KDE Dev reacts to Linus Tech Tip ENTIRE Linux journey!

Linux Tech Tips has published a fourpart series where he explains the journey towards Linux of him and his company. And I've seen the first part where everything is set up. But I still have to see part two, three, and four where they tell whether they're going to stick to Linux or not. So I guess we'll do that and it's going to take hours. [laughter] But then the first week was full of so many unexpected highs and lows. We knew there had to be another video. >> This feels like we've had so many troubles that we had to make a video complaining about them. But hopefully it's not going to be that. Is it? >> Yeah. Especially after the Linux community exploded. >> Yeah. >> After I picked Pop OS again. >> And while Luke and I seem to have been praised for our choices, I can tell you guys firsthand that it has not been a smooth ride for me. Meanwhile, things were going so great for me, I decided to dip my toes even further, attempting some more complex tasks that I didn't expect to go super well, just to [music] see what would happen. >> And I ended up trying some other distros, which addressed some of my issues with Pop OS. But >> this is an interesting selection. And by interesting, I mean, what the [ __ ] is happening here? [laughter] switched from POS to Steam OS, the operating system that's not yet out for like any device, but only on the Steam Deck so far, as far as I know, at least best side because again, why can't you pick a normal distribution? And then Kubuntu, which yeah, I I guess that's the the closest to what I would recommend him. I I I I I'm still very confused by this these choices, but it's not Linux Linux's fault, honestly. >> But uh also ended up being frustrating in their own ways, but what is even more frustrating is that they aren't letting me be the one. >> It's a segue to our sponsor, >> Threat Locker Workplace. Link down. >> I feel like I've got to start this by explaining my brain deadad choice of Papo. It was amazing. How many people got angry at me for picking the same dro that screwed me over last time? But if you guys are, >> which by the way does not make any sense. Uh [laughter] especially because the distro screw him over last time due to a particular bug that has since then been fixed. So I really don't think that it makes much sense to say don't use Papy because of the bug that's been fixed already. Although yes, it's it still feels like a weird choice to pick. Not because it's bad, but also it's still like in beta. I think guys remember I actually used Mangaro last time after I was assured that the bug that I encountered when I was setting up Pop OS was a one-time fluke and then I got piled on for being so quick to abandon it. So this is me. >> Yeah, this is the Linux community. Whatever you do, you're going to get insults. Ju just ignore them, Lenus. Try a few distros, but you've done that. So, >> putting aside my past experience after seeing so many people, listicles, and chat bots that still recommend it. That willingness to try again is a good thing for Linux. I mean, if everybody bailed after one bad experience, there would be no distros left to try. >> There wouldn't be anyone trying Linux. Honestly, [laughter] I've had my fair share of bad experiences with the Linux on I don't know kind of old distros. Not as bad as the whole operating system gets destroyed when I try to install Discord. But still, I had some stuff. Nothing is perfect. And unfortunately, that goes especially for Pop OS. System 76 has spent the last couple of years hard at work on a new desktop environment, Cosmic, and it's been a challenge. Lionus, Cosmic is basically in beta. Don't you know that it's not ready yet? >> No, I didn't. For one thing, where does it say that? The thing that I downloaded was called LTS or long-term support. That's like the opposite of beta. >> Yeah, which fair enough. Although it's not. And uh I think Nate recently published a blog about about this. Um but LTS is like long-term support which means that we're going to give you some software which is going to receive uh bug fixes and uh you know support for an increased amount of years. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's ready yet. But but yeah, I totally get your confusion confusion. You're you're very much right there. I would have had to journey to a random blog post from back in September of 2025 to discover that Cosmic is now in public beta. Number two, maybe this is a hot take, but maybe if System 76, a commercial entity, not a random open source contributor, knows that it's not ready for prime time, instead of blaming me, we should probably blame the company that shipped it. And you know what? Yeah, >> completely fair. Especially because again, if you go ahead and download Popey, it doesn't say, "Hey, warning. this is beta. It doesn't say that. So maybe >> I could have come across some of the Linux YouTube channels that have highlighted these issues. But a key element of the Linux challenge is highlighting that unless you know to ask the question, is this DRO's desktop environment in beta, it can be hard for new Penguin Curious users to find the right answers? So Penguin curious, by the way, is such a beautiful term. I'm going to use it. As we keep going, it's important to think of the Linux challenge not as an attack on Linux, but as more of a pentest for how friendly it is to newbies. My Basite adventure >> totally fed a better way. >> Started a bit better than Lionus at first, but if you remember in part one, I mounted my SMB share. I was shocked at how easy it was to find cuz normally on Windows I would have to type in the address bar and find it versus on Bazite I just clicked on network and it found it right away. But I didn't realize that that wasn't mounting it. That was just creating a shortcut. This means my read and write permissions were all over the place and I couldn't save some files to my network drive if [music] I clicked on that shortcut. To solve this, I had to do some Googling and I found out that I needed to modify my FS tab file to point the network location to the Mnt folder on my drive. So >> that sounds pretty unintuitive. But to be honest, I don't get network folders at all. So just ignore me on this topic. >> So I did that. But then I noticed that I had two, both of which were still behaving like a shortcut. I tried at least a dozen different options in order to mount the share correctly. None of which ultimately succeeded or should have even been necessary if you ask me. Opening context menus on icons, shortcuts, or applications is a great tool. And it seems like a big oversight on the Bazite team to not include a quick mount option that just works. Instead, I want to fab myself in the head. >> Meanwhile, I was having a grand old time on Cashy. And since I felt more comfortable than the other two guys, I decided to get a little bit daring. I uninstalled my entire Cinnamon desktop environment on purpose to see if I would run into any challenges. It took about 20 minutes max before I was up and running with KDE Plasma. And my only issue was that I had to clean up some small things left over from Cinnamon. Uh like a >> Okay, so this is something that I did as well when I was starting out with Linux. Turns out I wouldn't really recommend it because I mean you can do it especially if you know what you're doing which few are but still the hassle of figuring out which packages to remove which ones to install and which uh configuration you have to change in order to properly switch from a desktop to another. And because it's not just the desktop itself it's the whole uh theming system. you can end up with a you know kitty plasma but with the gnome style for some reason so many ways this can gone wrong and I I've been suggested when I was younger to not do that and I should have listened to the older people and yeah don't just just install the kitty plasma variant right away don't try to change the desktop I highly recommend against it but you do know what you're doing so maybe it was fine >> an additional sound icon that was in the bottom tray because I had two sound icons and they could conflict and stuff and that was honestly also really easy to do. So, no big deal. As for my gaming adventures, my first real challenge in this Linux challenge was probably my own fault. I had read some stuff online saying that I could do it, but I think I was trying to be a little bit more optimistic than realistic. I had a Windows game drive previously that I just kind of left alone and tried to use on Linux, which means that it was formatted in NTFS. Um, I just added it to my Steam library in Linux and tried to go. All my games showed up perfect and everything seemed fine at first. Some games even ran okay, but I started to notice some glitches and even some games that I had freshly installed on that drive just wouldn't work. It would just you click play and it just wouldn't launch sometimes. It turns out that while Linux can still use NTFS and there's been some ongoing development to make it even smoother, even since we started this challenge, [music] I can say in my experience it was uh kind of rough, especially when used with Proton. Proton doesn't seem to like it. So, in my opinion, if you want to play games off of an NTFS drive, just don't. At least not right now. My gaming experiences were mostly smooth with two major exceptions, though. One of which I'm actually going to save for the conclusion cuz it's kind of a spicy one. So, make sure you get subscribed for that. But the other was actually the first game that I tried to fully play on Linux. Poppy Playtime Chapter 5. I wanted to stream it, but I was getting no audio and no picture, which is not ideal for a stream. I I I don't really wonder how can how whenever there's this kind of videos from Lenos Tech Tips, there's always somebody who's isn't sorry able to set up OBS properly like should work out of the box obviously, but I it's so weird to me because I I've done the same thing. I I do the same things and I never had such an issue. Why is OBS such a pinpoint? I'm just used to it working perfectly out of the box. I don't get it. >> Oh no. Are we not going to be able to play? But then it suddenly just popped in and started working fine. I played it for a little while and then the same thing happened again. >> Look, all the friends are here. Isn't this amazing? Oh, >> well, it turns out that the pre-rendered cutscenes weren't working. Proton, which is the compatibility layer that allows non-native Linux titles to work on Linux, is missing proprietary licenses for H.264 and H.265 video codecs. What was the solution? A community fork called Proton GE, which thankfully was in the Basite store. That's a pretty simple fix, but it's also one that highlights how unrealistic some Linux evangelists can be about the experience. No, in many cases, it doesn't just work out of the box. This is true. Uh I think that the Linux and Vangelist are so happy that it works out of to say that it works out of the box because I mean a few years ago almost nothing worked, let alone out of the box. And now most games I feel like work out of the box. I never had any issue with any of the games that I played except one where I had to change a single single setting. So I would say that that is miles ahead compared to what we were a few years ago and I feel like the enthusiasm of that is getting into our heads and now we're like everything works out of the box even though yeah it doesn't but um I I also wanted to say that this driver thing sadly like I I wouldn't say it's really Linux fault. Sadly, many distributions can't really ship many drivers because legal reasons. There was a lot of drama a few years ago with like Fedora that was shipping a very important driver and they were not meant to ship that. So, they had to remove it. It's a bit of a mess and that that's like capitalism, not Linux. And users who don't treat fixing their operating system as a hobby will be looking for someone to blame for this hassle. So, is it Linux, >> capitalism, >> Valve, Mob Entertainment, [music] The User, maybe all? Or, hear me out, none? It's easy to jump on the blame bandwagon and hate on some developers for not prioritizing Linux. But ask yourself this, if 50% of your customers were on Windows and the other 48% are on Xbox and PlayStation, would you be stoked on hiring a fourth group of employees whose job it is to deal with the other 2%? especially knowing that those 2% are not running one OS. >> Yeah, totally fair. Of course, thanks God there's the Steam Deck now which runs Linux and hopefully that should help. But again, the problem here was the missing drivers and I guess that Python could have just shipped the drivers. Uh but of course they couldn't because of legal reasons. So yeah, >> but are probably running >> that's what I'm going to blame here honestly >> different flavors of OS. I mean, maybe you would, but it's more important to remember that just like the users, many companies don't treat fixing operating systems like a hobby. Okay, so then we >> By the way, this is completely unrelated, but I I just keep this wallpaper. It's called Flow. I I just instantly recognize it. It's from K obviously, and it's from the very first KD wallpaper competition. Hopefully, I'm correct here. Uh, and I also like it was either the first one or the second one. I don't remember but like the first I think I think it's the first one where I I was like um also a participant. So I also submitted my wallpaper and then from that point onward I actually became a couple of times the judge for the wallpaper