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Leonard Susskind argues that the primary power of quantum computers lies in their ability to simulate complex quantum systems that are too difficult for classical machines to model. Instead of merely solving abstract mathematical problems, these devices function as physical models where users can manipulate variables, slow down processes, and perform measurements on a system that obeys the same fundamental laws as nature itself. This capability is particularly valuable because real-world quantum systems often cannot be easily altered or observed without disrupting them; for instance, one cannot simply pause an experiment to poke into it or change its parameters arbitrarily to test different hypotheses. By building controllable versions of these systems, scientists can explore scenarios that are impossible to investigate through direct experimentation alone. While factoring large numbers is frequently cited as a hallmark application of quantum computing, Susskind suggests this may be a rare exception rather than the rule for future utility. He posits that there will likely not be many other problems with similar special properties available for classical computers to solve efficiently but which only quantum devices can handle quickly. The true promise lies in addressing vast fields such as chemistry, solid-state physics, material science, and even theoretical areas like quantum gravity and field theory. As researchers encounter equations too complex for standard pencil-and-paper methods or classical supercomputers, the solution will be to construct specific models of these systems—such as topological insulators or superconductors—to analyze their properties under controlled conditions. The discussion also touches upon the relationship between large-scale quantum computers and macroscopic phenomena like black holes. Susskind notes a fascinating parallel where the physics governing massive quantum computers mirrors that of large quantum black holes, both possessing many degrees of freedom. This connection allows physicists to use insights from one domain to understand the other, bridging gaps in our understanding of fundamental laws. However, he draws a clear distinction when considering biological systems and the human brain. Unlike black holes or engineered materials like superconductors which exhibit strong quantum mechanical behaviors at macroscopic scales, there is currently no consensus that brains function as intrinsically quantum systems utilizing entanglement or coherent superposition. Despite his personal hope for the romantic idea of a quantum brain, Susskind acknowledges that most neuroscientists he has consulted believe the brain operates classically rather than relying on special quantum features. He admits this view is not entirely settled but leans toward agreement with them while noting that macroscopic materials are indeed composed of microscopic quantum systems. The discovery of new materials like topological insulators demonstrates how large chunks of matter can function in ways heavily dependent on quantum mechanics, requiring advanced analytical tools to understand. Ultimately, the field stands at a crossroads where we must determine whether nature's most complex structures, from black holes to biological entities, utilize unique quantum advantages or if their behavior is adequately described by classical physics emerging from underlying quantum components.
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[Music] my mind as far as I can tell the great power of quantum computers will actually be to simulate quantum systems if you're interested in a certain quantum system and it's too hard to simulate classically you simply build a version of the same system you build a version of it you build a model of it that's actually functioning as the system you run it and then you do the same thing you would do the quantum system you make measurements on it quantum measurements on it the advantages you can run it much slower you could say why bother why not just use the real system why not just do experiments on the real system well real systems are kind of limited you can't change them you can't manipulate them you can't slow them down so that you can poke into them you can't modify them an arbitrary kinds of ways to see what would happen if I if I change the system a little bit so I think that quantum computers will be extremely valuable in in understanding quantum systems at the lowest level the fundamental laws they're actually satisfying the same laws as the systems that they're simulating man okay so in the one hand you have things like factoring back in factoring is the great thing of quantum computers factoring large numbers that doesn't seem that much to do with quantum mechanics right it seems to be almost a fluke that a quantum computer can solve the factoring problem in a short time so though and those problems seem to be extremely special rare and it's not clear to me that there's gonna be a lot of them on the other hand there are a lot of quantum systems chemistry there's solid-state physics there's material science there's quantum gravity there's all kinds of quantum of quantum field theory and some of these are actually turning out to be Applied Sciences as well as very fundamental Sciences so we probably will run out of the ability to solve equations for these things you know solve equations by the standard methods of pencil and paper solve the equations by the method of classical computers and so what we'll do is we'll build versions of these systems run them and run them under controlled circumstances or we can change them manipulate them make measurements on them and find out all the things we want to know so in finding out the things we want to know about very small systems right now the is there something we can also find out about the macro level about something about it the function and forgive me of our brain biological systems the the stuff that's about 1 meter in size versus much much smaller well what the only excitement is about among the people that I interact with is understanding black holes that falls black holes are big things there are many many degrees of freedom there is another kind of quantum system that is big it's a large computer and one of the things we learned is that the physics of large quantum computers is in some ways similar to the physics of large quantum black holes and we're using that relationship now you asked you didn't ask about quantum computers or systems you didn't ask about the black holes you asked about brains yeah but stuff that's in the middle of the two it's different so but the black holes are there's something fundamental about black holes that feels to be very different than the brain yes and they also function in a very quantum mechanical way right okay it is first of all unclear to me but of course it's unclear to me I another I'm not a a neuroscientist I have I don't even have very many friends who are neuroscientists I would like to have more friends who are neuroscientists I just don't run into them very often among the few neuroscientists I've ever talked about about this they are pretty convinced that the brain functions classically there is not intrinsically a quantum mechanical system or doesn't make use of the of the special features entanglement coherent superposition are they right I don't know I sort of hope that wrong with just because I like the romantic idea that the brain is a quantum system and but I think that but I think it's probably not the other thing big systems can be composed of lots of little systems materials the materials Arthur that we work with and so forth are three large systems and a large piece of material but they're begging and they're made out of quantum systems now one of the things that's been happening over the last a good number of years is with discovering materials and quantum systems which function much more quantum mechanically then than we imagined topological insulators this kind of thing that kind of thing those are macroscopic systems but they just superconductors superconductors I have a lot of quantum mechanics in them you can have a large chunk of superconductor so it's a big piece of material on the other hand it's functioning and its properties depend very very strongly on quantum mechanics and to analyze them you need the tools of climate annex you