Medical and Dental Expenses Software Example 5042 Income Tax 2025 26
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The video provides a detailed walkthrough of how medical and dental expenses function as itemized deductions on Schedule A within the context of U.S. federal income tax preparation for the 2025 and 2026 tax years. Using an example scenario involving a single filer named John Smith with $100,000 in W-2 income, the narrator explains that taxpayers must choose between taking the standard deduction or itemizing their deductions to lower their taxable income. The primary focus is on the specific hurdles required to claim medical expenses, which involves exceeding both the standard deduction amount and a percentage floor based on Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). For a single filer in 2025, the standard deduction is $15,750, and medical expenses are only deductible to the extent that they exceed 7.5% of the taxpayer's AGI. This dual requirement creates a significant barrier for many individuals, as medical costs alone often fail to surpass these thresholds unless there are extraordinary circumstances.
A critical complexity highlighted in the discussion is the interaction between mortgage interest, property taxes, and medical expenses. Historically, owning a home in a high-cost area allowed taxpayers to clear the initial hurdle through deductible mortgage interest and state/local taxes, thereby opening the door to deducting additional itemized expenses like medical costs. However, the video notes that recent tax law changes have restricted the ability to deduct miscellaneous itemized deductions, such as unreimbursed employee business expenses, which previously helped lower-income earners reach the itemization threshold. Consequently, for high-income individuals who already itemize due to home ownership, the 7.5% AGI floor becomes a substantial obstacle that can negate the benefits of their medical spending, whereas low-income individuals face the challenge of simply reaching the standard deduction amount with their medical bills.
The transcript also addresses practical issues regarding the timing and source of payments for medical expenses, particularly concerning Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) and premium tax credits. The narrator warns against "double-dipping," where a taxpayer might incorrectly attempt to deduct expenses paid with pre-tax HSA funds or government-subsidized insurance premiums, as these amounts have already received a tax benefit. Furthermore, the video illustrates how splitting large medical payments across two tax years can be detrimental; because the AGI floor is recalculated annually, a significant portion of expenses might fall below the deductible threshold in each separate year, resulting in less total deduction than if all costs were bundled into a single year. This underscores the importance of cash-based accounting and strategic timing to maximize deductions when substantial medical events occur.
In conclusion, the video demonstrates through Excel modeling how these various factors converge to determine the final tax liability. By creating a worksheet that calculates the 7.5% AGI floor against total medical expenses, the narrator shows how the deductible amount fluctuates based on income levels and payment timing. For instance, reducing the taxpayer's income from $100,000 to $30,000 significantly lowers the AGI floor, making it easier for moderate medical expenses to exceed the threshold and provide a tax benefit. Ultimately, the takeaway is that while medical expenses can be a valuable deduction, they are often not sufficient on their own for most taxpayers to justify itemizing unless combined with other significant deductions like mortgage interest or if a specific year's events allow for the aggregation of costs to overcome the statutory limitations.
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United States income tax software, tax
forms, tax formula example doing the
data input for itemized deductions on
the schedule A category of medical and
dental expenses. So, get ready and some
coffee so we can recognize the code
cracks when doing income tax
preparation.
Here we are in our form 1040 example
using the cert tax software. You don't
need tax software to follow along, but
if you have access to it, it's a great
tool to tinker with. Tinkering being a
great method to learn from. Standard
starting point, John Smith living in
Beverly Hills 90210. Filing status
starting at single. No dependents,
100,000 in the W-2 income. No
adjustments to income, so we have a nice
easy 100,000 AGI to start off with. Page
numero dos, number two. 15,750
standard deduction. This being our point
of focus because we're looking at the
greater of standard or itemized. Our
focus this time on the itemized coming
from the schedule A. So, right now we
have 84,250 at the taxable income. Tax
calculated at 13,455
using our worksheet over here.
Progressive tax system, multiple rates,
the highest one or marginal rate 22%.
