Joey Merlino: Mafia Boss of the Philadelphia Crime Family? | PBD Podcast #762

Who was Joey Morino? >> I'm Cheese State guy. >> You're a cheese state? >> Yeah. >> The media says you're part of the mob. You've never been part of the mob. >> No, there's no mob. >> Why do they make documentaries and talk about you? >> That's what the media does. Like Trump says, fake news. >> So, rumor has it he was going to be the face and behind closed doors. You were the puppet master kind of making the decisions. >> What? The guy's a nut. He was a salesman. He was a good >> Ralph. >> Yeah, he's a habitual liar. If I know what guys are and I hang with him, I'm a rat. [music] They all change their lives when they go to jail. And these people are sick. But again, Joey, somebody may say you you took out seven people. No, >> I never killed nobody. >> You never killed nobody? >> No. Never. >> You've never killed [music] nobody? >> No. I was never guilty of nothing. >> You beat three Rico cases. >> I still don't know where Rico is. They named me if they're Ty guy. [laughter] >> Who the Rico? >> They killed your friend and [music] you guys don't retaliate. >> Nope. >> How do you become that noble? >> That's just the way I am. >> What is [music] it with you not liking Pat's cheese steak? He's the one that started with us. >> What happened? >> We buried him. >> Is this a real war? Cuz the people outside of Philly don't know how important this is. Political. >> We didn't go after none of them. They with us. They invented the cheese steak. >> That's what I hear. >> No, he did. I said, "Yeah, you invented it. We perfected it." And we we heard his business. He used to have lines the block long. We got the lines. We buried him. To those of you that have enjoyed the interviews I've done with John Gotti Jr., Sam Garvano, Michael Frances, Frank Colada, you know, Phil Leonetti, any of these names, you're going to love today's interview. You've been asking for this for a very long time and it's finally happened. And that's what Joey Merino, the FBI calls, and the current boss of the Philadelphia crime family. You have to hear how he responds to it when I say that. And we addressed everything. Nothing was off the table. I brought up everything that he was tied to right after his good friend uh Mikey Chens was shot and killed. And he was shot as well. Joey was shot a couple times. He'll explain to where he was shot. There was stories about seeking vengeance and I think there's seven murders tied to him and I brought it up. You have to hear I respond to that. He he brought up the recoil cases, the two death sentences he had, the 22 years that he was in prison with what that was like and it part of it is like I don't fear going to prison, I actually have a good time. So he said although I'm 64 years old, I'm 42. I'm young. I'm healthy. the the mindset of no matter how many times he was pushed to be asked on certain things. You have to see how he answered those question. He definitely wanted to talk about rats. He called a lot of people rats. So, uh uh that part of it he he was not holding back on anything. His opinions on how he felt. Now he's building a cheese steak business in South Philly that's competing with Pats and he had a lot of stuff to say. I had no idea there was a massive cheese steak war. We got wars going on in the Middle East to to South Philly. This war is more delicate and important than any of the wars going on around the world because they're they're talking about cheese steak. So, I'll let him explain to you. And by the way, I want to make you an offer you cannot refuse. And here's what it is. 51% of you don't subscribe to this show. You watch it on a weekly basis, but you haven't subscribed. To the 51% that hasn't subscribed, here's the offer. Subscribe to the channel. This allows us to get bigger interviews like this and many others. So, if you like what we do here with our show, take a second, pause the video, click on that subscribe button, press the notification, and enjoy this sitdown with Joey Merino. [music] >> Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. >> [music] >> My handshake is better than anything I ever sign. It's right here. [music] >> You are one of my son's right. >> I don't think I've ever said this before. >> So, you know, very rarely do I bring a neighbor of mine on the podcast, right? I mean, to me, you're a neighbor, right? Neighbor. We live down the street from each other. Down the street. um to the northeast of the people that know the the racetracks, you were a winning jockey back in the days, three years, 41 races, right? >> To the Fed, they claim you you're still the, you know, boss of the Philadelphia crime family. I mean, that's what they say that you've been one for many, many years. As you know, I've sat with Ralph Natali, whom you and him spent time in uh prison together. I've talked to Leonetti. I think I even had Michael McGawan on, which by the way, all three of them. Michael McGowan was the the Fed who was in the mob uh uh wars documentary which I don't know if you've seen the documentary or not. You don't. >> No, I I don't know who Michael McGowan. >> No, I never met him. >> So FBI thinks that's who you are. You know to Philly you have uh the best cheese steak maybe better than Pats. >> We got the best cheese steak. >> Yeah, it's what I hear >> in the city. >> And to YouTube you got a podcast called, you know, the skinny >> skinny uh with Joey Morino. So to me with you is I've watched every clip I can get my hands on to see what you're gonna say, what you're not going to say. I know your history. I've got friends I spoke to from Philly. Uh one of them is uh he lived on is it 2J2? He calls it 2J2. Uh we'll talk about the uh you know what areas Jackson and uh 22nd Street. >> Yeah. 22nd. >> Yeah. So he he had a lot of good things to say about you growing up. Um but I want to know this from you. Who was Joey Morino? If the average guy wants to know who's Joey Morino, what would you say? I'm a I'm Cheese State guy. >> You're a cheese steak? >> Yeah. I'm for the people. I'm a no mob. Listen, that's those movies. That's That's what they You know, it's that's what the media does. The media does it. >> So the media says you're part of the mob. You've never been part of the mob. >> No. I'm nothing. No. >> No. So So why do they make documentaries and talk about you? Why Why do they, you know, write books about you? Why do they, you know, in all these shows talk about, you know, the boss, you know, uh, uh, previously with Natali, previously with all these. Why do they talk about your own all the time? >> Natali is the biggest liar ever. That's why I got mad at you because you had him on the show. >> I had him on the show. He got very mad at him. >> Yeah. >> He's a habitual liar. He's a He was a habitual drug dealer. I I The only way he get out of jail is because of me. That's it. He would have died in jail. He got his whole family involved with drugs. He got a son-in-law involved with drugs. The guy who married his daughter. Would I want my son-in-law to deal drugs? I want my son-in-law to be a doctor or whatever, whatever he does. >> Mhm. >> He got his whole family involved with drugs. His son his son-in-law. And they were never getting out of jail. He was going to die. >> Yeah. He he he when he and I sat down, he was very critical of Leonetti and very critical of you uh uh in a big way. But he said you guys were in prison together when he became uh uh the boss if I'm not mistaken. >> Boss of what? >> Boss of the >> Yeah, I was in jail with him. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's a nut. The guy's a nut. >> What was he like? What's I mean, I know he died a couple years ago, but what was he like? >> He was a good He was He was a >> He was a salesman. He was a good bullshitter. >> Ralph. >> Yeah. >> Was he a tough guy? Was he a capable guy? Was he a known guy? >> I met him in jail. >> First time you met him was in jail. >> In jail? Yeah. I should have went to another jail. I would have never met him. >> So, you prefer never meeting him? No. >> Yeah. I wish I'd never met him. >> So, rumor has it the the the plans were, you know, he was going to be the, you know, the face and behind closed doors you were the puppet master kind of making the decisions. Uh, and then afterwards when you got out, I think a couple years later, you ended up becoming a boss. >> Is that a rumor? Is that a fact? >> It's a rumor. >> Yeah. >> How do you feel about all these rumors? How do you manage all >> me? I don't care. Like Trump says, fake news. >> Yeah. >> That sells papers. >> Listen, I me and my family, we've been in news since I was a kid. It don't bother me at all. >> I don't, you know, they say whatever they want. >> How do you handle it? How do you handle when they say this stuff? >> I don't I don't even pay attention to But Joe, you got to realize even from the outside, like I I I know what your answers are going to be because I've been watching you for of course, you know, we uh uh the story is one time we're we live six houses down from each other and I would walk the kids and I would see you >> and one time I'm driving the car and I think you know I pull up I'm like >> excuse me. Yeah. Who's this? I said, "Is this uh are you skinny Joey?" I'm Joey to you. And you pull up and I said, "Uh, I know you." And you're like, "Aren't you the guy that interviewed?" That's how our first interaction first conversation. You had the kids in the truck. >> I had the kids in the truck. Yes. I remember that. I'm like, "Wait a minute." >> You know, that's >> I was saying to myself, "Who the this guy?" I just waved. You know, I waved all the neighbors. >> Yeah. >> Goes to that area. Everybody waves, walk the dogs. >> It's a great area. No, >> it's beautiful. >> It's a great I love that area. We almost bought a couple places there. But for a guy, I've sat with most of the guys that are living guys. Even Leonetti, the only one he did was with me. and Leonetti was the under boss of uh uh working with Scarfol. Everything ties you that you were part of that life, but the only guy that and I'm trying to figure out how you're doing this. You claim you're not. The feds say they know you were and are. That's what the feds say. The streets say, you know, he was maybe got out in 24. you know, possibly the only guy that was a boss that still walks the streets. You'll walk anywhere. You'll go to New York. What's the saying that you say? >> You can go anywhere. You can go to New York. Go to Philly and nothing's going to happen to you. >> But you grew up in this life. Now, whether you claim you were in it or not, that's, you know, you can That's a speculation, but you grew up in this life and you excelled in this life. How did you get into the life? >> I was never in the life. It's just the way just growing up in South Philly. It's just the way we lived. You know what I mean? We have street smarts. You know, you got you're in the streets. You could be the greatest lawyer in the world, the smartest guy in the world. If you don't have street smarts, you ain't going to make it nowhere. I don't understand what street you got to be street smart. Like, you know, you just can't like people are I know lawyers that are the smartest like intelligent lawyers, but in court that you don't have the street smarts to get, you know, present to a jury, you're done. Bobby Simone was one of the best lawyers in Philly. He had street smarts. You got to have street smarts. >> How do you gain it? How do you >> just learn it? You know, growing up. >> Is it learned or is it DNA? Is it something that may happen? >> They I mean, a lot of people in South Philly have it, you know. It's just growing up. Respect like my my father. I mean, if I came to your house when I was a kid, if I didn't shake your hand and look at, you know, look at you and say hello, have respect for others. We were bad kids, but we have respect for others. I would get it beaten. We get we get beaten >> from your pops. >> Yeah. We got to respect him. >> Leonetti was a very complimentary of your dad. >> Leonetti is a nut. >> Why is that? >> He's a He robbed his uncle. He took all his money. He He never went to jail ever in his life. You know, the first time he went to jail, he made up stories to get out of jail. He robbed his uncle. He robbed all his money. Robbed his whole family. And I don't know where the wherever the he's living. >> Did you guys spend a lot of time together or No. >> No. Yeah, I know him. Yeah. All these rats, the only one I knew was really him. Like see all these guys that go on these shows. All of them. I Sakali, bro. I never met them or saw them ever in my life. Leonetti, I know. Leonetti and Ralph. That's the only two I ever knew. >> How much time did you spend with Leonetti? >> I lived down there. I lived down there. Sure. Like Yeah. I spent I spent time >> daily, weekly like you saw. >> I like Yeah, I Yeah. >> What was he like? Did he have Did he carry weight? Did he Was he back? Was he feared? >> It was quiet. It really was. He used to love when they called him Crazy Phil. His mother, they used to love it when they wrote the paper. Crazy Phil. They loved it. Now he's My uncle told me to do it, Phil. It's It's jail. Nobody wants to go to jail. That's the bottom line. They all change their lives when they go to jail. Just picture if none of them ever got locked up, they would never been in there. They wouldn't sit would been sitting here. They still be in He still be in Atlantic City. >> So why are you doing it? franchise still being I'm the voice for the people in jail that that got no voice. These people buried people, lied about them, put them in jail and then they go on in whatever YouTube internet make money off them. Sammy the Bull selling shirts that he killed 19 people. He's proud of it. He killed a 16-year-old kid. Nobody ever Nobody talks about that. And these people are sick. >> Have you and Sammy ever done anything together? >> No, I never I if he woke Well, I know what he looks like now. I never seen him in my life. >> Never seen him in your life. >> Ever? Never was in jail with none of them. >> Have you guys ever interacted, phone call, anything? >> No. Phone? No. >> How about Michael? >> No. I I never seen him in my life. He's another one. He He found God soon as he got locked up when he was robbing all that money and he gave it to God. >> Did Has has that ever happened with you? Did you ever have a moment where you found God or No? >> No. I mean, I'm I'm Catholic. I was an altar boy. >> You've always had it? Yeah, but these guys soon as they get locked up, Sammy just got baptized. >> I see his son. They put him in the pool. What do you think about that? >> He should have got electrocuted the >> instead of a I mean, look, look what he's doing now. >> And that's another thing. All these guys, there's there's not a way he could do it. But all these guys, they all of them, they all commit crimes. Sammy, he got five years, they killed 19 people. He didn't even do five years. He did a year. He gives that He did a year. Got out. He flooded Arizona with drugs. All college kids. Got another break. Now he just molested his secretary. Pedophile. What is >> Who's this? >> Sammy. >> What? What about his assistant? >> He molested her. You didn't You didn't read it. >> No. >> He's got a It's a civil case. >> Is she under 18? >> I don't know. Be honest. No, I