“It’s DISGUSTING!” Logan Paul Breaks Silence on $16M Pikachu, Getting Married, & Spending Everything

I'm a builder. I like to make things. When I do something, I generally go allin. There [music] will be criticism around anything I do. It does not matter if it's true. People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important. It is absurd [music] how you stay winning. What is the one thing you chalk all of that up to? Bro, you got to have discipline regardless of how you or others [music] feel. I take big risks and I like to make money and I like to spend [music] it more. What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs but zero in the stock market? What am I going to do with the stock? Bro, >> I spent $5.3 [music] million on a Pokémon card and like people thought I was insane. But what does your current collection look like today? gangster. [music] >> Logan Paul, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. What an honor. >> Thank you. Thank you for coming to my house. Um, you guys made this easy for me. I really like your work. Um, and I think you're I think you're good interviewers. I think you're good conversationalists. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Yeah, you guys you guys compliment each other. Well, >> we have to ask you, this past week, you sold the most expensive trading card ever in history, $16.49 million for the Pikachu Illustrator card. >> I just got to know, being in this house, this just absurd house. Let's be real here. This is It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. It's in Puerto Rico. You have an amazing yard. >> Thank you. >> Everything is to a tea. >> Why even do it? Why even sell the card? Does the money even make a difference? >> That's a great question. Um, I didn't know you were going to open with this. You'll find my my brain takes a second to wake up. I I I find I'm I'm always tired these days. Like I'm always tired. Um, okay. Why even do it? Okay. Well, um, it's easy to say now, why even do it? You know that you you you already have like everything you need. And that's so true. But I also spend a lot of money and we did not know that it was going to sell for that much money. >> No one had any idea. >> What did you think it would sell for? >> My guess was 107 $10.7 million. That's what I was saying. And I and I felt confident in that guess. I I felt confident it would hit $10.7 million. Um even on Poly Market the uh overunder for $16 million was I think like 10 15%. So, even even traders on Poly Market weren't entirely sure about what this thing was going to sell for. And so, now it's it's easy to look back and be like, $16 million card, man. Like, it's an auction, guys. It's an auction. Um, and it entirely depends on how much people are willing to pay for it. Um, why sell the card? I'm good at making money. I'm even better at spending money, guys. cuz I sp I spend I spend absurd amounts of money on on things that I like are sometimes not good investments. Um I spent a lot of money on a wedding. >> How much was a wedding? >> I mean, yeah, we're talking about money on this podcast. >> I spent $4 million on my wedding. >> So like $4 million. >> Where does that go? How do you do that? >> I could show you the budget. >> I would love to see like how much did just the flowers cost for your wedding, >> bro? Like I'd say, correct me if I'm wrong, probably between 250,000 $400,000. >> That is more that is like 10 times your wedding. >> Like that is >> Boys boys, that's a house. >> I cut that down. I cut that down. They came to me with like a 500k flower budget. I said, "Baby girl, what? They're flowers. Like, what do you like? How the arc the arc for the for where we were standing um was like $50,000." >> Do they know it's you? And do they say, "Oh, this is Logan. We could charge a little more." >> It's entirely possible. I also do think generally I think you get what you pay for. Our wedding planners, the Lake wedding planners are very good. They're very good. And we got what we paid for it. It was It was the best three days of my life. And so, I'm not going to lie to you. Before the wedding, when I knew I was dropping $4 million on this and and you know, like you're paying for an experience, but like it goes away. That's that's a sunk cost. You're $4 million. So [laughter] this this better be the best three days of my life. And genu generally or genuinely it was it was the best three days of my life. And like I think a lot of the people there as well. And so at the end of it I was okay with going, okay, I spent $4 million for everyone that I know and love to have an unforgettable weekend. like a weekend so memorable if you're on your deathbed and your like final your like images are flashing through your life like I think the wedding is going to pop up for most people. >> I would agree with that. I agree with you. I mean it better be $4 million for my own wedding. >> Oh >> yeah. [laughter] >> Yes. When I'm on my deathbed I'm going to remember the videos of your wedding. [laughter and gasps] >> I should have come. That would have been fun. >> I just can't fathom $4 million. Like why why four? Why didn't you just stop at three? Is the difference between $3 and $4 million really that much? >> I'll tell you what happened. We were shooting a reality show called Paul American. Um, when I do something, I generally go all in and we had shot season 1. We were getting ready for season two and we were waiting to see if it got picked up by HBO. [clears throat] [gasps] That's when we were scouting wedding venues and I figured uh the wedding would be a good season finale for a potential season two. I fell in love with this one venue. It's called Videste. It is a top three hotel in Italy. Um and in Lake Ko it's like probably number two. I I fell in love with it. Like, which sucks for me because if I fall in love with something and I have to have it and I do have the money, although financially irresponsible, but I have the money, I tend to like make that decision. And so, I committed to this villa, which was a 3-day buyout of 150 rooms at the one of the nicest hotels in Lake Ko. >> So, bro, it's $2 million out the door. >> $2 million. >> That was half the wedding. >> Half of the wedding, yes. was was was the venue cuz it's a full buyout. Sorry. >> Wow. >> It I had to buy it out in full because it's the only way they would let us film there and I did that thinking we were going to get a season two for our reality show and then the reality show did not get picked up for a season two. So, I'm I'm already in. I can't like back out. And $2 million out the door, which I thought like the production would pick up a little bit of the expense cuz >> it's at the season finale. It's like we're shoot we're doing it for the show. And so I ended up just eating that cost. Um which which stung a little bit, but again like the experience at the end of it was like guys I'm telling you the best three days of my life. If I could hit a button and go back to that weekend, one moment in particular for the rest of my life. Like you just you it's a priceless moment. So like the $4 million is a wash, but it's still $4 million. And so I'm looking at that, looking at this house I just bought, not cheap, and I'm like, man, the Pokemon market's popping. If there were ever a time to sell this card, if there were ever a time to sell this card, it would be right now. Ken Golden Maniac. >> Mhm. >> Gives me an insanely healthy offer. I thought invites me to his office. He says he's going to give me a $2.5 million cash advance and a a cut of the entire overall Pokemon/TCG auction. I thought, okay, $2.5 million advance, 115% of the hammer price, which I'm going to I'm I'm I'm going to give you guys like that no one knows because I I respect you and I like your podcast and it's also like a financial podcast and like I think that's >> stuff I'm so into. >> That's kind of the point of it and I know you're into it. So, yeah, 115% of the hammer price, which means um