competition. So, I don't know. I get excited when I see old Kitty Plasma wallpaper send. I go, "Oo, I actually remember that. I actually had to judge it." >> And we blame Valve. No, obviously not. It's super cool that they have put so much support into Proton, but the fact that they've paid so much already is not a good argument that they should just obviously pay even more for these commercial video codecs. The point I'm trying to make here is that >> ah yes, I guess they could have both decodics but you know I I think that would be a lot of money like a lot and users can just download them for free. So >> that enjoying the Linux experience requires >> still capitalism though capitalism >> a no blame mindset. Some stuff's going to work and some stuff won't. It's not anybody's fault. Everyone is doing their best. So with that in mind, throw out what I said earlier cuz I'm not mad at system 76. In fact, I left Pop OS on my main desktop just for the LS and it mostly worked for most things. With that said, when it came time to install Linux on my other systems, I did opt for something different. Starting with Basite on my home theater PC, it's just too bad the Linux curse followed me there as well. Um, Bazite has different versions of their installer depending on the brand of your GPU and whether or not you want the Steam OS full screen experience. Well, I've got an Nvidia GPU and yeah, I want that experience. That's kind of the point of it on a home theater PC. So, I picked this one. And um, let's put it this way. The Basite team feels that I should have known the one that I selected would result. >> Seems installed the game mode version of Invidtor. Uh, support is already Okay. >> So, apparently you cannot have big picture and Nvidia at the same game mode version. Okay. Oh, there was a warning. At least it's something today. Completely unusable experience, but to me that's actually not that obvious. Coming from the Windows Google normie world where a stable service like Gmail was labeled beta for 5 years, it's not that unreasonable to think that you can daily drive a beta and have a mostly functioning experience. In Linux, that's an expectation that needs to be completely thrown out the window. here. Beta seems to mean this is broken and if you're not a developer, you should probably just download the LTS, which might also be beta. Clearly, we've got to reach a middle ground here. And >> yeah, I I think this is somewhat fair, although I would say that most beta programs in Unix that I've tried work just mostly fine with a few bugs like Cosmic. Basite seems to agree because they have updated the messaging on their site. Anyway, that happened later. So, >> it's incredible that every Linux tech tip videos that comes out, uh, Linux DRO manages to put more warning that what you're doing is [laughter] going to have serious consequences. Apparently, that's the the most likely outcome of a Linux tech Linux Linux video. Oh, to get my system up and running, I ended up doing what many Linux people do and switching to a Radeon card, which was completely painless. Why run Bazite when I could just run Steam OS on the Steam machine that we built on this channel like a couple months ago. I can't believe I forgot about this thing. I've been meaning to install it. I actually ended up throwing Steam OS on my home theater PC. >> This mostly explains why he picked the distress that I picked at least. So, I'm less confused than that. >> See? Nice. Okay. Is it a bit of a hack to just switch out your hardware? Yes. But also no, because a lot of Linux gamers would go out of their way to choose compatible hardware in the first place. So, I'm pretending I did that. First, I want to see how well this integrates with my system here. Let's hit power toggle for the PC. No way. Did Valve seriously bake in support for this old Microsoft IR receiver, >> which was child's play to get working? And it's been kind of awesome from the couch. Nothing. >> That's cool. I didn't know you could do that. >> Further to report there. >> By the way, your camera is out of focus. >> As for my laptop, I decided it was finally time to practice what I preach and go for good oldfashioned trustworthy Ubuntu. Sort [music] of. Kubuntu is actually Ubuntu but with the KDE desktop environment which >> I love that they are all going their way to out of their way to use K Plasma. That feels like a big win with both Kosio switching from Cinnamon to plasma and Linu choosing to go from choosing to go choosing Kubunt instead of Ubuntu just kitty plasma. This feels like great news for Kitty Plasma. Now, of course, it also means that everybody that they're going to find issues with it, but >> which I find quite comfortable to navigate sort of. I [music] mean, first I have to get to the desktop and day one was kind of terrible. After completing setup, it just black screened and it sat there for hours and I was like, come on, man. This is ridiculous. Then I came down in the morning and it was like Santa had visited because it was magically sitting at the login screen and it's been downright pretty solid ever since with a >> That's weird [laughter] and I don't know what else to say about this. >> A bit of a learning curve. For example, I did run into issues getting some applications to work due to downloading [music] the wrong package. Debian packages, snap packages, and flat. >> Yeah. which is of course the the big issue with Ubuntu because and I hate this hate this Ubuntu now wants to force uh snaps onto you. So if you try to download something with AP sometimes you're going to get an APD package. Sometimes you're actually going to get a snap and and that's insane to me. Like why on earth I I know why on earth they would do that and I hate that they did that. capitalism again. >> Flat packs will all work on Kubuntu. But I figured, okay, well, Debian makes the most sense since Kubuntu is based on Debian. But then after I installed OBS, I realized I had no option to select the display that I wanted to screen capture. The solution, use the flatp pack installer, apparently. >> I'm guessing that you're on Wayland and that was the issue. >> Okay, but where the top result, as far as I can tell, doesn't convey that it's a flat pack. Oh, right. I need to enable flatp pack search. Except that wasn't the solution either because Wayland which Kubuntu uses as part of its desktop environment has a privacy thing built in that no likey [music] screen capture. Now it can >> yeah that's why you need the flat pack version I think. I don't know how it is with AP and snap right now. It should work. Why on earth isn't it working? But yeah, Wayand does uh make sure that you don't get communication between application. I mean it makes sure that not any application can randomly start recording your screen without your knowledge. You need a specific like bridge. Um I don't remember the technical name right now. Sorry. Portal. I think it's portal. uh for the application to ask permission to get your screen which is super cool and of course you need that implementation of the portal which is certainly in the flatp pack version should be in every version I think but uh usually I do go for the flatp pack one because it works out of the box >> can be worked around but threads like this one are a great example of how troubleshooting can often be a guess and check experience >> to be clear it it uh I can't speak apparently but yeah it should work out out of the box even on wheeland right now I I'm on wheeland I'm using OBS without any problem and I just installed OBS with the system packages and did I where did I install sorry how did I because I'm also on kuntu so uh which OBS uh bin OBS so up uh list. Um yeah, I'm pretty sure that I used a to get OBS graph OBS. Uh yeah, well I don't see it right now, but I'm pretty sure Flatback list um OBS. Yeah, no, I I did use AP. So I installed OBS Studio with EBD and it worked out of the box and I get screen capture through pipe wire which is what uses the wheeland portal. It worked out out of the box without any issue. I'm not even using the flatback version here I think. So yeah, it should work. It of course uh who knows what happened here because there are like five different >> Yeah. Uh capture screen pipeware. You need to use this one >> solutions in here and I actually can no longer remember which one worked. Of course though, it's important to point out that every problem that we're having with Linux can also be a problem with Windows. But the fact that Microsoft is also bad doesn't mean that we shouldn't be honest about issues or like level of tinkering required with Linux. My laptop for example running Mint and a very simple use case of basically just loading a browser hasn't required any tinkering this whole time and hasn't really had any problems. my desktop running Cache OS. I've intentionally tried to like put myself in harm's way and ran into some really complex scenarios that have been fun to diagnose and work through, but there are things that are quite simple on Windows and very easy to do that are more complicated on Linux and that's okay. But trying to hide that fact. >> By the way, the opposite is also true and it drives me crazy every time I have to use a Windows laptop. And it sounds absurd, but like one time I have to use a Windows laptop and it kept going to sleep. And on Linux, I'm used to just, you know, uh, battery settings block sleep. This is probably out of frame. Oh no, my face is on it. But look at here. Battery stop sleep. And that's as easy as that. on Windows. Yeah, you have to dive into settings and everything. It drives me crazy. But yeah, that's also true. Like usually you you you get used to your operating systems and when you try to switch to something else, the things you are accustomed to making like easily using those uh features. Now they're hard to use. You just have to get used to the new easy things that you can do >> in order to recruit more Windows users to join the community. I think does more harm than good, especially when they are unfortunately fairly often met with hostility from the community when they then run into these problems and are unequipped to deal with. I think there are some obviously extremely bright lights in the Linux community that bring a lot of hope and joy and fun to the whole experience of learning Linux. But there is a lot of negative >> That's true. Stop. Please stop that. Come on. Come on. >> Communication on forums, on Reddit, elsewhere. It's very offputting for new Linux community members, which we're going to be seeing a lot more of soon, uh, to receive that type of energy. The the biggest thing that didn't work for me was just software compatibility. But with some time and effort, I did manage to find either an alternative way uh to get the Windows native version working for my admittedly somewhat basic software suite. >> I didn't I use Adobe Premiere for editing and one of the many fun ways that Adobe is kind of ass is that it just doesn't work on Linux. Now >> three great [laughter] >> I tried >> switch to something else please >> messing around with bottles a bit which allows you to run Windows software on Linux but that was >> by the way I have an interview with developers from like years ago they're very nice people >> that was >> Italian people a few of them >> obviously still a no-go which then sent me looking for alternatives Da Vinci Resolve has a Linux build though it's only officially supported on Rocky Linux of all things >> which is super weird But yeah, it's already much better a much better option. I think >> still Rocky Linux is a lot closer to Basite than Windows is. So maybe and yeah, after 2 hours of trying, I got her up and running, but not the way I thought. See, I just tried installing it like a Windows application. >> Yeah, you shouldn't do that. Go to your packet or I don't know how the Vincent Resolve works. Maybe it's not in the repositories. I'll shut up. >> Download and run. >> But Basite, as I learned, is an immutable operating system similar to Steam OS. This means, >> right, which still feels weird to me that you all pick just Bazite as a way to start your Linux journey. >> Means core operating system files and permissions are locked down in such a way that the user either can't screw them up or they can, but then they'll reset themselves after a reboot. Unfortunately, this same lockdown applies to some software installers, which then means that they can't alter the files that they need to. The >> Yeah, you need to use the package package. >> Solution was for me to beat my head against a wall [music] until I found this 6-minute video about a simple command to run. Hey, software, >> which I guess turns off the mutability. Is that what you're doing? You shouldn't do that. You should go to the package manager and install that or not use bzite if you I mean I guess you could just turn off the I shut up >> or installed. But then I ran into the same problem as Poppy Playtime depending on the file that I was trying to play or export. It wouldn't work freaking >> uh this is only a problem for the pre version of Dainci Resolve. Maybe it's another driver issue like they didn't package some drivers with a free version. I don't know. I don't use the Vinci Resolve. I use Kaden Live. >> Freaking curse you video codecs. So I then tried Caden. >> I I meant Codex, not drivers. I'm tired. >> Live, which is fine for >> Yeah, live >> for basic editing, but if I want to be a power user, it's just not quite there yet. And for stills, neither is [ __ ] You know what? I'm going to be the one to say it. [ __ ] sucks. >> Fair enough. And by the way, I'm working on