don't think >> it has to be under 18. If it's like a accused of sexually assaulting employee, >> I guess. Yeah, I guess that assault an employee, >> right? >> He made her stay in a hotel one. He stuck a tongue down her throat. He pulled a gun out. You know, read it. I could have sent it to >> Yeah. So, woman who worked with Salvator. >> Yeah. She worked for him. >> I I don't know her name. Somebody sent me things. >> Yeah. I don't know these stories. >> And I got the text. I mean, he's texted or something. The guys are nut. I mean, they just keep on getting But they got a license. They could do it. You realize every day on the internet for the last two years, me and Snuff, especially Snuff, they bother him. Poor kid. He's He's an innocent kid. We get threatened every day. They're going to come. They're going to blow the cheese steak place up. They're going to beat all our employees up. If I said that on the internet, I get locked up immediately. >> What's the difference? >> They have a license. The government loves them. >> And the government doesn't love you. >> No, they hate me. >> Why is that? >> I guess cuz I'm Italian. I don't know. >> You think you're Italian? >> Yeah. If my name was Joe Blo, I wouldn't I would have never even got locked up all this many times. >> I went to jail for making a bet. Just think of that. Not bookmaking. >> Yeah. >> Not gambling, running illegal, placing a bet over the phone. I got two years in jail. They would have to lock the whole world up. Everybody bets. I got two years. The other guy, the other guy I seen the other day in a paper. He was with ISIS. He's supposed to get 20 years. They gave him 11 years. He got out in six years and he went and shot shot the people. >> Mhm. >> The system's up. >> Yeah. If that was me, I would have got the electric chair. >> Yeah. But I think I think what uh uh when I see a different case study with yours, I mean, respectfully, when you when you talk to the guys in the streets and and you get different sides of the story, you know, one of them is there's seven I think there is alleged, of course, this is alleged. Seven hits that you have alleged seven people you took out that that's what the street talks about. >> I was acquitted of every one of them, >> right? I understand that. There's seven of them that they alleged that you did that because they said, you know, one thing about Joey that you get respect from your peers is he was not only tough, he was capable. Some are capable but not tough. Some are tough but not capable. Joey was both. Meaning you didn't if some if you wanted to get somebody, you know, job done, you went and did it yourself. You're not like, "Hey, Bobby, you go do it. Hey, Jack, you go do it. You went and got and did it yourself." This is the rumors rumor, right? I never killed nobody. >> You never killed nobody. No. Never. You've never killed nobody? No. Okay. >> Uh you you you beat three Rico cases, right? If I'm not mistaken. >> Maybe four. >> Three or four. >> I still don't know where Rico is. >> I don't know what >> I had three cases. They named it after Tang guy. >> They named it after the talking guy. >> Rico. >> Who the Rico? [laughter] >> He keeps getting beaten up. Apparently, if it's uh uh so three or four times the seven uh uh alleged murders that you're saying you got to quit it on. So to me when I met with Sunonny Frances and I don't know what thoughts you have about Sunny. When I met with Sunny 30 >> Sunny or Michael >> not Michael Sunny. >> Sunny the father. >> Sunny did I don't know what his time is. I think 52 53 years. >> 60 years. 50 years. >> 60 years. >> Did a lot of time. >> He did a lot of time. What do you think about Sunny? >> Listen the guy was a great guy. Did his time. Kept his mouth shut. But when his son put people in jail, if you condone a rat, if I know the way I live, the way I was brought up, if I know a guy's a rat and I hang with him, I'm a rat. It's simple as that. I got an uncle that rat it. I never told him again ever. Disowned him. My family disowned him. >> Is this the uncle that just recently died? >> Lawrence? Yeah. No, he died. He died when I was in jail. What the when I got pinched, where was I? The county jail. I I had a murder I had a a murder murder case in Rico in Philly. One of the murders was Sadano. I beat it. The next day they indicted me for the same murder in Newark federal court. I beat it twice. 24 people found me not guilty. Two jurors. And I was in the county jail and I called my cousin Ken, which is his daughter, and she said to me, I think it was my my mother called. She said, "You got to call Kim. It's important. So I called her. What happened? She said, "My father died." I said, "Good. Your father died." Good. And they didn't talk. That's what they told me. They never talked to him. I don't think they did. I really don't. And she said, "What should we do?" I said, "Uh, what day is trash day?" She said, "Thursday." I said, "Throw them in the trash. >> Stop." >> And then they never talked. Then they stopped talking to me. They stopped talking. >> They stopped talking. So we never I never talked to mom. I never You know what I mean? If you if you If you know somebody hurt people and lied on people and you told them you're just as bad as them. That's the way I was brought up. And >> who who taught that to you? >> That's just the way I I live. I live until I die. >> That South Philly code. >> It's should be every code. I mean it's just the way we were brought up. >> So to you when you when you think about Sunny, you think that just because he associated with his son? >> Yeah. He's not supposed to talk to him. I mean he made I mean unless he got seen now. So, you're saying even if he goes and meets with his son, you're breaking the code because you're meeting with somebody that spoke to the feds. >> I'm I don't I'm talking about no code. It's just the way I live. I mean, >> but that's a code though. No, >> my uncle. I would never him. Good. I'm glad he's dead. And he never testified against nobody. >> Well, why why did you do that to your Why do you have that feeling towards your uncle? Animosity. >> He's no good. >> What did he do that caused you to feel that way? >> What did he do? He's just not supposed to do what he did. Made up lies. He tried to get out of jail and he lied and he was so bad they never used him. >> Did he ever cooperate or no? >> Yeah, he he Yeah, he cooperated. He sat down, you know, he told him everything, stories, but they never used him because he was lying. They must have knew he was lying and that was it. They never used him. >> So, but he cooperated. >> So, in your eyes, he cooperated. Is that Is that your uh Is that the uncle? >> Yeah, Loris. >> Yeah, that's Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Uh, okay. So, going back to Sunny, what you said, but Sunny was a good guy. So, the only issue you have with Sunny is the fact that he met with his son. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know him. I'm just saying like I he made his son come and visit him in jail, pick him up from jail after he knows he put you he you put people in jail. >> And you're talking about Michael. >> Michael? Yeah. Whatever. And then you got another son. Michael ain't even his son, >> right? That's a that's a you know story that's been discussed many times that Michael doesn't want to talk about. But um yeah and and his other son he had some issues that uh things that took place with him. But with Sunny to me when it comes on to Sunny you know Sunny was one of those guys that uh one time I went to New York were with him. He was staying at this uh I don't know if you call it an old folks homes or hospital. That's where we visited three times. I took him out one time to lunch. His lawyers are there and it's eight or nine of us and we're going out there. We're eating at the nice spot and I'm asking him all these questions and he was one of the guys that was true to Omera. Like he was not going to say nothing. So your challenge with Sunny is the fact that he just associated with his son. >> Yeah. Maybe he went out at the end. I don't know. He was old. I don't know. I mean I don't know him. I don't know him. >> If I'm saying if it was me I would never I would never done it. >> Even if it was your son. >> Yeah. And I ain't even Well, yeah. Even if it was my son, but he's not even his son. >> But so you're saying even if you one of your kids turned and went and cooperated with the feds, you would never talk to No. >> Do you have a son? >> No. No son. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So if one of your girls did, you would never talk to her. >> Girls would never be in that situation. >> Why do you say that? >> They would never be in a situation where they have to make up stories and lie. And they're both successful. One's an attorney and one's an advertisement. >> Wow. >> So, you I've never put my kids in that situation. >> You would never put him in a situation like that. >> Huh. Interesting to me when I when I hear uh So, who who else when this concept of uh you're saying this is how we do things. If somebody, you know, snitches or does something, we don't associate with them anymore. >> Where where does this code come from, though? >> It's just the way I am, the way I was brought up. >> What did what did your pops teach you? Cuz your dad was a father guy. Listen, my mother taught me when I was a kid, don't tattletail. Did you like tattletails when you were a kid? >> No. Nobody likes them. tattletails. I went to school like if we got in trouble in school. You never tell them whatever. The nuns used to beat us with iron rulers. Who broke the window? Who threw this? Who did that? We don't know. We don't know. Just the way I were brought up. Nobody likes Tattletail. >> Yeah, but you you know the the the t Okay, so that's one. What else? What else was certain rules? >> That's it. That's just the way we grew up. Never, you know, mind your business. If it don't affect you, just mind your business. >> How How tough was growing up in South Philly? >> It was tough. Philly's tough neighborhood. South Philly is tough. But it was a good neighborhood. Closeknit. Everybody looked out for each other. You could leave your door open. >> So, what made it tough? >> Just a neighborhood, you know, blue collar. Everybody worked. I It was just We all grew up. We hung in schoolyards, you know, like old kids. We I'm still friends with the kids I went to kindergarten with and we all grew up together and we just that's just the way we were. >> Joey, how how many people of of friends of yours that you had? How many were true to this code? No tattletail, no no snitching, no talking. How many guys were the core guys that you could trust with anything? >> My whole neighborhood. Everybody was like that. >> When you say whole neighborhood, you mean you're talking about hundreds of people? >> Yeah. Like everybody that we hung out with every it's just the way it was. Today it's all up. >> What happened? >> Well, no. I'm saying like in We used to hang in the schoolyard. We played basketball. We played baseball. We played every sport you can think of hockey. You don't even see a kid in the schoolyard no more. They play video games. They're all up. >> Mhm. >> They can't even talk. So, you know, it's just that I'm glad I was born when I was born. Kids today are all up. At what point did did kids know or you know that there was something different about your toughness or did you even think that? >> No, I didn't think that this just the way we were. So, we were brought up. >> People knew you were different though, Joey. I mean, you know, for a guy that you know uh um don't take this the wrong way. I know like Michael was a big guy, right? Uh is it Chad Leani? Is >> Oh, Mike Chang. Michael Chang. Yeah, >> Michael Chang. Yeah, he was a big guy. He was not a small guy. >> No, Michael was big. Michael's feared by >> tough with his hands. Yeah, >> he was tough with his hands, but it was a family guy. He was respected and loved and feared, which is a very weird combination to have loved, respected, and feared. That doesn't it's not common to have somebody like that. Um, and when when they took out Michael, this was apparently your your best friend. This was >> Yeah. Yeah. Their friend. >> Best friend. when they took him out, you you the the the Michael was big and intimidating, but based on what people tell me when I see you, you know, you're a nice guy. I'm talking to you right now, even off camera, and every time I've seen you, we have a good conversation together. But, uh, there is an element of fear towards a guy like you. Why did they fear you, respect you, and love you? Why did the people in South Philly have that feeling towards you? The average person can say fair would Michael, but why towards you? >> We're nice to everybody. We help everybody. People in Philly love me self. We help everybody. We go in a restaurant, we tip everybody. We take care of people. We give turkeys out. I've been giving turkeys out since the 80s. You know, they saw you doing it. Now you want to be on the internet. No, I've been doing it before. There was no internet. There was no cell phones back then. We had the beepers weren't even out yet. >> Why'd you do that? >> Just we always did. My father did it. We're the underdogs to help people. >> She saw your father do it and you did it. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a good feeling to help help people. A lot of people don't have nothing. How many electric bills we paid? Ladies getting their electric shut off in the winter. Like we did it every year. We We still do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's a uh uh I want to get his first name right. I know his last name. Is it Sunny Mazone? Is it uh is it Sunny or is it >> uh uh >> Stevie >> Steven Mazone? Steven Mazone. >> Um he had this this shop uh by this arcade store >> and he would do he would do embroidery for jackets. Yeah. >> Okay. I don't know if you remember this or not. >> This is 88 87 88 89. And one day, one of my friends who is from 2J2, which is 22nd in Jackson, >> and he goes up to Stevie and says, "Hey, I want to get this jacket with the embroidery, uh, you know, Philly for my girlfriend." He said, "Okay, great." So, they do it and he's about to pay him whatever the embroider is going to be. Stevie says, "What did you get for your mother?" And this fellow says, "Uh, yeah, I got her nothing. I don't have a lot of money this year. I can't do anything about that, but next year I'm going to get her something." He says, "No, I I don't want you to do that. I want you to not pay for this embroidery. Take the jacket, but go get your mother a gift. >> Yeah, that's how it >> These are the types of stories that comes back. >> Indeed, he's a classy guy. That's We all We're all like that. That's what we do. I mean, we help everybody and then everybody we did it our whole lives. Everybody likes us. They respect us. They like us. >> How'd you guys make money? >> I worked. We worked. I worked my whole life. >> What' you do? >> I was a jockey, gambler. I did it all. jockey, gambler. Um, as a jockey, were you making real money? Like, was there real money in the jockey bit? >> Yeah, I made money when I I was a kid, though. I was 18. >> 41 races. How did you get into that business? >> I started out I'll tell you how I got into it. Salva took me. They used to have horses in Jersey. There ain't no horses in South Hill. You would see a horse. [laughter] And we went down to Cabana Downs and we used to go riding. >> Yeah. and he owned he had a horse and I I used to you know he said well you ride good and then we used to rent it we go down like $5 for two hours and we would go you know all our friends and Philip Narduchi had a horse and we used to go down and ride and then I I loved it and I was little and then I I got a job down Atlantic City Racetrack as a hot walker and you know groom exercise boy and jockey that's how it started >> passion loved it like till today >> love it >> I've seen you at the racetrack >> yeah I I could get Yeah I've seen you Yeah. >> What was it? The >> It's the best one in Florida. It's It's the uh >> Florida Derby. >> Florida Derby. Oh my god. >> I think it's coming up in two weeks. >> Is it really? Oh, can you text Matteo? Tell him I got to go to that, Rob. >> Let me tell you, it is such a spectacle. We go every year. Every year. >> It's a You go to the Derby line or No, >> no, I never been to Kentucky Derby. Florida. >> Okay. The derby, you know. >> Uh I had to go. >> Yeah. I've been going every year for many years. It's it's a great experience. But so you got into races like that and you're doing this as a kid. You're making good money and then you get you openly talk about gambling on the podcast. You guys talk about gambling all the time. I know Italy was in the World Series history against Venezuela. We're talking about it. That was a close uh close game. But going back to it, the the culture of how you guys were for the people and the people. Actually, if you talk to the people in the streets, it it's very rare I find anybody that says anything bad about what you guys did to the city to South Philly. >> No, I mean, we help everybody. >> Yeah. Except we pay tuitions. We We don't tell them. We don't go announce it, oh, we paid so and so. We We help We help everybody and and whoever we could help. Like I said with the cheese state place when we open. Yeah. >> If anybody, you know, people get out of jail, like it's almost impossible to get to get a job if >> you're a felon. >> So the Fed may say uh that's a business model. Win the people, but do the business and make the money, but help the little guys, right? It's almost like the movie in Gladiator when uh the the gladiator says, "I want to have freedom one day like you." He says, "Win the crowd, win your freedom." Was that the purpose? to win the crowd, win the people. >> No, no, we just did it. We didn't do it for no views and likes. We did it before all this internet That's just the way we were brought up. My father paid for people's wakes. You know, somebody in the family dies, they got no money to bury them. We didn't broadcast it. Just getting the money, pay for it. That's just the way we are. And I'll never change. Like I was getting back with the cheese steak place. I told him, "I'll hire anybody. Give you a chance. You know, long as you're not a rat and a pedophile. Other than that, you a child molest, you come work for us." >> Those two for you. >> Yeah. >> I can see that job interview. So, >> that's it. [laughter] Asking a question. Not a rat. >> Are you a rat or a pedophile? No, Joey. Okay. You're hired. >> You're on. You're hired. >> You literally asked that. You say that to people. >> Yeah. >> If not, I don't want you. >> I don't know if Fortune 500 companies use that. Uh, maybe they should. They should. Who wants pedophiles? Rule number one is >> Listen, they should do You see how they got Megan's law >> Mhm. >> You know, if you're you with kids >> Mhm. >> you got to let the neighbors know. They should do that with these like like these rats. Like they should have rat law. Would you like to have the same bull as your neighbor? >> Good truth. If you didn't know, like he's on he's under another name cuz he had a different name. They all get different names. If he was uh Tony Monero, my neighbor Tony Monro, you got you got four sons next door. You got four kids. You want this nut living next door to you. >> See, 19 people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. To me, I get along with everybody. >> No, I know. I mean, you're in the I'm just saying a regular person. >> Yeah. I I The regular person would say no. >> Would you want this living next door to you? >> But again, Joey, somebody may say you you took out seven people. >> No, I didn't. No, I'm not. allegedly, you know, the the numbers like you know there's and by by the way I mean you you you know when we do the interview you're going to say whatever you're going to say you're Joey Morino but you know reputation follows like if reputation follows somebody and if the average person doesn't have a reputation of killing seven people that doesn't come accidentally you know what I'm saying >> I was I was charged I don't know how with how many I got acquitted of everyone found not guilty I got found not guilty by >> I got charged with the same murder twice never happened Yeah. Yeah, >> it was federal court. Federal court. Philly, I beat it. They charged me the next day in Newark. I went to trial again and beat it. I was never down guilty of nothing. No murders. None. I was acquitted of all of them. What's that mean? I didn't do it. We didn't do it, my friends. We didn't do it. >> Mhm. Yeah. But but when when uh when I think how how close was was uh was Michael like a brother to you? >> Yeah. Michael. Yeah. >> Okay. So is it true that the war that happened, mob wars that happened in the 80s, whatever the year it was, could have been 80s, 90s when it happened, his brother Joey, uh, who went and sided with Stan, who was the boss that they sent from Sicily, he came to try to bring the business back to the old ways of just making money, and that's all they were doing. And Joey, the brother, killed Michael. Is that a Is that a true story in your life? >> I have no idea. >> You have no idea? >> No idea. >> Okay. >> I know me and Michael were walking down the street. We a drive by I got shot and he got He [clears throat] got shot one time and died. >> You got shot four times or is that you? >> No, twice in the ass. >> He shot you twice in the ass. >> That's a tough way to kill somebody. >> He He should have never got hit. >> Oh, he got hit cuz he raised his arm. >> He put his arm up. >> Oh, got it. >> If his arm is down, I guess, you know, he's big. >> You would have made it. >> It went under here. You're on. And it only got shot one time. But you don't know who killed him? >> No. >> No idea. >> Do you never want her to seek vengeance and find out who did? >> No. >> Not at all. >> Joey, what are you laughing about? >> You're so funny, Joey. >> That's the truth. >> Okay. Well, listen. I respect it. I'm trying to see because your birthday just happened, right? You just had a birthday a couple days ago. Yeah. Happy birthday to you. >> Thank you. Uh uh uh a guy who is feared, loved, and respected has no desire to want to seek vengeance on the guy that killed his best friend, his brother. >> How do you become that noble, that peaceful? >> Peace. That's it. That's just the way I am. >> No desire to want to have somebody that took at them. This is a code. >> I don't even I don't even know who did it. >> I mean, everything ties back to his brother that killed Michael, your right-hand guy, your best friend, >> right? and you had no desire to want to go back and take that guy out. >> No. >> Okay. So, obviously the revenge ends up happening and I think you're at the funeral of um of you of Michael and at the funeral cameras on you zooming in on you and everyone's trying to size you up to say you know Stanford's winning you know the war and you know these young guys that are coming up who do they think they are? Joey Merino is now afraid and he's afraid of Stan for now and zoom in and zoom in and zoom in and even closer on your eyes and then a reporter asked you a question. I don't know what the question was but you told him to f off like you really had no desire to want to talk to anybody. What were you thinking in that moment at the funeral? >> Nothing. Just more than our friend, you know, worried about his family had three kids. >> No desire for vengeance. >> No. So, so if if your if your father is the father that I think he is, my assumption, if he said, you know, shake someone's hands, you know, be respectful. If you don't, you're going to get a whooping. Yeah, this is the clip. Rob, can you play this? Is this video? Do we have this or no? Can you turn the audio so I can hear it? Go for it. >> Morning's viewing and funeral for Changangalini. Marilina was not at all camera shot. He stood in front of the funeral home as if to say, "I'm still here. They didn't get me." Merino has also maintained his bravado. Listen to his response when we asked him to comment on the shooting. >> This morning's viewing in >> Yeah. >> Yeah. you. I We're at a week and they got cameras in a week. I mean, come on. Show respect for the family. >> Was that the case 24/7 with you? Was cameras on >> Yeah, everywhere. Yeah. Cameras everywhere we went. Why did they want to record? >> I don't know. I don't news. Fake news. Look what they do to Trump. Same >> So for me, if we if we go back to, you know, with pops, >> but you have to go back to you're saying about these shootings, we were quit. >> I know you were. I know you were. to me if the DNA of what your father might what I'm understanding from the from the people in South Philly what the code was if your father I I the profile of your father I would say if anybody does anything to your brother you better make sure you get him by the end of the day would that be a right assumption of something your father would tell you >> yeah if I'm my I tell my anybody that if I'm with me and you were in a bar and you're getting a fight I'm helping you >> they killed your your best friend you're not doing anything. >> No, we didn't do I don't know who killed him. We don't know who killed him. I don't know. Yeah. Um who who was uh uh who was uh uh not Billy VC? Cuz that's the older brother, right? Was it John John VC? Am I saying it correctly? Who was John VC? >> I don't know. I know him. How long ago? I seen him three times in my life. >> You've seen him three times in your life. Was it recent or back in the day? >> No, back in the day. >> How tough was he? Was he a tough guy or >> He was a junkie. was a junkie. >> Yeah, that's what he was. Dope. He never hung with us. We never did drugs. He was younger. I We didn't know him. I didn't know from the neighborhood. >> Was Billy more your age or was it was uh >> Billy was >> Yeah. Maybe my age or a year or two younger. >> Did you ever meet Billy or No? >> Yeah, I knew Billy. >> Was Billy an easygoing guy? Was he nice guy? Not a tough guy, not a street guy. >> Yeah. No. >> Yeah. >> So, Billy seemed like he wanted to do the right thing. >> He's a good athlete. >> Billy was a good athlete. >> Yeah. He played basketball. Yeah. He was >> right. And then Johnny and in this picture uh uh Johnny's the one on the right. Billy >> Billy's got the tux on. >> Billy's got the tux on. Yeah. So Johnny goes out there and I think Johnny allegedly a little bit reckless. He's going out there. He has no problem taking somebody out. I think he got his mother died at 41 when he was 16 years old and he never met his father. >> They were all junkies, >> right? in Stoke. >> Both of them or he was? >> No, not Billy. He was the mother. The whole family. >> Oh, the whole family was. >> Not Billy though. I don't think Billy was. >> So, Billy was a good kid. >> Yeah. >> I think Johnny's still around. So, Johnny allegedly got arrested 60 plus time before turning 18. So, eventually he gets out. When he gets out, they come up to him, they give him $1,000 to take somebody out. And he goes out for $10,000. And they burn up the car, which the car was a leased car if I'm not mistaken. and he burns in the car. FBI comes and says, "What are you doing?" The license plate is still here. Goes back to the guy that leased the car. They know who it is. They go find him that's ties to Stan and they're like, "No, you're tied to this." And then eventually through him, they realize he's going to flip and he's going to go testify against uh the whole crew, everybody. Johnny was. And then that day before he was gonna do that, they took out his brother, >> Billy. >> All this stuff adds up because all these stories are kind of adding up or >> No. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Okay. I was in Philly. >> Yeah. >> I got charged with it. >> You got charged with it? >> Yeah. And got to quit it. >> And got to quit it. >> I found not guilty. Course Ralph Natelli lied. >> What did Ralph say? Ralph said you were behind it. >> Yeah. Me and my friends, well, we got to quit it. He said that after the murder, we had a meeting at my grandmother's house, 927 Jackson, and um you know, the the movie He hugged me, kissed me. It sounds good, you know, in court. But come to find out, he didn't realize and the US attorneys in Philly, they believed everything he said. They never investigated him. This was 1995 I think it was or 95 94 that we had a meeting in 927 Jack Street my grandma's house my grandmother sold the house three years prior >> m >> to Chinese people Asian people >> it was impossible for us to be in that house so [snorts] we subpoenaed my we went my lawyer went and got the deed to the house that the house was sold 3 years prior and we called the Asian guy I don't even know what is he came on the stand we had to get a translator here. He said, "That's impossible. They were never in my house. I don't even know them. I never seen them in my life and they could have never been in my house that day." He lied. The jury and quitters in 5 minutes. >> What did Natali say his beef was? You know, when you guys were in prison together, he asked you, "Hey, take care of my family when I'm out." >> They all got the same story. Every one of They must give him a pamphlet when they flip. When you get on the stand, say this. They didn't give my I got to give his family money for it. I don't know him. I lent his son-in-law my motorcycle when I was in jail. This is a true story. I met him in jail. I I I like motorcycle. I had a Harley-Davidson brand new. I get locked up. I only got four years. So, I kept the bike, you know, when I get out and ride. I love bikes. He said to me, "My son-in-law, Bobby, he loves bikes." That's the bike. Now, that wasn't that one. one before I had that that one. He said he wants to go to bike week or something something with bike. Could you let Could he bought a bike for the weekend? I said, "Yeah, take it. I ain't driving in jail. Can't drive in the yard." So, I give him the bike. That sold it. Stop it. Kept the bike and sold it and still didn't pay me. Brand new Harley-Davidson. >> Nice guy. Him and his son-in-law. >> Did you ever meet up meet him again? Did you ever see him again or No, I never seen him. No. So, when's the last time you saw Ralph? Was it in jail? >> No, in a witness stand. >> In a witness stand. What was that like when you saw him? >> He was the worst witness ever. My lawyer destroyed him. >> The jury The jury said, if you could pull up the art >> embarrassing. Yeah. >> They said he was the wor. How the did they even bring him on the stand? >> They didn't even believe him. >> They