Making $300K Per Month on OnlyFans | The Full Story of Kazumi

so you know the saying that there's more than meets the eye well I can't think of a more perfect person this applies to than Kazumi on top of being one of the highest earning creators on only fans she's secretly a marketing genius who's used some of the most creative and strategic methods to make over five million dollars in a relatively short amount of time 5 million net not gross oh my God but first we should mention this episode's going to be a little bit more explicit than the usual episode so if you have kids or Gigi my grandma if you're watching this turn it off right now just letting you know so you aren't surprised we also want to give everyone a chance to talk and we think that we could learn something from everybody and this is one of those episodes that I think is incredibly interesting Kazumi has an amazing story and it was very enlightening for me personally and I'm sure you felt similarly so we couldn't be more excited to share this with you guys and with that said let's 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for Brandon yes I actually do mine I'm not asking you jack okay Jack what's up dude I don't know we've started the podcast you look like one of those like Tick Tock guys you're like those like fluffy broom head tic tacos all right let's just not cut to this camera for a little bit thank you so much for joining Kazumi thanks for having me really appreciate it what brings you back to Las Vegas I well we did this podcast a few months ago I misinterpreted what I what the podcast is about and I felt like I just talked about um sex like a hundred percent of the time and I should have just talked about how sex makes me a lot of money a hundred percent of the time so I'm rebranding that's a way to put it yeah basically what happened is we filmed with Kazumi what was that like three four months ago I'm just a new girl it was it was quite some time ago and we brought it on the podcast it was I don't know a month or two after we shot with Stella and that podcast did great everyone loved I really liked that one and we had you on and I feel like 95 of the conversation was just like I'm here to talk strategy and fun games and whatnot we make the podcast as if his Grandma's watching and she is so we want to make it appropriate for everyone's Grandma Hi Jax Grandma so Kazuma you're in Vegas because apparently you like to eat soup in Vegas and also do a bunch of podcasts in Vegas Yes I come here for podcasts and soup and that's the only reason I will come to the city I have seen you blowing up on like Tick Tock YouTube Shorts YouTube everything so have I actually the amount of clips that are that are spiraling in me too she's all over my teeth everywhere yeah what's up with your friends it's tick tocks I am like a cancer you just cannot destroy I you know who inspired me actually I hate this guy I think he's my Hitler but Andrew Tate and his affiliate program I did something quite similar with my Discord where I had my Sims make memes of me and like populate Tick Tock and and just kind of just keep multiplying memes and rewards for nudes so you emulated marketing model it's like the active antithesis of Tate yeah but you you did the same thing where you got people to make memes and stuff yes everywhere hope hope they went viral yeah and then that kind of like drove traffic to your only fans instead of giving them money you gave them newts I gave them something of equal or higher value no you did not yes if that I gave them it depended like sometimes I'd be like okay if something goes viral that's a free video or like let's say like if you get this amount of followers I incentivize you in some certain way but either way I wanted a lot of people to see me all the time everywhere regardless of what your algorithm says so wow yeah that's what I've been doing so how how what's the threshold then is it like 500 000 views a million views for like how do you Institute let's say at this point right now it's more so I used to I'm pivoting to focusing more on quality because some of my Sims memes were like I was like who like that's not funny like what that all right um but I have my own team that like gets a lot of like what I do on podcasts YouTubes and skits and they make their own little tick tocks and like people will make memes out of like what currently exists as well and how have you seen that transform your only fans business do you see like that actually helps a ton that's a viable business model yeah I just cleared my fifth million so that's really your fifth million so I made four million on April and as of a few days ago I hit 5 million so that was my fastest million I've ever made by myself oh my gosh congratulations thank you is that five million in like five million net not gross oh my God congratulations thank you the IRS is gonna love you I they love me and I [ __ ] hate them in the state of California too I know I've been thinking about Vegas and Like movies I've been thinking about ultimately moving to Europe I just came back from Berlin a few days ago and I just found it just I just felt like it made a lot more sense over there yeah got it but it's just it's just been kind of like how do I make sure you're seeing me no matter what you know so you did five million dollars in that what net profit basically since the beginning of your only fans career yes we'll talk a little bit more about the numbers but how did you get into this specific business so specifically it was I was a marketing executive before I had my only fans and I just during the Advent of covet I just did I wanted a remote job and I wanted residual income and only fans was kind of it so I already was comfortable with people seeing me like that I've already dealt with that social stigma without getting paid for it so I was like I might as well start making money off of it but I didn't have a social media the first year I made an only fans because I didn't want my parents to find out and I just wanted to be super discreet so I focus a lot on making memes um and that was kind of like how I would make a lot of my income first starting out how would you make a meme my first ever meme was a picture I photoshopped I photoshopped a picture of myself on a Fox News um headline saying I got kicked out of Harvard and that blew up everywhere it went on like world star and went on no jumper and went on all these other platforms and I wasn't I didn't have to get naked or be hot because I just didn't think I was a hot girl back then I would get followers for being hot I felt like I could get followers for creating discussion which is what I did got it but how would that then drive traffic to only fans if you're worried about your parents finding out wouldn't that be very likely to be found out I I just didn't want to I think first and foremost I just was really insecure of how I looked I didn't think I looked I fit the bill of what an Instagram model looked at the time that was before I got boobs in a BBL and [ __ ] like that so I just was like I feel like the best way and also just in general you don't send your homies pictures of hot girls you send your homies memes you know like what causes conversation what causes what creates a community is are our memes and I felt like that was also a safe way to get people onto my platform without me sharing too much got it so what's the Harvard meme can you explain this the Harvard meme was me pretending that to get kicked out of Harvard yeah for doing what for having an only fans how did you how did you spin that I I mean I just what do you mean like like how did you create it from like started like how do you come up with the idea how did you actually I want to post it I what I did was I made the meme and then I messaged so at the time I would buy I would grow my following by buying promo so you could message like big Instagram influencers obviously big Twitter influences influencers and and even like news outlets and have them like pedal out these stories and I would pay them and instead of hot pictures I would send them these memes and then people would argue in the comments or they would put it on their story and be like what an idiot and that would be how people would start blowing up my page and wow how much were you making before this meme blew up before no jumper I was making about 50k a week and now is a week yeah so I was making about 200k months um for a while before I got into a jumper in before I started like really getting it myself into Limelight but with the Advent of no jumper I realized like the power of podcasts which is why I'm here today because I just feel like that's the easiest way to make a meme because Instagram and Tick Tock promotes reels and videos in the algorithm and that's the easiest way to just cause discussion instead of photoshopping my face onto fun things and stuff like that what were you like in uh in like high school and before in high school I was pretty [ __ ] I think it was really awkward I wanted to be a film student you know what I mean okay sure I went to film School ultimately in college like I actually went to Community College and I wanted to be a screenwriter and stuff like that I dropped out um to do my marketing thing um but I was pretty awkward I was pretty awkward I would say I always was pretty intense you know like I felt like in my marketing job and like in my film like my mini film career I was like just a very obsessive intense person and I just wanted to kind of conquer things yeah I feel like I don't think I've conquered only fans just yet I feel like people like amarath it could have totally like done huge things of that space But I've been like navigating like just how to take over to internet and different ways like with YouTube and stuff like that so I just made my YouTube interesting and let's talk a little bit more about this marketing executive position what exactly was it and do you think that your experience being a marketing executive translated to I don't know better funnels into your own it's