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Marc Andreessen reacts to the assassination of UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson with profound shock, noting that while initial reactions often attribute such events to random acts or personal motives, this incident appears driven by ideological motivations rather than simple criminality. He expresses deep concern over a disturbing trend in media and public discourse where some journalists and comedians seem enthusiastic about justifying murder through lengthy arguments claiming healthcare executives should be killed because they do not pay out claims fairly. Andreessen draws parallels to the domestic terrorism of the 1970s, citing groups like The Weather Underground which emerged from privileged Ivy League backgrounds such as Columbia University, and contrasts this with anti-corporate violence in Germany during that era involving groups like the Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF). He emphasizes that while these violent tactics have historically backfired without achieving their proponents' goals, there is a fear of copycat situations emerging today. The core issues driving this controversy are two fundamental economic realities facing Western nations including the US, Canada, and Europe: healthcare spending consumes approximately one-fifth of GDP and continues to rise unchecked toward half or more of national production if left unaddressed; simultaneously, rapid demographic aging is creating a severe mismatch between the shrinking workforce capable of paying taxes and the growing population of retirees requiring care. Andreessen explains that social welfare systems like Medicare and Social Security rely on current workers funding current retirees through progressive taxation, but as demographics shift toward an older society similar to Japan's future projections, this model becomes financially unsustainable regardless of whether the system is government-funded or private. In response to these looming crises, Andreessen argues that technology companies in biotech and AI sectors are genuinely attempting to solve these problems by developing new drugs, medical devices, and artificial intelligence systems capable of reducing costs and increasing efficiency. He highlights the potential for routine medical interactions to be handled by "AI doctors," reserving human physicians only for complex or sensitive cases, which could drastically alter healthcare delivery while lowering prices. However, he observes a strange contradiction where those most vocal about rising healthcare costs are often the same individuals who harbor intense skepticism toward technology and innovation, particularly regarding nuclear energy solutions for climate change despite their environmental concerns. Andreessen attributes this resistance to deep-seated moral intuitions evolved from prehistoric tribal life, where small communities practiced a hybrid of absolute authority and communal sharing that made inequality feel inherently offensive. In modern contexts, these instincts manifest as outrage against profit generation in industries like health insurance, with examples given of politicians claiming $1.4 trillion in industry profits represent valueless extraction rather than legitimate economic activity—only to later correct themselves when realizing the figure referred to revenue instead of actual net profits. Ultimately, he suggests that while moral intuitions about fairness are understandable historical artifacts, they sometimes hinder practical solutions needed to address existential threats like unaffordable healthcare and demographic collapse through technological advancement.
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you work with a lot of Founders CEOs
tons of your friends will be in that
position too what do you make of the
response to the Brian Thompson killing
and and the situation more
broadly well the killing it I mean the
killing itself was obviously an enormous
shock and I I know people who knew him
and um had been with him recently so you
know he was a well-known figure in the
healthcare industry so um very you know
very respected um among in in in the you
know sort of the business circles um uh
so um yeah I mean enormous shock and
then of course you know at first you're
just like well these things are either
random or you know you know or or most
murders are you know committed by a you
know you know some somebody in
somebody's personal life um you know the
way this one seems to be unfolding you
know is and I don't know anything that's
not in the Press but it seems to have a
you know ideological motivation behind
it and and so you know then it's like
okay is that just a one-off or you know
is this the beginning of a pattern um
and um you know I I would say it you
know a lot of people I talk to are very
disconcerted by I would say the
enthusiasm that a lot of people in the
Press are showing to yeah there have
been a tremendous there have been a
shockingly large number of Stories of
the line of you know of course murder is
bad
but we shouldn't laugh I shouldn't laugh
right well I mean it is I mean you have
to laugh for your cry right so then it's
like 3,000 words that come after the
butt right and it's like okay like you
know which is basically a long long
longwinded you know sort of
justification for murder um and so you
know that that is that is disconcerting
there are some comedians now comedians
you know that are have gotten in the
game um and so um you know say this is
fairly disconcerting I mean you know we
you know we'll see what happens the the
