Justin Waller on Andrew Tate, Masculinity, and Becoming The 1%

it takes a lot of confidence for me to come on the internet and say some of the things I say knowing the amount of hate I'm gonna get for you I feel sixth grade bro you failed six I didn't feel so great just how do you maintain a six-pack year round I'm gonna win I'm gonna get up I'll go to work and do the same thing I did yesterday the best day of a man's life is the day he realizes that nobody's come to save him can I just say something I'm so sorry I don't mean to cut you off yeah yeah that doesn't make you a man sleeping with a bunch of women doesn't make you a man what makes you a man is that you [Music] a lot of people they know you from I feel like the association with Andrew Tate a lot of your Clips they go viral a lot of people have kind of grouped you into that red pill Community yeah but I've also heard you on some other podcasts like I saw you on Tom Billy used podcast and then a few other podcasts I've listened to and you're very articulate and you're not the way that I feel like a lot of people picture you to be I've said things that I wish I could see differently you understand what I'm saying particularly to women on panel shows I think I misrepresented where my heart is you understand what I'm saying I don't hate women and I don't think women are trash and I do believe the things that I say however I don't think I've had an opportunity to be put on a platform where I could show who I am particularly where my heart is the platforms that you do go on especially those panels there's a little more aggressive you know it is I feel like there are certain incentives it's very incentivized to do that yes right and listen man I'm not I'm not a perfect person you know I think I think that in the very beginning I was probably in a place where I might have said some things because of that setup now those shows I do believe are very important and those men that run those shows I love very much and I'll always be loyal to them and even on the last you know I went on a panel Show recently and it was very good friends of mine that I love very much I'll be very clear about this yeah who was it it was uh fresh and fit and in the comments they were coming after me because I was being so quiet and I'm just at a place after this first couple of years it's like I just don't feel good about embarrassing a girl you know what I mean for me it's it's just how I feel about it you know I think what they do is very important though I think that they shine a light on the apps like how do I say this correctly because these are these are my friends man and I love these guys yeah sure they shine a light on female nature that I think and the normal man would not see or understand at the extreme and I think why they're so beneficial is because the normal man is so soft that when they see this and they're this way I hope and believe that they kind of land in the middle okay with a firm you know frame and I do think frame is very important between a man and a woman I think on social media to what you were saying about the comments is that you're rewarded for saying things that are extreme because that not only gets the views it gets all the comments it gets all the followers it financially incentivizes you in so many ways to like how far can we push this let's keep going more and more and more why wouldn't you as a business decision it's just it seems as though if if that's what's getting results you would tend to lean towards and when people are cheering you on over and over and over again it's hard I think it's that I think it's um it can be that way but just like any man if you evaluate your situation and you identify something you don't like I'm sure you've both done this in your own life in some form of capacity is something about your life you can just step up and fix it you know and I don't think that I'm on this active campaign to go tell everybody that I'm trying to fix it what's really important to me is I see all of me because I genuinely believe if they see all of me I'm palatable to all kinds of shows like this one like the one I did earlier today with Ryan Panetta man that guy's Incredible You know guys like Ed Marlette I've met him recently and I think he's just freaking salt to the earth type guy and so I just I just believe that if I can show truly who I am that I can in the long run maybe not the short term do just as good if and not better well let's talk a little bit more about those characteristics and who you truly are in a little bit because we also want to discuss I mean you've gone on the record to say that you have businesses that generate up to 35 million dollars a year in Revenue correct collectively collectively yes collectively and your story is actually very impressive because your whole appeal or your poll in the beginning was the fact that you built up a business in like the real world I mean you did construction built up a multi-million dollar business running a construction company can we talk maybe just briefly about how you got into that what led you to construction and then what did you do uniquely that got you successful I think that's very admirable but I think that's so underrepresented right now is the trades yeah and a lot of this this jobs that are just not being showcased online a thousand percent man these guys build the world like the world does not go around without the men that that build the country in in every country we couldn't even do this podcast right now if it weren't for Tradesmen and I'll tell you I believe in 10 years there's going to be YouTubers out there saying you want to know what the new hack is become a plumber I've been saying that no I said that five years ago yeah yeah and I did a whole video breakdown this is one of my earlier the doctors and I did the announcement I'll watch that video yeah I'll watch that video I did the announcement I believe you for those that don't know I broke down the average salary of a plumber starting at the age of 18 it goes to trade school versus that of a doctor who goes into law school or not law school medical school debt I think it was up until about 40 in the 40s the plumber was ahead financially how he catches up exactly yeah and so it wasn't until the doctors in this in like the 50s does the wealth really take off because they're just making so much money but up until that point the plumber comes out ahead or whatever the um income of the polymer I remember was pretty conservative as well yeah I actually looked up how long it takes to be like a plumber's Apprentice you did that video years ago yeah I'll watch that video and uh it's funny I just finished working I know where I'll watch that video yeah because it's so crazy man I watched that video and the Whole Foods parking lot Town Center in Baton Rouge Louisiana eating chicken I propped it up I drive F-150 yeah in Louisiana I propped it up and I'm sitting there eating chicken in the truck I'll watch that video and I agree with you then and think that was years ago it's gonna happen it's gonna happen and it needs to happen um we live in a world where you can shake your ass on Tick Tock and make more money than the guy that paved the road for me to get here yeah that's obviously not against the law but I think it is kind of a Injustice of equity in the world for sure and um I've been pitching this thing called Bob man a Beer by the man a beer where anytime I see a Tradesman and he's trying to buy lunch checking out at the end of the day trying to buy his 12-pack on the way home I try my best to talk him in and let me do it and and oftentimes he lets me I think I'm gonna have to tweak the program a little bit because I think that it's kind of hard for the normal person and I get like a post or two a day but I think I think it's kind of hard like I'm gonna have to find another way to appreciate them because it's kind of hard to talk a man that's been working like they're they're also they have pride and they don't want to take a selfie with you because you bought on beer what I'm trying to do is use my following to at a minimum hero the people that build this country the plumbers The Carpenters you know the concrete guys the electricians the sheet rocks the painters the roofers you know a lot of these guys put their life online this dangerous work it's hot work it's or it's cold the conditions are never good I don't think they get paid enough um right in line with cops and teachers I have I don't agree with curriculums but I do think teachers are very important I think they sacrifice their them their lives for people in a lot of ways because I'm in construction because I'll work construction my whole life I have a heart for them yeah I've been close to them I've argued with them I've cursed at them they've cursed at me wrong like look you know Iron Workers aren't freaking Boy Scouts bro they're not man they fight in the hotel rooms and they get drunk in trucks and they do you know crazy things but if without these guys man the world doesn't run and because of my background and how I was able to make my first money I just refused to forget about those guys man and so the whole campaign was about you know if you see a guy in work boots buying his lunch you can tell he's working trash guy anything any of these jobs that make the world go try your best to see if he'll you know tell him Hey listen I'm a part of this campaign called Batman the guys that make the world go round would you please let me buy you lunch or would you please let me cover that for you it mean a lot to me and that's it man um that's that's I just want to Champion these guys more because I don't think they get the credit they deserve and I don't think people realize how important they are but before we go into that you guys know here on the iced coffee hour we like to be quick and efficient and I like to cook which is not the most quick and efficient thing and on busy days I usually just end up 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that she went out with the night before you know what I'm saying it's like nobody Associates any kind of status or any kind of respectability to it and I have my thoughts on what really makes it hard for them I believe that when we went off the gold standard we went from a guy that could go put a tool belt on and support his family completely to his wife having to work and I I think that was very negative through the nuclear family but in regards to how they're being paid if I were in charge of construction in America or was the president or not that I ever would run for anything like that or some kind of office I would put certified payroll bacon like Davis bacon projects which means they have to check the payroll and they assign like an electrician makes this much money with this much for instance fringe benefits and a metal building guy makes this with this much fringe benefits I would make every project in America that and one of the big reasons I would do that is because a lot of contractors smaller contractors but contractors nonetheless big ass cash and don't pay the guys correctly I'll pay my guys to ride to the project although the cash I've seen a lot of non-citizens get paid cash that seems to be the go-to or people that don't want to pay their tax isn't that yeah to a benefit but someone's request hey pay me cash man so I'd rather get paid 200 bucks right now than 300 and have to deal with all the IRS yeah I get that but the problem is that I want to build my because I'm an American right I believe in the American dream I get a lot of flack for taking up for America but you don't want to be in America get out because America's a goat scoreboard and I don't mind paying the taxes I don't mind taking the taxes out matching it I would like an equal playing field because what what is it so so my workman's comp for hanging steel is like 45 on 100. before Social Security FICA medicate everything so by the time you get close to a 50 labor burden and I'm bidding against a guy for a million dollar job and he beats me by two or three hundred grand I know where it came from you see what I'm saying and in regards to paying paying guys cash I can't sleep at night trying to build a company on something I could go to jail for so we pay it like if when they leave my office from Louisiana to California let's say because I got guys from California to New York right now today they get paid to ride they get paid they're 40 hours straight they get paid overtime and they get paid per diem and we cover their hotels but because of that it makes it hard for me to do jobs let's say in the South as much because the guy next door will pay him cash but I'm out here talking about having a business and talking about building something that I can count on for a long time it's not worth it for me to go to jail it's not worth it for me to have keep an eye open and worry about like getting in trouble with the IRS or the government it's just not worth it if it were up to me I would probably give because you said something a second ago with the Spanish guys where you said non-citizens but if you go on on a construction site in America right now and you say everybody that's not originally born in America has to leave you'd have a site superintendent you probably have an electrician and a plumber but other than maybe some HVAC guys the MEPS other than that you'd lose the whole job every damn near every man out there Spanish and they're coming in and taking the jobs that not Americans want that Americans don't want you know I look I've got I've got Crews of American guys honestly they don't perform the same way but sometimes they can get into an industrial setting you know sometimes they can get into an oil and gas plant and it's a slower pace and but I don't think the Spanish guys are taking jobs from Americans that want those jobs I don't because I don't have I don't have American citizens banging down my doors to come hang steal and I don't think that's Americans fault either I'm not blaming Americans for that I just think that there's a perception it's all about what you can be grateful for right your expectation versus your reality and I think the average American young man particularly is growing up in a world that he feels like he failed if he's not drop shipping from a beach and it's not cool anymore to be proud of your work and I know those guys are out there in rural towns and stuff I'm not saying that there's no let's say white guys out there you know doing their best in construction but I think by and largely if an American lands in a construction role currently especially one where he's not the owner or doesn't have a high paying job or he's not a project manager he's not particularly I get messages every day hey man I'm trying to get off my tools you know um and I think that I think that we created that in America but from my perspective if I hear someone say I'm in construction I want to get out of it I want to I want to do better I want to do better for my family I just here not making enough money it's not scalable it it takes a brutal toll on my body yeah I want to do something that I can scale that I could make money without having to be on the job site all day which I do not get it is is an objective a lot of people a thousand percent but um also I mean it's a one percent for a reason man they really wanted that I think they'd find a way if I'm being fair and then I think some guys love what they do you know and there are some Americans out there I don't want to take this away from all people but I think everybody in construction knows that a huge portion is Spanish right when you say Spanish you mean Hispanic right like people that speak Spanish yeah so uh Guatemalans yeah panamanians Mexicans things like that yeah for sure and I see it in other countries too every time I go to Dubai you know it's they're all pulling people from other countries I'm curious when did you get into the construction business you you went to high school were you good in high school you were academic and everything did you no man I wasn't I failed sixth grade bro you failed six years sixth grade just yeah there's nothing everyone just gives you a password it's just you know man like no you know I I foreign like I said home life wasn't the best yeah I don't want to blame them I wasn't even a decent student until early high school I graduated 3-2 in high school I was in the Key Club but that is a fight it was a fight Oh I thought you said you fought no it was a it was a fight um I got in plenty of fights in sixth grade in sixth grade yeah I got arrested in sixth grade for fighting what did you get okay well hold on how did you get into this fight and then why did you get arrested from this fight always look well first of all let me backtrack it sounds like two separate incidents right yeah how did we go how did we no no it was just a fight to to do well in school I wasn't interested okay I wasn't interested at all like and that's why I was talking about the curriculums right uh have you ever heard of the book The War on boys there's a book about basically like how things are not really set up for boys I'm not a 10 10 4 Hatter on this or anything like that but I do believe that when what power to you in sixth grade 12. yeah something like that sure you really want to sit there and read like egg around and Poe no no bro right it's not interesting I I believe that little boys at that age if if I could make the curriculums they'd be changing tires like learning how to frame a wall learning how to change some shoes right yeah I love that man right how to draft up a contract did put him to work yeah yeah like actually works and see if they pointed it out as a young kid what you're trying to instill in them you're not necessarily giving them knowledge that they can use later in life you're teaching them how to learn and you're teaching them discipline well it's really critical those are the two things that are actually valuable as a kid but they've determined that in order to teach kids how to learn and discipline it's through homework homework and reading Edgar Allan I think just like well basic reading skills I think are important basic math skills but then I think it's critical thinking a thousand percent and I'll tell you another thing too is that in America particularly I can't speak for other countries but if you're not in a point in your life where you care about the subject you know I don't think you're gonna hear it I am more into geopolitics and and social studies today than I have ever been I watch Wendover videos I watch Johnny Harris videos just trying to understand your channels yeah bro he's good now that's great wendovers yeah smoke bro and like we nerd out we're sending each other videos about you know why the Mississippi River is the most powerful river in the world um Scott too yeah bro bro I don't know out on these on this [ __ ] at night man and uh and you could have shown me that video in sixth grade and I'd have been like trying to pass a note to some little girl or throw paper across the room at my friend that's on the football team or just whatever it was man I was just not interested but I think if if little boys could do things with their hands learn how to do things that are going to be helpful in the world that'll also help the little girls and I'm not even opposed to teaching little girls how to change a tire I'm not opposed to that I'm just saying for the little boys I don't think it's something that they resonate with at that age and I was just completely checked out I was thinking about football practice or whatever else you know and um it's certainly not because I'm not intelligent I just didn't care and I didn't make good grades I didn't want to do my homework and I sure as hell didn't want to study for a test that I didn't care about so it was just you know one of those things now I was labeled a 504 student it's like uh it's like the kind of kid that like needs his test ringtone oh God okay it is what it is and I look back at that time in life I think it was good for me so as you're about to hear shortly running a business smoothly can be fairly challenging trying to keep all of your goals tasks and data organized among several softwares could be quite confusing and often takes more time than it's worth well if you want to help restructure your business you don't know where to start just remember these three numbers from our sponsor netsuite it's thirty six thousand twenty five and one thirty six thousand because over 36 000 companies have already upgraded to netsuite and stopped wasting time on things like manual data entry and sifting through scattered data 25 because netsui has spent 25 years helping businesses drive down their costs and one because netsui is an all-in-one solution that allows you to manage all of your kpis or key performance indicators with one efficient system 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fights in that neighborhood I moved to this all white school pretty much and some kid popped off to me and I was hard at that time and I busted them up pretty good and uh what did he say to you dude I can't even remember now he was just how did it how did it make you feel at the time though I bet you remember the emotions that went through your mind as