didn't believe one. They said the what jurory said we didn't believe one said. >> Yeah. >> But that's the government for you. >> I got them all out of jail. Pete Dro, another guy. >> How he was dead. It was his third third meth conviction. That's life. Auto life. No pro. You never get out. He testified against me and they got to let him out. Laid the son all out. Pete therum. He was dead. He he admitted that he he said he don't know how many people he killed. They dug up a social club. There was three bodies. He was he was dead. He was getting and his son was a son I know son was already in jail was it for drugs got 14 years with the state in Jersey he testified against me to let his son right out and they let him out nice contrary right yeah I'm I'm trying to think because to me you know if going back to father would say if anybody [clears throat] does anything to your brother you know you have to you can't let the market believe that they can touch you or the people on your crew, right? I mean, in in the street cult, even in business, >> there is no crew. We just we're just friends. I mean, it you just want to make it like it's this, it's that. >> Even to us, like in business, Joey, if if in business, uh there's a there's a quote. I'll read it to you. Maybe you'll like this quote. And when I read this quote, it kind of reminds me of maybe the code you followed. No friend ever served me and no en enemy ever wronged me whom I've h I have not repaid in full. Let me read it again. No friend ever served me and no enemy ever wronged me whom I have not repaid in full. Lucius Cornelius Sula self-written epitap. So I see you as one of these guys. I see you as a guy is if he's your friend, he's 100% loyal. I have your back for the rest of your life. But also see if you're an enemy, you cross me, you have to worry about me for the rest of your life. If you don't build that reputation, you you you know this Joe, you know. >> Yeah. I mean that's >> he keep So they killed your your friend and you guys don't retaliate. >> Nope. >> And we got charged with it and we got to quit it. >> Yeah. How about Salvi? Salvi's a good man. >> Everyone says that. >> No, Salvi's a good guy. >> Everyone says that. Everyone says Salvi on one end, he was the guy that would grab the, you know, if somebody went to to to the market, he would grab all the groceries and walk across and help you out. And >> yeah, we all did. Everybody that was the neighborhood. That's just the way we were up. >> But Sally was also known for being very tough and feared. >> S was tough guy. >> Him and Michael both same level toughness. >> Yeah. Yeah, they were tough. Both tough. >> Similar profile. Well, big big big guys. Go with your hands. >> And Salvi was good friends with you as well. >> Yeah. >> So Salvi and Michael as friendship, same level. >> Salvi, when Salvi died? I I was in jail when he died. He was 80 in the 80s. He died. I was young when he died. I don't think he died. 84. I was in jail. >> Did they call him Why did they call him the prince? The crown prince. How did that nick >> I think? I think the I think the what do you call gave it to him? The paper. The newspaper. >> Not even Nobody gave it to him. No, nobody ever called him out. >> Why did he call him that, though? >> We never Nobody in Philly ever called him out. Like, nobody ever called me Skinny Joey ever. You know, I got that name from the from the cops. I had a cousin, Marggo Lawrence, son. He was Joey and I was Joe. Same name, Merina. >> He was fat and I was skinny. So, they used to [laughter] the truth. So, when they used to follow us, >> that's the skinny one. >> They say the skinny one. That's nobody ever called me skinny Joey my whole life. And nobody never called Sal. I never heard the prince. I mean from the paper, but nobody ever called him out. >> I can't I can't see the mob calling him calling anybody crown. >> No, they never No, I never heard it. I mean, until it was in the paper. I think the New York Times did an article on the sun. >> Yeah, >> but nobody never called him. >> Yeah, it's funny that you named your podcast the skinny >> by Joey Marino. I love that name, by the way. So, what was your reaction when he was killed? >> I was away. He was a good man. Salv was a good man. Great guy. um similar profiles with him and Michael meaning the same feared respect and I loved. >> Well, they were Yeah, they were tough. They were a good fighter, you know. I mean, they could fight. They were big. They had to use their hands, you know? I mean, they were tough. >> Did you Did you go to school with them? Like, did you >> No, Savvi was older than me. >> Savvi was older than >> Yeah, I think Sav was like six, seven years older. >> Did you respect them? Was he like an older brother? >> Yeah, he was older. Yeah, he was. You know, when I when you're when you're 16 and somebody's 24, it's like massive. It's like yeah like yeah >> but he was cordial respectful guy >> respectful gentleman good man >> and so who would test them like when you build a reputation of tough guy how does that happen >> it's just guys test him and people find that he can knock him out and then boom a reputation is built >> you know it was different when you're younger you're in a bar people drinking in a fight practice guy whatever you know that's how it was >> nothing like he was not like a guy that's golden gloves that's straight >> but they yeah you know he they went in the gym like you know they you he was good with his hands yeah and Michael they go up their hands. >> Yeah. [clears throat] I'm just wondering, you know, the the the the idea of if somebody crosses, you have to make sure the other side doesn't think they can do that again and again and again to you because if the market believe and by the way, you know, again, the stories you're going to say allegedly Stan who was an OG Sicilian guy went against you and you beat him, you know, and and you know that that was like the biggest underdog. Nobody ever thought that would happen where the guys who are from Sicily, the the OG OG guys came in trying to put the fear of death in you and you didn't flinch. >> You're just dying to get me to talk about this stuff. >> No, I'm just telling I'm just telling I had nothing to do with none of that. Whether you believe me or not, >> I'm telling you you had nothing to do with it. Whatever we were charged with in court, >> none of it. >> I got Yeah, we got charged with a lot of it. We got acquitted of everything. me and my friends. This is America. If you're acquitted, I got found not guilty and that's it. >> What What if if I was to ask you, what five values do you value the most? Like if I'm one of your brothers, I'm one of your friends, 30 years we've been together, what's the most likelihood that these three, four, five qualities we all have? I know one of them is no tattletail, no snitching. What else would you say? >> Help everybody. Loyal. Don't be jealous. >> Don't be jealous. >> Jealous is worse than cancer. >> Really? Tell tell me about don't be jealous. >> Don't be jealous. Nobody. If you you got 100 billion, God bless you. I would make 200 billion. A lot of people are jealous. >> So in that in that life, what does jealousy do? >> And any life has nothing to do with that life. Every day people jealous. How many people are jealous of you? Believe me. >> Oh. >> And they'll shake your hand. I wish you the best. God bless you. As soon as you walk away, they hope you die. Your building burns down, your car blows up. >> How do how do you find it? How do you How do you know what you're at? How do you figure out who they are? >> It's it's hard to figure out. You know what I mean? But it's jealousyy's bad. >> You you've been in a lot of meetings. You've sat down with a lot of different people. You grew up in South Philly. So, you you have to size people up fairly quickly. How do how do you size them up? >> You just you feel it. I mean, I mean, believe me, I was wrong a lot, too. I was wrong a lot, you know, but jealousy bad. >> Yeah. You know, Robert Green, I don't know if you know who he is, he wrote the book called 40 Laws of Power. >> Yeah. >> You ever heard of him? >> Yeah, I heard the book. >> Yeah. So he he he's a friend and he said one time if you really want to know um how your friends feel or somebody feels in front of them share a setback or loss and just watch their body language. If you watch them closely you'll see a smile that they're kind of happy that you had a setback. >> And he says share with them a victory. And if you watch them closely if their face cringes a little bit you can tell they're not happy you won. >> No, it's true. It's true. people sick. I don't know what the they're jealous of me for. >> I don't know. >> Was there anybody over you got jealous of or no? >> No, I don't Everybody Well, >> that's not even a thought you have. >> No, I don't jealous. >> Is that from mom and dad or is that just >> Yeah, just the way I brought up. I wish everybody does good. Makes money, successful, health. I don't, you know, I don't hate on nobody. They all hate on us though. They hate on me. They just they just hate people are sick. You see all these guys on YouTube and talk talk about you watch it. I don't know them. I never seen them in my life and the media is you know open the cheese steak place. >> Mhm. >> We were starting the renovations. It didn't even start yet. It was an old old place. The window was already broke. Somebody threw a bottle at it. They put on the news. They firebombed the place. They're trying to kill me. It's nuts. But but the media loves it. My name's Joey Marino. Any questions you have on my neck you want to ask me, I'm an expert in sports, gambling, restaurants, we got the best cheese steaks in Philly. Anything you want to know about Philly, South Philly, Atlantic City, reach out and I got you. >> What is it with you not liking Pat's cheese steak? I mean, >> no, he started with us. >> He said he says something about you guys. I know him my whole life. >> What happened? >> His father and my father went to school together. I went to school with him. >> So what's the story there? Because I heard it used to be the best cheese steak. >> They invented the cheese steak. >> That's what I hear. >> No, he did. They invented They've been here. >> Are they still that good or >> No, now he's changed it all. No, here's what happened. I'm g clarify this because everybody saw you. We're We're not picking on him. He watched a video I guess of that other idiot Burllo. >> Is it >> Jean Burrell? >> Yeah. >> He barel said in a video that Snuff's a junkie, which Snuff was Snuff had addiction problem 10 years ago. He's He's clean 10 years. Snuff's a good kid. I know. I grew up his father. I send him to rehab down here. >> He's very good at what he does. >> I got him I got him straight. He he he don't drink. He 10 years he's clean. He did a video and said that Snuff lives in his mother's basement. Uh, Varela did. >> Mhm. >> Which is a lie. Snuff's got a beautiful house, beautiful wife, great family. So, this idiot, Frankie Ali from Pats, he makes a video. He started it. He makes a video and he says, "The reason we chop our meat, see when you go to Pats, they they just put the meat on four or five pieces, then we we don't we chop it." He said, "We have to chop our meat because our our customers have no teeth." He said, "Watch the video." I got it on my phone. >> He says, "We don't chop our meat because our customers do have teeth." >> Yeah. >> What does that mean? That means it's older customers. >> He said, "I don't know what the he meant." >> So he he he he made a video and he said Snuff lives in his mother's basement. Yeah, he was bare mouth and snuff. >> Uhhuh. >> So we came back at him because he said he invented the cheese steak, which he did. He did. He invented his family did. Yeah. His grandfather. >> Grandfather. Yeah. >> So he did. I said, "Yeah, you invented it. We perfected it." >> I said, "You know, Ford invented the car, but Rolls-Royce is the best car, not a Ford." >> Got it. >> And we we got the best bread, the We took it to the next level, and we we hurt his business. We buried him. >> That bad. >> Yeah. Bad. And you have lines the block long. We got the lines. >> Wow. And And that's only in Philly. Where is it at? Where's your Where's your uh >> where stadiums? We're on Broch. Right near stadiums. Okay. >> He's on the Italian market. Him and Gino's are him and Pat is here. Gino is where that wall is. >> Got it. What does Gino do? He's also on cheese steak. >> Cheese steak. Yeah, >> he's also >> Yeah, he's a nice kid. I I know Gino, you know. I mean, the kid Joey, he's a good kid. We don't go after none of them. They they with us. >> Yeah. So, >> it's jealous. It's jealousy. We heard his business. >> I saw the reviews. Sometimes you guys uh when you get a one-star review, I don't know who's responding, by the way. If it's not for you, it's hilarious where it's like you you give me a one-star review is as if we took the cheese steak, we threw it at you, we stepped on it. What do you mean a one? >> That's just That's Pat Goss right there. They're they're they're >> right across >> right across from me. >> If I went right now, Saturday 6 p.m., which one's going to have a bigger line? Pats go or your spot? >> My spot. Not even close. >> Between the three, you're gonna be >> Not even close. >> And that's because what? Because you guys, the way you make it, >> guys. Yeah, we got the best. We got the best cheese steak. >> How How real is this? Cuz you know, is is this steak? You know, the Philly cheese steak. Is this a real war? Cuz the people outside of Philly don't know how important this is. Political. This is spiritual. This is like a religious uh We don't with none of them but him. He's the one who started with us. But we we buried him. I had a guy last week, I'll show you the video. I'll give it to you. you can put it up. The guy came with no teeth. With no teeth, >> which are typically past customers. Okay. >> He said, "Oh, all and I told him, I said, "You were right. Our customers don't need teeth. Our meat's so tender, you don't need teeth to eat it." And the guy ate the steak. The guy said, "Best thing you ever This is This is last week. A customer came in a couple weeks ago." >> Yeah. When I was in Philly, it was like a week and a half ago. >> So, I got to show you the video. >> So, Burllo, what's the story? I heard something about Barello said something if you come to New York he's going to send somebody. A big guy came. What was that all about? >> I I have no idea. I don't know him. He's a nut. >> I I don't know him. If he woke I know what he looks like now. I don't know him. He He's a nut. >> What? There's no relation. Like you guys don't know each other at all. >> I never seen him in my life. >> Is he a New York guy or is he >> I have no idea. Lives in Florida. Tampa. >> He lives here now. >> Yeah. In Florida. >> Okay. >> All I know is he beats girls up. That's it. beats the out of him and gets away with it. >> Interesting. And makes cheese steak. Or he doesn't make >> No, he don't make cheese steak. >> Yeah. >> He just beats girls up. >> He was part of the Banano family. He says >> I I don't know him. Uh I don't know him from a can of pink. >> Got it. >> I don't know where I know he's from New York. That's it. >> Well, the the Philly against New York, right? There's this pride. You