Maharishikaa | Decades of Spiritual Teachers, Systems, Practices! Still Searching | Preeti Upanishad
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The video centers on a deep dialogue between Preeti Upanishad and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi regarding the nature of spiritual dependence versus true independence within the Guru-Shishya (teacher-disciple) tradition. The guest, Monad, admits to a lifelong pattern of seeking external validation through various ashrams, relationships, and satsangs, often feeling unable to fully commit or fearing he is missing out on something better elsewhere. Maharishi challenges this mindset by reframing dependence not as a spiritual flaw but as a lack of loyalty and the inability to stick with one path due to fear. He argues that true independence comes from learning how to give without calculation or expectation, rather than measuring every interaction in terms of what is received versus what is given.
A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the concept of *dakshina* (offering) as a practical tool for shifting one's consciousness from egoic measurement to flow. Maharishi points out that Monad has spent decades giving his time and energy to various gurus without ever making even a small offering, citing fear or waiting until the "last satsang" as an excuse. This hesitation is identified not just as stinginess but as a subtle form of attachment where one wants to take from life while refusing to give back, which keeps the individual trapped in a state of being "pinched." The teacher explains that giving without thinking creates a dynamic flow; when you stop measuring and start giving generously into situations—whether it is money, time, or presence—you naturally receive more than you expect. This practice dismantles the ego's need to control outcomes and helps dissolve the illusion of separation between the giver and the receiver.
The dialogue also addresses the confusion many seekers face by conflating spiritual systems with God itself. Monad shares a painful experience where he felt rejected by an ashram after leaving, interpreting this rejection as divine abandonment because he had identified his system with God. Maharishi gently corrects this misconception, clarifying that no human organization or guru can replace the Divine within; rather, these systems are merely vehicles designed to help individuals connect with their own inner truth (*Antar Guru*). He emphasizes that respecting a system is essential for learning its rules and receiving guidance, much like one must respect university regulations to earn a degree. The teacher advises Monad, who has spent thirty years exploring different paths, to stop "guru tourism" and commit fully to one path or guru by the age of 36 if he wishes to avoid further confusion.
Ultimately, Maharishi encourages Monad to embrace his inherent nature as *shishya* material within the Guru-Shishya framework rather than rejecting it due to past hurts. He suggests that while some gurus may not be meant for a traditional disciple path, others are specifically called by life's circumstances to guide seekers like Monad toward self-realization. The conversation concludes with an invitation to find joy and abundance in spiritual practice, moving away from the serious, floaty demeanor often associated with spirituality towards a grounded presence filled with laughter and love. Maharishi urges him to decide on one path, respect its rules, give fearlessly, and allow life's flow to guide him toward self-realization without the anxiety of constantly searching for something new or better elsewhere.
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Welcome to the truth impulse movement.
>> Things don't go according to how you
want in Guru Shishya. It's not a
psychologist who has certain rules of
behavior. Uh-uh, it's not psychology.
Guru will squeeze you and turn you
around and throw you in the air and
catch you again and all of that must
have already happened to you.
No?
>> I was the guy who was running after
every movement that was saying, you
know, we have to to make it. I say, yes,
I'm here. Here, hands up.
>> And now you grace us with the end result
of those failures, is it?
Namaskar.
>> My name is Monad. The question I'm
having is between devotion and
dependency.
So, if I look through my life,
it's like there was always a tendency to
be depending.
Sometimes was on an ashram or a
on a practice, on an image,
on a teaching.
It was only very late in life that I
started to rely more internally.
Still again, an attitude of depending
this time of the presence of a woman who
was a friend,
a relationship. So, that was always
there.
And when I find myself alone, I still
tend to
want to hook to someone.
And maybe if not the person, maybe it's
a satsang like like now.
I come to the satsang. I love to sit
here. I just want to come here and just
uh
my usual routine is less important. I I
just love I always told myself this is
beautiful, but there's there's also some
aspect about my attitude that I feel I
would like to
resolve. In a sense, it makes me always
um
yes, be
dependent, feeling reliant.
>> You want to change it?
>> Yes.
>> Why?
Why do you want to change it?
>> Mhm.
>> Is it something wrong to want to be with
a person or be in an ashram or
chant something or go to a satsang?
It's okay.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> [laughter]
>> You're all okay.
It's a good thing.
>> See, okay, if if I look at my history,
it's like at a point I was on my own,
then I wanted like a company, like a
female company. I was projecting my
desire on every person I was meeting
basically. Then I was with the person,
then conflicts were there and
dissatisfaction on both sides. Then I'm
again on my own, but I'm attached to a
person, then the attachment phase. Then
I come to satsang, then I enjoy every
time an attachment phase and I get
attached to something that I take as
being an expression of the divine
generally speaking. I feel that's good.