soon as you said that it was actually one of those things where it's like all right cool catch me when you get off the bus so he lived in the front of the name I can't believe I'm even saying this he lived in the front of the neighborhood and he walked from the front of the neighborhood all the way the back of the neighborhood and I met him in the street and it was you versus him yeah and some parents broke it up and you actually like it was a fight fight yeah of course who threw the first punch was that you or was he you're talking to two guys who have we've never been into it well I've been in a fight I just lost were you actually in a fight with Michael Michael he did a boxing match oh god I've been in yeah four or five fights in my adult life okay oh but that's actually kind of common in the South people in the South no I think yeah and look I'm not championing this [ __ ] either I'm not sitting here saying it's cool I don't feel cool or manly to tell you about this just in case no I'm just telling you man because I know there's gonna be always young men watching what I say and so um you know if I can back away from one today I will now if I can't you get close enough I'm gonna hit you first where do you know the line between walking away and standing up for yourself really good conversation with Patrick if the other kid swings first you gotta defend yourself and that's up to you if you can't de-escalate yeah there's something fight back there's actually something that you said in there that I would teach my son differently sure and or Patrick said maybe is he has to hit you first my personal rule is I'm gonna tell you I don't want to and I'm gonna try to step away but if you get back in range there's definitely a jab cross coming I will definitely hit you first because I don't want to fight you in the first place and the mistake I made in that bar is after he hit the floor I tried to ground by the back I dropped to a knee and tried to grab him by the back of the head and really wear his ass out and when one of his buddies came up behind me actually a bit bigger than me and I just got lucky because I was able to get it and they were all three trying to hit me but I was kind of covered up because he was over me and it just like I don't I don't promote fighting if I leave here today and somebody tries to fight me and I think I can walk away I absolutely will regardless of Pride or ego but when they get you in a corner I'm not going to wait for them to hit me first I already know they want to hit me you know I've been in enough fights to know what his eyes look like what his intentions are I can see his his this balled up you know and then you and then when you actually get in a fight you get this very shaky feeling inside of you it's like it's actually very you know it's it's like a bone chilling feeling it's the adrenaline coming in your body so you can like not feel things and uh I know what that's like I know it's I know when somebody has an intention I've been in I've been in at least 12 15 in my life so I know what it's like and I'm also not the only time I've ever met somebody for a fight was that fight I was telling you about everything else is spur of the moment everything else was you know boom boom and it's over quick man have you ever lost a fight no I'm not well third grade I got my nose busted yeah I got my nose busted you got your nose but your hands bleeding and everything yeah everywhere oh yeah how that has been I got in a fight with this kid I can't believe we're talking about okay this is the last fight and then we're gonna go to all the inspiring okay business building and then we got other you know stuff in store I didn't know you were so interested in the subject y'all y'all should have had Tate on no no keep going keep going okay there's this kid messing with my sister on the bus I did what I did it went very much in my favor and then the next day I was walking off the bus and he kicked me and he ran to an open seat and laid down on the seat and started kicking so when I went to him no he did that move he just that's okay that's not a cool it was like a backwards Turtle kick right I know exactly went right into it yeah um yeah so whatever on to the business okay so so how did you get into construction uh at a young age and then when did the money really start coming in yeah so um when I was a little boy my stepdad did metal buildings and um to be quite honest with you the type of neighborhoods we lived in when there was no lawyers there was no doctors or anything like that and we had some house fires when I was a kid and we ended up staying in his boss's house when I was in like seventh grade and we were in a completely different neighborhood and uh it gave me a new Consciousness on what was possible because I had not seen a whole lot of that I always say that construction was the only way we knew how to make doctor money was in Boots and that's actually quite a true thing in south Louisiana you know the mouth of Mississippi's air so there's a lot of Industry there's a lot of industrial work there's a lot of construction that goes with that work there's a lot of building houses to support that that infrastructure of the economy in south Louisiana and it was the only Consciousness I had I say all of the time that had I put the same energy into a better business model a different business model then construction I think I'd be a lot better off but I don't think I'd be the same person and for that I'm glad I stayed in construction I graduated college in 2009 I'd already read Rich Dad Poor Dad and I knew I wanted to have a business one day but I honestly thought I'd end up in Dallas as a project manager first making really good money and save and end up you know starting something and those jobs just weren't there like we were told when we were freshmen signing up to go into construction management school and so I dug ditches and I worked for this company called Austin bridge and Road in this little small town called Bastrop Louisiana after I graduated that job ended I went to Baton Rouge I waited tables at Texas de Brazil in Baton Rouge and I would go during the day and apply for jobs and they were building this hospital called Women's Hospital in Baton Rouge in them I'd gone in there a couple times because they had they were actually building the project so instead of going to home office I was like going out to job sites and um the ladies like I can't let you see the boss you know you can see the boss like 40 50 million dollars some crazy amount like the third time I went she goes hold on so some grizzly looking angry white man comes he's like are you Justin I'm like yes sir come with me so go back to his office and uh he plops down in his chair and he's like give it to me and I'm all like you know he looks at he looks at me he looks at he looks at me He Flops it on the table he's like you need to tell me you've come in here three or four times to stop a 30 40 million dollar project to see the boss because you want a job yes sir well I like that offer me a job boom and uh I ended up not taking it I went to the company down the street six times they gave me a job so I went to New Orleans instead but what I did there was I was making really good money it was a levy project for the Corps of Engineers and so it was like government funded so we all kind of got paid really well I was making like 60 Grand a year and so what I did is I went to the bank and I said listen I get my my checks order drafted but I want you to push everything but my per diem into this other bank account because I wanted to get a contractor's license and to get a contractor's license you had to have a net worth of ten thousand dollars which or myself or anybody in my family had it took me about six months I guess to get the money saved up now I wouldn't apply for a residential contractor's license and then I moved the money to another bank and went and applied for my commercial and that was 14 years ago March now we have over 200 men 25 States we do all of America the Caribbean how do you scale that up from working for someone else to then going off on your own is it still a requirement by the way to have a 10 000 on a net worth to be a contractor I think it is in Louisiana you have to prove it yeah and I think that's a good thing yeah I think it's a good thing the show is like what discipline is well just like that or not yeah like if you can't get a net worth of 10 grand 10 grand then you're probably gonna either do some shady [ __ ] or not do the right thing or not run the right systems and maybe even hurt somebody just by accident construction is really hard with cash flow like understanding cash flow like a whip report a work in progress your billing excess a cost cost and accessibility once you start getting into millions of dollars you really need to understand cash flow and and a lot of guys like if you can't get a ten thousand dollar net worth you're not going to understand AR you're not going to understand retainage and billing and how you really have to play with the big boys to be able to even be a subcontractor you're really just not it's it and I think that's a good rule when I started off 2500 payrolls like two or three guys I went to I never forget my first line of credit was fifteen thousand dollars First American Bank bag the lady to get a line of credit because I had twenty five hundred dollar payrolls and at that time that was a whole lot of money to me and we were doing these 30 by 40s and backyards we're doing sheds man and uh I'm 24 25 so I keep a tool belt in the truck for the guys that didn't show up to work then I put slacks in there so I could go beg for money at the bank and a polo to go try to sell a job and I did that and I worked out of an F-150 for four years five years how are you getting jobs and what year was this by the way this would have been 2011 is when I started kind of rough time I mean not the easiest time no because that was the the lowest point for housing was yeah 2011. yeah um but we were doing metal buildings and um and so I would do that and then I eventually got to a place where I knew I needed more systems and so I got really heavy into e-myth and I worked with emith for about a year and a half what's even e-myth is a book by Robert E Gerber it talks about the entrepreneur the manager and the technician and so having that insight for me was actually really important because I had a really good understanding of what I had to be to my business and what did I what did I need to replace myself with I needed a really really good technician to really help me you know with the guys and because the buildings were getting bigger and bigger and more complex so when you go from the backyard to doing a school project in New Orleans it's no longer columns purlins and girts it can be CMU block within beds and trusses it can be a normal metal building but there's a standing seam roof now there's a valley and so there's these all these intricate details that now I can literally in my mind see but it's only because damn near every roof I did for the first three years of commercial leaked and and I had to go get all these certifications I had to go to Pennsylvania to get certified to do Butler mr-24 roofs which are on every Costco in America by the way I had to get go to do the new core you know test to make sure I knew how to put their roof on because every manufacturer has a little bit of a different detail so they can get their you know their patent on it and so in the specs that the architect writes which is again completely different than doing a backyard Mueller building you have to be qualified to do these roofs because a lot of times I have what's called a no dollar 20-year warranty on it which means the manufacturer comes out with a feeler gauge a camera and anything he can to poke holes in and take a bunch of photos and then make these 20 Page reports and they're like no you have to do this this and this and this and they'll hold your money until you do it and so making the jump from the backyard a commercial I took some blows how do you get jobs like that because those are pretty substantial jobs yeah so I'll tell you exactly what I did so I sought out mentors I would say around 26. there's this organization called the metal building contractors Directors Association shout out to Sasha and it's a mouthful to say could you say that again metal building contractors and Erectors Association I'm still part of it the way that flows and so I sought out mentorship and there was guys at companies like there's a company in New Jersey named Thomas Phoenix Sean Eric Gary they really took me under the wing they were really good to me they really helped me and they gave me a proposal template and um I took their name off of it put mine on it made sure I understood it but it made me look big on paper we weren't big we had like two trucks you know but it made us look it made us look legit and then I know that every project has a pre-job walk and so that means that every General so because we work for General Contractors right so a big GC we do the steel we only do steel right we don't do everything else that's General so we work for gc's so I knew that the Architects made the GCS do a pre-job walk before like if they don't show up to that they can't bid it so I started calling The Architects and asking for the pre-job walk form because I knew like two gc's at this time so I might get one invite out of ten general contractors for the same job or I could find out everybody that's bitten it and non and just send my bid anyway so what I ended up doing is making what we call now a pre-qualification package which was like a company resume right and I would send them a bid and say hey I know bid days crazy good luck I hope y'all kill it today but instead of building up bidding a hundred thousand dollar job to one GC I'd send it to 10 and I had scenarios where I would win the job and then the GC that didn't win would have Steel on the ground and need somebody and so I ended up getting on all these people's bid lists and when I did that a higher estimator and then we built a very strong system around every panel we put in every kind of column of framed opening on the steel a framed opening on shooting the wall to trim out everything so the the spreadsheet I worked on for years just fine-tuning every little thing to spit out man hours because what's dangerous in our business of people a square foot something but if it has 47 windows in it you're going to be there an extra two or three weeks you know so for every little thing that we at any kind any kind of material we've ever installed we have a man-hour budget to put in set amount per day and that way I could trust that if my estimator which was like a 55 year old man at the time when he was he was with me for like six seven years if he just puts the data incorrectly if he just sees the drawings correctly and reads the details that it would spit me out a number that was competitive and so what he would do is he would send me three or four a week and we ended up getting to where I've been three to five a week every week and what I would do is I was running between jobs I was like my own general superintendent at this time he would be back in the office I'd be visiting all the job sites all over the place and I'd pull over still Wi-Fi off my phone open a Macbook go over it with them on speakerphone look at the drawings with them just to double and triple check and um we'd spit three to five bids out a week and then we started doing millions in revenue and then I had my next problem is scaling the Manpower and then making sure the systems put me in a place where I could trust that the work would be done correctly so even today we have what's called a project process every mistake we've ever made ever made from unloading the truck to shaking the steel out to hanging the steel to sheeting the walls to putting the roof on to seaming the roof to blowing the roof off to putting the gutters on and making sure that we don't cut the gutter for a downspout where subsurface drainage is coming up let's say because they're not going to move from out of the ground so guess who's got to buy a new gutter if it's one foot off all these things that have happened right that list is there and it's every mistake we've ever made and we run that list to make sure our QC runs well and then of course we have uh safety we have a safety guy and we have a girl that makes sure that they turn jsas in every day and that when the time sheets are turned in or if they go into the app t-sheets that is coded to the right thing because one of the most powerful things that you can possibly have in construction is historical data for estimating so that spreadsheet I was talking about with those man hours factors for us to know how correct they are it makes a lot of sense for us to be able to have really strong books and I think having strong books and construction particularly trade construction is one of the most important things a guy could do because if you don't know the historical data of what got you to the profit or not profit on the job then you're going to make the mistake again yeah how often are you unprofitable on the jobs because I'd imagine and I've seen it before where a contractor will bid a job be a bit under and if they're held to it sometimes we're losing money because they just underestimate how much work goes into I've lost money on a bunch of jobs man in fact in that phase in that growth phase it would really look like this make a bunch of money break even break even lose money make a bunch of money Break Even lose a little bit make a little bit lose money it was it and that's really it was really around scaling you know you got this one guy that's like your Ace and you want to put them on the best job you can and you still have guys not showing up you still have blood on projects you still have steel showing up incorrectly you have forklifts breaking down you have manless breaking down you have trucks stolen you know I I it's nothing for me to get a call on a Sunday and be like the guy's just gotten a big bar brawl in Michigan and cops are looking for trucks with your logo on it sweet these things happen it is construction and so just like getting like planting seeds with men cutting the bad ones keeping the good ones planting seeds with men cutting the bad ones and now I have three good ones now I have four what makes them bad and can you spot that ahead of time when hiring are there red flags that you see in people I could kind of tell this might go there I can tell you when it turned around for me I created a system around hiring I'm a big fan of Patrick lincione's books so he's got the ideal team player which is a very cool book it's actually about trying to find a construction guy and then that's just by coincidence but he's got hump he's got this thing called humble hungry smart but what we start with is proven competence I used to would run ads for guys and they would call they would lie about how long they've been doing it they've been working at the competition for three months and they tell you they've been there five years and they'd want to leave you to get a raise or whatever it is and um so what I did is I was like okay War I need to be recruiting at least 1.25 more than I'm bidding and always draw a circle on the on the board at my office I'm like bids recruiting and then the projects right in the middle and so what I did is I created very loaded metal building questions that you would only know if you've been doing it for quite some time after we've proven competence I think the best part of this this phone process starts humble hungry smart would you be willing to work under another form and to learn our systems for a little while until you learn how we do it cool that's that's you know a big question would you be willing to work for a dollar an hour less for the first month so we can see you're as good as you say you are hungry would you be willing to leave town and work weekends if we need you to to hit a schedule smart tell me what you don't like about your current company we're trying to get them to talk [ __ ] like we're truly trying to get them to like we we really push them on this one test if they if they don't [ __ ] if they talk [ __ ] they're out but then again they're trying to be honest with you if you ask them what you don't like yeah but I've done I've done enough I've done honest because they'll run with it sure they will run with it and there's a big difference between you know I don't really like it here I don't feel like I get treated very well I'll leave it at that or I don't see growth here um and I'm not maybe maybe they haven't come through on the Promises they gave me things like that versus sure these MF they're trash blah blah they're idiots the one the guys in the office are morons they don't know how to estimate probably the last thing I need in my business is that guy talking to my guys right and then look we asked them how their luck is how are things going for you how's your life going and when you have guys that come to you telling you how unlucky they are they will bring that bad look into the company and what I do because I'm not on these calls and neither is my operations manager so have you