Let's close that out and go back to our
Excel worksheet noting in a formula
format. We would have the 100,000 W-2
income, no adjustments to it. Therefore,
the AGI still at 100,000. Our point of
focus this time being the below the line
deductions, greater of itemized on
schedule A or standard. Currently
standard at the lowest level, mainly
dependent upon the filing status, which
is currently single, 15,750
pulled over here. And that gives us the
84,250 taxable income. Tax calculated by
the cert at 13,455 backing into the rate
which gives us an average rate not the
marginal rate average rate 16%
let's go back on over so our focus then
is going to be on this line and it's
coming from the Schedule A so if I go on
over to the Schedule A this is the
itemized deductions now we clearly have
to clear the hurdle in order to take the
itemized deductions which is like 15,000
at this point in time
so that's a substantial hurdle usually
will not be cleared by the medical
expenses what is the thing that usually
clears people through the hurdle it's
going to be owning a home and usually a
home in a higher cost of living area why
because then you would have a
substantial loan on it most likely the
interest part not the payments but the
interest being deductible and it would
result in substantial property taxes
which are state and local taxes which
could be deductible for the federal side
of things once you've cleared this
hurdle then it you have to kind of open
up the question for the medical expenses
this being one of the problems with the
Schedule A layout historically being
that it it was kind of sold as though
you need to buy a home because if you
buy a home that's the American dream and
then that actually gives you access to
these other categories which used to be
more inclusive adding things like 2% or
miscellaneous deductions possibly
allowing you deductions for like your
your your business expenses even though
you're W-2 employee
which is a a little bit of a problem
right the problem with the Schedule A
here is that usually it's going to be
more wealthy people that that qualify
for the Schedule A
and once they qualify for the Schedule A
these other categories suddenly open
themselves up where they wouldn't have
opened themselves up before. That seems
a little unusual and I think they fixed
that to some degree, meaning if we have
high taxes and interest and we clear the
schedule A,
clearing the standard deduction, you
still open up the possibility for
charitable deductions,
but we don't have that as much of that
weird thing where you might be able to
deduct your your work expenses and stuff
even if you're a W-2 employee. And the
medical expenses are kind of hedged as
well with this component, the 7.5% of
the AGI that has to be cleared. This is
quite confusing and I wanted point it
out because the question with medical
expenses that comes up is do I have to
go through the problematic
process of adding up the medical
expenses because there's no 1099s
typically for them. You don't have any
1098s. You just have to like go through
the the payments that were made, which
is quite
difficult in part because you could have
other things confusing things such as
some of the payments being made by
insurance. Is insurance deductible? You
have insurance on family insurance,
possibly different insurance within a
household and they could have a high
deductible plan and therefore have a
health savings account, which could
muddy up the question of the payment
that was made cuz you already got a tax
benefit on it as well as the premium tax
credit could muddy up the question as to
whether or not you have a deductible
component here. So, really the question
is do I have to deal with the medical
expenses or not? If they if they're
nowhere near
uh uh
the standard deduction, in this case,
you know, 15,000 for the single filer,
it's pretty far away from the current
itemized deductions,
then you probably don't have to add them
up unless there was some catastrophe
where they have a lot of medical
expenses because they're not going to
add up to the level that they would need
to clear. In other words, for example,
we started here at $10,000.
So, at $10,000
uh the they still only get 2,500
because of this floor. How does the
floor work? Well, you've got 100,000.
Where does that come from? It comes from
the uh adjusted gross income, meaning
1040 uh page one
and then
uh we have line 11A. That's after the
adjustments. We talked about the
adjustments before. So, any adjustments
that we have would lower the adjusted
gross income, which would lower the
floor that we would need to clear in
order to get these medical uh expenses.
Let's go back on over. So, if it's at
100,000, that means that uh we we have
to clear the floor of 10 of 7.5% of
that, which is 7,500. 10,000 - 7,500 is
only 2,500.
So, that's going to that's nowhere near
enough
on its own for us basically to clear the
hurdle. So, we would need so So, that
means normally we would say, "Okay,
you we probably don't need to add up the
medical expenses, great, because that's
a pain." Uh how high would they have to
be? Now, if they did something like
large uh then then you could have
medical expenses. So, for example,
possibly they put something in their
home like an an electric thing to get up
their stairs or a ramp or something,
which is considered deductible for
medical expenses, in which case
uh that could be a expensive item, which
might be able to allow you to clear the
hurdle, you know, at that one time. All
right? So, if I go back on over here and
we say uh
uh let's just let's just say that the
medical expenses were like uh
30,000
or something like that.
And I go back on over even at at the
30,000, if I have 100,000 of income,
22,500 would be deductible.
And so now we're at 23,463
including uh the state taxes. So now
we're over that 15,000. If I go over to
the 1040
and then I scroll down, nothing happens
to page number one, but page number two
now has the standard deduction being
replaced. It was at 15,750.
Now it's at 23,463.
Noting, however, that number is still
below what it would be for married
filing joint, 31,500.
So so right. It's like it's just 76.5
and uh the tax at 11,750.