honestly hilarious when I like recounted because that was what my title was but every morning they would put us in this space called admo which is short for atmosphere and they would just kind of like have a bunch of speeches every morning like Tony Robbins and and we would internalize that for an hour it's just it's straight it's bizarre to explain sounds like an MLM yeah no it was definitely MLM Behavior explain the business how does it work it wasn't necessarily an MLM where I had to recruit people to continue to business but it was something similar like I had to build a team and it had the promise of like you know becoming a six-figure figure CEO and having your own office it was definitely an MLM you know but I will say in like my own twist I felt like it was really good for me to just kind of I was very impressionable at the time and being in kind of like a positive headspace about success and working hard and like pulling Myself by the bootstraps was really good for me to internalize at a young age because I feel I felt like it just helped me not get embarrassed first and foremost because it was quite embarrassing they would have me go door to door they would have me go to B2B and stuff and those things helped me just kind of learn how to like you know just make sure that like I at the time lived in South Central you know and it was at the time like if I was not able to like hit my goal my situation is still shitty when I come home so I felt like it helped me internalize like I have to do this myself yeah where are your parents from my parents are from the Philippines and when did they come to America um they I'm I'm raised in La so they've been here like for like 25 plus years got it and why were you trying to hide it from them they would commit seppuku if they found out what I did I also just feel like in general a social media career is not something that my parents would respect anyways but when my parents when I was 19 my parents kicked me out so we just have General beef wait why did they kick you out I had a curfew at 10 pm I got home at 10 30. um and they just gave me a bunch of trash trash bags and they were like you just gotta go I didn't have a phone until I turned 18 and I didn't go outside for reasons Beyond school work um until I turned 17. so I had a really sheltered upbringing but I was on the internet a lot and I feel like that's why I'm able to navigate the world pretty well right now with like me teams and community building in that aspect why do you think they were so strict Asian parents are pretty strict in general I don't want to lean into the types but a lot of me and my friends had just had similar situations like that my parents are first generation immigrants they came from the Philippines I was the I'm the oldest daughter so they're deaf and I also am just a little crazy so I feel like they just were like you just cannot go outside when I was in the eighth grade I held a boy's hand in front of the Claires at the mall and they transferred me to a different School District in a different city and they told me I couldn't have any social media and I tracked and I had a tracking device on my phone it was just very intense all the time and how did they find out you're holding a guy's hand I was about to ask that my friends oh yeah just Word of Mouth just something yeah I guess they like asked my mom's my friend's mom like where they were they found where we were and then that was it so I have this Theory where if you have helicopter parents that like watch your every move and they're extremely strict on you it creates a rebellious nature in you that's kind of hard to shake and as you get older you just tend to like to rebel and go against your parents words and then the same goes for like the inverse where if they give you like way too much much Freedom that it it's also a little bit dangerous I think somewhere in the middles probably the best way of parenting did you find that to be true in your own personal life I feel like it's hard to say because I'm obviously like very outwardly like I did I have done a bunch of like pretty crazy and depraved sexual acts in my outside life you know but I I also feel like I I don't know how much of that is because my parents were just really strict they weren't that strict to my Rudder and he is also a normal person so I guess that's that kind of proof that like I guess it must have affected me in some way but I feel I find myself like I was lucky enough to like explore those sexual moments in my life and very safe and protected spaces which is why I feel like I have a good understanding of who I am right now but first you want to thank today's sponsors stream yard if you want to get into podcasting like us you don't have to build an expensive setup and stream yard is the best way to produce high quality content directly from your browser stream yard is a live streaming Studio platform perfect 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then was I stayed with my ex for a time and then it just got really bad and then he kicked me out and eventually I was couch surfing in a little and unhoused for a little bit and then I came back to my parents when I figured out it's really hard to just not have a place to stay in Los Angeles especially as a girl I didn't know how to my parents didn't let me learn how to drive or take the bus or or get a job until like way older so I just didn't really have his social skills so I felt like I had to they kept me really dependent on them um and then I had another ex-boyfriend and he kind of did the same thing where he kicked me out once we broke up as well and I felt like those moments of My Life um paired with me joining this like MLM was it kind of like was my training grounds for learning how to become extremely financially independent you know because in my mind I I was just like I don't want to need someone I want to want someone I don't want to need my dad or need a boyfriend or need anyone in my life to make sure that my situation is like livable I need to make sure my own situation is good and I feel like that kind of combination is how I've been able to kind of be successful now yeah do you have any direct stories or moments in time where things got extremely challenging maybe like you just got kicked out of someone's house and it's like 11 p.m and you don't know where you're staying that next night so I had another ex-boyfriend and he cheated on me as well and he told me I had to leave by Saturday and I was like okay so what day was it it was Thursday so I had 300 in savings and I reached out to this friend and she let and she was in charge of this like queer Co-op it was like a co-op full of like all trans and queer people it was like an old frat house that like you know like 30 people would live in there like people would live in the living room for 10 bucks a night just to like sleep on the floor and if you wanted a room it would be 300 a month so I was able to stay there for a little bit until you know people just kicked this out because you're not supposed to do that and um I was able to save up for my place in South Central which is when I had that marketing job and on New Year's Eve 2019 someone um kind of someone broke into my house and destroyed everything I don't know what the universe issue with me was at the time because I was just like I can't catch a [ __ ] break this is crazy so I moved back into my parents house again and it was just hard because my parents you know just always had issues with what I did like when I dropped out when I was in college for film school they had an issue when I dropped out of it to do this MLM they had an issue obviously and so like me losing my house again for the third time or second or third time was just kind of their like signification like look you are meant to fail like you've there is nothing that said that you are going to be a great person you know you make the wrong choices and you can't think for yourself and whenever I was home it was just a very painful experience for me Kazumi can I ask you how your relationship with your parents currently is because I'm sure that growing up strict Asian parent like you were saying they were getting mad at you for everything I want to know how they felt one when they found out you hadn't only fans oh they don't know I haven't only found how do they not know no they have to know they don't know where do they know the money is coming from I literally just talk about cryptocurrency till they tell me to shut the [ __ ] up they're just like but we don't really talk like that yeah they must know yeah they have they they probably are active because because yeah no my dad would beat my ass if he knew what it was it's kind of funny because I talk about it openly on podcasts and it's also like I also have a billboard on Sunset Boulevard with my face on I do I that was where on Sunset Boulevard it was on Sunset and Highland it's like the main street I had a whole board let me guess let me guess I'm gonna get can I get it okay no I had a discount I had a discount how many months did you buy a one month one month how far in advance did you book it like two weeks before two weeks before that means they didn't book it so uh my guess is it was during Halloween it was October it just it just got taken down I would say the market value that like you said Jack is probably 30 I'm gonna guess they gave it to you for 20. it was originally like 17 I got them down to 12. wow how did you negotiate it's just a simple um they are they had had a few only fans girls um use the same location before so I think they kind of were like this is just great viral advertisement every time I do this does that work so I did not write on my billboard hey this is Kazumi's only fans what I wrote was Kazumi please notice me P.S you have the best only fans in the world so oh my God I was just like I made a YouTube video and I was like whoa who did that I don't know who did that so people kept posting it and we're like oh my God these Sims are out of control like I can't believe