talk to New York, you know, level of toughness versus Philly. What's the difference? What who's tougher? in in your opinion between the two. >> I listen I mean I was in jail with guys from New York. They're all good guys. I mean there's no I mean there's no tougher a lot of good men. Philly and New York. >> From New York. >> And there's a lot of bad guys from Philly and New York. You know >> who who who' you took time with? Who were some of the names you did time with that maybe I'd know? Now you and um none of them none of these rat. No none of these rats. You know what's funny? When I was in jail my t I was never with Italians. They always ship me my list. I got 14 years. They sent me to Bulmont, Texas. USP Bulmont. And a guy used to write me. It was funny. You know, kids from a neighbor write me, you know. Hey, you in here with anybody? any Italians? I said, "No, there's no there was no Italians in there. Me." And the kids text me, write me back. He said, "It's a shame there's nobody." I said, "11 Italians put me here. 10 Italians put me in this jail. All all the people testified against me. So don't, you know, I don't go by that tang This if you're a good guy, you're a good guy." >> H And you travel anywhere? You go anywhere. >> I go anywhere. When was the last time you were in Philly? >> Last week. I'm going back this week. >> When you go there, what's the How do they receive you? >> They love us. They love They love the cheese steak place. We stay I stay there all day. We work. We stay there. I take pictures with everybody. I talk to everybody. >> Feel safe. You're not worried about anything happening? >> No, there all the time. Sit outside. Well, once the weather gets nice, sit outside. So, we love it. The people love us. They support us. They really do support us. They love us. Why do you think that is? >> We're good people. It's got to be. And we got a good cheese steak. [laughter] The steak's good. You got to come. >> You You don't have any spots here yet? >> No. >> Are you planning ever to do anything or No. >> Yeah. I want to I'm going to start We're going to start franchise. I think we're we're in a process now. We're We're opening one in Tri Chester. That's like half hour from us. Different part of Philly. It should be We're just waiting for the permits. That should be open. It's in maybe a couple months. And we're going to go uh Wallwood. We're going to think about going to Wallwood, New Jersey for the summer. >> Mhm. >> It's a nice spot. >> Yeah. So, nothing nothing yet coming down. It's going to be mainly that area is where you're >> I looked in Bokeh. Bokeh's hard. Like I I was telling the guys, everybody in Bokeh is on Epic. They don't need eat. >> Everybody in Bokeh's on. >> They're on epic. I'm telling they >> So, you need an area where >> Yeah. You need an area where people are going to eat. >> Yeah. You guys just got a new mayor, by the way. I don't know if you saw that. You got a new mayor that won by one vote. >> Did you hear about this? >> Natalie. >> Yeah. You got a new Democrat uh uh mayor. Uh uh uh Andy Thompson is officially declared the new mayor of Boca Raton. And Andy won by one vote. >> I didn't vote. >> Well, that vote would have counted. Look at that. >> Look at that. That's crazy. >> How many votes does it say? The recount. >> Six. >> Now it's six. >> Uh five votes. Yeah. So, congrats on your new mayor. >> He's a Florida Democratic Party chair and said Thompson's victory in Boca Raton is adding political momentum to Democrats leading up to uh this year's midterm elections. Were you ever involved politically with different candidates? Were you ever? >> No. I I love Trump. They said I fixed the election with Joe Biden. That was But >> Oh, the $3 million that you allegedly got paid 3 million to help Joe Biden. >> Yeah. >> I I can't see you helping Joe Biden. I don't know. Joe doesn't look like your type of a guy. Trump's the best pitcher that they made a big deal about that when we were in I went coffin. We were in um Trump, you know. Yeah. In Palm Beach, he took pictures of 400 people. Everybody came up. He took a picture. We took they made a big thing and that other Jake Tapper was see he did it like he did a thing that night for 15 minutes. He talked about meeting and Trump >> saying what? Saying he's hanging out. my whole record and I and the guy was the front page of the Daily News in Philly, the same And I called the next day. I told him I said, "No, I'm going to talk to the the guy who wrote the article." He said, "You know, don't the lawyer said, "Don't curse." I said, "You going to curse?" And I told him, "Well, my lie." I said, "He took pictures of everybody." He didn't know who I was. 100 people went. >> He had no idea who you were. >> No. 100 people went up there, took a picture, shook his hand. He did it with everybody. They tried to act like, you know, they try to They hate him. They hate him, too. Did you ever have any relation with him back in the days? He's not a Philly guy though. >> No. No. I know of him. >> You've never met him outside of that picture. You guys have never met before. >> Never. >> Got him. >> But they make a big thing about it. Yeah. They hate him. They do the same thing they did to me. They do to him. >> Yeah. >> Look, he had he had more cases than me. He had >> 90 was it 91 93? I don't know what the numbers are. gets indicted every week. Leave the guy alone. >> Yeah. >> But that was the thing at the golf club. I said he didn't know who the I was. >> Who who told the story about the fact that you got paid 3 million from uh to help buy now? >> It it came out. >> Who who spread that story? >> Something in a Buffalo paper, some Buffalo newspaper. Unable >> you got like they're saying who paid you? Like Biden paid you million. Like they're saying I went to Philly and May Biden won and I got I made $3 million. roped into bizarre Philly election fraud conspiracy attorney for former Philly mafioso categorically denies bogus story go a little bit lower rap this is 5 years ago >> yeah and then they they call my lawyer up to talk to my lawyer I Biden Biden the first time I I wasn't allowed to vote the last election I voted >> not 2020 >> no I can't >> so but what are they saying like how would you help them out >> they're nuts >> fake news. >> Yeah. For three million. >> They said, "I went to Philly and pay people some ballots." I don't know what the I don't even know what they were talking about. >> So, an associate Joe Marino might just be willing to flip on Joe Biden and the Pennsylvania political operatives who ordered up to 300,000 election ballots marked for Biden. The source alleges that Marino and the lean team of associate manufactured those ballots at a rate of $10 a ballot at a whopping $3 million for three days of work. And meanwhile, I think I was on parole for the for for for betting. I couldn't even travel to Philly. I wish I made 3 million. Trump would have won. If I would have never Biden. I don't want Biden and he ruined the whole country. >> What do you think about when Biden won? Did you have an opinion about that when he wanted to >> Yeah, it was rigged. How he would the guy never Trump was everywhere. He came out three times. He's >> Yeah. >> How the did he win? Let me ask you if if there is a mob, you know, and if a president needed help, you know, winning an election, cuz you know, when you hear the story about John F. Kennedy and what was it? Chicago, what was the city? Uh that they went to uh Mayor Dwey, if I'm not mistaken. Is it Dwey if I'm saying it correctly? Seven or 8,000 votes and apparently helped them win. You know, why is there a history of, you know, politicians going and teaming up with mobsters to help them out with elections? Why do you think there is? I don't I have no idea. I don't know. >> What do you think about the mob? Like when you >> There's no mob to me. There's no mob. >> Well, when you when you hear these >> talk about something else, >> you don't think there's nothing like >> No, there's no mob. No. The fact that this is I mean, listen, you got to respect it. >> There's no mob. >> You There's no mob. So, so Godfather, Good Fellas, >> they're movies. >> These are all movies. These are all fake inspired movies. >> They're not UFO shows. They're UFOs. >> Yeah. >> So, you don't believe UFOs exist? >> No. >> So, the same way UFOs don't exist, you don't believe the mob exists, >> right? >> So, you don't think Scaro was a boss of the Philadelphia crime family? >> Who was he? Who was Who's Scaro to you? Who was he? >> He was a He was a nice guy. Think he was a good guy. >> That's it. That's it. >> You said one time you said uh I like Nikki. He he was always on time. >> He was He was >> That could have a lot of different meanings. So >> Oh, no. No. He was always If you had to be there 5:00, he'd be there quart 4:45. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. That's just the way he was. Well, I think that's disrespect. If I tell you I'm going to meet you 5:00 and I come 6. You don't think that's disrespect? >> I don't know if I would have seen him as a guy that would show up on time. No, he was old time. Early time come early. Yeah. >> How much time did you spend with him? >> A lot. I mean, I know him. >> What was his strength? >> He was a He was a good man. When I was When I was a kid, he had a 86 El Dorado convertible, you know, the big one. And he he came to Philly. I don't know what he came to Philly for something. And he he gave me the car for the weekend. How old were you? >> 14 or 15. >> He gave you the car for the weekend. >> Yeah. >> Why would >> he gave me 200 to put gas in it? 200 back then was like >> 200 to put gas. >> Yeah. I drove around. I had it I was little. I had the electric seat. I had to put a pillow. I We drove around for three days. Had the roof down. Had girls in the car. Yeah. It was red. It was red with white seats. It was older than that. >> So he g So what's the relation with him and your father? They were fenced. >> Okay. Yeah. Got it. >> Got it. Was >> there was the older Alado, not that one? >> The big one. 76. >> 76. >> 87. >> 76. >> No, 76. >> Yeah, that that's it. Yeah, it was red. >> The other one. The other one. The second one. The red one. >> Yeah, it was red. Red with white seats. >> Wow. >> Beautiful. >> So, [clears throat] were there rumors ever that your father was a made man or No? >> No. Not that I know. It was my father. I mean, the paper just they say what they want. Look, they said I fixed the election. >> How good of a poker player are you? >> Poker. I stink. >> Really? >> Yeah. I'm a horrible. >> What's your What's your game? What are you good at? >> I like blackjack. Back. Jin. I like Jin. Poker Ram. >> Like Jin Ramy. >> Yeah, I love it. >> Really? Yeah. >> Like 13 card 11 card. Jin. Yeah. >> You're good at Jin Ram. How about Backy? >> Back. No. Chess. Chess. I'm pretty good in B. No. >> Jin Ramy. >> Yeah. Jin Ramy play. Yeah. Hearts. Do you ever play hearts? Spades. >> Hearts. Spades. Yes. Spades. Yes. >> But but poker. I'm I'm horrible. Horrible. >> I go and broken free hands. I don't have You need patience, you know. You need You got to >> You need a lot of patience for poker. So that So >> my friend My friend won the World Series last year. Grinder. >> Wow. Good player. >> He won the World Series in poker. >> I mean, is he like is he because there's a different game. >> He's got he's got five bracelets. >> Holy. He's a phenomenal. Yeah, they put him in the they he won the he won it and they put him in the I think the whole hall of fame. >> Really? >> He text me all he's all over now playing. >> And you guys play you used to play with him. >> No, I can't play with him. >> He's good. He's good. >> He'll take your money. >> Yeah. You know, you know, people don't realize you got to have stamina to play that. >> No question about it. >> He He won it last year. He was >> Yeah. >> I mean, they play 10 12 hours a day. >> I don't even know if it's healthy for you. >> No. >> Can you imagine like what do you do for a living? I sit down for 10 to 12 hours and I take money from guys in Vegas >> and and poker players that wear glasses, headphones. That's weird. >> Oh, you have to be able to do it. It's you have you have there's an element of being mentally and emotionally tough to be able to do that. So gambling was it from the beginning that you were interested in it cuz you our whole neighborhood gambling >> on what? >> Any thing. Listen, when I was a kid, my mother had a My mother, [clears throat] she had like 70 ladies come over to play poker in the house. >> She was good. Mom was good. >> Yeah. Mom played like all the way, you know, they played poker, >> right? >> And they'd be in the house. The ceiling was in the house, row home. They all be smoking and I'd be like, you know, smoke. I was like eight. And they're like, "Shut the up. You like a girl. It's only smoke." I mean, what shot I have gambling, smoking. >> It's funny when you That's how we grew up. I mean, it's that's that's how we grew up there. There was hangouts on every corner. >> Yeah. >> You know, all guys playing peanuckle, gin, poker, and it's just the way we grew up. >> Yeah. I grew up in a family that they would the whole smoking thing you're talking about. I totally relate. And Iran, six, seven, eight years old that smell, you just can't even breathe. >> 20 people in the house, they're playing Jin Ramy. Our house was a Ramy house. Everybody would play Ramy. Okay. Non-stop. >> So then for you it stuck with you >> stuck. Like they have football pools. You pick four teams a dollar. You win $10. My my friend Donnie lived across street. His family. We were close. His father my first I hit a pool. My first one I played >> 10. That is football. Yeah. But I mean that's just the way we start. >> What's the craziest thing you ever bet on? >> I mean I bet on fights. Nothing crazy. fights, horses, football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer. >> So, did you did you follow the story with Chanty Bilip saying the mob, you know, came in NBA, a lot of players were involved. >> I seem to get locked up. >> What is this? Cuz I've had Tim Donahan on as well. You know, he he had his old friend. What was his name? Tommy, I think. I don't know what the guy's name was. Was it Tommy? Was he tied to uh Tim Downey? Type in Tim Donnie and Tommy. I want to say the guy's name was Tommy. Um, >> yeah, Tommy. Tommy >> from Philly. He told to the >> Who? Tim? >> The the the ref the ref in the NBA? Referee? >> Yeah, he told too. >> Did you know him? >> No. No, he's from But he's he's from Philly, I think. >> No, he is from He's for sure from Philly. >> Yeah, I I didn't know him. I was away when that happened. >> Did you know Jack Batista Batista or No. >> No. >> So, none of the guys he was tied to, you knew? >> No, never seen. So, what do you think about >> I wish I didn't know how to get the games from him. [laughter] >> He would say it was really two free throws, one or two full fouls that could change the game because it was momentum and frustration for the opponent and you could get them to kind of uh change the game. But, uh, what do you think about the alleged mob ties to the NBA recent gambling, you know, allegations? >> Why is it always the mob though? I mean, I don't I don't get it. the biggest the this FanDuel and this with the FanDuel they got. >> Yeah. >> If we did what they're doing, we would get I mean I'd probably get the electric chair. This is going to be the biggest epidemic ever is this gambling with kids. Listen, you ain't seen none yet. >> Legal gambling. >> It's worst. Yeah. Legal. Well, they call it legal because they got a license. Yeah. >> They pay the government. So they're good. We do it. you go to jail. They got 12, 13 year old kids. It's going to be worse than crack. Listen to me. Mark my words. This 2020. Watch. Another couple years. >> Tell me why. >> Cuz every kid's gambling. 