhere i got a couple rapid fire questions yeah what's your overhead oh good one uh nice daily 170k a month nasa academy 500 came on so you're netting 350 a month well what is it i just did it yeah nas academy is not profitable yet okay not as daily as profitable the nascar is not profitable why it's definitely different legal entities oh so so the engineers and the tech and so still working as a startup trying to get yeah that's kind of his venture back got it so we raised 11 million dollars and we use that to to build yeah 11 million that's a lot of money to build is that a lot of money yeah really no it's not to me that seems like a lot i'm thinking like oh you know making a teachable account you know 99 bucks a month make the content you're making what is effectively like a skill share right you're making what is similar to a skill show right we're making basically the closest one is monthly okay you know monthly no [Music] no it's kind of like a a better a better version of skillshare and udemy something along the lines a better version of skillshare yes okay just call it that but actually we're building creator tools so like we're building creator tech so you are a creator you are a creator like localization gram stuff in arabic we have a google translate for video so if you want to make your videos into arabic we can spin around in 10 minutes make all your channel in arabic that's tech we're building uh education tech you know all that stuff costs money got it okay we also look so we raised 11 million and we have we have like 7 million left in the bank um but we're losing money every month but you know the goal is in the next three four months to go and raise series b you know go raise 40 50 million dollars and build even more you know that that is the game i want to play yeah and uh for that you need to hire yeah i'm so different from that it's it's weird i wouldn't do something unless it immediately makes money from day one somebody told me this before a venture capitalist told me this before if you want if you like profit today it means you care about today more than you care about tomorrow like you're actually pessimistic about the future basically what it boils down to if you invest today it means you think tomorrow is going to be so much better that it's worth losing money today and when i heard that i was like yeah why am i making like 400k profit per month [ __ ] that so i literally took took the 400k and i hired 50 more people to me to me it's about sustainability because if you know you can make money today you know you can make money tomorrow yeah and so at that point the money today is something that you could reinvest even more and then let it grow but it's but it's making money today yeah but but the money but you said reinvest right yes but what if you can reinvent beyond the dollar that you have what if you can invest your dollar but then i worry dollars i'm worried about growth too quickly about getting you know putting what do they call putting the cart before the horse bro what is growth too quickly nfts go from zero dollars so it's a hundred million dollars in like a year there's no and if anything we are doing growth too slow i don't know i think slow and steady slowest yeah i've always taken a different approach though i've always done that i mean most likely in 20 years we'll end up in the same spot right it's just i mine is a lot more like this maybe i might yeah i don't know yeah you know i yeah the way i feel about it is like you know i'm 39 you know i have like this much left i'll never be poor you'll never be poor you'll never be poor it's like let's let's take a couple of risks yeah what is the last time you took a big risk did you ever bet your existence i'm betting my existence on this no he definitely is not you should bet your existence on something i don't want to take unnecessary risk it's not necessary because if you bet it you end up with something amazing no to me that's unnecessary risk like elon musk bet his existence on spacex yeah no i don't think i could do that though makes sense how about you jack could i bet my existence meaning everything that i've worked for everything that i have yeah just put it in one big thing if i was extremely sure of it i probably would but for me to find something that i'm so sure of that i would bet everything i've worked towards probably not you wouldn't find i i i think it could happen but it's probably pretty unlikely let me give you an example i was so sure about youtube and i i've wanted to make youtube videos when i was 21 years old and i just i felt it and i was like i i just felt like this is something i have to do i i didn't do it for five years i was 26 when i made my first youtube video and i was working as a real estate agent i was even making up to a million dollars a year on youtube i was still working as a real estate agent i couldn't knock that off because i knew that it was so risky and i waited until the point where i was like now is the right choice wow that took me three years to get to that point kind of like mark robert right mark robert was had 10 million followers and he was working yeah he was working nasa yeah right so to me that was like i you never want to bet everything on one thing in case it doesn't work out i wanted something to fall back on it for me you know it it as long if if i scale back on working as a real estate agent to any degree it's so much more difficult to build that client base back up if i've spent like eight years building up a client base it's consistent if i start turning that away then when it's at its peak that could be disastrous in the event something else doesn't work out but don't you trust your inner self like if i could do it once i could do it again i'll tell you something right yeah yeah right now you have proven that the masses like your personality even though some people say punchable face you've proven you have a product market fit and i've proven that despite the haters i have enough people that like me yeah for me therefore i could do whatever the hell i want i can come back and just start from zero and build nice data again i don't have the energy the same energy as it did when i was 21. well how do you know uh 31. got yeah if it's an energy thing i i i i see that especially if you have kids and a family oh my god yeah yeah i know i look back at uh like everything really the last 10 years i'm like those are these are crazy hours i mean maybe i could do it again but uh like today i just i probably have eighty-five percent of the energy i had back then maybe eighty percent you're eighty percent what are you at now what i used to have back then yeah still a hundred no i would say no i'd say a year ago today i'd say you went from 100 to i think 100 to 82. oh my god he's saying you're decreasing in performance no i think i'm