ever heard of the Fibonacci series no I have not so it's like this concept that most things in nature are an odd number and that humans struggle seeing the difference between two and three we can definitely see the difference between one and five five and nine nine and thirteen that you can feel the difference and so let's say we get to the question about Hungary are you willing to work out of town on short notice or work weekends if we need you to well yeah I mean I could do that for y'all if you really needed me to or yes absolutely I'll go anywhere you want me to go I'm here to work completely different answer both yes because I'll tell you whatever they they need you to hear for them to get a job but the flexion in their voice because I'm not on the call I can't hear it but she rates using the Fibonacci series how much of a yes it was so 13 being the highest and then the total score is anybody over a certain score gets to talk to Renee and she's our operations manager and that's how we weed out if I if we talk to 100 guys Renee I'll talk to five or six Maybe but I get rid of all the lies I get rid of all the drama I get rid of any incompetency lies just by these five categories and how they tell you yes or no but then how do they squeak by let's just say they get accepted they start the job but then after a month or two you realize it's not working out how do they squeak by that and what do you notice on the job that they're lacking is it maybe discipline are they just not focused enough is it are they not detail-oriented enough how do you spot these things it'll be safety quality production okay well no if they're getting kicked I've got like if they're getting kicked off of jobs for not tying off when they know damn good and well they should be they signed they put a JSA together every day um if they're not hitting man hours I have enough men now that if a God tells me he put a thousand square foot of roof on in a day that something's not right you know what I'm saying we have enough jobs in or we've done thousands of buildings millions of square foot of buildings All Over America we know like our man our man hours factors are they're solid now we know what they're supposed to do and then quality if they don't want to read the detail you have to know and you have to get it right because if it fails inspection then you're looking at Insurance claim of possibly ripping a roof up or massive amount of extra man hours for getting this thing in a place where the manufacturer will actually give the customer that warranty because we put it incorrectly and 99 of the time if a roof leaks 99.9999 of time it is a Rector error we are Erectors and those are engineers and they have tested this in all conditions so if we don't do the detail correctly they will not insure the roof and if they don't insure the roof the architect won't sign off of and they won't buy it I'd love to get a little bit more into the self-development stuff because you've been also talking about that a lot recently I feel like how you have to get fit I have to start earning a Better Living making more money to be the best version of yourself that you can possibly be as somebody watching this right now that maybe doesn't wake up and feel super happy with where they're at in life what would you recommend they do to start becoming the best version of themself getting shape I put it in front of making money I really do I think that being in shape gives you an advantage in business I believe that truly I think people respect you more I think people look at you and they say like you it's like walking discipline walking strength I look it might not be a popular thing to say but a physical stature on a man when he walks into a room in his ability like I said to look human eye body language it Garners respect and it in my opinion can get you further in business people people want to work with people they respect so Fitness first number one if you're not in shape and you're eating bad and you're not moving your body then your whole all your cells are stale like you can't even think straight so I always put getting in shape above everything you know I believe that a person that does really well in life and is not in shape would have done better if they were in shape you know what on that though that's the one thing you can't make you can't fake being in shape you can't fake a six but I mean I'm sure you can fake a six-pack but it seems as though that's the one thing that all these billionaires are doing is like all of a sudden they all seem to be getting in shape getting six packs yeah because when you have all the money like you can't necessarily buy that stuff that's just purely dedication discipline and a lot of work and so that to me now seems like the ultimate Flex is being really in shape thousand percent and it's one of those you know you could be a very rich guy and walk through the grocery store nobody would know you can't say that about Fitness you get to carry that with you everywhere you go it gives you an advantage whether it's with dopsis X business or even how you feel about yourself it's easy to respect yourself when you put in the work to get in shape you know because it's hard work and it shows so I for me that's number one on the list uh some people would probably put money in front of it I just personally don't because I just think you'll do better at business if you're in shape particularly sales are free yeah it is it's costing it yeah thousand percent yeah and it doesn't take as much time as people say it does you know I remember being high school man I worked at Harbor Freight Tools you know what that is yeah I do yeah I would go in the back in the bathroom and I put the little sales papers now on the bathroom floor let's do push-ups until I couldn't do them anymore you know and I did that for years and years and years you know and um it really pays off now because at 37 I've had six shoulder surgeries on this shoulder and her total replacement and I have mature muscle left over from 20 years of exercising and so now I I don't let myself get any further than two weeks out from middle to turn take my shirt off anytime I want you know I keep ABS year round but it was all that work I did especially when I was young you know like people people should start working at an early age because your body is maturing and growing at that time and you can create all this bone density all this mature muscle that will stay with you over time especially if you just do the work to keep the maintenance on it I don't work out the same way I used to my shoulder really won't allow it some days it really hurts the Box you know so I have to work on footwork all day or you know defense or whatever but I don't think there's a thing in this world that you could do for yourself I can't think of one that's better than getting in really good shape and getting strong this makes me want to hit the gym well you need to you need to no I do hit the gym I do go I went today yeah yeah but yeah but how do you maintain a six-pack year round what is that like because that seems to me like your disciplined every meal like well I'll tell you everything I'll tell you how I personally do it is I've had a six-pack since I was 24 years old there's not been a day between 24 now where I could not see all of my abs now I might get puffier around the love handles you know like if you have a standard you know sometimes I'd be here sometimes I'd be here but I'd never get too far imagine if there's a straight line and there's line above it and below it I never got outside that I would never let myself get outside that range and it's super easy to keep it once you get it and even though this is not true I try to tell young Mando believe that whatever you get today you'll keep it forever it'll make you work out harder so you get the most you can but the way I do it now is I I fast every day I'm still not eating today what I haven't eaten no what time do you wake up today yeah five o'clock AM yeah and it's like seven it's coffee 30 bro coffee I don't get by all day without eating and I get headaches I'm used to scattered I'm used to it I'm faster breakfast and initially it was a little tough but now it's very easy and I don't even think about it anymore yeah I feel like you just get used to it I don't even think about it and so what do you have just one meal at the end of the day yeah yeah and then what time do you go to bed probably from 10 to 12 on a normal day so you're eating and then going to bed right afterwards I heard that's bad for you to eat like right before you go to bed everything's bad for you what do you eat what's a normal dinner look like for you protein steak or chicken or whatever but I'll eat carbs too can you track calories or it's like the one meal I could do whatever I want to if I don't yeah if I want to I eat pizza I eat pizza if I want to but I mean and I'm and a lot of people when they fast their goal is to trigger like an insulin response right that's actually not what I'm trying to do because I'll drink the little five-hour energies are the feel free you ever tried one of those I got like I just stick with coffee they got like mac and stuff and I drink coffee too but um I know the coffee won't trigger the insulin but even like a fake sweetener can kind of tell the brain or the gut like you know you have sugar in you I do it for Pure mathematical purposes there's no way I can eat 2500 calories between 8 pm and 10 pm like it's almost impossible so for me it's more about a deficit than it is about like messing with my insulin response or anything like that like I don't nerd out on it I definitely think there's like an 80 20 to Fitness you know even even in the way that I work out I genuine like I only do certain lifts because I know that I'll get the biggest return from those lifts and what is that so for example I'll never do flat bench or D or um decline bench sure I do all upper chest when you walk into a room or you're outside there's one constant variable and that's overhead light in a lot of particularly like having a six-pack or looking big is an illusion based off light so I focus all on my upper chest because when you walk in a room that's what people are going to see and it also pulls the rest of your chest up when I do abs I only do the bottom two ABS seems oddly specific how well let me let me let me clarify how many guys have you met it's like oh I got the top two we're probably my [ __ ] Grandma's got to talk to it's your ribs exactly come on exactly but if you do decline weighted abs like with a 45 on your chest and you only focus on the bottom two and you tilt your head back so you isolate it nobody in history of the universe has ever had the bottom two in this V taper and not have the top two I treat my abs like I would treat my bicep you ever seen a guy that's super lean skinny even any not have a six-pack I I've known plenty of guys like this and so the reason I say this and that you have to treat it like your bicep is that you need to get a pump in your abs and what that allows you to do so as the skin goes down and that muscle is growing and go back to overhead light that muscle poking through the skin is what creates the shadow underneath and so the bigger you can get them and it's kind of like that girl thing like bro you're not gonna your abs aren't Gonna Get huge overnight you're not gonna look like you have a huge gut shut the [ __ ] up try to get a pump where you can literally feel a physical pump in your abs and they poke through the skin and even you bro you can have a six pack at 12 14 body fat sometimes and then when you start to actually down then you get really [ __ ] ripped because it's poking through the skin and protruding you know you kind of get that 300 look I'm telling you you'll have a six-pack faster than you would anyway it's an absolute cheat because it pokes through the skin and it creates a shadow you know I'm telling you so look is this cred credit right here well I could I could just show y'all but I feel like that'd be turbo douchey so [Music] turbo that's funny yeah so you want you want the poke out oh my gosh yeah you see what I'm saying but see you got the V thing going like screaming at me it's like how do you get the side bit too here yeah he also airdrop this to me just so I can show the view is that cool here's that photo yeah um you guys gotta see this okay on the obliques one thing I would say you could do and I did this a lot early on is you ever do a side plank yeah okay cool go up and put your hand on them make sure it burns and when it finally starts to burn bounce pulse on that [ __ ] [ __ ] it up like like want to destroy it I used to do that two minutes at a time on each side and I just put into it hurts so bad and it's just because those are really small muscles and people are like oh if you do that every day dude I do abs every time I have this thing I call Lima Bean Theory in Lima Bean theory is for abs you ever see a guy go to the gym and he says okay we'll do ads when we're done but what happens is he goes in there he does shoulders or whatever he does right I use this for actually abs and legs he gets this big pump and then after the fact when he's supposed to do abs lima beans me every single time I go yeah exactly yeah you have to change that lima bean theory is you're sitting at the table your mom made macaroni and cheese chicken nuggets and these stupid ass [ __ ] lima beans eat the lima beans first when you have the most energy pre-workout excited to be there whatever get it out of the way then you can enjoy the chicken nuggets and the macaroni and cheese you know it's like goes back to eating as a kid first do it first because you're not going to do it after I'll give you another example tricep I don't want to start flexing in here but I kind of want to I know so like I only work on this inside you see that little horseshoe and that horseshoe yeah I only work on those because any [ __ ] that ever does triceps ever is going to get this line right here so I purposely I'll take my thumbs and a rope I'll do Skull Crushers heavy but I'll take my thumbs with the rope and turn it out and I'll even stand up I'll take that you know the little ball that comes on the little board yeah I'll take that ball and I'll put it between my fingers like this and I'll turn and I'll purposely go over the back so I hit this guy Jesus yeah yeah and with the bottom two abs so you got three words no no but that's that's not that it's not completely true no I don't because I still I'll still shrug yeah right when I do my biceps I'll you know how like there's you know the weight the weight and the handle I'll push my hand all the way to the inside and I'll twist it like as far as I can out to create that Peak hmm you understand what I'm saying yeah and so like Rambo for example I think he shot Rambo like 158 pounds but he looks 220. it's all a [ __ ] illusion if you can develop the right muscles now of course rep range is important so I do 12 12 working sets of eight as heavy as I can possibly do and then I'll erupt it fail twice you do a lot it's not really a lot it's pop sets and I would also I did a lot of rep to fail push-ups coming up now I've heard the reason you're not supposed to do that and like isolate certain muscles is because of injury so like when you go and you kind of lift let's say for your shoulder or what's that he's trying to block it out what is that I don't know that what does that mean only [ __ ] will tell you that yeah bro people I thought it was like some Illuminati yeah are you a part I'm part of the Illuminati it's no problem you're not a part um no no I'm I'm probably accused of it got it yeah I just wanted to clarify by the way I've been doing my hands like this for years okay no no that's what I want to know okay because I was actually going to point that out everyone's been doing this okay even right I'll notice myself doing it I swear to God Andrew could type himself wiping his ass and it would catch on so I don't know bro I mean but literally did you get that from Android bro I you know it's so funny before I ever met Andrew oddly enough there's a picture of me at a war room event before I met Andrew sitting like this looking at the guy talking a lot of people do this really Andrew made it cool bro Andrew made it cool bro it was super comfortable you've never done this I do I I catch myself doing it but I'm like oh God like is this just because this is because of Andrew is it in my subconscious bro you know look I've been doing it for a long time in the Illuminati what they would say though maybe maybe but there's conspiracy theories everywhere but anyway back to what we're saying I also do I do heavy weight I believe in doing heavy weight I'll do weighted pull-ups I'll strap a 45 around my waist and do pull-ups and things like that and then I'll rep to fail after you know um I don't claim to be a fitness Guru but I I do think that there's some very obvious muscle groups that will give you an advantage and give you a huge return on investment of time and I clearly don't Skip Leg Day so that's how I look at it yeah so do you think for most guys it's better to go to the gym purely for you know physically being in better shape or do you think it it's better for the health reasons I think everything sure I think mating Business Health bone health longevity aging motivation everything man everything I when I think about working out when it comes to energy particularly I think about you're doing that work and you're like cranking but you like a little toy car yeah the dial and like you come out in like this euphoric State especially if you really went after it yeah yeah so I do believe in in lifting heavy and then rubbing to fail people like oh you're up to fail you're going to burn your muscles down it's like it's like when girls say I don't want to work out because I don't want to get big it's like look sweetheart like I don't know what made you think that your genetics are better than every dude in your gym that's working out every day and he's still not big like with one tenth of his testosterone you're not going to get jacked getting the squat rack so um I I do and I call them pinpoint muscle groups so I only work out these certain muscle groups I probably don't do in a year any more than 10 or 12 lifts like all these people that are mixing it up and like doing kettlebells [ __ ] hate kettlebells don't catch me dead doing kettlebells hey kettlebells bro if I if you catch me doing kettlebells please kick me in the nuts like it's the dumbest [ __ ] on the planet it's [ __ ] [ __ ] liver King sent us a whole bunch of cattle belts yeah liver King also a lot about a bunch of [ __ ] but he he does the kettlebells for different reasons he does Barbarian you know the Barbarian workout is no you should try it no dude I I carried it was horrible I he sent them and I was like I'm gonna just try to see when you put your hands on them or something so you hold I think it's 70 pound kettlebells in each hand yeah I guess it was seven yeah okay you have 20 pound ankle weights on each leg you have what is it a hundred or so pounds in a backpack and you're dragging a sled that has like I think 135 pounds and you have to walk a mile and you can't sit that's [ __ ] [ __ ] why would you say that because I'm not trying to be a traffic triathlete I'm trying to be jacked and explosive like that's dumb I feel like where's the hypertrophy in that really your calves Maybe like you you might get lean that way okay cool we're talking about putting on muscle I think his thing wasn't so much it was just like I'm gonna push myself I think he's on so much gear doesn't matter what he does it was mental endurance I think that's what for that for that I'm cool with it if if he's going to David Goggins route yeah I think it honestly and it's like a mental fortitude thing that's like a writing passage but let's not [ __ ] like like ideally you would look like a pro athlete let's say I think that's the greatest compliment I've ever gotten is when somebody asked me who I played for you know I'm like yeah well that's a long time over and I don't like to be uncle rico but thank you what is it like living life as someone who's six for it's like being dealt at least two Aces really yeah bro for sure you're born straight white male and tall oh that's at least three Aces out of five you know you think it's that big of an advantage to be six four and no no I would never like I don't think just because you're tall you get ahead in life but I mean there are certain advantages to it and I think I'd be but good to say that that's not true what are some of the biggest advantages you would say girls the ability to play sports um a certain physical presence in a room I think it's helped me in leadership of it but I don't think it I don't think it makes me a better leader you know I just think it's helpful but not planes not good on planes not good on planes not good in Lamborghini okay right right right right so no sports cars but you can reach the top aisle top shelf yes that's good okay I can absolutely do that right you know there's an obvious thing that I can say that Graham can stand on his wallet right you know which it is what it is but you know what also I've thought about this deeply actually if I had