Laughing in the Interrogation Room: The Biggest Red Flag Experts Spotted

We had the best time doing the initial breakdown of the body language and behavior in this video, and we decided we'd revisit some of our favorite moments from it. >> So, your dad kind of explain everything to you? >> Shut up. Said something about shooting up the school. >> Did you say something about school shooting? >> They were just told him. >> I don't know what. >> Or maybe they misheard somebody else tell him or say it. I don't know. >> You never ever said >> No, I swear. >> Do you Do you use Discord? >> Discord? >> Yes, sir. >> I used to. I don't have it now. >> When's the last time you used it? >> I don't know, like a few months ago. >> Really? Was it at Traditions or was it here? >> No, it was at Traditions because in that Discord account that I had, I had deleted it before because Before you moved here? Yeah, because I think it got like it made me password fold or something. Like I clicked on a link somebody had. >> Have you heard anybody on Discord when you were using it say something like that? Do you remember? >> Like at that time? >> Yeah. >> Um I don't think so. I don't think I ever had anybody that >> Never? And I mean I'm not trying to get anybody jammed up, but like this is some serious stuff, you know? Oh, he knows how serious it is. Trust me. That I'd I'd hate to Yeah, my boss was even like, you know, I don't know how old this information is and if you want to wait till Monday to follow I'd rather do it now just So would we. Cuz God forbid something happened and I didn't do my job. That'd be that I'd I'd feel pretty bad about that. So, I just want to make sure you understand that if if something like that happened or you hear something like that, >> Report it. >> Yeah, it's >> tell your dad to All right, Chase, what do you got? All right, so right away he's grabbing the door frame. He grabs the chair for security. He's kind of hiding behind the chair. He's avoiding eye contact. There's genital protection where we do this thing over our our growing. Some people in body language call this the fig leaf gesture. Then there's the arm swing going back and forth just trying to burn off energy. Then the hands go into pockets and there's three ways we can put our hands into our pockets that convey different information. So when they enter the pockets all the way, there's typically a lack of confidence and sometimes insecurity. And we tell you all the time to clusters and just in the first few seconds of this, it's a humongous cluster that spells out insecurity and lack of confidence. And the swaying that we're seeing here in this video is an expenditure gesture. It's burning off adrenaline. It's too much for the body to handle at the moment. And this is nervousness. Then he repeats part of the question about the discord. >> Do you use >> uh Discord? >> Discord? >> Yes, sir. >> This behavior is uh really concerning because there's a pile of clusters here. So when you see this behavior like this all by itself, somebody repeats the question all by itself and there's not some giant mountain of other things, it's probably innocuous. But in a situation that's serious like this, it's time to go all in. This is where you would really calmly make a confrontation and launch into what we call interrogation mode, especially in situations like this. Mark, what you got? >> Yeah, so totally agree. The child here is is barriered behind that kind of door post essentially, but the father guides him out. So the father sends out the kid first. He then barriers behind the chair. The father removes the chair. So we've got a father here who's potentially not being particularly protective of the son in this situation is removing all those barriers that the son wants to put there. He therefore puts the focus directly onto the kid. I think I believe in this video he sits down pretty soon, focuses on the kid. Well, of course yes, they have come round to talk to the kid, but in some ways to then put the kid right out front, it's an interesting position for a parent. Uh we get Greg what what you might call chained elephant happening there. Now, you know, we've got to put in the possibility that you and I say possibility, possibility, that you often get that kind of swinging side to side or backwards and forwards with ASD. Might it be Might it be that? Well, it it might be, but it also might exactly be what Chase is talking about there, which is the expenditure of energy. So, all the time we're trying to pick up What are the other clues that go with it? Let's see. Let's see how much that swinging from side to side continues. Let's look at the father's response to that cuz the father knows the kid, you know, what's the father doing around that? And the hands buried in the pockets. Look, everything that you were talking about there, Chase, just one other idea there for the swinging from side to side. I frankly don't think it's likely to be that. I'm not seeing some other indicators there, but we've always got to put them in because is it Is it stimming? Is it self-stimulation going on? Already for me interesting what the father is doing around this son who's in a vulnerable situation talking to the police. Greg, what do you got on this one? >> Yeah, so let's also give him the benefit of a doubt because if I walk up and