increasing increasing output jack is increasing output decreasing time the hustle okay so if we're talking about direct work hustle sure i hustle less now but i'm not opposed to going back and if i have to hustle i'm not opposed to that if i have to do it i have to do it you have anything tying you down yes like you have a family of kids nothing he's hiking today like tying me down insofar as like i want to travel and i want to go experience stuff seriously yeah i wanted to do a spa day with jack and alex today and jack was like no i can't i i got hiking things going hiking you're tied down by hiking yes you're gonna go walk on a mountain that sounds amazing like here that's we have different preferences the point is it's like i i do have the grind i do have the hustle but i love to spend that efforts doing other things that like i feel like are more rewarding and valuable for me like going hiking with my housemates like going out last night i've lived in las vegas for like nearly a year now and i've gone out to the strip maybe like three times so that was the third time that i've gone out yeah that was the first time no we've gone to the wind before no but we never like went like okay sure but that's also on your like because if we go out with graham it's generally always it's it's on his terms so it's like we go to this hotel we go to this casino we do this he needs to be independent bro this was this was like probably the third time i've actually gone out i've never been to a club ever so i'm trying to spend now some time i like jack to like go in china right clubs are overrated how are you 23. oh okay well there's also that okay but yeah i mean i i like i i still have the hustle but i want to spend that efforts and stuff doing stuff that i find more fulfilling like i love work it's great and it's rewarding but i think i need to spare some time for other things that i think are more fulfilling and are closer to my end goal what percentage of your life guys do you spend working oh probably 85 90 for me 90. yeah you go to the spot today how's that 90 uh it's work uh where's the workbench the family we're doing i wanted to do a whole spa day we got a sponsor in this to family and i forget who meant juices you mentioned yeah he would be fun to do a spot at all of us because jack has never gotten a massage before it's just for content for content but i think it's graham and i have different ideas of what work is so for example you ask me jack what do you spend like what percentage of your time you spend like working i would probably say like 40 wow yeah but realistically as graham deep inhale exhale but as far as as far as me doing stuff that i'm not necessarily enjoying but i have to get it done because it's like a requirement of living you know what i mean probably closer to like 75 percent got it yeah that makes sense 80 for example like setting up my back door roth array setting up like different things fixing stuff at the house like i'm always busy last night it was also work basically i see i don't qualify that as well that is working you're not working something beautiful could come out look what happened we went to the dinner we got this content and you're going to make 2k from ad revenue that's work let's hope we make 2k then they'll be good that'd be nice yeah you gotta make two let's see yeah that's cool yeah i think i'm more like you than like 85 to 90 yeah but i love work yeah like if you give me a day to do whatever i wanted i would work i don't think you do graham i don't think you love work i do nope i disagree i think graham thinks he loves work because it's good enough i think graham has been on one of the longest and gnarliest dopamine detoxes of anyone i know i think jack has a skewed perspective because i only tell jack about the times where i am just like having a difficult time when i reach out to jack hey man i can't think of a topic today what do you think yeah nothing going on that's all jack hears jack never hears the times where he doesn't hear from why don't you share the good stuff with him hey jack look at this amazing this video is true it's like our relationship is built off of jack this happened man can you fix this this is terrible and i'm like oh man he really seems stressed out that is true but the thing is to let yourself get to the point where you are stressed out and you're you're like antsy and kind of frantic and sometimes like you know nervous or irritable to let yourself get to that point there has to be something in your life that is not going so well it's like i i don't necessarily i would say it's normal it is normal to feel those things but you also feel them in higher volume than other people do and also i think like if you're content with your life and you're fulfilled and you're happy you don't let yourself like unreasonably feel anger or or bad emotions like that like at the end of the day if something bad happens you know you'll be okay because every every other like aspect of your life is is balanced and content no i don't believe that yeah i feel like if you're nervous you care yeah you know shawn mendes had a documentary with casey neistat i don't even see he said if you're nervous it means you care if you're not nervous you don't give up i think being yeah i agree feeling nervous but feeling nervous in a good way because you're versus feeling nervous in a bad way so those are two different i remember reading somewhere that you don't feel emotion or you don't get angry or upset or sad or happy about things that you uh that you don't care about yes so you only feel those emotions towards things that you that mean a lot to you correct and otherwise if i didn't feel any emotion over the channel i wouldn't care at all correct would not be where it is today the emotions good but i think it's i think it's different because it's i'm not talking about like things directly tied to work but just in general like being sometimes irritable and stuff like that outside of work and i think that because of the stuff that you like your work-life balance it tran it translates into other things aspects of life that's true but uh no i mean i i agree with that i agree with that portion but uh but yeah when you're working like eight hours it's hard to come out of that it's hard to you know snap and like when you're so focused on one thing to then like emerge from this cocoon of the office yeah right but if you spent a little bit more time like introspecting and and thinking about things and maybe i don't meditating i don't meditate but just giving yourself a little bit of time you know what i mean and slowing down for a second i think it would do you a lot of justice yeah see this is the part where like i'll disagree with jack for a few months and then slowly over time he'll be coming he'll wear me down a little bit so this is one of