that a guy would put that there for her and it was a good discussion piece add his jeans you know you know what if you ever decide to step away from only fans you have a career in marketing oh thank you I swear that is such a great like I was trying it's like a Netflix sort of Market that is fantastic yeah yeah the YouTube think of that I just kind of was like it's really funny the like the relationship people have with porn and sex and women if I say hey guys I have a sex tape with this with like my boyfriend in the car everyone's like cool that's not new but then if I have an account that says hey I'm Kazumi's ex-boyfriend [ __ ] this [ __ ] here's her leaked sex tape of us [ __ ] in the car everyone buys it it's crazy because they don't want to believe they don't want it to come from me they wanted to come from a fellow jerk face or they want to make it they want to feel like women are just kind of like these little NPCs that like react and just like we don't have our own body autonomy so I've been able which is why I have my Sims make the memes because if I make the memes everyone knows it's me and they're like shut up whereas if my friends make the memes and they're like uh I feel like that's just a better story calling them simps do they I love that yes they're my clip armies like I don't think it's demeaning I love my Sims but I just I thought that was just a modern name for fans right like I don't yeah I mean if somebody called me their simp I'd be like I could pull my credit card info off there and just like them for everybody I mean I said for Jack you know what I mean so I I'm doing this pro bono I don't have a modeling team or agency which sometimes is cool because I take all the money but sometimes it sucks because I lose all the money too like last year I my accountant was like Hey so you allegedly said you spent 860 000 on marketing last year like what and I kind of was like what I don't think I did that and she was like you did and I looked through and I did IRS I did um but it was also like there's a lot of things that flop you know like for every like cool billboard everyone sees and like has like a whole Ruckus about there's been a million times I've flown an airplane over a place that was too Dusty or I've like flown like a billboard or I've driven like a billboard truck that like no one saw so it's just kind of been a crap shoot of just figuring it out myself like with what has been a loss and what has been a W for me wow how do you think of these ideas like what's the thought process I just think about what causes discussion you know and what is going to be worth the money I understand what my strengths are I'm in a saturated Market where everyone is a hot girl and I just have to think about what would make me different and I kind of was like truthfully what makes me the most money is doing podcasts and YouTube skits because that's like me broadening my audience and creating like a like I'm joining the Multiverse when I do podcasts and like schizophren people how how much would this podcast make you I'm just curious it's going to depend I mean obviously I lean into having a great like conversation that fits your Market yeah but also like I'm going to get like little bits of this and like repopulate Tick Tock you'll see it you'll see it on YouTube shorts and whatnot okay yeah but can you put a dollar amount on that I'm just curious just for my own it's really funny because one time I tweeted out this thing on my Twitter and I was like Hey guys where did you guys find me and the answers are always so eclectic that they'll say like oh I found you from this podcast or I found you from this magazine and at the time I may have not necessarily thought those things went viral but at like years later and months later those things compound so probably a lot but like over the course of like my only Fan's career as long as this YouTube video goes up I'm going to make money off of it for a long time wow are there any ideas that you've not done there's things I want to do can you share anything or maybe something that was like too much like too far I anything you shot down we want a hint let me see it there there's been things that I've like considered but it's just like they're things that I can do but they are just things that I have to do in the future like at some point I would like to get an age I would like to make an agency you know or at some point I would want to make an award show I'd want to make something that makes me like like positions me in a in like a leadership position where everyone is like okay Kazumi's that guy for for this section yeah yeah I've been um navigating my YouTube and it's been a hard game just trying to find out what my voice is if I just wanna like do skits or if I want to do stuff I've been interacting with my Sims or fans you know a lot I just paid a Sims rent it was how did that work I've paid um my Sims rent quite a few times the first time was I was at no jumper live and I paid for a no jumper fans rent um this time I kind of was like you know you guys just paid my bills at the end of the day I love men and I love my fans and slash Sims super well so I had this I I filmed this YouTube thing where I was like look if you want me to pay your rent you know submit and I'll consider it and this guy was like sure he works at my local Whole Foods I can never go to Whole Foods ever again and he tattooed my name on his arm and it says Kazumi loves you and I was like yeah I'm gonna have to pay her rent you're gonna get a lot of tattoos now yeah you know what let me backtrack you can call me your simp I I'm okay with it man pay your rent you want to tattoo your name right now [Music] um a lot of people that I talk to that are that are women there was like I could make a killing on only fans I you know what what do you say is like if somebody actually wanted to start an only fans and make a ton of money what do you think are the top three things that they have to focus on I always first of all whenever a woman says that I'm like do it then do it then and then I'll be like no no I can't because this and that's the whole point number one you are going to deal with social stigma no matter what I can keep this podcast as clean as possible but and I can tell people how I made five million dollars and how I've done all these cool things and for some people I'm still just and that's all I'm ever going to be and that's just something that I'm going to have to deal with as I navigate the world and I apply to houses and you know cars and like that's just the thing that I'm going to deal with so number one is you are going to deal with social stigma as long as the world has a problem of sex workers you know making money and just like like that's going to be a thing you know and now you have to be comfortable with the fact that you know I at this point nowadays I get into some pretty high level places and it's cool and then they find I have an only fans and it's like whatever man like you're just hot lot dude everyone's hot it has nothing to do with what you look like so the first thing is like look you're gonna deal with the social stigma no matter what and you're going to have to live with that and whatever repercussions that is with your family and your friends you are going even though in my mind it's not a bigger video my parents don't even know and I'm this big um the second thing is it is not about the resources you have it's about how resourceful you are with only fans you are able to find your own audience you don't have to have sex you don't have to be hot all you have to do is create value in the marketplace whatever the [ __ ] that is that could be you talking about cryptocurrency like Marcus two braids or that could be you shaking your ass like Ruby Rose or it could be you actually making porn but it doesn't matter all you have to do is make people want to buy that got it what are some of the non-uh like sex work or porn people that do only fans that do extremely well like you just kind of mentioned do you know anyone ambergraph doesn't have porn on her only fans and she makes 1.5 million a month what is it what is it bikinis or what is it I think she has an amazing twitch presence she also has done stuff like the Billboards she also has probably made her made more Investments like I know she just bought a 7-Eleven you know so I you know people don't want to pay attention to what only what successful only fans girls do and they're just missing game but I know that she she is able to make a lot of money I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that she doesn't do porn and so like any type any inch of sensuality you see from her is very stimulating exciting what do you think the ratio is between how personable you have to be like the the level of people that go after personality versus looks like do you think it's maybe 90 how you look in 10 personality or do you think it's flipped I think it's easy for people to think it's based on looks because they see these girls with huge Instagram followings and then they have an only fans and then you know they're not but breaking their back um but I would say so I started on telegram you know and I and a lot of those girls still don't have only fans I mean still don't have social media or if they do they don't show their face because they still are going through school trying to become a nurse or whatever and I would say a vast majority of these girls or may not be the most conventionally attractive but they're very smart you know they know how to create a good hook they know with their captions they know how to create scarcity you know with like whatever the [ __ ] they're selling and make you want to buy it so I would say like a big ratio of women it's it's really about like their own like marketing strategies versus how you look we see the loudest people which are the people you know like Jimmy smacks and stuff who have who make these outrageous viral like moves on Instagram and then are also very attractive but those aren't necessarily the people that