13, 14 years old. Steal their mother's credit card. Open an account. All you got to do is go on a phone. Know what they're losing? Forget it. >> Yes. It's going to be worse than crack. >> Worse than crack. >> Yeah. Watch. What? Okay. So, >> and they promote it. Listen, you watch a football game, >> right? >> Every commercial, the stadium, band. >> Yes. >> They tell you, listen, you bet $5 that Patrick Mahomes is going to have one passing yard. So, they're giving you a free bet. >> You win 300. Now, you win the 300, then you start betting and it's over with downhill. That's like a guy saying, "Come to my corner. I'm going to give you free crack. I'm giving you crack." Shows Riot. Then they try. Wow, it's great. They come back. >> You've seen a lot though. You've seen a lot with kids getting addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling. >> The gambling is going to be worse than normal. >> Tell again. I want to know why though. Why worse? >> They they got them addicted. >> You're not going to die from that. You're going to die from drugs. You're going to die from your >> Yeah, you could die. But they're going to go to jail. They're going to get jammed up because of the gambling. So they might go sell drugs. They might go rob a house. They might go rob a bank, >> right? But the only reason they're doing it is for the gambling to paid so they could gamble, >> right? >> Like I went to jail. I robbed an armored car. I robbed her for gambling. I just didn't rob the armor car cuz I wanted to. I got the money. I went and gamble. I lost in the one weekend. >> How much was it though? How much wasn't the armor? >> The idiot threw the wrong bag out. It was only 350 something,000. >> 350,000. >> Supposed to be 5 million. He threw the wrong bag out. >> He threw the wrong bag out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's true story. was supposed to be 5 million but only 350. >> Yeah. And the bag was this big. It weighed 100 pounds. I thought it was 8 millionaire. It was all ones, fives. It wasn't. Yeah. Three. >> How much time did you do for that? >> I got four years. >> How did you get caught? >> Both guys who did it, the two guys who set the whole thing up and did it on me and I went to jail. Same story. >> The two guys that set it up to do it, you went to jail. They didn't do any time. >> And you're going to die. >> But they knew that the Fed knew that they did it. They were involved >> and so they didn't do any time because they ratted on you. >> I went the jail. >> How many people have ratted on you over the years? I don't have time. I don't know. >> A lot. I get them all out of jail. All you got to do is say Joey told me to do it. >> See what you're saying when you say you get them all out of jail. >> Listen, I got a I got a letter. I did a podcast in my lawyer's office. Ed Jacobs. Best lawyer in in in the world. Saved my life. Best best lawyer. a rat. I was away in FDC. Roger. This other he's writing me. I miss you. You know the So this guy Pete the Crumb gets locked up. Everybody who told them he didn't get locked up with me. Like it ain't like me and you robbed the bank. You know me and you robbed the bank. Boom. You went home. You say, "Yeah, I want to tell them Joey." They got called for something else. They did. This guy Pete gets locked up in Jersey and killed He killed more people than I don't know how many people he killed. >> Peter Crown. >> Yeah. He decides to cooperate on me. So the kid Roger Vela writes me a letter. I'm in jail. I'm in the hole. Writes me a letter. This P. He said they make it so easy for you for these guys. All you got to do is say, "Joey Marino told me to do it." You go to jail and they go home. I got the letter from him. Fast forward two years later, he gets locked up for murder. What's he do? >> Same playbook. >> Say Joey told me to do it. He's facing the death penalty. He got He got 10 years >> just to say Joey did it. >> Yeah. And they never charged me with it, my friend, because they know he was lying. That made him out. They lied. But that's how easy it is. That's how easy they made it. Listen, you read the paper, you see like you take bits of pizza and you and you'd say it. Listen, Bruce Cutler, I mean, great lawyer. He said the worst thing is a half truth. >> A what? >> Worse than as a half a truth. Half a truth. Like half of it's true and half is not right. It's dangerous. I mean, that's how easy they make it for them. There's got to be they got to come up with a law. They got to do something with this. But now the people are starting to see it, though. I mean, it's just crazy. >> How much total time did you do? >> 22 years. >> Total 22 years. Yeah. Between jail, halfway house. Yeah. >> 22 years. Wow. And And that 22 years is how many times going away? >> Went away. Case in Atlantic City. You got seven years. That case was over Philetti. He didn't tell you about that in his book. I went away for his mother. >> Letti's mother? >> Yeah. >> What was that for? >> We were in a bar. It was It wasn't a club. It was it was a restaurant. It was like a restaurant like bar, you know, older crowd. We were young. >> Mhm. >> And we were in there and she was with me at the bar and this these three guys came over and they didn't stop. Like they were big. I was little. And they kept wanting, "You want to dance? You want to dance?" And I, you know, told the guy, "No, I said she's here with me. Leave her alone." You know, and she had a few drinks. I went to bed, came out, she's dancing. And I, you know, went and a fight broke out and the guy with a chair and I went to jail for it. He never said that in his book. >> Who was dancing? His mother. >> Yeah. The Leo restaurant. >> August 1982 at 20. >> Marino and Salvador Scafiti, son of the bookmaker, beat and stabbed two male patrons at Leo restaurant at Atlantic City. Marina was found guilty on two counts, aggravated assault on one count, possession of weapon for unlawful purpose. And where's Leonetti's mother involved in this? >> No, she wasn't. I mean, that's how the fight started over her. >> Got it. >> She didn't get locked up or nothing, >> of course. Yeah. And what did Leonetti say about this when he found out? >> No, he knew right after the next day, you know, like we got in a fight, he know. >> But what did he say to you? Was it like, "Hey, thank you." Oh yeah, he was Yeah, him. You know, yeah, he was which we, you know, was right. They were bothering his mother, but she was she was juiced up, but he didn't put that in his book. >> What was the main falling out with you and Leonetti? >> There was no falling out. He went to jail. I never seen him again. >> You're not complimentary of him. >> No, he's a He's a piece of But I mean, there was never no falling out. He went to jail. He got pinched with my father and them. Then he never he he never got out, you know? I mean, I never he I never seen him again. >> Yeah. So So your biggest thing for for a person to go from zero to piece of is cooperating. Once that happens, done. >> I mean, he's look what's his book? Mafia Prince. He they don't want to go to jail. That's the main thing. >> Did he ever cooperate against you or No. Did he ever uh uh rat on you or No. >> No. So there is no direct conflict between the two of you. >> No. >> Yeah. Cuz he called he says Merino, he's the only guy that said it. He said Merino is the worst human being in the world. He said that in the interview. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He's the worst. >> He killed He killed his best friend, Vince Falconee, and then married his wife. Married his girlfriend. >> He killed his best friend. >> Yeah. He don't tell you all that. And then tried to blame his uncle. He was in love with a girl, Gina. This I forget her name. Gina. I mean, going back 40 years ago. His best friend was Vince Falconee. Vince was a cement guy. He They were in business like, you know, concrete, cement, whatever the he did. He was in love with Vince's girl. He killed Vince, blamed his uncle. his uncle. They got acquitted of it and then married the girl and he's a nice guy >> and then married the girl. >> Yeah. Married her, Gina. And she went in a program with him. >> Now the story is that Nikki ordered that hit, though. >> No, that's what he wants to say. No, he was in love with the girl. It's true. I mean, he married her. He went in a program. He He took her with her. He wants to blame his uncle. His uncle had nothing to do it. And he robbed those aunt's money and the family jewelry, you know, like his Nikki's wife's jewelry, his kids jewelry. >> Him and his mother went, "Yeah, I remember when when we did the interview with uh Phil, uh his lawyer, very good guy. We've talked many times, nice guy." Um they came in and we sat down. It was the only interview where he didn't want his face and voice to be shown. >> Only one. And uh we agreed to the uh to the face, but not the voice. >> Voice, right? >> So, I don't know if you saw the interview, but you know, yeah, his face is not >> He wears a wig, the >> If you type in Netti, >> you'll see it uh the way it was done. And Rob, I give you permission to show it with AdSense. So, you're fast forward a little bit. probably just go to right there. That's how it was. >> Yeah, that's how it was when we did the interview. >> Yeah. He didn't want nobody to see him. >> Yeah. He didn't want anybody to see him. >> They nut. >> Yeah. He never told you that though. He married the girl, then he blamed his uncle. >> Yeah. >> They all got the same story. The bottom line is they don't want to go to jail. That's it. Soon as the handcuffs come on, it's over with. >> But he But directly, he's never done anything bad to you. >> No. >> Directly. >> But he's a he's a piece of He's a scumbag. Look what he did to his uncle. He robbed his uncle. >> When you say that, how did he rob him? How did he steal money from his uncle? You're saying Nikki Scarf >> whenever before he went in the program. He He was in Lewisburg. The mother was living there. He told the mother, "Get all the money." They robbed I guess he knew where his uncle. >> How much money was it? >> Uh I have no idea. >> Is it in the millions? Like real money? >> Yeah, a couple million they said. I mean, and he took all the money and then he let went he got out, buried his poor uncle, took the family, whatever his wife and kids, they took everything. But he and he blamed his uncle for the murder that he he did and he married the girl. >> Was Was Nikki a similar model guy like you that he never talked to anybody, never met with the feds, never did anything? Was Nikki like that as well? >> Oh, Nikki. Yeah. >> Scarfl never. Yeah. >> Was he locked like you couldn't get nothing out of him? >> No. I think he was a good man. Yeah. He was a man. >> Who who who are people you see that way? >> Not too many today. >> Would you say John Gotti senior was like that? >> Yeah. Yeah. John I mean I don't know him personally but he was >> you're complimentary of him. John Gotti. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. 100%. >> You guys never met him. You guys never you never did anything together? >> No. >> Do you ever meet a Frank Colado or No. >> Who's that? >> You know who Frank Colado is? It was with Tommy uh I'm going to say Tommy Spelatra from Vegas. There was a part of a Chicago faction and they moved to Vegas. So you were purely at that time when you were doing business deals. Are you going anywhere else or is just purely focused on Philly? >> No, I still I lived in Philly. I don't I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know none of these guys. >> Yeah, he was one of the coldest guys I ever interviewed. Um he he died in August 20 uh 2020. The only informants I knew out of all these guys is Leonetti and uh Ralph. >> The only ones you know were those two. >> Yeah. >> Got it. >> Like all these other guys that are on shows and social media talk about me. I never seen him. Never was in jail with them. >> Never was I never seen him in a restaurant. Never seen him nowhere. >> What's the best compliment you ever got? >> What's the best compliment some of these guys give you? >> Compliment. >> Keep on doing what you're doing. So that's what people tell me. >> No, but what I mean is compliment is like in your eyes, what is the best compliment another man you respect can give you in your eyes? Like what is a compliment that Sunny or Nikki would say about you to say that's a real compliment in your eyes? >> I don't know. I thought it >> is it more loyalty? Is it more, you know, um, feared? Is it more what you do to people? Is it more keeping your word? Is it more what what would it be? What would, like, if if if if I'm your son and I'm saying, "Dad, what's the best compliment another man you respect can give you?" What would you say it is? >> Keep your word. Your word. Your words. That's all you got is your word, >> right? >> I mean, for real. who when you were when you were a kid growing up with did you have somebody you looked up to a role model like I want to be like this guy when I grow up? >> No, I mean like the older like we hung out with kids over in the school like we were like 11. They were like 14 so they were like older head like the old head you know we look like just >> tough guys. >> Yeah, tough guys. All good athletes. We played every sport. Played baseball, hockey, I played ice hockey, football. I mean every sport we played. >> Who was like a name like at that time? Was there anybody you looked up to that ended up being somebody? >> No. I mean like athletes we loved, you know, wanted always wanted to be a baseball player. >> Who was your guy? >> Oh, like I mean uh football zona for the Dolphins. Zanka Zanka. >> Really? >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, basketball players want the everybody want like all the kids want to be like Jordan, you know what I mean? Like just like like that. >> Who was baseball for you? I mean, you said football, but I thought you were talking about baseball. >> Yeah, we had what I look like. I mean, >> Mike Smith. Mike Smith. >> Mike Schmidt. Wow. Makes sense. >> Yeah. Larry Ba, you know. >> Got it. So, all local. >> Yeah. Yeah. All local. >> Got it. >> There's a lot of good baseball players. Hockey. Bobby Clark. That was my auto. >> Yeah. >> Flyers. I was a kid when they won the cup. They won two years in a row, I think. Yeah. He was a great Bobby Clark. That was my first jersey. Number 16. No, that's not the Bobby Clark. It's a different Bobby Clark. Yeah, that's that's him. >> Yeah. >> Did you play hockey or No. >> Yeah, ice hockey. Yeah, I played. That was my favorite sport. >> Did you guys play? >> Really? >> So, today is my favorite sport. >> Ice hockey. >> Who else played ice hockey? >> All my friends. We all played We played in Jersey. Like we used to play. Yeah. That was my favorite sport. >> How'd you get introduced to ice hockey? >> We always