I love to be in love with the divine.
It's the only thing that saved me
through my stupidity.
>> So, the problem is that you can't really
fully commit to anything in your life.
Isn't it that more than anything else? I
don't think it's a problem of
dependence, it's a problem of not having
loyalty, not having
>> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
>> Not being strict about something and
holding with and staying with it.
>> Possible. Yeah, sure.
>> And that is a that is a the problem.
>> Yeah, possible.
>> So, that's what you have to change.
Okay.
If you go to an ashram, you go to a
satsang, you have a relationship with
somebody, they're all different things.
You cannot put them all in one pot.
To start with, but the fact of the
matter is that there are people in this
world who just cannot commit to anything
because they're always afraid they're
missing something out somewhere else.
There's always that little fear that if
I commit too deeply into this, then I
miss out something else somewhere.
>> Sure.
>> So, if you never commit to anything,
this is the result.
>> Okay.
>> So, maybe it's time to
find something to which you hold,
whether it's a practice or it's a ashram
or it's a relationship or whatever it
is, but if you don't commit to anything,
then you will just be there in Italy in
your village and
come to India every year and do some
guru tourism and then go back.
It's not going to result in any
self-realization.
>> Mhm.
>> So, you have to also stick to something.
Even, for example, there are students,
shishyas, their guru is very stupid.
They know also that the guru doesn't
know anything. But they decide, "This is
my guru now. That's my guru. That's it."
They're not there trying to measure,
"Mhm, how much does he know or she
knows? And does she know this agama and
this veda? And okay, but no, but has she
read this upanishad or has he
how many disciples has he?" They're not
sitting there calculating everything or
how much do they know or the the the
issue with you is that the moment you
have to give something, you retract.
That's the problem.
>> Mhm.
>> And and that's it how it will be.
>> What [laughter] is the What is the
solution? Because I I don't see it
coming.
>> Start giving. First, you put a dakshina
and that that's the first step.
>> Okay. [laughter] Sure.
>> Then after that, we'll talk about the
next step.
>> Cool.
Okay. Thank you, wish you
well.
>> The issue is the giving.
The more you give,
the more you flow with life. It's always
a discussion in your head about giving.
And I I don't mean like here, I mean
everywhere.
It's always measuring, you know.
On a subtle level. That is also your
inheritance. I mean, you come from that
genetic imprint of
everything being measured in give and
take. The thing is that giving is
something which
has its own dynamic.
You
if you give without thinking too much,
you also get without having to think
about getting.
So, there are a lot of people in their
40s, their 50s, and they are there very
sort of pinched. You know the word?
They don't have that vibrance of youth
anymore, but because they've always been
measuring how much Do you know this this
auto rickshaw driver? He's charging me
10 rupees, but actually it's 8 rupee.
What difference does it make? 10 rupees,
15 rupees, 20 rupees, 30 rupees. Just
give him the money and move on. But no,
calculate 1 rupee, 2 rupee. And then
they become pinched. I'm not saying you
are like that necessarily, but there is
that possibility there in you to be
measuring always. Okay?
If I don't get this from him, then I
will not give that. And always trying to
get more and give less. On an energetic
level, I mean also. Then the result is
that you're not connected to anything.
And there are nice old age homes then in
Italy. And there you will be with very
few people visiting you. That's how it
ends. Millions of people like that. But
it's only about learning how to give
fearlessly.
I'm not saying that you're not a giver,
but you have an issue in that area. It's
a pinchedness about everything.
Don't start Don't measure too much.
Just give in generous arcs. You will
receive in generous arcs from life
itself.
Because you never know, you know.
You give something today,
maybe 5 years later you need something
and there'll be somebody to give.
Life is not so easily measurable.
So, it's better to be on the
You give more into life.
And take less. Not the other way around
that everybody is taught.
Oh, I go into a shop. How much is this
shirt? It's
$20 or $200. Oh,
maybe I can find the same shirt for $20
less. Then you spend 5 days looking for
the same shirt for $20 less. And
actually you've lost 5 days. You know
what I mean?
That giving without thinking too much is
very important. Why do we need to get so
much? We can also give more than we get.
Just give more than you get.
What happens? You're not going to die.
You might actually live
that way.
Doesn't it make sense
what I'm saying?
Does it?
But I'm telling you that it's not like
that. So, you have to maybe look at
yourself.
