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Okay. You can retire 50. >> Mhm. >> So, so this right here, >> so who is that? What does they do? >> So, I'm going to give you a quick overview. So, this area right here is the plaza area. If you look straight up above, we have wallpost one where the officers grab their weaponry and then head out to their assigned posts. We have roughly uh 13 wallpap and 10 towers that man the facility. Over here we have RHU, restrictive housing, an area where you're placed pending investigation for any drugs, weapons, contraband, battery on staff, attempted murder. All of those things will get you a trip to RHU. We also use it as a um CO precautionary area. If you have CO- like symptoms, they'll place you in that building. It is also used as an overflow for uh restrictive housing for other facilities that don't have space. >> Okay. >> Right. If you look over here to the left side, we have chapels A, B, and C where the guys are able to participate in religious services all throughout the week. >> Straight ahead, we have the San Quinton Infirmary where we provide pretty much all the same services any regular outside hospital would with the exception of major surgeries. We do not conduct any major surgeries here but dental, vision, x-rays, preventative care. We have a pretty extensive mental health program on the second floor. And then we have the fourth floor which is our psychiatric inpatient program, our PIP, about 50 beds up there. >> How many inmates here? >> Uh right now we have roughly 2262. So we kind of fluctuate uh with 2,300. When I started there were 6,000. So we were right at that single cell status. So, every housing unit right now has single cell with the exception of one housing unit and there's 250 beds. It is double occupancy. >> Damn. 6,000. >> I'm going to take you to a unit downer Elu, the earned living unit, an area where you're placed if you're a programmer. Uh you cannot have any disciplinary in that unit for 2 years. About 3 years ago, we started a puppy program >> partnership with K9 Companions. So, we have roughly 21 handlers and about eight dogs that recently got little Quinton. >> Yeah. old puppy in prison. >> Okay. >> No, I was on the block. They had all the dogs when I was on there when they in Pennsylvania on a leash. >> Okay. Gilly. >> I'm just >> Yeah. >> Down there. >> Yeah. He's You know he is a nut. What's up? How y'all brothers feeling, man? You know he's a nut. Good. I follow y'all on the ground. Yes, sir. I'll send it to you right. >> It's a pleasure, brother. He's a nut, man. >> He's a nut ass [ __ ] I say it for you. >> Especially in in your uniform. >> Look, she checking on her dick. Especially >> What's up, bro? >> How you feeling, baby? >> How you doing? >> I'm good, brother. >> I'll send it to you. All right. >> You going to be sending a bunch of flicks out today. You hear me? >> Yeah. It's all good. >> Okay. >> Is one of the guest speakers today, I believe. >> Damn. It seemed like it's real. It It's real smooth in here. Like everybody everybody where they everybody where they need to be. >> Yeah. So, San Quinton started out as a level four facility. >> We are now a level two. So, we we house everyone here. >> Yeah. >> You're coming here to basically take advantage of rehabilitative programming. It means that you're going to set your prison politics to the side and you may be housed with someone who doesn't look like you, who's not a part of the same community as you, but really it's just one common goal. This right here is the South Block Runda. It is enclosed by four different housing units. We have Carson section, Badger section, Alpine section, and Donner. So, just to give you a little history, Carson section used to be the old administrative segregation. Okay. >> The address section over there used to be the old reception center levels 1 2 3 4. Never knew what you were going to get. >> Mhm. >> Alpine used to be sensitive needs. Donner used to be a mix of reception center and back in the day it used to be the old uh condemned. So a lot of history here. Right now >> when you say condemn you mean death row. >> Correct. >> So now it's one main GP >> housing >> general population. >> Yeah. So this is Donner. Donner has the EU. We're looking to have all of our housing units pretty much mimic what's going on in >> How you doing, man? How y'all doing? How y'all doing, man? How y'all doing? >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> So, >> okay. How y'all doing, man? >> Good pizza, huh? >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, they y'all build these to keep the public. >> Hey, Trevor. >> What's up? What's up, C? >> How you be? How y'all be? >> What's happening, C? What's going on, C? >> How you doing? Yeah, >> are off. >> I was just giving them a little context. >> Hey, buddy. >> Puppy program, but >> All right. Uh, welcome to San Quinn. >> Hey, buddy. >> Who do we have with us today? >> Hey, buddy. >> Really? That's my cousin Wild right here. >> All right. Welcome you guys. >> Uh, this is the earned living unit here in the earned living unit. Um, you have to be write up free for the last 2 years. uh you have to be actively participating in rehabilitative programs. What that looks like is going after your AA degree, your bachelor degree, uh doing self-help groups, uh facilitating self-help groups. A lot of the facilitators for the programs here at San Die uh where we're at right here in this particular fencing area is uh KI Companions puppy program. Uh K9 Companions is a national nonprofit uh service dog provider. Uh they just celebrated their 50th anniversary on July 4th this last year. Um K9 Companions only deals with uh labs and golden retrievers and mixes of the uh of both. Uh they do that because of their willingness to work for food and their temperament. Um here we teach them 42 cues >> and a lot of behavioral and this sets them up for success when they go to professional training. Uh we have the dogs for 12 months. Um during that 12 months they'll leave us uh three separate times for about a month each time to get training that we can't provide in here. Um, so that's like meeting children, uh, riding in cars, going on airplanes, going to the grocery store, that that kind of thing. Um, so a lot of the cues are instrumental in setting them up for success. Like, uh, Cooper, can you do a touch with Quint? >> Quinn, touch. >> So that translates to, uh, Quinton learning how to turn on a light switch or push an elevator button. Okay. >> Um, we teach a lot of behavioral like uh >> Rosa right there. >> Yes. Good girl. >> So, this is so that they know uh like if the person might be hard of hearing, they know the dog is here, they can feel the dogs, touch them. Um, there's other things. leg. Throws it down. Down. Good girl. So, you see how her legs are kicked out that way? So, if I'm in a wheelchair, her legs won't get run over. >> She knows. >> Move them off to that side. Okay. So, if if she's on this side in a wheelchair, her legs won't get run over. Good girl. >> How long did it take you? How long did it take you to >> train her there? You know, >> I've had her for 2 months. >> Oh, damn. >> So, yeah, it doesn't take long. They're very intelligent dogs. Uh it's been an awesome program. Uh for myself, and I I pretty sure I can speak for everyone else involved. Uh it is a wonderful way for us to give back to the community while still incarcerated. because no matter what, like whether the dog makes it all the way through the program or gets dropped, like they still get uh adopted out to donors for K9 Companions. So, I know this dog is going to go on and make someone else's life way better, >> right? Whether it's a full-blown service dog, therapy dog, uh you know, they have all different kinds of jobs that these dogs get. >> So, it's uh it's awesome. It's awesome for us. It's awesome for the staff. Sometimes staff will be uh having a bad day like, "Hey man, can can we see the dogs?" Absolutely. You know, so it's it's a really good program here at San. Um, >> we don't have much time, guys. So, I'm going to mans. >> Thanks, man. >> All right, guys. >> Yeah. >> What's up, y'all? How y'all doing, man? Family, man. All right. >> What's up, bro? How you be, bro? How you be, bro? Much love, bro. What's up, man? How you feeling, brother? >> Leave that. >> You guys want to take a quick picture with myself? >> Yeah. Come on, man. >> Come on, guys. >> Go Birds, baby. >> Like the like the Eagles, huh? >> Go. >> Oh my god. San Francisco. Come on. >> Help me. These dudes are tripping. >> Hey, you better let Frisco Philly know you here, bro. Quick picture right here with the light. With the light. >> One more. One more. One more. Gotcha. >> That's right. Go. We be back in the chip this year. We be back in the chip this year. >> Here we go. Come on now. >> Gay boys. >> Yes. Yes. He coming to the city when we play the Niners. >> Crew. >> How y'all doing, man? >> Doing man. Ryan, >> how you be, man? >> All right. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. >> How you been? >> Yes, sir. They just produced a a really nice documentary um over here. >> Um and then also we shot a documentary about the fatherdaughter dance too. >> Yo, this is major man. >> Yeah, it is. >> I definitely got to come back here. It's >> a good time to be working at God. >> Didn't used to be. >> What's up y'all? How y'all be, man? How y'all brothers be? >> Yeah. >> Damn. That's crazy though. Film festival. >> I know. You coming? >> Yeah, I'm coming. Okay. >> I'm going to get I'm going I'm going to give you all I'm going to get all information. Perfect. >> Damn. This is crazy, man. >> Damn. Look at this. This like >> Oh, I know. >> This is like the free world. >> Yeah, >> this is crazy. How yall doing, right? It's incentive, >> man. It makes you want more. >> Correct. >> It makes you feel like How you be, bro? It makes you just want more, >> right? >> Make you feel like, damn, >> this look crazy. >> Yeah. >> We would like to think that San Quinton is the flagship of rehabilitation. you know, we don't have the crab in the bucket type of mentality. We want this to be throughout the entire, you know, state of California with >> How hard is it to get here if I'm at another prison? How do I get trans? >> You can't sign up, but with positive programming, you can then work your way to um >> towards here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So many of the guys that are here started at level four facilities and with positive programming, they've worked their way down to a level two. >> They changed their energy. >> Yes. >> In order to come here. Correct. >> It's major. >> Damn, this is crazy. >> Yeah. >> So, computer coding usually is here. >> Uhhuh. >> Um, >> how y'all doing? >> Happen on Fridays. >> I believe >> this episode of Me and Osworth a game is brought to you by DraftKings. The wait is over. Football is here and so is DraftKings. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in 50 states. All 50 states. California, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Massachusetts. It don't matter where you're talking about, DraftKings is there. That means anywhere you looking for the excitement at, you can find it. 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What's up? >> Oh, man. >> Just giving What's up, folks? How you doing? A quick tour of uh what we do here. You got anything queued up? A good two minutes. We don't have a whole lot of time, but I just want to let on uh >> What's up, bro? How you feeling? >> All right. Well, real breezy. >> We'll just go around introduce ourselves. My name is Ryan. >> Abdul, intern. >> That's Andrew right there. and uh we're the film department here at San Quinton where we share stories of the incarcerated, but we also try to teach guys on how to film and edit in hopes of creating a pipeline to employment. Um we are fortunate enough to have an Instagram and a YouTube page where we post majority of our content and that's in really that's for uh the public to see the work that's coming out of here, >> but also to change the perception that society has on those incarcerated. I know there's all kinds of shows out there like Love After Lock Up or Locked Up that sensationalize violence and all kinds of other [ __ ] So, I think us it's it's great for us to be able to take our own narrative and share like the stories that are meaningful to us that deal with redemption and accountability. So, we uh I don't know if y'all heard about the film festival, our annual >> October. >> I just invited them. >> Well, it's awesome. It's it's a way for us to basically uh measure where we're at compared to other filmmakers out there in the world cuz like we don't get uh I mean we taught ourselves and actually that's that's >> what makes us unique and very proud because like a lot of this is like teach one uh you know what I mean and uh one teach one >> yeah I mean and so one of the films that we got behind this year is a film that was directed by uh Sophia and Luis Salet right here and uh it's a short documentary. So, real quickly before we show them, you want to kind of give them a >> Yeah. >> So, showing this film, I think we we wanted to highlight the the effects of generational trauma and specifically addressing the Cambodian genocide and um and discovering oneself uh in the most odd places, which is prison. And um I'll just get to the trailer. That >> was great, man. >> Good work, man. >> She was shot pretty good. >> That was good work, man. >> Self talk, >> man. Y'all be >> I might got to replace my camera crew. No, I'm just >> You can't have my guys. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. >> Not available currently. >> All right. >> Hey, uh, can we get a picture with the guys in here? >> LT, can we get a picture with the guys? Come on, y'all. Let's get a picture together, y'all. Come on y'all. >> What's up everybody? This W267 right here. San Quinton, San Quinton Media. What I need y'all to do right now is go follow SQL. They got all type of documentary, short films. I'm talking about this top flight content creators >> and it's live from where? >> It's San Quinton. But see, this is the reality of it. Everybody got a camera. >> Do everybody know what they doing? I just seen some work. These guys know what they doing. Follow their social media. They're doing it in real time. They're creative just like anybody else in the world. Go to the website, man. Check them out, man. Wallow267. We out here in San Quinton. San Quinton Media. >> Yeah, I got you on, man. >> Hold on. Let's get a picture. Take the picture. Take the picture. >> They is they writing. >> This is Lieutenant San Quint news. >> What do you mean? >> What's up? How you doing? Wow. What's up, family? >> How you doing, man? Peace, brother. >> Good. >> Yes, sir. How you doing? He helps us with >> How you doing, man? How you doing? >> She's an adviser. >> Hi. How are you? >> So, this is the San Quentin News, the newsroom of our great newspaper. It's been around since 1940. >> Uh it had its ups and downs over the years with disagreements about whether it should be uh published. But uh since 2008, that's the latest iteration. Uh it's come back in a very strong way. and we've done 194 issues interrupted only by co and we're doing really well. We went up to 24 pages uh color from four pages black and white. Now we've scaled back to 12 pages because we want to go uh online. We want to go digital 100%. We also including the the women's paper now from CCWF paper trail. And here's some copies for you. And uh yeah, our staff on a Friday at this point would be in rehabilitative classes. >> Okay, >> that's what we do in the afternoon. >> Okay, >> now we we go to grip. We go to >> um this is a group called guiding rage into power and uh >> this is go to lots of other classes such as that uh is and everything else that's going on here. And um yeah, we're very proud of this this this thing. It's it's actually a really really really good paper. >> And it print it print it print here. >> It's now it's printed at Maren Sunan printing. It used to be printed actually pretty much right here. And that's the women's paper. >> Yeah. It used to be printed on the floor of this space. >> So um uh right, wasn't it right here? I think it was Yeah, it was right here. So, uh, >> so Will Frell was here >> after a couple months >> was here. >> Um, >> he came with the love baseball team. We actually have other >> Where you guys from? >> Philly >> program guys. >> Podcast. >> Podcast. Okay. >> Yeah. >> But this is the new media center on the news room. It's very different from where we used to be. We used to be in uh Oh goodness. in a law in a building that used to be the old laundry. I sat next to a window that wouldn't close >> summer or winter. So, >> it's great to be here now and have air conditioning and be in this environment. It's really inspiring. And Sergeant Graves says we have to we have to go. So, thank you for coming by, sir. >> What's the name of the podcast? >> Million Dollars Work of Gain. >> Million Dollar. Oh, I've seen that on the tab. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. No problem. This episode of Me and I Worth a Game is brought to you by Revolve. My schedule's been packed lately. And when there's no time to overthink, Revolve, man, is the move. It feels curated, not chaotic. You're not drowning in 10,000 results or 50 pages of product. It's edited in a way that makes sense. Everything is styled so you can see how it works. Not just a product on a white background, but a whole outfit. Revolve Man shows you what goes with what. so you're not guessing. Fast shipping, easy returns, two-day shipping is free and returns are easy. So even if you order a couple options for a trip or an event, it's generally stress-free. You find one piece you like and the site shows you similar options or a full look. 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How you doing? >> What's up, man? >> How you doing? >> What's up, homie? >> How you being, man? >> Wallow, right? >> Wallow, man. How you speak? Hustle. >> Pleasure, man. >> Good to meet you guys. >> Ear hustle, baby. Ear hustle >> and speaks at Juma. So, he'll be here in a minute. You know what? My name is Tom. I'm one of the co-producers here. your ear hustle. >> Okay. >> I'm Tony. I'm the inside managing producer. >> Okay. >> You guys got a rocking podcast though. >> Yeah, man. Our co-creator and co-host. Uh Erlon was like, "Oh, yeah. I know you." I was like, "I've never heard of him. Tell me all about him." >> Yeah. Yeah. We did. We uh hundreds of episodes. Everybody from Spike Lee to Will Smith, ASAP Rocky, uh Mayweather, Mike Tyson, we interviewed everybody. Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll focus when you guys do these hard. Our main focus at the beginning was to really get the young guys in hip-hop. >> And then we just then everybody athletes start calling us like, "Yo, I want to get on the show." >> Cuz it was just me and him by Ourel. It was driven both of me and him just doing it oursel. But everybody was like, "Yo, y'all guys crazy, man. I want to come kick it with you." And what we do is we basically like humanize people, show the other side to laugh, you know, I mean, to talk about real life outside of their craft. Yeah. >> And uh we've been doing it since 2019. >> Yeah. But it's based around giving out game to the youth. >> Okay. >> It's called a million dollars worth of game. But game is guidance, attention, motivation, and education. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? >> Where did you come up with that? Like how' you come >> I mean that was just a saying that I always used to say. I give me and I gain for free if you listen. >> Yeah. you know, and then one day I just decided to just, you know, because I knew that the the kids from the ghettos and the inner cities looked up to me, >> you know what I mean? So, I just decided to just start giving them some game and ways to try to, you know, school them and >> keep them out of the the graveyards and the penitentiary. And, you know, I just used to wake up and give it give it up >> on social media. And then it just went so viral every day >> that eventually they started asking me to do a podcast or a YouTube channel. And when we decided to do the podcast, the first podcast we ever did, went the number two in the world behind Joe Rogan and like >> seven hours. >> Like seven hours. >> What's up? >> Yes, sir. >> How's it going, man? >> How crazy, dude? Good to see you, man. How you doing, man? Cool. Cool. >> Yes, sir. >> Good morning. How you doing, sir? >> Good. Good to see you, man. >> Yes, sir. >> Hi. How are you? Yes, sir. >> That's intriguing. >> This is crazy. >> Yeah. Well, what do we think? >> I love it. >> Love it. >> It's crazy in here, man. >> We've been all over already. >> Good. Well, we're we're we're trying to make a a bigger difference. I think the one knock on San Quinton is um why San Quinton, you guys are so special and we're really trying to just set the flagship for everybody else. We want this to be transferable to anybody else. We want to learn from the good and the bad. So, it's not just about St. Clinton. It's about providing example that it that it works and we know that it does. >> This is like the most >> I agree. >> This is a peaceful prison. >> Yeah. That vibe ain't bad. >> Listen, I just walked through the This is S the famous San Quinn. We just walked literally down the yard without one co with the warden, >> right? >> Imagine that. The war walking through the yard. >> You know what's crazy though? It's beautiful here. Mostly all the prisoners that I've come across, I'm like just being honest. I'm looking at them like that. I can't even picture him being in prison like >> like oh [ __ ] >> So we've we've learned a lot. What we've learned is like this is like a peaceful. >> You're going to hear things like normalization like really really simple stuff but like so I'm an old correctional officer, right? I started as a correctional officer uh sergeant lieutenant. So about 24 years in now. Um, so I remember like we used to give everybody give them toilet paper, give you your duckets, tell you where to go. Um, no rehabilitation, right? And then you get out and you're looking for somebody to give you stuff and you're not doing your own work. So now we create an environment where a we're no longer authorative figures. I mean, some people got to go through the process on both sides, but we just provide support. It's mentorship. It's providing opportunity for you to grow. Most of these guys get up on their own. They set their own alarms. They wake up. They know where they have to go. and providing opportunity to do good or bad, right? Because before we would just say we're not gonna give you a shot to do anything, right? >> That way you don't do anything wrong. But now if we provide a thousand people an opportunity to do good and 10 do bad, we're still hitting over 900, right? Why do you for me spending 20 years in prison, right, I came across a lot of people that that only thing they focus on is job security. They don't care what goes on on the block, what happened. Why do you care so much? Oh, all right. So, here's my thing. Here's what I tell people. I love correctional staff. We're different, too. And I always say this staff and population, they don't like to hear this, but we're very, very similar, >> right? We both got off the bus and had certain rules that applied to us. So, prison's like a culture, right? >> Um, and I fell into that culture, too. And we're kind of told how to do it. When you grow up, you don't want to be a correctional officer. Like, there's not dolls that you play with. You're like, "Oh, I can't wait to work in a prison." you either fall into it because your family says it's a really good job or stability. Um you're waiting for another law enforcement opportunity. Um so to be good at anything, you have to have passion. So if you erase all that and say, "I'm proud of what I do and I really want to do it." It's a people business, right? So if you care about people, if you go out in the community, because this is just a community. So if you go out in your community and you give out, you're feeding the homeless, right? Everybody cares about giving back and you can do that in this community, too. So, I think that's where I found my like happy spot breaking down culture. I think I earned my way and my respect with my staff because I was a gang investigator. I did all the tactical cool stuff. Um, but it never gave me the feeling of um just completing my my true goals of like giving back. So, for anybody in this profession, I think it's just very important that you are giving back and doing the right thing. Um, it's never too late to do the right thing. never too late to >> I heard that last night I think. Um and that's just a great line. So um I think that's the key and I think we can't be afraid. I think both of us are coming to a point where we've done prison one way for a really long time. When I started I was told how to do it. Take your keys and go lock that person up. And then as you mature and grow older it's like wait how do I really want to do it? Why can't I say the liberty's been taken that's the punishment right? We're not asked to do anything else. So now we provide opportunities and the bottom line is 95% of our population is going back. So when you think about that number, everybody you saw today is going back to your neighborhood. You guys are from Philly. >> Yes. >> So if we're sending everybody to Philly tomorrow, I don't want you mad at me saying you guys send us a bunch of guys with drug habits and still gang banging and all that stuff. They have degrees and trades and humanity overall. One thing that I liked from walking through here that I that I got and I I really love it because I used to always think about this and I tell people about this. Y'all giving guys right now skills. All this technology, the podcast, the media. These dudes can go right out there off the media and thing and start shooting weddings, getting nice money or just start shooting content for people, you know, the podcast, the uh the newspaper, the the coding. It's like and this even when you walk walk through here, it's all good energy. I for me, I spent I spent 20 years in prison. So, I know what this feel like this feel more like a uh >> a camp. >> No, like a halfway house, >> right? >> And and it's crazy because it's sad because you got county prisons >> that feel more like a penitentiary than this do. And this is a historical spot that everybody heard about San Quinton in the world, but be able to walk in here and see the change and see the possibility. And you giving guys hope to be like, I want to do better. Cuz you know, when you get to jail, a lot of dudes, they be like, "Fuck it. I'm doing time. I'm just doing my time. How I'm doing my time. I don't give a fuck." Yeah, >> but to create a world that makes you want to stay positive and focus on life after prison and the possibilities and y'all showing people what the possibilities is while they still in prisons. I think that's major. >> Yeah. No, I mean we appreciate those those kind of words. I think we're all learning. The other element that people don't get is like I've worked at eight prisons. I've heard the guns pop, the grenades, the smell of pepper spray, the door slamming. That's not healthy for staff either, right? So again, when we're doing time together, when we're thinking about it, I got a guy here in Westblock who I started again March of 2003. His name's Fowler. He pulled up on me. He probably already had about 10 years in. Um I had the wrong keys. He's like, "Hey, youngster, you were using the wrong key and and all this. Um and we built kind of a rapport. >> 20 years later, I see him here and he's like, "Damn, you're bald now." And I said, "You're still alive? You're still alive?" >> Right? But it was like catching up with like really an old friend, right? because we had never had any beef, right? So, we actually do time together and there's many scenarios where you see people that you've known from 8 years ago. >> I wanted to shout out Jelly, man, for for even reaching out to us and he was like, "Wow, I know you going to get this." And just talking to you on the phone and kicking it with you and seeing how how you was just up on it and what the first thing we you said when you got on the phone, he said, "Man, I just want to I want y'all to really come here and shine a light on my guys, man. Like, I want like these guys doing great stuff." You was just like, you were so proud of everything that was going on here, but you was like the manager. He was like this man. You was I'm like, "Damn, this dude's already out." It seemed like you was trying like like straight up. It was just this good energy and you was like holding him down like these guys are doing great work in here, man. I need the world to see it. So, that was important for us to come and Jelly was like, "Man, you going to Jelly just kept telling me and John was like, "You going to love it here while they know how I really am about like the possibilities at the prison." I represent that. jelly represent what you can be if you start if you start believing in yourself and you get delusional and it starts here like you really got to start here and it's like you could do anything out here in America you could you could be anything you could become anything but just seeing somebody that's pushing a co you created a culture here of the possibilities of which that culture is very important you and he's starting now so even by us just coming in here seeing this great work and just this major I just want to salute you and definitely jelly for even thinking about bringing us in here. But just you being so committed on shining the light on these guys that give people so much hope because we never had a time in the history of prison where somebody that the the administration cared enough to make sure that we see that we could be something great >> and I and I salute you for that. >> And we go to our prisons all the time and talk. You know what I mean? That's what we do. He he actually goes up there and cooks for the prisoners and all kinds of [ __ ] I don't know if his food is that good, but >> you lying. Do you see what they say? >> They act like it is right. >> But >> even when we going to speak at the prisons, >> you know, the energy be good, but it's still >> a little dark. >> Still prison. >> It's still gloomy. It's still >> here. It's I don't feel that darkness here. >> Like as we walking through I'm like this look like a [ __ ] college campus. And the people are like, "Hey, what's it? It's just like so I just want to commend you. You guys are doing a really good job, man. >> Thank you. >> And I mean, it it takes a village. We all know that. So, um, we got to get to a podcast. >> Let me let your hand in your business. >> We got accounted for. >> So, welcome everybody. My name is Derrell Davis. Everybody call me Sadique. I'm an ear hustle producer/coesigner. We have Tom W. I'm a co I'm a co-producer for Ear Hustle. >> And Tony Tafoya, inside managing producer. And >> let's hear from all our guests. Let's find out who's there. I'm Wow 267, co-host of Million Dollars River with a game podcast. I go by the name of Gilly the King. Uh >> my name is Jason Jelly Roll Dford. I'm