I think the final bid was 13.3 million if I'm not mistaken, >> or 13.8, I believe. It was something like that. >> Something like that. >> That's 100%. So, I get 115% of it. So, on auction houses, they have what's called a buyer's premium. M >> it's essentially the fee that the auction house takes for putting everything together, finding the buy the biders, uh finding the item, and just that's their that's their finder fee, if you will. The buyer's premium on my Pikachu Illustrator was 24%. Which is high. >> That's high, >> but typically they're all like 20% anyways, which is which is high. I've always found that high. I'm I'm I'm a bidder at auctions and when I'm bidding I'm like like an extra 20% like like for the auction house like damn. But that's that's just the name of the game. That's >> that's the name of the game and that's um the magic of the auction the the the model that is an auction. >> So um the the the buyer premium on my big illustrator was 24%. Well I got 15% right? So 15% this the math is weird on this. If the buyer streamer was 24% 15% of that went to me plus an additional 4% of the entirety of the auction. >> Okay. So every single person we talk to on YouTube, we always ask who is winning at the end of the day. Like everyone looks at YouTubers lives and like wow like that sounds incredible. Like by 100% by all means like we live very very lucky lives as YouTubers but as YouTubers you're always comparing yourself to someone else. It's human nature. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Everyone looks at you and they always say Logan Paul and Jake Paul are winning. And by winning, we mean like regardless of whatever is happening in the world, you guys will stay on top in terms of popularity, in terms of money, in terms of family, in terms of like overall quality of life, the amount of opportunities, the connections, what you're doing in life. It is absurd how you stay winning. I'm just curious, what is the one thing you chalk all of that up to? >> A lot of things come to mind when I want to answer that question. The the most simple way I could I could answer that question is uh probably saying the the answer is probably consistency. Um consistency regardless of how you or others feel. And I mean that in the sense of if I wake up and I like I don't want to go to work or I don't want to go exercise, like I don't really care how I feel. I've made like a commitment to to be great and I have these goals that I want to achieve. So like 99% of the time I'm still going to hit the gym or I'm going to go answer the emails. Uh contrarily when I say how others feel obviously like you guys are sitting with like a polarizing human being. Um, and there's a lot of noise out there. Uh, some of it warranted, a lot of it not warranted, but there's noise for everyone. How you or the people online feel about me is completely irrelevant to me. I don't care. I am going to stay consistent and show up for myself, my family, and my goals every single day. I would bet on someone who is consistently good way more than I would bet on someone who is infrequently great. Consistency is everything. If that answer bothers you, then I recommend looking inwards and seeing what is it? Because on paper, objectively, you are winning. And I 100% agree. Consistently good beats inconsistently great without question. Yeah. >> For those that are listening right now that want to add consistency into their life, how do you do it? Like what is the source of this motivation even on days where you're not feeling it? >> And do you think you were born with that? >> Man, I don't know. Some some things I'll definitely be like, yes, I think like I was genetically wired in that way. This way, I don't think so. I think I think I was conditioned this way by by my parents, specifically my father. >> Um, >> but it can be like learned. it can be uh influenced into someone like I I always I say this a lot as well like [clears throat] allow yourself to be influenced and inspired by people. I don't think I don't think I don't think I don't think people do that enough like when they see someone online it oftentimes feels like comparative which is like you said that's like a natural human condition like like I see them doing something um and I compare myself to them what okay that's fair maybe they're doing something that you envy or that you like but for me I I allow that to inspire me like how like okay that's awesome what can I learn from that person um so allow yourself to be inspired but the answer to your questions is this is where it gets kind of hard. Um, bro, you got to have discipline. You got to be disciplined. And that's that is a that is a difficult thing for a lot of people. Um, because to be disciplined, you have to have like a a motivation that I'm not entirely sure where that always comes from. I can rationalize my motivations and why I'm so disciplined. Um, but you have to be disciplined. I will say for me personally, and I found this as like a 14-year-old, being goal oriented really helps. Having goals, like goals that you write down on a paper and that when you achieve them, you can take your pen and just cross it off the paper. Something something about that to me is is deeply fulfilling. You walk into my office over there and you'll see goals on a piece of paper with a few of them crossed out and it's like goals, [clears throat] agenda items, thing to do, things to do because I think I think when a you um vocalize your goals, b write down your goals. C visualize your goals like you are what you attract. You really are what you attract. It's it's called manifestation is what I'm talking about. Some people call it prayer. I call it it's it's kind of like can be considered the same thing. But um be becoming goal oriented I think is very important and having discipline is is absolutely essential for any amount of success. 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What do you feel like people most misunderstand about you? >> My my knee-jerk reaction to that question is I'm not sure if I concern myself too much with what people think of me. Maybe I did at a point in my career, but like I'm 30 now, okay? Which is even crazy to say. And it's different than being 29 for all the 29 year olds out there. Like it's it's different. I'm I'm 30 years old. Like now I'm not like a young kid who's successful. Now I'm just a rich white guy. Like that that [laughter] is the difference. When people say like, "Yo, how old are you?" When I was 29, they'd be like, "Dude, you're so young." Wow. Good for you. Whole world ahead of you. How old are you? 30. They go They go, "Oh." And I have to just sit there and be like, "Yeah, I'm like, [laughter] >> why don't you lie to say you're 29?" >> Can't lie. Can't do it. I'm 30, bro. I have a wife and a [laughter] kid. I have a wife and a kid. Um I think in my youth I spent a period of time going why why doesn't why doesn't everyone like me I want to be universally liked and I have come to understand that for every person online or a celebrity influencer anyone who's putting themselves out there that is unrealistic. It's so unrealistic. The sooner you can swallow that pill happier you will be. And by the way, we can sit here on this podcast and talk about success and money and career accomplishments. The ultimate goal for every human being should be to be become happy. You what what more can you ask for than being happy? Peace of mind. And that's that's hard. That's hard. Um and maybe the other stuff helps you get there, but like bro, all of this is great and I'm I have so many blessings in my life, >> but if I'm an unhappy person, none of it matters. And so for me, when I realized, oh, I I I cannot please everyone, and because I know I can't do that, I'm going to stop trying to rationalize their thoughts about me, and I'm just going to try to live the best honest life that I can with people that I love and raise a family and hopefully be happy along the way. That's where I check that box. You know, I people probably want us to be hyper critical of you >> and you should and you you you should be where I feel like I have an educated opinion [clears throat] on it, but one thing I remember you definitely don't remember this. Years ago. How many years did we go to his house in LA? >> 5 years ago. 5 years ago. We went to your house in LA because Graham bought a pack from you when you did the live stream. Yes. >> Yeah. We picked up the We got the Gyarados. >> I know. I know. I remember it. I I remember you. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was there, >> bro. My memory. I'm no I mean you meet literally millions of people. >> Also also it's hit my head for a living. Like it's like >> so I remember I took a picture with you. I posted on Instagram. People couldn't believe that I met you. Like my hometown friends, whatever. They all asked me how was it? You know, "Oh, Logan, I heard he's like kind of like a dag. I heard he's this or he's that." A lot of people also were like, "Holy cow, like you met Logan Paul. That's the coolest thing ever." >> And they all asked, "How was it?" >> And I remember thinking to myself, you had no reason, not a single reason in the world to hear me out. I'm a random [clears throat] dude, right? And then I remember I I said something to you and you didn't quite understand. You could have just blown me off and you're like, "Wait, wait. What was that again?" Like I want I want to hear your thoughts on this. And I was like, like this is interesting. When he's talking to me, he's not focusing on anything else. You were genuinely just focused on that exact moment. Even though I'm a complete random stranger, 22, 21 years old, nothing going on really, some stuff going on. >> You had the space to like listen to me, which was really interesting. And then I met you again when we filmed with Jake. Same exact thing. like I was there, you were 100% all attentive, all in on the conversation. Your focus was unmatched. >> And the same thing even goes today. It's like, you know, maybe one day I'll become wildly successful so it could pay you in dividends. Who knows? But also back in the day, you had no reason to listen to me whatsoever, but you did, which I was like I was impressed by. I was like I felt honored by. And at the end of the day, I think you're a really just inspiring person because, you know, you look at your your stats on paper and you're winning. That's just there's there's no contest in the fact that you're winning. I appreciate you saying that. I try to give everyone the time a day. I do think people's thoughts matter and I want to hear them out, but ultimately at the end of the day, it's like an a thought or an opinion. >> What how do I feel about it? And um >> whatever you were saying obviously like I thought had some merit and you are like a smart individual and you are on a path to great success I think with this podcast especially, but you know using this as um a stepping stone for like other stuff you want to build or do I think is I think it's good. Um, but I try to give people the time a day and I try to lock in. I don't want to be one of those like celebrities or like wealthy individuals who does this to you. And I'm sure you guys come across this [clears throat] be like out and about and like talking to you and if you're talking to me, it's like they're kind of like looking past you and they're like seeing like like what's what's beyond this conversation. And I I want you to know I experienced that even like having some accolades myself. I'll meet people who I'll be out and about at a social gathering and it's the like looking past talking to me kind of like like >> to me when people do that it's it's a little bit like uh this doesn't interest you enough and um I do think that the ability to listen is an underdeveloped skill that most people have and the answer to a lot of people's problems when it comes to like social dynamics or even conversation like open your ears and like really listen. I took acting classes for a while and they harped on listening in being the thing that will enhance your acting ability. It's even that way in WWE >> like like to to be believable in WWE, [clears throat and cough] which is by the way where I find the pocket. If you open your ears and you're really listening to what the guy across from you is saying, you can go anywhere with it. Especially if you know your why, >> but that's another conversation. >> Okay. I mean, I want to dig into that. And like I point this is a money podcast. We got to dip into the finances. No matter how much I want to talk about all that stuff finances. >> Okay. >> What was the first big check that you got and what did you spend it on? >> I was a Viner. Rest in peace. I got a deal with Pepsi and they were going to pay me $36,000 for three Vines. That's 12K a Vine. Bro, was that your first deal? It was not my first deal. It was my first big deal. My first deal was actually for uh a product I still use to this day on my phone. It's called the Fly Grip. This one's broken. What a horrible display from them. But uh [clears throat] >> I'm just getting over sickness, by the way. That's why I keep uh >> hacking up a lung. Um, this one's broken, but I I I use the product to this day. And I asked them for 10% equity back in the day. They said no. >> Have they blown up? >> No. >> That's crazy. You still use it, >> bro? 10 years. It's I put it on every phone case. >> This one's broken again. You guys should have given me the equity, but I guess it doesn't matter anyways. It doesn't matter. >> But I think this the site's like right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like they they did not optimize and and I am obsessed with the product. That was my first deal. $2,000, by the way, man. >> Wow. >> $2,000 as an 18-year-old. >> But you went from $2,000 to $36,000. >> Yeah. I was rich. >> What do you What did you spend the money on? >> I bought a 2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8. >> All of it? >> Yeah. >> The whole thing? >> Yeah. >> Was it worth it? >> Yeah. Went 169 in that beast. >> Where? >> On the way to Vegas. You're supposed to say Tijana >> in Tijuana >> somewhere in Mexico. Yeah, >> there was a there was a strip from LA to Vegas. >> You do that drive all the time. >> You do it. You know it, bro. There's a strip there where you can rip it. Whoa, that's cool. I'm starting a company called Rip It. So, it's cool to use in a different context where you can rip, bro. So, um there was one time, do you know the drive from Vegas to LA? How long it is? >> It's like four and a half hours. >> Three and a half hours. Yeah. >> I made that drive in like 2 hours and 25 minutes one time. >> At what time? >> 4:00 a.m. >> Oh, wow. >> I was going so fast for such a long time. Not a single car on the road. Just going in that car. I have had some memories in that car. That was when I was young and I used to drive fast and honestly didn't value my life the way I do now. >> But I bought that car. I I packed up all my belongings, all three of them, including my bird, and moved from Ohio to LA in that car. But that was like the first purchase I made. I was like, as an 18-year-old, >> I bought this car and I was like, "This is insane." Like, I made it, Mom. >> When do you think you made your first million? >> I know when I made my first million. I was 21. I made a list of goals and one of them was to become a millionaire by 21. And I was upset that I became a millionaire at 21 and not by 21. And and and my rule, by the way, was million liquid. Million in the bank after tax after taxes. