JELLY ROLL PT.1 - MILLION DOLLAZ WORTH OF GAME EPISODE 395

You're now tuned into Million Dollars Worth of Gain. Yes. Listen, man. We tapped in. We with the one and only Jelly Road. But let me go back. This is crazy. >> One day I get a call. I'm in Philly. I'm over in Jersey outside of Philly. I'm driving my truck and I'm like, "Dude, keep calling me, man. I just I don't know who it was. I don't answer it." Later on at night, I get a text. Oh, man. This Jelly Bro, man, I was in Philly. I was trying to get on, man. I do the show with y'all. I called G. I said, "You ain't going to believe this [ __ ] man." Jelly Road was cool. He said, "Why the [ __ ] you ain't answer this?" I said, "Who answering numbers?" They don't know. He didn't You didn't text me. He didn't say nothing. So this year, and now we here. >> That's how old school I am. I'm just calling like we got phones hung on the wall there. I'm like, like I couldn't text an option. >> Like you would you think, "Yo, this jelly, but it was like we here now, man. There's a lot of great things coming, man." Um, >> yo, we talked about this before. I still want to get y'all out to the country. I know you like them machines and I see y'all drive them in the streets in Philly all the time, but I want to put you on the farm with it. Yeah, we got I got 800 acres. We got like 20 m of trails cut all the way through all of it over creeks and stuff. It's crazy. >> Do you know how [ __ ] crazy this >> I'm from the country though? 800 acres is a small piece of land compared to some of my friends. >> What? That's a lot. I wish you had your friends. That's a small piece of land. It's a lot. >> You got to come to Tennessee, man. We'll tear that thing up. I seen them when they bought you the razor with the uh with all the all the Philadelphia Eagle stuff on it. I think I text Waller right then. It was like I might have text you. I was like, "Man, pull up. I got somewhere to flip that motherfucker." >> It's on the flip on your trail. You know what's so crazy, Jelly? Me and you got something in common, right? >> We all do. >> We all got >> He jelly roll. You know, in jail they call him jelly ho out of it. He's a hater. That's another story. He He just a hater. Jelly roll. You know how that be. But no, it's like it's like when you think about it, it's like damn, we both went to prison. >> Yes, sir. >> Figured it out. Got it together. came back out and said, "I'm going to be better than what I was." >> Yes. >> And we went at it hard. We went at it hard. A lot of people go there and when they come home, some people had a conversation with yourself and alarm clock come on when you sitting in that cell, when you going to the chow hall, when you just in, you know, it cut the alarm clock. Come on. A lot of people don't. What made it different for you when you walked out? >> I think it was for me. I had a daughter when I was in there. So when I was out, I got a young lady pregnant and I didn't come home until that little girl was almost two. Like right at her second birthday, I came home. >> So I remember like the day they told me she was born, Wallow, I was worth, and you'll get this and people that have been incarcerated will, but a lot of people don't get this. I was worth like 60 soups, >> like 30 bag of chips, >> all your house, >> like 25 honey buns, you know, I had 25 bread items, >> and I was proud of that in there. Yeah. Yeah, but other than that, I had the clothes I was locked up in and the in the pants. By then, my my my girl done broke bad on me. Threw all my clothes away. Did hated me. I lost the car. Car got repoed, lost the crib, lost every You know how it is, you lose everything. >> Mhm. >> And I knocked and I was like, man, I was proud of $120 worth of street food. And now I'm responsible for jail commissary. >> Yeah, for sure. For commissary. And there, you know, it's a couple hundred, but like realistically, that's $70 worth of street food. And I was proud of this. >> And I was like, man, I'm not fit to be a father. Like it hit me. I was like, "Oh, no. This is like, it's one thing to be just a garbage human for yourself, but it's another to then be responsible for another human that's looking at you for guidance." And I knew her mother struggled with drugs, so I knew that I was going to have an uphill battle that she couldn't have two parents who didn't have it together. >> So, right then, I was like, "Man, I got to figure this out." I tell this story, and a lot of people don't get it. I don't think I've ever told this story on a podcast. I only tell the story in jail because in only inmates get this story. >> Yeah. >> But I was in a violent offender gang unit. So they had a thing where you could, you know, they had the signup sheets on the wall, right? Where you could like sign up for the educational walk out of the unit, it be right there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like the educational program or like different programs, right? And they were all empty cuz you might as well have just took your bus tub to the garden and said, "I'm afraid." >> That was checking in. It wasn't trying to do better. You were judged. And even then, I think about that now like why was I so concerned with 219 strangers opinion of me? >> Yeah. >> To try to better myself. I mean, here 24 years old, >> had never made it past the eighth grade. Never made it to the nth grade at all. Never completed the eighth grade. They read it in an eighth grade level. >> Mhm. >> And I was like I was sitting in that sale thinking [ __ ] I'm signing up. I don't know what it was but it triggered me to go like I'm going to go get my GED and I was like a man they going to think I'm scared or something though you know and I was running the poker game. So as soon as they open up with they told me account I had my daughter you know two to four when they lock us down >> four o'clock r pop all the doors >> and I walked straight to the signup sheet. >> I walked big chested though. I was like I'm not going to try to hide and sneak dude. I'm just going big d all ego. I look back now, this was all ego. >> Yeah. >> I sign this sheet. I turn around, I'm like, "Yo, Pony, come grab my [ __ ] You can have all this [ __ ] [ __ ] all this shit." I'm trying to make a big scene about me leaving, too. Like, y'all ain't going to act like I'm hoing out. You know what I mean? Like, what a even looking back at myself, like, I was embarrassing myself twice. >> I go, I give all my stuff away. I go down to the educational unit, and I don't know what it was, but that was the beginning of my change because that was the first time I was brave enough to not care what people thought about me. >> I was like, I don't want to come home and have a kid. And I I can't even tell this kid I ever graduated high school. You know what I mean? It was just that simple. I was like bas I I didn't think Listen, >> where we are in life now wasn't even on the cards. You know what I'm saying? Like this wasn't even in the I was People were like, "Did you think you'd be here?" It's like, "Fuck no. What are you talking about?" Absolutely not. >> I I just thought I at least I could go get like a job that required a GED. >> I went down the hallway. I got my GED. >> They tried to kick me back to the long haul. I was a violent offender. I wasn't supposed to be on the short hall at all. I had a I had a STG on me. You know what that is? Mhm. >> So, I had a STG on me. I wasn't supposed to be on the short hall. I had all this stuff going against me. Said I wasn't supposed to be on the short hall. >> They're trying to kick me out of the GED room cuz I got my GED. There's a Christian program next door. And this is where my faith comes in. >> I go to the guy at the Christmas store. Now, I'm just straight up like, "Yo, man, you send me back down there. I'm running the poker table. I'm getting more time at it. I'm doing this." Because I wasn't a model. >> You was jailing. >> I was jelling. Yeah. I was jelling in there. You know what I mean? Like, I was all I was falling in. [ __ ] you all the time. You know what I mean? I was with all of the shenanigans. I was like, "I don't want to do this, man. Can I join y'all's program?" He's like, "Man, you only got nine months left. You're supposed to have a year. You'd have to go talk to the sheriff." Now, I'm You gonna love this story because we were just talking about the jail you go back to and talk to all the time. >> I go to the sheriff. He only knows me from disciplinary reports most of my life. So, I'm walking into the sheriff. He said, "The only reason I agreed to meet with you was to finally look you and I and understand how the only white kid in that unit was causing the most trouble." >> Yeah. >> What is going on with you? I said, "Well, listen. That's what I was doing. This is what I'm trying to do, but I need you to clear this thing where I can stay on the short hall." He made an exemption for me. His name is Sheriff Darren Hall. He has a legendary thing where he just became the sheriff for the ninth time in a row. He's been the longest sheriff we've had in Davidson County history. We're friends to this day. >> Yeah. >> When they tore down when they tore down that jail I was in, he gave me a brick for my cell and my cell door >> from that unit. That's how close we are now. >> So, he gave me the exemption. I got to go into this program from nine months. Came home, went straight to a little community college and started selling mixtapz out of the trunk. It's crazy that you say that because um I think a lot of times people don't understand when you look at the uh the jail system, federal, state, whatever, county, you always run into certain people that they want to see you win. >> And you you would think like you'll be like, man, what you'll be like, man, nobody getting mug about me here. Then you will see that me, I had a counselor called Clark, right? This is my counselor. And uh Clark wound up, you know, she she was a person you there's 500 inmates in the block, 500 residents, whatever jail you in. And no matter her door was always open, you know, some they just run off the block. They don't want to hear nothing. You got to give them request slips. They they don't want to hear [ __ ] She was that she wind up becoming a warden. And to this day, I go back to the prison. There's a different She went to a different prison that's not too far from where I was at. And I go back there and I go there and I cook. I go there and I speak to the inmates. But I but to be able to just take the food there and cook for them. >> Yes. >> That's like, you know, it's something these and these guys I was in prison with, >> right? >> So to be able to go back, spend time and just cook. And then for for years, this nut thought I couldn't really cook. He thought I wasn't really a chef. He walk up. I don't even tell him that I'm going. Right. >> Right. >> But Freeway tell, "Come on, Gil, come over. Freeway come. I'm in the kitchen inside of the prison going in. He walk in. What the? And they like, "No, no, he could cook." >> No, I was [ __ ] up when the when the staff was like, "Man, I'm waiting on them crab cakes." I'm like, >> "They waiting on my food." >> I'm like, "Y'all eat outside food. What the [ __ ] Y'all mean y'all waiting on his crab cakes?" Like, "What the fuck?" They was like, "Man, y >> he couldn't believe it. They be slamming barbecue wingings. I'm hooking a whole seafood salad." But whatever the case may be, >> it's just that Clark >> care about the possibilities after prison. >> Yes. >> And a lot of people don't. So, you know, you you when you run into them certain people even like war and chance, you know what I mean? Understanding like, yo, this is important. Having these programs is important to be able to believe that so many people come, you know, coming home. And I don't think people understand how many people, what's the percentage of people in prison coming home? He said it's like 97% is I think what he told me that 90% of the entire incarcerated population in America is coming home. >> So, so when you think about that, you would want to invest in the betterment of individuals that's inside of there so when they come home because they got to come back to society. >> Why can't we give them the best chance they can have going forward? >> Yeah. And what was when you first came home, what was the hurdles that you had? >> Oh, every one