make the most money because I've seen a lot of these their numbers and a lot of them don't make as much as me because they think the social media is all they need to leverage themselves but they don't know how to explain why you I should buy a bikini picture some girls are really good at that and some girls you know don't know how to make it seem like a personal experience so what is your value prop yeah and only fans like I would say number one I think there's a lot of stuff you see about me on the internet at that makes you feel like you know who I am on some on some sense and I feel like I'm a relatable person you know and or at least admirable I've been to places where I've like thrown condoms on the floor with my barcode you know and sometimes guys will be like you'll be the first only fans girl I subscribe to just because you got that that good heart you know you got some grit you're different I'll subscribe even though I don't want to see your porn it's a it's a good way to show support how often are you not in the mood like you may be scheduled all this stuff out you wake up that morning it's just like I just don't feel like doing it today I feel like I didn't get there I I can get there in the mindset I may and if not I can you know provide value in other ways like I have videos you know I have a library and a collection that you could just which which makes residual income even if I don't if I'm not actively horny and the reason why I do all these podcasts and make all these memes is because I want did money I want my I want to have a lifestyle based on money I on what I used what I did not what I do because even though we did this podcast and you'll probably drop it in a month or two this will pay me for the rest of my life as long as people watch this video I should get a cut Jack [Laughter] I actually have a question based on um based on you signing you said you recently signed to like a like a a bigger porn yeah I just signed to Vixen okay my question is a lot of people online have looked at only fans and seen it as like um giving power back to the Creator because back in the day it was like known that like you know you would get paid a salary as an actress and stuff like this but now it seems like you're kind of going backwards like you've created your following online but then you've decided to sign um to a company do you think that kind of defeats the purpose of having an only fans no I think what I did was I signed up for probably the most HD commercial of my life you know I knew that if I I browsers and Vixen were things I've been looking at for a long time I wanted Vixen because I just wanted to feel sexy and cute and also just just because I felt like it would be a cool experience in my life in my life to feel like a star um in like the mainstream world and I felt like I knew that if I did this video I would have to give it my all because it's going to be on the internet and a lot more people are going to see it in the official porn world and so I just knew that if I if this was a successful commercial this would be the best lead to my only fans over and over again there's a few people that have posted some stuff of me on PornHub and at first I was like oh why would you do that and then I realized every time people would do that I would get so many more subscribers because they'd be like oh [ __ ] like I didn't know you actually did that that like I just thought you were another bikini model that did funny stuff on the internet so I realized okay if P if this if that was if that was a commercial I can do a an even better commercial I feel like I'm just obsessed with Excellence specifically with my only fans I wanted to be the perfect experience for men and for myself because it feels good that people come there and then they're like this is this is cool like I thought you were a cool girl and then you didn't let me down with some weird [ __ ] what do you think about only fans management teams and managers in general I have my opinions about it I don't like them but sometimes people need them and I'm not going to say that you shouldn't I personally feel like there's a lot of value in myself there's a lot of value I've learned personally like I know that even if I decided to stop only fans right now I know how to make five million dollars in two and a half years and I know I can go into a company and bring that value you know the other thing as well is I feel like everything I know I can teach someone to do and if they don't I don't like them anymore I can fire them however when you sign on to an only fans management team and agency a lot of these girls have never done stuff like this before and they don't know how to make this money and let's say they don't like this team anymore and they you know relinquish the contract and they don't know how to make 50k a week anymore it sucks you know like I feel uh and I want I in my perfect world everyone who does only fans just does it because they want to do it you know and everything I make is because I want to do it and obviously it's because it makes me a lot of money but also because it brings me Joanne is a great form of self-expression and I feel like when you go into these management teams and you give them a percentage and they tell you you have to do this and then like they're weird sometimes but you can't let them go because you're in this like tight contract I feel like I don't know I just I don't know I just have like weird opinions about that because I just want people to do it because they want to so part of the value is just the the learning basically you get building up your own only fans you know for a fact you go to a different company and your marketing stuff will translate to that company and you'll be able to make this amount of money regardless of what happens yeah I feel someone else that just takes all of the advice from a management team is left with nothing if that management team yeah because I the problems I've heard is like my friends will join a team and then they suck because a lot of them do suck a lot of them have no proven concept of being great or growing a girl because a lot of it is is their own personal brand which you know and and you don't want those awkward conversations where they tell you how to do something you don't want to do I find it virtual pimping but I don't want to Discount the girls who do have a good time because let's say you just want a residual income I mean who cares like I don't you know for me this is like my my life that's my my child I have a personal connection to it but I just feel like I had a friend she didn't like her company anymore and they were like okay well if you look at the fine print it now says that you will still have to pay us 10 for two years you know like it's just like [ __ ] yeah yeah like and it's like I I still you know as casual as I am about sex and I I and and as freely as I like to give it it's still within the fact that I have control over that and I wouldn't want people to lose control of it not not necessarily because people always have sex on only fans but it's still like me you know I'm selling my assets not myself but I feel like that's still me a little bit let's talk about some of your assets because I know you've invested into your body a little bit my boobs can you talk maybe a little bit about like yeah I I always wanted boobs it was the biggest insecurity of my life I always looked at women and I always was like girls with big boobs maybe I'm well yeah I'm bisexual but I would just look at them and be like they look so feminine you know I just wanted to use like large boobs I felt like I would feel more at home with myself if I had boobs and you know people will say it's for men and whatever but every guy I've ever been with was always like you don't need bigger boobs and and every time I've ever gotten a surgery people have always said you don't need to do this you don't need to do that but ultimately it was how I wanted to present myself in this world and how I wanted to feel and so I got my boobs that was kind and that was kind of um the first time I made a lot of money on only fans so at the time my sugar daddies like they were just like we could pay for your boobs but you know you'll pay it back and I just didn't want to be an indentured slave over some titties you know what I mean so I was like okay let me focus on my only fans and see if I can hit 25k and I posted on my Instagram of a thousand followers on my personal because I didn't have like an actual like and I was just had it on my close friends and I was like guys I think I'm gonna make 25 I'm gonna make 25k this month because I want some boobs and lo and behold I did it and then I was that wasn't your first month that wasn't my first month no how much were you making in the months uh coming up to them like 1K 2K and then you just it was 16 then 25 then 50. but that growth happened because I was on telegram like asking like I'm not shy to be a student you know I don't know how I didn't know how to be hot on the internet you know like some it's for some girls it's easy but I paid for courses that were like Hey how do you sext or hey how do you take a nude or like hey how like should you caption this video because I thought I had awesome videos but really it's just about the caption like how are you able to create value or scarcity in this Marketplace um and when I started paying for those coaching courses and then that mentorship that's when I started making a lot of money and it always shocks people because they think you should just know that but it's like I mean if you pay for real estate classes you pay for cryptocurrency you could pay for only fans knowledge at the time I gained a lot of weight during covid because I would be on my only fans from 16 to 18 hours a day um people at the time were doing collabs or like doing Tick Tock really or anything like that and I just gained a lot of weight and I didn't feel good about it and at the time I had weird opinions about working out because I was just online and I would have