a I'm a musician, I guess, a songwriter. I'm really just a rehabilitated criminal that snuck his way into the entertainment industry. >> Oh, first I got a question. Uh why are we here? Well, I don't I feel like Ch Warden and Chance would say this, but I I know I'm here because I wanted to make sure that Wallow and Gilly their platform is so big that they could see the transformation that's happening here. Because like I was telling them on the way in here, what's happening at San Quinton, even right here, like what we're doing in this new learning center with this podcast, y'all being this many seasons in an award-winning podcast coming out of the most famous prison in the United States of America, possibly the world, is something that should be replicated and duplicated across the entire United States. All 50 states should have a San Quinton rehabilitation center with a learning center in it with the opportunity for inmates to learn. Uh Wallow said it best, right now skills. >> These are right now skills. learning how to podcast, learning how to edit, learning how to do film. This is like current world stuff. Learning how to code, learning how to write old school journalism. This is like current this is >> I we we're to talk about this to probably nauseium today, but I go to, you know, anywhere from 20 to 50 of these a year and speak and sing, you know what I mean? I know Wallow does the same and Gilly. It's a big part of their thing. And I'm here because I want the world to see what's happening here and that there is there's what what what's your phrase you use all the way? Possibilities after prison. I don't >> possibilities after prison. >> It's like it's big time. We just here we we just here to bring awareness about what's going on and expose this to see the type of program y'all got and hopefully other states would take this and you know other states to reach out the the war and in the in the administration here to try to figure out how can we do this too. Like you gota this this right here supposed to be implemented in every state like you said so people can figure it out like is we really just housing people or is we really trying to rehabilitate people because when you sent to prison you sent to prison as punishment not for punishment and when you're sent to prison is a belief system that's put in place that uh the judge is saying I'm sending you here so you get rehabilitated so you come out and add value to society but a lot of places that's not happening but what's going on right here is example of what can happen when you have administration that really care, that really they really believe in the possibilities at the prison and they not just talking about it, they living it. So, this is necessary that we just bring awareness to what's going on here so everybody else can see it. >> I'm just here to uh put a couple smiles on some people faces. >> You know what I mean? >> I like that. Chad, so how can we collaborate? What that looks like? >> Well, I'm here for culture change. So, I appreciate the the the venue and the ability to to facilitate talking about San Quinton, but I think we need to talk about some truth. What's really going on? I think people know some facts. I think the fact is 95% of our population will go home. I think our staff and population suffer from a culture that's just been different for too long. And we need to start asking questions of of how we do rehabilitation and how we do incarceration. So, this is an initiative about staff and the population and creating a community that's ready to give back um once the release. >> I think the temperature in this prison is like it's not that high. It's like the temperatures because the prisoners actually feel like y'all don't give a [ __ ] You feel what I'm saying? Opposed to them just going to a prison. You just there. You just doing your time. You just And here it almost feel like like all the prisoners is like, "Hey, what's up?" Even if they don't know you, they like, "Hey, what's almost like I'mma get a second chance." You know what I mean? >> For sure. Yeah. So I think the temperature here is just like they they need to make the temperature to all the jails around the company around the country like the temperature that's here. >> They can tell people care for him. This is the thing Sadique. I was just telling them I just walked the yard >> of the most famous prison in the United States of America with the warden without one co with us. Literally we came down that hill just me and the warden and like my people. And that's just that's already a stretch from when you brought me here the first time a couple of years ago. the difference in the culture that's happened. I've seen the culture change here in the last how long have I been coming here? Almost two years now, I guess. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like to see this building get built, to see from the first time I got to walk this yard. I got to play music on this yard before. I've been here, you know, I feel like I've been here quite a few times now before the cameras came. We were coming here just to see what was going on to see if it was actually really happening. That's something you don't see anywhere. like the security even seeing this I've seen the relationship with the inmates and the staff change just in the couple of years that I've been coming to San Quinton the way they look at y'all and the way y'all look at them >> you know what I mean and I think that's a big part what what you said is some me and Waller were talking about because I want to make sure I had that statistic right that 95% of these people are going home one way or the other as a as a citizen out there on the streets whether you want these criminals to come home or not they're coming home why are we not putting our best foot forward to make them be productive members of society in the meantime and I think that was the biggest culture shift that I've ever seen a warden have when he's like, "Yo, these guys are coming home. Why can't we make this a better a better o create more opportunities for them to excel when they do get home?" >> So, you know, I want to chime in with that. Right. First off, I I do have to give the administrating props even though sometimes I might not agree with everything they do. Um I'll say that San Quinn has allowed a lot of things that just aren't allowed other presence like even being able to do this right now. Um, so in the spirit of what Sadi was already asking right now with with that being in mind, what kind of collaborations would you guys be willing to do? What are you guys looking forward to doing besides you you've been coming in. So I remember you were walking around people's shoes. You got dudes got wearing your your name on their shoes, right? It's pretty funny. But I would like to know like what kind of things would you like to do to like help expand this like to get more attention to so what we can do if we collaborate as um two different sides. >> Me personally >> me personally uh I'm going to uh tell everybody I know I know a lot of people that got a lot of they got a lot of big microphones or they got a lot of big visibility >> and I know a lot of people that love to come here and share whatever skills they got information do classes. So, I'm definitely going to uh tap into my resources to connect u and really bring some resources here that people that really that really care. >> You know, that's great. >> I I think I want to kind of address that. I think some people look at us having celebrities or or or figures that, you know, carry a lot of weight here to visit and they don't really get it. They think that we're just having people visit for nothing. And I don't think they understand the impact that it has for multiple reasons. A, people want to be seen, right? And what I really appreciate about this relationship, when we first talk and we ask for a visit, I say, "Can you do me a favor? When you come see the population, can you just say hi to staff, too?" Cuz when everybody leaves the gates, the staff's still here, the population's still here, and they're still interacting, right? So, that's what it's about. This bridging the gap between the two that have to be here the whole time, but when you guys come, a people feel heard and seen, right? We're spreading messages and they know that they have a chance to get back. And important people taking time out of their day. I believe you had a pretty busy week. Um, and you guys are pretty busy individuals. For you to take time that means something to all of us and we all feel seen and heard because you came and sent that time and it's putting an emphasis on how important rehabilitation um and and doing it the right way is. So, thank you for that. >> Have I you've never done this podcast? Have you done your husband? I >> have not. >> So, this is your first time. Would you say what you told us about like the importance of the culture of like when you started looking at this as a community and how you as a corrections officer you coming up through the system. I think that's something that that that people should hear on this podcast. >> Yeah, I can do that. Uh so just a little bit I got I got some lived experience too. So my father was incarcerated. So we'll just start with that. So grew up wanting to disassociate with my father but fell into corrections at 21 years old 22. Um and was kind of told how to do corrections. So, I often say that we actually have some similarities, the population and the staff, because we get off the bus and we're kind of told what to do. Prison politics, right, is what we kind of call it. Um, and I saw how it was in early 2003. It was lock them up, throw away the key. And maybe that wasn't my idea. I was just doing what we were told to do. And then the movies and everything else tells us how staff, how prison guards and inmates are supposed to interact. And it wasn't until I evolved and started really finding myself and who I am and finding my own humanity that I said, "Hang on, I can do it this my way." And I succeeded in the department through the ranks. Um, I was officer, sergeant, lieutenant, captain, all that stuff. And then when I started getting leadership role, I understand that my staff's also doing time too, right? And the hardship that they're having in dealing with it and that we're all human, >> right? So just as much as a incarcerated person doesn't want to be known for being seen in blue, a prison guard doesn't want to be known for seeing in a green jumpsuit. So if we break those walls down, we're just it's humanity, right? So luckily enough, I put enough work in. I think I got a little credibility with the staff. They know that, you know, I did the gang stuff, I did this, you know, the tactical stuff. And there's a time and a place for that, but that's not every day. Um, so when I got to a place in a leadership role, I'm like, you know what, we can change the game here. We can do I want people to live long careers. I want people to live long lives. When people parole, I want them to live a long life. When people retire, I want them to live a long life. So, that's what got me hooked into it. I want a passion in what what I do. And this is ultimately it's a people business. >> Now, Sadique, how do how does how does how does it feel having an outlet like this and knowing that you created something that the world could hear no matter where you at your award winning? How do that makes you feel? >> I know it's not just me. It's not just about me. It's about all incarcerated because we tell stories about the incarcerated everyday everyday lives about the incarcerated. Like we want to show that we have everyday feelings, everyday problems. We have traumatic experiences that we live through. Like one thing I do do every day, I make sure I check on the youngsters that's out there because they coming after me. Like it's not about me, it's about the ones that's out after me. So I'm trying to build this foundation for them cuz I didn't have nothing growing up. I didn't have no OG's out there. I didn't have my dad. So, I always got to make sure that I I put my best foot forward and I'm always there for them because I know in the long run they're going to need that. I always tell my daughter, too, like look, it might not be good right now, but it's going to get it's going to get greater. Like, a lot of things you might want right now, you can get it in the long run. Like, be there for your family. Be there for your siblings because they're going to need you. They might not say that they need you, but they need you. A lot of people need this platform. A lot of people that came up to me and said, "I've been listening to your story for a long time. I told my story on this platform. A lot of people needed that because it makes them courageous to come out and tell their stories. So, one thing I do do, I hold all this weight because I know it's not just me. It's thousands of prisoners that's that's in jail all across the world that need that. So, I'm going to always make sure I put my best foot forward when I'm telling my stories and telling other people's stories. >> Let me say this, right? My cousin did 7,300 days in jail, right? He used to call home after probably like eight years. He always used to say, "Nigga, I'm rehabilitated. I I ain't coming home to do no dumb [ __ ] I still got to do another 12 or whatever, >> but I'm already rehabilitated. I'm [ __ ] good. They can let me out now. I don't Nobody still holding me like I'm finished on all the dumb shit." >> And how long have you been here? I've been incarcerated 18 years. >> 18 years. >> How many years did it take you to be rehabilitated that you felt like I ain't they ain't even got to worry about me jaywalking when I get out this [ __ ] I won't even jaywalk. >> More recent than earlier because earlier I was on them yards like him. I was on them yards. I was on a level four yards on a level three yards. It was all dark and hopeless. Like we didn't have no percentage of who was going home. >> I never knew nobody. I never met the warden like that. I only met the warden when I was in when I was in asset. That's the only time I seen a woman. >> You didn't think you was going home, did you? >> I never thought I was going home. So, the fact that you knew you got a possibility now. >> Did that change your mindset? >> It changed my mindset. Not right there. It changed my mindset a little before I got to this prison. >> But when I got to this prison, I seen a lot of people going home and a lot of people put me on the right track. Everybody I ran into was like, "Look, this is what you need to do. This is what you should be doing." It gave me a lot of hope and inspiration. Like a lot of the OGs and a lot of the people that was here, they wasn't teaching you how to make knives. They wasn't teaching you what to do when a when a yard go down. They wasn't doing none of that like how I learned when I first got to prison. They was actually putting you in groups. >> Like the first group I went to when I got here was No More Tears. Like I went straight to a group from here. I went straight to the media center as soon as I got off the bus. >> Like they was actually helping at this prison. That's what this prison was about. Like this soil was built on a lot of people rehabilitation. That's what this prison is. And this is the reason why I believe that this prison is one of the flagships of rehabilitation because of that. >> How much time you got? >> I got 24 in. >> 24. >> I'm Asian. I just aged like an elf. You >> look young as [ __ ] >> How many years a did it take you before you knew you was rehabilitated? >> I would say that it's been a process. It