I was saying that in general it is safer
to give more in any situation.
You know, there are people who come
here, I give you an example.
They come here, they come in
last time say we were in Rishikesh. They
will sit for 30 satsangs.
Every day they'll come on time, they'll
leave on time and everything. But
and they will ask, "When is the next
When is Maharishika ji coming again to
Rishikesh? When is she in
Tiruvannamalai?" And then one of the
sadhaks will say, "Listen, please give
us your email. We'll send you the
message because we cannot answer
questions like this to hundreds of
people, you know?"
But they won't give the email.
It's like a sort of a holding back.
They won't give the email, but they want
all the information. And some sadhak has
to stand and tell them for 10 minutes,
"Abstain."
And like that, it's it's an example of
someone who is just taking and taking
and taking from life and not even ready
to make that small step to help us so
that we don't have to spend time
explaining to them.
So then somebody would come and ask me
what to do with such people. Then I
said, "Then then don't give them any
answers."
I'm saying even on that level giving is
so difficult for many people.
I mean it that way also.
Or you you meet somebody, a woman you
want to spend some time with, you know?
And
I'm not saying you, but
they will not walk her till the till the
train station. It's too much effort.
Even that giving is not there.
It's a culture of people that are taught
from childhood to take as much as
possible from life and give as little as
possible.
But there's always that holier-than-thou
attitude of you have to help the poor
and I'm helping the poor. No, you're not
helping anyone. You're just feeding your
ego.
We have to learn to distinguish. When
are we feeding the ego and when are we
actually giving?
It's a very hard thing to hear.
You know.
It's called surrender.
It's called bending.
It's called tuning into the truth and
living from that truth rather than from
the loud and clamoring noise of the ego
always making you measure everything.
You know.
It's not dependence if you
if you
feel the need to
be in a path
or go to a satsang or be in a
relationship or the dependence is not
there. The dependence is on the idea of
taking as much as possible and giving as
little as possible. That's the
dependence. You become independent of
that idea where your existence is about
giving as much as possible wherever you
can.
No expectations.
Give. And then you see what happens
after that.
It's hard to hear what I'm saying, but
you'll see that there is truth in it.
It's very subtle the ego when it makes
you start measuring everything in life.
It's so subtle. You think you're
actually a very generous, giving, and
loving person, but actually you're
measuring all the time. And when you
stop measuring, suddenly you won't feel
you're dependent on anything. It's just
flow. I'm going here, I'm doing this,
I'm with this person, because you're in
a giving state. How will you feel
dependent?
He's thinking.
You can come here if you want to speak.
Can't hear you.
Do you want to argue with me?
But you can argue. That's why I'm
sitting here. I'm not sitting here to to
just you know, if you have a if you have
a valid argument, I'm ready to listen.
>> As I listen to you, many questions arise
and I'm happy to ask you and see what is
coming and then call me to
receive and absorb what has been said.
>> You also have to come to give into it.
Just surrender myself.
And I I don't I I mean, it's not about
I'm coming to receive and take. It's
about
I'm bringing my presence also to this
space. You have to think like that. The
thinking has to shift.
>> The first part was this awakening of
Kundalini. Although you say it's already
awakened, but I remember when this event
happened
and I felt this energy and then I felt
that everything was love. I felt then
one day just
and [snorts] it got you know, completely
spacious and my nervous system was
deranged and stuff. I didn't have the
right understanding. I didn't have a
one-to-one guidance. So I was doing what
I felt was great and I almost destroyed
myself. So this is a part of the story.
Um luckily I survived. My life became
simpler, more beautiful, more
harmonious. It still is like there is an
urge like to progress and on some
aspects I I see I cannot progress
because on some levels I tend to do the
same thing again and again. And one
thing is, I get attached to women, which
is ridiculous because I was celebrate
for 15 years.
And that was easy. Then all of a sudden
it's like I'm keep projecting on a woman
that she is my savior, so to speak. This
is my
point that I want to understand that I
try to work on.
>> What do you want to understand?
>> Again and again is like I have been told
I should be alone, but I don't want to
be alone. I've been alone in that way
for so many years.
>> Why do you want to be alone?
>> No, I don't want to be alone.
>> Do you have children?
>> No.
>> So then find a woman and have some
children. Be normal.
>> I never wanted children.
>> Why? Because it's giving, right? It's
giving.