I say, "Hey, little [ __ ] are you going to shoot up a school?" What do you think a kid's going to do? He's going to feel stressed, and he should feel stressed. Anytime a police officer's involved in a young child's life, this is a kid who's 13. That kid should feel some stress. If he doesn't, I'd be concerned as well. So, all the stuff we're talking about, Chase, I love the fact you're pointing out all these clusters. I bought a handgun from a guy one time, you know, you meet up, you have to exchange information, all that. And I remember really nice gun, and it was reasonably priced, and I asked this kid, he was about 21, "Would you shoot anybody with this, kid?" And you can imagine coming from me how this kid took that. He was his you could see him just go pale and everything, and I was like, I could tell the kid hadn't done anything. But imagine if you're in the position where someone is older, has more presence, has a gun, all that kind of stuff, is going to cause you to jack up. So, we expect it. What we don't expect are a couple of deceptive behaviors. Now, when we say there's no such thing as body language of deception, I'm not talking about body language. I love he's doing the sway, the chained elephant, because we can watch it for cadence and see shifts. When he says something about shooting up a school, >> He said something about shooting up the school. >> That's a southern, very much a Georgia speech pattern. So, I'm not going to take anything away from that. But but so, he's stressed, he's adapting, he's got low eye contact, all that might be a 14-year-old, but he has a feigned misunderstanding and repeat of discord. >> Discord? >> Yes, sir. >> He says discord like he doesn't know what it is. That means he's avoiding a guilty knowledge topic. That's a problem. That's what we saw with Santos, if you guys remember. He does it all the time. He'll avoid the content that matters and it will make him look bad. Then there's a pause and the um and uh I don't have it anymore. >> Discord? >> Yes, sir. >> Why don't you have it anymore? >> I used to. I don't have it anymore. >> That's interesting. So, why are you doing that? Why would you avoid and then distance? And then suddenly he knows a hell of a lot about discord. He starts talking about it getting hacked and all that kind of stuff. >> And that discord account that I had, I had deleted it before >> Because before you moved here? >> Yeah, because I think it got like and then password forward or something. Like I had clicked on a link somebody had. >> He didn't even know what discord was at the beginning of the question. That for me is a red flag. That for me would have me going, "Hold on a second, kid. You said you didn't know what discord was. You're acting like you didn't know what it was. So, tell me about your Discord. Tell me about every time you've touched it. I would go after him there. 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You know, so we see that's when he starts to going back and forth and and and trying to get rid of that built-up stress and energy. So, that's he's adapting at that point. He This he's so rigid during all this. As you would be, that's understandable. Understandably, he's he's really really rigid. And you can see how high up his shoulders are. That's how That's how tense he is. His His voice at the beginning now, it's really really strong. It's really high. >> Said something about shooting up the school. >> Because compared to the way it is at the end. >> I don't think I ever hurt anybody that >> That's because when you get stressed like that, your larynx gets uh stressed because your throat tightens up a little bit. You You're trying not to to breathe too weird. You're He's thinking about trying to look normal because he's nervous. And he And that makes it even worse because it starts this snowball effect up in your head, and you start thinking, "Am I being nervous?" We get all kinds of emails and comments from people saying, "How is somebody going to know if I'm telling the truth or if I'm lying, because I get nervous when I talk to to to normal old people? I'm always nervous." There are differences in this in these types of nervousness that you're seeing, and when it goes away, when it comes back, when it goes away, and it comes back. So, if you're one of those people, don't worry about it. They'll be able They'll be able to tell if you're feeling nerves because you've done something you shouldn't have or because you're nervous talking to people. That comes up all the time. So, his volume is good. His diction is clean and clear. He's trying to get his message out, make sure these guys believe him. So, that's understandable there. Um then he starts goofing around with something in his front left pocket, you know, whatever that is, I don't know. And usually in when you got pockets for your guy, there's something in there in your your scratch, you're going to goof around with that, be it keys, wallet, whatever it is. So, who knows what's going on in his pockets. Uh and we're going to see that rocking going back and forth. We're going to watch it speed up and slow down, cuz that lets us know it's That's a great indicator of his stress going up. He's got all that energy, and he just starts going back and forth. At some points, he just it it gets really small, and at some points, it's