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On the tenth anniversary of *Interstellar*, Matthew McConaughey reflects on how the film and its scientific underpinnings profoundly altered his perspective, particularly through his collaboration with physicist Kip Thorne. He draws a parallel between this experience and working with Carl Sagan for the movie *Contact*, noting that engaging with deep science expanded his understanding of God's domain in a humbling yet empowering way. The core emotional shift occurred when McConaughey grappled with Cooper's dilemma: whether to leave his family to save humanity or stay behind as a father. Initially viewing this choice through the lens of selfishness, he eventually realized that pursuing one's unique destiny is not inherently wrong but carries significant consequences. He argues that leaving children can be virtuous if it stems from a genuine dream rather than mere ambition, provided the individual accepts the high price and potential suffering involved in such a sacrifice. McConaughey reconciles this conflict by reframing parenting as an act of legacy-building rather than just protection. He believes there is no better export for parents to leave their children than raising them with strong values so they can independently pursue what they love, contributing positively to the world. Using gardening metaphors, he describes his role not as shielding kids from all harm but as providing a palette and colors while allowing them to fall from heights that might bruise them without breaking their necks, fostering resilience. He acknowledges friends who have sacrificed careers for success in Hollywood yet emphasizes that staying with one's family does not negate the potential for global impact; rather, it is about finding purpose where you are meant to be. This internal debate highlights his belief that true virtue often requires suffering and accepting difficult choices without self-deception. The conversation shifts from personal sacrifice to broader cultural observations regarding enthusiasm and success rates in different nations. McConaughey contrasts the American culture of high energy with what he perceives as a more reserved British approach, suggesting that Americans are better at caring deeply about things beyond themselves—a trait he views as essential rather than outdated Puritan work ethic. He points out alarming statistics from 2024 indicating that the UK has the second-highest number of millionaire exits globally after China, despite having top-tier universities like Oxford and Cambridge comparable to American institutions such as Harvard and Princeton. With only twenty percent of startup founders compared to similar graduate numbers in the US, he concludes that culture and trust are paramount factors; a lack of support for success drives talent away regardless of educational quality or individual capability. In addressing these cultural challenges, McConaughey advocates for positive reinforcement and encouraging words as tools to shift societal mindsets toward greater enthusiasm and care. He believes that if individuals strive to be the source of encouragement they wish to receive in their own lives, this ripple effect can gradually transform culture on a global scale. To support his cognitive performance, strength, and sleep during these rigorous discussions and creative endeavors, he relies on specific supplements including magnesium L38, creatine, and Omega-3s from the brand MOS. He emphasizes that while few supplement brands can prove their quality through rigorous third-party testing, MOS stands out for having exactly what is listed on its label with nothing else added. The podcast concludes with a promotional segment highlighting an exclusive early access offer to MOS's Black Friday sale until November 25th, where listeners can receive twenty-five percent off a specific stack plus a free five-night trial of their sleep packs by visiting liv.com/wisdom and using the code "modern wisdom." McConaughey expresses gratitude for being interviewed in a converted eighteenth-century barn on his Texas property, noting that such unique settings enhance the experience. He reiterates that while he enjoys excitable people who bring enthusiasm to projects like this one, fostering an environment where success is celebrated rather than abandoned remains crucial for building stronger families and communities worldwide.
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in six weeks time it's the 10th
anniversary of
interstellar I think it's being
re-released in theaters in 70 mil IMAX
in IMAX yeah
okay how did that movie change you it's
my favorite movie of all time so thank
you for I have a lot of people tell me
that that that's her favorite movie of
all time and that's another that a lot
of people go had to go watch four times
there's a lot to take in there's a lot
to take in classic Nolan um yeah um how
did it change me and you're not talking
about like the success of the movie like
the subject material everything else I
working with
Christopher learning about I mean you
know Kip Thorne [ __ ] the consultant
physicist on that show so much stuff
yeah also you know it was in that in
that sense it was similar to when I did
a movie called Contact and I got to sit
with Carl San for three and a half hours
and he went through and I remember
walking away from that going oh my gosh
as a believer God's backyard's a whole
lot bigger than I thought it was which
is a very humbling and empowering
thought
um I mean look the main thing was I
think on the on the
human side of the
real me personally I was like oh you
don't leave your kids to go do what your
dream is and then when I change dream
what your dream is to to go do what you
were meant to do what you were born to
do that you have an ability to do like
nobody else I'm just like oh well maybe
you do leave your
kid that that argument and that leaving
which is that
countdown that's I remember that's where
I was so that's the scene I'm
remembering is the price you pay the
cost the consequence of chasing down and
I had my initial
thought was O Cooper
being selfish in the wrong way you know
don't and
then it's a good argument though I don't
think you can easily say that um there's
a major consequence with that but look
at what and I look I I deal with it now
I got three kids doing my favorite my
favorite job what I think I was I feel
find extreme and inless purpose in imp
parenting but I'm dabbling in different