a new video editing application that's also like an animation uh I just can't speak today. My god. Vector graphics application and OBS like application. So, give me a couple of months or actually years and I'm going to change the Linux word. Don't worry. With that said, I still want to emphasize the gratitude that I feel and you, Elijah, I know you feel it too, toward the open source community. Whether it's applications or drivers or Linux in general, the fact that people are stepping up against the corporate overlords who are limiting our choices, feasting on our wallets, and then spying on us for good measure is amazing, and it's admirable. >> It is. >> However, context matters. And when we're evaluating the >> Yeah, this is very funny. Monitor flickering might not be related. >> Admirable. >> I know. >> However, >> context m >> I'm really hoping that some weird shutter thing on the camera side, not just dying >> matters. And when we're evaluating the experience of switching to Linux, we're doing so from a user perspective. And so we do have to point out things that might not be ideal. try to understand that it comes from a place of love and appreciation, not from a place of >> I really feel sorry that I feel like they have to say this every time because apparently there are some Linux people that just hate on them. Don't do that >> with hate. >> They're doing a great job trying to bring more Linux knowledge to the people. Everybody involved in the Linux challenge today is rooting for Linux to succeed. And it's actually been really exciting to see so many social media posts of people who have joined the challenge alongside us even though we didn't ask anybody to. But >> do that by the way. Try out Linux for 30 days. I'm going to ask you to. >> But as exciting as all of that is, part of succeeding in this is taking off the blinders and being honest about the areas where things need to improve. And it's actually been pretty cool to see that some of our observations are already resulting in clearer documentation that's going to help pave the path for future users. >> Totally true. I'm really happy that you're doing this by the way. >> Now, I know we're releasing part two, like way past the one month point already, huh? Elijah was busy fixing our environmental chamber among other things. But we do still have more videos lined up for the series. And as you guys can see, even though we're past the month, uh there will be some surprises in the future parts. Part three is going to have us do some fun challenges. >> Okay, let's just switch to part three at this point. >> And our users range from lifelong Windows users >> to Linux. >> Every day it becomes second nature, whether that's driving, >> cooking a meal, or even riding a bike. But when you're just diving into a new hobby, >> it can be really tough to know if the issues you are experiencing are your fault or the fault of your tools, >> which is the premise of this video. Lionus, Elijah, and I are going to be completing tasks on our Linux computers. Are we the problem, >> or is there something about Linux that can make things more difficult? And our users range from lifelong Windows users >> to Linux dabblers >> to slightly longerterm Linux dabblers. >> And our tasks range from things that should be dead simple on Windows because we either know it already or because it's easy to figure out >> to ones that would require a bit of tinkering even if we were in a comfortable environment. >> I'm really worried. Last time they did this, they tried to s sign a document with Ocular and everything burst into flames. So here we go. Starting with our first task. Segue to uh to text works. Learn more. Just every app on every device. Wherever you can type, Whisper Flow works. Just speak how you normally would and Whisper Flow will do the writing and formatting for you. Learn more at the link down below. While a major focus of the Linux challenge is the gamer's perspective. A core benefit of choosing a PC over something like a game [music] console is that you can do a lot more than just game on it. And if we want to make the argument that Linux is a valid Windows replacement, non-gaming tasks need to be relatively quick, or at least painless enough that the average gamer doesn't get scared straight back into Microsop's corporate embrace. [music] With that in mind, then we had to lay out some ground rules. For instance, using a virtual machine with Windows inside of Linux to run apps is totally an okay thing to do for an average user. But is that >> what really aligned with the spirit of the Linux challenge? >> How is it okay for No, no, don't don't do that. [laughter] It's obviously out of the rules. >> You guys don't want to know how well I Windows. And besides, we're trying to avoid using Microsoft software, right? Our second rule is that we set a time limit of 15 minutes per task because like anyone else, >> I get really an anxious at this because they all feel like things that I could do in like a couple of minutes and then something bad happens in the video and everything burst into flames. >> We have other things to do today. And honestly, if it goes much longer than that, it's clear that either the hammer or the holder is the problem. add or stop a program from auto starting with the OS. That's in settings, right? Sorry for showing you my OBS, but I think I did plenty of that already. Auto start here. Voila. You've got all application. You can add a new application from the list of applications. You've got a login screen, log out scripts, and you can remove them from here. Should be super easy. No issues whatsoever, right? chat GPT. Okay, meme about it all you want, but it's been an invaluable resource. >> Fair enough. But also, okay, you're on Cosmic, so I don't know how it works over there. But also, why don't you open settings and search for auto start? Like, I feel that should be the the instinct, >> but I don't know how it works on Cosmic. So, maybe don't do that >> throughout the Linux challenge 2026. Add a startup program to Pop OS. >> I feel like that's going to give you a lot of comments. Ah, I'm scared. >> Let's go into my settings. A startup applications app. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's >> an app. Put that Among Us in there. Boom. Let's test it. Reboot our computer. >> I am the Linux users. >> Let's go. >> Okay, I found auto start. There's Discord. >> Yes, exactly. This >> says not running because I closed it, but does start up. So, I'm going to click remove entry. And now there is no user specified auto start items. >> Done. >> Uh, let's just search startup. Auto start. Oh, auto start. That's probably got something. So, I see Steam. Let's add Discord. I can double check all that. Okay. Well, now we should test it. Okay. I'm going to reboot my computer. One moment, please. Oh, I saw I saw the start up. Start it up. It's just muted. Hey, there we go. Or it was just minimized. Task one completed. >> So, that was super easy. I'm relieved. Record a video on your phone and transfer it to your PC without using cloud service. Yeah, that's I'm not going to show you to you. What? Yeah. No, I'm not. Can I? No, I'm not going to do that. But it's super easy. You just connect your phone, things pop up. Do you want to see the files? Yes, I want to see the files. Drag and drop. Or you use KD Connect, which is an awesome piece of software. Should take a couple of minutes. I do it so many times, by the way, so I'm so worried. By far the best thing about me is just how Linux pilled I am. When I get up, I eat open source for breakfast. When I go take a I [ __ ] that open source right into the toilet. >> [music] >> And then the next day I do it all over again after sleeping a restful sleep dreaming dreams of open. [laughter] >> And that's how the entire 15 minutes limit went away. >> Open source. Hire me. Lionus Sebastian. My name's literally Lionus. I actually had to do this when I was on my trip in Korea. I'm already familiar with what to do. No, I don't want to charge. I want to transfer images. I actually had a little bit more luck with that than the transferring files one. >> Mind you, that was on my laptop. >> Samsung Android internal storage DCIM. Boom. Copy and videos. Yo, >> when I go take a [ __ ] I [ __ ] that open source right into the toilet. >> Actually, I I misspoke. Uh, my body absorbs all the open source. Why is the display still flickering this badly by the way >> and gets rid of anything that was not open source waste when I go to the toilet? I'm sorry that was >> Hello. Uh I'm going to lie on my resume and see how that goes. I need a USB cable and that USB cable will honestly really help me with uh accomplishing this job. I'm going to do a really good job. Uh, I have no experience in the field that I'm applying for because all the experience that I have is like stopping Lionus from walking off clips. Internal shared storage. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Where's is it DCIM camera? >> Yes. >> I'm going to open file manager. >> Yes. >> Go to my videos area. Drag this into there. Copy here. >> It's there. And that's the video. >> Please consider me for the job. I'm very cool. I have a cat who's interrupting the shoot. Hi, buddy. He has water all over his nose. [laughter] Apple iPhone 5. Not quite, but we'll >> we'll count it if it works. >> It's detecting it as a >> because I think I think this happens when you tell the phone to act as a picture device as Linux did. I don't know if you did the same thing. In theory, you should be able to choose this choose this from from the phone, but I'm not sure. >> Camera, though. It's not like detecting it as a file. USB device removed. >> Is it an iPhone? >> I didn't touch it. I thought this one would be easy. [laughter] >> To plug an iPhone into Bazite, especially on handhelds like >> No, no, no. >> ROG Ally AI overview. You suck at >> No, don't trust it. Do not trust the AI overview from Google >> S. Where did this come from? I don't want to plug into the ROG Ally. Maybe there's a YouTube video. Someone telling me how to do this. >> Why is this? >> The first result is about how to do it to Windows. That's not what I Googled. Please. KDE connect. >> That's a great option, by the way, but it's going to take I don't know. I don't know. I feel like you could do it in less than 15 minutes and that's going to be cool. But >> okay, is that installed here? It is device synchronization. >> Yeah, you also have to install the application on >> might be an app I can download. >> Do you think that violates the spirit of >> No, it doesn't because it's uh over the local network and not uses cloud >> of like no cloud services if it's a direct peer-to-peer connection. I'll let you guys decide in the comments. >> Oh wow, I found it right away. Discover devices bad to start >> pairing. Please work. >> Oh, there we go. >> Please work >> on my iPhone. I want to send that's a picture of my passport. Editor, please don't include that. Oh, receiving file open. >> Okay. >> Hey, but it also doesn't change the fact that I wasn't able to connect with a USB just like that. >> I don't know what what's up with that. Honestly, >> it was for some reason showing up as an iPhone 5 PTP model mode. >> I I I still think that it's some settings on the iPhone side for this, but I don't have an iPhone, so I don't know. But on Android, it does ask you this, so I don't know. >> What does that even mean? >> I'm not going to >> Okay, just Okay, use live. It's going to take a few minutes. Uh less than that, actually. It's going to take a few seconds. It's so easy. Please don't screw this up. >> I'm really invested in this test. >> I I did not try to edit any video throughout any point of the challenge on any of my systems. So, I'm just going to go straight for Da Vinci. I I I'll show you. No way, Da Vinci. It's so easy. It's so easy. Just get live. Look here. Here's the application. I'm going to take a random video from my recording thing. Here's my video. You import the video. You put the video here. Give me some space. You cut. You cut and voila, it's done. And then now you can export. It's so easy. Please don't screw this up. Please. >> Vinci Resolve. Oops. No. >> Yeah, I do. >> You're going to It's going to take 15 minutes just to run. >> You know what? Let's just try this. >> Okay. Why is Kitten live not in the It is. It doesn't have an icon. Why? I'm going to cry. But honestly, OpenShot and Shortcut should both do the trick. Um, don't use Olive, Flow Blade, or PTV though. I mean, you can use them obviously, but they're like less popular and I don't trust them as much. >> I'm going to go with Flowblade. I mean, that looks like a video editing interface. >> Oh, no. >> You got to be willing to try stuff. That is definitely something that I think has changed in my attitude since the first Linux challenge is in the first Linux challenge I wanted to know the right way to do stuff and this time around I'm just like now I'm going to click on what's the worst thing that could happen you could delete your whole desktop and [laughter] the whole internet could get mad at you. >> Okay, there's my 24. Okay, >> second clip. >> By far the best. >> Wow. >> Blade delet. Okay, let's move this over. >> When I go to the toilet afterward, my body has absorbed. >> This is like the [laughter] Linux equivalent to like Manosphere garbage. Okay. File export. Movie.mpp4. Let's go, boys. When I go to the toilet afterward, my body >> Well, okay. It's not a great edit, but that's uh that's user error. The point is >> I'm going to I'm never going to [ __ ] on Flowblade again. Thank you, Flo Flow Flowblade for working >> is I exported a video >> and again give me a few months and my application is going to be on the list. >> It's not. Give me a few years. >> Audio functioning and it was that fast. You might say I was in my Flowblade state. >> The Pitive video editor is what we're >> But why is everybody not using the most known tools for I I'm not getting angry at them to be clear. I'm just very confused. >> We're trying to go with I have no idea how this thing works. Can I do it now? Oh. [snorts] [laughter] Why TV? Well, Kushios wiki software. Is that your fault? Kushios wiki software. Where is Chrome? Let me check that. I don't have Chrome. Ah, yes. Obviously, this is my um Koshi OS uh wiki software. Of course, I don't know how to write Kushios. Um uh some environments. No, [laughter] I don't think they Yeah, don't don't use PTV. Use anything else. Did you Google free and open source video editor and PTV was on the top of the list? And if so, which one? >> I'm going to try something else. Kaden live. Okay, I've heard of that before. >> Yes, >> I can probably just grab it. >> Okay, there is a list, I guess, in Holivir. Let's see if it's on the wiki. Let me check. Um, let's go. Can live PTV. Actually, let's Google. Uh, no. I don't see any PTV results. So, >> it really quick install. It's in. I have it already. >> Okay. >> Transform effect. Cool. Yeah. Where is that? >> Transform. Got it. Now I need to [clears throat] cut it again because I didn't do that technically. >> Yes. >> Okay, that was actually way easier this time because now I know how it works. >> File render. Rendering to crashed. >> Oh, [ __ ] [laughter] [snorts] Height not divisible by four. Oh, that's weird. So, it's an easy fix. You just have to change the output resolution. It's super weird. height not >> I do wonder what's up with that I really do is that some I don't what settings use for the rendering >> and before I mean unless he changed it this is using the usual software encoder it's not even harder uh accelerated changed that so I really don't understand the >> crashed height not divisible 4. Okay, there. I had to render out in a different format. Yeah, the format that I chose was not happy with something. I don't know. I'm not a video editor. [laughter] >> Yeah, I'm going to double check what's wrong with this. >> I already talked in part two about how I needed to use like Kaden Live. That's where I'm going right away. I can't open my file folder. Unknown code error one. Just trying to open my files. Okay, let me drag in the video. Uh, sure. trans. >> Yeah, because variable refle I just cannot speak. Variable refresh rate is it uh I I always uh variable frame frame come on frame rate. I I always get this wrong >> code failed to create file. Thank you very much Kaden live. I want to cut out the part where he's got water on his nose. >> [laughter] >> How does I I've never ever seen that error in kitten live. What I'm guessing is that it went to the network um share and drag and dropped the file from that network share and somehow the network share was read only and so live wasn't able to create the proxy file. That said that said you don't actually have to transcode it for it to work. So you can just ignore the error and move on and it's going to work anyway. was it makes Token look bad. Cut. And then I'll get me laughing when he leaves. Boom. >> Yeah, >> there's no ripple delete. Okay. File. >> Yes, there is. It's just a different shortcut. >> Uh, render. I'm just going to put it back on the desktop here. Hey, it's done. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's go to my desktop and let's play it back. There. I cut out the part. Task complete. Easy peasy. Save. No, I don't need to save. Reexport. No, I don't need to save. [laughter] I should have saved the file. >> Reexport that video file directly to your network share. Okay, I don't have a network share, so I cannot show it to you. Um, reex should just work out of the box unless it's read only. Right. Right guys, what's it called? Flowblade. Flowblade. As soon as I start typing SMB slash, it gets mad. This could be a challenge. Oo. SMB 4K. We're just going to try stuff. Man, I'm I know I'm on the right track here. What the [laughter] Oh no. Okay, so this is super weird to see and honestly took a couple of seconds for me to even parse what's happening. Okay, we I guess we installed the KD application for SMB. I I really don't know how it works, so please forgive me. But that's like the Kitty application, but we are not on KD Plasma. So we're in cosmic. So I I guess it it's gonna work anyway because why it should be why should it be related to the desktop but still it's weird. And then we're going to use the non-kitty video editor that's like a third party to try to render inside of it. I am very scared for all of this. It's a weird mix. >> Here's where it's going to mount to. I just have to navigate to it. What's the difference between location and IP address? blah blah blah blah blah change path render. This was the first hard one. >> Oh yes, we're good. We're so back. >> You play the video. Confirmed. >> Play the video. I can play the video. >> Oh, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no. We have not actually confirmed yet. Okay, let's navigate to it the other way. Linus pill. Uh-oh. No, it didn't actually go there. Oh, this is good. This is good. It's prompting me for my network credentials. This is good. Okay. Oh, dude, we're so back. Change path. Render. Okay, this time I got it. >> There it is. There it is. I know what happened. Basically, the interface was a little bit confusing for me for this like mount system, >> which is Kitty's mount system. So, it's our fault [laughter] somehow even though it's not using Kitty Plasma. Uh when I mounted a new thing, I thought I assumed IP address was where I needed to put like the IP address, but actually it wants me to put that in location, which is also an IP address location. Like I don't know, they seem kind of redundant to me to to me. I thought location was like a label. >> Like I could just label it whatever I want. Um because unlike on Windows where your label is going to be like like ABCD EFG, like through your drive letters, right? Um, in Linux, it's more like you've got your mount folder and then you can like put stuff there. So, I thought this would be like what I was calling it in my mount folder, but instead it just makes a name. Honestly, that's a fair assumption. I would probably make the same mistake, but also I would probably use Dolphins UI for this because I would be on Kitty Plasma and that seems to work better. >> Name for me. Users minus Linus pill on address. Sure. You know what? I'm calling that a W. I'm calling that a W. Okay. >> Well, I don't have a network drive. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> That I can actually do anything with, but um what I assume I would do is go into pseudo nano uh/etc/fs tab and like mount it in here is what I think I would do. I don't think that's in the spirit of what they're asking me to do. Come on. >> And the birds agree. >> If you remember from part two, one of the challenges that I struggled with was actually mounting my network share. And this is one of the key things, exporting files from [ __ ] or any other video editing software or just any software. I was having issues exporting it directly to my network share. I often exported it to my desktop and then dragged it over. But you know what? That feels so weird because it means it's not even a read only issue because you can just drag and drop things. I I don't know anything about network folders. >> So, what I got new .naz software recently. Maybe that'll fix it. I doubt it. I'm just huffing that copium pretty hard right now. I'm just going to save it to my root here, which will just be mechamothra. We're going to title it network export and save and then render. I think Caden live crashed. [laughter] I cannot even close it. As the industry says, I really [ __ ] this one up. Wow. It's really not happy. It's not even like letting me force kill it. I'm clearly going to have to like retry or find a new method to export it to the network share. See, this is what I was talking about in part two, though. I can like find my network share right here, but I can't mount it. I can copy the location and then I can navigate to it. But can I mount this somehow? Oh, there's a video. Oh, I should have just gone directly to the badite documentation. I don't want to format. I don't want to make a partition. >> I just realized that I put my face on top of their face. I'm sorry about that. Maybe let me move my face to like here. >> Nope. Auto mounting. So that's in like a disk manage disk location, but I don't think I can add a network share as a disc image. No, I can't. >> Is it dis? >> So this is a completely wrong video. Thank you for that. Like the average person reading this >> Yeah, you shouldn't be dealing with this, but what do I know? is gonna make their head explode, dude. Like, it's making my head explode. And I know a little bit about computers. Holy cow. My brain is starting to hurt. How much time do I have left? I have a minute. Feel like I'm I've actually done nothing. Okay, I'm just going to go for it. We're going to do this paste. It just pasted in a completely different spot. Thank you for that. I I can't even undo. Um, okay. No. Okay, listen. I know that's my timer. Give me an extra minute. Audience, you'll give me an extra minute, right? >> Of course. I'll give you all the time you need. >> I assume you said yes. Okay. >> Of course. >> Remote into your Linux PC from another computer. So, okay. There's a few apps that do that, but to be fully honest, I've never tried them. So, this might just not work. >> Windows or Linux? My ass. I can use my phone. That's a computer. Hold on. Where is this machine? I haven't actually tried to remote into this. I've remoted out of this. Seriously, when did just like the type in the ID thing go away? Why is this so complicated now? Oh my god. >> Uh, what is the team viewer? Ah, team viewer. >> 590 405. I will have changed this by the time you watch this video. Don't bother. Save. This computer's or contact is already in your list. Well, where is it? Smart guy. I have Parseek on here as well. Yeah, I did. Okay, I'm going to grab a computer. Yeah, hosting is still not supported in the Linux Parseek app or at least whatever version of it I have. Let me make it clear that nothing I'm doing right now should be considered an endorsement of Team Viewer or their nonsense business [music] practices. How has this got >> I'm so out of the loop of of about the nonsense business practices of team viewer >> gotten so bad. Yeah, this just like didn't work. Okay. All right. Any desk. Here we go. >> Any desk I've tried in the past. So that should work. I guess it worked for me. >> Display server not supported. Ubuntu. Oh, great. Does not fully support Wayand. Disable. >> Ah, yes. Wayand's gonna be a mess for this one. I don't know which apps would support that. Yeah, that's right. Oh no. Oh no. Now I'm Now I'm scared. >> Wayand in the gnome display manager to force Xorg. Okay. >> Oh no. It's going to forexorg. That can cause so many issues on its own. >> I mean, yeah, >> that's time. >> All right. >> Yeah, fair enough. Let's uh >> um error. I I don't have another computer. Error. [laughter] >> Where? >> It's on your desk right now. >> My phone. Okay. Let's just randomly install stuff that Chatbt tells me to do. Amazing. It doesn't exist. [laughter] Uh I forgot you can I'm pretty sure you can do this with like Steam. Are you read? >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Does it work for the desktop as well? [applause] >> Probably not what you're looking for, but I am technically controlling my computer from my phone. >> I mean, come on. Just use K Connect at this point. Now, one of the ways I remote control my streaming PC when I'm away is I actually use Google Chrome's built-in remote management. I wonder if that works on >> I think not >> on Linux. Ooh, it wants Debbian Linux. >> Yeah, I think you should be fine. >> Bazite is not based off Debian. I'm still going to try here. Chrome remote desktop. This was from 15 months ago, but it is it seems like an official B. >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, I think the issue is still uh yeah because you know wheeland actually has like security and so it's not going to let a random application take full control over your machine and again you have to use portals but I don't know if there's a portal that's like give me full control of this I generally don't know so I guess that's something that has to be handled by the compositor compositor for uh I I wouldn't know how to do this honestly. >> Baz, >> but it's just because I've never tried it. >> Post of some sort. You will need an RPM package and hope they have way support, which I doubt. The same comment says, "We support sunshine and moonlight. Maybe we should try that." >> I did try sunshine and moonlight, but it was the other way around. I only used it to have like to use a to have um my TV showing my screen remotely without any cable. So I don't know how it works the way >> open the terminal. >> No, actually it did work because I could like click on stuff with a TV remote >> terminal and type you just set up sunshine. That sounds like an insult. Whoever wrote that command, you just set up sunshine. [laughter] You just set up dash >> sunshine. [laughter] >> That's pretty. >> Choose enable. Enable beta. Disable service. We're going to enable. Oh, it's still setting up. I think I launched Sunshine too soon, but it's