like insane hours because I would do all-nighters because that was the best time to sex with guys so I bought a BBL and that was can we talk what is that my Brazilian butt lift oh right yeah yeah and I it's jump started my like Cur like my my like love for Fitness because I was like that [ __ ] hurts so bad I do not want to get a BBL again so I started working out now I live in my workout clothes and I feel a lot more in control of my body um I've also gotten a chin implant really I don't know if you guys could you tell is my face different no wait since when I'm like a month ago are you serious yeah yeah what does that do so I don't know you can kind of see I got a chin implant um Buckle fat removal and a necklace well the Buckle fat is like you couldn't tell my face is different no no well I wasn't I wasn't really like studying you to be to be honest with you yeah yeah but you know what but those are the things you don't want people to notice because then you want it to be subtle enough like I'm always a fan of like if you don't notice that means it's done correctly yeah I feel like I look very refined now in my in my little my humble opinion but it it ultimately wasn't really a work decision I mean at the time I didn't have a social media I until after my BBL um it was more so like I just wanted to feel good in my body and I remember like my partner was like you don't need a BBL like you need to just work out and I was like with like the way my body naturally was like it [ __ ] you like no so it would have been a hard journey to possibly not ever have the framework that would carry like this type of weight gain you know or like the way like my weight is like just like you know sitting on my body um now it now that I work out a lot I'm able to have a lot more control over the way I look like I could slim down or I could get thicker but that's a lot of because where my weight is now placed like you know my fat cells are on my butt now yeah yeah got it and now you mentioned something about ABS yeah I did buy my abs for 2K if I do not work out I will look really weird okay so how does what does that mean what do you mean I I bought an app I bought ABS I bought AB etching along with my bbm what so so wait so what so what do they do exactly how does that work I'm not exactly sure what the procedure was but it was just part of the things that they could do when you go to BBL um I never had ABS so I wanted them um but I will say that like in like the wait times LED my weight fluctuates and then I eat out and I don't work out I will still have abs but it will look quite unnatural so I have to make sure that I work out and like eat right so I feel like it's kind of like now a cat 22 of now you are going to stay healthy so okay so my understanding is if the ABS are in front of the fat Let Me Explain abatching real quick no I I researched it because when I asked liver King I I researched did he get abs he said he did not oh shut up let me let me explain what it is so um instead of ab implants where they put in something to pop out the ABS AB etching they're specifically sucking out the fat like in the shape of like where the the dents of the ABS are so that you have a more defined AB so you don't have any fat in between so you basically shape your natural ABS that was only 2K wait but but wait wait wait wait but then if you put on weight that just goes back to the places where you just took it out from why not just get no because the way the fat cells work it's like they like they're taking out the fatsa like it'll grow around it Kazumi do is that what it looks like probably so like I could try to find pictures of like when I gain weight like my abs just look strange so but I feel like it gave me like a New Foundation like surge what surgery does is it gives you a new foundation and if your New Foundation what you like the rest of your journey is how well you actually maintain that because a lot of girls you know who will not tell you have bbls their bbls just suck or like or just like they just like lost like like lost a fat in some way um you you have to maintain it or else it will look weird and how much do you think you've spent in total on your body I probably spent around 100K or so okay yeah I mean well no problem how much did each cost okay no I just can't [ __ ] do math 8K okay lifo 360 and BBL 14k ABS 2K arm lipo 2K face was expensive like 25k so probably a little less than 100 I'm not counting like post-op recovery and stuff like I wore obviously when I got my BBL I wore my Faja and I didn't sit for a long time and stuff like that and I went and I stayed in a recovery home really how's that work you're not supposed to sit well no last time she was here she had this little bench thing remember I didn't sit the whole podcast her butt was hanging yeah it was like she was sitting on her thighs right yeah oh my God yeah and that's why I was like this the whole time wow I was like way tall like I was sitting on my giant cushion oh my gosh okay yeah yeah geez but I mean the ROI like I don't think I am successful because I got surgery but I will say it helped it helped it helped not only because I feel like no I'm number one more conventionally attractive but I also just felt a lot more confident like I would take more opportunities I think it's the confidence yeah I think you could have done the same regardless but now that you have the confidence you feel more confident yeah through that especially putting myself out there on social media like getting on things like no jumper and getting on like skits and stuff where people are like hyper critical about my appearance I felt like before I would have just really lost a lot of sleep over the things people would say part of me like always in the back of my mind maybe it's wrong maybe it's completely wrong but part of me also thinks like man I feel like porn can be could be damaging to the young mind of like a teenage boy or something like that you know or growing up and and getting that instant gratification all of the time and then I feel like inevitably in to some capacity you have to as a young person that continually watches that regularly objectify women in in some way or I feel it's hard to avoid stuff like that what's the difference of porn like if like a person sees porn versus like if they see a violent movie are they do you feel like like if people aren't able to understand that this is entertainment is that the is that the movie's fault is that the fault of Transformers and Michael Bay or is it the fault of the of the education you receive in your household about how you should feel about the things around you I think the problem Jack is just having an unrealistic expectation maybe that's it that's just like expecting what you see online to be a representation yeah you know in the real world you understand it's not necessarily educational and it's also like obviously anything in excess is bad you know if I eat a bunch of french fries every day and then I only eat french fries because I don't know how to cook anything with french fries it's gonna be pretty shitty for me I I think when people say it porn is harmful I think at the root of it we need to start having better conversations about sex and our expectations on sex with people even when they're younger you know about like what porn is and what sexuality is and what you're actually seeing and how it's not necessarily a reflection of the reality we live in it is a fantasy that we're providing but on top of that with only fans only fans is so much more diverse in terms of like the content you're able to see so it's not necessarily always porn but even if it were to be porn it's not necessarily like the you know like a girl that looks like me with like perfect proportions [ __ ] guy with like a 10 inch dick it could just be like normal looking people doing normal things and when we start normalizing it and start instead of seeing it as like this taboo thing we should all avoid we start realizing that it's just an act that people do and not necessarily something that is like evil or should deserve or deserves consequences for being enjoyed that makes sense yeah yeah one thing one final thought that I hear a lot right not necessarily that I believe this but I hear that like porn can be damaging to the family unit because people are getting married at a lot older ages now and they're having children at less rate Elon Musk tweeted that he thinks that like the collapse of the population is going to be one of the biggest threats to humanity and I don't know in the coming years or whatever um because people can avoid going out and trying to meet people in public and their hormones that they have within them right like for a dude like they're testosterone like maybe it's depleted when you any weird thing that comes out that guy's mouth but um I I don't think that's necessarily porn's fault I think what's happening is during covid people have really had a hard time learning how to communicate with each other and kind of go outside and take chances when they misunderstand one another I feel like during covet everyone went online and it's easy to say things and it's easy to experience life on the internet and that's not necessarily a porn thing that's just the thing that happened when everyone is forced to be inside and now that we're all back outside people have just kind of like kind of absorb like these these same type of social cues you learn on the internet and now they're like bringing it to people in real life and that's why I feel like people are people seem angrier to me you know and people seem a lot harder to compromise with or like kind of reach like a level ground and that's not necessarily a porn thing that's more so an internet thing you know like I feel like we're just not learning how to become more social and learning how to communicate I don't think there's a problem with people getting married later I think as long as people are getting married because they want to get married and they're more stable and they're able to create