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Which there's a there's a there's a big difference. >> Jake actually had a clip on your guys pod. I know which one, you know, I'm talking about, but people were impressed with his ability to understand the difference between like having paper money and being like liquid. >> Um, >> which you know, you have to you have to account for surely. And how did your perspective on money change over time? >> I don't think it has, which I don't think is a great answer. My relationship with money has not changed. The stakes have just gotten a lot higher. I take big risks and I like to make money and I like to spend it more. Um, but it's but it's weird because it's like it's also not like I'm chasing money. I don't have like this yearning desire to be a billionaire. But why does the average person probably think that you do? Because you do all of these things that are extremely like lucrative. It does it just so happen that all of the things that you enjoy end up business is going on. >> In fairness, there was no money in Pokemon and then you went all in on Pokemon and then it ended up blowing up the entire thing. So in fairness, you have that is true. >> Money seems to be a byproduct of the things I love doing. I made YouTube videos for 10 years before anyone realized that you could become a YouTuber and make a career out of it. I played thousands of hour thousands of hours of the Pokemon games before I ever made a penny from Pokemon. And Pokemon in particular for me, there's a trifecta. You guys know know I say this all the time. >> It's it's business, it's passion, and it's content. >> It's the it's it's the perfect trident for me. Um, and Pokemon checks those boxes. that that's like kind of my my perfect pocket when I can sit somewhere between like storytelling something I really give a about and like is this a is this a will this be financially viable for me like how could you not do something like that that's like that's like a perfect position for anyone to sit in and Pokemon is that WWE is kind of that as well >> um actually WWE is that >> I get to I get to I get to do a lot of things where like I can sit in that pocket. >> Do you approach things differently now though than you did back when you were like 18 to 20? No, I I I'm I'm still a massive risk taker, bro. I spent I spent $5.3 million on a Pokemon card in 2022 and like people thought I was insane, bro. >> How much of the value of the Pikachu Illustrator today was attached to your brand and your marketing around the card? >> That's a great question. >> Cuz if I were to sell the card, >> I don't think I could get the price that you did. Even the Charizard, the PSA 10. >> Yep. >> The Logan Paul box break sold for almost a million dollars. >> Yo, >> that card, how much more was your name attached to it? >> Let's do math. >> The previous first edition Charizard price was $550,000. The one that said Logan Paul break on it that I pulled from a box break sold for $950,000. So roughly 2x, a little under 2x. But do you think that's also because the market has been going up and that maybe uh that that $550,000 sale was like a month ago? So like >> the market seems to have gone up a lot in the last month. Maybe like 10 maybe like 10%. So like okay maybe like 1.5 to 1.75x um because of uh a premium related to me. So to answer your question, if you would have bought the card for 53 and you would have sold it, I bet you would have gotten 10 million. The difference is in a very simple way what we're equating to like anything related to Logan Paul or because it was in my hands is not so much about who I am or or my brand. I think it's how I uh intertwine with the franchise and what has happened because of it. I kind of view myself as like a vessel for telling stories and for making big moments in Pokemon. And I think that >> that is much bigger than me. I happen to be the vehicle for these big moments and for these incredible stories to be told and I intend to do more of that [sighs and gasps] and like yes it's my name but I think that Logan Paul break represents way more than like Logan Paul. It's not like oh Logan Paul touched this card. It's no this Charizard was pulled in one of the most significant Pokemon moments in history on Logan Paul's stream. Does that make sense? It does. So you say that you're sort of just like the vessel. You're telling the story, but you're not like making the story. The story has existed. It's like kind of avalanched for a long time. >> I am all I am doing is shining a giant spotlight on something that deserves to be spotlighted. That's how I view it. >> I Bro, I love Pokemon. >> When's the last time you beat a Pokemon game? >> I just beat Scarlet. >> Are you kidding me? >> Yeah, I just beat Scarlet. >> Do you play it on Delta emulator? >> Uh-uh. I've been recommended it. Okay. >> I have to say [clears throat and cough] >> I was not happy with Scarlet. >> No, >> I think I think I think I think there's an extreme disconnect for like the games that I grew up playing and like the games >> the best Pokémon game of all time. >> The spoiler. Later in the episode, we talk about hair loss with Logan and the idea of flying to Turkey for a transplant, >> which by the way is just an absolute mission. We're talking flights, hotel recovery time, hoping everything goes perfectly. And it's honestly just flatout scary. If you're already noticing thinning, your crown starting to go, or your hairline moving back, you don't have to go through all of that. Thanks to our sponsor, Hims. 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And also, so every like 3 years, I'll get this >> bug to go back and and and run run the old school games and like like actually feel like a child again, which is awesome. Um and I recently did it with gold and um when you beat the game as an adult, it's kind of like, okay, how many times do I want to run the Elite 4 back? Like I can do it a couple times before like I man. My Pokemon are like level 55 to 70. Like I I'm [clears throat] kind of capped out here. And um I liked the battle tower a lot in Crystal and I thought gold had it and it didn't. It didn't have the battle tower and I was I was looking forward cuz the battle tower provides like a variable that you can like test your skills and it's hard too in Crystal and it didn't I I ran through it. I beat it and it didn't have it. I was like damn I played the wrong game. I didn't realize it wasn't in that generation. >> Okay. I mean let's let's not get too distracted here but you have to nuzlock. If anything you have to do a nuzlock run. What is a nuzlock? >> Oh my god. >> You got to help me. >> I've never heard of that either. >> You got to help me. >> To people that are big Pokemon gamer fanatics, nuzlocking is a custom set of rules. Totally viral. It's like [clears throat] it's >> it's a very rigid way of playing the game that makes it challenging and way more dopamineergic when you Oh my god. Yeah. >> On what? On what? On what system? >> Any system. It's not like like I mean there are ways that you can get like a Pokemon Emerald Nuzlocke ROM on your phone. So you can just play with the rules already implemented into the game, but the general premise is you cannot level your Pokemon higher than the level cap. And the level cap is the highest level Pokemon of the next gym leader. You also can only ever catch you can only catch the first encounter you get on any route. So if it's route 101, whoever you run into first, whether that's Zigzagon, whether that's Poo, whether that's Wormppole, you have to catch that. And then the next route 102, the first encounter. And so it doesn't let you build the exact same team. You have to play with a random set of Pokemon that you would not normally play. >> That's awesome. And if a Pokemon ever faints, you have to trash it. You can never use it. So you So your Pokemon cannot die. >> You have to nuzlock. The stakes are way higher. It's you you'll die. You'll have to restart your run. You'll lose. It's it's incredible. Nuzlocking is it's a game changer. It adds so much more excitement to these games cuz every game will be exactly the same. You're going to play with the same Pokemon. You're going to get overleveled and then the game's going to be easy. But this add stakes and strategy. >> Yeah, I know. I have my like starting six that I like. It's just I'll