Okay, so let's go back on over. Now,
just realize as well
what if I put in that $30,000 ramp or
whatever as a construction and let's say
that it it qualified for medical
expenses.
Well, what if I paid for it and I paid
for like half of it in tax year 2025
and half of it in 2026.
Notice that could be a problem and I I
know this isn't like the right category
right here, but I'm just going to say if
I put 15,000 in in 2025,
notice that 15,000 is going to be eaten
up
by the 7,500 floor. So now I only got
7,500.
And then next year, if nothing changes,
if the tax code is the symmetrical
system, I'm also only going to get
7,500.
Uh uh meaning it got eaten up like
twice, right? I got I got I got the
seventh instead of just eating out 7,500
of it.
It ate out
14th 15,000 of it, right? So, that's
something to keep in mind if there is
substantial medical expenses, often
times you don't have any control over it
if it's a hospital thing and it's like,
"Okay, it happened in December and we're
going to pay the bill when the the bill
becomes due. Okay." But, if if there's
substantial medical expenses and you can
group them in one year and instead of
having them go over two years, there
could be benefit to that because of this
7,000 this this
it's not always seven it's, you know, a
percentage of the AGI
uh uh
thing is going to be a problem. So, you
might be able to bundle the expenses in
the same year possibly using the fact
that you would do have a somewhat
cash-based system. So, make sure the
payments are happening within the same
year
uh without, you know, there's there's
some rules that could go outside of
that, right? Uh in terms of the tax code
won't let you manipulate the cash-based
system too wildly, but you might have
some ability to
bunch the payments together.
Okay.
Okay. So, so now so now this
now this 7,500
uh isn't going to isn't going to be
enough for me to clear
uh the hurdle. But, if I already cleared
the hurdle because I had interest uh on
the on the home, I owned a home in a
high cost of living area, which means I
have high mortgage interest and uh
property taxes, then
adding up the the the medical expenses
would be more likely that it might be
something worthwhile. Let's check that
out, right? So, if I go back on over
here and I say, "Okay, itemized
deductions
interest on the home, let's say the
interest on the home
mortgage interest was
uh you know, just 15,000 in and of
itself, which means I most like I almost
certainly have property taxes as well.
And let's say the property taxes were
6,000.
Well, now I've already cleared the
hurdle
with that. So, now So, now the the the
the interest is at the 15,000, 6,000 of
the property taxes. Notice that already
clears the 15,000 some seven of the
hurdle. That opens up the door for other
taxes, such as state income taxes.
That's what this is calculating. Uh and
then it opens up the door for me to
possibly be able to add up the medical
expenses.
But, the medical expenses are still
uh limited
to
to uh having to clear that 100 the AGI
hurdle. So, now I have a high cost a
high income individual or higher income
individual of 100,000
same 100,000, but they own a home. The
home is pushing them over. Therefore,
the question is, do I have to count up
the medical uh expenses at at this point
in time? Well, if they don't have a lot
of medical expenses, maybe not because
they'd still have to have medical
expenses that clear the 7,500, right?
What if their income was even higher?
What if What if they What if their
income was like
uh
like 500,000.
And I go back on over here.
And I say, "Okay, now 7.5% of 500,000 is
37,500.
So, now it's very unlikely that that
that they're going to be able to add up
their medical expenses and get a
deduction even though they've cleared
the hurdle to itemize due to the house
clearing the hurdle
uh
because this floor is now is now acting
as a as a
as a thing that won't allow them to
clear. So therefore, high-income
individuals are likely to be itemizing.
Therefore, you would think they would
have the benefit of medical expenses,
but they still are going to be locked
out because of this floor calculation,
which kind of makes sense. It's a weird
kind of thing, but that kind of makes
sense cuz why would the high-income
individuals have access to the deduction
and not low-income individuals?
Low-income individuals are not going to
have this floor problem,
uh but they're going to have to clear
the standard deduction in order to get
the benefit. Let me show you what that
means. So if I go back on over here
and let's say the income is is like
uh 30,000
or something like that. And then we go
to the deductions and say what? 30,000?
Let's say they don't own
a home, no interest, and whatnot.
uh
uh and then we put 15,000
in uh the medical expenses now. So now
uh if I go to the form 1040,
they're at 30,000, a lot lower of the
income, obviously. No adjustments, page
number two, then still 15,750
on the standard deduction. So so so so
in order to get the benefit, they're
going to have to clear
this 15,750
with just the medical expenses, but the
floor of of the 30,000 isn't as much of
a problem. In other words, if I go back
on over here,
now if I had 15,000 of the of the
medical expenses,
I have 30,000 AGI, that's only a 2,250,
much lower hurdle for me to for me to
clear. So, the 15,000 minus the 2,250
is is 12,750.