of them, dude. >> One, get well, getting a job, getting into college, getting a car. People don't understand when you're coming home out as fresh out of jail. Something as simple as getting my license was a chore. >> I had to go find a birth certificate. You got to go find your social security card because I wasn't living, right? I didn't know where none of this [ __ ] was. My mom was battled with addiction her whole life. My father was an alcoholic. It wasn't like I just got to call a study family member like, "Hey, give me the lock box. I need all of my stuff." You know what I'm saying? I'm like completely regrouping. >> Like I just remember how hard it took me weeks just to go get an identification. And by then you got the PO breathing on you. Why you don't got a job? I don't got an ID. What's it taking you so long to get an ID for? Well, I had to go get a birth certificate and they got to send it to you in the mail to get a certified copy. That takes six weeks. So, now I'm having to go back in front of a judge to get an exemption on having a job or something within the first four weeks of being out of jail just because I couldn't even get a birth certificate back in time. That was like I remember the base route >> even down I was thinking about this. My buddy came out of federal prison >> and I remember how much of a struggle it was for me financially to go buy him sweats. Like when you're leaving with your clothes, just like the idea of like, oh, I've got to come up with $300 >> to like just come up with enough clothes to look manageable, right? >> You know what I'm saying? Like that's I think little stuff like that triggers people right back to the streets. >> The humility, that shame of coming home. I got a little girl >> and I can't even I can't even afford to buy myself a sweatuit or a button-up shirt to go to this job interview. >> But what you're saying is so important. And I want to give a shout out to Reform Alliance who fight for people that's on probation and parole cuz a lot of people be unlawfully being sent back to prison and they be doing years based because I couldn't get an ID. I had to travel far for work and you know I'm I'm I'm outside of my curfew getting back from work and it's like I don't think people understand the hardship that you go through on probation or parole cuz all it take is that one supervisor to be like oh you ain't got no you supposed to been had your ID. How you ain't got no ID. Why you ain't got what you doing? why you ain't got a job? Like it's it's regular people out here that's having problems find a job. But I just think people don't understand that and and the sad thing about that there's no there's no universal unified front of preparing people to go home. In Pennsylvania, the difference is when I was in prison, I had my social security card cuz like it depends on what unit on they make you order your social security card and your birth certificate. So that being your package in the front of the jail and then being as though the Department of Correction in Pennsylvania is sisters, brother and sister to the Department of Transportation, you get your nine driver's license or your or your or they help you get your license renewed. So when you walking out of prison, they give you that your packet. So I walked out with my nine driver's license, my birth certificate, and my social security card. But that but think about it. >> Today's episode comes from Square, the system powering like half the places I go. If you ever tapped to pay and thought, "Whoa, that was fast." 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There was a a issue that had nothing to do with them with their the bus was late. End up late for curfew. End up having to go to jail. Of course, they got it turned over when they could prove the bus route was off that day. But then they can't get then they lost their job. >> They're coming home. They had to spend three weeks in jail fighting a violation of parole and had to wait another six weeks to get back in front of the parole board to explain themselves to go, "Hey, this is proven that the bus route was off that day. It's documented that the bus broke down. We were all late. We had to wait for the 11:00 bus cuz the 9:00 bus [ __ ] on us." But but you know, then you're coming back home and I think it's like when you're carrying, >> let's get deep for a minute. when you're carrying that much shame anyways. Yeah. >> Like you already normally are used to having stuff. Even in jail, you done found your way in your lane. You was in the kitchen. You were doing something. You were at least somebody in this environment. >> And then you're back out here square one >> getting on a bus. No job. You know, they say new playgrounds, new playmates. I don't know about you, but I did not get that luxury. Nobody moved me to a new neighborhood to meet new friends. I went right back to the [ __ ] box I was from. I didn't know where else to go. I wasn't accepted anywhere else. M. >> So now I'm not only having to go through this, I'm having to pull up and watch the old homie still making money, still smoking, still doing good. I'll never forget I asked my homie, I pulled up, man, let me hold $100. And they were so used to me having money. He thought I was joking. >> He was like, ah, whatever, Jelly. And pulled off, man. I I cried that night. >> He was like, damn, I got >> I'm like, man, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo, I got a kid. I really need I was I was not joking. And he didn't think he was fronting on me. Like in his mind, it was like, come on, man. You know, you f to bounce right back. And I'm like, but I'm really >> like trying to get a job. Like I really need that hunter. Like desperately like you know what I'm saying? Like I desperately need that hunter. And you look like >> that shame alone will push you back into a dark spot. >> I mean time ready to bust a move. >> Huh? >> I mean times you was ready to bust a move and go >> Oh man. Every every day I had to fight that demon. Every day. I tell you what saved my grace was a homie I had met through music before I went in had bought a camcorder. He was working at Best Buy, so he bought a a camcorder, right? And he was like, "Yo, there's this new thing called YouTube." And I was like, "What is it?" He's like, "You got to because this back when you had to go on the l the desktop computer, type in YouTube.com." >> And he was like, "Uh, you post stuff on here and everybody can see it." I was like, "Everybody in the city can see it." He was like, "No, no, like everybody can see it." I was like, you know, in my mind, I'm like, "If we can get just get this to the city, we might be able to do a show or something." You know what I'm saying? >> Get some money. >> And he was like, "No, this is a real thing." And I did this thing called the 10-minute freestyle. And it, you know, why we called it the 10-minute freestyle? This is OG [ __ ] YouTube wouldn't let you upload a video more than 10 minutes back then. >> That's the reason, you know what I mean? That's the reason it was a 10-minute freestyle. >> And back then it did like 80,000 views in a week, which is what they considered viral back then. Viral enough, it went to worldstar hiphop. >> Once it went to worldstar hiphop.com, >> there it went. You know what I mean? But like had I not had that little breakthrough the first six months I was out of jail, I inevitably would have went back to the [ __ ] >> Let me ask you this, right? because you know you said basically your daughter made you kind of come about that identity crisis you was facing right but it's a lot of kids out here who who want to be themselves but they don't know how to >> you know what I'm saying because they learn about how the the people in the neighborhood going to be looking at them how this person going to judge him how to >> what's some advice you can give to the youngans who they want to be themselves. They want to come out there. They want to buck up and say, "Fuck it." And walk to that wall and say, "You know what? I'm tired of the dumb [ __ ] I'm signing up to go be right." >> Right. >> What's some advice you can give to them? >> I think it's having patience and finding your new identity. Cuz what you said right there, Gilly, was like probably the deepest thing you said right there was identity. >> How many kids do we watch become shooters because that's their identity in their crew. >> Oh, he a shooter. And they carry that with a badge of honor when the homie go, "Yeah, man. The homie right there. He's the shooter." Like, "Yeah, I'm a shooter." >> It's like he never had nothing in his whole life. He'd been overlooked his whole life. He never been accepted for who he was one time in his life. And then he got with a group of guys that gave him a title and a duty and a and a job. >> That was purpose. >> And I learned I learned it's like we all deeply want to have fulfillment. >> You know what I mean? Like uh what is what what does Tony Robbins say all the time? Uh, sex success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure. >> Like, you know what I mean? Like purpose. Like, we all want purpose and we're so desperate for it that it might just be being the enforcer of your gang or being the shooter of your gang or being the money guy this gang or just being with this gang at all. Like, this gang accepts me. If nothing else, I am a member of, >> right? >> You know what I mean? That's why when you see them, they be quick to throw something up. First thing you do when you go to jail right now, walk by, people throw stuff up. They're not letting you know what they're with. They're letting you know who they are, >> what they identify with. You know what I mean? And it's like, and the problem is becoming your actual self takes a little longer. It's easy to pull right up to something and get handed the gun and be like, "You're the shooter now. It's instant identity. I'm the shooter." >> Mhm. >> Until you [ __ ] around. We I hear y'all talk about this tenium on y'all's podcast. What I love is y'all preach the real [ __ ] is that and then until he goes and shoots somebody got 25 years. >> Nobody sends him no commentary >> like this. It's over. It's that fast. >> And I was in a studio one time, right? I think you you probably remember this, right? And uh these kids come in, you know what I mean? They was rappers and they had another kid with them and they they bragging on them. They like, "Yeah, give it him right there." >> Yeah. >> Demon. He he and I and I just said, "Uh, young boy, right?" I said, "Come here, man." I said, "Don't never let these [ __ ] right here introduce you as a shooter." I said all of they saying is your life mean [ __ ] less than theirs. >> Yes. >> That's all they saying. So many time they go around and they say, "Yeah, he he the one. He is shoot." All they saying is this [ __ ] is stupid and willing to throw his [ __ ] life away at the drop of a dime. You don't want to be introduced as that. >> And he looked at them and said, "I told y'all to stop saying that shit." Real talk. >> Sure. But like when when a person introduce you as a shooter, you got to understand most of the world not in the streets. >> No, >> the streets is a small percentage of the world. Most of the world get up every day, they go to work, work a 9 to5. They try to have good credit. They try to get a house. They try to obtain things. So when you say he's a shooter to regular people, that [ __ ] sounds diabolical. was like, "Wait, wait, he shoot people." >> Mhm. >> Like, so youngans, be aware of what you saying and how you because your first impression could be your last impression. >> You know what I'm saying? So, I just wanted to speak on that. >> That's real cuz words have meaning, too. >> A lot of meaning. >> A lot of lot of meaning. So, it's like the more he the more you speak that into him, the more that he feels that's his identity. Now, he's more likely to make a horrible decision in a in a in an unnecessary moment just to prove that y'all are right. >> Oh, no. Y'all were right. Y'all gave me that responsibility. Now I got to prove this. And he's the first one that overreacts in a moment >> and and fireballs everybody. That's the other side of it, too. It don't do nothing but [ __ ] the money up, too. Even one, get out of the streets. Let's start there. But if you're going to stay in the streets, don't [ __ ] the money up. >> And that gun's going to be the first thing that's going to [ __ ] the money up. You know what I mean? It's like, cuz I >> I say it all the time. The feds don't care how much money you're making until you got a body involved. >> I've You've seen it a thousand times. They don't Exactly. As soon as somebody You could be out there making tons of money, >> but as soon as somebody got shot or there was a shooting somewhere, D cuz that's something they don't want to see on the news. >> In the history of life, like I told G, I've been saying this for years, some people get it, some people don't. In the history of life, when it comes to the crime and the street game, it always be a homie that's going to tell. >> Always. We're seeing that with Durk's trial right now. >> There's always going to be somebody. >> Today, Dirk's trial has been >> really eye opening, right? >> You know what I'm saying? Really eye jam testified today. Hey, I can't believe I'm talking about this this I'm not speaking on that situation or anything. I'm just stating some facts, right? >> We sat we sitting back and we witnessing somebody on the stand and they saying, "No, I still love you. That's that's still my man. I still love him." But [ __ ] take this take this 100 years, man. >> Yeah. That's crazy. >> Yeah. Can you pick Yeah, it was him. Yeah. But you know, I love him. I appreciate everything he did for me since I came home. Since I was in jail. When I was in jail the whole time. Yeah. And I still love him. >> But we always seen this story since the beginning. >> [ __ ] take this 100 years. >> But we always seen this story since the beginning. The crime though. Everybody. >> It never And you know what's funny? Every crew thinks they every crew thinks we're the one that don't have it. Yes. No. You're not going to be THE EXCEPTION. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN HISTORY. Everybody is real >> until it's time to be real. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Because we don't know if you real just because you said it because you never was in a real situation. You never had the people sitting across from you and say, "Uh, yeah." You know, uh, we know that was you that did that, right? >> Uh, you know that, uh, that hold to, uh, 30 to 60. That's that's the minimum. So, think about it. We'll be back. Just think about it. You know what I mean? Yeah. You want us to show you the footage of you running out the >> Just think about it, man. >> But this ain't got to be you cuz we know you not the boss. >> We know you ain't the one. We know you small fry's the one. That's what he did. That's why I got that 20 years. He actually said that. So it was all >> Yeah, because I got give him a pass. But no, the the whole thing that was I was late on. >> It was fast how you did that. >> Somebody always they always ask me this and they ask Gil this sometime and I'm going ask you this. They always say why Wildo never let go that he was in jail and my personal reason is always I got to show the people that could grant opportunities to possibilities after prison. >> Yes. >> So by you seeing me and by me knowing my story, you like what? I don't. So you might see that in somebody else and be like, "Let me give this guy a shot." Whether you're employer, business owner, whatever. You know what I mean? Because I just think people people I don't have to talk about it. You don't have to talk about it. But we do. You don't have to visit all the prisons. I don't have to visit all the prisons. But we do. And I and I think uh a lot of people just be like, "Damn, it's over. It's past." >> It's reality for sure. >> But why you you never let it go, >> man? I was, this is a crazy comparison, but my father died seven years ago, >> and I cried about him talking today on Jimmy >> Kimmel. >> You know what I'm saying? I cried talking about You're going to miss your son forever. >> You know what I'm saying? You're going to talk about him forever. You're going to miss him forever. That was that impactful of a moment in your life. >> Having to hear a grown man get in a cell next to me >> is something I'll never not get over. >> You know what I mean? like having to go through some of the traumas I went through in prison, having to wake up out of a dead sleep or in jail and wonder if somebody was coming into my cell to stab me or the cellmate >> and then having to make that decision in the middle of a sleep whether or not I should defend this cellmate or what did he do? I'm making all this and >> all this >> a pop door at 5:30 in the morning. You know what I mean? Like you go through enough of that kind of stuff and you're like, >> man, I just I I one I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Yeah. And two, anybody who's coming out of it, I wish I could do anything I could to encourage them to know there's an alternative route. >> Or anybody who hasn't been more importantly that I think is on their way that way. What can I do to be the to be the red sign, the stop sign right now, or at least the caution flag, at least the yellow flag that's like, "Yo, young man, man, this path is like all destruction." When they say it only ends in prison or the grave, >> that's real. >> That is a very sad reality of it. You know what I mean? And it's also getting you when you were saying that you said something that just almost made me cry when you said what people don't realize the rest of the world looks at the shooter like that's crazy. Like >> even deeper. Y'all are willing to die or willing to do all this time for a neighborhood that you could literally just move >> 25 minutes across town, find you a nice little lady, fall in love, and start a family and get you a job next door. And you'd have a whole new identity. You'd be the cook at Ruth Chris >> with a wife and kids. Like it's that I know it sounds absurd to say it's that easy, but it's that easy. Like you're living and dying for a neighborhood that you could move an hour outside of town and never see somebody from that neighborhood ever again. >> No. Ever again. >> You know what I'm saying? Ever again. >> And the crazy part about it is right is that most of the people where we from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and the inner cities of America, everything they do is like within a 10 block radius. Think about that. They buy these sneaks. They get the supermarket. They hang with their homies. They go everything is within the temp growing up, bro. We was different >> because >> I had family in South Philly. I had family in North Philly. I was going to the college, right? So, we was different. But most of the people that we grew up with, >> they hung right there in that small pocket. everything. They got their pizza off the AB. They got they Chinese food right here. They got the cheese steak right here. They got their sneaks right here. They >> to the point where a [ __ ] would drive to Atlantic City. This is like a 45minut ride. And you will call them and they'll be like, "Yo, I'm OT. I'll call you when I get back." [ __ ] you're not out of town. You're [ __ ] 45 minutes. What do you mean? But how many times you heard people say that growing up? >> I did a lot >> cuz if you live within a I tell you >> that's how small the mind frame was. >> Don't make fun of me for this because I'm I'm a Tennessee Titan fan. I don't want to hear that [ __ ] >> We've had a rough few seasons. We don't deserve to hear no flack from y'all. Let's remember I think y'all been good since Eddie Joel. >> Come on. >> He said a rough few. >> We're cooking something right now. We're cooking. But it's like I live in South Nashville. I'm from Antioch, Tennessee. It's about 25 minutes from downtown Nashville, probably 18 miles. And to this day, I have homies that I'll call and be like, "You want to go to the Titan game?" "No, we just going to watch it on TV." And I'm thinking, >> you know, it's actually happening >> 20 minutes down the street. I can I can send a car for you right now and I can meet you there. I got a suite. They like me. They let me park in the loading dock now. >> And they're like, "Man, man, I ain't got no reason to be downtown." Like, they still haven't left Antioch. They're still I know people that have never left Antioch unless it was on a prison bus. You know what I mean? It's like, man, there's just if you just knew that you could go to Franklin, Tennessee, and there's a mall where there's never been a shooting ever, and it's only 37 minutes from Antioch. You know, Antioch, California. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Right outside of the Bay. >> Right outside where we're going. 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It's like, you know, we were southern like 36 Mafia, Outcast, what was happening in Houston, 8balling, MJG, 36 Mafia. We was big in like the Southern Club. >> Oh, dude. Stop it. I had Project Pat juice Kimmel yesterday. It was incredible. >> Late night trip. >> Late night. Speaking of Project Pat, you know, he's going back to prisons all the time now. >> Oh, that's good. >> Yeah. Project Pat gave his like rededicated his life to Christ in 2020 and he said he opened his hand and said, "God, what do you want me to do?" And he said he'd never been back to a prison since he got home. And he came home in like what was it like >> early 2000s or something? And he was like God told him go back to the prison. He's been >> He said he went back to the prison. He going he like y'all got all the studio equipment. They was like Jelly Roll with the studio. You got a studio in each spot. >> Yeah. Yeah. We were building studios in the juveniles and stuff. >> Crazy. No, you know, Meek Mills Freeway, they build a studio in the prison too out there in Chester. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that's important because you know I was explaining it to them. It's kind of like what's happening at San Quinton. >> Yeah. >> I think it's an outlet. >> Like it's to I was like you got to understand this is therapy for these kids. Like whether the records go anywhere like you you first of all law numbers will work. Eventually one of these kids will have a hit and actually get a chance. I was like, "But above everything, you're letting these kids have a place that I don't for music." What? I don't know how what made you start rapping. But what made me start writing hip-hop? That's crazy. >> I I did. >> I was his manager, the producer. >> You was in the streets. >> Yeah, we both >> Was it an effort to keep him out of the He was in the streets, too. And you were like in the street. >> But the whole thing was I told him I had >> This is my little cousin. He three years younger. >> Listen, I had to let him know. I said, "Yo, I'm reading the rap pages, magazines, and all that." And I'm like, "Yo, this boy Master P, he doing this that third." He looking at me like, "No, that dude." I'm like, "This dude making money. This where the money at. You got to be in." And I'm breaking it down. I said, and I take him to the studio. I'm like, "Yo, we going to go to the studio, start doing this music shit." He didn't think cuz he still had basketball dreams >> right >> at that time. He was like 411. Shot. I'm like, "Cuz, man, this [ __ ] ain't going to work." I'm like, I'm basically like the basketball [ __ ] ain't going to work. He had a dribble, but I'm like, "Bro, you're 411." >> Hey, don't you believe that [ __ ] I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like you 411 right? So we go and I'm just like I always believed in music cuz I'm like music. >> He always wanted to be a rapper. I didn't want to be a rapper. I had no dreams of being introduced to his passion though >> or anything >> cuz sports wasn't it. It wasn't it. >> You wanted me to tell you the truth? This was the truth. I was in college. I had some some guys that was on the basketball team. One of them had equipment in this room. You know what I mean? And we just used to smoke weed and sometimes we just turn some beats on and just be saying anything. You feel me? And then one day we was like, "We going to write something and come back and record it." When we came back, I was the first one to rap. They never even end up laying their raps because they was in all the like, "Yo, you need to be a rapper." You I'm like, >> like you gota understand rapping wasn't the cool thing back then for like in Philly. It