really large. And we'll watch him as we go through, and I'll point these out as well. He starts getting sideways, and starts backing up against the wall. So, they've And they've sort of got him cornered in there. So, and the part about where he talks about where he doesn't know what Discord is, and then he does, I think maybe these guys they see this, and they go, "Okay, hang on. Wait, this There might be something here." Because that should have been a fairly short conversation, be able to look at him and go, "I think everything's okay," and then move along. But this lasted a while. So, I think I think they've got a hint that something isn't right, but they're just not sure yet, cuz there are no There are a couple of red flags in there, but there's nothing definitive that you go, "Okay, something's up. Something's up with this guy. You got to keep checking it out." And that's what they're doing. All right, we're good. >> Yeah. I think that was his phone the pocket. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> That's what I'm talking about. I don't know what you're >> What information do you have? >> That's what he came in. >> This is a good day. It's just >> They're taking >> Hey Carl, what's going on, man? So, did your dad kind of explain everything to you? >> He said he said something about shooting up the school. >> Did he Did he say something about school shooting? >> I just told him I don't know what I maybe they misheard somebody else. I don't remember he said anything like that. I could be wrong. >> He never ever said >> No, I I swear. >> Do you Do you use uh Discord? >> Discord? >> Yes, sir. >> Um I used to. I don't have it anymore. >> When's the last time you used it? >> I don't know. Like a week once ago. >> Really? Was it at Traditions or was it here? >> No, it was at Traditions because in that Discord account that I had, I had deleted it before >> because before you moved here? >> Yeah, because I think it got like in my password folder or something. >> Like I clicked on a link somebody sent. >> Have you heard anybody on Discord when you were using it say something like that? Do you remember? >> Like at that time? >> Yeah. >> Um I don't think so. I don't think I ever had anybody do that. >> Never? And I I mean I'm not trying to get anybody jammed up, but like this is some serious stuff, man. Oh, he knows how serious this is, trust me. That I'm I I hate to Yeah, my boss was even like, you know, I don't know how old this information is and if you want to wait till Monday to follow up. I was like, nah, I'd rather do it now. >> so relieved. >> something happened and I didn't do my job, I'd be that I I'd feel pretty bad about this. So, I just want to make sure you understand that if if something like that happened or you hear something like that, report it. Tell it to your dad. Tell him >> What are you searching it for? >> To uncover the VIN. >> Well, for what? Do you have any suspicion of it being stolen other than no plates and the gas thing? >> Absolutely. >> What's your suspicion of it being stolen, officer? >> Hey, man, is Is your car or what? You're making this so much harder than it used to be. >> You're [ __ ] towing it for no reason. You got your nasty ass shoe on the [ __ ] wheel. >> Yeah? >> Get your [ __ ] shoe off the wheel. >> Is this your car? >> You're being disrespectful to whoever's car it is. >> Okay, you need to back off my face. Go over there. >> I'm not in your face. You just stuck your [ __ ] hand in my face. >> But >> But, get your [ __ ] Why is your foot on the wheel? Why are you doing that? You're literally doing that to piss me off for no [ __ ] reason. >> Cuz your car? >> Doesn't matter. >> Is this your car or what? >> You're going to scratch those [ __ ] wheels and have to pay for them. >> Yeah. All right, go and walk over there. >> Well, I don't know what policy is. Your department's probably going to have to [ __ ] pay for these thousand dollar wheels. >> Go and walk over there, bud. >> Keep your [ __ ] hand out of my face. >> Walk over there. >> Keep your [ __ ] hand out of my face. >> Walk. Walk. Get out of my face. >> You're You're walking in my face. >> Go before you get >> [ __ ] touch me. >> Go. >> I'm not doing [ __ ] >> Off my scene. Get away from my car. Go. >> This ain't your car. >> Go. >> Your car's back there. >> I'm getting you a first search warrant. Start moving. >> I You're You were You were approaching me. You were getting in my face. >> Move back. >> Get your [ __ ] hand off me. >> Stay >> You're messing with the wrong Keep your [ __ ] hands off me. >> Stay off the car. >> Keep your [ __ ] hands off me. >> Stay off the car. >> Off the car? You're the one that was on the [ __ ] car. I didn't touch you. I'm off the car. >> Back up. >> I'm I'm [ __ ] back. >> Okay. Back up. >> Start recording this. Touch me again, [ __ ] Come push me. >> Back up. >> Come push me. You can push me for no goddamn reason. You're putting your hands in my face. >> Yep. >> I kept my phone back respectfully. I wasn't sticking it in your face. I got your name and that was it. What's your [ __ ] badge number? >> 117. So, like I was saying this car is going to the Gig Harbor Police Department if you're not going to claim ownership of it. What's going to happen is we're going to get a search warrant. >> with me. Why would I want to [ __ ] make it easy on you? >> Okay. >> So, he's worried about a thousand dollar set of tires for a four hundred seventy three dollar car. That's red flag number one on the we're trying to find out how smart this guy isn't. >> Do you know what one of the first things I do is every time we watch this and I don't always talk about it, but I always try to spot the movie that somebody thinks that they're in. >> That's a great one. >> Cuz they're going to it's going to show you how they live, it's going to show you what they think the future is going to be like. And this guy right here is the aloof intellectual rebel who outsmarts all the authority figures. Do you know what movie this is? It's Goodwill Hunting. Without the character growth arc. >> [laughter] >> That's what it is. He's got the posture, uh the false confidence and all that other stuff, but none of that um earned self-awareness. That earned self-awareness that makes the characters in the into these kind of movies a lot more powerful in the end. So, he's stuck in act one. >> call. >> So, I'm going to I'm going to take that idea and move it on even further. He's attending the award ceremony for that film and he goes all Will Smith on the whole thing. Notice that repetition that he does and the escalation. >> Keep your [ __ ] hands off me. >> Stay off the car. >> Keep your [ __ ] hands off me. >> Stay off the car. >> Which is Will Smith's keep my my wife's name out of your mouth and he repeated it again and escalated it. He does exactly the same routine. I was like, well, that's that's Will Smith. Now, I don't know whether this is before the Will's it's got to be after. >> This is recent. This is >> Yeah. >> 3 months, 4 months, maybe it's back in March. >> I I think you're right about the Goodwill Hunting and I think this is him collecting the award and going Will Smith on the whole thing as well. >> But I think I think there's some real frying a circuit going on in here, too, though, cuz you know, we always talk about a loss of verbal fluency. It's not often we hear people sound like Sylvester the Cat from Looney Tunes. Go >> Hey, man, is this your car or what? >> They make all kinds of noises. A foo bird? Yeah. >> Okay, because this guy is is a foo bird. And what a foo bird does is they're in Africa. I think it's Africa or maybe it's Brazil. I think it's Brazil. And this is a bird that flies around in a circle and starts flying around in a circle, goes faster and faster and faster until it flies up into I think that's what we're seeing it happening here. Slowly but surely he's turning into a foo bird. >> Well, he spun up to to a crazy point in here. >> also watched too many of those sovereign individual videos >> Oh, yeah. Sovereign citizens. >> Yeah. You know what he hasn't watched? You know what he hasn't watched? [clears throat] He hasn't learned from Scott's MMA rehearsal because how does he lead in the fight? Come on. Come on. >> Yeah, yeah. I'm sure he does. He's Harry Enfield's short bloke as well. He built himself this character who would kick off. This short guy would walk into a pub and get incredibly exercised and kind of get violent. >> When your arms are down by your side. >> Yeah. >> And that foo bird's going to make a mess. You know what they say? If the foo shits, you got to wear it. >> That's the one I know. >> So >> [laughter] >> I I was waiting for my I hope she makes a short out of that. >> If you're an insecure male, if you're an insecure human, anything that touches your what you think are your possessions, like this car, it triggers a like this weird territorial threat response. So it the translation here is you're making me look weak in front of her. >> Yep. >> That's why he's doing this stuff. He's begging for some reversal of power. He wants to bait [clears throat] the cop into overstepping cuz now he's vacillating between I need to be this big alpha male guy, and if I can't do that, I'm going to be the famous victim. I'm going to be a famous victim. I'm going to get thrown on the ground. He knows he's not going to take the guy. >> But I don't think he's I don't think he's thinking. I I think he's beyond I think he's already to the point where he's just So, we always talk about hormones turning off your thinking brain. He's in This is cat brain full bore 101 right here. And if you if you watch him, I would say that people's what the words you choose when you have control of your brain are choice. That's the will. But your body is going to punctuate what it thinks, right? Your body's going to do this. It's what we read. The last part though is the vocal part, and that's up to the highest bidder. And fight or flight's got him cuz pitch, tone, and cadence are all ramped [clears throat] up. >> But that's what I'm saying. I think he's not thinking, but I think he's been exposed to so many videos, these viral videos where someone triggers a cop and they get some viral win. And he's playing this little fantasy in the background here. It maybe obviously unconsciously until it dies. >> But there needs to be When this happens, there's always a goal. You know what I mean? But I can't figure out what his goal is, his realistic goal. >> I think Chase is dead on. It's a modern goal is to get a viral video. >> Yeah, cuz he starts filming immediately. Video one, he was he's already filming. He's already