like a loving present household whatever you get married is totally fine um and if porn was something that were to become an issue in someone's relationship that's not necessarily it's not like a cigarette's fault you died it's because like it's like your choices for continually like chain smoking this has been a long-standing trend though yeah yes people you know getting married later and all that not having kids but I think it's a lot of the Internet it's easier to have that interaction online it's so much simpler than than going out and like think of how much effort it takes like get ready yeah go out you have to be or you could just sit on the computer do nothing and just share it with your friends another thing that I heard is that uh Millennials are getting married later in part because they're moving out of their parents home later because they're choosing to stay home and and save or it's too expensive to move out so they stay at home I think that's another big contributor and the divorce rates when you get married after 25 drops substantially the more education you have also drops uh yeah because we all hear the statistic like 50 of divorce uh 50 of divorce has ended marriage marriages end in divorce but that takes into account like third marriages or like yeah I've been married twice your chances of divorce are significantly higher and I think actually uh more recently it's about 65 stay married so you're more likely to stay married but then again you could also argue well they haven't been together long enough to maybe get divorced so like you have to go through the entire life's you know life you have to wait till they died you have to wait till they die to get the true statistics because one through marriage for 20 years and then they you know divorced is that you know at what age does that happen yeah I think I don't know people I think people are getting also the thing of the internet as I feel like people are able to when people find their little Community they're able to make more assumptions about the monsters that they don't understand and I feel like that just create that creates more Division and I feel like that like that destroys communication you know I feel like for example like someone can assume something if I if you say only fans girl people have a myriad of assumptions about that based on what com what community of the internet you're from and from those assumptions people will decide they don't want to give you the time of day or they don't whereas in real life when you would actually just go outside to parties and meet people people will tell you like hey I'm trans or hey I'm different than you and people will just have to learn how to navigate the world with differences like that I like how what I see like a deep value of yours is just respect for people and I think that's that that's really good I think a lot of people lack respect for people that you know have opposing viewpoints that they have nowadays yeah I just feel like it's important to learn empathy first and foremost and I'm coming from a place where I feel like I I'm out I'm misunderstood often and one part is because I put myself on the internet and you know I dance and I talk about gangbangs but at the same time I don't feel like I need to intellectualize intellectualize that because I don't necessarily think doing all that sexy stuff means I'm less intelligent or like less deserving of respect I feel like what speaks a lot like most importantly is what I'm able to contribute to the community and how I make other people feel and if I make people feel good what is the harm in that you know if I make them feel good in a healthy way where they understand that the things that I create are entertainment and not necessarily a replacement for actual human connection what are you doing now with all this money that you're making where is it going you know what I was telling someone like most of my money was in the s p and now I like every time I talk to my finance people they're like look there's a lot going on and I'm always like uh I'm just gonna keep it there I obviously had a little bit in crypto but not enough but not a lot because I just don't really understand the space enough I will get into real estate next year they had issues with my tax return this year so I just couldn't get into it but I want to get a bunch of multi-families and start either like Airbnb or doing something with that I want to like diversify my income into YouTube okay then just get like other brand opportunities that aren't necessarily attached to me being like a sexual person so I've been working on that you know I did the billboard I did a YouTube video on that so I'm going to see where that takes me um but mostly my money if it's not spent on marketing and if it's not spent on like putting it back into the s p then it's me traveling and just living my life I just came back from Berlin and I just feel like people are the best books and it was just such a different space over there compared to here so I just like want to continually understand people I like that what are some of the the biggest problems you see facing Society nowadays um questions this is so funny because I I feel it's so funny because when I think about our last interview I was like dick sticks [ __ ] so we had like such a difference I know this is a 180. I know I like this person yeah I like I was like let's forget what I said there um you know what we could we could charge uh money to see through and only fans paywall to see that yeah I was literally just like you actually yes I was literally thinking that right as soon as you said that the problem is someone's gonna copy it yeah no and also it's gonna get out like the things like if they clip out something yeah and it makes it to YouTube so I already combated that idea yeah okay you're good at dmca and then just keep fighting it but it'll come out regardless yeah it's gonna come out yeah um I think the biggest problem this is these are such like giant questions I think the biggest problem um nowadays I want to put Andrew Tate for a hydraulic press bro I think he is my Hitler I think he is like one of the worst things to come about in this world why because I think when you it's not that his views are new it's the fact that he is able to influence so many impressionable people who are already who are looking for people just like them to find a community and then he he gets you with this thing where it starts off of being with like with a self-fulfillment which is something we should all do but then he makes it something hateful and it just doesn't it's not going to create a better world for us it's it's it creates a more hateful divisive world when we put people in boxes and we have expectations for each other that are and we pretend that this reality is an objective reality we all have to follow the same rules in when that's not the case like the world is so much bigger than the small Niche community that you're talking to but what you're doing is you're creating a more violent world and when you desensitize people with jokes and just and with with jokes like that or or just like you know they and these people already don't know how to talk about to articulate how they feel and their differences and they already feel alone and angry it's just going to you all you do is create violence you you create a more violent world for people that you don't like because I've already started seeing like smaller people in the same van as Andrew Tain started branching out and start spewing their own hateful things about black people about trans people about this about that and what you're doing is you're making it okay to be hateful and I feel like I'll get crucified for this but I didn't have a I don't have a huge problem with like woke culture I think if we're as long as we are working towards just making this a more comfortable place for all of us to navigate in let's [ __ ] do it some it's not cancel culture it's sometimes people say something insane and they should there should be consequences for that you know there should be opportunities that are lost because you should not be able to influence people that way and I feel like as long as we keep enabling that type of behavior and again I'll get crucified for this because I did an e-date with Andrew Tate and I got the clout off that and I also obviously make money you know what was it what was the e-date so I didn't eat it with Aiden Ross I didn't know who Andrew Tade was I just was trying to win um but I just was trying to win so I was saying things like yes you can impregnate me and we can create like a family and I think that was one of the clips that I saw I'm sorry you saw that I didn't know who he was afterwards all my friends were like dude what the [ __ ] that was the first time I ever heard of him I'm not really in that Circle of the world but then he became like this huge deal and even now just talking about him I hated because I can recognize the game what he's doing is causing discussion which is what I do all the time but I just feel like it's like why is the discussion continually about rationalizing my Humanity you know it's like I don't want to play Devil's Advocate when you're playing with my life and I feel like people don't think that way or they think he's playing with your life in what way he's playing with the lives of like women you know and I and I feel like what do you do like what he does is he becomes this figurehead for guys who identify with Dad but those guys are never going to become Andrew Tate you know but with Windows guys some of them are going to become big in their own sense and they're going to copy the same techniques like what I did and they're just going to create a more hateful world you know when you when you start saying that women don't have thoughts or women should have their body counts on their heads and you're talking to you're speaking to the choir of people who already agree with you because they already don't want to try to understand women then yeah it does create