not been so tall or would not like gifted so much like physically I might have created a different strategy in my life and been much better at something else does that make sense it does I 100 actually agree with you yeah like I would have been like okay you can't play this card in life you need to hyper Focus here you know and I think life is really like that I think that life is you know evaluating the hand you're dealt and then saying okay how can I maximize this because everything that's ever happened negative in my life are any disadvantage that I think I have like I'm quite dyslexic like I don't read very well at all my work my eyes just don't pick the words up yeah it could be a simple it could be like a child's book and like I just whatever the eye flow is it just doesn't work out very well for me and I'm like okay well what can I do about it you know so I've been able to turn most negative things in my life into positive somehow and I think winners do that I mean most people if they have something that seems to be a disadvantage I try to wait find a way to make it a superpower I really do you know like I didn't grow up in the best situation like I grew up trailer parks and stuff like that but for that reason I believe I had this certain kind of grit or understanding of the world or whatever that I I choose to believe whether it's true or not gives me an advantage and that's just how I choose to frame it do you think there's a disadvantage of being really tall I think much taller than me you start to look like a baby giraffe you know what I'm saying okay you know exactly but you said much taller than you I mean is there any disadvantage I would cut it off at six four you think that's the optimal height six four six three six four yeah but I think six five and definitely six six you start to look goofy you know what I mean like it's it's because then they get long like it was hard for me to get size because I'm a height I had to work extra hard on like working out to get size on me because my my limbs are long and then once you get to six six it's just kind of weird looking you know you're just so much tired than everybody but if that's the optimal what downsides have you seen from yourself yes for yourself okay I'm curious yeah I fit in my Lamborghini it's close Okay are there certain girls that are like no you're too tall hell no hell no no I've never that does not happen no in fact us bro you see it a lot man this is actually something that people talk about online a lot is like girls will put if you're not six foot tall like swipe left oh they do yeah and I think that's yeah but that's all on social media once they meet someone shorter in person I've seen it firsthand it goes out the door it's like when they're on social media Tinder there's so many options they have to do things to filter they're going to be like a minimum there's something on there they're trying to vet but yeah I think I think it just depends on on the girl or the guy in the situation but no I've never I've never been well I tell you I've had a lot of people in my life come to me and say when I first saw you or met you I hated you but after I got to know you I realized I was wrong and so I think that sometimes I might look like a guy that used to pick on them in high school or something and I was the nicest person on the planet in high school like I was class favorite like I was at my 10 year reunion it was one of the best days of my life because people would come up to me and they said you were very popular but you're always nice to me and it means a lot and it was just like one of the best days I've ever had in my life because it was very fulfilling to hear that you know 10 years later but I have had people judge me based off of my appearance and come to find out later it wasn't positive I mean I think my height was probably included in that I definitely think like from seeing you online and also seeing you in person you are a bit intimidating I would say based off of your stature based off the muscles and also based off of like just the way that you walk and the way that you show yourself I've been told that a lot and on top of that your stare is very like when you look at me your eyebrows they Furrow and they kind of sit low on my forehead and you're like like lazy very serious very serious it's just an intense look which I personally I don't have a problem with but I'm trying to understand is that something that you learned over time like through business you had to have this intense eye contact or have you always had this level of focus well it was probably construction probably Amplified it and then also [Music] um I do think it's very important to like let people know that you're truly like I think you can shake a man's hand and look him dead in the eyes and he'll know if you're a snake or not because if you can't look them dead in the eyes how can he trust you in my 20s when I'm shaking some 55 year old white guy's hand and telling him I'm gonna hit his schedule and I had to do that to be able to get a contract for a metal building or to hang these steel jobs um yeah it's probably something that I acquired just out of necessity because I was the youngest guy in the room and I was lucky because I was tall because I looked like a grown ass man you know coming coming because I play college football and so I came into my business man I was you know six four two forty you know six three six four I'm a little over six three barefoot you know like six three and a half Barefoot and um and so yeah I think it was an advantage grow a little bit of a beard out and just little people dead in the eye especially in the construction meetings because every Tuesday in commercial construction you you know have a subcontractor meeting I was very often the youngest guy in the room and so I had to use kind of a quiet disposition in body language to be able to set the tone with basically a room full of men that are older than me been doing it for longer than I've been alive on top of being in shape what would you say are the next things that guy should put high up on there I would say value tier list so it's like getting in shape would be like s tier top tier like I'll put these two next to one another actually is it really important but your financial education huge obviously like guys like you I agree with that you know and then understanding female nature truly understanding it understanding hypergamy understanding frame explain hypergamy sure so hypergamy is is kind of like an evolutionary theory that women will monkey branch socioeconomically across or up only and that if they're in a position where they could monkey Branch up is most often the time they would leave you I want to be very clear that I'm not talking about how to pick up a woman I'm not talking about how to like hey girl what's up how to text I'm not talking about any of that I'm saying understanding female nature and understanding frame with a woman I think is very important I think that as much as people want to promote bad [ __ ] culture that a strong stoic not very emotional understands what he wants is very direct takes the lead opens the doors takes the male role fully and a man that understands why that's so important is a man that has a really good opportunity a really good shot at having a long-term relationship I believe that when a woman loses respect for you she stops loving you and why would she lose respect for you like what would cause maybe you're emotional maybe you don't provide in the way that you should maybe because you don't provide she is having to go take on a masculine role out in society possibly even working for another man and now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a woman in the workplace clearly you know how I feel about it but I think you need to have a strong understanding of a woman in her actual true nature not the agenda that's going on right now but a woman's true nature I think a woman that is not influenced by bad [ __ ] culture or by promiscuous culture Etc most often most times and even the girls that are strikingly beautiful that make a whole bunch of money I think ultimately they'd like to find a man that they can look up to that they can submit to is unpopular as that might be that they can support on his mission and be a support system to that mission and they would like a man that would be a leader to them and I think ultimately they would like to be a wife and I think they'd like to raise children I don't believe that a huge majority of women want to have these crazy careers I think there's a lack of good men out there and they have no choice even the only fans girls one thing that I'm getting kind of stuck on out of all of that stuff would be the emotionless thing not emotionless or okay sure maybe not emotionless but not super emotional right but not super yeah so for example if a woman knows that she can upset you easily and that you're gonna show emotion and act like a child I believe there should be a bit of dissonance between a man and woman not that men are better but he should be she should look up to him in some way respect respect right if she can do the smallest thing and bring him down to almost a child level where they're going to argue on argue with girls ever so what do you do if you get in a disagreement with someone that you're with then we can sit need a knee and have an adult conversation but um there's going to be no yelling so what's the just so what's the difference between that and argument it's an argument a guy that punches a hole in a wall okay a guy that slams a door you know a God that can't sit and be with her you know I I if I'm with a girl I look at it as my job to be her emotional stable Outlet I say I've said on many podcasts I believe a man's job is to be the mountain that a woman's emotional waves crash into women are more emotional than men and when men start acting very emotional in a lot of ways I believe he's telling that woman that he can't emotionally handle the situation and then she loses respect look if he has a hard time at work or something's going wrong or he takes a loss I don't think she's going to leave him but I think if he if he acts like a child and very very emotional I think she'll start to get nervous and panic because obviously he cannot handle the situation I do think it's very important for a man to be stoic am I saying that a man can't have feelings no I'm not no I'm not I'm not saying that what I am saying is that he should be the strong one I believe that the genders are different they're equal in different ways and what loads their value are completely different things and I think that's completely okay and I know that if there are more strong men out there then women could allow themselves to let go and be more effeminine and that's why I really quite enjoy helping young men become strong in every way what about the hypergamy aspect because it does seem like there is this narrative that women are just gonna up and leave as soon as they could find something better I don't think that's always true okay but I do think frame is very important like you like very non-popular thing for me I've said in the past is that my girl doesn't go on girls trips you know I'm not letting my girl go to Vegas and get drunk with a bunch of girls in a club and there's a bunch of dudes buying models all around them why would I put her in that position so we had the same uh conversation with fresh and Fit I said if my fiance wants to go they're friends it's a birthday party and it's at a club it's a girl saying I wouldn't be bothered by it I think it really depends on the situation and the intentions if it's like hey a random Friday night and it's like a recurring thing all the time it's like oh but you're not invited but there's gonna be other guys but you can't then you you kind of feel that there's something maybe up but I think there's so many innocent times where it's like hey just going out and having a good time yeah cool man I mean I I think it's Different Different Strokes for different people and I understand where you're coming from and I don't think that you're wrong for me it's a no-go did you know what I've noticed and I put hard lines in with a woman particularly around even something like that I found it to get really turned on by it it's the weirdest thing but I think it's the protective part that you're showing and I think a lot of women want to be accounted for to me it seems like they want to be desired and by you doing that or saying those things or putting that boundary it to me conveys that you're valuing them and you don't want to lose them and you want to protect it and you're going to aggressively protect it and that's the other part about to me it's just very Primal it's like the fighting thing doesn't seem like quite like protecting it's more so like I really value and they're very desired to you right very wanted right that I guess is the way and so in that particular scenario if a woman is just flat out saying no I'm going no matter what she's going to put on her sexiest dress she's gonna put on a push-up bra she can go out and she's gonna look better that night then she probably looked all week at your house around other men probably because women's attention is currency if you really understand women's nature they like attention they do that's okay but for a woman to go out dress up have her boobs out have her heels on have her legs showing in a club full of men that are nowhere near me it's no go for me but how is that different from an eye I'll give you another brand a nice watch driving a nice car in shape yeah well fitted clothes walking outside go to the mall and just why is he doing that is that to impress other guys is that probably all of the probably all of the above but I think there's a better example of this women that put a lot like bikini photos on Instagram if you're with a special dude if you're married and you have your titties out on Instagram that's a no-go and I feel like men mess up with the frame part of that um because if you're if you're putting yourself online in that way you are trying to Garner attention in some way and you're trying to get that attention outside your husband and so I can tell you that is something I absolutely wouldn't put up with either and it's it's all kinds of things there's all kinds of different ways I feel like a man can get with Byron or walk or even my would call a [ __ ] test from a woman you know but uh being friends with your ex guy friends in general there's not a guy friend that exists that doesn't want to sleep with a woman I can't it in if it were the case then why don't guys have fat girlfriends they generally don't you don't see do you have you know a guy that has a friend that's a girl is obese I don't and if the opportunity was presented to that man he would sleep with her thousand percent of the time God's play friend zone game all the time so I don't put up with any girl that I'm seeing see X's are guy friends I still don't do it your logic is to protect the woman you will draw these lines in the sand yeah establish these boundaries in order to protect the woman or to protect the relationship well the relationship you know I mean I I mean outside of thinking she's going to get mugged I mean the very obvious thing is a relationship and it doesn't mean I don't trust her Andrew is very famous for saying I trust the I trust the locks on my Lamborghini but I don't park it in the hood I trust my girl but I ain't gonna put her in a club in Vegas but see I would have also confidence in her let's say eight friends that she's going out with that they're all going to be looking over each other assuming that you know the trend group you're bro one of those girls wants dick bad one of those girls maybe two out of the eight are definitely willing to cheat and that's an energy just like the one we talked about with the hiring process I'm telling you girls night wild wine titties out everybody's looking good no bro I'm not doing it this is so far outside what I'm curious is here's an argument that I heard that actually sounds really great um which was if you can't be the man where she will always independent of every other variable pick you over every other person that exists on this planet then why is it in your best interest to continue to be with her if you have two Perfect People that are independent in their own regard they're making good money they are fully self-sufficient doing their own thing and they choose to be with each other even though they're perfect on their own that is a relationship that is not based off of any needs it's not based off of hey like you know I'll push and pull give get it's just based off I like you or I I love you for who you are and nothing more nothing less let's be together cool and I and I would follow up to that and say in 2023 that is the archetype of what a couple should be do you agree like people are trying to be two individuals that's one of them yeah I think it's a very popular one and it don't work the divorce rates are higher than they've ever been there's more single people and if you follow Rolo at all he said by I think it's like by 2040 like half of the women will be childless and not married it doesn't work no I do want to say the divorce rates because that was something I I've looked into in the past right and I even go so far as to be like statistically what has the highest divorce rates usually it's marrying young but it's also what what raises it to the 50 percent is the second third fourth marriages which have like an 80 failure rate from what I've seen people who have an education who make a certain amount of money I think it was more than like 80 000 a year who marry above the age of 25 I think the divorce rate was more like 25 30 it's still high yeah but still less than the 50 when you account for all these other variables now the other thing is that maybe they haven't been married long enough to see the divorce but they are marrying later with a lower divorce rate so far from what we've seen either way I do believe in generals and I don't believe in suppressing a person but also believe in not setting them up to be put in a bad position that's all because hey let's just meet for coffee can turn into many things very quickly especially if a man knows what he's doing but see part of me believes that like if that happens I would be so glad in a way because I like I never cheated on because I would know without a shadow of a doubt that's not the person for me without I would have had no doubts in my mind to be able to walk away very clearly like that to me seems like I would rather just that happen and move on right and I would seem like a bit of a relief in a sense okay now I know there we go you know and if she would be happier by all means like obviously I'd be upset but to me that would just be a clear signal that hey this wasn't meant to be yeah I get it I got a message from a guy today he told me said hey man um my ex cheated with her ex-boyfriend I got a DNA test but she is pregnant with my child bro how do you move forward in that he goes from hey I'm gonna meet I'll meet Kevin to I cheated on you I don't even know if this your kid it's just man there's certain lies I also feel like there's got to be red flags and they're in their micro things like Instagram posts or girls trips are there's a multitude of different things it could be you know guy friends are going to lunch with dudes like there's no way and listen I'm not trying to be this chauvinistic [ __ ] I just believe that if you're firm in these things women respect it I guess I take the approach if someone's gonna cheat they're gonna cheat regardless if you say you can't go to the club they're gonna find a way around it if that's the objective I think if a girl really I think of a girl really really loves you she don't want to go anyway I agree but I don't want to go anywhere but I think there's also self-esteem issues I think there could be issues in the relationship itself where she doesn't feel like she's gonna now I'm not saying this is justification but I could see issues in a relationship that would prompt somebody to want to go and cheat and that type of person who would go and cheat instead of resolving those issues I don't think it's a person that I'd ever want to be involved with so it just seems like to me that's a filter unfortunately you have to go through the hard way figuring out hey this is not what I want to be involved in this person is not for me I would also add to what you just said by saying women generally don't want space until they already have a foot out the door and so that would be something to consider as well just knowing what it looks like you know so that's my thoughts on it it's been really good to me man you'd be shocked you could sit down with a girl and when she sits down she's damn near liberal or or bad [ __ ] all the way and by the time I'll leave the date she's very traditional I've watched girls fall into the feminine frame right in front of me many many times a lot of women message me even now and they say look I've watched you on podcasts and you've really helped me get in my feminine frame you've made me a better wife I get a bunch of messages from women like that or asking me for advice because they're