was incremental. um during like maybe in my mid30s when I was like 35 36 I was I got in some trouble on a yard at a higher level yard with a bunch of people. It's race politics in here. Um sitting in the hole it made me realize I was like man I'm doing things that other people asked me to do so I could fit in with them because I still didn't feel insecure about myself. Right. Um, after getting out, I was praying and begging to get to another facility, right? So that I could just slowly branch away from race and gangs. I think that's the process when I started recognizing that, hey, I'm going to actively try to do something about this. I started looking out for groups. Um, and to point out like I give I give the administration props here. However, a lot of the programs, the majority of the programs are created here are made by us, incarcerated men who have been down so long that they saw no hope that they said, "We got to find some way." So, spiritual programs based uh combined with like, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy programs. We combined them together. We and we helped each other out. Fortunately, after getting here, then I recognized that there's a bigger community. So the things you said right now when you walk down that uh that that walkway and you felt like you were just walking with a warden. No need for like 20 officers to guard you. That's also combination of the incarcerated men here. >> It's it's a representation that men that decided to come here and say, "Hey, I choose not to be part of the game and I'm going to actively try to do things." It doesn't mean they do it perfectly, >> but they are actively trying. And so that's that combined with administration willing to uh um to advocate and support it. You know what I mean? And I think together it makes a stronger uh way of rehabilitating people, helping people heal from trauma. >> It's a lot easier to do it when you have a place you feel safe doing it, right? You know what I mean? It's like to think about this man being locked up as long as he was and never meeting a warden unless he was an ASIG until he got here to be sitting here doing a podcast that he's a co-producer on with the warden. That's a culture shift, right? And it's like we were talking about it. My story was that I was I was all I knew where I was going to every facility I pulled up to. I was going to the violent offender gang unit for sure. I had a robbery, attempted homicide case, and I had a STG on me. I had no other choice. My tattoos told too much of a story for me to be allowed to go anywhere else but where the absolute [ __ ] was >> until they let me go to the education unit one time. I got to sign on that sheet of paper to go get my GED. And when they tried to kick me back to the to the VO unit, I went and sat down with our sheriff and was like, "Yo, you know, I don't do nothing but cause chaos there. I don't know how to do anything in that unit but cause chaos. Like, please let me go to this Christian program that's next to this education unit cuz they can't keep in the education unit no more. I've already got my GED." >> And they let me stay in that Christian unit. And that Christian unit ended up giving me a halfway house to go home to. It ended up giving me Christmas presents for my daughter that first Christmas I was home. Because had I not had Christmas presents for my daughter, I would have did something extremely irrational to provide for her because I still wasn't thinking as clear as I am now. I didn't see that we could have had 16 more Christmases together. It would have been the end all beall for me. But these were the little things that happened along the way that gave me little nuggets to be like, "No, this is what's going to make me go in a different direction or in a different path." And I think that it's a testament of administration down. But if I looked at it like a scale, a sliding scale, it's the true combination of inmates, it's it's combination of administration finally being willing to meet inmates where they are. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because more often than not, and I think I think this is this is true, that if more prisons like this existed in California, you'd have a lot less level four yards rioting right now because you'd have a lot more people like Sadik and yourself looking to get to better units like this. Places where they felt safe getting away from that places where they walked into it and there wasn't somebody sitting them straight down and taking them to the side and going, "Here's the politics. We don't get along with them. We don't get along with them." When you you remember when your care package was a blade? Yeah. >> When you came straight in, they gave the first thing they gave you was a blade and a bunch of magazines. Like, here you go, and you need to know who's who on this yard. Instead, they come right in like, "Yo, this is where the education unit is. This is where the groups are. This is what you could do in the media center. This is what you could do there." It's like it's when opportunity meets that moment, right? I think so many more inmates are I think there's more inmates like y'all and like myself and like Wallow than we even know. They just have never had the opportunity to show that because when you're put in a violent place and that's all you you got to blend in. You don't have no choice. You just gota it's protocol. You got to follow whatever the politics are in this prison. You don't have a choice. You can't be the odd man out or you're going to be the first one to get cut. You know what I mean? So I think that that's the biggest thing is that and that's why we're here is because how do we and it's not even about and celebrities coming here for the uh it's more about how can we take and that's why it was so important for me to get Wallow and Gilly involved in this was how can we get people to see we need these everywhere. >> We don't just need one of these in California that can only house so many of y'all. You know what I mean? Like we need to find a way to make this happen all over California. There the majority of the prisons in California should look like this. There should be instead of having one prison like this, there should be 10 prisons like this and one prison like a level fouryard >> and let those who want to continue to kill themselves and do nothing with their lives do that. But give the other people a chance to to get that opportunity that y'all got to get off this to get off the bus here and see something different. And that's to answer what you started this question with Sadique. That's why we came all the way to [ __ ] San Francisco, California. You know what I'm saying? That's why we're here. Mhm. >> Would you guys mind walking us through maybe a couple years sharing like kind of like what you did right now, Jelly, about how you came cuz you did some time or you had a different life, right? What made you uh wake up like how we shared like >> me I me personally I've been in jail first got locked up June 30th, 1990. I was um 11 years old for a couple days on robbery Philadelphia and I you know I just kept being in jail. Wound up spending five years in the juvenile system by the time I was 17. got locked up with two armed robberies, two firearm violations. They certified me as adult, gave me a total of two different sentence, 19 had to 52 years in prison. Because in Pennsylvania, it's like you doing a day for a day. >> Like the first number, the first number is the minimum to where you see the board. The second number is really your real number is your, you know, you not guaranteed, you know, parole is like a that's not nothing guaranteed. It's like a privilege. though. So, you go in here, go to prison, I get certified as adult, I'm messed up cuz I'm like, damn, I'm adult now. Going to prison, I'm scared to death because I'm still young. And you know, and one thing I always share out here when I talk to people about prison, I always share the fear component because a lot of people don't talk about the fear. When you go into prison, you young, you worrying about somebody trying to rap you, somebody trying to stab you. That's the reality that nobody share. And I think what I seen was that our hood, we glorify prison so much that people come home like they was tough and nobody talk about the part where they was scared >> and they like me. I was I'm always talking about, man, I'm in this joint, man. I got to make sure nobody don't try to tackle my ass, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm being real. You know what I mean? So, so, so that resonated that resonated with a lot of people because because I I remember this one person told me, one girl was like, "You're the first person I ever heard came home from jail that said they were scared." >> Yeah. >> And I think that got to connect because it's like >> you actually said you was STD. >> Scared to death. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was. So, so my whole thing but but but my whole thing is like >> Yeah. So when me doing the time, I'm in there doing time and I'm realizing like after you get it, it's only so many years that you can walk the track and you can share the lies, the stories, the streets, all the all the all the trade and the [ __ ] of everything we did that got us here that never gave us no value that [ __ ] up the community. It's only so many years as you keep walking the track and then the ones that really want it, you start seeing them, they stay, they stay back. They stay in the day room more than go to the yard. They start going to the law library. They start going to the school building more. They staying at work and they not coming around because it's like I heard every story. At a certain point, you heard every story. You heard every tough guy story. You heard about every robbery, every murder. You heard about everything. Everything you could possibly hear about to where as though it's like I start tapping into that TV, looking at looking at Anthony Bourdain, looking at the Travel Channel. I'm like, "Hold up. It's a big world out there. The world is bigger than my neighborhood." >> You see what I'm saying? Because the first v the first time somebody the first time most of us go on go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go you know take a trip is when we go into the penitentiary that's the first longest space we ever go from our our community a lot of times so now I'm in prison I'm like hold up this more I'm reading more books I'm reading more and you always going to have the older the elders that's going to put you up on some game so I'm just like man this ain't working man and I one day I never forgot I I woke up I was in a cell was hot cuz you know it was old prison no air none of that stuff. I wake up, look in the mirror. I'm splashing my face. I'm looking in that little fake mirror in front of, you know, the little blurry one. >> I'm looking at that. I'm splashing my face. The wall's sweating, right? >> Yeah. >> And I'm like, damn, man. I can't believe I've been in here all these years for being somebody that I'm not. >> See, see, see, the reality is everybody out here, I I don't care who you are. If you show me a criminal, I'm going to show you a follower. If you show me a criminal, I'm gonna show you somebody that had that that was, you know, impressionable and had identity crisis. I don't want to hear no [ __ ] because we ain't start crime. I ain't created. I ain't. But I wanted to be a part of this idea of what cool was. I didn't want to be called corny or weirdo. So I said, "Damn, let me do some street [ __ ] So let me be accepted." Because we to this day, you know, you got people that's in their 40s, 50, they impressionable. Everybody want to be accepted. Everybody want an identity to be connected to something that they feel as though it's going to get respected. So, I'm doing dumb [ __ ] and then I had to spend all these years in jail. I wake up, I'm like, "Yo, I'm really in jail for being someone that I'm not." Cuz I had a conscience. I thought about the [ __ ] we would do or you know, you know how you you do some dumb [ __ ] in the streets and then afterwards you like, "Damn, why the [ __ ] I do that?" And some of your homies ain't got the conscience yet. They never had it. They like, "Man, [ __ ] it. We should have shot." And you like, "We didn't have to shoot him. We He gave us everything. Why the [ __ ] we shoot?" >> So, you had a logic part, but but some people connect later. But I'm sitting in the cell and I'm saying to myself like, "Damn." And and I never forgot I was in the cell. I'm like, how many [ __ ] in jail for being something that they not? So So that was the point where I reached and I said, "You know what, man? [ __ ] this [ __ ] man." And I said to myself, I don't care who don't like that I'm going to the school building. >> I who don't like that I'm talking to the dude that's locked up for what for for dude might be locked up for killing his wife, but he he a lawyer, intellectual property attorney came in. His wife was cheating. I that ain't none of my business. What is intellectual property? What is that? Oh, that's that's trademarks that I'm talking to the different people in the yard now. The people that got some of that people that had lives before this that might not be career criminals cuz everybody in the jail ain't a career criminal. So, you start connecting with them. You start going to the school building and you start seeing how people in the school building helping you more. The law library helping you more. Cuz I'm like, man, listen, it got to be more to life than sitting in this [ __ ] cell, man. >> Yeah. And and but but the but the whole thing is like in the streets nobody nobody nobody is more ego incarcerate more people than anybody in the streets cuz everybody is walking around it's an ego battle. >> Y >> and and it's like oh you disrespected me. What is disrespect for real? We had disrespect is nothing but a disagreement man. >> Like let's be real. you disrespecting me because you said something. Because most people, if you think about it, most people we got we got a we got a white flag problem. When I say white flag, people are afraid to wave the right white flag and be like, "You got it. You're right. >> That can save your life." >> Like I remember me and Gil laughing about something. We was we was matter of fact, we was in San Francisco and we and I was doing a video in the car and he was like he was just joking like, "Man, you a pussy." I said, "Let me tell you something, man. There's a lot of people in the graveyard in the penitentiary wish they was a [ __ ] like me because a [ __ ] going to tell you like you know what I ain't got to be tough. You got it. No, I don't want no problem. I'mma walk away. >> Yeah. >> You see what I'm saying? It's that I got to prove to you that I'm not a [ __ ] >> Y So you accept me. >> So So you accept me, but the judge ain't going to accept this [ __ ] I'mma do. >> Yeah. >> So now I got to go to the penitentiary and even do life or spend money. So we got to get raw. And in this time now, I think more than ever, we as though the street [ __ ] like it's 20 [ __ ] 26, man. We still talking about street [ __ ] We still talking about we a part of some [ __ ] that ain't never did nothing to society that [ __ ] the whole community up and whatever you live at, however you live at. But just think about that. We got grown ass men that's in their [ __ ] 40s talking about they're a real [ __ ] >> Like, think about that. your daughter. The craziest thing that I look at is where I see dudes and I say, "You put all this [ __ ] before your daughter and your son." >> Like people