You can be a You can be one of those
spiritual seekers you see in in
Rishikesh, all floating about this much
above the ground, and they don't even
realize who's in front of them. They
don't know there's a cow dung, they put
their foot in it, and they are they are
just in such a state. They are not
sadhus. They're not sadhus. If you're a
sadhu, that's okay. Put on the orange
robes and walk away from society. You
are living in society, but you don't
want to have
to raise a child because it's very
difficult to do that.
>> Actually, no. I mean, I'm 56 now. I'm
not younger.
I'm 56.
>> So what if you're 56? So what? So what?
You have an urge to be with a woman,
right?
And you think it's wrong to do that.
That's strange.
>> No, I see
>> It's right to do because your ego will
be nicely slapped by that woman.
>> My attempt to do that is failing. The
moment I try to relate with women,
always that doesn't work.
>> Because you have to learn how to give.
I'm telling you the answer.
You have to learn how to give.
Giving.
To realize, oh, this is a woman, which
is already a Katana, dangerous character
anyways. Then, now I have to learn how
to give to her because you are not ready
to
to give.
And giving doesn't mean emotional
statements. It means coming to yourself
to be powerful and straightforward
standing in front of that woman so that
she really respects you.
Which woman will respect a guy who's
floating
in Satsang somewhere?
That's why you don't get the woman.
Those guys who get the women are the
ones who are all like tough and
straightforward and here and now and
like that. They get the women because
the women want to be with a guy who,
one, is going to protect them, two,
who's going to ensure that they are
financially kind of okay.
And three, who's going to offer them the
world.
>> [laughter]
>> What are you offering her?
>> Actually, I was in a relationship with a
woman who was like that. It's like she
had the whole world to give me and it
was so difficult because I felt I had
nothing to give her.
Apart from my love and my presence,
there wasn't much
>> Love. What is love?
>> She was financially very stable. She was
very kind.
>> What is this love? You had love to give
her. Meaning, how does it express
itself?
Love, lot of people say, but I love my
partner. But that's all in the head.
What are your actions? The actions
>> Actually, when I met her, that's when I
started to paint. She loved that I was
an artist and I was creative. So, I
started to paint and paint and paint and
all my paintings were my love offerings
to her.
So, it was like saying, I'm giving my
energy to
>> So, then fine, so everything is fine,
no?
But it's not fine.
>> because at the end she's never
satisfied.
>> Exactly.
>> she's a woman that she's never satisfied
with anything. She's always
complaining.
>> No woman is satisfied. If women were
satisfied, men would not create.
>> Yeah, sure.
Yeah, it's never enough. I mean
>> No, of course not. Why should it be?
Imagine if she said everything is you
wouldn't do anything after that.
>> Sure.
>> The problem is about giving. You make a
decision that you start to become more
of a giving being.
You are one of those neo advaitin
people who are there observing
themselves and observing the observer
observing himself and all of that stuff
which is all old spirituality.
Last century.
>> Here in Rishikesh in
one month I made 13 new artworks. I
mean, I'm very productive artist if I
give myself to it.
What is this giving at the end? It's
just
No, I'm trying to understand. You said
something but they then I want to
challenge you but you are not precise in
a way.
>> challenge me. I mean, why should you not
challenge me?
>> Okay, then what is this giving?
>> I told you, no? First you make a
dakshina. You didn't do it yet. So,
first you do that. Then after that we'll
talk.
>> Sure.
>> You see what you experience once you
have done that. For me, this is a means
of teaching you something. I don't need
your dakshina. It's a means of teaching
you something. Have you made a dakshina
since you came?
>> No.
>> Why not?
>> Because
I am
>> worth a dakshina?
Okay, so
So, then?
>> No, I
>> I knew that you haven't made a dakshina
because I knew that that's the type of
people who go to those satsangs, no?
Those famous satsangs that happen in
Rishikesh, then they come in and there's
always this problem. They haven't
learned how They are there very
>> No, I will do this
>> I mean, you're a you're a you're a
beautiful being. Don't make any mistakes
about that.
I I I that strongly, no question. But
why did you not make a dakshina?
>> Because
>> Why didn't you put 20 rupees in that
thing? Why not?
>> Because before my heart is your doors, I
always was always giving to the guru.
>> Ah, funny because all the people who
come here say the same thing. All the
years, 20, 30 years we've been now we've
come here we're not going to give
anything.
>> I'm
being more considerate. I was telling
myself I will give dakshina when is the
last satsang I'm coming. Same mistake
like before is like I thought yes, I
received everything from the guru so I
will give everything to the guru.
>> 10 rupees is everything?
>> No.
>> That's the point.
I'm only trying to show you something.
You came to a satsang four times.
>> Sure.