wipe everyone. >> I always like Pokemon Snap. >> That was That was an OG, bro. >> Remember when they did the picture thing? >> Yes, of course. >> I did that. I went to Blockbuster. I sent it out. I sent it in. I tried all of that. >> It's it's it's truly the greatest franchise ever >> because it just it's just it's perfect. It's the perfect franchise. And I I tweeted something recently where I was like, "Man, Pokemon should do like uh bring like see if you can inject a nostalgia into a game that they're releasing." And I was like, "Use like old school sprites and designs like uh the pixelated like 8bit kind of style um with all of the new Pokemon. So like the look and feel that that we know and love. Um, but with but with the new Pokemon and kind of like inject nostalgia and man, some of the Pokemon community like I mean they're like, "David, you heard of Fire Red and Leaf Green." I'm like, "That was 22 years ago, bro. Do you understand what I'm saying? That was 22 years ago." And there's a rumor that as part of the 30th anniversary for Pokemon, they're going to re-release Fire Red and Leaf Green on Switch in this pixelated sprite style. In which case, I'm just like, "Bro, >> I'm not just like saying this. I like I'm not I'm not just like a random guy being like, "Here's an idea." Like, "Bro, I've I'm with you. I've had some." >> No, I mean, I've seen your passion for Pokemon. Like, it's real. It's genuine and it extends beyond anyone else I've talked to. >> There are people who do not believe I like Pokemon. It is it is it is a it is a criticism that that I think is insane. Especially cuz like, bro, I have one tattoo. It is a Squirtle. I got the tattoo before I ever bought a trading card as an adult. I didn't even know I didn't even know there it was a viable look at it. >> It's there. >> It's it's it's it's cool Squirtle. And so like dog >> I think it's like it's like like that where I'm like >> bro y'all are just trying to invalidate everything I do. >> How many business ventures do you have right now? >> Seven. What are these ventures and what do their numbers look like? How do they compose your income net worth? >> I will say them and then you can dive into each one. >> Sure. [snorts] >> Prime, Lunchley, Antifund, WWE, Impulsive, Rip It, I guess my I guess my YouTube channel. Yeah, my vlogs. And then this isn't a business venture, but as far as like how I value or like divvy my time, my my family is like very high on that list. Obviously, it's my family, so it's number one. But >> as far as the time diving up, this is those are the those are the eight things. >> What's surprised you in terms of being the most lucrative? >> Yeah. Like I don't know. Money's money is money's money's money is hard to make and and and none of it is like coming easy, bro. Like hard. What's the hardest part about it? >> I will say the first thing that comes to mind is [clears throat] with Prime and Lunchley being that we have entered the CPG space where there are legitimate corporate giants, right? That have been around forever like legacy brands. We have found it both a blessing and a curse to be the underdog represented by influencers. You know, me and KSI at the end of the day like boil us down to like what we are. We're like we're creators. We're content creators, which is a blessing because it allows us to um surprise and shock people and like flash back to when Prime first came out. Man, it was the hottest it was the hottest drink on the on the planet. There was a there was a South Park episode entirely devoted to spoofing Prime, you know. Drink cred, bro. We got Cred, boys. >> Uh which is which is which is insane, bro. I just saw I just saw it in in Fortnite, bro. They put they put the prime parody Cred in Fortnite on their South Park characters. Like, out of all the things in the South Park franchise they could have could have put in Fortnite, they chose a Cred bottle, which is insane. There's It's such an honor. It's such an honor. But this like really broke through the mold, right? Cuz people are like, "Holy these influencers came together. They told a cool story. They have a really good product that actually makes sense. A better for you hydration drink. That that's our thesis. Better for you products. That's what we did with Lunchly as well. we kind of saw it turn on us a little bit because it's almost like you live and die by the sword because when these fake narratives were spun up about um so for Prime it was like PFAS forever chemicals we got sued destroyed the lawsuit there's no merit to it but like bro the headline for every Tik Tok lawyer looking for clicks is like prime sued for PFAS forever and and and so the hardest part that's that's a lot of context the hardest part for us has been having to consistently fight these negative narratives that most of the time have little to no truth to them that do damage the goodwill of the brand that we've built and people unfortunately believe it. Are there any narratives that are true? Like I've been seeing these videos lately is like Prime is dead. Prime sales are dead. I see that >> it's f like it's on the clearance section. >> Yeah, I see that. How much of that is true or >> it's completely untrue? It's completely untrue, bro. If I told you the sales we were doing, you'd be shocked. People still see the value in our product because it tastes good and it's better for you. Like I I I I gen I see people drinking Gatorade. I'm like, what are you doing? >> Do you ever think there's other brands conspiring behind the scenes to try to like, hey, let's let's knock Prime down a little bit. I will say I found it a little odd when Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer was making a press conference about an energy drink that happened to be called Prime. [snorts] Seems a little weird that the Senate majority leader would take time out of his day to address an upand cominging influencer product called Prime. It is my opinion that there was some behind-the-scenes lobbying going on by big corporate giants that saw the disruption that we were causing in the market and came up with an incredibly creative way to disrupt the uptick of our brand. To me, it seemed like maybe there was just like parental confusion between this the energy drink and that what you're drinking and then the parents are buying this for their kids who are like 10 years old and then they're getting wired at school and sharing with their friends and >> like that. That's how I interpreted that. We are in the stance of we've done a lot to try to differentiate the products. I mean, one comes in a can, one comes in a bottle, one is marketed as 18 plus, the other is not. One says energy drink on it. The other says hydration. >> I'm curious. Google estimates your net worth at $150 million. Is that accurate? And where do they get these numbers from? >> Where do they get the numbers from? I don't know. >> That's not accurate. >> Okay. We're going to guess. >> Okay. >> Okay. I >> are we talking liquid or we talking >> I was what I think is that you might have like >> what I think is that you might have 80 to 90 million liquid that's what I think and in equity in prime another [sighs] 150 I mean I could sit and do some napkin math to hopefully be a little more accurate 200 million in equity in prime that's what my guess is we were trying to figure this out earlier I'm my number is the same as Jack I think about 80 to Andy liquid and then >> yeah 200ish prime equity. >> Yeah, you're way off on the liquid. >> So 30 million liquid, 40 million liquid. >> Uh you're much closer. >> Okay. >> Really? >> Yeah, cuz I spend money. >> The the house and the collectibles and >> Bro, I spend money. >> But tax? You you don't even pay very much in tax. >> I spend money. I don't know what to say. >> Okay. Okay. Well, we got to get into some of the spending because >> that's not honestly surprising. I thought that for sure. >> What's the point of having liquid cash? >> Margin of safety. I feel >> I'm not talking I'm