madly in love with their husband and he's maybe screwing up and like what can I do to wake him up I really love him and believe in them I think those are the best women ever as long as they're not indirectly trying to hit how are they screwing up like in what sense I'm just curious I got one today man it's uh God has an addiction problem you know and she she really loves him and she really believes in them and he told her that if they were to have a child he thinks they would turn around and I told her that that's not true that having a child is not going to change his ways then I went into fitness and I wrote her a couple paragraphs and then I sent her a voice memo about why I thought it was important that he gets sober get in shape so he can have a clear mind he probably does want to do better for you he probably does want to have a family with you but unless he gets sobered up a bit and gets into some kind of good physical condition he'll never have the energy to do so you know and so um I get messages like that quite a bit and a lot of women just thank me for almost giving them permission to be what they already are you know and you know I think each relationship has its own rules and structures I can tell you mine do and they're not they're traditional and non-traditional in a lot of ways but there's no mistakes about who the leader is and where the frame is see I tend to also think that people show themselves very early and that you could learn a lot about a person really from the first like few dates whether or not they're present with you if they're on their phones just like with your employees if they go and gossip about other people but but those are all red flags that yep I think unfortunately because people don't pay attention to they don't care maybe the other person's hot and they're just like you know I'll put up with more but you know all this stuff because hey you know what they're good looking but you know what else I'd argue sure you take the same woman you've heard a man a and she'll act one way you give her to man B and she'll act a completely other way women don't text on dates when I'm with them but I bet they text on other dates if they're not interested and that's why becoming the best type of man you can is so important so if you take religion out of this let's just take religion out of it for a second who is she gonna respect more some guy that's working valet at the hotel I'm at or Graham Stefan let's say y'all are equally attractive sure she's like man this dude's got his [ __ ] together he's got this this [ __ ] together has anything to do with it oh bro no I have status status money you're not fat so so like all these different levels of being a god a thousand percent I've had completely different experiences in my early 20s go on dates I I was driving a Lotus I had houses I was you know working a good real estate job they would much rather the dude who's having a fun time with his buddies Carefree is you know sleeps on his his friends what age is that what age early 20s right so they call it they call it the whole phase right sure so Rolo has a book called the rational mail I believe he covers it there so he's like from 18 to 27 is what he calls the hoe phase from 28 to like 35 I guess is The Epiphany phase it's the oh [ __ ] I better have babies soon I gotta start taking this serious so you were dating girls in that phase girls were leaving you to have sex with athletes in Chads and jocks and bad boys and all those other things um but All Things Considered let's say a 33 year old woman goes on a date with you and goes on a guy that looks just like you and your Graham Stefan and he's not I'm telling you right now she's putting that phone away because it's about the man you become yeah the world treats you differently so what if you're what if you're on a date with a woman in that phase which phase explain it which phase you talking about like an 18 year old like I'm 24. cool it's the woman I'm dating are within that age range I got a hack for you you just provided here's the hack okay date women 28 to 40. I would probably those [ __ ] got snacks bro but I would prefer they're the best they've been divorced already crazy sex they don't expect anything out of you when I was in college okay I had some older girlfriends when I was playing football in college they were like 30. I thought I was a big boss Jack wants to date you know what I should be speaking for you yes thank you thank you you're welcome so if I if I'm trying to find my person right my lifelong partner and I'm dating women that are in that age range how do you discern whether or not they're a subscriber of that ideology right of that phase or there's someone that's actually looking for their lifetime partner or you find someone in that phase but you try to get them out of that phase like how do you maybe bring someone out of the the whole phase if I were 24 I would not even be looking for a long time partner until I was at least 28 and I feel like 28 is pretty young because look at it for what it is you most women marry a man between six and seven years older than them already off the rip so that means you had to go down to like 18 right the problem is she has to get from 18 to like 28. she's gonna have certain feelings and want to do certain things in her life and trying to force her not to or or like it's it's it is set up for failure and that goes right in line with what you said about people getting married past 25. if I were you genuinely I would do nothing but get jacked get your money up you're already [ __ ] handsome this is to stop man bro [ __ ] you you're [ __ ] you can't even fight I slap the [ __ ] out of you right now right now stop the [ __ ] out of you but but just take this outside no problem but the point I'm making is is girls your age want me in my age most often we've built everything in our life I mean women get their value right off the top for free right out the gate they need to try their best to not be promiscuous so a higher value men later would take them seriously and people ain't gonna like that but I don't care men don't want women look at what's happening with what is it Logan Paul right now everybody's making fun of him because his girlfriend [ __ ] everybody yeah but I don't believe I don't I don't either I don't either I don't either but I'm just giving you an example of the perception of that right I actually have no idea and don't care yeah but if I were you I would put my head down and get so deeply ingrained in Fitness a go box business everything that y'all are doing and build your money and build yourself as a man because I'll tell you what's going to happen it's probably already happening to you because you're good looking and [ __ ] and you're doing things women are just going to jump in front of you so I truly believe women bet on horses they look down at the field and they're like which one of these guys are going to win and some girls are oftentimes good girls especially because your work work work work work they're just gonna jump in front of you and you're just gonna run them over and you might end up having I had a girlfriend for like five or six years in my 20s she's a bit crazy and I and I told her that I was gonna have other girlfriends and she acted like I didn't say it so I did it and she'd get mad and just back and forth but uh you know I was around her a lot and um if I were you man I truly mean this I wouldn't even be looking for a wife right now there's so much you have to do yeah and those guys that get married early they never achieve what they should have achieved and it doesn't work because he never becomes a man that he could have well I'll say from my own experience I didn't truly come into myself until I was probably 28. yeah really I was just so much I was told when I was 18. I started working in real estate and I was told people are not really going to take you seriously until you're 25. and like 25 is when it starts to happen because it starts to level out in terms of your mature it's like a mental thing about that age too yeah I think it was just relating to other people in such a way that you you couldn't do before the age of 25 because you haven't had the experience but even me at 25 like I was insecure I would overthink everything I wasn't sure of myself you didn't have enough experience no I didn't and you and you're going to need a lot of experience with women you're gonna need to see how they act you know you're gonna need to go through relationships sleep with someone I mean I'm not saying you're not doing that but you know like experience the different parts of the relationships with the girls I just wouldn't want to see you get your heart in and I'll tell you another thing a guy like you particularly I'm not trying to be your Mentor right now but I'm just using you for anything go ahead a guy like you that's ambitious that's going to do a lot of good stuff you might settle for a girl based off the man you are today when you're going way up here and then that's going to create a whole nother problem for you because the girl you can really get at your maturity let's say between 33 and 35 it's probably going to be substantially better material probably more beautiful probably a lot of things better than what you can get today and I just believe that to be true and do you believe though that there's value in having someone come up with you and building that shared thing not necessarily I think that's a bit more of a pipe dream my parents met in high school my dad was a senior my mom I think was like a junior in the 70s or the 80s bro 80s yeah all right Jackson hey I I don't really have any rebuttal to that that's not this water yeah go for it thanks bro I don't drink water it's just coffee he's he's insane horrible he doesn't drink water I I kid you not he drinks no water I do in the protein shake okay just a protein shake Optimum Nutrition I don't know how easy bro it's coffee's water here's the thing about your parents man in the 80s your dad might see one woman every now and then in a Walmart parking lot that's beautiful he can live in the same town with her for the next 20 years and might not see her again right but now yeah yeah it's over it's over bro and on a daily basis you're going to be getting compared to other men so a couple of comments uh about this whole conversation so being in the dating pool I've noticed certain girls look for certain things not every girl is in that phase some girls are not some girls clearly aren't based off of the evidence or my own personal experiences and stuff like that um I would say laugh everybody's a little bit different Different Strokes for different folks there is this phase yes that does exist I have seen it uh but also there are definitely other people that are candidates that are good open-minded people and I do think that there is some Merit in growing up with this person because you don't necessarily want somebody to like you just based off of external factors such as how much money you have right I think that's such a small component in terms of money because there's always going to be someone else with more money always yeah I think I think more internal values such as are you an honest person right are you punctual uh can you rely on this person stuff like that are better and stronger foundations to build relation successful relationships off of rather than other things that sure could be indicators of those traits but such as wealth such as I don't know maybe like fancy shoes and stuff like that you know on a scale of one to a hundreds what percentage based off of where you believe you're gonna land as a man do you feel like you're already developed I mean that's funny because when I when I was like 19 I thought I was at like 70. and I was just thinking about this a couple weeks just like a [ __ ] 19 year old yeah uh I hope low uh I hope I'm at 30. uh maybe 20. but realistically I would say I'm at maybe 40 and there's a bunch of things that you don't know that you don't know yet myself included I think it's best for a man to try to develop and really get a grip on his life who he is what he wants because well all I want for anybody that either watches my content whether that's my kid or for somebody I love or a friend is for them to have choice you know and there's a lot of developing to do before you can even get to a place where you actually know what you want in the first place and what that looks like for you you're going to change a lot in the next five years I agree astronomically and what might look good to you today might look horrible in five years and so if you were married it could it doesn't really set you up for success and I think that's why the the failure rate is so high now if you were 35 and she was 25. then maybe you know you're in the ballpark but I wouldn't do until I was in my 30s for sure I think some of it is coming into who you are knowing who you are yeah a thousand percent self I think makes you attractive to more people so that you have more options to pick from but it's not coming from a place of scarcity it's really like you know I want to be with you not because you're the only option but because we get along together but people can also fall for that at 19 when he thought he was 100 there and his chest was poked out he can talk like a very confident man who knows what he wants he sounds decisive he didn't know it all and neither did I and I can tell you right now I'm still developing as a person I don't even know what percentage I am I I hope it's less than 70 for damn sure hope it's 60. I hope I have a lot of growth left in me um but you at 24. man you're going to do so many things and you're going to grow so much I from 24 to 30 for me huge deal from 30 to 35 it's probably 10x that let me ask you objectively I'm 33. what growth did you see between 30 and 35. stress tolerance the businesses were growing I got down a million bucks one time I should have went bankrupt um I started to see what was important to me I made big money for the first time and bought things and did things and really got to experience like full cycle like my Lamborghini is cool I wouldn't trade it for my Ford and it doesn't make my life it doesn't make me happy growing makes me feel happy so I have to learn these things about myself where are my weaknesses how can I fill in those weaknesses you know everybody has weaknesses the more you understand yourself the better you can build the castle around you right because I don't want to hire another person like me I'm me I need people to cover my blind spots where am I not confident what do I don't know that I don't know you know what mentors can I build and learn from how do I want to align with the values of other people and do I feel confident in my values it takes a lot of confidence for me to come on the internet and say some of the things I say knowing the amount of hate I'm gonna get for it but I know who I am and I'm okay with that because my real life is so good there's nothing anybody could ever say to me on the internet that would make me even look twice they can call me whatever they want my life is incredible I am genuinely happy and it took a lot of pain to get there and took a lot of understanding of myself and it took a lot of even forgiving myself on things that I might not be as skilled at or disciplined at and so I set up structures to make up for those things because ultimately I want to win I want to have choice I want to be an honest person I definitely want to be myself because if I can't be myself I can't even respect myself when I'm being something fake to somebody else just so they'll like me I'm one thing away from them not liking me anyway so [ __ ] them if you ever lost a job because someone sees you online they see the company that you work with and say I don't want to do anything to do with this guy yeah I've had that happen with you know Andrew I have but I don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ] down because for every person that hates me I feel like I get 100x people that love me for who I actually am yeah someone loving you for who you actually are is a lot more powerful than 100 one person is hating you yeah like yeah more than 10 people who like love you for maybe who they believe you are but it's not actually who you are right and those people don't even actually know me case in point the whole phone call we had about me coming on here and the risk it is to you I respect that I really do I don't have a problem with it at all I'm just glad I got the opportunity for you to get to know who I am I'm sure there'll be a negative comment on the video if you post it and if you don't then I've still enjoy the hell about spending time with you guys and I've been wanting to meet you for a while so it's good to me but there's no way I can walk out of here and not know that I gave you myself and as long as I give myself to you whether you like it or not I was true to myself and I believe that if there's what eight billion people on the planet bro if I can have two billion people love me for who I actually am other 6 billion could hate my [ __ ] guts because it's very rare that you have that many people or any amount of people actually love you for you you actually are and I sleep with no skeletons in my closet and it's a very free feeling for me and I'm able to tell people the truth all the way there's a lot of people that live a life where they can't even be their full self because they're too scared about what other people are going to think of them I can tell you not having that feeling is like having a load taken off of you like nothing else and a lot of people believe that there's nobody out there that'll love them for who they are for whatever reason and it's just not true the good thing about 2023 is that you can go find a group of people that believe in in what you believe that you're kind of like your souls align with and once you have just a small group of people that love you in that way for exactly who you are everything else would just be noise and I'm very lucky in that way and I have genuine happiness because of it because I don't have to lie to anybody no and I'm very grateful for that I feel very lucky and very blessed to have that in my life and I had to get to that and it took me about 34 years to do it what pushed you over the edge of getting to that what happened at 34 where pushed you over the edge a little bit I really struggled with guilt all throughout my teens and 20s I felt like I had to come out of the closet and tell everybody that I was not gay but I really liked women and I didn't particularly ever believe in you know a man like me being monogamous I just didn't and I was so scared that people are going to hate me so much for it and people do hate me for it my issue with that is that if I were to tell you that I'm gay I would be automatically protected but if I tell you hey coming out the closet I'm super straight I like women I'm gonna tell them all the truth but I'm gonna have a bunch of girlfriends and a wife and a family and all this other stuff people [ __ ] hate you for it but so many men have a wife and a family and they're watching PornHub every night or they're slipping around with their secretary if I'm nothing I'm honest and I give people the opportunity to leave if they want to choice the only thing I want for myself for my kids for my friends for my family and particularly the people I love and so if they choose to stay with me after I've told them the truth or they choose to be with me when I tell them the truth I'm not a bad guy now it might piss people off but again if I were homosexual I would be celebrated I'd be a hero but if I tell the truth about my sexual preference I don't have sexual discipline it's crazy what do you say to people that say that that you could be more disciplined and just like you were about sexual things yes yeah cool not being awesome yeah I get it if there's a pizza sitting on this table right now and you were on a diet and I wasn't and my preference was to eat pizza but I still have a six-pack is it discipline or do I know how to intermittent fast do I know how to have what I want in life it's a preference I'm not insecure I don't need attention from I like it so you're saying because it's not hurting anybody it's not hurting your wife it's not hurting your girlfriends they're all fine with it right there's no sacrifice that you're actually making aside from these other people's perceptions that you may not even care about in the first place first of all my wife helps she's a fan we bring girls around you know oh and oh and by the way before everybody starts hating on me go get a man by himself and be like yo bro if your wife said that you could bring a smoking hot 22 year old blonde over and y'all could both do it would you do it if he tells you no he's a [ __ ] liar you know it's a liar okay I don't know man I mean I will say that I I don't I couldn't do it I'm I'm like one person I just bro in the 90 percentile 90. let's say he says no bro what percentage of men watch porn is a high percentage you think it's all those guys oh no I think it's almost every man almost every man are you telling me if you had a girlfriend she was like Hey I want to bring Shelly over we won't want to have sex with you