clearly doing something. It's installing a bunch of crap. So, I think while that's installing, I'm going to get Moonlight set up on my Windows computer here so I could hopefully remote into it. God, this looks so sketchy. Attention. Sunshine detected these errors during startup. We >> strongly recommend >> strongly recommend fixing them before streaming. Fatal. Couldn't bind RTSP server port. Address is already in use. Well, it says they recommend I fix it. I we Okay, let's try. That didn't work. [laughter] Wait, I know my time just ran out. [laughter] >> Oh no, >> this is my streaming mouse. But as you can see, I am successfully controlling this with surprisingly low latency. >> Yeah, by the way, Moon, what's the name again? Sunshine and Moon something. I completely blanked on the name already. They actually have very low latency. That's why I picked them to stream to my TV. >> Now I >> It's actually not sketchy at all. It works surprisingly well. >> Pretty sure that's over the network, not my local intranet. I'm pretty sure this is going out through the internet, but I am successfully remote control. >> No, I am pretty sure it doesn't go on. But okay, >> controlling this PC. I got that right on the buzzer. Holy cow. I'm counting that. I'm counting that cuz most of it was just waiting for it to download. So cool. I've never used Sunshine and Moonlight before. >> They're really cool, by the way. If you didn't know about them, I I don't know. Maybe I should do a entire video about them. >> But that was pretty easy. >> Play a game that has easy antiche or a kernel level antiche. Yeah. Uh I wouldn't I don't think I have ever played such games also feel some like something that could go very wrong especially on [sighs] like koshio and bazite. I don't know. Uh, games with easy anti-che on Linux. Elden Ring. I mean, how am I How am I even supposed to download a game in this time? >> Fair enough. >> Oh, dude, I forgot how fast my internet is. This going to be done in like 2 minutes. I got this. Boom. Play. Here we go. Okay, challenge accepted. Challenge completed. >> I am playing Elden Ring. >> Oh no. Okay, it's doing this thing. This is like if I'm ever going to have a problem with a game, this is what's going to happen, which is that I click the play button, nothing happens, and we're just we're back. Okay, so I'm going to try something, which is where >> I run Steam from the command line and then I can kind of see what's happening on Steam's end. You can really see that it's the more Linuxy of the three >> through the command line window uh because of it doing this like silent error thing that's very annoying. See how it's like doing stuff over here. So I'm going to click play. Try to see what happens. Okay, something red happened. >> Not sharing path with container. >> I think it's the drive that it's installed on. My internet's being super slow as it tries to redownload. We're only at 27%. We've been waiting here for a while. So, uh, this is clearly something you can do. I know for a fact that Arc Raiders runs I've technically ran Arc Raiders on this system before. I've just done a bunch of things since then and I didn't have a good version of it installed. Um, so maybe we'll maybe we'll update later uh with me self-capturing running Arc Raiders or something. >> Okay, so it's sort of a success actually. Come on. Sorry >> else. But this is this is something that does work. There are games that run easy anti-che or other levels of heavier anti-che that do work on Linux. Those versions of anti-che just usually don't do as much. That's how they make it work. >> This one I feel like I have an unfair advantage at. There's actually a game I play regularly that has easy antiche that I know works on Linux. We're in We are in game right now. The game has launched. No issue. And I would boot up into a game, but we are working right now. >> Format USB drive to FAT 32 and load a flashback file that your PC can read. What's a flashback file? Am I showing how ignorant I am? A flashback file. Is that like an image of the drive? I don't know. Format USB drive should be easy. Let me pick up Dolphin again. Let me plug this thing. It's not a USB, but it's a external drive. Shouldn't matter. Yeah. Um, I really wish that we had like a format button in this. Uh, I think we can just use disks, which um, yeah, get disks. I completely forgot what the kitty name of this application is. Uh [sighs] kitty discs app uh partition manager just partition. Okay, let's get it for what it's worth. Let me see if my intuition here is correct. Okay, install from Ubuntu. And in theory, I just gave away my password because apparently just by the clicking sound, you can fairly accurately tell the password of somebody. Let's see if this actually installs decently fast. Come on. Come on. Update issue. Okay, but it worked, so who cares? Okay. Yeah, this is my computer. I actually want Oh, it disconnected. Okay, let's launch the partition manager again. So, it refreshes. Now, we've got the SSD and we can uh new partition table. GPT or MS DOS. Are those the choices? Yeah, I guess you just do that and then you select another file system. Yeah, change the file system. Uh, it's going to erase all the contents and I'm not going to do that. But yeah. Okay. It shouldn't be too hard. And I guess Gnome Discs is going to do the same for the cosmic with Lenos. So hopefully hopefully that's going to be easy. You can also do that from the command line obviously and it's going to be super easy. But you've also got an application to do that to do that to do that. I also think that the there was some option to get that in the context menu as well, but I completely forgot how to do that. >> Utilities discs. >> Yeah, disc >> intuitive. Good >> format disc. Is this FAT32? >> Sorry, is this right? >> Um, >> that's not FAT32. Okay. KDE partition manager. Let's try that. >> Why? Why didn't disks work? I thought that I thought that was >> 12 FAT32. Create. Yes, I can create, move, copy. Okay. So, >> okay. >> How do I do it? This file system does not support setting a label. Well, what which one is it now? Oh, apply. Sure. Apply pending operations. Okay. What did we do? New volume group partition. New. Here we go. Fat 32. Let's go. >> Fatty 32. >> Okay. >> All right. Hey, we're back on track. So, if I go into utilities discs, it's totally there. I still can't copy anything to it, [music] though. >> But why this? Why can't you do this from discs? Uh, I'm sorry for losing all of this time, but I'm generally curious as to how disks work. So, let's install this as well. Install from wood. I have to admit that installing is the one thing that I usually never use discover for and just use the command line, but um for the sake of Yeah, I don't know. Packet fail to install. Okay. Is there an actual error in there or okay? It copied to my clipboard package failed to install which thank you. That's a lot of info but also that's false. Uh format disk partitioning. Yeah, I think that's how you do this. Is it? Uh, I really don't want to actually partition anything. I really feel like you just format disk and then you pick something that makes sense here. Do I guess and then you pick the the FAT 32 in the next dialogue. I really think this is how you do it. failed to mount it for writing. So clearly there's more that I have to do here to like make it cooperate. I No, no. I want I want 50% credit for it. If it's a FAT 32 drive that actually works. I [snorts] want 50% credit. 30% credit. I'll take 25% credit. Properties. >> Yep. File system FAT32. So, let's agree on 10% credit. >> No, let's agree on 100% credit. Okay, maybe too much. Is there any like USB I can use for this? This is crazy. I don't I literally don't have anything I can format on me just to prove a point, do I? Yeah, >> I really don't want to risk formatting my SSD. >> Oh, I I put in a flash drive that was not supposed to be in the bin that it was in. Okay, so KDE disc partition manager thing. Pretty good. I can see the flash drive right here. I'm going to right click on it. I'm going to unmount it. I'm go FAT32. I'm going to label it. Okay. and then click apply, >> which by the way is exactly what Linu did. So if this works, we know that it should work. >> Apply penning operations. I can see it's like redetecting it. Um, it just finished. It's reloading my drives. I see it here now. It's FAT32. I go in there. There's a removable drive. Here it is. >> Boom. Done. I I'm pretty sure it worked for Linux as well. >> Let's start by seeing if there's like a disk management thing here. There is I see my thumb drive. >> I see GPT and MBR. I do not see. >> Okay. >> Fat. >> This is exactly what I would have done as well if I had to use discs. >> 32 Bellina etcher. Let's do this. >> Does it work on Linux as well? >> Download Etcher. Downloading a lot today. It's one thing I've noticed. Uh um oh no yeah uh you do have an executable but you that's not how you download applications on Linux. This is beginning to stress me. You you should use the package manager. >> Uh do we have on I don't think we have Valina Hatcher on this. Yeah. Acher. Yeah. >> Uhhuh. I like how this one answer is, hey, how do I do this? I scroll far enough down it says you can do this on Windows. [laughter] But come on, there's got to be a way to do it on Gnome Discs. Format 2532 is a fast process. Thank you, AI overview. That's exactly what I was looking for. unmount. Choose format MSTOS. Yeah. Uh you Yeah, that sounds Let me go back to your video. Sorry. >> I scroll. Uh let's do this. Fat >> 32 BR. I do not >> format >> not see. Why is this? I'm confused. I am very confused. No, I don't want to actually do that. I just want to theoretically do that. I don't want to apply anything. Uh oh, that's weird enough down. Thank you. Uh Kyle Gosbow, I appreciate it. Of course, the AI overview gives me Windows results. Okay. Linux [laughter] use GP parted. I've heard of that before. Is that in the Basite store? RPM-OS tree install garted. Oh, it's doing something. Checking out >> RPM West install Garted A5408 E6. It wants me to reboot. It even tells me the command to reboot. Let's do that. System control reboot. [laughter] Okay, we got parted. Oh, >> my gosh. >> I think I did it. How do I see it? Where? Where? Where'd it go? >> Wait. So, if I like unplug this right now. Uh oh. Wait. >> Why is it pending? >> Yeah. >> So, wait. Did that not actually do that? No, it didn't. Device. >> What we learned today is that between Garted KD Partition Manager and Gnome Discs, the only intuitive one to use apparently is KD Partition Manager. Yay. >> Fat 32 add. It's pending. Okay, we shall wait again. Oh, my time. >> No, you have to apply it. >> Timer is going off. You have to apply and it's still pending. >> I'm pretty sure there's going to be an applied. Let's install Garted. Let's get to the bottom of this. Uh Garted install from Ubuntu. It's going to give me the same error. I mean I don't actually want to apply anything to be clear. Let's not mess up my very important data on the SSD. But let me understand what's going on in the Garted thing side of things. I'm going to cry. Okay. Ouch. And by the way, yes, I fully realize how bad the fact that this cover keeps telling me that things broke when they actually didn't. Is okay. So extreme SSD. I'm not seeing that. Sorry. Uh yes I have to change it here I got this. Let's suppose that I want to do some operation like resize it slightly smaller smaller. Now one operation pending and this button here is apply all operations. This freaking button. [laughter] Oh my god. You just have to press it. You just have to press it. And I will say that pending doesn't mean it's actually doing anything at the moment. It's pending. Why would you wait? You just have to press this little button that should have a label next to it to se say apply all operations instead of being a tool tip. Come on guys. Come on. No. Quit. By contrast, the KD partition manager hopefully just destroy it. Yeah. Uh X. Yeah. Let's change that. Change the file system. Yeah. I mean, come on. This is a I think a very easy win for Kitty. Not a a win that I was looking for, but I'll take it. >> Did I do something wrong? Like why? Why? What? >> You should have pressed the button. The button. >> What is taking it so long to >> Oh. Oh, [ __ ] I just noticed this. Of course, he didn't press the button. There's no button. No. Okay. So, this is a theming issue. U Garted. Oops. Sorry. Garted is not a um a KD application. Obviously, uh it's probably a GTK application. It might even be like a older version of GTK. And depending on your JDK theming, if you've got a incorrect theme, and apparently Basite does, uh, [sighs] icons that are supposed to be black are white. Actually, I'm pretty sure I can reproduce that by just switching to the dark theme. Let me try that colors. Yeah, let's switch to B dark like this. And then let's open uh Garted again. Yes. Okay. Yeah, see everything is dark and the applica the the icons are invisible and that's a mess. Oh my god. [sighs] >> To finish like did I not hit save? >> Yes, but you didn't hit save because it's [ __ ] transparent. Even having text would have fixed that. I don't It's not telling me like what it's doing. >> And weirdly enough, it's a themeing issue. This is This is annoying me so much. >> So, I don't know if I did something wrong cuz if I hit close right now, it's like, "Oh, those are still pending." >> It should give you an option to apply, by the way. I think maybe not. >> I just tried to Well, I clearly couldn't do it. I got Garted installed. >> Yeah, but with a wrong theme. By the way, why didn't use Kitty partition manager given that you're on Kitty? >> What do you guys think? Is that a >> What did you try before? Garted. So, you tried banana. >> There is. >> Okay. So, you're on KD. K has a partition manager that does exactly that. And before trying that, you tried gnome discs, banana chair, [laughter] and freaking garted. Oh my god. >> I'm not blaming blaming him to be clear. The theming stuff is on us, I guess, or on like the whole JDK thing, which is ah my mind explodes. [laughter] >> Oh man. I mean, I should get to the point though. I should probably segue at some point. to our sponsor. >> Okay, so I guess we're going to get to the last part. How many hours of recording am I doing? 