versions of leadership that have to do
with the betterment maybe I hope of more
people and but it would become a
consequence of being there and being
present like I want to be from my three
children and my wife as our
family I haven't found anything that I
believe is worth that at the sacrifice
of this
yet and my argument with myself there is
the best exports we can have if we do it
well as our children no better export
you can put out no better extension of
yourself no better way to
uh uh um uh you know affect cre legac
the
world
um than doing then hope hopefully having
some healthy children that can go be
independent enough and of you know you
and you taught them when they see they
see the world in the right way and can
chase down things that they love and
they hopefully love the right things so
contributing to anything in place of
that is a net
negative well that'd be my argument at
at the sacrifice of fewer that I feel
like oh that's that's millage I've
really got to I've got to that's I'm I'm
helping give them the pallet to paint on
and I'm I'm handing the the the the
right colors to them and letting them
fall from the right Heights to the wrong
the right trees you know to where they
get bruised but hopefully don't break a
neck you know what I mean
um so but I don't but it's a but it's a
good argument one that I understand on
the other side and I have friends that
go have sacrificed that
I have friends that have been very
successful even in the career of being
an actor in Hollywood and a successful
actor in Hollywood you know this brings
me back to when we first had kids before
Camila pulled the the
goalie to get pregnant she goes one
condition you go we
go and my first reaction was hey hey hey
hey I'm lone wolf artist here man I go
off my Airstream with my dog I'm a solo
you know coyote here man and while I'm
saying that I heard my mother's voice go
you better nod your head and say she's
given you a gift say yes ma'am and I did
yes ma'am and that we've done that I
have a 16y old a 14y old and 11y
old no doubt that has a major
contribution to how to whatever strong
strength our family is I I think our
family is very strong and the security
that my kids have and the courage that
they have that because we've never been
away from each other that long they
picked up came
with there's another side I understand
you go got opportunities that can do
great things like could share art or
leadership in the world that hey I'm
going to be away and maybe that's even
there's argument that that could be
better for your children later on or
maybe better for their children MH
this is that you know we were talking
about that infinite regress of being
mean to yourself or it's emotions about
emotions and stuff uh thinking about the
decision that Cooper needs to make and
also the decision that you need to
make it's you can always continue to kid
yourself a little bit more is it more
virtuous to stay at home yeah with your
children to raise your children despite
the fact that the likelihood of them
surviving into the future and their kids
surviving into the future is lessened by
that okay but then if you go and do the
thing you leave them you're making that
sacrif but are you doing it because you
want to save the world or are you doing
it because it's your dream or the fact
that you can get something virtuous out
of something that's also your dream is
that [ __ ] Puritan work ethic we were
talking about before which is I the only
way that this can be a virtuous
decision is if I suffer yeah more I it's
only suffering not just that it's good
for the future but also that I don't
want to do it because if I don't want to
do it then I know that it's really
really true because it's a high price
that I pay because go pull it off and
this is the as far as I can see the
curse of the deep thinker amen amen amen
uh a curse
and
gift because because it does do one
thing that we hadn't brought up at a
very base level and I think this goes
along with stress anxiety at the very
base it mean in something that we can't
take for granted because not everyone
has it it means you give a damn yes and
let's not throw let's let's not throw
that out like oh of course you no
because not everybody does it means you
give a damn about more about more than
just yourself and that is a high that's
a high-end value and not an
old-fashioned nostalgic thing to go oh
that's so 1950s [ __ ] that's a real
thing some people can't care or some
people struggle to care about things
entire people that go through their
lives it's odd especially in the UK
um loving things being too Keen right
Americans kind of have per per firstline
Cocaine Energy very excitable and I like
it I like excitable people I like
enthusiasm however the UK doesn't
necessarily have that quite so much
and I always
think how much more I would how much I
wish I could gift that back to the UK
but how much that positive reinforcement
we was saying it before that first scene
that you do and the guy next to you goes
hey that was pretty good yeah yeah
the right encouraging word the right
time where would that push people to and
okay if that's what you want for you in
the
world you have the opportunity to be
that for other people and maybe it's
going to start to come back around and
maybe we can begin to change culture a
little bit by doing this when will that
English or or does it does it have
someone though that is constantly like
ah bu
that goes and succeeds that the English
culture goes [ __ ] Bravo is it ever R
so interesting startat around the UK
globally so far in
2024 the UK has the second highest
number of millionaire exits on Earth
what's a millionaire exit a millionaire
that has left the country and is now
living in a different a different Nation
China first 15,000 UK second 9 a half
thousand but the UK is 3% of the
population of China so prata we have got
by far the most millionaires leaving by
far we do not have a good culture around
supporting success around uh people
doing different things another great
example of this uh the UK has got three
universities in the two or three
universities in the top 10 in the world
as does America so it'll be Oxford
Cambridge maybe Kings or Durham in the
UK and they'll be Princeton Harvard
something else in the US and a couple of
others and we have 20% the number of
startup Founders despite the fact that
we have the same number of University
graduates going from Top Flight
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