say, "Oh, I'm a real one." You you was so real that you said, "Fuck your kids." >> Because now that you leave your daughter out there, you you leave your daughter out there for somebody else to give a game and the other man or whoever might give a game or might come into her life going to give a game that's beneficial to him them and not beneficial to your daughter. You're not going to be able to put no money together to see her off or do a trunk party so she go to college. You ain't going to be there for the prom. You ain't going to be there when she first start talking to boys. You ain't going to be there when she just going through a horrible problem and she just want to be see her dad >> because your dedication to this dumb [ __ ] And we got to start getting more aggressive with this. We can't keep babying. We can't keep babying [ __ ] that decide to say I'mma [ __ ] the neighborhood up no more. >> We got to become more aggressive and say, "Yo, you doing dumb shit." We get the [ __ ] out of our neighborhood. It's going to have to come to that. It's going to have to get extreme and it might even get I don't know it might get physical at some point but it's like the neighborhood is going to start need to be protected by regular people that's just tired of the dumb [ __ ] and tired of being high held hostage around this dumb [ __ ] in the community and men got to start stepping up. So now either you going to do it now or if you decide that you want to play games and you don't want to take advantage of the [ __ ] resources that's in places like this and there's resources in a bunch of prisons around the country. If you decide that you still want to be a 50 year old running from the [ __ ] cops, >> yeah, >> if that's still a part of your whole agenda, if that's still a part of your future, don't be bitching when they send you back in here and you dying here >> and now you're the victim. >> You in here mad and you angry. No, [ __ ] You had chances. Cuz we got to start and we got to start talking to them each other like that. Like what you doing? Like cuz I remember when I was in the penitentiary, >> them dudes was mad, man. When you came the [ __ ] back. >> Yeah. They would they would even talk to you. >> You wasn't getting no packages. You wasn't get [ __ ] You just went out there for 3 weeks and you coming back in here and telling me how [ __ ] man it's [ __ ] up. The PO was riding me. The PO, man. The PO said the POS don't be worrying about you. They got they got too much of a case load to worry about you. You wanted to put that [ __ ] in your vein, man. >> You wanted to get high. Like, so it got to come a point in time where people got to start being tough on this [ __ ] And we got to and we got to start being tough on crime from within. Yeah, >> we can't wait for everybody else to come because once we wake up, Sadi, once we wake up, once we wake up, we got to be willing to say, we got to be leaders enough to say, "No, we ain't with that dumb shit." And if you want that dumb [ __ ] keep that [ __ ] over there, man. Like I told Jelly last night, I said, "Listen, man. I'm from Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, right? One of the largest cities in America. When I go there, I don't go nowhere that's going to de I don't go nowhere where there's a bunch of people that don't love the self. I don't give a fuck." >> Now, if you a kid, I'm going try to help you. But even with the kids that's at risk youth, I'm looking at them, but I got to look at the atrisisk youth. But I also got to look at the kids that's not at risk youth. Because we put so much time into people that's [ __ ] up that we forget the people. We never reward the people that's doing the right thing no more. >> I had a kid walk up to me in the corner store one time and say, "Well, y'all going to do something for us?" I said, I said, "What you mean we doing something around the corner for?" He said, "No, the the people that's we I go I get straight A's. I'm doing good." It's like I got to do some dumb [ __ ] in order to get your attention. in order to get your support. But why you think if you look at the communities that where we from, everybody that go to college and see the world on a greater scale, like Gil always talk about that when you go to college, if you come from a predominantly black neighborhood, right? And you go to college and it's all mixed race, you start to tap in with different people, see different cultures, and you can break through the lies that everybody told you from your community about different people, about different environments. Once you could break down that [ __ ] and you start tapping into people, you realize like, ho, this a real world. Why you think most people that come to that go to college from the inner cities of America, they never come the [ __ ] back home? >> They was invisible. You ain't never see them cuz they was doing right. >> So, so the mom is not worried about the kid that's [ __ ] they not worrying about the kid that's doing right. Because if you say if you say to a mom that live that live in Well, say she live in a um say she live in um say say she live in San Diego, right? She live in San Diego, right? her her one of her ch children might be going to um UCLA. No, no, not even San Diego State. Say they going to UCLA and then another one of her kids is is going to San Quinton, right? >> The mom going to go see the kid that's in San Quinton more than they going to go see the kid that's in you and they going to be like cuz you know what they tell you know what they tell the kids? Oh, they all right. They going to be all right cuz they know how to No. [ __ ] you mean they going to be all right. They never get the support that the [ __ ] up got. >> Yeah. >> The [ __ ] get the most support in the inner cities of America. >> And everybody is looking. We got all these services, all these nonprofits, all these programs, but where's the programs for the kids that's doing right? >> It's crazy you say that, right? Cuz my daughter uh mentioned that to me because uh her mom, she buy her stuff. She she'll get her stuff. And one thing my daughter says like that it's not all about the money. Like, so I do want nice things, don't get me wrong, but I just want mom to hear me out. I just want her to hear be there for me. >> Like she's But this is her last she's a sing she's a singer this year. So she I just want her to be there. Just just hear me out and listen to me. like it's not about like that. I'm not She like that I'm not a bad kid. I might get in trouble sometimes, but I'm not a bad kid. I just want people to hear me out and be there for me. And I know that because I wanted that same thing, too. So, her just saying that at a young age and she's a good kid. The good kids, like you said, the good kids need that, too. At the end of the day, you got to just try to say as a whole, the streets is like 10 million and and seven like probably like seven [ __ ] beat it because we were so much watching these shows and we noticed the shows lie because all these shows told us that and we got to we got to admit a lot of us wanted to become criminals because America respect the successful criminal. America. If you if you go to if you go to the district attorney office of any county in America, if you go to the federal courts of any county in anywhere in America, right? You say you just grab a bunch of judges, lawyers, US uh uh attorneys and say, "What's your favorite movie?" 99% of them going to say Godfather, Scarface or some crazy [ __ ] Good Fellas a Heat. >> Cuz you know what? They love Tony Soprano cuz he didn't get caught. >> You only a [ __ ] when you if you don't get caught. You like you the [ __ ] you if you a mobster you the [ __ ] So we looked at that and we because they glorified that so much that we wanted to be that but we was never that sophisticated as the tell our vision the the movies that's movies that we watched. We only saw movies everybody else died and went to prison. >> Mhm. >> So we believed it so much. So now we think but it's to the point now where as though this [ __ ] got to stop. >> If it don't stop it's going to come a point in time where [ __ ] just going to have to separate man and start getting these [ __ ] out of here. Man, >> can I ask you guys a followup question about that? I still wanted to hear about what Gilly what made you like you know what I mean change your life right from whatever you however you were living >> oh when I got locked up he told on me and when I went to prison >> no but I mean in addition to that right hearing your story right you sound passionate about Billy roll coming up in here I want I'd like to hear about um how you guys see what you would like to see or like what you would like to do specifically you know what I mean to be able like help us change our society I mean this is a smaller scale right here you're talking about something big you You know what I mean? We can't get everybody on the streets to be like wise up and say, "Damn, man. I'm doing some dumbass shit." Right. But we can do we can focus on a couple things. And it's unfortunate. We're the bad kids that are getting a lot of attention. However, we're looking at it. These are like like the word had me mentioned, 95% of the population is going home. >> So, if we don't help these people, like I I used to judge people when I was here. I was an active gang member. I was on the streets. So, I judged and tiered people based on their crime. and I'm in here for attempted murder. >> So I would say if you did this, you did that. I don't even mention if I go, you're a piece of [ __ ] You're not any better than this or whatever, right? But I I came to realize that I did that so that I could make myself feel better cuz I felt so small. >> Um that being said though over time I I learned to recognize I go I would like to be um very redeemable. In order for me to do that, that means everybody has to be everybody can change their life. So, with that being said, right, what makes you want to um like uh bring attention or come to San Quint, right, and do what you guys are doing? Um what kind of things would you like to see to help change this community or expand it? >> I mean, for me, you know, just growing up in the inner city of of Philadelphia, you know, we lost so many homies to prison and to the graveyard. You know what I'm saying? And a lot of it is on some some fake street [ __ ] >> You feel what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I'd rather be a lion for a day than a sheep 400 years and all this dumb [ __ ] I'd rather be judged by 12 and came and carried by, you know, all the dumb [ __ ] we say growing up in the ghetto. When in actuality, none of that [ __ ] not real. >> Yeah. >> It's all some [ __ ] that was planted in us as we growing up and we grow up to believe some dumb [ __ ] Like I want to speak on something he said. Men got to get back to holding men accountable. >> Mhm. >> I got a homie that's in jail. He's been locked up for 24 years. And it's funny cuz last week he just let me set him up. We on the phone actually on a FaceTime call. He ain't supposed to have it, but he >> X his name out when I just said one of my No. So he says, "Uh, I say, uh, yeah, man. Somebody from up the prison called me, man. He told me a [ __ ] came in there, took all your snacks, man. Ray stabbed you to his arm, got tired, man." And he go, "Right, he fall right forward." [ __ ] not me. You [ __ ] don't play with me like that. I said, "See, that's why I said, see, that's why the parole board ain't going to let you out. You still on that dumb [ __ ] >> You done been locked up for 24 years. Your mentality should be, I'm a [ __ ] I don't want no trouble with no [ __ ] body. When I go home, I'm not even jaywalking. If a [ __ ] remotely got a gun, anything that got to do with I'm going the other way. See, you still got that tough gene in you. You still You ain't You ain't been there long enough. You ain't learned your lesson yet because God is watching you. >> And it took for me to be like, "Motherfuck, you know ain't nobody called me from up to jail. You didn't even say, man, get the [ __ ] out of here. Nobody call you. went right into some tough shot with some [ __ ] was you going to go back [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You still ain't learned. 24 years in prison and you still tough. See he came home. He was the ultimate [ __ ] The jail had jail head tied him up and beat his ass. >> Yeah. Like you got to understand he came home from prison and he wouldn't even hang. Like say if he came past the studio, I was in the studio and there's like three, four people in there. That's too many guys for me. Like, oh no, there's too many [ __ ] in here. I'm out cuz >> I'm out. Anything could go down. There's three guys in here. I'm like, so for him, he he mastered the art of I'mma come home and either I'm with my cousin, I'm with a woman, or I'm by my [ __ ] self. >> Because I don't hang with men. I just been with 5,000 of them [ __ ] for 20 years. The last thing I want to be around is a man [ __ ] happen. >> So you ain't never got I ain't never getting in the car with nobody. >> Nope. >> Nope. Take a ride with you. I never do that. I don't know what you got in the car. Even if you told me you ain't got nothing in the car, I don't believe you. So he was really on his [ __ ] like, nah, I'm not I'm never going the [ __ ] back. >> Yeah. >> Like you ain't never got the sitting around [ __ ] Yeah, cuz Ronnie shot. I'm out cuz [ __ ] shot somebody. I'm out, man. I don't even want >> to hear about this [ __ ] >> Like, he had really made his mind up. >> Yeah. >> Like, >> I got to say something real quick. Like, hearing you guys say it, never heard it quite that way, but I really appreciate it, right? Because from like my side, I think about like when I was a gang investigator and people would tap out. You kind of dug into this a little bit. People would tap out. They go, "Hey, Chance, I'm going to call it." >> And their whole culture tells them that makes them >> weak. Yeah. Weak. We'll go with weak, right? I got to watch my go with it. But uh some of those words. Um but to my point, I said, "No, it's not. It's the exact opposite. You're choosing your family. You did one of the most manly things I've ever seen." So I think the conversation that you two are having right now from your lived experience, I think is super powerful cuz I'm like, "Yeah, that's what we need. That's what we need more of and that's what we we pride on here." When people get off the bus here, you know, they're not they're showing them programs. They're not showing them knives and all that stuff. And that's where we need to get. So that conversation is super powerful. I want to touch two more things that you said. Um putting the resource in people that are doing bad. This is a community too. Jelly talked about it earlier, right? It's so important to make this a real life community and make it normalized so it's comparable to the streets so we can see how people act. Now here's what I'll tell people. I walk almost every day. If I'm here, I'm out walking. And the reason I do that is to talk with staff in the population, but I want to see how people are applying what they've learned. So you can have all the certificates in the world. You can say you got anger management, you can go to grip, you can do all this stuff, but then I watch if you're applying it, right? You went to grip and um you went to these violent, you know, management classes, but then I see you playing sports and you're out there yelling at people or you're acting a fool and I'm like, "Oh, you ain't ready yet." You have all the paperwork that says you're ready, but in our