not taking like cash cash. I investments. I can fix that. >> Bonds, a few treasuries. >> Nope. >> Do you have stocks? >> Nope. >> No way. >> Are you kidding me? >> Do you do you have a financial adviser? >> Yeah. and >> he thinks I'm a lunatic. >> Then why even hire this person to begin with? You're not going to listen to him. >> I consider him more of a certified public accountant, okay, than an adviser. >> And what does this person tell you to do that you don't listen to? >> Everything. >> Part of me wonders why do you need to do different business? Cuz from my perspective, I see like WWE is like massive. Prime is massive. You got your podcast that you could be doing anytime, any like and you got a wife and a daughter. It just seems like that's a lot. Like most people couldn't even handle two of those things. Like why keep pushing it and doing new brands and building new things? >> A I feel compelled to like I genuinely feel called to make this stuff. B I have a bit of occupational ADD where like I cannot function if I'm only working on one or two things. Like I have I have to I have to keep my mind busy. And um actually besides this past uh Monday night where like I did throw a couple back to celebrate the uh illustrator sale. >> Um I've been sober and that clarity it like has made me like a working maniac. Like all I can think about is work. My my brain is just like exploding with ideas and like have to get them out. I have to have to do do. Um I feel I feel called to and I also feel that um I have a ability in the collecting space to like make something really good and >> it made a lot of sense for me cuz like I I clearly like have >> some influence as like a collector. It feels like um there's meat on the bone if I'm not taking an opportunity to try to build something disruptive in the collectible space. >> You do have an eye to be early, it seems like, to a lot of the collectibles. Uh what really caught my attention is you were collecting a Bob Ross and you were bidding against Drake. >> Yeah, I believe. >> Did you see it? It's in there. >> No, I didn't see it. >> You should check it out. >> But that was something where I thought, "Oh man, now I want a Bob Ross." And that was never something I'd think about. or even the Space Jam that was down there. I'm like, that is so cool. >> And I now I see one on eBay, which I'm I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go ahead and buy. >> You have to. >> But how do you figure out what's going to be going up in value? Do you do you buy it with future value in mind or do you just buy what you like? >> Very, very rarely. Very rarely. [clears throat] [sighs and gasps] Um, it's taste. I wish I had like a answer you could dissect, but it's taste. I'd buy things I'm interested in. Hopefully, they hold their value. But like, yo, flash back to two years ago. Like, yo, brother, your Pokemon card was not holding its value, dog. Like, Pokemon had a lull. A big lull. Um, and it's easy to say now like, man, Pokemon's exploding. It's like, if you believe in the long-term vision, no problem. I do, especially for Pokemon. Um, Bob Ross is a legend, bro. Legend. And his art is actually really good. I know. >> It's really good art. >> So, yeah, I got a Bob Ross. And yeah, I lost an auction against Drake, but I got all sorts of stuff that I think is like best-in-class assets. And um I also sit in this unique position where like if I tell the story around the thing, right, I take my spotlight and go, "Yo, look at this. Here's why it's important. I think people go, "Oh, >> yeah. I can see why that illustrator is worth that much. It could only be won at an illustration contest. Only 39 of them are awarded and it was created by its Nashita, the creator of Pikachu. It's a Pikachu created by the creator of Pikachu. That's insane. >> You couldn't buy this card from a pack. You It had to be earned by the best illustrators of Corugore comic contest. Like that's that's an interesting story that like no one knew and now people know and like the value is there. So, you're telling me you had a third of your net worth in a Pokemon card? >> Hold on a second. We never actually said what my net worth was, >> but liquidish. I mean, like, would you consider that liquid net worth? It's it's it's b it's mostly I mean, you you could probably offload that relatively quickly. >> More of my net worth was in um cardboard than like any financial adviser would tell you makes any sense. What am I going to do with the stock, bro? Let it appreciate it. Pays dividends interest. >> I go to the vault that we store the cards in. I look at my card and I feel good. >> I feel like Ash Ketchum out there. Bro, >> we got to talk about how you're wasting money because there there has to be some phantom drain. There has to be some money that's being >> Bro, I just told you I spent I sentundred 1.2 million to the wrong wallet. Like talk about wasting money. It's gone. >> But if we talk about in the big picture, I mean, it sucks, but it's not going to be life ruining. >> Yeah. What's the worst money you've ever spent? >> My $90,000 Mercedes couch that Ara jumped from a plane with. >> Such a stupid decision. >> Whose idea was that to buy the couch? >> Air. >> No, you. >> Oh. Oh, sorry. To buy the couch. >> Me? Yeah. >> The idea was this cuz I had just bought a Mercedes lifted G Wagon. >> And the idea was that when I get home, [laughter] I hop out the Mercedes to go sit on some Mercedes. >> [laughter] >> I thought I was a gangster, bro. I was in my like like YouTube flex era where like we're like, you know, I bro I wear like a whole handful of rings and like chains and look like a dbo. >> Like bro, I I look back at my 2016 2017 vlogs and like I hate myself. Like as a 30-year-old man, I look back and like I would not have been a fan of myself. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. And so I see some of these youngsters these days and I'm like, man, they're young. You know, they'll age up. Everyone changes. >> How much do you think you've spent on Pokemon cards? Just that >> 10 mil at least. >> Are there any of those cards you regret buying? >> No. >> And what does your current collection look like today? >> It's gangster. It's incredible. I'm sitting I'm I'm sitting in the best position I've ever sat in as far as a collector because I've diversified. Um 5 years ago I was very vocal about collecting Pokémon. >> Mhm. Then I realized something. If I'm vocal about something and a market spikes and I want more of it, I've essentially just bid against myself because now everyone's charging 1.5 to 2x of what they were charging cuz I told the story about it. And so now I've been collecting in silence on some things that I just have not spoken about because I'm well aware that like if I tell you I love dinosaurs and like I've probably spent a million dollars in dinosaurs, I'm going to have to spend $2 million to get the same thing. And like and like I've experienced that as well, dude. I put a put I put a $2 million offer on a dinosaur skull. The guy said no. >> Did he know it was you? >> Yeah, he knew it was me. >> Do you think that hurt you >> sometimes? sometimes because here's another thing. I will not overpay because I'm me. You will risk losing the deal. >> Why can't you have a lawyer reach out on your behalf? Cuz I've noticed I've wanted a dinosaur for a very long time. >> Any sort of fossil or foot or skull and then Ken Griffin bought that Stegosaurus and the values have now just like quadrupled. I can't buy a dinosaur anymore. >> I watched I watched the auction happen live. I was going to bid on it. The the estimate was between four and six million, brother. >> Four and six million. And we sat there with the auction live ready to hit bid. >> Four. Four million. 4.5. >> These are probably on all the same auctions probably. And so I'm watching this that Stegosaurus go up. I'm like 11 million. This is crazy. Twice the estimate. 25 million. 