you would be like no I don't know it's never happened well you need to have a threesome and you need to get in a fight let me you know what's actually really funny uh so I was talking to this girl can I just say something I'm so sorry I don't mean to cut you off yeah yeah that doesn't make you a man sleeping with a bunch of women doesn't make you a man what makes you a man is that you know who you are you stand behind what you believe you don't put on a mask or tell people what they want to hear so they like you and you do what you say you're gonna do and you're loyal to the people and the commitments that you've made you can be ethical and find the people that will accept you for who you are arth is also good qualities that you'd like in a woman too everything that's most of your time we're just talking I know but what makes a man I'm just saying I think it makes I think it makes a solid I think it makes a solid person I'll tell you another thing I don't do and I think it's super lame when I see people do it they'll start their comment on YouTube with a real man would who the [ __ ] are you to take somebody's man card from them these people have no photos on their on their account they're probably fat as [ __ ] I could be like a real man's in shape a real man is a millionaire I would never ever ever attach or say to somebody they're not a real man I think that's a dumb ass thing to say you know and I don't need the ego boost of like taking their manhood from them it's like if I were to tell you you're not a man because you didn't have a threesome it'd be the [ __ ] most asinine thing I could ever say to you or that you didn't get in a fight so you're not a man that doesn't mean you're not a man I don't Define what makes you a man you do and so I think that's I think that's a really great point I think for a man and a woman but it's really just a solid person you know like we're not always like I can very clearly see that we don't agree on this subject right but I've absolutely enjoyed and loved this conversation and really like you both you know what I'm saying so like why do we why would we not be friends just because I like to have a couple chicks to the house like the hell out of here I'll also never stab you in the background I'll tell you another thing I'll never do I'll never look at your wife crooked or do anything other than say Graham is a [ __ ] man when you go take a piss because that's what a real friend does for me a good friend a loyal friend you know I'd rather punch myself in the [ __ ] face and hit on your wife you know what I mean because if we're friends and I have no honor then what am I good for you know I can be disciplined as hell on on this subject you know if I need to be case in point a friend guys Lose Friends all the time we've had for 30 years because they don't have any options in their life and they get close to that that girl that that was married to his best friend and then he ends up sleeping with her bro you don't have many friends in this world my favorite line from any movie in history is in Tombstone there's a there's a shootout guy at stock holiday he's like holy [ __ ] man why'd you help him he said because he's my friend and he goes man I got a lot of friends and doc said I don't that's my favorite line of any movie ever because Doc Holliday understood that in life you're going to have a handful of friends anybody that believes they have more than just a handful probably doesn't have any at all and that loyalty is something that like I really pride myself on having and I've gotten a good opportunity to take up from my friends recently and I feel very lucky to be able to do it being a good person like you said I think it's almost a bygender thing you know it's being true to yourself what are some of the questions you think the viewer should ask themselves that could be productive to observe so I think for example people should always question their relationship with finances question their relationship with money ask themselves questions about how they feel about spending money on this versus spending money on this versus saving and stuff like that that's a good one ask themselves questions about their relationships such as their friendships why do they value their friends what do they value in their friends are those good values period people that they're dating parents Etc what are questions you think the viewers should be asking themselves I think all of those things that you just said are incredible I think that some of the questions should be based off of where you are in your life like every person has a life cycle every business has a life cycle every career has a life cycle I would ask myself not for competition's sake but maybe how am I doing in comparison to my peers what can I do to get ahead what am I doing on a daily basis to set myself up to be successful later am I in the right career path what is the guy 20 years ahead of me that does exactly what I do what is his life like do I want that life I think that's one of the biggest ones you can ask yourself I remember I was one of the youngest members of the metal building contractors Directors Association and I'm sitting there and everybody's like 25 years older than me and I'm looking around at these guys and I asked myself I said do I want this guy's life some of them maybe a lot of them have like heart attacks and [ __ ] construction very stressful I was like I'm gonna buy real estate very quickly in the second I started making money I just started buying it and um the reason I did that is because I looked at their lives and I said man no disrespect they're very help helpful and a lot of them are millionaires I don't know that I want this life not for another 25 or 30 years so what do I want for me it was freedom and so I started looking out there for people that were living a life that I thought I might want to live and I think it's very important that when you're looking at these people don't make the assumption that you're special don't make the assumption that you're going to work harder than them don't make the assumption that you're smarter than them because more than likely you're going to run into the same punches that they did and evaluate their situation do they make the kind of money you want to make are they in the right business vehicle to make that kind of money do they have the freedom that you believe you're going to want you know do they have the stress you know do they have the relationships that they want or is we're stressing them out so much that they bring it home there's so many things you can learn about where you're going from the people that are already doing exactly what you believe you want to do and if you just don't think you're special and you look very closely at all those layers of it you could reset your trajectory long before you're too late because it's just like you guys know if you tilt a plane just five ten percent in in New York City by the time it was supposed to land in San Diego it lands in San Francisco my main question for myself outside of like my personal Integrity myself and everything we've talked about being who you actually want to be would be looking at the people that are 20 years ahead of me and asking myself if I want their life and for me I didn't and so I had to make small adjustments how did you start buying real estate what was the main focus on that was it purely just you want cash flow you want to retire you want something to fall back on what was the motivation you know it was really really important to me with real estate is that I didn't want to be that guy that made a bunch of money once I was actually scared of that I don't really care that much about the cash flow at all I really care about the appreciation because I'm probably gonna do the whole buy borrow die thing anyway trust it um and so for me I want to be rich for sure don't be wealthy wealthy's you know the difference between being rich and being wealthy is one of them is destructible one of them is not actually Brandon Carter asked me lately do you have a money goal and I said no the reason I said no is I really have a layers goal I want layer on top of layer on top of layer on top of layer of income that way I know that no matter what happens in any climate any condition anything that comes up for me I'm impenetrable so here's what that is like what your definition of wealth is and what that income layer is for you well as far as income goes [Music] um I mean to be quite honest I don't need to make hundreds of millions of dollars I probably will on at the rate that I'm going and I plan to develop more and do more things because I genuinely like the game and the Chase and the climb of business but I think the happiness thing I think they've done studies on this it's like somewhere at like two million dollars a year you're not much happier until you get to like maybe like something stupid like 10 and then that that amount of happiness is super small Lopez I learned more about that from Tai Lopez and I have anyone else he said that you don't want to be the dude making like 20 30 million dollars a year because that person's taken all the hits they're taking all the criticism they're taking all the liability it's the people making one to three that have the best work life balance they're making enough to pretty much buy whatever they want but they're flying under the radar in terms of you know being a punching bag right taking on he said that most people were the happiest in terms of that upper bracket one to three yeah so what is it for you last year made about five um and you know you know what's very humbling about that to me I met guys like Ed Marlette dude has an island you know what I mean like and I somebody told me the other day it was a negative comment they're like they said something along the lines of like you're not any effing Elon Musk or Steve Jobs and I said you know what you're absolutely right and I think that it's important for the young people to really understand this is that there is such a huge gap between me and that person that person let's say they make 75k a year and I make my 5 million or whatever I make or 3 million or four or seven or whatever it is below 10 I might never never be Steve Jobs 100 million 200 million billionaire Amazon right but I can tell you that the Gap and happiness between me and zoc is probably pretty small with less pressure but the gap between me and the person that said that comment is Light Years so what is your ideal net worth or monthly income that you'd like to strive for like I said uh it's a layers thing for me you know um I'd love to keep making what I'm making right now sometimes I pitch myself and I'm like man there's no way I keep doing this forever you know you know because the bit one of the one of my main businesses in this Prime the steel company and everything we're doing online it keeps growing and growing and growing the real estate portfolio can you share how that's broken down if you have as Jax is a pie chart yeah you have your income how is that broken down between the businesses I'll make around four in construction and I'll make one to one five on the internet and then I'm pushing everything back into the properties because I don't like the debt atmosphere right now so I want to drive as much Equity as we can into the properties to reduce the impact of debt service at you know six percent rates or an eight percent rate and then some people are holding i o for us there's a balloon coming up and I want to be very very Equity strong when that refinance comes sure now why would you make less in the construction business because it seems to me I'll make more I make the most in construction yes but I'm just saying like over time over the next 10 years because you're afraid well I'll tell you I'll tell you seems very stable outstanding career I'll tell you why is I don't think construction's brick and mortar it's not near as explosive as the internet and it's also very eat what you kill I don't think I'll ever start another business where I don't get a lifetime return on investment of energy or at least a very long one right so let's say you hold a property for 20 years and maybe you exit are you hold and borrow against Equity Insurance Company would be a great example like I've talked to Ed about possibly starting an insurance company myself you know because once you get a client you're going to have them for quite a while construction is very much bid hope you make money one time then hunt hunt I don't think I'll start another business that is one hunt one kill and then back to hunting ever ever again seems like you do really well training people how to do construction or some sort of learning some sort of online you know education company on kind of like gym launch but for construction yeah because I don't as far as I'm aware that doesn't really exist like a network of contractors people that want to get into the trades like if I want to be an electrician I'm sure it exists I'm just not aware of it I would love a community of other like-minded electricians that we could work together grow together you know if I get a referral I just don't have the time I can bid it out to someone else I could refer that if it's in a different area there's a network of just bringing people in those people will be so valuable those people exist those groups exist they're just in person okay and they're ran by like 60 year old white men I mean it seems like to me that's your perfect well I'll tell you why I'll tell you why is because there's a lot there's a lot of growing pains in construction and then also right now as for now Andrew and I made a deal that we would work together on what we're working on and so I'm not going to go back on that deal you know he's been really good to me we're Team and that's how I look at it so it's very easy decision for me not to do it I get asked to do it all the time and I do think I'd make a [ __ ] ton of money but there's other ways to make other businesses and one thing that I really like about the social media thing is that I'm acquiring very very good talent and what I love about having a brand is it creates a whole different relationship from the start of working with somebody previously in my old life if somebody came and worked for me it was very much kind of a I almost say mercenary completely different from the people that want to come work for me now because they know who I am they know what I'm about they they all it's like they already have the core values they already want to jump in and bang and row the boat and take it places they already actually like the guy they're working for which is a very uncommon situation in this world and so if I can keep a choir and talent off the internet if I can continue to buy properties if I can continue to work with people I care about and there's a purpose and a mission behind it you know you know what's so crazy to me is that I get stopped like 20 30 times a day for photos now which is very new to me but what I've noticed about it is instead of saying hey like like an athlete or an actor hey I saw you on the show or hey you know I see that you play for the Dodgers they're stopping to tell me you changed my life what you say matters and I enjoy being a part of that movement and me and Andrew have done a lot of that together it's very fulfilling to me and so for now until either things change or they never will who knows or we do something else I quite enjoy it and the money ain't bad but more importantly I'm really helping people and unlike real estate and construction when you hit a schedule you give somebody a roof to put over their head the people that I'm helping now actually genuinely appreciate it in construction no news is good news in real estate in real estate not having a big rent roll of people that haven't paid you or is good news so no news is good news in those businesses and so when it comes to online or teaching people how to be a contractor um I just don't feel like it's time and it might never be time sure it's funny anytime the property manager calls me you're like because I know something's broken like automatically and they could automatically fix things I think it's up until like 500 bucks so I know automatically it's more than 500 yeah they call me it's dare but it's an awful feeling bro okay so we just bought this mobile home park man and I guess the old owner would let people pay like on the 25th of the month and they're just constantly a month late I see a rent roll this morning of like it was like 16 Grand that we have not collected now we're still cash flowing yeah but we should have been cash flowing 22 Grand where where was the property it's in Louisiana it's in Louisiana yeah yeah but it's just you know people have to get used to the new management the new systems you know I've noticed they have like older landlords they don't care as much especially they don't because they're always there they're cutting the grass the property's paid off oh yeah there's less of a concern they value the Peace of Mind than collecting a little extra yeah or making them do it on time sure he doesn't he doesn't want it he owns an electrical company really cool dude I really like him a lot um really really smart man you really turned that park around it's really nice he so really it was a really in my opinion like a very fair exchange he like tripled his money over tripled his money but it's still a strong cap rate it's still good after Debt Service bro it was like it's got to be bro it's removal it bro it's like 12 yeah yeah and The Debt Service on it is like 16 but if if we get it 95 and everybody pays rent on time with cash flow 20 22 Grand a month you know it's worth it now the balloon would come up you know because he's doing IO for us so we have to go into traditional financing but um I'm actually super hoping in the next couple years kind of goes the other way I don't think it could go very much higher now I think it could kind of get staggy you want interest you mean interest rates to go down I'd love to see them go down yeah I think everybody would yeah and I don't know but even if it doesn't yeah even if it doesn't these properties I think people make a big mistake by looking at cap rate I don't I don't I mean cap rate's great cool you know how the property performs but I think a big mistake that you can make is not understanding Debt Service and like understanding where the debts go and when it's going to balloon even in the cycle even in the long like if like you ever watch the ray dalio video long term short-term debt cycle yes kind of like understanding where you are in that long-term short-term debt style debt cycle in regards to whether it's a five year or 15 or a seven year whatever the balloon is like even now I'm gonna constantly be shopping debt you know it's just something I want to do and then insurance is just just everything about it so um yeah it's a the only thing that's nerve-wracking for me is Debt Service really because cap rate's cap rate if you're not emotional you know yeah and we're always going to be raising the rents isn't that risky though that Indie event interest rates end up going up five years isn't that always the risk not if you lock in if you lock in now then your biggest risk is not maintaining a property or having the area deteriorating value yeah are you getting how long has it been since you bought a commercial property never bought commercial and so this is commercial yeah so I can't get this fixed right 30-year you know maybe you could still fix Seven Ten Years yeah that's what I just said though yeah and so it's like okay where are we in seven years you know where are we in three years because some of my balloons come up in three now the good news about the ones that come up in three is we have extension options on them to extend where they make more money we try to offer like a couple different offers well I think I think the difference here is that you're doing it seems like interest-only balloon payments yeah they are which so it's lower money up front more cash flow up front way risk of five years from now what happens when that resets versus doing you know yeah I get that or you know something for 10 years and it the interest rate could could bump up a percentage based on yes sir but it's certainly better than taking an eight percent interest rate from the bank right now because I believe if I had to bet now I'm not super bullish on this I think after the election and I don't think it's going to be a lot just a little bit like a point or two but that point or two is huge people don't understand how one point is to a property one percentage point and to lock that in like to it's a I think it's been analysis I think one percentage point equates on average it's between eight to twelve percent of the properties value yeah which is crazy yeah so a million dollars one percent all of a sudden it's a hundred grand off one thing that I'm making for certain that I'm doing is that I have no refinance penalties and um that makes me feel good because I do believe through and I'm also telling the banks like listen you're giving me this loan you're not giving me a penalty I want to refinance with you just give me the going rate what's out there right now so we'll see what