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“Korean Music Lyrics Are Causing Women’s Mental Health Problems” | Douglas Murray

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Douglas Murray argues that misogynistic lyrics in popular music, particularly within K-pop and hip-hop, are contributing to women's mental health issues by normalizing objectification and sexual violence against women. He cites a specific shift in BTS lead singer Jungkook's solo career as an example of this disturbing trend, noting how his earlier stance against the industry norm of sexualizing women has been replaced with imagery that identifies women negatively or depicts explicit fantasies about infidelity. Murray highlights lyrics where female partners are described derogatorily and male rappers boast about masturbating before sex to last longer, suggesting these messages create a toxic environment for young listeners who internalize such attitudes as acceptable behavior. The speaker contends that while popular culture undeniably shapes how people perceive themselves and the world, its influence is often overstated by those unable or unwilling to step outside of it. He illustrates this point with an anecdote about requesting gym staff turn off rap music containing repeated uses of racial slurs because he did not want such language in his mental background, emphasizing that individuals can choose to avoid content they find harmful rather than being passive victims of societal trends. Murray suggests that complaining about minor cultural grievances while ignoring more pressing global issues is a form of weak excuse-making for unhappiness, urging people to take responsibility for curating their own media consumption instead of blaming the culture entirely. Murray expands his critique by contrasting trivial complaints with the brutal realities lurking at society's edges, using the tragic events near Gaza as a stark example of how slogans and attitudes toward peace are insufficient against real-world violence. He recounts attending or hearing about a "Peace Rave" where young people gathered to dance in hopes of harmony before being attacked by Hamas forces who killed hundreds, an event that haunts him because it demonstrates the limits of cultural optimism when faced with existential threats. This incident serves as his argument that while one can critique air conditioning temperatures set for male bodies or gender pronouns, these are minor irritations compared to the fundamental dangers and horrors that exist globally which often go unacknowledged by those focused on cancel culture wars over rap lyrics. Throughout the discussion, Murray maintains a skeptical view of "cancel culture," questioning why society aggressively polices misogynistic song lyrics while simultaneously ignoring other forms of systemic misogyny like workplace temperature settings or geopolitical atrocities. He acknowledges that popular media has a massive impact but insists it is not an inescapable force; individuals have agency to reject content they dislike, such as the specific rap he encountered at the gym where even mouthing along could lead to social cancellation on platforms like TikTok. His conclusion reinforces the idea that while culture influences us, we must actively resist becoming its creatures by avoiding harmful narratives rather than expecting society to fix them for us, especially when doing so distracts from more serious existential challenges facing humanity today.
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one uh potentially unfortunate situation is that women's mental health is in part down to misogynistic songs when BTS lead singer Yung cook changed to a more misogynistic music a disturbing Trend followed a psychiatrists point of view on bts's young cook and the the messages of pop music early in their teen career BTS took a deliberate stance to refrain from objectifying or sexualizing women despite going against a music industry Norm they achieved huge success now as part of his solo launch different imagery has surfaced in Jung cook songs they include a woman telling of her man that she will be your fantasy and swallow your pride to make him never think about cheating lyrics that identy what why you said swallow your pride in a particularly suggestive way not at all I've got I've got more to go here uh lycs that identify women as those hoes over there and a male rapper telling his female partner I wank before you came so that I can [ __ ] you longer of course in reality Yung Cook's songs are part of the course or even tame does that work by the way what you just described you've You' never increased your stamina by having a warm up I have thought the lyric more likely I did that before you G and I I just let to get a better that kind like a lie down I did that before you came that's why I texted saying I'm not so first yeah don't I have a quick dinner now I'll go to bed one of my friends had a uh had a a rubric for this that was masturbate before you evaluate oh well that's true yeah that's that can be sensible advice I'm not sure if I liked you or I was just horny horny yeah yeah but no girls mental health you were reading out these Charming lyrics those hoes over there I wanked before you came so that I can [ __ ] you longer well where to start Downstream from K-pop is a Litany of female mental health problems that's what I'm saying there's a the problem here isn't there because on the one hand popular culture does have a massive impact on the way we see the world uh I was at a gym recently where I actually asked the gym staff to to turn off the music because it was a load of rap very unpleasant rap with a repeated use of the n-word in it obviously it was a black rapper or so I was assuming right um You didn't find yourself mouthing along to the lyrics worried about no but actually I know that's right what what problem could possibly EMG from singing along just to interject there someone got canceled on Tik Tok for mouthing the nword along to a song right so it's it's no possible it's no longer the sound of the word it's the mouth shape that that word engenders um well we know that it's a magical word in our time which even the speaking of suddenly summons up the Demons of the past Lord Voldemort yeah very very strange but no I just said to this I said to the gy I I said I just don't want to hear it cuz I don't want I just don't want it in the background of my life you know um is it that gym that we trained at we can discuss this another time but anyway um no I just don't like there are certain things I don't want in my ears and that's one actually I have no interest in hearing the word because it's a banned word so why would I want it in my mental background yeah um but so but anyway the point is is of course popular culture has a huge impact on people it has a huge impact on the way in which people see themselves it does it does at the same time you can overstate it you know somebody is not generally unhappy just because of the popular culture apart from anything else because you can easily step out of it as I try to do um and you know be a part of your time but not be its creature as Shila says um and so no I I think it's a sort of weak excuse for unhappiness the popular culture happens not to be to your taste or avoid it get out look up from the screen when is cancel culture going to come for rap lyrics because it seems to me that you know as we're fighting against the misogyny of air conditioning temperatures in offices that are conditioned to the male body temperature as opposed to the female body temperature or I mean the the the levity of the era is just astonishing to me you know lots of people attribute to me this quote that is not quite right I don't think it's quite for me but that um that we'll be talking about gender pronouns when the barbarians break in but I've said something like it quite a few times but I mean you know gender norms and air conditioning it's a sort of thing that you would be discussing just before you will get you know macheted I'm totally serious about this it's sometimes it's like one of the things that actually genuinely shocked me in recent weeks particular after the Hamas massacre in Israel was you know and then something which I do think at some point when when it's all died down a bit might there might be a moment of of of H what youve I've got to say this carefully but a moment of um seriousness which is you know take the music first of all within a few miles of the Gaza border that hamad's attacked all the young people there were at this sort of Peace Rave and um this isn't in any way to victim blame these are people just wanting to dance and um dance into the early morning and I think it was called the peace Rave the peace and love Rave something like that um and then this hideous other world broke into to them to their lives and ended the lives of hundreds of them there's something there's something haunting about this I find because it's especially haunting because it sort of demonstrates that your slogans and your attitude only go so far and they can't keep out some of the things that are lurking at the edges and I think that when I hear people whining about minor things you have any idea of the world out there if you had any idea of the things that was lurking You couldn't possibly be complaining about this in other news this episode is brought to you by Maui newie venison Nei venison brings the healthiest red meat on the planet 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