>> You and I'm not telling all of you to
make dakshinas. If you don't want to,
that's fully fine. These are free
satsangs, nothing is expected of you.
But
you
Why did you not make a
dakshina?
Why? Okay, I understand I don't want to
give everything to the guru. Fair
enough.
A dakshina doesn't mean everything.
>> [gasps]
>> Why didn't you do it? What part of you
is incapable of of expressing your
appreciation? Every day you were here,
you came and asked questions and every
day I answered these questions and it
was flowing. You got something out of
it, but you didn't give anything then.
No, no, now you have to sit on that
chair till I get an answer. Why did you
not give the dakshina?
>> Because I thought I'm going to do this
at the last satsang I'm coming.
>> The last satsang? What if what if I die
before that? Then?
>> [laughter]
>> What if I die before that last satsang?
Then? After that you can't give a
dakshina. Then what happens? Have you
thought of that possibility?
>> Yes, sure.
>> Yeah, I became a bit selfish.
>> Really?
>> Yes.
>> Why?
>> Yeah, because I'm
afraid, you know, just this stupid
attitude of me.
>> Afraid of like what? Putting 20 rupees
in a dakshina bowl or or 2,000? Let's
increase the number let's maybe
putting 20,000 rupees in the dakshina
bowl, you're afraid of that?
Why? It's going to kill you or what?
>> Sure.
>> You have to question yourself when you
take something from life and you don't
give something then you don't get
anything.
>> Yeah, I mean, I know that the answer is
not pleasant answer, but I feel like I
gave 20 years of myself to this
guru student system of my energy and
>> Why you sitting here then?
If you don't believe in guru vada
>> I still love it.
>> Ah, I still love to be entertained by
the guru vada system, but
I've it's not really my system.
>> No, it's much deeper.
>> That's what you say.
>> No, I
regard regardless an embodiment and an
expression of the most universal thing
that I love. No small thing. Now, we are
just talking
in a kind of
easy way, but
>> No, no, it's not easy. It's not easy.
You have to answer the question.
>> The question.
>> [laughter]
>> So, you are you you are saying that you
gave 20 years of your life to guru vada,
to the guru shishya system and somehow
you've not got anything out of it.
>> I did, but you're obliged to an
organization.
So, it's like, wow, I gave my full trust
at the end
the trust in God is big thing and you
give it to someone which at the end is
an organization. I said, why?
I don't want to give my energy to an
organization again.
>> But then you shouldn't go anywhere where
such things are. This is also an
organization. I mean, look at it.
There's like all this and that and that
and this and that and that and this is
all an organization.
So, how are you in a place
which you feel is anyway not a system
you can relate to? Why are you sitting
here? I I I'm not telling you not to sit
here. I'm I It's a theoretical question.
Why are you in a place which is actually
a system which you don't feel
is your thing?
You know why?
Because it is your thing.
>> Sure.
>> You have never committed to anyone
fully, to any system, to anything. Full
commitment means full commitment. It
doesn't mean little bit here and then
judging and then this and that. When
there is truth in that motion or
movement, unless that guru is some
extreme criminal that's telling you to
rape somebody or kill somebody, most of
the gurus are quite okay.
They're quite okay.
I mean, there are criminal ones. That's
>> Well, yeah. I mean, I was in
>> I'm pretty sure you were not with a
criminal one.
>> No, I was in Tiruvannamalai in 2012. I
remember I attended a course. I was the
guy who was running after every movement
as was saying, "You know, we have to
make it." I say, "Yes, I'm here. Here."
Hands up.
>> And now you grace us with the end result
of those failures, is it?
It's not a failure. You have learned
from all those masters.
>> Sure.
>> And you should be in that gratitude.
If you listen to what you've said here,
it's very funny. You've had experiences
where you've given a lot to gurus or
masters or systems or whatever and
finally, it didn't work out for you. You
left this system, then you move to the
next, then you move to the next. Then
you move to Then you come to a place
which is clearly a system of Guru
Shishya Parampara.
First day you were here, you knew that,
no?
But you still keep on coming. So, you
come, you want to be part of the system,
but only when it's about taking out of
that system. But when it's about giving
into that system, for example, I give an
example of a dakshina. It could be
anything, actually.
Then you hold back and you say, "No, no,
no, I've had all these experiences."
What bad experiences did you have,
actually?
Some guru took all your money and your
passport and sent you back to your home
country without food.
>> first part, I remember I was sick. I
left the ashram because I was not in a
good health condition. And then when I
wanted to go back, they said, "No, no,
no, you're not going to come back."
