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Esther Perel explores the complex interplay between evolutionary biology and cultural conditioning in shaping male social dynamics, arguing that neither factor holds supremacy over the other but rather interact to create current challenges for men. She suggests an ancestral predisposition where men evolved to maintain looser, more transient friendships due to higher disposability risks during hunting expeditions, contrasting this with women's historically tighter-knit networks of female kin and friends. However, Perel emphasizes that these biological tendencies are heavily overlaid by modern cultural expectations; today's men face a difficult "circle to square" situation where they are socially pressured to be emotionally vulnerable yet lack the traditional male peer groups necessary for such intimacy without overburdening their partners. The transcript highlights a significant shift in relationship dynamics, noting that while 19th-century American men and historical figures globally could form deep bonds through shared activities like fishing without needing explicit emotional expression, modern masculinity is defined by performance rather than innate value. Perel points out the paradox where a woman's initial attraction to her partner's vulnerability can evolve into conflict; what was once seen as him feeling "chosen" for opening up becomes a source of friction when she feels pressured to serve multiple roles—therapist, muse, housekeeper, and physical therapist—all while managing their own career and domestic duties. This adversarial dynamic is exacerbated by the economic reality that couples can no longer rely on a single wage, forcing partners into a "double shift" at home which leaves little room for genuine emotional exchange after workdays filled with stress. Perel challenges the notion of an innate gender division regarding intimacy, asserting that framing male loneliness as purely biological or cultural is unfortunate and often exploited to create societal suspicion and tribalism. She notes that historically, masculinity was viewed as obvious and luminous, requiring no explanation compared to the "mysterious continent" of femininity which required psychological elucidation. This historical asymmetry has created a mandate for men to constantly prove their worth through performative acts like rituals in the woods or demonstrating usefulness, whereas women's value is often perceived as innate. Consequently, masculinity is revealed not as simple or easily acquired, but as something hard to acquire and easy to lose under modern pressures that strip away traditional support structures. Ultimately, Perel concludes that the current crisis of male loneliness cannot be solved by simply telling men to open up more without addressing the structural limitations they face in adulthood. The expectation for emotional vulnerability clashes with a reality where many men lack even one confidant outside their significant other, leading to an unsustainable burden on partners who must absorb all unexpressed emotions and domestic labor. By recognizing that what once facilitated intimacy—such as a man feeling safe enough to be vulnerable—is now the very source of disagreement when it becomes excessive or expected without reciprocal support, Perel advocates for moving away from tribal thinking within intimate relationships. She urges society to acknowledge the complexity of masculinity beyond simple binaries, suggesting that true connection requires dismantling the adversarial nature of modern gender roles rather than reinforcing divisions based on evolutionary myths or cultural mandates.
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>> at least as far as I can see it would
have been adaptive and it seems to be
the case that men are able to deal with
uh more transient and looser friendships
because there was a higher likely higher
male disposability uh ancestrally we go
out for a hunt and unfortunately uh
you're Ian now Ian you you fell down a
ravine and you're gone. So Ian's gone
now. Um I need to be able to move on as
a man. If you're aloparing
with your group of female aunties,
friends, and and grandmas and stuff,
that social network would naturally be
more tightly tied. So at least as far as
I can see, I don't I wouldn't lay
everything at the feet of culture. I'm
aware that this may vary across the
world, but I c I certainly think that
men have an uphill battle when it comes
to in adulthood, especially if they're
working, especially if they're, you
know, trying to provide and and and do
all of the things for the family. And
also trying to hold on to male
friendships in a manner that maybe just
isn't quite so natural to them. You
know, 51% of men lack a single confidant
for emotional support. Uh, and obviously
we have your significant other, the
person you spend the most time with, the
one you're building this life with. You
go to sleep with them every night.
You've got this shared family and you
bring bringing these kids up. And I
think, you know, to fly the flag for
men, I think it's a difficult circle to
square that men are are told to sort of
open up more and be emotionally
vulnerable, but they have a limited
bucket of people to be able to do that
with. And the one that they can do it
with is now feeling the pressure of I
have to be his therapist. I have to be
his his muse. I have to be his diva.