the scary scenario you know I mentioned
the 70s um you know domestic Terror
actually got to be quite a thing in the
70s in the US and there's this great
book called days of Rage that kind of
Chronicles basically this like very
widespread pattern of domestic Terror
ideologically motivated domestic Terror
in the 70s um by you know many kind of
um you know sort of radical
revolutionary groups The Weather
Underground and and you you know and
many others um and uh you know what a
lot of those domestic terrorists had in
common was sort of this very you know
VAR kind of privileged backgrounds you
know a lot of these were like you know
ivy league you know like the Weather
Underground came out of Columbia
University um and then um you know you
know domestic terrorists coming out of
places like UC Berkeley and then you
know sort of very privileged often very
privileged backgrounds very kind of
upper you know kind of el leite upper
middle class people um and then you know
ended up in some cases going on the lamb
for years being hunted by the FBI and
there were you know there were years in
the 1970s when there were thousands of
Terror bombings a year and then there
was a run of you know anti-corporate you
know basically murder and terrorism in
Germany uh kind of through that period
into the 80s uh with this thing called
the the the beter mhof group and so
forth and so you know there there's
always been this kind of violent Edge to
kind of call it the anti-corporate anti-
business anti-industrial um you know you
know kind of by and by the way you know
a little bit of that you know some of
that's on the left some of that's on the
right you know there's there's different
you know you can squint different ways
um you know Ted kazinski was on the
right this guy maybe appears to be a
little bit more on the left um and so
you know this pattern has unfolded
before um you know I don't know that
it's ever been effective at causing any
of the change that its proponents seem
to want um you know it seems to you know
these these tactics violent tactics
usually backfire in our societies but uh
you know certain certainly U certainly
hope that this hasn't become a copycat
situation and I and I do think it's
striking I mean I think there are a lot
of voices in American public life who
are behaving quite irresponsibly right
now what what do they think that they're
doing that sometimes people that Run
Healthcare organizations don't pay out
when people should be paid out therefore
it's okay to kill the person at the
top yeah it's the thing well of course
murder is bad but and then in the three
in the 3,000 words is basically what
what you said so so that the whole
Healthcare situation is is very it's
obviously very complicated and very
emotional the the the there's there's
this can you know become a very long
conversation but the the sort of key
fact that all Western countries are
trying to kind of grapple with and this
is true of the US but also Canada and
the UK and the rest of Europe uh the key
but basically there's two key facts so
key fact number one is um Healthcare is
at like a fifth of us GDP in terms of
spending so like a fifth of all national
production per year goes to healthcare
um and that and that that number is
rising um the healthcare is basically
rising and if and if you just chart this
on a on a graph it's just very clear
what's happening is Healthcare left
unchecked is going to go from being a
fifth economy to a fourth to a third to
a half and then you know someday in the
future you know effectively all of it um
and then and then nobody wants to pay
for it right um right and so like nobody
want pay everybody wants somebody else
to pay for it um and then just saying
the government should pay for it of
course doesn't answer the question
because the government has to be funded
by somebody and so that means taxpayers
have to pay for it and so you you get in
all these questions and of course we we
live in a progressive taxation system in
which you know people who make more
money pay you know pay a higher
percentage of taxes and you know there's
big political fights over that and I I'm
kind of neutral on that I don't really I
don't really care I'm it's not one of my
issues um but you know it's part of this
big fight over who who pays for it so
that's that's issue number one and
that's just gonna you know it's going to
bring out a lot of emotion to people
because of course especially as you get
closer to end of life or you get into
these you know very bad chronic you know
things you know conditions that require
a lot of money to take care of people
it's this real challenge of how to how
to pay for it and then the other kind of
key kind of fact is all these countries
also are aging very rapidly right the
demographics are headed in the direction
of you know increased average age and
the you know consequence of that is um
the you know a sharp reduction in the
percentage of working age people versus
you know old older people retirees and
the the whole basis for every social
welfare system in the world is that the
current workers pay for the current
retirees right that like that that that
is basis there is no you know the Social
Security trust fund doesn't exist you
the money that you pay in you don't get
later you know your money you pay in
today gets paid out to old people today
and then when you're old there there
need to be young workers in the system
to be able to generate the money to pay
you and that's true for Social Security
it's true for Medicare it's true for
Medicaid it's true for all of these kind
of so it's true of any socialized Health