And that hurt me so much because I had
given myself completely. That was
>> Why did they say you're not coming back?
>> I don't know. I couldn't never talk to
the guys, then later on someone said,
"You know, because you left, and people
who
end their commitment before the end,
they end up on a blacklist."
>> But that is the rule of the ashram,
then.
Of that ashram, the rule is if you leave
this place, then you're on a blacklist.
If you go to university and you don't
complete your course, will you get a
degree?
>> No, surely not. But that wasn't nice
because I said, "Okay, I'm back to
Italy."
>> That is the rule of that ashram. You're
trying to break the rules of a given
system. I give you another explanation.
There are some people they come and they
refuse to sit down where the people tell
them to sit. They say, "No, I will not
sit here."
Then they tell them, "Then you have to
leave." Because that's the rule here.
Every system has its rules.
Every system, even if it is a guru with
one disciple and a dog. You know,
sometimes you see sadhus, they'll have a
young sadhu with them and a dog. That's
a system. They have strong rules. You
cannot
You cannot just come and and and
expect them to bend their rules to you.
>> But anyway, that's a system. At the At
the end I was so heartbroken because I
identified the system with God. So, it's
like I felt rejected by God. It's a
system. It's not God. God has not
rejected you. And this is what's very
important for me and this is
something that stays here forever. No
system can take the place of God.
>> Absolutely, I agree with you entirely on
this point. And I also would like to
remind you that the God you speak about
is not something outside. It is the
divine within you.
>> Yeah, it's the one who gave me this life
and said, "Okay, you have this life. I'm
happy that you are alive and I bless you
to be alive and well." This God. So.
>> So, the system
is there
in order to show you
the divine within. This system. I don't
know about other systems. Here,
the system is to show you that the antar
guru.
You're always thrown back. Thrown back.
That is why I said
that you have to learn how to give.
It is not to give to a system.
It is to give to yourself, but not in
the way you think.
If you If you stand up and ask yourself
very quietly, bring quiet into yourself
and ask yourself,
"Is it the right thing for me
to make that dakshina?" If you're done
that on the first day,
you didn't do it.
You went with the ahankar.
I'm not saying you would have maybe you
got a no.
Maybe the truth said no.
"Simone, you cannot give a dakshina."
Okay, then you go with the truth. But
did you ask? Did you consult? No.
That is what you learn here.
You learn to consult the truth.
That's all. Guru system, this one, that
one, up, down, it's only the antar guru.
>> I didn't even have this question.
I thought it's fine that
satsang is open and the day I think this
is the last satsang I will give a
direction.
>> Because you base that on your ego and
not on
a sensing of the situation.
>> Yeah, and is exactly
>> That's what you are here for to learn.
That's why you landed up here.
You are saying the last day of the How
do you know that you'll even come
tomorrow?
How do you know that? Did you ask?
Did you ask the antar guru, will I be
here?
What do you base all these ideas on?
Some idea, of course, some planning we
all have.
>> Yeah, but it's about my relationship
with the system because I said yesterday
I left the ashram.
>> But you're taking advantage of a system.
By even stepping inside this satsang,
you are taking advantage of a system.
Yes or no?
>> Yes, I would say yesterday
>> Is it yes or no?
Are you taking advantage of a system?
>> Completely.
>> In a positive way?
>> Yes, sure.
>> Yes. You are taking advantage of a place
where a guru is sitting and giving a
satsang, right? So,
by stepping inside here, you are
accepting the system.
But what you are doing is you're
stepping inside, you're taking from the
system, but you're not accepting it.
You're not accepting it.
You're against guru vada and guru
shishya parampara. You You don't feel
it's the way to go because you've
suffered. You've been burnt, right?
When you are burnt,
you are still here because that is the
system in which you have to in this life
learn how to function. It's your system.
Maybe it's not his system. Maybe he's
not meant for Guru vada. He could be
sitting here enjoying the satsang and
it's a flow. It's all fine. Maybe he's
not meant for Guru vada, but you are.
You're 56 years old. You're still
sitting in front of a Guru. Why?
Because it's your system.
>> Sure.
>> It's like people go to university. They
go, they learn, then they will go back
and then they have two children, then
they again study. There are people who
study till the end of their lives. They
go to universities.
Your system is Guru Shishya Parampara.
That's your system. So, wherever you go,
you'll always end up trying to learn
from this system. Otherwise, why are you
here?
You know?
>> Sure.
>> Because it it calls you. You're still
You're trying to see did I make a
mistake in my life by all that 20 years?