community, you're not acting like you are ready. Similar to your setup phone call where it's like, "Oh, hell no. Yeah, send him over here. Let's see what happens." So, um I think we're on to something. I think this is a great example of showing how people that were maybe formerly incarcerated or doing time with people and someone that did the time, how we're relatable and we actually see the same thing and are having good conversations. So, I like that a lot. >> You know, I want to follow up and ask you guys about that. So, um like all three of you guys, right, that like for example, I've been in here once again 24 years, right? I got a seven life sentence with a bunch of gun enhancements. Um at one time I I was never going home. I had no there was no youth law, no nothing, right? And when it did kick in, I had already started rehabilitation for myself. I just I needed to be happier. That being said, during that process, I got all these opportunities that a couple I messed up on my own >> to to get out early, right? But a few times I did, you know, I didn't feel like I had to come in where stuff happened, right? Long story short, there have been times I thought, "Fuck it. This is the time to revert. Go, [ __ ] it. I just get a phone. I can just do this. I don't give a [ __ ] I'm never going to get rewarded anyway." What has Has has that ever happened to you guys when you guys got out? Right. And what kept you on the road? >> Well, no. I was done. I I spent now, you got to understand, I spent majority of my I spent more time incarcerated than I did in the free world. I did five years in juvenile, 20 years in the penitentiary. I'm 47. You do the math. So, it was like I became so institutionalized to where as though I'm sitting here talking. I did all this great [ __ ] I still be making hookups. They be like, "Wow, let it go. I still go to the grocery store, get my case of soups, >> get my get my macros, get my uh my my smoke my smoked clams, you know what I'm saying? My my reffried beans. I go I still be hooking my [ __ ] up in the crib. Got the stinger and everything. I don't know why. Like I'm sitting here the whole time and I'm like, damn, I got to get him to show me the commissary. I want to go to the commissary. >> But because my whole thing was like I remember where I come from and I remember and I remember where I ain't going back to. >> Yeah. >> And it's something about that. It's something about me uh locking the door. I mean, you know, I mean, in the be in my own house, I'd lock the door, the bedroom door, make sure it's locked, make sure I don't know why I'm thinking, you know what I mean? But it's like I knew that I wasn't going back because I was like, I'm just done. >> You'd be done, bro. And I And it was nothing out here, like he said, it was nothing out here that would make me even a hard time. And no such thing as a hard time in the free world. >> What's a hard time? I ain't got to stand for count and all that [ __ ] Even though you still be your body still have you getting up. I'm getting up four in the morning thinking I'm ready to go to work at the kitchen and [ __ ] I you know but it's it is what it is. But it's like no straight up straight up. It be like it be like you get tired man. You you listen you going it's two ways. You get tired or you going to wake up, >> right? And that but it happens sometime that alarm clock come on or sometime the alarm clock come on and they just finish you here. You got to die in the infirmary. >> Yeah. where you check out, you know what's the name? You know, you know when the guard coming in early in the morning and they banging on a [ __ ] door, wake up and a [ __ ] ain't wake up for that count. It's over. >> I I've seen that thousands of times. The mother or [ __ ] hung up >> because they already realized, damn, man. I I caught my last case at at 48, man. They just gave me a new 25, man. >> Got caught with that gun. >> I'm done. >> So that's the reality of it. So even you going So my whole thing is once you walk out into that free world, I don't care if you broke. I don't give a [ __ ] if you It's so many It's so many ways out there. They creating new shortcuts every day. And I'm saying it not in a bad way, but shortcuts of life. Like they they they they creating new things every day for like I looked at this thing last night. I was because I'm interested always in in apps and all this. It was an app called Pad Split where though you can just rent rooms. I said, "Damn, that got that joint pad." And it was just like they give you all these options to get a vehicle to get in position to get but the same way you was looking for that dumb [ __ ] and the same ingenuity that you had when it came to the streets and the dumb [ __ ] applied it in the right life and you going to take off. >> Yeah. >> I I'll say this briefly. Identity man. >> Like above everything even in them moments like who are you? >> Yeah. >> Right. Like first I'll I'll speak for me to give you concepts of this. This take two minutes. Above everything I'm a man of God. >> Period. Above everything, I'm a man of God. So even then, if I'm thinking about reverting back to something, is that something a man of God would do? This is my first identity. >> Second of all, I'm a father. Okay. Is that something does that betterment for the daughter? Like, and then when I started when I because I remember it used to be well, first of all, I am insert organization I'm a part of here. And second of all, I'm a hustler. >> Third of all, I'm a I remember when these were my identities. And that's how I actually looked at myself. Like, first thing, what are you? We were talking about this last night. when you go by and the first thing you see in the jail is somebody throws something up. >> It's their immediate way of letting you know who they think they are. >> You know what I'm saying? You feel me? So it's like then I change that structure. So like who are you? I'm a man of God. >> Second of all, I'm a father. >> When I was a husband, I'm a husband. You know what I mean? Like actually husband before daughter, frankly, because that's the system that God told me to honor. You feel me? I'm a man of God, then I'm a husband, then I'm a father. >> You know what I mean? Not a husband anymore. You know what I'm saying? So now it's like, y'all seen the news, I'm sure, but it's like now I'm a man of God. I'm a father. You know what I'm saying? And then as a trickle down. So anytime I start to revert back to anything, it starts, it's real easy for me. Is that something a man of God would do? >> No, it normally stops there. I don't even have to get to the father part no more or the husband part. I can normally just stop like, "Yeah, man of God wouldn't do that at all." You know what I'm saying? Like so I just me and Gilly talked about this at Nauseium, but like to me it's all about identity. >> And I I I I encourage y'all to go home and write that tonight in your cell. Get out your sheet of paper and go, "What are my true identities?" Mhm. >> You're a man of Allah, right? Like that's number one. You know what I'm saying? Like above everything in your life. Like like everything for you is inshallah. It's all in God's will. Like it starts there. Is this God's will? >> Man, you'd be surprised how you don't even have to get to be in the father part of the next thing. You know what I'm saying? Like just that alone. You know what I mean? And if and if you don't have any rel relationship with religion at all, then it's like, you know what I am? I'm a good person. I'm a good son. My mother needs me. You know what I'm saying? Does this does this help the goal of me being there for my mother? Yes or no? And then right then you're like, "No, I can't go get the phone." >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? That fast you'll find yourself back to square one. Just go straight back to your core identity. >> Yeah, >> man. I appreciate you, brothers. Man, >> no problem. For the sake of time, we do have to cut it short now, man. Thank you, Gilly. Appreciate y'all. >> No problem. Appreciate you, man. It was a blessing. >> Thank you guys. Thank you guys. >> I've been wanting to do here hustle. Thank y'all. [ __ ] >> I'm happy the 95% of y'all going home, man. >> Lessons. What's up, baby? >> How you guys? >> What are y'all doing? >> I got you. You getting something done in here or what? >> Trying to get it right for you. >> Trying to get it right. Slow process. >> Hey guys, >> he's working with little R&B piece that we did. Hey, man. >> You got the youngster here. Let's go outside. >> What's up, Nef? How you much love? >> Yes, sir. What's up, man? >> What's up, Nef? What's up, brother? How you doing, brother? >> What's up, motion? Trying to get it right. >> Yeah, I got >> They got that good studio. >> Bars for bars. We're pretty much in there, you know, trying to So, Bars, as you guys know, that's the program for for the wild peace that we have here. It gives them an outlet to tell their their stories, upgrades about what you've been going through. No cursing, no derogatory language, and no glorifying criminal lifestyle, but at the same time, >> you're going to talk about your lifestyle and the struggles and the stories that you've been going through. A lot of us have been hurt, but we giving them an outlet for them to be able to talk about what they've been going through, their pain, and their struggles. >> Yes. What's the benefits of this program, young man? >> I feel like it definitely give me an outlet to talk about what I'm going through in life and like how I feel. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I could say everything that I need to say, you know, that I couldn't say to somebody that I want to talk to. You know, they can hear it through my music. So, >> you know, I've been through a lot in life. You know, uh I'm in the streets heavy outside, so I'm trying to change my ways and, you know, become a better person before I get out of here. So, >> so listen to a little bit of what we had. So, this is what we just did yesterday. It's not done. He only did one verse, but this is something that he went through in the past. >> Who made the beat? >> So, did the beat. Okay. Engineering and mixing. >> I'm addicted to your love, your affection. I never let them hurt. >> I'll be your protection. Yeah, baby. Girl, you my dog. You my best friend. You my best friend, baby girl. You my best friend. You're my best friend. I want to tell you how I feel deep inside. But baby girl, I don't know what to say. I'm going through some things. I want to be with you every night. I'm waiting to see what this say. Girl, I miss you every day. Can't sleep cuz you steady stuck on my mind. Trying to get through this time. It's feeling like all day. I'm hoping you don't decline. I just want to speak to you one more time. Baby, don't go away. Can somebody tell me what's going on? Stuck in this [ __ ] I've been feeling like I could call it home. Break my heart every time I hear you pick up the phone, but I don't let it show cuz I'm not your protection. Yeah, baby girl, you my dog. You my best friend. You my best friend, baby girl. You my dog my best friend. My best friend when he writes it out. >> We got album called Make It Out. This is the final version. >> Where JB? JB like this. >> JB like this. How long JB's been here? An hour. got a chance. >> And we just trying to make it out this [ __ ] Yeah, we just trying to make it out. And we just trying to make it out this [ __ ] Yo, we just trying to make it out. And we just trying to make it out this [ __ ] Yo, we just trying to make it out. We just trying to make it out this year. We just trying to make it up. Feel directions on which way to go. Can you tell me when calling on her came from a broken home? As I got older, I was robbing like nobody really understand me, but they never slid the time that I ain't never came through. I never thought this is who I would be. Every time I leave a house, got to check if I got my gun moving around the field cuz I ain't trying to die and I refuse to let them snatch me up. Got my name in case told me my time before they let me out. was facing life years. Can't let them blame me. So no direction that races and they wonder why I'm tweaking out. And we just trying to make it out this [ __ ] Yo, we just trying to make it out. We just trying to make it out this [ __ ] Yo, we just trying to make it out. We just trying to make it out this [ __ ] Yo, we just trying to make it out. We just trying to make it out this night with no rain. Looking for smoke. I was trying to let my thing blow. Knew I was wrong but they know how to let that pain go. Lost the words I love and every day I feel that pain flowing hurt but I can't show it. I'mma keep my head high to the way they try to count back for the take off. I close my eyes my knees got to make it. Can't lose my life till my face counts. They don't know what they don't know and I'm always a step to my feet knowing I'm make it out that jungle. I just keep these streets. No, I got to leave them alone. Know how that beef go. No, you got to keep going. I know the suckers like they want to take me out. I'm going to run these up and I'm going to make it out. We just trying to make it out this year. Yeah, we just trying to make it out. And we just trying to make it out this year. Yo, we just trying to make it out. We just trying to make it out this year. Yo, we just trying to make it out. We just trying to make it out this year. Yo, we just trying to make it out. Make it out. Yo, that shit's crazy. >> Yo, play play the chorus, man. This shit's crazy. Play the chorus. Yeah, play the chorus. Play the chorus, man. >> So, listen. Since the chorus is so like down the middle, you >> play it. I'm talking. I'm going to talk to him over. You got that harmony. Anyway, >> so since it's the same course over and over again, but it goes twice. trying to make it out like something that we just sh and you can sound just something like because it'll give the back half of that chorus a lift >> and if you could just lift the back cuz this is a [ __ ] hit, right? So, if you can take the back half of the chorus and lift it up a little bit because we're just trying to make it out. If you can just anything on that back end, even make it out, even if it's in the lower, even you sampled in there or he sung it in, it'll stack it. It'll give it a little more texture and it'll also it'll build with it. You know what I mean? >> Cuz that shit's hard. >> You hear that? >> It's called lifting the What you're doing is what they call hammering the hook home. >> It's like anytime you have the same chorus all the way through, they call that hammering the hook home. But if you hammer it through for eight bars like that, you want to lift it on the back end >> cuz it just stays at the same >> Exactly. It stays right there. >> Do the first half and then then the second half coming and you put the melody behind it. It's a climax, too. >> Exactly. Goes it goes there and then it falls back off a cliff when you come into the verse. You know what I'm saying? So you're building a mountain to drop them back off into the verse. You know what I'm saying? >> We need that professional kink here. >> Yeah, for sure. That's what that's why we're here. You know what I'm saying? No, it's incredible though. It's like unbelievable. And especially with your your melodies anyways. Like just find a melody on the back half of that. Give us some give us some color. >> Yeah. >> And I wouldn't do it on the front half cuz then you blow it, right? Cuz you know what I mean? But because you're hammering the hook home, which is genius anyway. That's like That's like >> starting Exactly. For sure. Exactly. >> Just