30. Eventually I was like, bro, what what what's what's happening here? It's >> actually that auction that made me realize that my card could go nuclear, which is what happened. Same thing happened with the Paul Newman Rolex Daytona. When that sold at a crazy price, it brought up the entire watch market with it. >> Yeah. So, dinosaurs are dinosaurs are they're one of the best asset classes to invest in in my opinion cuz it's also the coolest piece of art you will ever see. It's a dinosaur. My prized possession is a 66 million year old Triceratops skull. How much do you buy that for? >> 500K. >> What's it valued at now? >> Probably a million. Bought it like three years, four years ago. So, I wish it was in this house. It's in my other house. >> What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs, but zero in the stock market? The am I going to do with the stock, bro? Let me tell you what happens when I come downstairs in the morning and I see a 66 million-year-old triceratops skull sitting there. It puts my humanity in perspective. In one moment, I go, "Man, we really are just like an evolved speck of dust that we have this short little amount of time to live on this earth." The dinosaurs were the greatest species to ever roam the earth. Do you know how many years they were around, guys? Hundreds of millions of years. Literally, do you know how many years humans have been around? Between 200 and 300,000. To put that into perspective, it's like, bro, we we are we are a blip on this radar of Earth. The dinosaurs are the greatest species to ever roam the planet. To have a to to get to own a piece of that and like let myself be inspired and like count my blessings every day and like look up at the sky and realize me my humanity. Like, bro, Nvidia stock can't make me do that. Shout out Jensen. >> Are you buying more dinosaurs? >> I can't afford them, bro. Cuz I like Pokémon. Maybe maybe if you invested those investments would be able to buy your dinosaurs. I >> I I uh let me tell you something. >> Yeah. >> Had my beautiful daughter. I had about 6 months of like a bit of a lull where I wasn't doing WWE and I was taking my time to be a dad, but my brain like just will go and I'll just start like conceptualizing and stuff. And I got very deep into starting like a a dinosaur company, a fossil company cuz >> I know. Yeah. I mean, look, >> I honestly believe dinosaurs are going to be popular. >> I agree. I mean, >> I've gone down all the documentaries on like the fossils and the dinosaur market and who's buying these and why geologists say, "Oh, they should be in collections, not in private hands. I mean, I've seen everything. Obsessed with them, >> bro. They're incredible." >> That though is the dilemma. And I'm glad Ken Griffin is loaning his dinosaur out to I think the Museum of Natural History in New York. Um because like to have a specimen like Apex that Stegosaurus that sold for 44.6 million be in a private collection is like a bit of a shame. And I even like I have this Triceratops skull, right? And like I'm like yo maybe maybe it should be in a museum. Maybe it should triceratops. There's a lot more of them. So like that one maybe. But like the the the the one of one stands or shoes the big T-Rex like that bro those can't be in private collections. So, I do hope that if people are collecting like these otherworldly best-in-class 70% bone completion um specimens, I'd like that they'd be in museums or collections where like young people especially can see them and allow themselves to be to marvel at this um spectacle that is prehistoric fossils. >> In terms of spending though, what was the logic behind buying this house? >> Um yeah, yeah, it is really expensive. it was not like a financially sound decision because of how much money it was. Um, a a couple like kind of practical things I think like you can understand. One, um, our old place, there was construction next door that started at 7:00 a.m. every single morning. We have about another 2 years of that, I think. And like that's tough, bro, cuz uh, I need sleep. If I if I don't sleep, I'm not going to be able to do I'm not going to be able to survive. I also was ready to enter my billionaire phase, bro. To be honest with you, I was ready to I was ready to level up and become like a big boy and put my back against the wall and live in an environment that I felt would be conducive to my work and and force me to lock in. I I told myself if I if I moved in this house, I would stop smoking weed, which is like bit of a vice for me. I got to I got to watch that demon. It truly is the devil's lettuce >> truly. And I did. And I've been locked in, bro. Has having more money made you happier? It's made me more appreciative, which I think manifests itself in like interesting ways. Like, it it's it it's it's made me more grateful. Like, bro, I look I am like glancing outside every so often. Like, I can't believe this is my house and I'm so grateful for it. And I pray every day and I just thank. And that gratitude is like provides an interesting level of happiness. I think that like doesn't it hasn't gone away. Like I also am someone who am pretty good at perspective, which is like way easier said than done, but if you can master the art of perspective, like you're sitting in a good spot. But bro, how can I complain about anything in this house? Suffering is suffering. Shut the up, bro. Shut the up. You're a billionaire in like a in a beautiful house and there's people like suffering on the streets, bro. Like, shut the up. You're like, you're good. And I get it, bro. I have bad days and I'm going to complain and I'm kind of being a hypocrite a little bit, but like, bro, it could be way worse, dog. You know what I'm saying? So, you found that you you got more motivation buying the house and having this huge purchase that kind of lit the flame. Like your back is up against the wall now. You got to make it work. >> I've always loved doing that. I've always loved doing that. Back against the Cuz I'm a fighter, bro. Like my back's against the wall. >> Jake does the same thing. >> We do the same thing. We're similar in this way. We we we spend money in a way that like makes us have to continue working. And I also know other successful people who who do this as well. like spend the money. Got to make Got to make money, bro. Got no choice now. You don't want to let your family down. You I don't I don't want to lose the house. >> Do you think money has changed you at all? >> Would you say it's for the better or for the worse? >> I think it's for the better because I've been humbled so many other times by life in various regards. Everyone on the internet knows what I'm talking about. But like, dude, I've failed like more times than one. in front of the whole world. That can destroy a person or humble them. But a humility check for any man is not a bad thing. In fact, I think most people need it. I've had to be checked by life like multiple times. And I think it's led me to, if I do say so myself, be like a semi- grounded person who is still somewhat in touch with reality, although living an extremely unrelatable life and having a lot of resources. And I'm and I'm and I'm and I'm like I'm proud of myself for that to be honest with you. >> Side tangent here. I just want to say one of my favorite videos of yours was the Tetris video. >> Dude, thank you. Thank you so much. That was such a fun video to make and I I think it went like under the radar. >> It did. And really quick, here's what I've noticed. When it comes to giving a presentation, the hardest part isn't the slides themselves. It's losing momentum when you have to pause and move your ideas into different tools to format them. And that's where today's sponsor, Gamma, comes in. Many of us use Claude to think things through. And then Gamma helps turn those ideas into real presentations. And now with Claude connectors, you can use Gamma right inside Claude. 