Is it really
a big mistake? No. There must be
somebody or someone that is
representative of the truth.
You're searching for that and you won't
find it if you don't give.
in that system. And the first thing you
give into a system is to respect it.
You cannot come into a system and not
respect the system, then you won't get
anything, really.
Are you Is it starting to make some
sense to you?
>> I'm trying to see the point.
>> 20 years, no? You were with different
Gurus. This and that.
>> Oh, it's 30 years in general.
>> 30 years.
30 years.
>> Yes, or 10 years like a student of
Guru and I was 1 year and a half in the
ashram, 2 years actually. And I was for
10 years like the student of the son of
another Guru. And I was 3 years in the
ashram.
The whole thing went, you know,
to the mental institution.
Okay? Then I was in a mental institution
for 3 years, then I was out of it. I was
again a cool guy doing his life. I
started to be an
an artist and stuff living a normal
life. And I found your satsang and I
started to listen. I go to sleep
listening to your satsang, I wake up
listening to your satsang.
>> the on the YouTube?
>> On the YouTube, yes, sure.
And I will keep doing it until I'm
satisfied because I'm sure I'm very
hungry of this in this life.
>> Why do you want to do all these satsangs
and listen to all these gurus?
>> Hm?
>> Why do you want to do all this?
Why you listening to all these gurus?
For what? Are you listening also to
self-help
teachers?
>> No.
>> Why only gurus?
>> Because that's my thing.
>> That's your thing, exactly. First step
is to say it's a it's an amazing system.
Not to say I gave all my
uh life to gurus and that's why that's
why I came to your satsang and I didn't
give a dakshina. It's the most ancient
system of transmission on the planet.
Guru shishya parampara, it's it's
amazing. It has it has possibilities
that most other systems don't have.
>> Sure.
>> Right?
Step one.
For now we made first step without even
a dakshina. You understood something
about yourself.
>> Yes.
>> Oh, you already knew that also, okay.
>> It's
but that was also your choice. I mean,
in very simple terms, you in your
you came here.
We were allowed to enter and to sit and
ask questions. So, I'm not doing
something that is not allowed.
>> I didn't say that you're doing something
not allowed.
I said that if you come into a system
and you don't want systems, then there's
a confusion and a contradiction in your
thinking.
To say that uh I don't want all the
systems, I want the wisdom but not the
systems. Do you know what a system is?
It I'll tell you what a system is around
a guru.
You see that lady sitting there? 18-hour
working days, year after year after year
after year. You see him there? You see
him there? These are all people that
tough, physically tough people who from
morning to night are running
a machinery so that people who are in
trouble, like that man who was here with
the Kundalini, with the pain, with a
ball in his thing, or people like even
yourself or others who have real
existential questions can get their
questions answered.
That is the system.
So, to
to
be here, it is important to respect the
system.
Because it is the system that is
allowing you to actually reach
the truth of your own being.
It's very important to respect that.
Have you Have you actually looked at
her? Have you Have you Look at her.
Have you looked at her and seen what
she's doing?
Have you noticed?
Because you've been in satsangs where
people don't notice anything. I'm saying
get down to this reality here and notice
what's around you.
Have you thought for a moment he's
standing there every day for 2 hours?
Plus from early morning to late night,
that's what he's doing.
>> Sure, and definitely
>> No, have you Have you No, 1 minute. 1
minute. Don't say sure. Tell me.
After you've come here, did you once
think that these are people These are
human beings. They're not robots. And
that they are hard work What all they
must be doing so that those YouTube
videos are on, so that people like that
guy with a Kundalini problems get
answers answers, get quiet. People like
you can listen to those Did you think
about that? Don't say sure. Tell me.
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Because
you have to become present now.
>> No, I didn't.
Um I've seen this in
G Ashram and G Ashram, so I know. I know
there are beings who devote themselves
to seva is their life. I know for sure
it's not my choice. I won't do that
again. Not because I blame the system.
>> Nobody's asking you to do that. It was
because you said that all those systems,
they were not for you.
That the system took you away from
yourself or took you away from God or
you confused God with the system. And
what I'm trying to tell you is that the
system makes it possible for you to
connect with the divine within.
That's what I'm saying. And therefore it
deserves your respect. Not that you have
to join the system because say in our
this framework, it takes years for a
person to even get seva.
Did you hear what I said?
I said it takes years. People are
applying since 5 years and 10 years to
get the chance to do the seva. We don't
give them that chance because we do not
want people who don't respect deeply the
system. You are not like a lot of people
sitting or you have 30 years of of seva
of guru seva behind you and you still
haven't understood that you have to
respect the system. You have to respect
it.