1 hour and 23 minutes. We can do this. We're on to this journey together. >> Elijah, Luke, and I have been daily driving some flavor of Linux. We showed you what we chose to install. >> We talked through some of the roadblocks that we hit. >> We even attempted challenges with uh varying degrees of success. But now it's time for our final verdicts. Who will stay on Linux and who will go crawling back to Microsoft like a baby? >> That's a joke. Of course, these are just our personal experiences and your year of the Linux desktop might come sooner or later than ours. There's no shame in either. >> But one thing that we can say for certain is that the year is closer today than it was the last time these two did the challenge. So true. It feels like Linux has been moving forward at the same speed that Windows has been moving backward, which is true. >> I mean, both are pretty impressive. >> All three of us, spoiler alert, seriously considered staying on Linux rather than returning to that sinking ship. Just like we considered which of us would who care about important things like freedom, privacy, and owning their own stuff. Uh, we did a whole video discussing how the legitimate threat that Linux now presents is finally forcing Microsoft to wake up and do something, take action. And this is just proof once again that competition is good for absolutely everyone and everything. So, with that in mind, then let's kick off with the highlights from the first month. For me, the first one has got to be speed. Maybe it's just general bloat. Maybe it's because everything doesn't have to check in with co-pilot when I do literally anything. >> Yeah, Linux is pretty fast. But Basite just felt snappier than Windows and quick application launch time made my system feel honestly brand new every single time I used it. I also did love how supportive the community was overall. I lurked in the Discord a decent amount and if you ignore the couple times that they on me before this challenge, the community seemed really keen on helping get new users the best Basite experience possible. Saying that, there were some other things. >> Nope, >> we're only doing positive right now. >> Positive things only. >> I think the biggest eye openeners for me happened every time I was back on Windows for some reason. Like when I jumped on the >> I love that on a 28 minutes video, the positives last 9 minutes and then there's the negatives. Oh no. >> L show laptop for instance. I go to sit down and boom. Do you want to use Edge? Do you like Xbox gaming? WOULD YOU LIKE A ONE DRIVE SUBSCRIPTION? NO. JUST LIKE THE LAST time you were all UP IN MY GRILL asking me about it. It drives me freaking crazy. Like if Microsoft was a guy at college, he would be the kind of guy that the bartender would type up a thing and then show it to the girl sitting next to him. [laughter] He doesn't take no for an answer. Yeah, on KD Plasma we show you you exactly one piece of advertisement which is not actual advertisement and it's one small notification once a year every year once a year to just say hey if you like plasma you can make a donation and that's it and you can say I don't want to see this ever again or you can make a donation and that's it that's the whole thing >> and I just found >> or yes remember my login [laughter] just >> he just doesn't listen. >> I just found that over the course of my month with Linux, my trust in it grew. [music] And by comparison, my trust in Windows is just shattered. At this point, >> I think the main thing that I was surprised by was actually game compatibility cuz last time this was a pretty big issue. And for most of this challenge, you know, we I started with every time before I was going to launch a game, I loaded up a browser, checked Proton DB. What are people doing to make it work? >> Didn't believe Proton DB. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then within honestly not that much time, I stopped checking. I stopped even checking force compatibility and I just started pressing play and almost everything just worked. >> It's like roulette, but five of the six chambers are full. >> Yeah. Yeah. It would almost always work. The problems were, I guess. No, no, we're only doing positive. >> Yes, we are. >> So, I'll stick with that. >> So, what we can do is go to lmg.gg/flowplane where some of the free flowing discussion might end up on the cutting room floor, but I've got a few more things that are positive. I did a trip to Sony where I was checking out a new TV and I realized, oh no, I can't use their display source because it's got copyrighted films on it. >> Sure. >> So, I needed something to output to it. And I was like, well, I have HDR footage, but do I have an HDR capable device? and I went, "Oh gosh, it's my Linux laptop." Kubuntu handled it like a champ. Absolutely zero BS. Honestly, it was a better experience than Windows. >> Wow. Props to the Kwin developers. I guess it's Kwin because it's Kubuntu or maybe it's Cosmic. I don't know. The laptop I think he said it's Kubuntu for doing all of the HDR work. No, not all of for doing all of the HDR work that they've been doing. That's so cool. Wow, I was floored. For me with Basite, I actually found a lot of positives came from external launchers, which was honestly really surprising because obviously Proton is very tied with Steam, at least online, in terms of the narrative behind it. But there was times where I was able to get the Xbox launcher working and I even managed to boot brand new Forza Horizon 6 on it. >> Interesting. >> Because I didn't, [laughter] >> but we're not talking about that right now. >> No negatives. >> This is this is a positive. All right. All right. All right. I think I think Yeah. My the the other bit of positive is that it's it's just more fun. Like the problems that I'd run into on Windows for the last honestly years, like not a short period of time, has almost always just been really annoying. >> I felt like they're problems by design. Whereas on Linux, I feel like they're problems by >> We didn't get to that yet. >> Your your HDR thing is so polished because some >> That's That's fair though. We didn't get to to that yet. I I really like that that way of putting it. some person out there was just annoyed about HDR and made it awesome and just maybe someone hasn't been annoyed enough about the problem that you're dealing with right now. >> No, I I think the HDR thing is because uh Valve is putting a lot of money into it because they want HDR to work on their Steam machines. I think that gave a big help, but I might be wrong here. >> No. So, it hasn't been made completely awesome yet, but you can probably fix it yourself. >> Yeah. Shifting gears a little bit. As someone who has set up a lot of computers, the whole going through and getting the drivers rigma roll bothers me more than it probably should. [music] And on Linux, it just isn't a thing. If you've got a recent kernel, it just every my Wi-Fi, my Bluetooth, all of my crap mostly just works. And it blows me away that in the year of our Lord 2026, Microsoft can't have a similar experience with Windows Update. >> Windows Update was actually like I don't kind of fascinating like going from updating Mint and Cachi to updating my Windows machine felt like I went back a decade. Yeah, it it was not only are you not getting those driver updates, but it's also not updating just all the software on your computer. >> In fairness to Windows, Chocolatey, Windget these things do exist and the Microsoft Store does >> I don't feel like that's really a good alternative to what Linux is doing, which is very cool. >> Does exist. it just doesn't feel like part of the native experience >> and the parts that do like the Windows store feel crammed down my throat and like they come with downsides >> and like you're best off to try to avoid it. >> And I mean speaking of that, I actually enjoyed using the built-in like basite store cuz it worked very well. There was no other ads shoved in my face. Nine times out of 10, I could probably find what I wanted. You don't need to log in with your 2FA and then like randomly you have to log in again in the Minecraft launcher app that you downloaded from the Windows [snorts] Store with the same credentials. Why? >> Yeah, it >> Yeah. Yeah. Was >> just inherited. >> It was awesome to actually use a store that I kind of liked. >> Honestly, just the the the experience of getting software in general on Linux feels pretty good. Like updating with Pac-Man and you have the little animation of it like eating little bits as it goes along. I had never seen that. That's so cute. I didn't know it was a thing. But yeah, getting software on Linux is miles ahead compared to Windows. I truly believe that. >> It just like feels good. And then going to update Windows after only like a week not only took forever, but it's not entirely clear like what's even going on. Things will sit at 99% for 10 minutes. And it's so rewarding when you go to update. Uh I I have this experience with Cashi all the time where it'll be like this big system update and it finishes and it's like net size change minus whatever like it just got smaller. Like what are you kidding me? >> And even when things don't work okay this might be a bit of a controversial take but I was blown away by how quickly I could solve things with an LLM. Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Compared to like trollling endless you know ancient forum posts because that's the thing about Linux double-edged sword is it's moving really >> maybe the year of the Linux desktop will come thanks to Lens that would be quite a surprise >> really fast which is great for it like getting better all the time but not great for the archive of information that's out there on the internet with something can be from 6 months ago and be completely irrelevant today. I I also found that I I tried to I did a bunch of LLM usage with trying to learn how to use Linux. Um but I tried to use it as an educational tool instead of like an autocomplete but FS tab. I was messing around in there. U but instead of just like I I would ask it like what should I put here? And it would tell me but then I'd be like okay well there's [music] like two random numbers at the end. What are those? What does that mean? I'm like what what is this? It says no fail. What is it? What is it not? >> I think it's a really really fair usage of LLMs. failing. Why would I want it to fail? >> I mean, speaking of fail, it's funny you brought up LLM because of how much people made fun of you in part one for using it to decide [music] your DRO. I was so scared of that kind of reception that I cautiously was like, I'm not using an LLM to solve my issues. >> I broke that after like 2 weeks. >> Yeah. >> Because I tried what you said. I went through like old forum posts, old Reddit posts or whatever. And hey, six out of 10 probably worked fine. >> Yeah. >> But those four out of 10 that didn't drove me nuts. So, >> I also ran into the LLM just like gaslighting the heck out of me. >> Of course, happens, but you have to be aware of that as well. >> Now, we do have to move on. And I get it. Criticizing Linux feels a little bit like walking outside on a crisp autumn day to discover that some kind neighbor has raked all the leaves in your yard. then tracking down that neighbor and explaining to them that you would have done it differently. [laughter] However, we do have some ongoing sources of friction with Linux even a month into our switch. Why don't we start with Luke? >> Yeah, I I've had some issues with my like pressing my middle mouse button. >> Yeah, >> which you might not think you use that often. I like scrolling that way on really long web pages. >> I'm a middle mouse die hard. I love it. I don't know how many people are, but I am as well. And that just wasn't working anywhere. I figured out that that's a settings toggle that you can do in browsers. So, I was able to solve that. But like in in Balders's Gate, the way that you turn the screen is you press in your scroll wheel and then rotate the screen. >> Well, one of the ways you turn the screen. >> Um, but I I just rebound that the the middle mouse version to a single key because it just wasn't working at all. And I end up looking into this and it is a thing with Linux where drag select copies whatever you select and then pressing in the middle mouse wheel past it and it's just like okay but I don't want that. Then I tried to look up some resources online and then just figured out that okay I can just change the settings in the browsers. That's 95% of what I need to change here. >> Another annoying thing that I had is I didn't get Forza 6 working. There's kind of an issue here that I don't run into when I'm troubleshooting things on Windows, which is I couldn't tell if this error was because I was running Linux or if this error was just an error with the game. >> That's a really good point. Whenever you're doing something unsupported, and