So, that's still not clearing the
hurdle, but it's a lot closer, right?
So, if I go back on over here and I say,
"Okay, my medical expenses, let's say
they're 25 thousand in a particular year
for whatever reason.
So, so even 20,000 probably would have
done it would have done it.
20,000 medical expenses.
So, so now
the twen- So, now the 20,000 medical
expenses uh still has to clear the floor
of 2,000 uh 250, but
the that's a lot lower number. So, now
the now the medical expenses in and of
themselves
are able to allow me to clear the hurdle
of the standard deductions of the 15,750
or whatever,
uh because the AGI limitation isn't the
problem. So, that's where the that's
where the play is, right? So, if it's if
it's if you're low-income individual,
then then you're you're going to have to
have high medical expenses if that's the
thing that's going to push you over
because you're basically pushing over
the standard deduction, which if you're
single would be around that 15 to 16,000
or whatever, right? And if you're
high-income individual, then you
probably already are itemizing because
maybe you own a home and you have
property tax on it and uh the mortgage
interest. Uh so, that's so so you would
be able to to have the medical expenses,
but you're probably going to be not
having it still
unless you have a lot of medical
expenses because this AGI limitation's
going to kind of lock you out. Uh
so, that that's the that's the basic
that's the basic thing. Okay. So, so the
other thing to kind of keep in mind here
with the medical expenses
is that
uh, you you you could have an a health
savings account and if you have a health
savings account uh, you will recall that
that's something that we talked about on
the on the on the on the schedule one
and it's kind of like when you put the
money into a health savings account,
then you might get a a benefit when you
put the money in, kind of like an IRA in
that it wouldn't be included in income
or possibly you could uh, deduct it from
uh, the income. And then when you take
the money out of a health savings
account, the the goal is or the reason
they allow you to put it in there is so
that you can pay for medical expenses.
But now you're paying for medical
expenses with money that was tax-free.
You didn't get taxed on it, right? So
then so then you can't take the money
out of the health savings account, which
you didn't get taxed on, and then also
get a deduction for that money that you
spent on the medical expenses. That
would be a form of double dipping. So
that so that becomes kind of a problem
just in terms of the logistics because
now we have to say, well, where did the
money come from? Did it come out of an a
health savings account or did it not
come out of a health savings account
because if it didn't come out of a
health savings account then then we'd
haven't already got a tax benefit and
therefore it could be included in like
this 20,000.
If it did come out of a health savings
account, then likely you didn't get
taxed on it, whether it's a health
savings account through your employer or
not. Now, when does that health savings
account come up? Usually for lower
income individuals
because they have a high deductible plan
paired with the health savings account.
So, it's usually the lower income people
that have these complexities, these
weird weird situations that actually
take a lot of
kind of complications on these types of
things, right? High [snorts] income
individuals have their own weird
complications, obviously. Real estate
and stuff like that, usually, but But
then So, the other weird thing is the
advanced uh the the the credit that you
could get for for the
uh uh insurance, meaning
uh if you're on the marketplace, as they
call it, because you have a high
deductible plan, then you might be able
to get uh a premium tax credit, which
again kind of complicates things,
because now
part of the part of the money that's
being paid for the the premium is
basically being paid by the government
with the premium tax credit, which again
me could lead to like a potentially
double-dipping situation.
And again, the only people that usually
have that situation are lower income
people with a high deductible plan who
are on like the marketplace. So, you get
this muddy situation with this crossover
of, you know, is something deductible in
multiple different areas kind of of of
thing. Now, the other thing that comes
up in the medical expenses would be what
is deductible, and that
uh
uh is a is a question
that usually is pretty straightforward,
you know, like and we went over that in
our in our prior presentation on on what
is and is not included, but you can
always come up with things that are like
in the gray zone.
Uh and and then you and then you have to
do some research on it. Usually, it's
been worked out pretty well in in uh the
general
case law, but if not, it you can look at
the court cases and and stuff on it. So,
remember, the idea here is you have to
look at the Internal Revenue Code
itself, and then look at the the the
rulings of the Internal Revenue Code,
and then if you can't find if you can't
find the proper position, then you'd
have to go into case law and whatnot and
see what kind of stuff has been building
up and if it would be applicable. Why
does that happen? Cuz you can come up
with all kinds of things that you would
you can argue should be deductible for
medical expenses. Like, I went on
vacation cuz my doctor said so. That
shouldn't be deductible, obviously, but
you can imagine
like all kinds of weird things. So,
those questions will
probably, you know, they could could
come up.