Otherwise you can't get that final
answer.
You won't reach the truth. First you
have to respect. If I don't respect the
university, how can I get a degree?
The university will always stand in the
way then I won't follow the rules. I
will not listen to the professors. I
won't write the exams. All of that I
won't get my degree.
And your degree in spirituality is to
reach
There's only one thing,
self-realization, reaching the self.
Your point is the self,
self-realization.
And this system is making it possible.
The system is not the self.
The system makes the realization
possible.
So don't confuse the two.
Again.
You are a you are shishya material.
Otherwise you won't be sitting here or
you wouldn't have been with other gurus.
But things don't go according to how you
want in Guru Shishya. It's not a
psychologist who has certain rules of
behavior.
Uh it's not psychology.
Guru will squeeze you and turn you
around and throw you in the air and
catch you again and all of that must
have already happened to you.
No?
Just flow with it and
understand that your
your way and your path is through
the Guru Shishya framework. Not this one
I'm saying, anyone, but that's your
thing.
Accept it quietly first
and then start to
come to yourself and be steady in
yourself.
And it's better for somebody like you
not to do guru tourism. You'll just get
confused.
If you go to Neo Advaita gurus, they'll
tell you one thing, you come here, I'll
tell you another thing. Somebody else
will tell you a third thing.
I say the exact opposite of what the
Advaita gurus say, the Neo Advaitans.
>> Yeah, in that some aspects.
>> Don't do guru tourism is what I'm
telling you.
>> Mhm.
>> It's not good for you.
>> Mhm.
>> Decide on something and flow with it.
You keep on going here and there, it'll
confuse you more and more and more.
Different for her, she's not your age.
She's she can still choose and go and do
the check out 100 gurus, it's fully
okay. But at your age, there's one point
you have to take one path and stay with
it, whatever it is.
It will be better for you.
Take one path, whatever is appealing to
you, whatever it is, take one and stay
with it.
That is the way, next step for you.
Otherwise, you'll be more and more
confused and more and more pinched. I
said no, pinched in the beginning.
Today when you
satsang is over now, today when you go
home, you you just be a little quiet.
Try to figure out, you know, what is
your what is speaking to you really deep
down.
Of all the gurus you know and what
you're watching on YouTube and whoever
is speaking to the deepest, stay with
that person and just stay.
Guru vada has rules. It's not a
rule-less story and one of the rules is
in this framework, for example, I say
after the age of 36,
fix on one guru unless it's a criminal
and rapist or something, fix on one guru
and go the path. It's a risky business.
You cannot have spiritual realization
without taking risks.
And you have taken risks.
Give time, find out and decide on one
guru and stay with it.
See, maybe he's not somebody meant for
guru vada. Understand, maybe he's
somebody who just comes here, listens to
the satsang and goes, but you have been
in in guru vada since 30 years.
A large part of your life. It's your
thing. Now look for a guru and stay.
Guru vada means you find a guru at one
point and stay with that guru and go
deep into everything.
You know?
Whoever speaks to you culturally maybe,
you know, there are different masters in
the world. Maybe somebody in your
village,
in your town in Italy. Italy has amazing
gurus. There are lots of very powerful
and amazing spiritual masters coming out
of Italy.
I even know of a few of them. Some have
even come to my satsangs.
Really loving and powerful beings, you
know, who can really guide you. So, you
have to decide on one person.
That tourism
It's not a supermarket. Have faith in
yourself that you will know who is the
right one for you.
And stick.
Stick with guru.
I mean
You know, it's also fun to have a guru.
It's not just a big heavy thing. I mean,
my shishas we have been laughing all the
time from morning to night. In fact,
just a few days ago I was telling them
we are laughing too much.
We have to be more serious. Be more like
guru and shisha.
We have fun.
You also probably had fun with your
gurus, right?
But we have lots of fun.
I don't think spirituality is all this
serious stuff. It's not. It's It's joy.
An abundance of joy.
Do they look serious Does she look like
some serious
floaty creature?
Does she look floaty? Does he look
floaty? Look at them. They're all very
present.
They're here.
So, I'm a little tough with you.
But it is done out of love. It is not
done out of wanting to put you down. You
understand?
>> Sure.
>> Yes.
I think that that will save you if you
just decide on one guru and just go with
it.
You know.
Whoever it is, it doesn't finally
doesn't really matter that much.
The point is not who is the guru. The
point is how am I as a shisha?
The bell has rung. So.
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