I'm very excited about the cash flow um there's definitely work to be done there's some cap like I bought 64 apartments in December and there's definitely capex the mobile home parks that we have in Ohio are are doing well and I feel good about that and it's really just about getting all the systems all the way in yeah and uh getting the plane off the ground here's an interesting question because you grew up in a in a trailer park right yeah I lived in four on it so I lived in them on and off yeah what is that like for you owning a trailer park having grown up in one there's a country music song called I'm gonna be somebody someday uh one of the first things I did was get in my truck and drive through that Park listening to that song you heard it no oh yeah you should you should it was it was good for my soul man it was everything I ever dreamed of like I always dreamed of you know making enough money where I could buy real estate I own the neighborhood bro I own all of it there's 60 trailers in there I see all those mailboxes I own this place it's not even about the money yeah you know I'm not even pocketing the money it it's about the achievement you know to me and the fact that I know that I'm taking care of my future in such a solid way with such a solid asset you can touch it now plenty of crypto but I'm not I'm not as proud of my cryptos I am my real estate yeah because it was always my goal you know before YouTube got big real estate was like Bigger Pockets you watched your stuff uh it was the only it was the only thing I knew and people forget this we talk about subscription-based models that real estate is the OG of the subscription-based model it's like the OG and I don't even meet many people in the self-development space or people that want to get better that don't say they want to own real estate I actually did it it means ever it means so much to me and it's completely not monetary you ever see kids in the trailer park and think you know that was me at one point and want to help them out I have that moment yeah I have that moment um I don't really think like I'm open to helping them I have the I remember that you know and also have the thought like they can get out of here you know and it's up to them to realize that or not they were to come up to me and ask me um which one thing that I haven't experienced yet is that one of my tenants know me you know with a lot of people that know me now um I'm sure it's gonna happen and I can't wait to unload onto that um because it's probably gonna be a young man right I can't wait to sit him down and tell them I'll sit right there on that porch with them and tell them they can do it because I believe it because I've seen it all lived it and um and I know it's true it doesn't matter where you come from or what it is like you if you can flip it into a strength somehow that it makes you stronger then you can achieve anything you want how do you think that made you stronger like what was life like growing up in a trailer park how is it different from an apartment or a house I lived in bad Apartments too like remember when I told you I lived in a neighborhood where I was kind of like the only white kid that's why I never I'll never let a person tell me that race is the reason why they can't make it because I know too many people of too many different nationalities and I believe that real love is dark and if you really love somebody you'll shake them and tell them the truth even at the expense of them getting upset with you I'll never let them say that because they're short or tall or Muslim or Christian or atheists are black or white or Spanish that they can't achieve what they want to achieve in life because I believe that the only people that believe in race are all these other things are the ones that you're either not willing to do the work or want to get affirmation that they wouldn't have made it anyway but I don't believe that and I want there's two like I have a clip that went really viral about me telling a black girl that suppression is [ __ ] and believing in races for broke people and I got a lot of support from the black community because of it and my point was is there's too many young black men that follow me that look to me for advice there's no [ __ ] way I'm gonna let you sit here and say that not in front of me these young men can do it and I know they can because I know a bunch of women like bro Brandon Carter if Brandon Carter is not a winner [ __ ] I'm not a winner you know like if that dude's not a winner Myron and Walt look what they've done in their lives I've got teammates from college that have done amazing things they're black guys there's no [ __ ] way I'm gonna let some 15 year old kid believe he can't succeed in life because he's black I grew up in his neighborhood too for a little while and I grew up in trouble so [ __ ] what you know it really goes back to like what are you are you gonna take control of your life I always say the best day of a man's life is a day he realizes that nobody's come to save them if he can know that and feel peace about it and almost be excited about it because he gets to go fight his own Heroes Journey he'll win if he can accept it 'll win because you take entire responsibility for your life too many people give up responsibility in your life so they point the finger at somebody else if you take all of it even when it's not your fault I've had to do this so many times to clear around hiring you take responsibility for everything regardless of whose fault it is or the market or a race or religion or who's present I'm gonna give a [ __ ] who's President I'm gonna win no matter what your blind grandmother could be president I'm gonna win I'm gonna get up I'm gonna go to work I'm gonna do the same thing I did yesterday because I know what I'm gonna do I agree with that and I would just I just refuse to let a young man believe that based off his skin color it's [ __ ] and if I really love them I could say the politically correct thing like yeah I know you know you're so suppressed it's so sad [ __ ] bro you can win and I'm not gonna sit you can get mad at me if you want but I love you enough to tell you the truth because that is the truth and I know too many winners of all ethnicities all Races religions for me to say anything else and it goes right back to that thing about being true to yourself I'm not going to sit there and let him believe alive not if I can help it because a lot of people have relationships where a guy's [ __ ] up in their life and they're supposed to be friends that guy walks out of the house at let's say a group setting and they talk about how that guy's [ __ ] up that's not love is taking that [ __ ] in the back room like hey bro you're [ __ ] up and I don't care if you're mad at me you need to fix this [ __ ] now and you'll stand in the fire of him being angry with you and you don't give a [ __ ] because you actually love him that's what love looks like to me and that's why I say Real Love is dark you know I'll tell you another thing if we're in let's say I just said this to Ryan today let's say me and you are on a real estate deal and I disagree with you on a subject I'm not going to disagree with you in front of him I'll wait until we get it's just me and you and I'll ruthlessly take up for you because back to the Loyalty thing back to the Doc Holiday thing I got a bunch of friends I don't I don't have a bunch of friends I got a handful of friends that put on the line for each other man so I think that's good etiquette it was Dave was it Dave Ramsey we were talking about you met Dave Ramsey yeah we did how was it actually going back a month did y'all argue all right we had a conversation yeah he's amazing he's awesome Dave is the nicest guy like I was Starstruck I got this super so cool you know it's really funny because of like the way that like I'm looked at online sometimes there's people that I assume will hate me Dave Ramsey's on that list and then I have a list of people that I really hope I meet them before before they get an opinion of me theovan's number one because I mean bro both I [ __ ] love the ovonne and I'm like I saw him I saw him when he was here in Vegas please let me meet the obon so we can talk about white trash [ __ ] and bologna sandwiches on Trailer Park porches and alligators and and [ __ ] like that before he sees some dumb clip of somebody saying I'm a [ __ ] so that's all yeah yeah there's definitely looks like do you have do you have like a like a list of people you want to meet that you've not met yet oh yeah we have a whole Stevo is on that list I really wanted I really wanted me to see it bro but he's cool as [ __ ] bro uh Rob Dyrdek so uh Tony Hawk Jordan Peterson Jordan Peterson would be on there yeah I actually said some stuff about Jordan recently yeah you know you know I I won't say I regret it but I wish I would have framed it differently because I super like him and I think he's done a lot for society I think it it did come off as though you do like him so that was just me as a casual viewer it didn't seem like you like him it was just the fact that you disagreed with some way that you could have understood what he did as hypocrisy yeah and I did feel that way a bit um and also I just that morning I watched a video because I brought it up and that's actually what I don't like about it because I think he's a great man and I brought it up and that's kind of what I don't like about it but I was watching a video I think he I watched a video about something he was saying about Tate that morning it was just on my mind and I thought to myself I'm like this guy definitely knows him you know but you know it is what it is if I saw Jordan Peterson I'd tell him how [ __ ] great he is I mean he he's a very impactful man and and I think he's helped a lot of people and I really respect him a lot I think Tom billyeu articulated very well the level of stress and struggle that Jordan Pearson had gone through before he resulted to going on antidepressants and stuff like that which is like I mean impossible to conceptualize but then but then also in all fairness who the [ __ ] am I to say that he can't get on life is hard bro if antidepressants helped him I'm not here to judge him I'm not [ __ ] Jesus you know what I mean like that's I think I think that's a great model to live by and it's something I've learned where like beforehand when I was 19 and I thought I knew who I was and who I wouldn't be I would think no I know what's better that's what I like about and I have the ability to judge other people because I think I know more than they do but then in the past couple of years I've had like dose after dose after dose of like oh this is kind of what life is like and it's hard bro open to my brain and removed the capability of judging people not entirely of course because everyone judges people it's just human nature right but like for the most part yeah I think it's speaking negatively or speaking on someone else and that was the point with Dave Ramsey yeah I think and you would have been in the room and if it wasn't him I apologize we were talking about managing style and he said one of his biggest regrets early in his career was that he uh spoke negatively to an employee that they were doing a bad job in front of other people and he should have done that in private and it wasn't in front of like a large room it doesn't matter I think it was just in front of other people and this was early in his career and he apologized to that employee later on and corrected the behavior but I think it's speaking on other people on public matters yeah maybe for them a little bit more private exactly and that's that's what I actually don't like about it regardless of my opinion because I respect the man I actually like Michaela you know what I'm saying I would love to have her on the podcast bro she asked me to come on yes dude come on yes she did no I think it's a sneak attack I think she saw what I said so I told her I want to talk to you because I want to clear this up with her because I actually respect the girl and I like her and I like Jordan well I want to get her on the phone but she was kind of cool with me she's kind of like oh we'll just email I'm just like sneak attack it might be worth it I would do it yeah maybe so maybe so man I've said things online before the great learning experience and so then they hate ten years to make it I'm not scared of it yeah here's what I don't want I my goal is to love some people and in the past a couple years I've gone on a lot of shows where it turns into like this angry thing bro I ain't angry person those podcasts will make you sound angry and I also talk a certain way you know I talk kind of aggressively I curse a lot you know and I just want to have good relationship with people it's particularly people where you know I respect your dad you know I don't like what he said about my friend but that doesn't make me a person that should be judging him and that's what I don't like and I brought it up you know what I mean but any any man's gonna any man that can self-reflect at all should be able to say that publicly I don't have any issue with that man I know who I am and I like the girl I think she's cool you know I spoke I've spoken to her previously and um I found her like I found her to be really cool man so maybe I will maybe I'll just reach out to her and just tell her yeah man but and at the very least you hear a different perspective and that's something that I've been really pushing myself on is to hear out other perspectives and pick and choose the things that I resonate myself and then incorporate them into my own life yeah and that's something that I've been definitely exploring you've been doing a good job let me just take one minute right here no we don't use it no no 10 seconds because when I met Graham and for the first couple of years I knew him he was so in his own lane and very very very just like stubborn just like headstrong he knows who he is these are his opinions and values and no one can inflict any of their like opinions or values onto him but recently he's been doing a very good job at being truly open-minded I'm very happy for him it's actually super easy for me to do it yeah um but on some of those shows it's not you know to hear somebody out yeah but um coming on these types of podcasts and again I can't emphasize enough I'm so grateful to the guys that believed in me in the beginning and brought me on their shows and I will continue to go on their shows I would just like to represent myself holistically that's all I'm saying I do think it's okay to be strong and know what you're about and know what you believe in and not have to [ __ ] on people what would you improve about the red pill space where do you think the weaknesses are there that you could help better there are some really good women in this world really good women trustworthy loyal good mothers you know um intelligent can help you make money I'm not saying the rep Hill space doesn't say that but I think by and largely there's a feeling that women are not as smart or they're not as good as men and I think that men and women are equal because we won't have any humans without women but in completely different ways and what they bring to the table and I don't have a problem with that you know I really don't and I think sometimes based on how some of the conversations go and I'm not just talk I'm not talking about freshman I'm talking about like the red pill space that doesn't get projected I don't feel that gets projected in the correct way and you ever heard of red pill rage Now red pill rages this thing that men go through when they get red pilled because they realize and they can see things they've never seen before it's very real thing I felt a little bit of it before um and I think the the full maturity of that is getting to the other side of that you know anger when you find out that maybe girls might act a certain way or maybe certain things that you but like like a lot of guys get really really hurt and damaged because they bring flowers they do everything she said they're a simp they have no frame they've watched too many rom-coms and they think that's how love works and it doesn't it's not in the real world and they get really upset when they when they lose that girl or they can't even get that girl and she goes for the [ __ ] guy and when they start to understand some of the things that the red pill space teaches which by the way is super super important right up there with understanding money is female nature to me after Fitness then they get a little angry and bitter and upset about that but I think the full maturity of it is to let them know that there are really good women out there and that you can have a good relationship and all women aren't hoes and all women aren't trash and a lot of them you can work with and make money with because they're smart my issue with it would I think that they could improve on is similar to what you said like the way that they say things implies and there's a bit of a subtext of like females or women being like inferior you know what I mean like I'm explicitly saying it but subconsciously that would be the way language language that their women are bad they're bad like language I think Tom Billy who said this or maybe it was formosi language is how you understand how Rosie is second on my list behind Theo of guys I want to meet before they don't like me yeah dude I think he's a [ __ ] but language language is his wife too that's a great example is amazing bro oh yeah she's incredible bro bruh she's a beast 100 but anyways language is the way that you understand it it's not how you're actually putting out the words and I think a lot of people can understand that language in a way that shows that women are bad and it's not explicitly what they're saying it's not which is the language what you're saying is how it says it's being is this the language I don't like is it it seems very victim mentality from what I've seen and heard from the red building so like hey you know I'm a victim of this and that let's go and [ __ ] on the women I don't enter and bicker about it like that's I slightly different disagree with that I think that they're sharing with you the things that can happen to you and what women actually want I do think that's I cannot that like I think the red pill space saves lives I really do I think it saves guys from often themselves I really believe this I know that Rolo is saying and Myron and Walt and some of the other guys that are in the space have really helped guys develop in a way and create better goals and start working out understanding what to look for in a woman so they don't a lot of guys just pick a bad woman because they don't know any better they go only off a pretty they don't know the signs to look for and for that reason Myron and Walt are saving lives bro I'm just keep using them because I'm close to them but I think they're absolutely necessary you know um that said it wouldn't feel right to me to not give the other side of red pill rage and what my experience has been and the only thing they can say to me at that point oh is because you're a chad okay cool bro but I know a bunch of guys that aren't chats that have really good relationships with women there's a lot of good ones out there you just need to know where to look and to find them and how to set your frame up with them and you also have to maximize every part of your life so you're in a position where she wants to get inside your frame because I think that's mostly what it's about a woman wanting to be inside the frame of a man one thing that you said that actually was really interesting is that you don't need to have game you don't need to be able to spit you don't need to be able to like be smooth with your words and pick up girls and stuff like that but you need to just be that guy yeah that's because when you're that guy you absorb women and they act completely different around you which I actually think is like I don't know how much women prefer to be hit on and have games spit on them and stuff like like I don't know if that makes them necessarily feel that special but if they see a dude who's just like walking through like a chat not in the way that you know what I mean but like like being that guy being that guy they're like oh you know but you know what being that guy allows you to do just be honest that's true see I think it's just being unapologetically yourself that if you own whatever you want correct even whoever's finding that attractive would be would gravitate but you know it most often creates the ability to unapologetically be yourself is to handle all those areas of your life that's actually what gives you the confidence yeah it's the woman that a young man walks up to because he learned how to nag somebody from a pickup coach and say ah you're kind of okay or you're a little fat to make her feel insecure to even out that balance that's never going to work long term but if you're that guy you can either help her get in shape or you can find a girl that you're actually attracted to and walk right up to her and say excuse me I couldn't help but notice you're pretty and it would have bothered me very badly I'd have been upset with myself if it didn't come say