It's also earwormy is what they call it. It's like ear candy. It just builds >> it brings more intrigue. It's an anticipation cuz I don't [ __ ] it ends up being somebody's favorite part of the song. You know what I mean? That [ __ ] is like similar like something >> stay in the style of writing you are cuz that's what we need more of. That's what what you said resonated me because that's why I started writing music was like it was like a way to I didn't know how to say I wasn't always as articulate as I am now >> so I could write it. >> It was like a way even to this day it's like I was I was telling my manager I wrote I wrote a song that's like I could say something in a song that insinuates I'm thinking about killing myself >> and I play it for you and you just be like man I feel that. >> But if I walked in a room I was like hey y'all I need to tell y'all I'm really thinking about killing myself. Y'all call a [ __ ] I'd have a therapist here, you know what I mean? Like it would be a whole big production. It's like, but this gives me an outlet where I can express that dark thought >> without having an overreactionary around people. It's different how we process it in music. So it's like >> it's really cool that you're doing it for the right reasons, too. And I'll also tell you, I was telling them, man, just like, dude, you God put you in a situation none of us was in. >> Like you can be two, 300 songs to the good in your penmanship before you walk out of here. >> You know what I mean? Like you could be so far ahead, you will have already. You know, I told them last night, I think the thing that separated me from everybody else in my neighborhood that was making music was they recorded 50 songs and put out 40 of them. And I recorded 3,000 songs and put out 350 of them. >> You know what I'm saying? I just did more. >> I was just willing to write more bad songs. I was willing to lose longer than everybody else was. You know what I mean? I was willing to look like the dumbasses. Like, you heard my new song? You're like, "Man, we're so tired of hearing your new song." But but the blessing in this is >> you ain't got nothing else to do. >> You don't come home with a thousand songs. You don't want that [ __ ] >> Yeah. Kind of that easy. >> Yeah. I definitely feel that. I feel like man coming to this program keep me out a lot of trouble in here. You know what I'm saying? Like you know I go to work come here. If I don't come here I'm to myself, you know, to write a song to come here. All right. For sure. >> It's like uh >> he should have no beats >> in his hard drive and no, he should have no beats in none. >> But you didn't pay for I'm on Well, everything new. I'm on there for sure. >> Yeah, for sure. Should be. >> Yeah. I'm an artist, man. I try to do that. I try. I don't want to just be a rapper. I want to be an artist. So >> identity. >> Yeah. >> Right. I love that cuz there was a time you'd have been I'm a convict or I'm I'm number such and such such and such because that's what these walls will do to you. But no, you're an artist. >> You know what I mean? You're an artist. You're an artist with a bad wrist apparently. >> He broke his his wrist in prison, too. But he was 300 days straight. >> [ __ ] went out of socket on >> Thank you for listening to San Quinton Bars Bars music project. >> That's right. >> Hear from us soon. >> You got social media? >> No, not yet. He had social media over there. >> Like, yo, what's your Instagram? He's like, [ __ ] I just got allowed to make a video. >> These hospital lights. >> He said he ain't in here for the here for the right. much love, bro. Keep doing your thing, man. >> Thank you, guys. >> Keep doing your thing. Stay on top of that. >> Appreciate you, man. >> You got two years. >> Yeah. >> Trying to practice, man. >> You got it now. Home, baby. >> Around that's around the corner now. >> Keep writing, man. Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Listen, man. Got two years, man. Take advantage of that song structure. It's like right right. You can't you can't write enough. Right. You going to write your way out of here. You're going to write your way out of here. >> Are y'all ready for this? >> Let's get it. >> Yes, sir. >> I love it. I love it. I love it. >> I love it. I get it. I get it. Awesome. filmmaker San Quinn is here. All right, y'all. Without further ado, all the powerhouses are in here. We got some amazing people with us today that are continuing to collaborate with the incarcerated population and making sure that the system impacted voices are being heard in the outside world. Right. So, without further ado, I'm going to kick it to Jelly and you can introduce the video that you collaborated with the people. >> Yo, we're going to play the video first. >> Yes, sir. >> Fire. What's up, y'all? Uh, >> what's up? It feels good to be back at San Quinn. Thank y'all for having me again. >> I've been coming here so much the last couple of years. I know most of you [ __ ] by name at this point. So, it feels good. Um, this is Anthony Mandler, y'all. He directed this video. He's directed pretty much every good video. He is a filmmaker that came back to directing music videos. He came out of retirement of doing music videos just to do this video itself. It meant a lot to him. I'd love to talk about it later, but y'all don't want to hear me talk about the video. You want to see the video. So, let's play the video, man. >> Man, it's just it's just amazing to see Jelly and Anthony, the work that you guys do and and just how much it impacts us that you guys continue to come in here, continue to support the path towards redemption. And so, my question is for you, Jelly. What keeps you? What is the why? Like we understand the story, the struggle, the challenges that you've endured, but what is the why to continue to come back here to San Quinton and do this work? >> Wallow said this earlier and I think it's it's a responsibility, right? It's like um one so many people it's so easy to be forgotten behind these walls that I mean not even just by like the world but like family members. Like I remember being locked up and having cousins and uncles. My own mama didn't come see me. You know what I mean? Like I never felt seen in here. Nobody ever came to see me. I didn't get visits. It was a dark spot for me. So it's like anytime you can come back and cast a little bit of light in there. I think that's an important thing to do. And it's also Wallow's word he's been using the last two days is to show people the possibilities after prison of like what can actually happen. And I have such a heart for this this kind of a thing to believe that that I truly believe Warden said 95% of the people in this prison are going home at some point. It's like there's another chance at life out there for y'all waiting right now. And you don't know what that life is. And that life could be something you never dreamed. I didn't dream when I left prison that I would end up winning Grammies and end up being worth a hundred million dollars. That wasn't even that was so far-fetched from the dream. I just wanted to be a better father. I just wanted to go home and be a present dad. I just wanted to be a better human. And I think that's the message I want to bring back. And um also, not to get too deep in it, but I'm pretty outspoken about my faith, and it's a requirement of my faith. You know, I feel like people try to say uh they try to put a lot of words in Jesus's mouth, but Jesus didn't say a lot of words. But one of the few things he was very particular about was making sure that you went and visit those incarcerated, that you fed the homeless, that you showed up for the widow, and that you let the stranger in. And that's just a requirement of my faith. So, uh, even if I wouldn't have been incarcerated, my faith alone tells me that this is where I was supposed to be. >> So, we just left um, Air Hustle, right? You guys got a renown podcast in you guys out there, you know, sharing messages, very powerful messages, right? Can you share with the incarcerated some of the things that you highlighted during the podcast how we have to like truly step out of that that negative identity and start going to a p a path of empowerment? So if you could share some things about that. >> I mean for me for me you know I just believe life is about energy and the positive energy you put out there is the positive energy you going to receive back. You know what I My cousin is a direct representation of the possibilities after prison. You know what I mean? We was out here robbing [ __ ] at an early age. Just my little cousin. He went to jail for 17. >> Did 20 years, you know what I mean? It just so happened I didn't get caught. I was always the athlete in the family though. He was kind of slow and [ __ ] He always got caught. But um but after going to jail at 17 and coming home at 37, you know, he's the cultural adviser at YouTube, a New York Time bestseller. >> Woo. >> You know what I mean? >> You look at when you look at all the lists of the top podcast in the world, when you get to the black people, we usually number one. >> And he did 7,300 days in prison. You know what I mean? So, we come back to the prisons and all over the all over the country just just to shine some light and get some hope and let people know that it ain't over. >> Even when it seemed the darkest moments, it's not over. You can still touch down and be great and make something happen and not and not live with the stipulations that they put on you, the identity that they put on you. You can you can you can create a whole different identity. He went to jail. He was a robber, a thief, a no good piece of [ __ ] Nobody in the family trusted him. They wouldn't let him borrow no money. He was >> He lying. >> All right. I wouldn't let him. >> But he came home >> and to to many people's surprises, he wasn't the person that went in. He was nowhere near the person that went in. And a lot of people in in our family thought he was actually crazy. Thought he lost his mind in prison because he didn't come home to the dumb [ __ ] that they was used to. He came home and said, "I'mma be somebody totally different. I'mma really be myself because I was doing a bunch of time for trying to be somebody that I really wasn't." So when we go around and we come to prisons and we talk to the to the inmates, we just want them to know that, man, it ain't over, man. You know what I'm saying? It's not over. So that's our focus. >> Okay. Let let's hear from here. You hear your cousin say you're the slowest cousin. So I I want you answer that. >> No, what happened is he he snitched on me. So this get >> they got him in that room. They got they got him in that magic. They took him to the magic room and he started doing magic. You know what I mean? >> Now you know Philly and Philly, >> you know Philly, we the homie of the cheese. They went and got him a nice fat cheese steak. >> And he went crazy. You know what I mean? You want to go to jail. >> They let him see an eagle. We going to let you watch the Eagles game. We give you the cheese steak. He went crazy on me. You know what I mean? So, but no. So, so it's like this. It go like this. Uh, number one, you was talking about the people that goes against what what the warden is trying to do what y'all doing here saying Quinton. One thing I know in the history of life, ain't nobody, no human being has ever been able to stop growth. So, don't even worry about them. >> Let them do whatever they going to do because you're looking at the facilities here. You're looking at a you're looking at infrastructure, but it's not about that infrastructure. It's about the infrastructure that was created in the mind. This prison is introducing people to new thoughts and new ways of looking at theirel, new ways of looking at the possibilities of what they could become because all this stuff is about like I it's about it's a mind game before it's anything. See, only thing that that infrastructures do is encouraging. infrastructures is encouraging, but it's about how you see yourself and how people is telling you what you can be that it's about a culture of communication that's going on amongst each other. See, cuz y'all got to pay attention to something that's very important. And this was my mindset when I was in See, y'all ain't in jail. Y'all in Yale. Y'all ain't in prison. Y'all in Princeton, y'all ain't in the state pen. Y'all in Penn State. Y'all in the university right now. Right now, y'all got more time than anybody on the planet to educate yourself. Somebody say, "Damn, while you come out, you 47." I said, "Yeah, you don't look that old." I said, "Because prison is the only place on the planet when when you tired, you go sleep. >> You can't do that in the real world because you got all these problems going. You got bills, you got life, you got responsibil, you you can read 10,000 books in here. You got a bunch of You got a bunch I look at it like this. The world is a library and everybody a book. You know, I mean, elders in here that give you some gain. >> There's a lot of elders in here that's professors. I used to tell people, "No, I know a lot of professors." I was like, "No, dudes that been in jail 30, 40 years, they got a lot of they got a lot of wisdom if you're willing to listen." So, so when you sit when you sit in here, don't worry about the people that's trying to stop you from growing because they don't believe in the system that they believe in the system when they throw the book at you, but they don't believe in the system to say you could change and become somebody better and add value to society. Don't worry about them. They're running late. They're in a they're in a time that don't exist no more. Don't try to Don't even focus on them. and they can't stop nothing and they never stop nothing. Y'all got to continue to look yourself in the mirror every day and say, "I'm I'm him. I'm great." And you got to convince yourself now that when you in the sale, I remember I used to be in the sale and he say when I came home, I always talk to myself cuz you know how you be in there having conversations like >> you be driving in the car. Yeah. Conversation like I'm not the next seat. >> No, you had them conversations because you preparing. You preparing for your moments. >> You got to think about it. You preparing for your moments. You see what I'm saying? Because because this thing is about presentation. Everything is about because you like cuz everybody waiting for that moment to go see the board. Everybody planning on being perfect when just be yourself. When you walk in there, this is my truth. I remember I went in, you know, I went in the board, I just gave them me like, but ain't nothing wrong with recreating yourself. And when you in prison, you can keep recreating yourself to figure out who you want to be. And don't worry that you're 40, you 50, you 60, you ain't figured out yet. You know how many people in real life ain't figured out yet? But we think they got it figured out cuz they got a job and they ain't never go to jail. And they Man, listen. It's more people in the free world incarcerated than it is incarcerated cuz they minds is locked up and they afraid to fly. >> Let's go. >> It's more wings in prison. It's more wings in prison than it is in the free world. People big gave up on their dream. You got dudes in here talking about they going to go home and do some stuff and everybody got them crazy. Nobody is more crazy than the person in prison cuz you got to get on the phone and you got to tell people that you going to do some stuff and you believe and they look on the other side like how you going to be better than me and I never went to