ice. It was right over the bridge. We loved it. We played a street hockey like on you know they didn't have roller blades and it was roller skates and we went to ice skates. Yeah. I love hockey. Greatest sport. You see what they did to the the American hockey team? They hate them. hate them for it. >> Just because they went to the White House and >> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah. What's that girl's name? I hate her. The soccer player. >> Uh Rapone Rapo. What is she? >> She looks like she's dying. Look at her. She got balls. >> She got balls. Just look at her. >> You don't think she's attractive? You don't think she's sexy? Because they they looks like she's dead. Another six months, she'll be dead a year. And she buried the hockey team. >> Yeah. >> She hates There was another one. She hates Trump. >> They hate this country. >> How do you deal with these guys? I mean, I'm assuming you love America. You're >> I love America. Yeah. They hate this country. >> How do you think they get to the point of hating the country that made them who they are? >> I I don't know. They They all complain. They all They don't want to stand up for the national anthem. Then leave. Go back to where you from. >> Yeah. >> Give all your money back and go back to where you're from. Go play over there. Do you have an opinion on what's going on right now with Iran? Do you see what's going on with Iran, with Trump, what he's in? How do you feel about what he's doing? >> He did the right thing. >> They've been trying to kill us for 47 years. >> So, you're supportive of him doing what he's doing. They're killing all the 50 plus guys. >> Yeah. him. >> You know, apparently they killed another guy yesterday. Hear about that? The chief uh intel guy. >> Yeah, he got it yesterday. >> Like that's like the director of their CIA. >> He told Trump, "You won't be around too long. We're coming after you." >> Yeah. Israel says it killed Iran's top security leader as Tan targets US embassy in Baghdad. >> Listen, they've been killing it. Well, Carter. He was I mean they killed all the Marines. They killed I mean they they've been bombing us for years. He gave him he gave him the warning what was it eight months ago that said all they had to do is say we're not nuclear weapons. >> They didn't want to do it. >> They don't want to do it. >> Yeah. Didn't want to do it. By the way, you know, I'm sure you see the Epstein stuff that's coming up. >> Yeah. >> How did you guys How did guys in Was there ever somebody who was a pedophile in South Philly? And if yes, how'd you guys deal with him? >> I mean, no, not that we knew of. Like if they might have got like locked up and then we never seen >> anything happened where a guy, 40-year-old guy raped a 13-year-old girl. Was there any stories like that? >> I mean, you heard a read in the paper. No, not in our neighborhood. No, >> not in your neighborhood. That was a known. Like, if if somebody did, what would have happened? >> No. They beat him the up. They should cut their bowls off. >> Do you think Do you think some of that needs to return? Some of that fear in communities to where you can't act like that? >> Yeah. Look what they do to these kids. They rape You got to be a sick to rape kids. >> I mean, you really do. >> I agree. >> They should cut their balls off. >> That should be a new policy like proposal to the president. >> Yeah. And also they're so protected in jail. You have no idea. >> Who? Pedophiles. >> What? Protected? >> Protected. Now there's different levels. Like in a penitentiary, they can't come in. There's all different level. There's there's USP penitentiary. That's high. >> Mhm. >> Then you got Well, you got the ADX, that's the super max, but you got the penitentiies. Then you got medium. They can't go there. Low, they could go Well, the lows are full of full of pedophiles. And if you hit one of them, you get five years. It's a hate crime. >> If you hit one of the pedophiles, it's five years. >> If I hit just say Joe Joe blows here, I know he's a pedophile. Yeah. You you rape it and I crack him, it's a hate crime. >> Now, if you crack anybody else, what do you get? >> Nothing. No, you go. >> So, so a guy gets in, he >> hit a pedophile, you get five. >> Is this serious, Joe? You want to >> swear my swear my mother. >> Are you That's insane. >> Insane. Yeah, they protect. There's so many of them. See, like years ago, one or two got caught. Now with the internet, I guess they do all this traffic and whatever the they lock thousands of them up. There's thousands of them. Thousands >> in the jails. >> Well, what what I hear is if you're a pedophile and you rape the kid, you go to jail, they kill you. They destroy you. >> So those guys were untouchable. >> No, they're in they're in Lowe's. They can't go to a camp because of safety reasons. So they keep them in low. There's I was in Coleman Low. There might be 1,900 inmates. 1,500 are pedophiles and the other 300 are rats. >> 1,500 are pedophile. >> Yeah, there's pedoph. >> And so when a guy comes in and he's a pedophile and you guys know what happens like is it like don't touch him, don't mess with him or go look at him, don't talk them. >> Do they come to you, try to talk to you, be funny you >> get the out. Don't even Yeah. Don't sit there. They got But one thing about jail. If a guy walks in, just wait. Wait three days. Just watch him. Whatever he is, he'll find his own element. Three days. Three, four days. If he's a If he's gay, he he'll find gays. He'll be s with the gays. If he's a pedophile, he'll be s with the pedophiles. He's a rat, he'll be s with the rats. If he's a Christian, he'll go with the Christians. If he's a stand-up guy, he'll be with the standup guys. That's it. It's like an X-ray machine. You see it? It's crazy. >> No, it's nuts. >> Wow. So, naturally, you're going to gravitate towards your >> find your level. Yeah. Yeah. >> Were there a lot of gays in in in prison? A >> lot of undercover. Yeah. But, you know, not too many, you know, like not flaming ones, but yeah, there's there's some, you know, >> and they find each other, too. >> Yeah. They find each other. >> No, it's not. >> Do they give their asses handed to them or No. >> No. I don't leave. >> They don't bo they don't bother. >> So, if you beat up a pedophile, you get 5 years. You get if you beat up >> nothing >> you so you can beat up the >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. So they don't support. So the jails don't protect >> they call haze. They call a hate crime. >> If you hit a pet of I am still shocked by this. >> Yeah. The bop. >> This is a law like by the >> I'm going by now I was one west I was here 2019 when I was away. I don't know if they changed it but I don't think they did. >> There's too many of them. There's so many of them. Yeah. They protect. That's interesting to say in South Philly um when you were there no stories of pedophilia, no rape, nothing like that. >> Was it just a feared like if you're going to do anything don't do it here? >> I don't know. I mean nobody likes pedophiles. I mean unless it happened when we didn't know, you know what I mean? But I never not really like in our neighborhood. >> Interesting. Epstein, what do you think about the whole Epstein situation? What's with you know the stories? Did you ever have any uh in know anything about him? Did you ever know the name? >> No, I mean I heard the name. I read it >> long time ago. >> Yeah. Long, you know, I I don't know him. >> Okay. What do you think about Trump with him? The Trump got to do them? >> Bill Clinton was in his house more than him. >> No, they're all sick. They're all sick people. They all got they all got billions of dollars. They're all sick. They're They should cut all the balls off. They should >> Yeah, >> for real. >> It's a lot of balls. >> Yeah. I mean, but they hit it all. They hit it all. If that was us or the their crimes. >> Yeah. If that was me, they I would have got hung dead. Be dead. There. That's why I said there's different set of rules for different people. >> What's the luck? The feds are watching this podcast. >> Oh, they're probably watching. You might get indicted with me. >> Is there any fed Is there any are is is are there any feds that became friends? >> No. Never. >> Yeah. Has anybody tried to like befriend you? come. Hey, you know, Joey, we were bad to you. We were this. We were. >> No. >> None of them. >> No. >> If they tried you, you're not >> I won't them. >> Hey, Joey, let's go have dinner, man. I remember 30 years ago. Nothing. >> Never. >> Who Who will you not have dinner with? So, it's feds. Who else is like a for you? Cuz you're a black and white guy. Who is somebody that from the previous life? Hey, let's try to rekindle, you know, etc. >> No feds, no rats, no child molesters. I really don't know childlers, but that's it. Like I said, you want a job the cheese steak. long as you're not a rat and fleer, we'll hire you tomorrow. That's it. If I tell him, you got to bring your paperwork cuz you got to show it. I don't know your case. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. By the way, there was a guy um that apparently was part of a crew in um Philly. Nickname was Gorilla with a pagan. >> Oh, gorilla. Yeah, I know Gorilla. >> Gorilla. Tough guy. I think apparently one time he got shot 18, 19 times and he still made it. >> I know Gorilla. >> Yeah, >> he's old now. I don't I need a seven. >> I mean, he looks like Dave. You if you pull up his That's the one right there, Rob. Steven Gorilla. If you pull up his picture to see what he looks like. >> Um, this is not somebody you'll ever forget when you see him. Go to images. Uh, go to the bottom left picture. Bottom left. >> Yeah. >> Friendly guy. Yeah. So, he ran a crew. Couple of the other guys. There was a um there was a crew that ran by I'm trying to see who this was a uh anyways there was an African-American of some some some other gang that were leaders there as well allegedly based on my contacts from Philly there was a massive mutual respect towards you with them why why why did these other crews respect you the way they did >> I he's my friend I mean I get along go with all them they come the cheese state place. They support us. South Philly, everybody supports everybody, believe it or not. >> They they support everybody. >> Yeah, they got a lot of good people in South Philly. >> Is that part of the DNA if you're South Philly? Got to help you win. >> Yeah. I mean, we all we look out for each other. >> Who's known as the most successful guy that came out of South Philly? Is there like a name? Because you know in Boston, you see how Mark Wahberg is protective of Boston, Dana White. There's a lot of pride for Boston. >> Yeah, Boston. >> Who are the names? Who are the names from South Philly? >> Ain't too many. [laughter] South Philly. Little from South Philly that made it. >> Frankie Avalon. >> Okay. >> Bobby Ryell. >> The Ger. Yeah. Bobby Ryell. The Ger. Jerry Blav. >> Do you know? So, not a lot of >> Yeah. Not a lot of >> Why is that? Why is that? No. >> Not I can't think of nobody. I mean, you think of Philly. South Stallone Rocky, you know, but he's not from South Philly. He's not from South. >> I think he's from Philly, though, right? Rocky, where where's uh Stallone Stallone from? He's a good guy. >> He very good. >> Yeah. He's down here as well. >> Yeah. >> He he bought the house I looked at. It's a beautiful house. The guy who built the house, is he from South Philly? >> New York. >> City. Manhattan. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The house he bought, the realtor who was showing me the house started telling me the story about the house. He says, "Yeah, I bought this for my girlfriend and she was uh going to take care of my art collection." Very, very good storyteller. The guy was. And then we looked at the house. I'm like, "Yeah, I don't know if we're going to live in Manalipan. It's a great area." >> Yeah, it's beautiful. >> But, uh, yeah, it's a beautiful home. Uh, last thing I'll tell you before I wrap up. >> Reason why I brought Sunny up to you is the following is good friend of mine who again, um, Philly, >> you got a lot of friends. >> I do, man. I do. They're I just get along. I was in the military. You know, I'm a guy that's been doing business in, you know, every state for the last 25 years, insurance, finance, business, and I like stories. I like hearing people's upbringing and learning about what they're doing. He says, "Pat, let me tell you why this is going to be a different interview for you with Joey." Says, "I know Joey." I said, he says, "I I grew up." He says, "Their crew path is," this is the word he used, "Impenetrable." He says, "No one's ever going to say anything." You have to realize no one's ever going to say anything. He says you can ask 50 different questions. Joey's not going to tell you nothing. Okay? And he says, "Everyone's like that." He says, "And by the way, this is why we love them when we lived in South Philly." And he got in a lot of trouble as well. He was a part of a couple smaller crews, but a lot of respect for the guys. And the reason why I brought up Sunny is you have no idea how hard I I tried to interview Sunny. I'd go visit, he would sit down, we would talk, we would have great conversations. By the way, he was 102, 103 years old. He could still remember things. He would tell the girls at the place, "Hey, Mary, come here. Mary, fix my hair. I got to look good for Patrick. Come fix my hair. Grab the comb. Why are you going the other way?" I told, "Sunny, I'm coming, Sunny." And then she would come, grab the comb, fix his hair, and you know, I'm like, "So, Sunny, when are we going to sit down so you can tell the story?" Patrick, what do you want me to do? The only thing I have is the fact that I never talked. 