Video summary
The video features a host named Bobby Guys interviewing comedian Jason Scoop on the "Fallen State" show, where the central theme revolves around the theological inconsistencies of modern Christianity as perceived from an Islamic perspective. The interview begins with lighthearted banter about Scoop's viral Trump impersonation and his Catholic background, but quickly shifts to a serious examination of Christian beliefs when the host questions Scoop's certainty regarding Jesus Christ dying on the cross for humanity. When pressed for evidence or logical reasoning beyond simple faith, Scoop becomes visibly agitated, claiming he "knows" it is true without being able to provide proof, which the host identifies as cognitive dissonance and a sign of unexamined beliefs that cause fear when challenged.
As the questioning intensifies, Scoop's demeanor deteriorates rapidly; he repeatedly chants the name of Jesus, expresses panic about needing his phone, and eventually flees the room entirely, leading the host to question whether the segment was a skit or a genuine display of mental distress. The host uses this reaction to illustrate a broader point about how many people cling to religious traditions inherited from their parents without critical inquiry, comparing Scoop's situation to the host's own experience converting to Islam after questioning Orthodox Christian family traditions. The narrative argues that such unverified beliefs are fragile and that true knowledge requires evidence, contrasting the historical claims of Christianity with the timeless monotheistic creed of Islam which focuses on the existence of one God and His messengers rather than specific historical events like the crucifixion.
The discussion expands to critique prominent figures like Jordan Peterson, suggesting that his practices of meditation and silence prayer align more closely with Buddhism or Islamic mindfulness than traditional Christianity, while his rejection of original sin mirrors the Islamic view that humans are born innocent but influenced by their environment. The host argues that Peterson's anti-Muslim rhetoric stems from associations with the Nation of Islam rather than an understanding of actual Islamic theology, noting that mainstream Christians would likely label Peterson a heretic for his deviations from Nicene Creed doctrines. Ultimately, the video concludes by emphasizing that all human knowledge regarding the past is based on assumptions and faith in historical accounts, whereas Islam offers a clear, verifiable message through the Quran that transcends historical limitations, leaving viewers to reflect on the comfort found in unshakeable truth versus the anxiety of unproven beliefs.
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What you going to do when you find out
he didn't die on the cross for you?
>> Muslim.
>> Get away from me. Get Jesus. Jesus
Christ. Get away. Jesus. God. Wait, I
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>> Where is your phone?
>> Where is my phone?
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All right, guys. Welcome back to the
channel. If you're new, my name is Bobby
Guys. Jesse. Jesse. Jesse. This is truly
amazing. Jesse Lee Peterson is the host
of the Fallen State show and today he
has a comedian on named Jason Scoop.
Jason Scoop has been going viral lately
through his Trump impersonation, but
apparently he has been a comedian for a
long time. Anyways, what I find
fascinating is that Jesse Lee Peterson
is a conservative in the manosphere and
is considered a Christian by himself as
well. He is a pastor even. I don't know
where.
I have no idea in which church, but the
interesting thing is that he doesn't
believe that Jesus is God. He believes
that there is only one God and now in
this clip you're going to see that he
doesn't even believe that Jesus Christ
was crucified. But still he considers
himself a Christian and even more so, if
you've seen his interview with the
Muslim Lantern for example or other
Muslims, this guy is against Islam even
though he is a Muslim
in his belief. Anyways, guys, before we
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>> I have with me the one,
the only
Jason Scoop.
He is a stand-up comedian and actor.
Welcome to the show, man.
>> So great to be here.
>> Amazing.
>> This is an honor, dude. I'm starstruck.
>> It's amazing to have you here.
>> It's amazing to be here. I got to try
that coffee. I don't want to slap my
mom, but I'd love to try that coffee.
>> don't want to smash your mama, don't
drink it.
>> Oh, well, damn. You know what? It might
be worth it.
>> And that's right.
>> I was livestreaming dressed as Donald
Trump two nights ago and a woman who
happened to be a lesbian, she was on a
date with another woman, maced me. I was
literally just doing the dance, just
being goofy and fun, and she maces me.