gone. I reckon I could get a video. I've got some content out of this. Yeah. You know? And so I think that is But underneath all of that is that desire for a certain attention. And he does have the cops' attention now because now the camera is right as he comes in and closes the space, which he's getting way too close. >> And it's first collapsing. So, that he's starting to realize this cop is controlling real world consequences. And then he's kind of maybe subconsciously realizing this isn't a Reddit thread. And And you're you're not going to out-intellectual people, especially a cop. >> Well, and and when he changes voice tone, he's been nothing but helpful to this kid. He's given him an out and an out and an out. He's touched the cop. He didn't break his arm for touching him. He didn't grab him and manhandle him. He just pushed him away and said, "Get away." The kid pushes back. He doesn't do anything. He gives him more than one out. When his voice changes, when that tone changes, and he says, "Get out now." And he's pushing back. >> I You're You're You're approaching me. You are getting in my face. >> Move back. >> Get your [ __ ] hand off me. >> Kid ought to be smart enough to pick it out, but I think you Chase, I think one of the most dangerous things in society right now is there enough kids who are willing to forego what we think of as normal natural instinct for self-protection for a video. And sometimes they're so focused on the actual camera, they're not looking. And I'm not beating up kids. I'm just saying because the this viral video thing is such a hot thing. He got his viral video. He just didn't get the one >> [laughter] >> I think she starts laughing because the cop starts laughing. She's looking at and I think she like locks eyes with him for a second. They sort of connect cuz they both see how ridiculous it is and lets us know she thinks it's ridiculous as well. >> Is this your car? Doesn't matter. >> Is this your car or what? >> You're going to scratch those [ __ ] wheels and have to pay for them. >> Yeah. >> I think he's at same time he knows it. Yeah. Yeah. So that's not his normal behavior. I mean, it's he probably does all the time, but I'm saying he's not like that all the time and she knows that this is goofy for him. So at least somebody knows what's happening around there besides the cop. You know, the kid just doesn't see what's happening, doesn't understand, but he knows that now. >> And his girlfriend is watching the death of a persona that she probably liked at the beginning when it was outgoing and and powerful, intelligent, and she's seeing the persona die. And laughing. >> Yeah, and at one point you see her drop her eyes down into her right. I think it's in this video whenever this thing starts to fall apart. She's looking down to her right. There's probably some "Hey, this thing is not going to go like we thought it would or he thought it would. How am I going to stay clear of the shell fragments, you know, because >> I don't understand why the cop said what he What is she doing here, you know? What are y'all wait What is she waiting on? You and I mean, what are y'all I mean, he said that at first, "What's going on? You know, what you What are you looking for?" Cuz the kid's testing out the waters there, but I don't know why he didn't call her over and go, "Come here a minute. What are you doing?" You know what I mean? So, that would maybe that would have made it worse, but I don't know. >> It's got a Traverse sitting in the parking lot right next to him and they forward went this >> No, it's not. I looked. It's >> I'm assuming your video of it. You must have had an angle [laughter] on it. >> No. >> went Traverse. >> No, a Traverse is a cooler looking than that. >> I thought it was a Traverse. I was going to go, he walked past the random dude's Traverse to random dude's car. If If anybody out there has access to after market wings for Traverses, Scott would be interested. [laughter] >> I need one. Bad. Real bad. >> At the end of this, you're looking at a guy who spent some time online. And if you go to these online communities nowadays, they reject any vulnerability whatsoever. They mock any kind of empathy, and they just worship cleverness. They worship being clever. And And he [snorts] is just taking probably spends a lot of time there. He's He's taking the only real map that he knows and applying it to the situation. >> And I'll bet you anything that when he yells at his mother, and I know he does because the way he's act That's the way he's acting since he was a child to his parents, and they let him get away with it. And that's the way he sounds when he's hollering If I'm sure if we saw him hollering at his mom, we'd all go, "Oh, man." It'd be one of those things you could hardly keep from wringing his neck right there in front of his mom. >> What are you searching it for? >> To uncover the VIN. >> Well, for what? Do you have any suspicion of it being stolen other than no plates and a covered thing? >> Absolutely. >> What's your suspicion of it being stolen, officer? >> Hey, man, is this your car or what? Dude, you're making this so much harder than it needs to be. >> You're [ __ ] towing it for no reason. You got your nasty ass shoe on the [ __ ] wheel. >> Yeah? >> Get your [ __ ] shoe off the wheel. >> Is this your car? >> You're