System it'd be true of government funded
Health System it'd be the same thing it
just you know for for taxpayers um
taxpayers are people who work um and so
if the if the demographics go upside
down and you have a country you know and
you you can see the future in places
like Japan where you just have like way
more old people than you have young
people um and then you just have this
like fundamental mismatch and then you
you literally quite simply can't pay for
it um and so like these two things kind
of put this whole issue in a vice now
what what we try to do like in our line
of work which is you know tech and and
and biotech and BC what we try to do is
figure out ways to kind of get out of
that Vice primarily through new
technologies that at least you know in
some cases will provide new kinds of
healthcare new kinds of drugs and new
kinds of medical devices but also things
that are able to break that price curve
and able to make Healthcare much cheaper
right that that you know that's the
other way to solve it is you just you
make all this stuff much cheaper and
that's where you know we get excited
about things like for example Ai and
Healthcare right and you know maybe the
prospect that instead of you know people
having you know only having human
doctors maybe a lot of you know routine
medical interactions are with AI doctors
and then you know you only consult with
a human doctor when something gets you
know really sensitive um and you know I
think there's a reasonable chance in the
next few years that we can figure out
how to do that so so hopefully we can
solve this with technology it is weird I
will say and it's coming out in this
kind of current you know kind of debate
and controversy it is weird that the
same people who are the maddest about
healthcare costs rising and not being
able to pay for it are also the ones who
hate technology the
most right like
yeah are and nuclear and people who care
most about climate the people who care
most about climate and carbon emissions
hate nuclear energy the most right and
it's like all right we are genuinely
trying to help solve these those of us
in Tech are genuinely trying to help
solve these problems what what do you
think that is it just some sort of
generalized skepticism generalized
scrutiny over rich people that they
don't have the best interests at heart
of of the common
folk yeah well there there's there you
know there's this part of it's just like
simply right moral intuitions right and
so you have these kind of moral
intuitions that and moral intuitions
presumably evolve to be the way they are
according to kind of historical
conditions of how people lived but you
know historically people lived in these
very small you know kind of communities
you know one way of describ book called
the ancient city that goes back and
reconstructs basically like pre
basically prehistoric civilization like
what it was like and and uh basically
the the the conclusion of it is you know
sort of pre you know go back 4,000 5,000
6,000 years and and further back you
know basically we all lived in these
very small tribes you know Max maxed out
at a few hundred people and then you
could kind of describe the politics of
the tribe being sort of a hybrid of like
absolute fascism combined with absolute
communism right like like at the same
time right so it was it was like
absolute fascism in that the father of
the family or the leader of the tribe
had the total power of life or death
over all the members of the tribe and
could kill them at any moment um for
whatever reason he wanted to and then it
was also pure communism in that there
was no market economy everybody shared
everything um and if you if you went out
and killed an animal and brought it back
and didn't share the food they would
kill it you know you had to share the
food like everything had to be shared
because it was how you were both of
those forms of governance were basically
how the tribe would survive it needed
total discipline and total sharing right
at the same time and so we we evolve
these moral intuitions that basically
said says you know maybe we don't want
the the fascism part but we kind of want
everything to be shared we want
everything to be equal having inequality
is sort of intrinsically morally
offensive to us and so we we naturally
drive towards you know and who who can
possibly argue against you know wouldn't
it be desirable if everybody you know if
everybody had the same you know how it's
it's default unfair for some people to
have more than others and then of course
profit you know particularly drives
people crazy right because profit feel
you know profit in the capitalist system
if if you have this moral intuition it
feels like it's unfair because it feels
like it's money that's been extracted
that's not you know that's not doing
anything there was I I won't name names
but there was a congressman this morning
who tweeted two back-to-back tweets um
and he tweeted he said it's just
completely absurd and outrageous that
the uh you know the American uh health
insurance industry generates $1.4
trillion do in profits per year uh and
he said you know that's just like so
clearly unfair because that's you know
presumptively that's $ 1.4 trillion
dollar being extracted providing you
know no value at all and then like four
hours later there was a second tweet
which he said he said you know actually
um I I learned that actually it's $1.4
trillion in Revenue um not profit um and
total profits are you know a very small
fraction of what I thought it was right
you
know but still right equally absurd and
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