violence because when those people enter relationships like those people just won't be happy you're gonna say or or you you're implying that those guys are going to say oh you've been with too many people and we're gonna cut this you're they're worth is tied to tied to that is what you're saying what they're doing is I feel like we are radicalizing young men into because the algorithm once you interact with a subject with some subject matter you will be inundated with that propaganda yes memes are propaganda that's something I've learned myself like the more you like like like these children are being radicalized and it's going to create a worse world like it's increasingly becoming more difficult to call out people when they say something insane right like like Kanye West saying something about George Floyd overdosing on fentanyl or saying something about Jews that should not be a thing you should be able you should be comfortable saying so why is that even a controversial take you know like I'm gonna say that right now it's gonna get clipped people are gonna fight in the comments but why are we even at this point in society where people even want to rationalize that we need better Heroes but what I'm trying to say is like one of the most I said Andrew Tate but what I mean to say is that like we are like the big one of the biggest problems in the world right now is the fact that we are radicalizing people into really extreme positions like into really extreme ideology ideologies that's just one example I think that's social media in general yeah you have to be an extreme one side or the other the middle gets no attention so you have to be like yeah you have to take extreme views because that's what gets the engagement which gets pushed and that's kind of the issue and it's kind of a thing that's a catch-22 again I'm a hypocrite you know because I obviously lean into being extreme and talking about extreme stuff because what gets views you know like sometimes if I just talk about my normal life then it doesn't get views and it feels like a waste of time but those choices are are very brave you know because sometimes you don't want to say those things because I don't want to say this and then I'll lose my social media the difficult part is I feel like there's not a lot of self-help out there for young men there's really not that's genuine that's just not built on hate yeah yeah but I think there's a lot of a lot of young guys out there who are just if they're spending a lot of time online they don't get that practice socializing in it and it takes you like going out all the time and meeting friends and putting yourself out there and it's really really really difficult uh and there's not that sort of guide out there really to to show people I think in a way that's that's maybe productive or or really is more like a step-by-step tutorial of like hey you gotta go and introduce yourself to five people today and shake hands and follow up with 20 people uh hang out with someone tonight it's like all that sort of stuff you have to kind of learn on your own yeah that's why I liked Europe when I like went like last week because I was just it was just a very much more in-person Society and because it was a more in-person Society I found it more of a I wasn't specifically in Berlin I founded much more of a tolerant Society because I felt like you just meet people and then you realize that they're different and then if you care about someone and they say something that isn't that is hurtful you say hey I I don't think you should say that and I'm saying that because I care about you not because I have a moral compass and I'm white knighting or I'm trying a virtue signal because it makes me feel good I'm saying because I want to keep you in my life and you make me uncomfortable when you say [ __ ] like that and I feel like that's a sentence that so many people just can't say I feel like it's terribly difficult for them to say that and if I am wrong about something I'm comfortable saying like Okay I should not have said that you know there's consequences of that I've of things I've said on no jumper that I will live with you know but I understand the consequences of my actions when I say those things and how it impacts people yeah I think it's just a lot at the end of the day of building someone's self-esteem and finding their place and passion in the world and I think it's going through that self-discovery it's it's probably from the age of like 15 to I would say 30 for a lot of people it's like those ages I think are so just like formative yeah you have to want to change yourself and try to want to improve and I think a lot of people either want a shortcut or they just have no interest and I think what happens is you're in a community and number one it's hard to tell your friends like say hey shit's not funny because you don't want to be you don't want people to make fun of you but you don't want to be out ousted from this community you know when you enter like you know a certain part of the internet whether it's on Reddit or Twitter and you say something that people disagree with you know sometimes you have to leave that community and a lot of people for a lot of people who aren't socially adjusted that's like the worst thing that could ever happen to them and so they will just kind of like laugh along or cut or start internalizing the propaganda or seeing and say yeah women don't have thoughts you know and that's at first it starts with a joke and then they start kind of being like no like I mean everyone kind of agrees with me right and then sometimes they say something and someone says you shouldn't say that and they say [ __ ] you [ __ ] like I'm able to say it because I'm you know I'm this person and I have a blue check and and I feel like it's just a catch-22 of like just a very toxic ideology that's one of the things that's wrong in this world right now is there a female version of this I I'm sure there is I don't necessarily subscribe to that I would say what people argue is what you say earlier is that they've believed that is that out from outside looking in people will say that porn is can be a toxic thing but again I believe that's just your own relationship with sex because I feel like a lot of people watch porn and they have healthy relationships with people outside in the world you know I don't think that's a necessary deterrent for having communication I think if you're terminally online and you don't communicate with people outside of people just like you then you will have problems no matter what um I I feel like they're I'm sure there are like like like toxic female things I feel like they're I feel like with women a lot of the toxic things that that are part of like certain communities exist in retaliation to the way they feel about men probably you know you know what that reminds me uh on Reddit there's uh the thing is what was it the red pill the opposite of that that I heard on Reddit and I read some of this it's wild it's called female dating strategies oh wait I've seen that and some of that stuff is so funny oh my God we should pull up we should just pull up like one of the top threads sure and see what they say okay some other stuff is so funny okay actually I lied I definitely have some female friends who I feel like again have like I think the problem is just having like weird expectations about the other sex for whatever reason like feeling like you owe me money or or like whatever because I have [ __ ] and whatever and then weaponizing sex to kind of make sure that you do my life I don't know but I just feel like just grow out of it like money like one thing that's being propagandized if that's a word on the other side to uh maybe not a similar degree but just in general is like the hate all men type thing which I've heard a lot and in fact uh I actually went on a tender date with someone who hated it all men subscribed to the hate all men ideology oh which didn't really make sense to me personally because she was on a date with me yeah it didn't necessarily make me feel very secure nor confident in the was she like joking or was she no I I think when women say that I like to think what they mean is they don't like the systemic things that patriarchy has created over the history of time that have made living and navigating this world as a woman difficult or maybe she means the actual male race I don't know I think that they're probably combining the two yeah yeah like like because of this you should think this you know yeah yeah I think it's I don't see the thing is in terms of like men in cells and and Femme cells I I guess I kind of see like where this pain comes from but it's just like a Mis it's so misguided well what really is going to help us is focusing on first of all our individualized relationships with each other and not like basing like the choices we make based off memes and [ __ ] we see on the internet and actually just getting to know someone whatever the hell their astrology sign or whatever the hell their credit score is um yeah I think it's just the extremism on both sides yeah it's really hard to think for yourself because it's a lot easier just to be told what to think yeah especially from people that are put in positions of power right where if they have that blue check you're like oh I should believe them or some sports celebrity says something and you're like I should believe them because they're successful and they're given Niche yeah I was telling someone I feel like it's because as a I'm not religious but I feel like because people just generally aren't more like like people defend Kanye West like he's like Jesus or something like it's insane to me I feel like because people aren't necessarily like religion work for a long time and I guess it still does work because there was again the sense of community where people felt like they had like a common objective which was to go to heaven or whatever and now it's like I I just feel personally I feel personally connected to Tory Lanez no matter what he