might have been like four or five rappers. like it wasn't like so I'm like nah I ain't no rapper then I came home from college he's out there ciphering with a bunch of guys bunch of people out there so at the while I'm like I got a rap hold on >> I immediately said okay I signed him up I said kid you're going to >> my one rap that I had that I didn't even take ser >> honestly >> was better than all of their raps out there >> not mine not mine it was better than [ __ ] it was That's why I scooped you up beside you that day. >> That's why he scooped me up and he was like, "I just want to do the hooks. You do all the rap." >> No, I didn't say that [ __ ] But I said I said I said at the time I'm like, "Oh, no. This [ __ ] different. You're talking from a different place." Like, "Come on, I got a studio. Let's go." That was my That was my whole thing. Like, this dude is hot cuz it's hot, right? So at the end of the day, I signed him to like a I was doing 360 deals before they came. Right. I was the manager. Right. Right. >> I was everything. I had him doing I love that he was early. He was early to the exploitation. You know what I'm saying? >> I had him on a promo tour. I had him doing bars and [ __ ] I had him doing It was crazy, right? >> His own cousin and put him in a bad way. He went to prison wall. Uh uh I was like 16, 17. >> No. I said, "No wonder you went to prison. You were taking your own cousin." Then my whole thing was like all that time. >> Hold on. You caught your case as a juvenile. Would you charge an adult? >> I got certified as adult. >> Me, too. Yeah. >> That was my story. Did you know that? >> No, I didn't know that. >> That's crazy. I was char That's why I'm so passionate about juveniles, too. And like >> you always go back to juvenile facility. >> Yeah. Man, that that is probably what breaks my heart the most is watching a kid throw his life away and not even realize he's throwing it away. >> Right. some and and it take and it take the thing about >> throw his life away. >> The thing about >> the thing about it is this the thing about it. The thing about it is you got kids out here that's kids. >> Yeah. >> And sometimes you be around friends or you know home whatever and all it take is one thing, one car ride. You get into one car or one little mission and now you you 15 and you don't even know that you ready to go do 20 years because they said no that crime you did you ap and beg you got to have the lawyer to beg the judge mercy to hope he make you a a juvenile again but when you get locked up in the district now they they pee they telling you right then oh no you're a adult you got a del case how 15 and they don't even know and it was one mistake it's like >> we live in a world now where >> I was in the same place my boss balls hadn't dropped yet. >> Think about >> that's the way I described my balls. I didn't have my adult voice. >> That's great. >> When they charged me as an adult, I couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes. I hadn't been through complete puberty yet. I couldn't grow them. >> Did you try to get descerted? Did they try to descertify you? >> No. So, what they do in Tennessee at the time, and they still do, is they would just they would put you in a system where you would wait to see if you were ultimately you had a hearing and it took a while and you'd sit there and they have a hearing and they would decide whether or not they were charging you as an adult or not. So, you were a juvenile, but the case by case basis, but pretty much if it was in a violent offense that involved a shooting, you almost always got charged adult. I was the second white kid in the state of Tennessee to get charged an adult. >> What What was your slogan? >> I got locked up for >> You said you ain't even let your balls drop. >> My balls hadn't even dropped yet. You know, you know, you know how when you're a kid, your balls, you know, you know your balls go from they drop one day and you get going. They just >> Yeah. And then they go back up. The older you get, they go back. It's funny. They reverse again. Logan, too. I want the jail virgin. Get the [ __ ] out of here. He's a [ __ ] nut. He's a nut, man. Scott's a nut. Came out one. He lost his virginity. >> My balls hadn't even dropped yet. I was still Hey, I still talk like this, you know. I couldn't My balls had dropped. I didn't have balls on. I didn't have my balls. >> That [ __ ] that they dropped suits you got up there. You You start talking with a little deeper tone, right? >> Yeah. A me trying to You remember when they at on your 18th birthday, did they transfer you that night? >> No. This how it be. inside of the prison that you you in. They had like a juvenile block. So, all you do is just just move over to the other block. >> Yeah. Do they do it to you at midnight? >> No, they don't do it like that. >> They did me at midnight. >> At 11:59, my birthday's December 4th. So, 11:59 when I was 17 years old, they come knock on my cell door, wake me up, go grab your stuff. >> Take you till the >> I was I was literally >> They probably wait until you at least woke up. >> They just wait till you wake up. It's the same thing, but you're not you. It was like a wing they had at this jail camp and they just move you to the other block. So >> yeah, I was in I was on a floor at the county jail justice center. I was on the second floor with the juveniles. They move right up to the fifth floor cuz I was still waiting on tri. I had been sentenced yet. >> So on my literally at midnight that night I was in a sale with a 37 year old looking at like triple life. >> I'm waking up out of his dead sleep like I'm your new cellmate. I'm 17. I'm 18 in an hour. You know what I'm saying? And I'm in there like a whole I'll never forget how just >> and that's why I go back to why do you still talk about it? That's a traumatic experience. I was still a kid. >> I just moved my 18-year-old daughter into college two weeks ago and I cried and I moved her into a really nice dorm room in a really safe college in a really safe part of town in a really safe area >> and I was still like scared for her being in the adult world by herself. You know what I'm saying? And here I am like getting dropped in a sale >> with a grown man with a beard and got his second murder case. He beat his first one >> and did didn't beat it but did 13 years on it. Went home and came back with another couple of bodies. Anybody try you now? >> What? What? Try what? >> He's in the try what? >> He sound like he's in there. Try what? >> We going We going We're going to do some early clarification on the get tried stuff, Gilly. I love you, but I let you alteration every day. What do you I fought all the time. I God forbid you ever have to see see it, but if I ever get in a fight, it's fun to watch. I'm sweet with these things kind of. >> Imagine that. I mean, nobody ever tried to touch my butt. That's for sure. I never let nobody near my butt. >> You never got to a physical altercation in 20 years. >> Never. No way. >> Never. >> You're kning him apart. >> I got I got in a fight a week ago. Like, >> no. No. >> They was fighting cuz I just judged you, man. I stayed out the way, man. >> No, I stayed straight in the way. I was all in the way. >> I wasn't trying. >> I will say this, but you got to understand. I'm so glad I'm on y'all's platform to talk about this because a lot of people don't know my history because I I I just I've never really got to talk about it like this, but like I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood. >> I I was the only white kid in my entire middle school. >> You know what I mean? I I still went to a predominantly high school or what would have been a predominantly I mean a predominantly black and Hispanic high school. >> I was one of maybe two other three other white guys in every state facility or state county jail I was ever in. I was the only white guy and juvenile for all those years when I was waiting to get bound over. >> So by and by default >> I had a little extra chip on my shoulder. I had a little I was a little a little easier of a target at some point. You know what I'm saying? And it was early that I just knew right then. My brother told me when I was going in early. He said, "You got to learn how to do two things, man. Braid hair or fight." >> That's crazy. >> And to this day, I can throw hands and I know how to braid. You know what I'm saying? To this day, that's two things I know how to do. I know how to cut hair. >> I don't know how to braid. I don't know how to learn how to fight. >> I learned how to braid and cut hair. I ended up going to barber college when I was in car. >> How do it feel though? Cuz you said something very important. You said two weeks ago, I just took my daughter to college. >> That's the same daughter we're talking about. >> I know. That's what I'm saying. How do it feel to know that hearing that she was born change your life and you was able to come out here and make something of yourself to be able to send her to college for a ride, take everything. She going to come out no debt, no worry about nothing. How do that feel to know that like I like this this little girl changed my life? How like to know that you did right? You made a promise. You kept the promise that you made to yourself and you never you never went backwards because of this little girl now. She's going to college to go get her degree. You did everything. You know how many people come from where we come from come from that prison that never get a chance? They never get a chance to send be to be able to send your daughter to college, let alone live. You know how many people od? You know how many people went back to prison? How many people got killed? >> 18 years. You you stood 10 toes down and you made a a promise to yourself and her to be the greatest father that you could be. And you materialized that. >> You mean you literally brought a tear to my eye wall. That's major. >> It's like there's no man, God has been so good to me, man. I made more money than I could ever dreamed of. I broke generational curses in every way I could. I've took care of all of the people I could take care of. Won Grammys, Cas, ACM, and nothing will bring me to tears like that. Like just the ability to like, man, I hate to be all soft on y'all should know, you know, but >> this is life. >> It's like to be able to take that same little girl. I got full custody of her when she was like six. Her mom's a heroin addict has been out of her life for the last 13, 14 years. Still ain't in her life. still losing losing that battle right now, you know, and to know that little girl's in college, man, it just I can't help but get emotional about it. Like to actually watch that. >> It is truly like when this thing's all said and done and I'm sitting on the porch in a rocking chair and we're laughing about the the night of the Grammys and all the parties and all the crazy stuff that we never thought would happen and me and all because like you come out on tour, most of the guys from my neighborhood still work for me. >> You know what I'm saying? But I hope we're not talking about those nights as much as we are just talking about our kids going to college. >> I mean, that's the beautiful thing about it. When I sit back and I think about some of the craziest [ __ ] we did, >> I'm like, I'd done been shot. I done I'd have been locked up with 98 pounds of weed. We done did armed robberies. It's like >> the night you should have died. >> And my daughter graduated from Ruckers. >> We was right there watching, >> you know what I mean? My oldest daughter graduated from IUP >> and I'm I'm just like >> it was crazy >> that feeling, man. >> It's just like >> we was in agony. >> How did I even graduate at this point? >> You know what I mean? >> Just watching my daughter graduate high school. I cried cuz I didn't graduate high school. Neither one of my I only had one brother graduate high school. None of us nobody else did. My daughter's the first one on my side of the family that ever went to college. >> Everybody thinks I broke the generational curse. I didn't. >> She broke the generational curse. Yeah, >> she's the real generational curse breaker. I'm the one that opened the door for her to break the generational curse, but she's the first one. Your daughter >> did it. She went to Rucker. >> That's crazy. Crazy. Crazy. You know what I mean? And then my daughter that I adopted Yes. >> from our past relationship. I sent her to the Lincoln. >> Mhm. >> She graduated Lincoln. Then I sent her to Temple. I'm sending her to get a masters right now. She graduated May with a >> Temple. >> Temple University. >> Oh, see graduating with a masters day. >> That's the generational curse breaking. That'd be some of the proudest [ __ ] for me. You know what I mean? Like >> to know that my you know like it's almost like you you wasn't that bad of a dad. >> You figured it out. Yeah. >> That's it. It's like you figured it out. All the other [ __ ] I [ __ ] up, all the bad [ __ ] I did, I can at least point at this one thing and go, you know what, man? >> I [ __ ] showed up for this person. all the inconsistencies, all the relationships I blew up along the way, all the mistakes I made, all the times I had to eat [ __ ] >> but at least I stayed steady with this one thing. And I don't know about y'all, but I gave up on so much [ __ ] in life and blew up so many things and [ __ ] up so many good things before. >> Yeah. >> To just stick something out for me meant something. You know what I mean? Just to be like, man, >> I talk to that little girl every day, man. Like, and what's what I'm even more proud of than her going to college is my relationship with her. >> Yeah. >> So, she don't hate me. She didn't end up there in a place where she don't like me. She asked me to move her. You know what I'm saying? And I took so much pride in that. >> And she was laughing at. She was picking on me about this. I didn't hire a moving company or nothing. I got a little scratch. >> I've done okay. You know what I'm saying? I could have I could have I could have sent a I could have sent a helicopter. >> I could have sent a helicopter in. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? And I was like, "No." Like, we were in there packing her room up together. >> I loaded that U-Haul truck just by myself. I wanted her to see that. I drove that U-Haul truck to her college myself. I got They couldn't believe it. I'm the only guy that pulled up to the college to drop my kid off at school with security. >> You know what I'm saying? I got more security guys there and I'm pulling up in a little little dumpy U-Haul truck by myself cuz I wanted her to see like I was that proud of her. >> I'm in there helping her put together her lamp she bought from Walmart. You know what I'm saying? >> Air fryer little fridge. >> Man, that you know what I'm talking about. You putting all her little [ __ ] together. This her little comfort [ __ ] You know what else did it for me, man? This made me cry cry. I don't know about y'all. This some dad [ __ ] >> Seeing what meant enough from her from our life together to go to her new life. Mhm. >> You know, when I'm watching like, you know, cuz you know, she, you know, you watch this kid, she you give her [ __ ] every year. She keeps, you know, kids, you know, whatever. >> And you looking like she took some pictures of us or like a note I wrote her or like this little sign that my ex-wife had got her that was like a glowing sign that says her name, Bailey, and she took it. It's like >> that stuff I don't know why I'm crying loading this stuff up cuz I'm like, man, that stuff meant enough to I'll cry again. >> That stuff meant enough to her. She took it. >> Yeah. >> Like she's like she's taking a little piece of us to her new life. You know what I'm saying? Like damn. Okay, that pair them sneakers I bought her four years ago. >> She loved them sneakers. She's still wearing those those sneakers I bought her. Like these sneakers meant enough to her. You know what I'm saying? And then you go back down and see when she left and you cry again cuz you're like this meant so much to me when I gave this to you. I can't believe you left it behind. You know what I mean? >> And then what's so crazy is just being honest. The kids don't be nearly as emotional as you. >> Not at all. >> Because you're looking at it from so many different angles. Oh, I'm so proud. Oh, this my baby. Oh, they like, "Dad, what are you doing? I'mma call you tomorrow." Like, like like tighten up. Like, what are you doing, man? What are you so mushy about? But they don't understand that. It's such a sense of even pride for you. It's not even just for them. It's like, damn. >> Yeah. >> Damn. We I've been through so much and to get to this point it's just they don't understand it until they get kids >> for sure >> and then you know they sit around and then cuz you know when you got kids you just find yourself just >> they be too they just run past and you just like holy [ __ ] like that's a little me like >> yeah like man this is >> [ __ ] like this little and to see her she saved your life >> saved my life you know what we used to say >> saved your life bro >> we used to say this thing to each. We would say it where she'd start finishing for me. I said it so much. I used to say I didn't get custody of her. She got custody of me. >> You know what I mean? Like she literally saved my life. I don't want to interrupt this one. Can I do something right quick? We're talking about this is deep. Yo, Vesio, where's JB at? >> Okay. We tell him bring me my phone when he can. >> I want to read y'all this. I want to read y'all. Y'all okay with this? I'm serious. School. I want to I want to read this because while we're on this topic, she >> she sent me a text like probably like her second she's been there two weeks now. So, it had to been her first weekend there because you know how kids are. I don't know. She went she didn't go far from the house like driving distance like a couple hours away from the house. >> And when she dropped her off that first week, she's like, "Dad, I'm gonna come home and spend the weekend with you." And I was like, "Oh, cool." Cuz you know I'm empty nesting. I'm like big old empty house. I'm like, "Oh, please come back to the >> change." >> You know, and by Friday, she's already so in the system at school. She's like, "Plow." >> I swear. Listen. I swear. I swear when I dropped Dday off at Lincoln, she was sad. >> Yeah, >> man. And I talked to her a couple days later cuz they the weekend came. They had they she was it was a wrap. She was off to a racist. She was like, "Oh, I love it. Uh I went to this get together. They had this." And it was over. She was like, "I ain't giving over." >> Oh, that fast. It was like that. I was like, "How did you end up giving up? I'm chilling fast." No, because what they don't understand is >> they what kids don't understand when they going to college at first >> is that they they they're going into an environment where they feel like I don't know nobody. >> But what they don't understand is >> none of the other freshman know >> anybody anyther. So everybody's super nice. Everybody want >> how you doing? Where you from? >> So then when they get there after like three days they like oh no I got four friends. >> Yeah. No, she literally like, "Yo, I got some stuff popping on campus." >> They like, "I'm chilling." They got >> I was like, and I'm super sad. I'm like, "Y'all was I had a weekend planned for us. I had dinner reservation. We going to watch the game." No. >> So, this is the message she sends me on. It was Sunday. She goes >> She goes, "Dad, is that does that sound [ __ ] Okay, cool. Let me know if it ever does. I'll make everybody be quiet." Dad, I'm just sitting in my living room about to go to bed in my home and I was texting Aerna, which is her best friend, about going to see her in college. Uh in in uh I was texting my friend Aerna about going to see her back home next week and saying how I needed to stop by your house for some stuff. That was just our house, right? And she goes, "And while I know I'll always have space there, we have different homes now." And that's just so so crazy. And it makes me so emotional, >> man. I'm going to really cry on this podcast. She goes, "All to say I love you and thank you being the craziest and weirdest and coole and thank you for being the craziest, weirdest, and coolest dad. I wouldn't be thriving, entering adulthood if it wasn't for you. Thank you for setting me up for success and pushing me through everything. It's gotten me far and I promise I'll take it farther." >> Damn, I could cry. >> That's the reward. You did your job. >> That's like to get that from a little girl sitting up at, you know, and she sitting at 9:00 at night so she wasn't high or drunk or nothing. You know what I'm saying? It was no was no midnight special. You know what I mean? It's like just that message was like >> that's the message like >> that man listen but like winning the Grammy was probably the biggest moment of my career. >> That message right now is probably the biggest moment of my life. >> That alone just that like >> just I don't know man it just touches me in a different way man just to know that we went through all that stuff like you said the night you think about the robberies you think about the man I could have died right there and not been >> you could have died. >> You know what I'm saying? Or you could have ended up on his case. You could have all these so got out. >> I ain't I gave him a pass. >> I mean, it's cool. >> All these scenarios could have went the other way. You think that's why the daughters don't know why we're so emotional neither. We're kind of looking like you don't know how close it was to like >> death. >> This not even happening at all. You know what I mean? >> But [ __ ] >> it just be real. But like like what you doing is great. Going back to the prison uh is amazing, man. And it's this feeling you get every time you walk back in. And a lot of people don't know cuz it's like I could walk back in here and I can get give the residents something. Either it's a either it's a show, even it's your words, even sharing time with them to let them know like, yo, >> the world waiting for you. >> Hope >> the world wait this world is waiting for you out here and there's a bunch of opportunities just standing there with a sign with your name on it that's waiting for your arrival. But you got to be able to go out there and connect with them and you got to believe in yourself and don't give up on yourself because a lot of people come out here and the world can be intimidated with social media, >> right? >> Cuz I had I had I had somebody tell me that it was like low man. It's just like everything coming at me. You looking at everything you you thinking and I'm like yo a lot of this stuff online is illusions, bro. >> Right. >> Don't get caught up. Don't think everybody is just doing perfect because everything you know social media sell perfect. I said don't believe that. You dig what I'm saying? So it it's hard, but like to be able to go in there and just let them know real life, talk to them about real stuff, that's the most important thing in my life. >> And I think it's special that you get to cook with them, sit down and break bread with them. That's my favorite. I love when I get to go talk to them. I love when I get to go sing with them. But when they let me go to the juvenile and sit down and play spades with these kids, >> oh, that's the one. That's why I >> You know, I never You know, you know what's crazy? You know, I never learned how to play spades or chess. >> What in the [ __ ] was you doing in prison? You didn't fight. You didn't play Spain or did you you didn't have any fun in this game? >> He was girlfriend. Listen, let me explain something. >> You got the strangest prison story I've ever >> Let me explain something to you. I seen the dude get his head open to the white meat to the blue blood. You know, blood is blue. It was that deep over them game tables. I said, "You know what? I don't never want to be in them type of locations. They unnecessary. They don't have nothing to do with my bit. I'm just going to go to the school building, go read a book or something, go sit in the >> I seen too many people, you know, too many people get their head open about them games, man. That's one of the reason I fought >> Wait, he was laid down for three days. Done. >> No, I that's one of the main reasons I fought a lot. I was definitely on the card table a bunch. >> Gambling like crazy. >> I tell you the craziest one I had. The cra the stupidest fight I ever had in jail. And this is some stuff people only understand. It's