>> Are you serious?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I got maced by a lesbian.
>> And you were doing a live show?
>> Yeah, I was livestreaming on Kick. So,
yeah, it's dangerous.
>> Are you sure, yeah?
>> Yeah, but I got to got to do it, man.
What God wants me to do.
>> That's right. Absolutely, man. That's
amazing. Are you a Christian?
>> I'm Catholic. So
>> Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
How did that happen to you?
>> Well, I was born to a Catholic mother
and father, and um
yeah, I I I I believe Catholicism is the
right one.
>> Are you new?
>> I do, yeah.
>> You worship Mary?
>> What's that?
>> Do you worship Mary?
>> Uh
uh so, I'm not the most theologically,
you know, I'm not a theological scholar,
but I I when it comes to God, I I spend
most of my time thinking about Jesus.
>> Oh, you do?
>> I find this so ridiculous, man. How can
you make a truth claim and say I believe
that Catholicism is the right one, but
then at the same time, when they press
you on a very simple question, do you
worship Mary, tell them then, "Oh, well,
I'm not a theological scholar." I love
people that have strong beliefs. For me,
it's interesting to hear when they have
a strong belief, but I can only respect
and appreciate it when it's being backed
up with something. If somebody tells me
they're hot at Krishna, they're Hindu,
they're Buddhist, whatever, I want to
hear why that is and then I want to
challenge the belief. But when somebody
tells me this the right religion and you
ask him a simple follow-up question,
they cannot answer, man. What's the
point then? You're admitting right away
that you're ignorant and brainwashed.
>> Magically, you know, I'm not a
theological scholar, but I I when it
comes to God, I I spend most of my time
thinking about Jesus.
>> Oh, you do?
>> Yes. Yeah.
>> When you are thinking about Jesus,
what are you thinking?
>> Uh I'm just thinking he was great,
right? He died for us on the cross and
try to be like him, you know, and
just let you know, lots of thoughts. I
just try to keep that, you know, and
>> And what good does it do you to think
about Jesus?
>> Uh what good does it do me? I think it
just makes me feel good. It makes me
feel like I feel like a lot of people
who don't believe in Jesus get like
depressed and they don't know why.
>> Yeah.
They're angry.
>> Angry. And then they just
It's like that lesbian
>> To be totally honest, let's see how this
plays out, but for now I can already see
that this guy is angry as well. Up until
now, I've only seen reels of him when
he's dressed up as Trump and he's
impersonating. It's quite funny, but now
that I'm seeing his real persona here,
more or less, he seems like he has a lot
of issues to be totally honest. He seems
very stuck up. So, everything, not only
the Trump persona, but even him being a
comedian, being the funny guy, seems
like a persona to me just looking at
him.
>> Lesbian who mazed me.
>> She doesn't believe
>> I'm amazed.
>> Yeah, cuz I don't maze people cuz I'm
like Jesus wouldn't, you know, Jesus, he
wouldn't be running around mazing
people, right? The Lord, you know. But
yeah, these angry
>> Was it a black lesbian or white lesbian?
>> It was a white
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Your own people.
>> My own people.
Yeah, what did this what I yeah.
>> And so said that Jesus died on the cross
for you?
>> Yes.
>> And why did you Why do you say that?
>> Cuz that's just what I believe.
>> And why do you believe that?
>> Cuz I just know it actually. It's not
even a belief.
>> You know he died
>> it. I know it.
>> But how do you know that?
>> I don't know. I just do.
>> Wow.
What you going to do when you find out
he didn't die on the cross for you?
>> Muslim.
>> I mean
that's not true.
>> Is that true?
>> That's not true. I mean he did die on
the cross for me.
>> And
but you have no proof.
>> Uh
>> You just believe it.
>> No, I believe it and I know it.
>> And how do you know it for sure?
>> Because I know it.
I'm 100% sure he did.
>> Really?
>> That Yes, that he did die on the cross.
>> put up money on that?
>> Yes.
>> How much?