hello hi my name is Justin what's wrong with that because the truth of the matter is if you're going to DM a girl and say hey I think you're beautiful let's go get a drink or whatever that is or Miami or whatever a hundred guys a day tell her that and they're not that guy you could say the exact same thing to that girl and she'll respond completely differently and that's why I think the red pill is helping a lot of people because it's putting people on the right purpose to put themselves in a position to be that guy yeah well I think on that then it's also the frame and the posture and eye contact and you know so many sub Communications exactly I made the joke on it I think I said it on fresh and Fit I said I yeah like bro I can literally you know you could take a guy who has not taken care of his business in life right and he could send 100 messages that says hey you're beautiful Miami question mark could take a guy that has all of his [ __ ] together and he could send another 100 messages to that same group of girls and said hey [ __ ] and the guy that had taken care of his stuff that is that dude probably get more responses than the other guy haha you're so mean or I'll fight your just whatever you know I really think absorbing women is way better than chasing him anyway if you're that guy and you're around and you're kind and you talk to them and treat them like a person the crazy the craziest thing uh people like act like I'm crazy the fastest way to sleep with a woman is try not try to sleep with her her whole life every especially beautiful women her whole life men are either cat calling her because they're below they're probably well below her and don't think they can get her anyway they might as well swing for the fence or men are aggressively trying to sleep with their whole life she's like dodging penis you know her whole life the second she gets boobs especially beautiful women so if you sit there and treat her like she's not this [ __ ] alien because she's so beautiful like bro she's gonna like drop her hands she's like wait a second he's not trying to drop stick her ass you know what I'm saying you know I'm not going in the direction tonight yeah but no because now what you're doing is like girls are like oh this guy's being nice to me he just wants to get in my pants you know what I mean like I feel like that's a dangerous message to share as no that's not what I'm saying that's not what I'm saying what was the boom part that well the boom part is what is this in the Boom Part what is this member okay let me look yeah it is but but the point I'm trying to make is so many guys are very clearly and obviously trying to sleep with the girl trying to sleep with her if you can just treat her like a normal person not put her on a pedestal but not treat her like [ __ ] and talk to her just like I'm talking to you and get to know that person women want connection you know what I mean and if you're ever what I just thinking of Josh doing that clip right yeah that's too funny wow yeah it is bro but it is a really good analogy because men are aggressively hitting on women all the time and she's like you know if you can just be there in her space and she's like man this person's really nice to me and I don't I don't feel like he's like you know you know what the difference is it's going in with the intention of expecting or wanting something yes versus not wanting something went to a conversation we're meeting something from the other person yeah and that's why I don't believe in pickup lines because it's almost like you have your dick behind your back and you're gonna get her with it like no bro like hey you're very you look really pretty today I want to tell you it would have bothered me if I like I literally why is it always your line every time you say because it's honest because it's completely [ __ ] honest say the line it was I just said it a minute ago it's like hey I couldn't help but no shoot it really bothered me if I wouldn't have came to say hello and I felt like a coward see I would have given you my number yeah of course bro because it's also vulnerable but it's also very bold especially you're not infusing you know how it makes me want to know more well and then also remember how you set up like I have that presence yeah bro I'm looking her dead if you walk up like excuse me I do it no no no no oh this is I'm really glad I'm really glad you can talk for you man but just so glad you said that because I really do like this I'm like excuse me I I see it was on bass like there's no way she can hear me do you purposely deepen your voice a little bit I I do it loud enough and deep enough where there's no second guessing and then I'll tell you another thing that I'll do I can't think of the last time it didn't work it's been quite a while let's say you're in a grocery store women will put themselves in your space if they're interested if they're not interested in you and it's even a thought that you might hit on her she'll go the other in the grocery store I've seen so I'll be look let's say I'm at the grocery store at the gym and I'm working out a woman will I watch women do this all the time they'll come and they'll start working out like within 10 to 15 feet of me women generally are running for men so if you're in the grocery store or in the library on campus or something like that and you're a young guy and that girl puts herself in your space she's trying to tell you to do it sometimes a lot of the time a lot of time it's been my experience it's been very rare and I'll tell you another thing I do to practice that it's like once a day I try to give a person a compliment where I don't want anything that's a good that's a good I like when you say that you were supposed to talk to five strangers a day yeah yeah good yeah yeah one of them not all of them no but I didn't know I did a couple I did a couple so one of my favorite things to do is to is to particularly walk up to a woman um and and say excuse me same way it's good practice excuse me I don't want anything from you but I just wanted you to know that I think you look very pretty today and I love doing it to kind of older ladies you know make sure you look really pretty today have a good day and just walk the [ __ ] away I'll tell you a couple things that does that's good for practice it is so good for your soul man it's so good for your soul just to give somebody a [ __ ] compliment anytime I'm not feeling like there's something bad's going on or whatever I start complimenting people immediately and for whatever reason like it like charges my soul that would stick with the person for probably a few days a thousand percent you walk away especially from a tall handsome [ __ ] like me show them the bottom two ads yeah but yo once you know you're pretty but yeah man like um also have this other technique I don't know I feel like I'm teaching games and talking about fighting games like I'm trying to say what but I do have this technique called the backboard technique okay so let's say there's a pretty girl in line at the grocery store you start a conversation with the old lady in front of you or behind you or in the vicinity right so she can see you're building a rapport with like somebody that's obviously a not it's not a non-sexual thing right but that other person gives you validation that you're not a creep you know what I'm saying like you're not being [ __ ] creepy and so you start that conversation with that person and then you can Loop here and what do you think about this you know that's good and that [ __ ] works I'll tell you another thing that works I love going to Honky Tonks it's like a country bar okay you know swinging spinning the girls dancing cowboy boots I have a rule it's called first of all I really like to dance but I always say my friends laugh at me I said I don't care if she's 80 or 280. I'm dancing with these [ __ ] and one of the best things you can ever do is walk up to a group of women when there's a very beautiful girl in the group and grab that fat girl and just spin her ass and laugh and cut up and just have a or the old lady boom spinning around that girl sees you and you're putting the weird walls down and you're doing it indirectly I was at a bar this was probably like eight months ago on Catalina Island off of like bro I've been there multiple times since you've been happening on Earth bro yeah bro dude my buddy's got a sailboat go there all the time but not three times anyways I think I've actually been twice as well I went to this bar on Catalina Island I was dancing with this old woman yeah very old woman uh but I was so confident I went up on the stage and everything there's a little cage in this bar I was in the cage dancing with the old woman afterwards this girl comes up to me hey my friend really thought you were cute of course she did you're dancing it was the girl I thought was cute as well so it's a key that worked out yeah yeah a thousand percent man it works every time it's beautiful I can't dance please teach them I feel so uncomfortable bro you put me try to get a little dance lessons you put like I already I already wear tight jeans bro you put me in some tight jeans and some cowboy boots and a t-shirt on that just out of curiosity okay is this just the style that you landed on that Euro like big fan of my jeans yeah no bro I've tried so hard it's so difficult I have a 32 waist 36 long and my quads and hamstrings so why don't you just get wider pain yeah custom-made bro I've tried I've tried almost I'll tell you what happens it's like it gets weird in my crotch and I want to be stylish and it doesn't even really bother me like I get it all day long bro people hate on me so hard for that [ __ ] Bro [ __ ] them I got a world-class ass [ __ ] them I don't care you don't think that like like bro you're not gonna hurt my feelings no I'm not trying to hurt your feelings how bad is this though how bad is it let me see ah it's actually not that bad yeah I mean it's oh you do it huge butt yeah bro that's it's tight yeah it's a little tight I mean the thing is it fits it's just it's just the the inseam do you work out your glutes dude I squat yeah you do okay yeah dude I spent I spent most of my youth in a squat rack yeah the thing is when you stand up and you adjust them they don't look that tight but when people catch you in precarious situations maybe they're getting a stride or something like that and then it could really grip around the bro I'll be honest with you bro I don't give a [ __ ] yeah I really don't care then honestly I think that's what's attractive yeah I don't bro like I've tried all kinds of jeans and bro in fact if you were to go to my closet in Louisiana I better have over 50 pairs only over trying to find the right fit you know but it is what it is man I'm not mad so they're not skinny jeans these are like normal jeans no no they're boot cut jeans I thought they were skinny [ __ ] no bro they're not skinny jeans they're all no they're athletic give you guys they're athletic cut jeans I'm buying these workout jeans there's the Walmart jeans that I wear uh that are boot cut yeah bro those aren't skinny jeans I can't even give my cab in skinny jeans no you don't understand they do you know how you know how I know yeah they do a ratio whatever your waist is they do some sort of ratio to your thigh I waist to thigh ratio doesn't work you know what I'm saying now look I could go get really baggy jeans but I also look like a [ __ ] goober why don't you just wear a belt like I get scared I do but what happens is when I put the belts so I've tried this right I've tried about 36 waist so my thighs will fit but it never tailors outright and then when I put a belt on I'm that dude that has pants on that are too big and it all crinkles up and it's all right you're very custom I've done custom I've not I've never found a guy that could make it work you know and it is what it is they don't have enough fabric when they're making the pants I don't I don't know I don't know eyes large enough I don't know what it is man but you know what it's never slowed me down you know this Cliff is gonna get so many views because it's the I love Ryan pineda's haircut yeah his haircut is [ __ ] dope yeah you get to cut like once a week once a week never seen a hair it's immaculate it is Flawless that is a handsome [ __ ] oh yeah he's gorgeous thanks bro Jesus anyway um now I'm gonna get called Gay good it's perfect people call Grandma and I that all the time bro I get called all kinds of [ __ ] someone comment this like did you see the way Graham looked at Jack the other episode are they dating bro you know what's funny about that you know like I uh-oh going online you really realize how [ __ ] [ __ ] people can be or they got nothing to do like they're talking about my jeans on the internet it was funny it was funny to me what's funny to me is there's a guy that said that five comments ago bro it's not even authentic at this point to make fun of me for my jeans I get like I don't give a [ __ ] man [ __ ] you like I truly don't care but yeah man I'm still buying drains I try all the time we constantly buying jeans issues I think if you were to wear sneakers it would balance out the silhouette because you're wearing the the dress loafer and I think when you go from you know my Cowboys my cowboy boots are sleeping tapers I wanted to taper that's good Style it's good style I think if you worse like some Nike sneakers I've got Barber I've got barbell jeans I've got all these like jeans for people that work out I've just not found the right pair man and honestly I think it's a good pair of shoes I think you like it a little bit and I don't think there's a dude I do yeah there we go there we go I'm super not sorry about it yeah like I wish I could paint them [ __ ] on because I got an ass and legs that you ain't never seen bro and and I worked really hard for it and why wear jeans why not just go with the shortest leggings Nike shorts that I wear with like button-ups and not button them to like right here so my like my whole chest is out and [ __ ] it's like a Miami Vibe look and I'll wear like that white Nikes with the socks like the halfway socks like oh yeah yeah I do that [ __ ] yeah I'm sure somebody has something to say about that but that's pretty much my same response is get some of this because you know I'll work hard for this ass bro should jack unbutton that top button yeah you look like a nerd bro that's really yeah I always tell them I would do up here if I could but then if you had if you had a chest you wouldn't I'd do it just check it out got plenty of Hair there too it's like I think this looks a lot more relaxed I do too man I like it why don't you say it if we're boys wouldn't you tell me I wasn't really looking for it honestly if I don't know this it would have said something all right well now now I'll just there we go I do think that you should shave your neck I did shave my neck you know I'm talking about to hear I did no like you see all this under here oh this yeah man so so that beard can come in no no okay so my brother told me like when I first started grinding you go like this just double chin that it makes shave all that line when the [ __ ] are you walking around like this well I'm just saying because if you go right yeah if you go up too high then it looks no you should go up to it because like I would leave like a half inch underneath it so it falls under here because you're taken away from your jawline bro it like you're you're literally robbing your own jawline by doing it like that yeah [ __ ] yeah because your jaw your jawline is blending into your neck hair you need to at least come to the underneath part I can do that you should I'll try it out it's just my brother told me that as soon as it started growing up because I've just been doing that my entire life people that come to me they're like Jack you have a beard how do you trim it I say collect this go along the line no bro no you need to go like this and shave up to under your jawline and let it go right under your jawline because you have this you have you have really good beard like outline right thank you um if you were to shape like and you also have a jawline but you take away from it because it Blends into your neck yeah yeah anyway I don't know I think it's fine the way it is probably it's better it'll be better the other way I don't know what it would look like we should do it after the show do you have a razor we should get a razor I'll do it I'll do it when I go home it's yeah yeah all right so I'm very open to keep talking to you but I have to give you guys some [ __ ] gotify so I had to do a little research um and I did so you like Pokemon yeah yeah I thought so so this set came from Japan you can only get it in Japan the guy that got it had to go to Japan to get it so he was super excited about I don't know a [ __ ] thing in fact there are some kind of Pokemon tournament when I went to the place if I've ever seen an incel in real life it was probably in that room the Pokemon yeah I like Pokemon they were looking at me like I had a dick growing out of my forehead like what is this [ __ ] doing in here what's turbo chat doing it here buying after this I got to show you buying these collectors cards but these came from Japan straight from Japan never opened that's so cool yeah yeah so Paul wait so how did you get these from Japan there was the guy got them from Japan I'm like what is the most specialty thing you have and he's like bro I got this set of cards never opened I had to go to Japan to get it is this something that you're supposed to open or no I would like to open it no don't don't ask me don't ask me well thank you man that is very nice of you yeah he put up like yeah that's kind of how he was like showing off that he had it yeah you can't get this in America you got to fly to Japan to get a smart thing to do yeah do not open that Jack yeah it'll probably be worse it's worth some money now but I think it'll be worth money later thanks man I appreciate it so you my friend I really appreciate your content I've been watching it for years thank you I enjoyed it you're way cooler than I thought you'd be um but I'm not surprised anyway there's this family I know you do drums right all right cool there's this family that's supposed to be this special family and they hand make um like I guess what is it called when you hit the soap like the the metal thing symbol the symbols yeah so this one is a handmade seminal serious yes no I did I gotta show you the drums the family yeah I don't know [ __ ] about it but the family made it by hand yeah and their thumb prints is still on it so dude this is insane you probably know this family you've heard of these people Brazilian of course yeah oh my gosh yes no way yeah and um and so here I'll probably just turn it around but see if I can get here somehow all right so whoa I wouldn't I can't play with it no you can't yeah okay good yeah it was like so I guess I'll get some beef this is number this is number 14. wow what wow how are you supposed to display this I don't know I only got to find a way to frame this sick dude thank you so much thanks for the cards man that's cool man yeah he also broke a record on the uh iced coffee hour I think it's become apparent what the record we broke today what was it three hours oh yeah three hours 45 three hours 35 maybe 35 yeah second longest Brett Cooper both of you yeah she was this bro was it yeah speaking of Mike speaking of Brett Cooper bro I respect her I think she's a pretty girl I'm not like crazy attracted to or anything but a super respecter I hate that she hates me I don't super care but I know that if I would have met her in any other circumstance we get along just fine dude we should have reached out how to do a message I should have yeah we had we had Ben Shapiro on the podcast recently bro I feel the same way about him I love Ben Shapiro I like I love Brit Cooper I think it's funny that she hates me like I'm not upset about it she mentioned your jeans too of course she did of course she did like bro I'm an easy person to make fun of like and and I'm also a person that people would like to make fun of you know but I don't give a [ __ ] it's all good I still love her you know it's all good and I love Ben Shapiro so I don't care I don't have time to be hating people man just the wrong energy in the wrong direction well you know what you could put it out there there's a chance you'll see this and you never know what might happen I don't really have any intentions other than you know saying that I don't have anything against or not I like and respect her a lot and I feel the same way about Ben well yeah and Jordan Peterson so if they want to hate me they can but I'm a good person I know that and I'm very confident that if I were ever to have the opportunity to meet her and she would give me a chance to talk to me she'd like me you know we might agree on one thing or another there's no way she wouldn't like me no [ __ ] way so cool cool with that said thank you guys so much for watching really appreciate it thank you for being here thank you for coming on this has been great I've enjoyed it very much thank you sincerely for that this is INS again I just gotta find a way to frame it so thank you sounds good