being disrespectful to whoever's [ __ ] car it is. >> Okay. You need to back off my face over there. >> I'm not in your face. You just stuck your [ __ ] hand in my face. >> But >> But, get your [ __ ] Why is your foot on the wheel? Why are you doing that? You're literally doing that to piss me off for no [ __ ] reason. >> Cuz your car? >> Doesn't matter. >> Is this your car or what? >> You're going to scratch those [ __ ] wheels and have to pay for them. >> Yeah. All right. Go and walk over >> Well, I don't know what policy is. Your department's probably going to have to [ __ ] pay for these thousand dollar wheels. >> Go and walk over there, but >> Keep your [ __ ] hand out of my face. >> Walk over there. >> Keep your [ __ ] hand out of my face. >> Walk. Walk. >> Get out of my face. >> You're You're walking in my face. >> Go away or you're going >> Don't [ __ ] touch me. >> Go. >> I'm not doing >> Get off my scene. Get away from my car. Go. >> This ain't your car. >> Go. >> Your car's back there. >> I'm going to get you a first search warrant. Start moving. >> All right. You were You were You were approaching me. You were getting in my face. >> Move back. >> Get your [ __ ] hand off me. >> Stay in the car. >> in your junk. Keep your [ __ ] hands off me. >> Stay off the car. >> Keep your [ __ ] hands off me. >> Stay off the car. >> Off the car? You're the one that was on the [ __ ] car. I ain't touching it. I'm off the car. >> Back up. >> I'm I'm [ __ ] back. >> Okay. Back up. >> I'm recording this. Touch me again, [ __ ] Come push me. >> Back up. >> Come push me. You can push me for no god damn reason. You're putting your hands in my face. >> Yep. >> I kept my phone back respectfully. I wasn't sticking it in your face. I got your name and that was it. What's your [ __ ] badge number? >> 117. So, like I was saying, this car is coming to the Gigg Harbor Police Department if you're not going to claim ownership of it. What's going to happen is we're going to get a search warrant. >> shoving me. Why would I want to [ __ ] make it easy on you? >> [panting] >> Gosh. [laughter] Gosh. Ow. I moved my hands. Ow. These are like way more comfortable than the last >> It'll It'll make It'll make it hurt. You got to keep it still. >> These are way more comfortable than the last car I was in. I'm too fat to stay still. Gosh. [laughter] These are way more comfortable than the the last car I was in, police car. I was I had my things by my back, but I hit it like really bad and [ __ ] I had to like go into like crazy positions just to feel comfortable. And it It an hour long car ride. Dude, last time they only had They didn't even put me in handcuffs. They just took me and they let me take my stuff, too. I was able to take like some of my My Little Ponies, my plush, and my phone. But then they took my phone away. They took all my stuff away cuz they were like, "You can't have this in there." So, I was like, "Okay, whatever." >> I was like, "Yeah, man." I was I don't think I had anything on me, but I got my uh shirt taken away. >> Cuz like No, cuz I think it like went off the sleeve a little bit. >> Uh-huh. >> And I guess that wasn't allowed. >> Ooh. >> Yeah, for risky business. >> We're going to become one of those lesbian couples locked in jail, [clears throat] too. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. And you could be the butch. >> Yes, I think so. >> Hey. >> Hey, this is my [ __ ] Stay away. >> Yeah. Were you trying to look good for your mugshot? >> Oh, [ __ ] Am I going to get a mugshot? >> Well, we're going to jail. What do you think? >> I was going to >> Dude, I was going to do my makeup this morning for the mugshot, but I couldn't find anything. >> I'm glad I don't actually look too bad today. >> I look horrible. >> And >> It's over. >> And don't worry. You don't need to Don't worry. You're the butch. It doesn't matter if you look good. >> Hey, at least they're going to see They were going to see me some way or another in the mugshot. >> Yeah. >> Dude, we were supposed to spread our story around at TCC, though. Hey. Oh, we had two souvenir cups from Florida that couldn't >> Dude, you don't You don't have to put me in there. This was a >> You didn't have to work it. >> Did you help me get materials? >> No. >> You were going to see the photos. >> [laughter] >> All right. Mike, what do you got? >> Uh yeah. So, at this point as far as I can see, we understand that they've been in a vehicle like this before. This is This is now Oh, okay. This is not new to them. >> Isn't it more comfortable than the the last car I was in? >> Dude, last time they only had They didn't even put me in handcuffs. They just took me >> As [clears throat] I've said many many times, once is a pattern. So, we should know the first time they ended up in a vehicle like this, we should be able to predict that that's going to happen again for them. Yeah, once is a pattern. I'd like you to take that into account if you're interested in behavior. If something's happening to somebody, if you're seeing something odd, chances are this isn't the first time for them. We should be actually looking at this and going, "This is not the first time for them." They've been very close to this or they've been in this situation before. I'm reminded of I saw some details just recently of a guy who's been struck by lightning