>> Local tree
>> My whole life. I'd put everything on it.
>> How much is your life is valued at?
>> My life is
I love Jesus and I'm getting up and I'm
leaving. I am leaving this room. Goodbye
everybody. Goodbye. Goodbye. I'm leaving
this
>> Come back.
>> I'm leaving this room.
I'm leaving this room.
>> Ah, that's a skit, bro.
>> Open the door.
Okay.
Open the door, please.
>> No, for real.
>> Please open the door.
>> Wow, man.
>> Jesus.
>> Dude, this guy has been talking about
people getting triggered previously in
the interview. I cut all those parts
because they're kind of boring. He's
talking about liberals and whatnot and
then he gets triggered simply when he's
being pressed on his beliefs. But here
you could see cognitive dissonance in
action because he noticed himself at
least subconsciously that he doesn't
really know. He said that he believes
because that's just what he believes and
actually I know, but the reality is that
you don't know and that makes people
afraid. People get really, really scared
when their beliefs are challenged,
especially those beliefs that they
haven't examined yet. I talked about
this example years ago when I reverted
to Islam at all effect. I was 16 years
old at the time and we went to a family
celebration of my best friend. My best
friend was Serbian and therefore
Orthodox Christian and they celebrated a
specific saint. Which one it was I'm not
too sure, maybe Sveti Nikola, who knows.
Anyways, everybody gathered, everybody
was eating pork, drinking alcohol,
having a good time, partying and I went
up to his father and asked him what we
are celebrating today. I didn't try to
be funny. I genuinely want to inquire. I
want to understand what the celebration
was about. When I asked the father, he
got outraged. He looked at me and got
super triggered and said, "Why do you
care? Why do you care so much? My father
celebrated, my grandfather celebrated,
I'm going to celebrate too." whilst
drinking alcohol and eating pork again.
For me this was absolutely shocking as a
16-year-old because I had this thirst of
knowledge. But most people then I
realized really do not have it. Most
people want to live in their comfort and
they want to do exactly what their
ancestors have done. And so now you see
it here with him as well. He is
Catholic. Why? Because his parents were
Catholic. If he's been asked though why
Catholicism, "Oh well, because I believe
it's the right one." If he's been asked
why it's the right one, he cannot tell
you. If you press him then a little bit
further, he will give you the typical
Christian talking points, "Oh well, I
believe in Jesus. Jesus wouldn't do
this. Jesus wouldn't do that and he died
on the cross for us." How do you know?
Where's the proof? No evidence
whatsoever and now this funny comedian,
hahaha, is running out of the room.
Anyways, I'm still thinking that this is
a skit but I see the video only
continues for two or three more minutes
so therefore this must be real. Let's
see what's going to happen.
>> Get away from me. Get Jesus. Jesus
Christ. Get away. Jesus. God. Wait, I
need my phone. I need my phone. Where is
your phone?
>> No way.
>> Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.
>> Did you pray?
>> Is he joking?
>> No way.
>> I think he's coming back.
>> He must be coming back.
>> He left. Is he joking?
>> This must be a skit.
>> real?
>> I'm shocked, honestly.
>> He's gone. Wow.
>> No way.
>> What's his name?
>> Jason Scoop.
>> Jason Scoop?
>> Jason Scoop, bro.
Wow, man.
Wow, bro.
>> I still think he's acting.
Jason is gone.
The show is over.
What the What am I doing with this boy?
I got to go.
>> No way.
No way.
>> forget if you like this
>> For real, that's it.
>> very interesting guest on the show.
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
crazy, man.
>> This is absolutely unbelievable. I'm
really lost for words right now after
seeing this. As I said, during the
interview, all of a sudden I got this
hunch that this guy really isn't who he
pretends to be. Not only with the Trump
persona, because yes, he's a Trump
impersonator, but when he was presenting
his real persona here on this interview,
even this one seemed absolutely fake.
This guy is extremely mentally ill that
you cannot simply sit there and have a
conversation once somebody's pressing
you on your belief system is showing
that you are not only delusional, but
really severely emotionally handicapped.