racial politics. And this is how how jail really works. I was in jail and I was always because of the neighborhood I was from. I was just automatically I didn't never have to go with the white guys. Ultimately I could work with the white guys and I because of I made a lot of money in jail. That's why I got a lot of [ __ ] too though because I was able to >> maneuver both sides. >> Everybody understood me and I was a trusted party on all sides. >> Me and my one of my biological cousins are playing one day. We're playing poker, >> right? and he was talking about just some stuff or whatever and he's joking with one of his white boys and he tells him he says uh he says I love my cousin even though he's an in-lover >> but he didn't even say it with a hard R he a it >> and in the south there was a lot of nuance with that in that era like it's way more like we we know now white boys can't say it at all but it was definitely a lot more looser in certain communities back then because race relations were a lot different back then >> but the problem was even in light-heartedness and us being cousins and it being a joke. You can't do that in here. >> You could have did that at the crib, even in our old neighborhood, but you can't do that in this setting. My B, we love each other now. We don't have a problem. This is this is not an issue. This is not an issue at all. Right? Then I quit shuffling the cars and go, "We got to fall in." >> You know how jail is. >> We There's no people that don't understand this culture either. There's no hoopla. >> There's no standing up and getting loud about it. It's quietly like, "Yo, we got to fall in. >> We know what sale we going to. We were going to the one right there under the steps in the corner. It's the cell we all fight at. You know what I'm saying? >> After going there, get down with my biological cousin. >> He come out lumped up cuz I got them [ __ ] hands. >> He keeps saying he keep saying he really >> I'm telling I'm not saying I didn't get whooped. I I got >> He put little donuts on your [ __ ] Why you think they call him jelly, bro? That's how he got the name. >> I will tell you this. >> Donut little donut on your [ __ ] >> I'm decent with them because I took a lot of asswomans. You know what I'm saying? For sure. I'm not afraid to get because because of that I've learned that I learned how to move with these things >> and we had we come right back out and sit right back down at the car table. Nobody acknowledges it. That's the trauma of jail. Nobody says nothing about it. Nobody ooze. Nobody a it's not a big deal. They don't make fun of him for losing. >> They don't. It's just like yo man you can't >> you can't say >> because of the people I'm with in here. They're not going to look they going to look at me tomorrow and take me to the court. They going to put their hands on me for I put my hands on you >> and they know we're cousins. I don't get to go that's my cousin. Y'all know he didn't mean nothing. It's like still man. You let him disrespect us. >> You know what I'm saying? It's one of those things like that's how jail works, you know? >> Let me ask you a question. >> No. So, so what would you have done? >> What? >> Oh, he would have been at the car. I would ask the trick. Hold on, hold on. You hang around all the white boys. They cool. You You accept it. He like one of your cousins up there. He like, "Yeah, you know, I still [ __ ] with Wallow, but you know, he hang around all the cracks." What you would have done? >> I wouldn't have been there. I wouldn't have been at the table. I would have been in my cell chilling. So that that don't apply to me. I'm not at the table. That's it's not happening. So it wouldn't >> that was my mistake. I was too social. >> Yeah, I was I was I wasn't playing that [ __ ] But let me ask you a question. >> So So you can't even answer the scenario or what you >> I wouldn't have been there. The whole twist is this. I'm not one thing about this. One thing about this, just like I in the free world, you know me. >> I'm not going to be nowhere. I'm not supposed to be that's not going to add value to my life. I don't care about who you are, who you think you are, how you think you know me, I don't care. >> Do this add value to my life as a grown man. Do this make sense? Is this a smart environment? Is it safe? >> Right? >> Like, is it, you know, is it people in this environment that don't care about their life? >> I don't need to be there. >> How you judge that there's people there that don't care about their life. >> No, cuz some people don't. >> How you judge that though? >> Oh, you're just they on dumb [ __ ] They just on dumb [ __ ] They just mad. They angry. They hate everybody. It's everybody fault. Why they life is not because them the people that they can't they scared of the mirror because the mirror going to tell you the problem of life and now you shot a video. >> Yeah. >> In prison. Not too many people did that in the history of music. >> No, it was crazy. I got to do action. Not only got to shoot it, I got they let me perform that day too. So I did like an hourong show for the guys in San Quinton. I did it in the same room Johnny Cash played it in, >> which was a huge deal. Now Warden had let me play the yard before. So I'd even got to play the lower yard down there in San Quinton before. And it's like I was I was explaining this to my friend was like who's disconnected from that side of life completely and I was like there are two famous prisons in the world. >> Guantanamo Bay and San Quinton. >> Yeah. >> Just like there's one famous jail in the world, Rikers. >> You know what I mean? Like these are the things you think of like everybody kind of knows what Rikers is. >> Everybody for better or worse knows what San Quinton is. Everybody for better or worse knows what Guantanamo is. So like to be able to go back to San Quinton and be able to play in San Quinton and I love Johnny Cash, man. He was like my inspiration on the country music side to get to go where Johnny did and do what >> do you understand? Do you understand for you to be sitting in the same room that Johnny sat there with that guitar and said I hear the train coming is rolling around the bend and I ain't seen it since I don't know when I shot a man in Reno. Watch him die. >> So So it's like >> to be able to do that. I know that was like, >> "You want to hear something you're going to love?" That's what I open the show with. >> Get the [ __ ] out. >> I swear I could pull walked. They lost their [ __ ] I walked straight up there. I was like, "Yo, since we're here, I would feel wrong to start this any other way." >> All that. They went crazy. >> They went crazy in there. >> Oh, dude. It's rolling a bit. And I ain't seen the sunshine since. I don't know when. I'm stuck in false in prison and Tes on. >> I'm telling they lost [ __ ] >> No man, it was crazy. And then I got to play and the cool thing is I did a bunch of tone. I got to do a bunch of covers in there and then we and then we shot the video. >> But what's even cooler is and you're going to get to see this firsthand tomorrow. Y'all are going to come and take a whole tour of the place. >> Yeah. Yeah. We going to see though. >> They have a college in there now. They have a full college in San Quinton. When I say college, I mean like >> credited >> credited college. Wallow. Let me I don't want to There's a side of me that don't want to say anything else about this because I want you I want you to be blown away >> because you're gonna look one way and go, >> "Oh yeah, that's that's Death Row." >> And you're going to look the other way and go >> that's Ruckers. It's that much of a difference. It wasn't even like they took the like it's a brand new new brricked building in the middle of the yard of San Quinton. That's a college. >> They have their own newspaper there for their inmates. The San Quinton Times. They have a 10-person inmate staff that writes it every week. They do small film festivals in there. They have a music program in there. They have literacy classes. They have a dog program where they have an entire unit where inmates over there. >> That's crazy to me. I never seen that. Huh. >> Did you eat a tray in there? How was the food? >> The I didn't I ate one tray and it was It's >> tray. >> The food. >> You got to go the food. If they doing all this stuff, they got to have a good I might >> I need you to talk to the world about this. This is one of the things I need talking. I don't want I don't want to talk about the one bad thing happened. I'm going to go take care. It was It was still jail food for sure. >> All right, [ __ ] They still got to be locked up. >> I know, but still, man. The food I got to go take care of that. I got I'm I handle >> No, you got to go in there and cook. >> I know how to do this. >> Especially to cook it, man. >> So, who doing this, man? You're my man. >> They need a culinary program. >> They got culinary. They got a culinary program. They need one for the big inmates. >> Add some more. So, go whip that because you got to use the paddles. You got the big kettles. That's why I used to >> Now, did you come out of the kitchen and did you have a hustle at least though? Did you come out of the kitchen? I was sell I was selling the peppers and onions. Yes, sir. >> And I was platters. I used to make the platters on big chicken. >> Did you get access to the coffee too or No. >> No. The coffee was Nobody really cared about the coffee cuz everybody bought their coffee off of the Columbia coffee the little zipline joints and they creamer that that was like, you know, that was everything. Coffee creamer, they kite, all that type of stuff. So I would be in there and I would make platters, baked barbecue chicken on chicken day. And I used to take the imitation crab meat. They had this imitation crab and you know the pack. >> Yeah. >> I used to take that, slice it and make little crab sticks out of it and deep fry that stuff. >> Wow. >> I had an unbelievable season. I used to flour I get my seasons out of the season cabinet down the kitchen and I used to I used to pan fry it in the oven. I take it eggs, flour, dip it in oil, lay it on the sheet pan and I used to throw it crispy. I'm talking about unbelievable. Then I used to make the big macaroni and cheese. I make the dirty rice, fried rice, and I put it on the trays. You know the uh the flat trays. You know when you like you eat them in the county, the flat styrofoam trays. I put them in the trays, wrap it up, throw a lid on and wrap them up. I can take them right to the block and sell them for a pack. I was killing them. That's real money. >> But but the but the green and white, the the the the onions, the peppers, the sleeves of raisins. I used to sell the sleeves of raisins and sleeves of like I feel like you know how they had a cereal bag, fill oatmeal up, that type of stuff. That was always, you know, give do the camera say less eight weeks. So, >> no, that was it. I would come out >> sweaters. Used to knit sweaters. >> He lying. He lying. >> Said you was in there crocheting. >> Yeah. Yeah. He lying, dude. They do that in there, but I wasn't doing it. >> When I was in juvenile, they would let me run the late night. There was this guy named Mr. Oscar. God rest his soul. We call him Pops. And he would let me come down and do the snacks cuz you know when you're in juvenile, they still get >> snacks at night time. Every night >> snacks at night. And uh cookie night, he would give me all the extra cookies and I would tuck my jumpsuit into my sock and you would just see leg. Your leg was walking. >> I'm walking with w like I'm sneaking by somebody. They just let me slide and I was in there swinging the cookies, man. Anytime I got in the kitchen, I tore it down. >> The kitchen was life. >> The kitchen was life, dog. If you could come out an onion, you could get anything for an onion. You could go in there and ask, you could get anything you wanted for a couple of onions and a green pepper. It was such a big commodity. >> If you add that cuz it brings so much flavor to them so much flavor. The reffried beans, the rice, the chili. You add all that stuff. >> Oh, the burritos they're making in there, any of that stuff. It's a game changer. It's the only kind of flavoring they get outside of what was on the com >> talking about you had the stinger. You had people connecting