like I don't know. It was something like seven times or 14 times. I can't remember. >> Stay inside. Stay inside. >> Right, right, right. [laughter] Okay, so stay in Yeah, if I stay inside, I'm less likely to get struck by lightning. Anyway, people were saying this guy must be amazing. He must be like He must be producing the electricity. He must be So, no, he worked for the Forestry Commission >> [laughter] >> out in the US. He's outdoors all the time. In the wide open expanse and uh it's like there were some other people who got got struck by lightning a lot. They were golfers. And and it just so happens if you get struck like by lightning once on the golf course, your chances of getting struck by lightning another time uh go up. Why? Because once is a pattern. You were clearly not the person who went indoors when the lightning storm when the when the storm came. Most of the people are going to go, "No, no, we got to go in." So, this person that didn't go in gets struck by lightning and that's a pattern. They don't go in again and again and again and they keep getting struck by lightning. It's not that they are some supernatural force. >> I think his name was Judge Smalls. >> [laughter] >> Nicely done. >> Yeah, it's nice. >> Your kung fu is good. >> be. May well be. Uh Chase Hughes, he'll be here all week. If you're driving home, don't forget your cars. Uh comedy styles stylings of Chase Hughes. Take it away. >> Y'all remember The Great Outdoors? With John Candy and that guy got stuck >> Yeah, that's right. >> 66 times. >> Is that right? >> So, uh All right, let's go back to the right axis on this uh chart here at at the bottom. This is called hyperreality. This is Jean Baudrillard if you want to look it up. I don't have time to go into that. Uh Mark will nod knowingly right about now. But this is fully >> And Scott. >> Fully inside the simulation. The identity of this person is stitched together out of little fragments of stories. Scott talks about this all the time when he talks about people that have antisocial personality disorder, how they kind of stitch this uh this idea of life and who who they are out of all these stories they've heard. But what happens here is the emotional response to them go super flat. And you heard it in the clip, the laughing, the tone, uh the weight of what they were actually saying versus the way that they were saying it. That is what's There's a term for this. It's called affect mismatch. So, the clinical name for when the emotion doesn't match the content is is affect mismatch. And it's one of the most reliable early markers that we have in in all of psychology. So, I had to look this up this morning. But the scale exists, the my scale exists for this reason to map out how somebody ends up here so we can see them coming before they get here. And we can definitely see a progressive collapse on the scale there. Uh Great, what do you got? >> Yeah, what we're seeing here is a cult of notoriety. I got to tell you how bad I am and how much These are kids. Look, Mark, we agree on on the whole thing about where they're at and what they're trying to do. The the I sum up the way you're talking about it as once as a pattern is this. If you think your kids are hanging out with the wrong crowd, no, they are the wrong crowd and you need to intervene. That's just human nature. If they're allowed to run, they're like dogs running for a fence. If they don't find a fence, they keep going to Mark's point about once being a pattern. And if you notice the one on the right, the one with the red hair, starts flexing her record. And if you don't pay attention, you won't notice that she has to start three times to make a point of the other girl hearing about her writing in the back of the car. >> Oh, these are low-key more comfortable than the last >> It'll make it hurt. You got to keep it still. >> Is it more comfortable than the last to stay still? [laughter] God. Is it more comfortable than the last car I was in? >> Three times. Usually if somebody interrupts you a couple times, you go, "Yeah, okay, maybe not so important." But it is important because they're in this cult of notoriety. I can tell you from real life, if you get your hands on terrorists, often it's like this. They're in this cloistered environment where they're competing with each other about who can do something a lot worse. And then when you get down to the brass tacks and you ask them why they do it, they say, "Well, I could have stayed and been a nobody or I could do this." These are probably underperforming children at school. They Nothing else is as real as what goes on in this little cloistered environment they have. Even though your point, Jason, might not be real at all. It might just be And you know, you could put a bot in there texting and they would fall for it quite the same way because we're back to humans don't change. Humans haven't changed. Their data inputs have changed because the same drives it took to make us cluster, to make us get together and go and protect each other and create societies, are the same drives it takes to do this. So, we've hijacked those drives with artificial with an artificial culture that has no real meaning and you can see it in these kids. You watch them, they start saying there's nervous laughter. This day I'm going to keep beating this one because