>> Wow, man. This is why the
>> Quran is so because the Quran says that
the Christians stand only on
assumptions. They don't really know.
When I read this passage many years ago,
I was absolutely struck because it was
hug, it was truth. I realized that the
Christians cannot know. Nobody can truly
know what happened in the past. Look,
even we as Muslims, if we're completely
honest here, we cannot know what
happened in the past. Of course, to our
best abilities, we can examine certain
sources and say, therefore, we do
believe those claims. We believe those
historical claims, etc." But in the end,
as humans, we simply do not know. You
can tell me about Aristotle, you can
tell me about Alexander the Great, you
can tell me about Nikola Tesla, you can
tell me about all kinds of people, tell
me how great or how bad they were. The
reality is, I will never know. I will
sit here and take it upon faith that the
historians did their job, and therefore
what they are saying about those people
is actually true. This is the best that
I can do as a human being. If we're
completely honest, all of our beliefs
that are based on the past cannot be
100% verified, and therefore they are
beliefs, and we take them upon the best
evidence. So now you might wonder,
"Okay, why are you a Muslim then?
Because this is based on 1,400 years
ago." Well, I will give you the answer.
As I said, yes, we have historical
claims as well, and to our best ability
we accept certain ones of them. But when
it comes down to the creed of Islam,
what does it proclaim? It proclaims La
ilaha illallah, Muhammad Rasul Allah.
Meaning, there is no god worthy of
worship but Allah, and Muhammad is his
messenger. To simplify this even
further, there's only one god worthy of
worship, and he sent a messenger. So if
he sent a messenger, there must be a
message, of course. The Quran is the
message. It is essentially the message
in a bottle, right? If you're out on the
island and there's a message in a
bottle, you might not know who wrote
that message, but there certainly wasn't
author to it. There was a messenger,
right? So the truth claim of Islam is
simply that there is only one god worthy
of worship, and that this god sends
messengers. So this is a timeless
statement. It is not a statement that is
only bound to history as such. We talk
about pure monotheism and a defining
characteristic of that god, that this
god has a communication method through
messengers. However, when it comes down
to the creed, and you can read the creed
of Christianity in the Council of
Nicaea, in the Nicene Creed. Here you
go. I mean
Look at this thing, you know. It's not
one statement. It's not one sentence. I
believe in one God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things
visible and invisible. I believe in one
Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten
Son of God, born of the Father before
all ages, God from God, light from
light, true God from true God, begotten,
not made, consubstantial with the
Father. Through him all things were
made. For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven and by the Holy
Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary
and became men
My point of the story is that when we're
talking about this Creed, the only thing
that you can know is that you believe in
one God. And the rest is all bid'ah. The
rest is all addition. It's insane. And
this is why Jordan B. Peterson actually
is a Muslim without even knowing it.
Jordan B. Peterson is advocating for the
silent prayer. The silent prayer, and I
practiced this back in the day as well,
is when you simply sit down in a
meditation essentially. You simply
observe your thoughts and let them go.
Jordan B. Peterson has been confronted
many times by all kinds of people that
told him "Well, you're not really
practicing Christianity here. If
anything, you are practicing Buddhism
because you're sitting in meditation
here and you're simply observing your
thoughts. This is Eastern mysticism."
Jordan B. Peterson would always act
dumb, and he's not dumb at all. He's
perceived as dumb by many people, but
he's not stupid whatsoever. He always
likes to say himself, "I'm black and
slow." A person that is really slow
would never say that about themselves,
of course. They don't have the capacity
to realize how slow they truly are.
Jordan B. Peterson is playing an act
here. He's actually way, way more
intelligent than people give him credit
for, and this plays into his favor, of
course. Every time he's being pressed on
a specific question, he doesn't need to
answer. He's simply going to pull out
and tell you, "Oh, well, I'm so stupid.