says or does you know and I feel like because of this like intense celebrity culture where we're seeing all this news and these people can pay each other off to like post like whatever propaganda they want like a lot of impressional people are able to just choose sides and like really stand our ground and loyalty with these on about these people that don't even know yeah I couldn't find anything on them that was interesting yeah it would take me too what is the female dating strategy I think it's it's the women's version I could be totally off here the women's version of The Red Pill where I think it's I I hate making making up an explanation here but that's probably all I'll leave it at yeah without doing my research yeah I was like you were like I think it's bad no I remember reading something back then of like yeah you want to do this and you're don't tell him this and you better not call him back at this time it's like like the the pickup version for women oh I see I think I always tell people like nowadays when you are an adult woman and I'm like I'm 25. and it's like I I talk to people the type of person I like is someone who number one has a healed perspective on women and isn't ashamed about sex and believe and that doesn't believe sex should have con enjoying sex should have consequences which I feel like a lot of people feel like like you like sex that's really bad like you mean it should only be with someone like you really really like movies like pick up artists both for men men and women I feel I mean they probably existed before the internet when people struggle to like find a date and stuff but it's like as an adult woman I decide if I wanna get to know a guy like just talking to him and any type of strategy like uh it's just coercion after a point because either I decided I wanted to spend time with you or I didn't if you keep kind of badgering me with like whatever you think is like a clever line or whatever I mean I'll I just most times it just doesn't work because I already decided I'm not attracted to you in some sensor form the best thing you can do is just focus on making sure you're your best self yeah I agree with that I think a lot of it is learning how to Showcase who you are as a person and then you attract what you are yeah but I think most guys out there have no idea how to do that in terms of like effectively communicating who they are what they stand for uh and building up that confidence and that's why I think I don't think it's a line or anything I I totally disagree with the idea of like oh you gotta think of a super clever response and wait three hours to respond because it's just like just be who you are and is that working for you jack fantastic it's great okay okay maybe not sometimes but I'm not really putting myself out there okay Jack's conversation is going great though in the beginning though thanks we've gotten more confident and I think confidence is a huge part of being able to be attractive you know what I mean yeah I feel like you just attract what you are like when I was in a very insecure girl coming out of my dad's house I attracted people who were just as insecure and sick and twisted you know and now that I just know myself that people I talk to are just as confident and just and just as attractive and as long as you are presenting your best best self you're going to attract people who are attracted to that which is what they are and there's no game to play really can you say one thing that you like or a good thing about Andrew Tate um I I like his I respect his strategy his strategy with the hustle thing was cool which is why I did it with my Sims or slash fans you know what I mean like I anyone who can get to any type of who can get such a huge audience is not an idiot you know like you and every like you I'm not an idiot you know like no matter what people if you I don't have to agree with anything he says to not recognize that whatever he is he is a very smart guy and he knows how to do a lot of things which a lot of people don't do which is do which is how to influence and that's what he's doing he's learning how to influence people like even right now unwarranted I'm talking about him you know because I have a strong opinion about that and if people talk about me then that means that I have influence um but most of all I just respected his um like his like affiliate link strategy thing I found that a very smart thing and what do you think are some pillars of a successful relationship what does a relationship need and like like a romantic relationship um shared values shared values I feel like ultimately if I believe something about and I'm not just saying like you like pineapple pizza I don't like pineapple pizza but I'm saying certain things like okay like if I wanted to get an abortion are we able to do that or is that something you just couldn't do or like what are your thoughts financially about like if I need to move across this country are we going to move um shared values is the biggest thing and shared interest too you know I want to be able to talk to someone who like just knows likes the same things I do or at least is open to it you know I I think another thing too is just like you just gotta wanna you you have to like me and I think a lot of the times the chemistry I think a lot of times people forget that crucial thing in relationships is I feel like sometimes people want to establish a power Dynamic you know like they're like maybe because that's how they were when they were kids and their parents had a power Dynamic but I don't want to control you and I don't want you to control me ultimately we are together because you like me and I like you and I want to spend time with you and I want to grow with you in some capacity maybe not forever but I like you and and that goes for even like friends you know I don't establish certain rigid expectations on my best friend why would I do it with my boyfriend I'm in an open relationship but even if I was in a monogamous relationship is my person is my person able to navigate the world comfortable knowing that I won't get mad over everything like is he happy to be with me because I'm happy to be with him I I don't all all relationships you know you get you give each other stuff you know not necessarily because it's based on transactional things but like I want to feel happy when I'm with you you know and I feel you just have to like someone you don't have to come into a relationship thinking like I need you to do this and I you know you can't go outside with your friends at 10 pm on a friend's birthday because that's what let's do you know like I want to know that I'm able to be my own person yeah I would actually agree with that I think the three that I always end up saying are like shared values shared interests and just general chemistry which is General chemistry and it's just like learning how to be independent I want to want you I don't want to need you I don't want my lifestyle to be bit which is why I always preach to women you need to be financially independent it's not cute it's not cute to depend on a guy to say to like to to like because you don't want to demean yourself because this guy pays rent you know like I want to be able to be in a relationship because I want to and if we're not happy then I can just leave I don't have to consider like oh my God I like my car is under your name like you'll take my car if you don't like me anymore I think trust is another big one trust yeah yeah are you signing a prenup yeah yeah as you should you know we've talked so openly about this yeah yeah you believe in prenups yeah I'll sign a prenup but I again don't go into my relationships thinking about what they can do for me you know I can't I came into it because I just liked the person and I mean whatever makes them feel comfortable is just what I'm going to do within reason no you said you're only fans with three dollars a month my only fans is three dollars a month I'm not shouting it out but you guys I know where to find it okay so how do you break up your only fans like percentage-wise like tips subscription how does it total what was it like three four hundred thousand dollars a month or something I probably make around 300 000 a month now last month was kind of low at 274. but the month before that I did 334 which is cool and I also have a fansy which generates about 40 to 50K a month that's just my only fans backup three dollars is a low acquisition cost for you to be able to see hundreds and thousands of pictures and videos now if you want a more personalized connection such as like a scene with me and Johnny Sins or like a sex thing that would be an additional cost I keep everything reasonable you know because again I'm here for a sustainability you know I'm here for a long time not I'm Here for a Good Time analog how would you allocate the little pieces of the pieces messages is a big one because obviously like people buy videos into messages or like well sext like if you want me to on the spot get naked in this like Denny's bathroom I guess I'll do it for thirty dollars you know right now I'm okay sure um if I I would say a big thing too is subscriptions like the dose three dollars [ __ ] add up because I would say about a thousand or so people join every day just to see what's going on you know because three dollars is a low acquisition cost to be like okay I could see what's I like it I feel or and a lot of my friends also just support what I do they see the billboard and they're like that's funny you know and it'll they'll sort support that way so I feel like those things are kind of like the main stuff that like make me a lot of money love it cool all right thank you so much thank you so much appreciate it back on Kazumi we really appreciate it was way better than the first one fantastic yeah it's a great episode so thank you guys so much I really appreciate it make sure to subscribe we'll link to your info check me out on Instagram her Instagram will be linked Down 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