the what's the name to the like damn is this metal and you cook on this >> for sure. >> You cook you cook this turn into >> I bro that's for you [ __ ] I did 10 days I'm cooking on a [ __ ] stove. What do you mean? I >> told you you told. So you got out but it's >> But listen man, Jelly man, we appreciate you man. Um, we appreciate your honesty, your transparency, >> and and just you showing like, listen, man, no matter how big I get, I still don't never forget where I come from. Also, >> this little girl changed my life. >> Yes. >> And there's a lot of dudes that's going to sit and they going to hear about this. they gonna see it and they and there some people that just got out and they fighting because one of the hardest things to do when you get home you know when you in jail you tell your kid daddy when I get home and do this and do that and then you get home and the things you might have told him you can't do because the finances might not be there but nothing is more important than >> your presence >> being able to do it and I and I learned that with Maymay being able to I thought I used to tell her she like we going to go here we going to go here but when I got home she wasn't worrying about that she was happy walking down the street going to some slice of pizza or hog. She was happy with that. >> I want to I want to give two things here for this if you got a second. One, let's talk about go back to identity. >> If you're that young guy coming home, find your identity in something basic. Being a father, being a better son, being a committed brother, being a man of service, being committed to your church, being committed to some part of your community. Like there's so many different ways to find identity. Like >> I tell people I found identity in being a father. It meant everything to me. like I whatever it takes to be a father and like you said now you don't put yourself in compromising situations. My thing was does this make me have a chance at being a better father. >> If this can lead down a road where I can provide better for my children or be more present for my children to do that and the money thing I'll never forget I finally got a little scratch and she was like five or six and I bought her like the um the four-wheeler you everybody gets the power you know >> and I bought it for probably like a year when a year too young, right? >> So we get through we pull it out the box. I'm over there putting it together and she couldn't really drive it yet. And I looked up and I felt like, man, I blew it out. I blew out this one. This damn thing she can't hang out with. And then she had started playing with the box. And I sat down with this little girl and we cut holes in the box and we made the box a little fort and ended up building pillows around it and blankets around it. And we spent hours entertaining ourselves with this box. M. >> And that was what you just said was the moment I realized was like, man, it didn't that power wheel didn't mean nothing. >> It was me sitting in the floor with her >> with this blanket in this box and creating this imaginary world where we were we were hiding from pink elephants that were trying to kill us. You know what I mean? Like it was that >> those hours that I put in with her that built the relationship where I get that kind of text from my daughter >> like whether I got the power wheel or not, like the kid don't care about the power wheel. She don't remember the power wheel. She's not going to take the power wheel to college, >> right? >> I said, "What you talking about? I've seen all kind of expensive [ __ ] she left back home. Stuff you bought like she going to love this cuz I had money." You know what I mean? And she none of that stuff didn't go to college. Things you >> It was the the note I wrote her. Have a kick-ass day, dad. >> You know what I mean? It was the pictures. It was a couple of pair of shoes that she just loved because, you know, sneaker stuff or like it was the stuff like that that she didn't take none of the game stations, none of the the big desk I bought her. None of that stuff mattered to her. You know what I'm saying? It was the other stuff that like it's all that has taught me so much about >> we over complicate everything like just like >> go find if you're looking for purpose or connection and there's so many places to find it. If you struggle with alcohol or struggle with drugs, go find you a meeting. Don't be too don't be too proud. >> You'd be surprised how much community is in that room. Yeah. >> How fast you might find your person in that room. Go to your church. If you're a Muslim, go find your local mosque. Somebody wants to take you under their wings. Somebody wants to be there for You, like you said, you don't know how many people are Clark. Was it Clark? Was it Clark her name? >> Yeah, Clark. >> You don't know how many people are Clark with their door open right now just waiting on Waller to walk by and give a [ __ ] >> There's so many more people cuz they're not in that job to find anything but purpose, too. It goes back to what we said earlier. You know what I mean? Success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure. >> Like they could be they don't care. They're already in there getting underpaid. It would light up their day to see a wallow finally go out here, come in, actually care they're there and care about them, >> actually be able to do something, connect later down the road. >> The lady who ran the juvenile then when I was a kid, literally 25 years ago, runs it right now. She's retiring this year. >> Her name is Miss Hockett in Nashville, Tennessee. >> And here's the even better part. She's retiring from there and going to work at a nonprofit started by the DA that charged me as an adult when I was a juvenile. And it's one of my charities of choice >> because they help atrisisk youth and kids transitioning from juvenile. And now he fights for kids that the same kids like me he was bounding over. He fights to keep them from getting bound over to be a part of his program. >> She retired and she's going to work for him. >> It's like man that woman cried >> when I came when I got famous. >> Like when I came in there the first time and I was the first one that brought the Tennessee Titan football team into the juvenile after all these years. I was the first one that connected the city with it. >> The one that brought the mayor in there. like to have these moments of like every time I walk in there, she cries like a baby. And I'm in there all the time. I'm in there like every two or three months when I'm home, I stop by all the time and go play cards. >> We got my brother Mike Scott. He ran a juvenile out, you know, center down in Philly. He brought He used to bring He Man, we go up in there, you know what I mean? He used to take everybody there. I'm talking about me, we all go up in there. >> I'm talking about he he brings so many people there. Created a >> a music room. I'm talking about we literally going in there >> feeding the kids, taking books in there. They even had the what's the name? He This guy had me get in there. What's the thing? Well, they had like a carnival >> and you throw the ball at and you drive to the wall. >> Yeah. Yeah. The Duncan. >> They had me in there. And they had wallow and the dunk. >> They had They was killing me. But it was like just them letting them know, listen, you can't send a kid make mistake. He go inside the institution. You can't forget about him and just expect the them to just come out. You got to still give him that love and still let him be a kid. >> And let him be a kid, man. We got to go to the juvenile. You got to next time you're in Houston, hit me up. I want to send you down to that juvenile. So they have a basketball program in that juvenile. You would love this kid. >> I got game, too. I got game. >> You would you would love Y'all would love this. So part of my weight loss was we we play basketball every day. I have a show, me and the tour crew. >> So we were looking for a place to play basketball and my philanthropist lady hits me up and goes, "Yo, they they said you can come play at the juven because I went to go speak at the juvenile that day. They said they said you can play there. They have a program where the coach and everything that coaches kids. They have like a league in the juvenile, the Houston Juvenile. We're trying to help them build a basketball court there right now >> and a new one because it's old school. I mean, it's a, you know, it's a juvenile basketball court. >> And they set up and they let us go in and play the kids. They let me bring five guys to go play against their best five juvenile kids. And them kids damn near balled on us. I mean, they were real. The first game they smoked us cuz we weren't ready. >> We had to have a moment. We were like, "Hold on." We was not prepared. We didn't think, you know, we knew this. I knew we thought we were grown ass men. we going to back these. I'm going to get get off me. You know what I'm saying? But there were some grown men. There were some 17-year-olds fighting murder cases. >> But it was such a such a moment of like >> but I was explaining that you were that's letting them be kids. Like that's another thing too, man. These kids don't feel like kids. Most of them have been taking care of their mama since they were 12 or 13. We most of these kids grew up in households where they were the adult >> from an early age. They seen that their mother wasn't qualified to take care of them in the way that she might have loved them, but she wasn't qualified to provide or take care of them. Father might have been missing. Father might have been in the house on drugs. Father might just not have been able to find his way. I don't know his story. Might have been in prison. >> But these kids more often than not >> were not able to ever actually be kids. >> You know what I'm saying? Like I remember when you put them in a room by themselves and they have a program that does this down in uh Oregon where they'll put kids in a room by themselves like juvenile kids and let them have a coloring book. >> And he said 10 out of 10 times if there's no other inmates in there with them and they put them in a room by themselves, those kids lose their mind with that coloring book. He said, "If you just set them in there for 10 minutes and just set the coloring book down and walk away and just don't give them no context, I'll be back in an hour." If they're in the room alone, if you put three of them in there, they don't [ __ ] with the coloring book because they're afraid to do it in front of the other homies. >> But as soon as they walk out, you said, "You watch these kids makes you want to cry a little bit, right?" You just watch these kids turn back into kids again. They just immediately got color pencils out and they're drawing and they're coloring and they're like, >> it's something they were deprived of or it's something that they never felt like they could really connect with. It's like when you allow a kid to actually be, we're we're talking about kids, man. My daughter, y'all know this. Y'all got kids. My daughter's 18 in college. She's a kid. >> My daughter, my youngest is 24 now. >> And you're like, you her prefrontal cortex will be done next year. >> Meaning her brain will have fully developed actually next year. >> You know what I mean? Like, so when you're looking at it from that perspective, like she's still a kid, >> you know what I mean? As a 41-y old man, I look at anybody under 30 kind of like that's still a kid to me. Like I didn't I didn't consider myself an adult until I was 30. I was like, "Okay, I should start growing up." You know what I'm saying? And now I'm 40 and I realize how not grown up I was at 30. >> And I hope at 50 I look back at this conversation and go, "What the [ __ ] was I talking about?" You know what I'm saying? Like I hope I continue to evolve that way. >> And then I hope somewhere along the way I look at myself as a kid again. >> Yeah. >> Is the real goal. You know what I mean? I don't know. That's just that's just But that the kids let them be kids, man. And and when you're in a hostile environment, >> it's hard to feel safe being a kid. You already don't feel safe being anything. You don't feel safe being anything but the shooter or whatever your identity is or the hustler. >> You got to have some sort