I'm so slow. I don't know." The reality
is that he is mixing and matching
Christianity with Buddhism. His
technique is the silent prayer. Now,
anyways, I have nothing against
meditation. I believe that the
introspective spiritual exploration of
our own selves is very important. But
when you do such things, and I have
heavy experience with this for the past
15 years or so, you actually realize
that you find yourself in the now. You
find yourself truly in this moment. You
don't think about the past, you don't
think about the future, and you are like
a child essentially, just here and now.
And when you reach that awareness, you
realize as well that you've been
believing a lot of falsehood, or at
least you've been subscribing to many
ideas that you cannot really clarify,
that you cannot verify whatsoever,
because it is beyond you. As I said
already, you cannot verify anything
truly within the past. leave it to the
historians, and then you can say, "Oh,
well, this is more plausible." It is
very similar to the science debate. How
many atheists nowadays, agnostics will
tell you, "I believe in science." Well,
listen, I love science as well. It's
amazing, but I'm not a scientist. So,
therefore, I don't really understand
much about science. I studied one
semester of pharmaceutical chemistry,
and that's how far it goes. I don't
really understand much about science.
So, therefore, if a scientist tells me,
let's say there are atoms and molecules
and whatnot,
I might take it up on good faith, but I
don't really have any proof or evidence
for this that I can verify for myself.
It's simply impossible. It is the same
with claims for outer space. I've never
been to outer space. Probably I will
never go to outer space. But, we take it
up on belief that there is outer space,
that the Earth is round and not flat.
You might make a good argument for it or
against it. Either way, the reality is
that you cannot truly know. You're
working with certain ideas, certain
belief systems, certain parameters that
have been given to you, and then you
make an assumption. It is a belief
system. That's just what it is. And as I
said, many people are very uncomfortable
to live in a state of not knowing. This
is why they latch onto ideas to feel
more comfortable. Anyways, be that as
may, Jordan B. Peterson, through his
meditative practices, I assume, reached
the state very similar to that of a
Muslim. He believes only in one God. He
believes that Jesus Christ was sent by
God. He believes that Jesus Christ was
not crucified for our sins. Matter of
fact, he doesn't even believe in the
original sin as such. He believes that
we are born into sin through
dysfunctional households, meaning the
only sin that we inherit out of his
perspective is the sin of the parents in
the sense of that they've been in a
mess. You had an abusive mother, abusive
father, what have you, and now you're
born into that environment and therefore
you will essentially go through your
traumas until you can let go of it. This
is what he preaches forgiveness, to
forgive your parents in order to be
truly free. The funny thing, however, is
if anybody calls him out theologically
on Christianity, on the Bible, he will
call those people Bible thumpers, people
that are heavily obsessed with the text,
with the literal meaning of the text,
but at the same time he is a pastor, he
is a preacher, but invented his whole
new branch of Christianity. He calls it
the fellowship. Then at the same time,
as I said in the beginning, he hates on
Muslims. He calls them the Allahu Akbar
people. I believe that is mainly due to
him associating Islam with the Nation of
Islam. He's black, obviously, and many
times when he talks about Islam he's
actually bringing those Nation of Islam
points, which can't even be considered a
sect of Islam to be totally honest. It
is a completely separate movement.
They're taking the Quran, but then
they're telling you that Allah is a
black man, which is insane because the
Quran itself says that Allah is like
nothing within his creation. Allah is
not a black man, he's not a Chinese man,
he's not a white man. But him being at
the age that he is at right now, I
believe he's in his 70s already. I'm
sure that he got influenced by the
Nation of Islam. And therefore every
time he talks about Muslims, he talks
about Islam, he's bringing those talking
points, and therefore he doesn't really
see what Islam is, which is very
unfortunate because I would make the
claim that 99% of Christians, or at
least Christians that are really
adhering to Christianity, will call him
a heretic and will kick him out of the
church. Anyways, guys, I'm going to cut
off the video here.
I still can't believe that this guy
really ran out, man. He really ran out
just by being asked how he knows that
Jesus was crucified. Jesus. Jesus. Lord.
The Lord. The Lord. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.
I really thought it was a skit, man.
Anyways, this is it for today. If you
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>> Yeah, enough
of it.
Let
us
see.