Uh so, that's uh so, that's the next
thing uh
to keep in mind here. Now, I'm going to
go back on on this side
and say if we're going to double-check
this in our worksheet, we can go on over
here to the schedule A
uh and make a little worksheet by
category. So, I'm just going to
make this worksheet by category. I'm
going to pull this
Let's just pull this down.
And then, I'll make a little medical
expenses one. So, medical
uh
medical expenses.
So, let's say this is the category of
medical expenses. I'm going to make this
black
and white.
And then, and then we can list out our
expenses here, whatever, doctor, and so
on and so forth.
And let's say this was the how much did
we put in there?
Da da
20,000 20,000.
And this is the total
expenses.
Uh so, let's sum that up equals the sum
of
this.
And then,
uh and then we're going to say floor.
So, it let's say AGI
the AGI is coming from
the formula over here.
And we have the 100,000 adjusted gross
income
times percent or or floor.
Is that how you spell floor? It's a
0.075.
Uh 7.5% percentify that. Now, it's 7.5%
adding a decimal.
And then we're going to say
floor. This is floor rate.
And so the floor is going to be equal to
this
times this.
Okay. So that's going to give us then
20,000 minus that. So this is where the
data input is going to be.
And then all the stuff that's just
that's not blue is not data input
territory.
And then and so then and so that and so
that's what we have.
And so then this is going to be So this
will be the sum
of this outer column.
So there's the 12,500 which will pull
into the form
uh the form's over here.
So so So there's the 12,500. It's lower
than
this. So I thought I had
20,000
cuz I had So if I make this income
30,000
then now this is 30,000. Schedule
[snorts] A
is now 30,000 * 7.5 is 2,250. There's
the 17,750.
That's pulling over to my formula over
here. 30,000
uh minus it 30,000 and now I'm taking
the greater of 17,750 versus 15,750.
Obviously 17,750 is greater. And so we
have the taxable income 12 250, which I
can double-check on this side. Is that
what's been calculated here?
Uh no, it is not.
Uh and that's because it opened up the
state taxes.
So if I go back on over,
I also have opened the door up to the
state taxes now.
So let me put that in my category.
So I have another category where I'm
going to say is
uh taxes.
Taxes, let's say.
And I have state tax.
Now, if if I lived in California or
something, I would be calculating
the tax.
Uh because I would be withholding. But
if I don't, it would be sales tax. So
it's calculated right here as sales tax.
So 637. So I'll go with I'll I'll trust
the system on that. We'll talk more
about taxes later.
And that would be uh so let's put down
here
total tax
equals the sum of that. And then I'll
make this blue and bordered. Blue
and bordered. And then I'll make this
just bordered. And then this needs to
add up to down here. Zoom.
So that's going to be 18 378.
So if I go down, 18 378.
Back to the form 1040, page numero dos.
18 378.
So now we have 11 613.
And formula 11 613. All right. So the
tax is calculated at 1,163.
Let's put that here. 1163 backing into
the 10% average rate.
Uh and the actual rate is a progressive
rate, of course, which is still just 10%
because now we're on one tier. We
haven't cleared the the hurdle past that
point. So, that's going to be the
general idea. So, the the basic from the
from a practical standpoint, a lot of
times the medical expenses wouldn't be
something that we would include in
itemized deductions whether they're they
are able to get itemized deductions or
not, usually based on whether they own a
home in a high cost of living area. Why?
Because if they don't have the itemized
deductions, then they'd have to clear
the hurdle of 15,750.
That would be the main hurdle, although
they'd still have to also get over the
7.5%
of their adjusted gross income, but that
would be a lower hurdle if they were
lower income. For high-income
individuals, we're not usually looking
at the standard deduction as the hurdle
because they probably already itemize,
but they're going to have a substantial
hurdle because their AGI will be higher
and therefore the 7.5%
of it is the hurdle that they would have
to clear. Therefore, we're looking at
that kind of in-between zone of uh of
them having the medical expenses and or
possibly having something that happened
within a particular year, which is which
is going to increase the medical
expenses in such a way whether they be
low income or high income, pushing them
into the ability to deduct it either
because the low income cleared the
standard deduction hurdle or the uh 7.5%
of AGI hurdle.