those things where like right i know i should be probably meditating that's probably something i should be doing i'm not doing it so you should also do what he called vipassana you know have you heard about vipassana i i a lot of people are telling me to meditate as well i'm also been opposed to it for the last five years uh but the pasta is basically you should do like you should try it out it's like a 10-day silence retreat you just you go to this ashram in india and you literally do not talk for 10 days it kills you inside and there's like 20 people around you and there's a guru there and the whole line and you cannot even write like you cannot think you know internet nothing you're just sitting there and you've all know harari you know universal harare the you know sapiens the book the book sapiens okay pretend we know nothing you're talking to a brick wall just explain everything no it's just the most popular book that's sold in the last year i didn't even know that recently if there's anything everybody if there's anything they told us that was like 20 year old yeah all right if there's anything to get out of this read the book sapiens because it'll [ __ ] change your life yeah including you guys it's like a brief history of humankind anyway this author who's super super rich super popular super everything everybody loves them uh he he's the busiest guy in the world every day every year he goes 10 years 10 days the pasana and just detox and if he does it then you should do it i should do it we should all do it i would love to my housemate apple did it i did it yeah you did it oh that's cool it can't work out it's literally just meditating the entire time that's cool yeah i would like this might sound stupid don't you get bored probably for sure yeah people told me my friend did it recently you start crying because you want to speak you want to express you start crying graham doesn't do that yeah i don't mean to like offend people who do that but to me that sounds like a waste of time i don't think people nowadays have enough time some could say this podcast is a waste of time i disagree it doesn't sound like a waste of time but like what's what comes from that like how do you how do you emerge from that and you become deeper with who you are i think that i think what's happening is that because of technology and the internet and friends and without it's like your public persona and your deep core persona are becoming so different and like there's graham on the internet and there's graham in real life and i think the whole idea of the puzzle is to bring understand who you are and bring it closer i think a lot of it's also just having solitude because nowadays nobody has solitude because you're constantly being stimulated by like conversation because you're always texting people you get you know pinged on your phone you're always being stimulated by something but to remove that stimulation finally gives you a chance to just think and see what comes to your brain and not to just reach for your phone whenever you're bored or something like that yeah jack i agree with that but why do you need to go not say anything for 10 days it just doesn't click for me in my head probably 10 days is long enough for you to like to break you like everyone could do a day almost everyone could do two days yes ten days that that takes a lot of mental strength yeah that's what i think i think the challenge is like a challenge for yourself yeah you know here's a suggestion to improve this this podcast have a screen right here so literally we could just go we're passing up boom oh this how it looks like amazing kind of like that's what this is supposed to be oh really yeah and we actually were planning that on putting a screen right there but it's behind our guests so we're still thinking oh yeah this would be amazing if i could just like google real quick this is what it is yeah yeah the tarzan this is how it looks like you know graham quick question for you yeah why do you vlog it doesn't seem like it's like your type uh we're still trying to figuring that out to be honest with you initially i thought that it would be like i'd want to do van life at some point and i'd want to van life oh yeah wait you get an event you go to around the world i would love to be able to do that there's a lot of followers for that yeah and i think yeah so not only would it be different content but i think we could do something really unique with the podcast kind of like what um jeff's barber shop is doing with it with the thing in the back we could take this on the road yeah go around the us i think doing that for like six months to a year would be so much fun i thought well you know i'm not gonna be able to produce the main channel content in the same quantity uh by doing that we'd probably do three episodes a week on the podcast or you know so the podcast would do quite well so i thought well if i build out a vlog audience i could vlog the entire process yes so that was the goal so that we could do other things and travel but still maintain that that presence and be productive and work so that was why um i wish you the best of luck thank you so much man really appreciate you coming on is there anything else you want to mention thank you for spending so much time on this uh [Music] what were you saying thank you to the editor for spending no no i thought you were trying to find that editor he's alex right no his name is not alex no it's andrew that's alex the the editor is andrew oh why would i i do why would you talk to the engineer i don't know moving on gosh keep that in there andrew please keep it don't keep it in there andrew thank you for editing this all right with that said andrew thank you so much and to the 200 000 viewers expected thank you so much for watching this i hope it wasn't a waste of your time i hope you learned something and type in the comment section where are you in this spectrum right because it's like really a spectrum on the gram side and the jack side or the nice daily side in terms of like you know uh uh uh uh just normal stuff like everything we discussed yeah that would be interesting to see that make the comment interesting interesting please the comment section interesting that would be good thank you guys so much for watching also make sure to subscribe we'll link to your information down below in the description as well and while you're at it get your free stock it's worth all the way to a thousand dollars when you sign up for public are you monetizing them you're monetizing your audience what you're just sucking money out of your audience and they get a free stock technically they get a free stuff and what do you get free stock you also get a free stock free stock too say if i buy an apple stock you get an apple 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