I've got to be his housekeeper and his
massage, you know, physical therapy. I
got to be all of these things. And both
sides again, as opposed to going,
that's really tough. We can't live on a
single wage anymore. And you have to do
the double shift when you get home from
work, my darling, because not only have
you worked today, but the kids need the
pack lunch is making for tomorrow. And
I've had a rough day at work as well.
And I've got to get home and I I had
this I had I'm feeling some stuff and I
really need to open up to you. And as
opposed to that, it is this it's very
tight and it's very adversarial. And
that's reflected in single world and in
the married world. It's reflected in
media and it's reflected in relating
relationships and uh I'm on board. I
don't I don't like the way that
everything is becoming more and more
tribal even within the context of an
intimate relationship or people talking
about getting together and trying to be
in love.
>> So you you bring up two two points for
me. Um
first of all on on the on the the
evolutionary versus the cultural I'm
multilingual. I speak many languages and
I speak that languages too. I can go
back and forth between evolutionary
language and cultural language. For me
the beauty is how they interact with
each other. Not which one has the
supremacy over the other. Is it more
cultural? Is it more evolutionary and
biological? It's the you know you come
in with a certain predisposition that is
biological or innate and then there is a
culture that sits on top of it and you
and responds to this versus that because
this is the thing that stands out. So um
I I totally agree that that we are
shaped by both you know um but the
interesting thing about the your
illusion to the man keeping or to the
man having relying primarily on their
partner is that sometimes one of the
paradoxes here is that he coming to her
confiding in her opening himself up to
her letting him you know when a man up
opens up often in my office too. You
know, it's not just that he's saying
something that he has not said to
others. He's often never even said it to
himself. It's really beautiful and very
moving. And so she in the beginning
looks at this and thinks this is
wonderful. I am the chosen one with whom
he feels that comfortable, that open,
that vulnerable, you know. So back to
your thing that the very thing that is
originally attractive can become the
very source of conflict and disagreement
later. This one too, you know, I like
how do you talk to me and I like how you
know I feel so chosen by your by by the
fact that it's with me that you've
decided to domesticate yourself to open
yourself to finally settle whatever the
whole thing. So it's a it's an
interesting thing that you know what
becomes mankeeping later wasn't always
experienced as mankeeping in the
beginning.
>> Oh my god he's so open with me. He's
never said this to anybody before and
that makes me very special.
>> Yeah
the picture I mean this this is the the
the that's why to make it
rather than this
>> is a whole different way of uh of
looking at it. I do,
you know, this notion of male loneliness
and the the phenomenon that we're
talking about at this moment is fairly
recent. 19th century America, men had
plenty of friends. You go to your
islands in all over the world, men sit
after they've finished fishing, they're
talking to each other, they're smoozing.
They don't need to do personal, you
know, expression of their deepest
feelings to feel intimate and close.
that there are multiple languages and um
and to make this a kind of a an innate
or a gender division I think is is
unfortunate and it's being exploited big
time. It's being exploited by people who
really gain from creating divisions,
from creating suspicions, from kind of
breaking the the deep feeling of um
complimentarity
>> actually that exists. Now, you know, the
thing that's very interesting for me is
that for so many centuries, we saw
masculinity as obvious, luminous,
simple, doesn't need explanation. what
is a man? It's clear it's not a woman.
And you know, women was this kind of
mysterious continent that you had to go
and elucidate, figure out what's what's
in there, you know, it's what's in there
from the psychological point of view and
the genital point of view. What's in
there? What is this thing called woman?
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and then you begin to pay
attention
that, you know, there's an entire
appropo vocabulary. Man up, show me your
man, you know, be a man. I mean,
masculinity is often accompanied with an
with a mandate, with an imperative, with
a thing that needs to prove itself
constantly. So, I began to think that if
you always have to prove it, maybe it's
not that obvious in the first place.
>> Oh, that's interesting that nobody
nobody would ever say that you need to
woman up. That a woman a woman's value
is innate and imbued whereas she knows
who she is. She
>> a man's is performative. be show me your
usefulness.
>> Yeah. And go to the woods and get some
rituals that toughen you up, that
transition you from boy to men. I mean,
there are very few of those rituals for
women because they're biological, a
propoe evolutionary theory. They're very
biological. She doesn't really have to
wonder, you know, of course, a lot of
these things switch once you begin to
separate gender from anatomy, but until
for historically that so that was the
case. So I began to think masculinity is
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