it's the same thing over and over and over. Their virulence that's occurring inside these closed environments makes them more aggressive. And by the way, you don't have to look to these two kids. Go watch people who are coming off their couch with posters and signs for either side of the other and getting into a pissing contest face-to-face assuming that everybody believes what they believe and getting into a physical violence over something that they probably have little knowledge or information of from other than what's been fed to them through these systems. Just pay attention to how you get your data and how your kids get their data. Scott, what you got? >> Well, I thought it was really interesting. A couple of things. The only thing that worried me about this whole thing so far that has me worried is anybody know what I'm going to talk what I'm going to say? What the most worrying thing is? If this guy puts on the brakes too hard, that that one in the white t-shirt is going to choke to death. That thing they've got the seat belts off, so it's like riding a road. So, if anything happens, she's out from from that moment on. But the juxtaposition of not only the looks, but the way but their their word choices, the way they describe things, everything is the opposite, it seems like, with those two. One of them's got to got her hair colored, the other one doesn't. The other one's worried about makeup. They're They're talking about makeup. The other one's worried about how she looks. The other one's confident with it with how she looks. Everything is the opposite there, things they talk about. What you're talking about Greg, when she brought up the the part about the most uncomfortable I've ever been in a police car, the last time I was in, she's trying to up her social status in that situation. It's like the the one-upping has already started, so we know who the leader is in those two, who the dominant character is. Cuz it's so easy to be so easy for the red-headed one to knock down the black-headed one. It It's, you know, so she's being real That That's one thing that personality type does. It gets people like that around them who really really super insecure, more insecure than they are, and gets and treats them nicely because that person knows they can chop them down any second with one phrase or or one shot at them. And so, she's super nice to her. And since she's super nice to her, she really appreciates it. So, she's overly nice to her. So, that puts her in the in the top leader position of what are we going to do, how things are going to go, I'll listen to you. That's That's my impression. I've seen it a million times as have you guys that we've talked about before as well. So, I just thought that was interesting the the differences in in the two, but they're both approaching it sort of in the same way, but the the reason they're going so deep on this is because the other one goes so deep when they start talking about how it's nothing. The other one start talking about how it's nothing as well, not that big a deal. So, I just thought that was um for me that was the most fascinating part of them that seatbelt's going to choke her to death if they actually hit something. So, all right, we're good? [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Gosh. Ow. I moved my hands. Ow. >> These are a lot more comfortable than this. >> It'll make It'll make it hurt. You got to keep it still. >> Yeah. These are more comfortable than this. >> fat to stay still. [laughter] >> These are more comfortable than the last car I was in. Police car. >> I was I had my things behind my back, but I had it like really bad and [ __ ] I had to like go into like crazy positions to feel comfortable. And it was an hour-long car ride. >> Dude, last time they only had They didn't even put me in handcuffs. They just stuck me They let me take my stuff, too. I was able to take like some of my My Little Pony, my plush, and my phone. But then they took my phone away. They took all my stuff away cuz they were like, "You can't have this in there." So, I was like, "Okay, whatever." >> I was like, "Yeah, man." I was I don't think I had anything on me, but I got my shirt taken away. >> They Cuz like No, it I think it like went off the sleeve a little bit. And I guess that wasn't allowed. Yeah, for riskier us. We're going to become one of those lesbian couples that in jail, too. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, you could be the butch. >> Hey, hey, this is my [ __ ] Stay away. >> Yeah. Are you trying to look good for your mug shot? >> Oh, [ __ ] Am I going to get a mug shot? >> Well, we're going to jail. What do you think? Dude, I was going to do my makeup this morning for the mug shot, but I couldn't find anything. >> I'm glad I don't actually look too bad today. I look horrible. >> It's over. >> And don't worry. You don't need to I'm Don't worry, you're the butch. It doesn't matter if you look good. >> Hey, at least they're going to see they were going to see me somewhere or another in the mug shot. Dude, we were supposed to spread our story around at TCC, though. Hey, oh, we're here two stupid meetups from Florida that couldn't You helped me get materials. You are going to see the photos. >> Well, I hope this things are going to get better, and we'll see you next time. >> [music]