let's face it, Proton, even though it's super cool and magical, is effectively from the game developer standpoint an unsupported use case. >> You have no way of knowing, is this just me? Is this my weird flavor of Linux? Is this the game? Is it? >> Especially if Proton hides the error messages from the user, which it kind of shouldn't do, but we've seen that happen in this video in the previous video. So, >> my hardware. I mean, speaking of things that don't just work sometimes for me, it was search and search on Bazite was surprisingly terrible. >> This is not the direction I was expecting this conversation to go. To be very [clears throat] clear, Windows Search absolute ass as well. In fact, probably worse than Basite. >> Okay, >> but the problem is that Basite/ Linux, I believe this is probably under the whole roof, they sometimes make things different just for the fact of being different from Windows. >> I do get that sometimes. >> And so when I would type the word sleep to adjust my sleep settings and because I type sleep enter, my computer would go to sleep. I mean that's fair [laughter] like yeah of course the first option is going to be sleep if you type sleep but if you do want to go into you know power management and screen locking they're just down there and if you click on them uh their importance is going to be erased so it's going to go to the top but honestly how is that not a feature like I I often like just click reboot to reboot that's so >> that is a habit I still have not broken. It's a >> And by the way, you can disable that. I'm pretty sure. Uh here. Uh nope, not here. Sorry. Uh here. Kinder settings. Configure enabled plugins. And um I think it's this one. Let's try sleep. Yeah, it's gone. That That was it. You can configure it. I I really think that it's a nice thing to have. And if you don't like it here, configured enabled search plugins, you can very easily disable it. So I don't think it's that big of a negative point. And by the way, I think this is important. Uh K has a special special search, Baloo, which has a bad name because it takes a bit of resources, but it shouldn't have a bad name because it's actually super cool and is able to do advanced searches with tax and within the contents of files. It's super cool. So I'm really sad to see search being brought forward as a negative point. I really think that's a strong point actually of Linux and Kitty plasma. >> It's such a minor thing, but it paints the bigger picture that I'm talking about. The hard thing about >> Yeah, but you can just disable that. I I don't think it's and actually it's so cool that you can enable and disable every single thing in your search bar and you can even uh see you can do you can change the importance like see some are uh favorite plugins such as power and you can just unfet the favorite ones you can change the order they're going to be displayed at. So this is so cool, right? And it it's not particularly hidden away like it's the search box next to the search box settings and then configure search plugins like yeah I guess like you kind of have to know that you can do this but it's not that hard to discover it I think and it's such a cool thing to >> about a lot of these frustrations is they could be like >> it's not being different for the sake of being different that got to me that got to me. It's not being different for the sake of being different. It's actually cool to be able to do a lot of things on the on the search bar. You can even like do this if you somehow want ah sorry sign to pi like look how cool is that and you can do very advanced mathematics here. Integrate uh x. Yeah, come on. That's cool, isn't it? And of course, you can disable it if you don't want it. You can even plot things sometime. Whoops, sorry. Plot X. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't [laughter] habit based or based on just sort of the logic of operating systems that you're used to like your middle mouse expected behavior. >> And I I don't know how to solve that, right? Because on the one hand, you don't want all Linux distros to just be Windows clones. Like that's the whole point. That's what we're trying to get away from. But on the other hand, if they're too different, it's hard for you to confidently look at someone in your life who uses Windows or Mac OS and go, "Yes, I recommend this Linux." Fully acknowledging that I'm going to be the tech support for it when you run into problems with it. which I guess is part of why so many different dros do need to exist even if that itself may continue to be a pain point for Linux and for me in particular. Enter any Linux distribution conversation and you will find at least half a dozen people who are confidently declaring that their one dro to rule them all would have solved all your problems and it'll be half a dozen different dros. So clearly right like whether I'm expecting a Windows clone or whether I'm expecting something totally different not all of them can be correct and that's something that I find difficult anytime I encounter like a hyper passionate community. The Linux user base I think if I had to summarize it is weird because [laughter] collectively the community is actually really great. >> Yeah. And individually they're really great >> usually, >> but it's like the little clicks, the little tribes. >> What is this? The kitty ocean federal. That's pretty funny. Oh, it's from the dome >> that form and then things get kind of toxic. But even that, I feel like it comes from a good place. Like my goal of choosing a single dro for all of my machines. What? >> I really hope that I haven't been like negative in this video for I I actually think it's a super cool thing that they're doing this. To be clear, I really don't want to be negative, but of course, I'm also making a video, so I have to like say things. >> Well, it's probably a mistake. And the people berating me for not choosing their better DRO, the only reason they were going at me was because they wanted me to have a good Linux experience. >> Not the right way to be welcoming. >> [laughter] >> I have one last gripe display capture in Wayand. I I wish it could be simpler. I also Oh, I ran into pairing issues with my Xbox controllers. >> Display capture. I >> I really don't get the the capturing thing in Wayland because I I swear to God on all of my machines, it always worked out of the box. I really I really wonder what's what's up with that really. It's just add um screen capture and that always worked to me. I don't know what's up with that. >> Capture in general is a little bit clunky on the Linux side. I was like a little bit surprised you didn't do your streaming setup originally. That was probably the right call. >> Yeah. I wasn't going to go like 2 months without streaming. >> Yeah. Well, no. I like I've been streaming and it's been fine, but I have to kind of reconfigure things. Like I I'll open up OBS and every single one of my desktop capture sources will reload and be like, "What do you actually want to capture?" It doesn't remember. >> Yes. That's very fre that's very fear criticism and that's always because of portals again uh wheel doesn't want application to record things without your knowledge. So when you start the application the application asks hey can I record the screen and you know will it's not will but it's the compositor asks you hey do you want to allow the application to record your screen and if so what do you want to share with them and you might want to share uh the screen part of the screen a certain display a certain application you have all of these options that are meant for your security uh but but it is true that this doesn't uh get remembered uh between application launches. So every time you open OBS, I would show you, but I'm recording. You have to retell it. Yes, I I do want to share this particular application or this particular display. So that's annoying. That's completely true. I do believe that it's going to get fixed relatively soon. I've seen some work on that. But uh fair enough. I'll take that >> from last time. There might be a way to solve that. it. >> Not that I know of. >> Doesn't take me that much time to reconfigure it. But when I was back on Windows, I open OBS and I click start stream. It's just >> Yes, but that's because Windows security sucks. I'm pretty sure that that's the I'm pretty sure applications can just record the screen on Windows. They there's no security systems there. I don't know. I might be completely off. I don't use Windows. >> It's just a little bit smoother. But it only takes me 30 seconds to fix it. It's not the end of the world. But that also lies in that area where it only takes me 30 seconds to fix it. So I'm not going to spend the half an hour that could make it so I never have to spend the 30 seconds again because that's probably possible. Um >> yeah, I'd say the like 30 to 120 seconds is the danger zone for problems. >> The I will never fix it time frame. >> Although this is completely true. I have multiple 60 seconds problems that I never want to actually fix because it's just a few seconds such as when my I reboot my computer since I'm using particularly unsupported software. This is a Microsoft Surface laptop with Linux and sometimes I I boot and the touchpad doesn't work and I just have to reboot and it's going to work. And I guess I could fix it. I don't know how u but you know I just have to reboot. Takes a few seconds. I don't care. Yeah, just do this forever. >> On the subject of unfixable things, there was one final gripe for you, I believe. >> Yeah, it was some software. The Proton compatibility layer has made incredible progress. Even actually during our last couple of months, it's improved a lot, but it can't do anything about developers who block their games on Linux. And there was one gaming experience that was really negative on Linux, [music] but only partially because the game itself didn't work. You see, I was really excited to play Marathon. >> Wait, shush. Shush. I was excited. Okay, I don't care what you think. Deal with it. >> I don't even care. >> I was going to say there's no way he's played it. >> Yeah, I don't. >> I don't know what Marathon is. You You might have guessed I'm not exactly a big games player. I play like Life is Strange and Outer Wilds. >> No way. Anyways, we started this challenge literally 2 days before Marathon came out. And of [music] course, it has colonel level anti-che that does not work on Basite. >> And I was really, really bummed out. And I kind of just ended up venting about it online. And I was shocked at the number of people who responded with levels of copium that can only be, >> "Oh, come on, guys. And girls and them, don't do this. he described as delusional or who directly messaged me telling me to stop hamming up this drama so that way I could make Linux look bad. >> Yeah, >> come on. This is very unnecessary and mean and very untrue. It's fair that somebody who just wants to play a game and it's sad that they can't. Like, come on. >> Why do you hate Linux, Elijah? >> It's all my fault >> and hot dogs. >> I love hamburgers. And it's a big problem because most people will not switch to Linux unless those games are working. And devs aren't going to prioritize the Linux development >> unless this Steam Tech becomes really famous and a lot of people buy it. Come on. >> You know, if people don't switch over. I don't know the solution for this, but I do. >> It's the Steam Deck and the Steam Machine. Like that's the solution. And I guess Steam OS being able to be installed on other machines, but mostly it's a Steam Deck and the Steam machine. And slowly we'll get there, I think. >> I do know that staying quiet and pretending it's not a problem isn't the solution. >> Yeah, you just shouldn't want to play that game. >> No, I'm going to get loud because I'm going to put pressure on developers. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the good news is that more games work than don't on Linux. And I know both myself and Elijah have been trying more games because of that. Like sometimes I'll be like >> I guess I'm really lucky that I never had that one game that I wanted to play and just couldn't. It never happened to me. Thanks, Scott. >> Be like, "Oh, does that work?" And it's kind of exciting to even launch it. Uh there there's so much to explore both in the ecosystem itself and in the games and >> it can be really fun like in a way I do see where people were coming from on the marathon thing. Sorry, [music] I I do. They just came at the person instead of talking through the issue. [laughter] >> That's fun. >> You are not crazy. If you want to play the third part of the Final Fantasy 7 remake [music] on the PlayStation 5, that's not crazy. You're not crazy if you want to play Marathon on a Windows machine. But it's also not crazy to see Linux as a platform separate from those things that [music] supports these games. And framing everything in terms of what it doesn't support, I can see how people would find that kind of toxic. And I can see how you being blamed for a game you want to play, you might find that pretty toxic. >> Yeah, I'm I'm going to both sides this one. This this is honestly what largely pushed me more and more towards LLMs throughout the process [music] is that I would be having >> No, but seriously, >> Damn, that's the absolute truth bomb here. >> I'm being completely honest. >> I talk to LLM cuz people are worse. >> Meta is so happy. [laughter] >> Uh, okay. So, the the reason why was because I would be having fun with my experience. I would be messing around with things, enjoying toying with Linux. There was genuinely times where I would sit down at my computer fresh, excited to tackle something that I ran into the previous day because it reminds me of old school computing where you tinker with your system and you work on things and I like that. I've been missing that for a very long time and I'd be messing around. >> By the way, I probably should move my head back down. Sorry about that. Yeah, let's do it all without cuts because you want to see the behind the scenes as well, don't you? And then I'd go, "Oh, okay. I need to look up something." And I'd end up on some Reddit thread and it's just 400 comments of people going at each other's throats. And I'm [laughter] just like, "What? Sorry. I was having a good time. I don't what what is happening here?" A lot of the information on the internet right now is centralized on Discord, which is practically uncarchable, or Reddit, which is, >> I think, inherently flawed, >> a rough place to go. So, like if I couldn't find something in in a select kind of few different places, level one text form is a fantastic option there. If I could find something there, I would read it. I would go through there. That was a good experience. But if if if I searched something and it was like seven Reddit threads in a row is all that came up, I would just be like, "Okay." And I would go over to an LLM and just try to figure it out. >> Uh, one of the things I really miss from Windows is Windows Hello. Um, just easy, quick to set up biometric authentication. totally fair. There is a Linux alternative. I don't know if it's going to mention it. Um, Howdy, it's called kind of works. I I did have it set up. You can do both login and like pseudo out authentication. But, uh, yeah, I did try it again recently because this computer is supposed to have to win is supposed to have a Windows Hello and honestly it does not work very well out of the box. So, I didn't even keep it, which is sad. But yeah, fair enough. It would be a really cool, I think, for some distribution, especially uh companies that ship hardware with their own distribution to have Windows Hello out of the box for devices that support it. That would be cool. There are a few Linux computer with IR sensors. That would be the ideal target, but there is still some work to do. Uh it has it has gotten better recently for like login and stuff, but yeah. >> And this guy right here, shout out. This guy is a classic example of the kind of top >> I hate that. I I use Linux and I also absolutely hate that. Yeah, [laughter and panting] but to be fair, negative karma. So apparently other people didn't like that either. And yeah, people will seem to to realize >> toxic non-answer that is going to end people's personal Linux challenges. I do want facial login because I like the convenience. This >> same by the way, >> this is not your choice. This is my choice. I found that attitude as well sometimes with people telling me I don't want to do certain things or I should have these as solutions instead. For example, when I complained about not playing PUBG in part one, do you know how many people commented saying, "Hey, use GeForce Now." And I'm like, >> "Dude, I'm trying to get away from Microsoft, whether it's because of the adinfested hell hole that it's become >> or subscription-based services, and you turn around and tell me to use a subscription based service." >> Like, excuse >> I am very stupid and I don't know what uh GeForce Now is. >> Excuse me. Hey, I meant to check in with you. Yeah, >> my non-native Teams app actually worked really well for me the whole month until the very end when I ended up in like a login authentication loop that I couldn't get out of. And that happened to be when I was like reformatting to Windows anyway. But I was wondering how did yours end up working? >> Mine ended up improving pretty significantly over the course of the challenge. So we had like opposite arcs. >> Um most my issues with it I think really are just >> teams. I mean, just just don't use Microsoft Teams. Switch to something else. I'm kidding. This is a joke. I mean, don't if you can. I hate Microsoft Teams, but I I was joking. >> All right, this brings us to the big moment. >> Yeah. >> One at a time, starting with Eli. Who is staying on Linux? >> I kind of feel like nobody's going to stay on Linux. If anyone is it might be loose, but I don't think so. >> I am, but not on Basite. >> I'm actually going to be swapping over to Cashios. >> I don't get the choice, but I'll take it. >> Immutable operating system ended up coming back to bite me in the butt a little >> in the later half. >> Saying that, I am going to be dual booting. >> I'm going to be trying. >> That's completely fine. And I think that we should more uh often tell people to dual boot with Windows to just try out Linux and you know instead of just throwing them on Linux and you know expecting it to work out of the box. With dual boot you get some time to you know try things out without the anxiety of did I just lose all of my Windows stuff? trying to make cashy my primary, but as someone who wants to stream the latest and greatest games, I can't have it be an issue and a block to not >> completely fair >> be able to play Marathon. Windows is going to be a dedicated basically just Steam launcher [laughter] so that way I can play some games that don't work on Linux. >> Well, you do some video editing as well, right? >> I do. That would be another thing. Um, yeah, I had issues with video editing in part one and part two. I just ended up paying video editors. [laughter] >> Okay, that's pretty funny. I I I would love like okay is not going to watch my video. But if you are watching my video out of chance, I would actually love to know why Kitting Live isn't doing the trick for you. Uh because I have actually edited like short films and uh actual professional videos for work as well with Kid Life and I'm very happy that it exists. it has some significant limitations that I'm aware of and I'm trying to you know improve on them with the application that I said I'm building. So any feedback on that would be very much welcome and I'll take this time to also say that yes I'm still working on the application even though my last update video from was from a month ago. I just had some it's just taking time because obviously but I I I now have like rendering and recording the anything working so that's cool and very soon you're also going to get audio. Whoa. [laughter] >> So wait, you weren't willing to subscribe to GeForce now, but you would hire a person as a workaround. >> Yeah, completely fair by the way. Hey, I gave someone a job. >> One uh last remaining question. You said you're having fun. Is that the primary reason you're switching is because it's been more fun? >> No. The primary reason I am staying mainly on Linux is because Microsoft. >> Yes. [ __ ] Microsoft. >> When I I I have been actually only on Windows for the last two months because I didn't want to kind of give away that this is what I was going to do. My time on Windows has been really frustrating. There's been a lot of moments like Lionus pointed out where I'd turn the computer on and it would bring me through three or four prompts and I'm just like >> all full of dark patterns. Like >> I I don't care about being edged for Microsoft Edge. Like stop it. >> Like let me just play my video games please. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm I'm staying and I'm staying on both systems. >> Uh so I switched my laptop over for this challenge to Mint. uh that has >> so I guess that exactly the opposite of what I was thinking is going to happen i.e. Linux is going to be the only one back on Windows >> has honestly been like the >> beat seriously >> biggest W there has been zero loss I have had zero drawback to Windows I think it is only better um I and but a lot of that comes down to the use case is so simple >> I'm I'm just sitting in a browser every once in a while I need to sign a PDF every once in a while I need to open a document both those things I can easily do [music] other than that I'm sitting in a browser every once in a while I'll be like on on a plane and I want to play Slay the Spire, no problem. It can do all that kind of stuff. I've literally never ran into an issue. But anytime I'm using another laptop on Windows, I'm like, "Oh, I just wish I was using my machine." So, that's like a clear W. And I don't honestly think right now that I'm like ever going back. Um, on the desktop, >> it's a bit of a mixed bag, more similar to yours. So, I have divided my machine my machine kind of in half at this point. So, I have >> I think actually we're going to do a video on his kind of unique dual boot setup. So, uh make sure you get subscribed. >> I was given a 1 TB for this challenge, which is actually running the DRO. >> You know, you're supposed to give that back. >> Yeah, >> that's staying in there forever. >> To be fair, to be fair, I was the same thing. >> Yes. Thanks, [laughter] Lion. >> This is the payment for us having to do this for the last month. >> As for me, I was very surprised to discover that I can I could. Linux is ready and I think soon I will be too. I ran into so many moments throughout the last over a month. I mean, I didn't even bother removing my Linux installs after 30 days. I was pleasantly surprised so many times by how well something worked. But the compatibility barrier is still a tough one. If you're willing to be a Linux gamer, it's easier than it's ever been. There is so much to play that works either perfectly or well enough on Linux that if you start with here's the platform that I have. I want something to do. It's easy. It's a very consolelike experience. And I actually mean that in a really positive way. However, I don't buy many consoles and I do almost none of my gaming on the ones that I do. And if you want the broadest compatibility and you don't want to think about it at all, Windows is still the king. Especially if there's a social element to your gaming and if your group happens to want to play something that isn't Linux build >> like Marathon. Another aspect of this and >> this is by the way especially one occasion where I would say have you thought about dual booting because completely fair and by the way you can like very easily have a single uh like drive for files for both Windows and Linux so that you don't even have to transfer files between the operating systems. You can just boot into the systems that you need and do your work and files are going to be the same. So maybe that could be a way to start getting into the waters of Linux. >> And the reason that I actually did just switch my system is because as a reviewer, the vast majority of the stuff that I need to do is Windows Native. And so if I have a new Logitech Super Strike X2 mouse or something [music] and I'm supposed to be using it and evaluating it and what I'm just going to give the only the Linux perspective and hope that the you know third >> yes obviously no just >> third party app that [music] maybe will interface with this brand new hardware is no come on >> be real I need to be on Windows I need to install the native app so that I can evaluate this hardware and that happens a lot for me. With everything I just said out of the way though, I'm not ready to go back to vanilla Windows either. >> It has been so refreshing to not be bothered a single time over the last couple of months that I happily extended my time without even thinking about it. And >> it has been over 3 months now and Linu is still running Popo S at home. >> I think that my happy place is going to be to try and find the middle ground. I want to hang out in the Windows debloating community for a bit. Then if I can't make that work, I might distro hop for a few months and settle on Linux. I sincerely hope that by that time Valve is ready with an Nvidia capable Steam OS because I am like super steam OS pled still. I did end up with that in my home theater room and it just like it's the most consolelike of all of the gaming experiences on PC and it's just pretty freaking [music] cool. Oh. Oh, and now here's a cool. >> I mean, this is as good as it gets for us Linux folks out of these videos. Like, it convinced two out of three people. And the third is like, yeah, I have to go back to Windows due to very valid work reasons, but also I want to deblo it and if it doesn't work, then I'm going to switch to Linux and also I'm going to keep using Linux at home. Like, that's as good as it gets. I'm very, very happy to hear this. segue >> to our sponsor. >> And I guess this is it. Is there anything else in the outro? Let's >> If you guys enjoyed this video, maybe go watch through the whole playlist. Um, this one and then also the first time we did it if you want to see just how >> Yeah, I think they they've done like six videos on this topic and I've done two hour videos. Nice. Am I going to edit this? probably not because I don't have time. But yeah, uh I think that was really cool. Thanks everybody for following along and I will say a couple of things on this channel and I'm currently working on a few videos that vlogging my progress on the video editor and everything else plasma studio as I mentioned. So that's still in the works. I'm also soon going to announce a very cool project uh that's going to also take a lot of time and that has already started. So stay tuned for that. And generally speaking, if you're interested in Linux and free software and you don't know who I am, uh why are you two hours into this? Thank you. And I just try to do cool Linux things. 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