55 years I did time. You want me to go tell the I said, "Son, if you don't tell the story, the market's going to tell your story in a way that's their version, not the truth." He says, "I can't do nothing about that. You're going to have to kill me, bury me, I'm going with my story, and I'm not going to talk about anything." Three times, Joey, I went to him. >> We're driving and we're going to the stallion spot. I have this expedition. He's sitting ready. I got the whole crew behind me. And I said, "So, uh, Sunny, um, what was Lucky like?" Great guy, family guy, honest guy, very good guy. I said, "My Lansky, what was Meer like?" I heard he was a billionaire. He made a lot of money, deals in Cuba. I don't know about any of that stuff. All I know is he was a standing guy. He was a very good guy. I said, "What was Bugsy like?" He says, "You would never call him Bugsy to his face." I said, "Well, what was Ben like?" Ben Seagull. Standup guy, great guy. you know, the same thing. And this pattern kept continuing. We're together that day for two or three three and a half hours. And eventually, I walked away. We never got the interview. And uh but I walked away and I said, "By the way, some person uh uh faked him and went there and they set up a camera. He had no idea he was being interviewed." And they interviewed him. They put him, it's like a 13-minute podcast somebody did with the father, Sunonny Frances. I walked away. I said, "Here's a guy." The stories. One time a guy's in his house, flirts with his wife, is too friendly with the wife. This is again allegedly. We have to put that, you know, word allegedly. >> Allegedly, he goes in the kitchen, he beats the guy up, says, "Why would you flirt with my wife?" Cuts him up, burns his body, and kills him. This is allegedly, of course, right? Yeah. When they say how many people he took, you know, 50 55, you know, the numbers are between 40 to 55. True gangster, Sunny Frances, and you hear stories about him partying with Jackie Kennedy, partying with Marilyn Monroe. Like, these are the stories. I know your grandfather had a relationship, I think, with Marina with Marilyn Monro. >> Yeah. My my grandmother went to a wedding. >> What stories does he does he tell you about? >> Uh, my he died before, >> but they were friends. Yeah. >> Yeah. So to me, you know, part of uh you reminds me of Sunny. You know, part of you reminds me of Sunny because neither one of you guys would talk, >> right? >> No matter how many ways I ask the question, the mob doesn't exist. >> No. >> So these guys are liars. >> Yeah. >> How do you feel about the fact that they lie about mob existing? >> They've been lying about us for 100 years. So, are you a f fan of uh uh uh the guy that started the FBI? >> Who the Oh, Jay Uber. >> Yeah, Uber. Cuz he said it's it's not a real thing. The mafia doesn't exist. >> Yeah, he said it. >> Yeah. >> Who else? >> If he said it, he must be right. >> Wow. Do you watch mob movies or No. >> No. I never watched Sopranos. >> You never I've never seen Sopranos, by the way. >> I never watched what episode. >> Me neither. I've never seen Soprano. >> He was a rat, too. They said one of the episodes. >> Allegedly. >> Yeah. Hey, you sat down with the FBI? I mean, in the show. >> Yeah. >> To you, once you do that, it's over. >> Yeah. >> You've never sat with the FBI once? >> Never. >> Ever? >> Never. >> No. The only time I've seen them is when they locked me up. >> How many times were they offered to sit down with you to stay? >> They never They never offer ever. >> They never offered. >> Why did they never offer? >> I don't know. I'm glad. I mean, I'm glad they didn't. >> So, they never even said, "Joey, you don't need to do 22 years. You don't need to do 12 years." Never. >> Just snitch on this guy and you'll never get it. >> No, we were facing 12. I was facing death penalty twice. Our Rico case in Philly, the one in what 2001 when I got pinched in 99, we're facing that me and my son Kodas and I made my lawyer get up. You know, here's the problem. A lot of guys don't listen. I was no older boy. Yeah. That I steal Yeah. Receiving stolen property. Yeah. I did that. Did we gamble? Yeah. And I told my lawyer, "Get up. Tell the jury this is what we did. This we we gambled. We We received stolen property, stolen stuff, but all this other stuff we didn't do." And the jury got shot and came back. They quitted us of everything. And my guidelines for receiving stolen property and and gambling, I was supposed to get 50 something months. He gave me 14 years. >> 50s something months. They give you 14 years. >> Yeah. It was only receiving stolen property and gambling. Gave me 14 years. >> Were you ever afraid of going away? >> No. >> Was it just kind of like part of the life? >> You could go make the best of it. Work out. Jail saves you. Preserves you. >> In what way? >> Well, you're in bed by 9:00. You don't drink. You work out all day. You don't smoke. You practice on your game. Your your ging. You run. You exercise. I'm 64. Minus 22. I'm only 42. >> You look great, though. >> Yeah. I'm only 42. Yeah. >> 62. >> No, I'm 64. >> You're 64. You said minus 22. So 42. >> Yeah. Well, 22 years didn't count. So I'm only 42. >> What's the future for Joey? What are you excited about? What's the future look like? >> To be the next Jersey Mike. >> To be the next Jersey Mike. Yeah, >> I saw the video you made by the Jersey Mike. steak. >> You have that video of Jersey Mike's. Type in Berlino Jersey Mike. >> That was that and Pat Stakes is is neck and neck. >> Got to see this. That's the one right there. Yeah. Watch this. Turn the audio if you could. >> There you go. Top. There you go. My daughter just door dashed >> Jersey bike cheese steak. How the are these people in business? Look at this. What the is this? It looks worse than pets. Look at it. >> I don't know how to open it, It won't even open. Look. What the is [snorts] this? I got to just take one bite and throw it out. >> I don't want to get How do you want to get Oh, get the out. hot. Listen, it was dear. My daughter, we went to Naples. They came down with her fiance. So I said, "We are BB house." So I'm She's like, "Dad, you hungry?" I said, "Yeah, I want to Jersey." I said, "Jurgery Mike's." She said, "Yeah, it's all around here." And uh I think I asked I said, "What about the what's the place? The chicken place?" Chick-fil-A. >> Chick-fil-A. >> They're closed on Sundays or something. Yeah. I said, "You got to order they got cheese steaks." I said, "I don't know." I said, "No." I said, "Guess what? Get me one. I want to see. But that's why I want to be the next Jersey Mike. They sold for $9 billion. >> You want to build the next Jersey Mike? >> Yeah. Skinny Joe was telling put them all over again. >> What a story that would be if you pull that off. >> I want to sell it for billion dollars. Buy a yacht, an island, and that's it. That's how my life's going. >> That's the dream. >> Die on a boat. it. >> Die on a boat. >> Yeah. First thing I'm buying is an airplane, though. Soon I got money. I can't take his the airport to travel. They're TSA. How often do they recognize you, by the way? >> Oh, they recognize you. >> They recognize Yeah. Yeah, they recognize you. But now they're on strike. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm seeing [snorts] the >> Yeah. The Democrats, they don't want that. They're dying for an attack to happen here. That's what they want. >> Yeah. >> Democrat. >> You think it'll happen? >> They're going to do like in, you know, like ones. >> Inside. >> Yeah. Like, you know, guy driving it. But I always said, did you see the other day they in Michigan when they drove through the thing? >> See all these school shoots? I've been saying there for two years. You could stop it. All you got to do is get five five veterans, you know, that need a job, make him stand outside school with with a machine gun. A guy walks up, dropped the gun, they don't just kill him. You'll never see nobody else going to school. >> The guy drove the car through Mexican. They killed him. >> Mhm. >> He would have killed all them kids. He had bombs and all. But you need you got to put people outside the schools. >> You think streets of New York were safer in the 80s or today? >> No, in the 80s. My neighborhood. My neighbor used to leave the doors open. If you lived across the street, nobody locked their doors. I could walk in your house. >> Surely because the fear of some if you're retaliation if you do something. >> Yeah. Nobody did it though. Like nobody ever broke in nobody's house and raped girls and They're all nuts today. They're all in drugs. >> What do you think about mom Danny? What he's doing to New York City? >> Oh, that I hate him too. >> Yeah, >> I hate him. Hopefully he get run over. But it's it's Philly now like Philly New York. It's bad. bad. >> Fight awards. So I I didn't know you wanted to build a bigger than uh >> Jersey Mike be billionaire by yacht by a plane. >> That's it. >> Be free and enjoy yourself. >> Yeah, that's the I mean that's the best revenge, >> right, >> Joey? If that happens. >> I mean it's >> I'm not going on the yacht. You're coming on the yacht. >> I I'll you do that. You know, I'm going to sit there and say this is this is a wild uh success story. I can only imagine if CNBC and some of these guys have to interview. So, today we have the CEO and the founder of, >> you know, Merino Steakhouse. So, uh uh Mr. Merino, is it true that you How did you go from this to this? I'm just a regular guy. I can't wait to see that interview. >> I'm gonna give you the interview. >> That would be a classic interview when that happens. Uh uh so podcast, right, Rob? If we can. So the podcast is the skinny with Joey Marino Stuff >> and Little Snuff, by the way. He's a very good >> Yeah, Snuff's good, right? >> Very good. Why? What? Where does he get his talent from on camera? He's very good at work. >> You know what? When I first started, I said, "I want to do a podcast." How >> did you meet him? >> I know him my whole life. I know his father. His like his grandfather is my father's age and I'm his father's age. His father might be a year older than me and we're all from the same neighborhood. All gambling degenerates, you know, play cards and hang in hangouts. >> Yeah. But when I first started the podcast, Kevin Connelly, you know, Kevin Connelly, of course. Yeah. So he said to me, "You got to find a guy like a sidekick." And he was, "Who the am I going to find?" So he said to me, "All these guys." I'm like, "I don't want that guy. I don't want Who was the one guy?" Some I said, "No." I said, "Wait a minute. I might have a guy." Cuz Snuff was Snuff did car commercials. You know, he worked at the car dealership. And he >> So I know nothing about Snuff. All I know is when I see him, he is very talented. Very talented. So, I got in one of his car car commercials. I text him. I said, "Send me one of your car commercials." I sent it to Kevin. He said, "That's your guy." He said, "He's the best. He's good. He's good at what he does." Uh Rob, what's the what's the guy that um Tony came from, you know, uh uh where they came to the house, he was supposed to come to lunch and he has a channel and uh good-looking guy. Yeah. This guy. What do you know about Tommy T? Cuz he there's some rumors that he >> I was in jail with him. Oh, you were in jail with him? >> Yeah, he was I was in jail with him. >> No relation? >> No, not at all. >> He's not your son. He's not anything. >> My son? Yeah. My son? >> No, you were in jail with him. >> Yeah, I was He was a nice kid. Nice kid. >> Got it. >> I was in jail. >> Have you ever done his show or No. >> No. Okay. >> He's got a big show, right? >> He's got a big show. He's got a good show. Yeah. He's got 876,000 subs. Yeah. He's actually a very good interviewer. He had me on and we had a very good conversation together. Yeah. When I see snuff, I I tell myself that's a for a personality like you, there needs to be a guy like that that knows how to get the information out and how to do it in a respectful way. And he gets it. >> Yeah, he's good. He's good. He really is. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy. I'm I love him. He's like like my son. >> Well, so we're going to put the link below, Rob, if we can to uh the podcast, the Skinny with Joey Marino. And is there a website for the cheese cheese steak place or no? >> Yeah, I got to get it for >> Do you have that or not set up? What's the website here? >> Let me snuff >> the skinny Joey's cheese steak. Put the link below there as well for the steakhouse. And now I want to the the cheese. Oh, now I want to try the cheese steak. And I got to come to Philly to try it out. Yeah, >> let me know when you >> But last but not least, we got to wish you a happy birthday, man. We brought you a cake. Thanks. >> Your birthday. So, let's sing for uh Joey on three. One, two, three. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Joey. Happy birthday to you and many more. >> Can't blow it up. >> This is legit candles, guys. There you go. >> That's my favorite. >> Is it carve out? >> There you go. I love it. >> Ice cream cake. Best cake ever. >> I love it, man. >> Thank you. Thank you, sweetie. >> Good choice, Alicia. Thank you. >> Well, happy birthday to you. I know we've been trying to do this for a long time. I'm glad we finally >> I look forward to it. >> Stuff will bury him. >> Stuff is Yeah. Yeah, we really really like his uh talent and I know one of our guys used to work with you in the past. He's uh right there are >> good-looking guy. Yeah, he had nothing but good things to say. So, and uh to all the feds that are watching, >> apparently he's never been part of the family allegedly, but you guys got to keep doing your job. But uh he keeps beating you guys. It is what it is. So, well, listen, like I said, the old administration, you know, back I'm going back in the 80s, 90s, they were I mean, I like Cash Patel, the new administr, you know, these guys are >> Yeah. >> You know, but I'm I'm talking about the older I ain't talking about the new min. They were they were they were worse than anybody. Crooked. >> Listen, I they had a case, my friend's case. I was away. We had three FBI agents on. We're on the air, right? >> Yes. >> We had three agents on the case. They admitted that they lied on work application papers to get a raise to to be able to move up to make more money. The judge told them, "We're not allowed to." >> They were getting on standard, doesn't we're not we're not you're not allowed to use it. You're not allowed to use it. If they lied to get a raise, you think they won't lie to put some money in jail? These are FBI agents. No, they were crooked back then. They were they were they were bad. They were really bad. >> Joey, the fact that you're not saying anything, man, that's just, you know, I I I talked to Jonah Mendes. She was a former chief disguise officer for the CIA for 20 years. She married uh a very well-known CIA agent that was in there for 31 years. What's the guy's name? She married? Uh, she married a very, very well-known CIA guy. Can you type in her husband's name? You're going to know who he is. Very, very well-known guy. Yeah. Tony Menddees. Okay. Legendary CIA officer known for the Canadian Caper Rescue Mission. So, anyways, one time they married each other, by the way. They wrote the book, The Moscow Rules. Anyways, one day I'm with her at the uh right outside of the White House. I'm talking to her. I said, "What's the great quality of a CIA agent?" And she said the most incredible thing. She said, "A great CI agent is somebody that can save the free world, just help take out a leader that would have done something very bad to the world, and millions of lives are saved, but he has no desire to want to brag about it to the world." She said, "That's a great CI agent." >> That's right. >> Competitive, charming, charismatic, but doesn't need to say anything on TV because they don't need the accolade. >> Right. Little bit of that is if you were the boss of the Philadelphia crime family. There you go. >> If I'm just saying if you were for a long time. I mean a little bit of that is like the you know it's like the cousin of CIA because you know they're never going to say who they are and what they did. So you you got to kind of respect I'm sure you respect guys like that. >> I'm not even the boss of my family. Yeah. >> Believe me. >> All right. Well, we we're going to we're going to wrap it up right there. I think that's the right way to go. And by the way, Joey's on Man, so if you want to ask him any questions, you can go to Man. We're going to put the link below as well. >> Thank you. >> Great having you on. Thank you. >> My name's Joey Merino. Any questions you have on Man you want to ask me, I'm an expert in sports, gambling, restaurants, we got the best cheese steaks in Philly. Anything you want to know about Philly, South Philly, Atlantic City, reach out and I got you.