jail. And that's what you going up against. >> You got a bunch of people that you're going to offend. You're going to offend a lot of family members. You're going to offend people in your community that's going to say, "Who do he think he is?" Talking about he going to be an architect. >> He going to shoot him. He going to shoot a film. >> Who is Well, all he did was shoot [ __ ] real. We talking he going to shoot on tail. Talk wrong. We just raw. We just done cut. Sorry. >> But no, it's real. But no, but no, it's real. >> But no, that's how people that's how people think about you, right? And and and you got to stop getting out of trying to be perfect. Don't abandon yourself to be something that you think society say you got to be in order to blend in. No, no, no, no. Winners win, baby. And and winning ain't got nothing to do with blending in or speaking a certain language or or or cold switching. No man, go step in step wherever you going to step because think about it, the hardest part is being here. That's the hardest part of life. No, no part that you ever going to go to in life outside of here is the hardest part. But you got to think about this. You risk your life. You risk your life for [ __ ] that was nothing. So you think No, no, no, no. Don't get don't get afraid when it's time for the to leave. When it's time for you to leave and you go out there, you're doing your thing. Don't be afraid to just be yourself. It's 8.3 billion people on the planet. You ain't for everybody and everybody ain't for you. So don't worry about that. >> But it's but it's hundreds of thousands of people out there that's sitting there. Everybody in here. What's your name, brother? >> Shannon. >> What's your name, brother? >> I'm Dre. >> What's your name, brother? >> CeCe. It's people, places, and things standing there with a sign with your name on it waiting for your arrival. I'm talking about your dreams. I'm talking about new communities. I'm talking about new energies. I'm talking about new opportunities. But you got to get that in your mind right here, right now. I was crazier than a [ __ ] when I was in jail. The stuff that I told people I was going to do, everybody that run into him, they was like, >> "Anything he said he was going to do, he did it. >> He crazy." >> We thought that [ __ ] was crazy, man. [ __ ] crazy. He's crazy. Like that [ __ ] was crazy. Shut up. He's crazy. This motherfucker's crazy. But but but you know, but I'm tell you but I'm going tell you some [ __ ] You know why we win? Because we don't give a [ __ ] who don't like us. We don't we not trying to fit in nobody. Either you going to be a part of our world or you're not. Like no. Straight up. Everybody will tell you in society that you got to be this perfect man. Ain't nobody [ __ ] I ain't I ain't meet the perfect person in my life yet. Everybody got some [ __ ] to stink. >> Mhm. >> I ain't smell no uh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no good smelling [ __ ] yet. You walk past the bathroom it stink. I'm just being real. But no you but right now y'all got to understand this man. Y'all in a great facility and y'all around some good mindsets. Lean on everybody in here man. Talk to people in here man. Get ready for the real world. The real world. You talk to people you don't know. I don't give a [ __ ] that nobody ain't from your neighborhood. And I'm saying this to the men. And I'm gonna say this with my chest and I gotta be real. To the men that's in here. All that [ __ ] that you thought you represented that tore the [ __ ] community down, let that [ __ ] go, man. Cuz you the [ __ ] problem. >> If you going to continue to be the problem, don't even don't even entertain change cuz it's not going to happen because you believe in [ __ ] the community up. So if you believe in [ __ ] the community up, you're part of the problem. And you do not want to be accountable. We're talking about where's the men at that want to be. Stand the [ __ ] up. If you want to be accountable, man, stand up. Stand up right now. Stand up. That's what it's about. That's That's what it's about. You know what I'm saying? All right. All right. Y'all can sit down now. Y'all stand. Y'all can sit down, man. >> Oh, yeah. You know, stand up. That's my new song. I'mma remix this. Shoot the video. That's what we do. Stand up. We got to stay. Keep standing up. >> I mean, he shoot my video. But But what I'm saying is, this what I'm saying. >> No price or nothing. >> This what I'm saying. We chose the streets. We chose homeboys that did us dirty. We chose homeboys that [ __ ] our girl when we came to P. We chose homeboys that didn't stop by to see our moms or none of that [ __ ] When you going to choose your kids? >> When you going to choose yourself? >> When you going to choose love? When you going to choose life? When you going to choose to live? You gave your you gave your I'm telling you put your life on the line for everybody and most of the [ __ ] you put your life on the line didn't give a [ __ ] about you. >> You put your life on the line for a street corner, man. A street corner. You know how many [ __ ] corners it is in the world and you only seen 10 of them [ __ ] and you was willing you was willing to die for one >> [ __ ] Yeah, >> [ __ ] Man, we got to we got to start getting smart, man. All these all these beautiful And then you got all these beautiful [ __ ] streets in in California. You ain't even touched none of them, but you was ready to die for one. >> Yep. >> Keep talking, bro. >> Think about that [ __ ] man. And then a [ __ ] don't care about Listen, don't nobody [ __ ] you over more than the homie, man. >> Let's go. Let's go. >> Cuz they going to be the one they going to be the one getting on that [ __ ] stand, man. Getting busy on you. >> That's what he did to me. U >> I'm I'm just saying I'm I'm just saying I'm being I'm being real y'all. But but when you look at yourself, you got to say this. Say this. Think about the homies that ODed. Think about the homies that's dead. >> Think about the homies that's that lost it. You here for a reason. See, waking up is the win, baby. Don't never Listen, let me tell you something real important. And I'm saying this [ __ ] for my chest. Don't you ever count yourself out when God counting you in every time he wake you up. >> You hear me? >> Damn, Dre got the chills. >> You hear me? >> Think about that [ __ ] >> We be care you'll be counting yourself out. You be beating yourself up all going crazy and and you better stop disrespecting God. You woke up this morning. You know how many people ain't wake up on this planet this morning? >> No, they woke up. They woke up like this. >> Think about that. I'm just being real. He's crazy. I told you. Yo, uh, excuse me. Did y'all do medline yet? Got to take get him his meds. He's a little th crazy. But, but, but what I'm saying is you got to believe in yourself. And I come back cuz cuz listen, you got to speak life into yourself. >> Mhm. >> Speak life, man. I got to speak life in the yard. But we got to speak life into each other because ain't nobody on this plan that got their [ __ ] right. Stop putting people on a pedestal cuz they got money or they got a certain car, they live at a certain place. Everybody going through some [ __ ] >> Everybody going through some [ __ ] >> Think about that, man. >> But every day you wake up, man, you in here. Educate yourself as much as possible. Put your plan down. I want you to write that list. I don't care how crazy that [ __ ] list is in your journal. I'm talking about that list of where you want, man. I wrote down the different peanut butters and jellies that I wanted when I got out. You dig what I'm saying? I don't care what it is. The B. Write down everything you want. And you got to be crazy about the list that you write down for yourself because the list is the is the few that's going to power your dreams and gonna empower your your drive and it's going to empower how you go at this [ __ ] man. But don't be count yourself out. You got a shot. Think about the homeboy that died, man. >> And you got to be delusional. >> He came out of jail after doing 7,300. I seen this list. >> Yeah, I had a crazy >> that [ __ ] had a Lamborghini and a Ferrari on the [ __ ] >> man. We appreciate all these. the [ __ ] Lamborghini. >> Yo, he crazy. Listen, come here. Come here. You right. Come here. Come here, please. Didn't I take take that [ __ ] to RSU, man? Take him to the RSU. I'm tired of it, man. He stay on here, man. We leaving. We leaving. We leaving HERE WITH Y'ALL. HE NEED A program with man. Much love. I'm going be right over there in the studio. >> Love. I would be right with the podcast. >> We keeping this [ __ ] man. >> Keeping it real. >> I got you, man. >> Yeah. >> Accountability. Um, creating spaces for the world to see like what redemption is. Um, and just believing in yourself. like you could be doing anything else but you guys give other incarcerated people the opportunity to empower themselves through your films through working with Jelly um and so thank you guys so much for continue to pave the way for the incarcerated population system impacted people and as we close out Jelly Roll any last words >> yeah just just I don't know if I'm going to hold a candle to the the sermon wall just gave But uh >> oh, you know, they called him Luther King in jail. >> Crazy. >> But I I want to first of all say that I think it was really brave of you to name your victim. I think that was really bold of you. I think that was accountability on the ultimate level. I think it's so easy just to say, "I shot someone or I committed a crime." would like for you to put a face and bring a human to that. And I know that it probably means more to his family than you'll ever know that you actually take the time to name him by his name. And uh I recognize that. And and and I pray that when your day comes in front of the parole board, they recognize that as well. You know, um it's rare that you get to see redemption happening in real time, but I see it in the tears in your eyes right this moment. And you've probably talked about that moment from that many decades ago, a thousand times. And I could tell that it still weighs on your soul. And I truly pray in my heart that the parole board sees it the same way I do whenever it's your chance to tell that story again. Um, I want to talk a few things about this video. One, the relationship I've had with San Quinton the last couple of years has gave me I never understood why I was coming back to prisons or what I was pointing to or what my northstar was besides just trying to motivate. But now it's clear to me that my vision when I go to prisons is deeper than just motivating inmates. Now it's trying to get in front of legislation and trying to get in front of our governors across the United States of America and get a better understanding of where our tax dollars are actually going and why there are not more San Quintons across the United States of America right now. It's made me want to take my battle further. Um, it's made me realize that that the things can change, relationships. The warden here, I think, is a model for what we I wish that I could just clone him across the United States and put him everywhere. The reverence I see y'all have, the interactions y'all have with staff. I wish that I wish that I could campaign right now that every staff member in the United States of America got raises for what they're doing here and the overtime they're putting in and what they're doing. I wish that more people could see the redemptive stories like his and the way that he talks about his victims. And uh this song and this video for me and Anthony, like Anthony said, was really personal. I mean, he he's a he's a true blue filmmaker, y'all. This is he's been long past he shot a bunch of Rihanna and Jay-Z videos back in the day and then went on to make actual feature films that were huge box office hits. He went back to making a music video again because he believed in the message of San Quinton and the message of second chances. But the most important message of this song is surrendering, right? That's what it really came down to. The first verse was whenever the day that I surrendered to music. The second verse was the day that the police gave me no choice but to surrender to them. And the third one was the day that I surrendered my life to God. >> Amen. >> But I also think that's important for y'all to see. Listen to that narrative because all three forms of those surreners came in different ways. Some I was forced into, some I was led into, some I was pulled into. But either way, what don't get you in the wash will get you in the rinse. And I will let y'all know that we are going to put this song up to try to be nominated for a Grammy this year for the video itself. >> And I hope and I hope Warren Chance doesn't mind this when I say it, but if this song is nominated, I will come back here. I will set a stage up on that yard if he's okay with it. And if we're nominated, I will do a full concert for y'all. And I will bring guests from all over California and do it. >> And if we [ __ ] around and win that [ __ ] Grammy, I will handel it to this facility and it will live here as long as the Academy. And I do want to take a second, I know we're short on timeish, but I do want to take a second to thank Gileian Wallow. They have literally the biggest podcast in the community, in the culture. They have one of the top five podcasts in the world. That's white, black, brown included. I mean, literally one of the biggest podcast, one of the biggest platforms. And they do everything they can to shine light on good [ __ ] happening across and trying to destigmatize their community, their culture, and hip hop in general. I don't think y'all get enough praise for the work y'all do because y'all are funny. Y'all are entertaining. But more importantly, y'all are impactful. And I think that's the real gift. Not only did we giggle here today, we left encouraged and charged. I'm not even in here and I left with a battery packing me of how much better I can do and how much further I can chase my dream. And thank you for that. Wallow. Anthony, you coming here today is just another testament to who you are as a human. You could have been somewhere charging somebody millions of dollars for your time. instead you hopped on a plane to come up here and just tell and then spend a few hours with some guys that are doing life with just the possib barely the possibility of parole to show them how to operate a camera better. This has just been such a testament of who you are as a human. And I think this is all a I guess it goes back to surrender in this world y'all is that they surrendered an entire afternoon to come here. He surrendered an entire day away from his family and his business to be here with y'all because we believe that y'all are surrendering to the greater good, to redemption, to rehabilitation, and to going home better than you came in this place. And just know that if nobody else sees you, and if there's some of y'all in here that feel unseen cuz you haven't got a letter in a while or you haven't got the visit, I've been there. And I want you to know that we see you. see on that Philly station or what this year you going to see. You going to see tell them put your [ __ ] on security, man. So we can hear you guys. >> All right. On the on the prison, right? They got they got a game. >> Yeah. I got you. >> I got you. Brother, >> hey, keep being crazy. >> He got that [ __ ] though. >> He got old. That's got 494. and do [ __ ] to me cuz I'm sure >> you never never count yourself out, baby. >> Never never count yourself out. >> Excuse me. Thank you