of identity. The dude against the girls. >> Everybody got the identity. You know, you starting about identity. Uh Gilly was probably if nobody else gets nothing from this is that man >> you don't have to find your identity in that. >> You know, there's so many other ways because identity is so important, man. I'm I'm learning now that like don't let the mask become the face. >> So, >> you know, that's a big one. Like don't let the because that shooter mask will become your face if you're not. Don't let the mask become the face. >> Don't let the mask become the face. You know what I mean? Like at some point, man, like you got to take that mask off. And >> I'm a person that live off energy, too. So, I just feel as though >> when you keep putting [ __ ] into the atmosphere, >> that's that's what it becomes >> for sure. >> So, if you you allow people to say this is what you are, this is what you are, this is what you are, then more than likely that's what you're going to become. >> For sure. >> Because that's what you hear. That's what you start to believe. That's what You feel what I'm saying? Well, y'all were calling this thing million dollars worth of game long before y'all had millions of dollars. >> You know what I mean? Like, think of that. But y'all knew early. Like, I know that what we have here is worth millions. >> It's worth You got You got to speak. >> You got to speak life into it. >> And you got to be delusional enough to believe that you could be great because that's what take you to another level. You got people starting things off and they don't believe in it. It's not going to work. >> For sure. If you don't crazy enough to believe that this [ __ ] like you can even see it with artists, like you will see a recording artist today and you can just see, oh yeah, they don't believe in that [ __ ] >> They they doing it head down. They don't they ain't got that energy. It's the energy like no, he going to go somewhere >> cuz that's the one that'll keep showing up. >> Y >> that's the biggest one. The real test of time. I always, man, listen, I'm a mediocre singer at absolute best. I'm a I'm a decent songwriter on my absolute best day. I was a horrible rapper, which is how I ended up being a singer. You know what I'm saying? Like I just nothing about me screamed. I wasn't cute. >> I was overweight. All the check marks you're supposed to have to have been a Grammy award-winning artist. I didn't check any of those boxes at all. >> Even when I came into country music, I didn't look like none of my contemporaries. >> In hip-hop, I didn't look like none of my contemporaries. In rock and roll music, I didn't look like none of my contemporaries. >> But I was just the one, my homie once told me, he said, "What do you think happened between He referenced another rapper in our city that didn't do it maybe the way I did it?" And I said, 'I'll tell you the one difference was he wrote 70 songs and put out 50 of them. I wrote 3,000 songs and put out 500 of them. >> That's the only difference. >> I was just willing to do more for long. I was willing to lose longer, >> right? >> I was willing to eat [ __ ] longer. I was willing to be the guy with the new mixtape that nobody cared about longer than everybody else was willing to keep. Like they were getting sick of seeing me almost. I got a new mixtape. It's like, we got that one. No, this is brand new. Like you got the one I gave you last month. That's my new mixt thing. They're like, "Oh, [ __ ] All right, here's $5." >> You know what it is, too? I think we live in a world where people, it ain't about being afraid to fail. They they they afraid of people seeing them fail. >> The small I believe it's the small people. I believe it's a small group of 15 people. It's 8.3 million people, billion people, 8.3 billion people in the world, but it's 15 people that they might know that they're trying to impress in their mind or they want to accept them or they want to see them because they might have always been invisible to them. So they like, "Damn, Jelly ain't post my music or this dude a it ain't working." No. What about the 200 people that's in the comments like, "Yo, this hot, man." >> Like, nobody focus on their real fan base. Jelly might be from your city, but he this just might not be your fan, >> right? >> And the people that like Jelly, then they be they try to guilt trip the people that, man, they like Jelly be support me like y'all support Jelly. You're not jelly. You're you're somebody you got a different >> You're peanut butter, buddy. >> Yes. Thank you. You got a different Yo, you know we was going to come out with a group called Peanut Butter and Jelly. It was going to be Jelly. I was going to be Peanut Butter. No, I wasn't. [ __ ] off. You a little I mean, you're a little loose. You [ __ ] I mean, that was a good name. Like, it was a good rap name. I thought it would be. I mean, >> you don't know how much it tickles me that this is who y'all actually are. >> That's crazy though. Like, straight up. Peanut butter jelly. That's a like every house of love. They like they go peanut butter and jelly. >> They be like, "Look at these [ __ ] old head stuff with their peanut butter." >> No, that's just like everybody eat peanut butter jelly. So they be like, "We get a peanut butter and jelly deal with one of these joints." >> Some jail [ __ ] See, that's some jail [ __ ] >> No, I believe in the [ __ ] He don't believe in it. Like >> that's some jail at it though. >> We haven't throw peanut butter and jelly. >> They do. No, everybody. >> You don't eat peanut butter and jelly? >> No, I don't eat peanut. >> You never ate it? >> Probably before in my life. >> I'm saying everybody going to throw a peanut butter and jelly now. So they like they go peanut butter. We be big, man. We had the award shows at the Grammys and [ __ ] Peanut butter and jelly. Okay. Everybody performing live. >> Peanut butter. >> We're uh performing >> with DJ Jelly Roll. Can I just be the DJ? Performing live. Their new single bread is my best friend. Peanut butter and jelly. >> I just keep seeing my man just keep laughing. >> You know what type of brand deal we'll get for that [ __ ] They'll be a bid war of peanut butter and jelly companies. They'll be bit Oh man, you don't even >> get you an uncrustable deal. >> Yes. Yes. See, you you not ready, man. >> I want to touch on this though right quick. Yeah. >> Something I want to encourage young artists to do though is man, [ __ ] who's posting you. >> Yeah. Tell the artist. >> You know what I'm saying? Like I think that's important of like because I used to fall into that mindset too of like I would have a homie that was more lit than me >> and I'd be around and I'd be like why isn't he supporting my stuff? My stuff's not working cuz he's not supporting it. And that goes back to the mirror. >> I should have went my [ __ ] wasn't hot. It wasn't good enough to be posted yet. He knew that it was he knew that it wasn't >> he knew that it wasn't ready to be posted yet. And I don't I don't even think it was as vindictive as it was as much like and also like what happens if he posted it 25 new people follow my page. You know what I mean? Like he like he knew the the impact of it wasn't I remember being bitter at times of what people didn't do for me. >> And when I look back at those moments I just think to myself like man I was focused on such the wrong thing anyways. I I should have been crafting all that energy wasn't the the real energy is like I teach my son is that we are we are extremely praised for what we do in the light for what we suffer alone practicing in the dark. >> And the harder you're willing to suffer alone and practice in the dark, the louder the praise will always be in the light. You know what I mean? It's like so many artists like I got a song, put my song out. It's like >> how many songs have you wrote? >> You know what I I mean, I never forget the first time my daughter wanted to do something musically and of course she kind of doesn't as much now. When she was young, she wanted she had the bug. She said, "Dad, I got an EP. I'm ready to put it out." I was like, "How many songs you got?" She's like, "Five." I was like, "How many songs you wrote?" She's like, "Five." You don't got an EP. >> You got five songs. I was like, "There's no way we're not putting out the first five songs you wrote. This is crazy." >> Because we also don't live in a world we used to live in where we could put out a bunch of whack-ass mixtapz and nobody knew it because they never get found again. >> This is forever on the internet now. >> You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is we can't take it down. somebody's going to stuck it. It's like it's gone forever. Even if we take it down, it's going to end up somebody got it. It's like >> we got it's a whole different game now. It's like how many songs are you willing to write in the dark that are bad? And will you accept that sometimes it's just not working cuz the song wasn't good. Like can you be that honest and out of your ego to go I need to go write another song or I need to write five more songs or come up with this many more. Like >> there's just so much more to the work side of this and I think people give them credit for like you do the work. I promise the homies will post. >> They'll have to. There's no way it can became undeniable. >> Or even if they don't post the outside is a post and force them to >> post eventually they and then they look like the corn balls that was late to the party. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like then then it's like damn you should you know I knew you'd end up over here >> and then you got two choice that shows who your spirit is. Are you going to be bitter about this or can you look at them like you know what I'm just glad you ended up on this train >> and that'll teach a lot about how you go moving forward. How many times you willing to hear no? How many times you walk into the record label and not care? be open to constructive criticism where the labels would straight up tell me, man, that's not a single. >> This ain't going to work. I can't take this there. >> Just like I'm open now whenever I don't think something's a single and management or the label comes to me and go, I'm telling you this is your single. >> I I've never told this story out loud. I fought Need a Favor. It ended up it's a big song of mine. I fought it. >> I was like, I don't think that's my single cuz I I had only put out sad songs before then and this was kind of like I only talk to God when I need a favor. was a super uptempo and they were like, "I'm telling you, this is a big record." And I was like, "Nah, but this ain't what >> n we need to put this other song out first." It was a super sad song. They were like, "We'll put this song out, but I'm telling you, this record is a hit." >> I almost got in THE WAY OF MYSELF AGAIN. A 40 a 38-year-old man, I've got in the way of myself so many times in life. I thought I'd get past that phase of my life, of [ __ ] cuz I used to [ __ ] [ __ ] up. If there was a way, you could put the greatest situation on my table and I'd blow it, Gilly. I would I would explode it. >> And I almost blew this one. It took a team of people me having to sit around and go, you know what? perhaps y'all know more than me. And I was like, "That's on y'all then." You know what I mean? And even then, I kind of put it on them like, "All right, well, yeah, it's on y'all." >> That [ __ ] went. Now I'm lying to everybody like, "It's my single. Yeah, it's a hit and I'm singing it every night with big pride." And I didn't believe, not that I didn't believe in the song. >> I just didn't believe the song would be a fourtime platinum song. >> It just I didn't hear it. I thought it was just a cool song. You know what I mean? So, like that's the other side of the ego. Like, can you get out of your own ego, man? Like, just please don't be afraid to keep doing the work in the dark, man. >> Right. You hear that, man? >> That's a million dollars worth of game. >> That's a million billion dollar worth of game, man. >> And listen, >> I think this just part one, though, right? >> Yeah, this part one. Part two. >> Oh, yeah. I forgot we're going to the prison tomorrow. >> That's right. So, this just part one. So, we see y'all uh next week on part two. And it's just like that, >> right? Love y'all.