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And obviously that sounds like pompous and like maybe a bit out of touch, but uh man, it's it's it's a it's a wild experience to get to to get to fly 40,000 ft in the air on on something that is like solely yours and you don't have to go through TSA. You you can eat food up there. It's just it's just quiet. You can sleep. Could you financially justify buying a private jet right now? >> Yeah. >> And why don't you? Cuz it feels like that would also light the fire. >> Spending a lot of money on other stuff, bro. Collectibles. For example, the ripet, bro. >> Yeah. >> Um, I'll have invested over $7 million by the time that we launch. >> Does Nina ever say, "Hey, Logan, maybe we shouldn't be spending. Maybe let's put some aside." Did she ever? >> Yes. But something happened that made her no longer do that. On an episode of our reality show Paul American, I told her I bought Wayne Gretzky's final championship game hockey stick for $336,000. She was like, "What the is wrong with?" Like in a nice way. She was just like, "Oh my god, I can't believe you bought a stick for that much." I'm like, "It's Wayne Gretzky. He's the great one. You know, my stupid man brain like rationalizing this insane purchase. >> Um, >> and then I think a lot of people were like, "It's commenting, it's his money, don't tell him how to spend it, whatever." And she was like, "Okay, fine." Like, I you know what? You're right. Spend the money how you want. And I also think she sees that like the stuff that I buy holds its value cuz they're best-in-class assets. They're grails, you know? Um, and so I think she's gotten a little more trust in my ability to spend money and then have it store its value and hopefully one day make money. >> It's just insane to me that you have more money in a stick than you do in stock. >> In stocks. >> I don't have I don't have a single stock, boys. >> Have you ever had one? >> Yes. >> What happened? >> I found Erade annoying. >> And so you just like told your guy, "Hey, get me out of everything." >> Yeah. >> Did you make money when you had the stocks? >> No. >> So you've only ever lost money in the stock market? >> Yeah. >> Technically? Yeah. >> What stock was it? >> I don't know. >> And who told you to buy it? >> Don't know. >> So, you downloaded E Trade, transferred money in, bought something, sold something, got out, and then bought a dinosaur head. >> It's about right. >> I think over the next 20 years, I do think a dinosaur is going to outperform the stock market in fairness. And >> it depends what you buy. What's the dinosaur to buy? If you have a budget under a million dollar to buy a dinosaur, >> okay, >> or or how much is it to get a grail piece that's not like, you know, $40 million? >> Buy a buy a T-Rex tooth, bro. >> How much are those? >> Probably $50,000 plus dollars. Depends what size you buy, but like I have one in that room, but like >> I bought it for like $30,000. It's worth like 60 now. >> And that is pretty cool. It's a Tyrannosaurus Rex tooth. And those I don't want those the argument of like it should be in a museum doesn't apply cuz there are a lot of T-Rex teeth but like not enough to make it the value >> doesn't that make it less valuable because there's so many teeth out there. >> That's where this gets interesting. This is what I realized when I was starting thinking about starting a dinosaur company. Okay. I I pulled the T-Rex tooth from the earth myself. if we went digging, which is also I hear some people being like, "Well, dinosaurs, maybe dinosaurs didn't exist." Go yourself, you idiots. Of course they exist. I pulled a T-Rex tooth out of the earth myself. >> Could have been planted there by somebody. >> No chance. 0% chance. No way. I'm >> kidding. >> No, it was it was and it was an incredible experience. And in that moment, right, I'm looking around. We're in the middle of Montana with the Hell Creek Hooligans. Shout out to the Hooligans, who just unearthed, by the way, the largest T-Rex tooth ever found. Ever. It's just like 13 14 inches long. It's like this big. It's insane. >> Is this the guy that owns all the land there? >> He does own a lot of land, but I don't know if it's that the guy, but yes, he owns a ton of land. >> We're on that ton of land. I'm looking around, >> bro. We're in the middle of >> nowhere. We're in the middle of nowhere. And I'm like, dude, how did you find this little plot of dirt to dig in that is like uncovered in a Kyloaurus skull? Uh, he found a pachy sephilosaurus there. He's in the middle of getting like a like a a femur out of the ground. And so >> I'm like, how the did he do this? It's like a needle in a hay stack. But then I started thinking about what I told you about earlier. Dinosaurs were around for hundreds of millions of years. Humans have been around for 300,000 years. Do you know how many dinosaur bones there are in the earth? They're probably, bro, everywhere. There are there are dinosaur bones everywhere. You got to be in the right area, right? There's like there's like like a dino straight in middle America. But >> if you can figure out how to optimize and efficiently ex find and extract the dinosaur bones from the earth, there's a real business there. Because dog, let me tell you something. No offense to the hooligans and I love these guys, but sticking your knife in the ground and twisting it just to find a teeth for 8 hours a day, a tooth for 8 hours a day is not a viable way to um optimize the extraction of fossils from the earth. >> So theoretically, >> be like a machine or something that just stomps and scans, right? >> Wouldn't that make you bearish on the prices of dinosaur memorabilia? Like the fact >> So is it a good or bad investment? I don't think anyone has the wherewithal in the dinosaur space to do what I'm saying. There are few people who could do it. Some of which are some of whom are friends of mine. >> Mhm. >> But it's hard. It's like a real operation. And I got I'm telling you, I I got close to doing it. I have the sickest. >> I feel like they're going to do it when the value reaches a certain point and then the cost of not doing that becomes higher than what they're able to unearth. >> You just got to have the you got to have the grit and the drive. I become obsessed with these things, bro. obsessed right now. I am obsessed. Well, I'm always obsessed, but right now especially, I'm obsessed with collectibles. Obsessed. That's why I have to make Ripet. Also, it's called Ripet. What a dope name, bro. It's my proudest branding accomplishment ever that we got the trademark for. Ripet. >> Is there a number where you would feel done financially? >> No. >> Do you plan on being a billionaire? >> No. I think I'll I think I'll become one, but like I don't plan on it. I think I'll become one though, God willing. >> At what money amount does more money stop making such an impact on like overall happiness and like what you are able to do? >> I've heard about like a 100 million. The difference between like a 100 million and a billion is kind of like marginal, I think. Then I also think there's like another level of like the billions and billions that is like a level of wealth like you can't even understand. I can't even understand it. I've seen it. It's like unfathomable. >> In your own life, was there a certain inflection point where like more money didn't really make that much of a difference? >> I think I'm here. But not that's actually not that's actually not true at all. Cuz like, bro, I I like if you if you if you gave me $16.5 million, for example, I could spend that tomorrow. Tomorrow. >> What would you buy? >> Pokemon cards. I am currently on a a Pokémon mission unlike no other. That is will be the most insane story that's ever been told in Pokémon. >> How much do you think, Gary, King Pokémon's collection is worth? At least 10 million. >> I don't think more than that given that he has so many of the first edition PSA 10 Charizards. >> Does he have like 20 of them? >> No. >> No. I think he has like between eight and 10 that I know of. Who knows? He's a gangster. But he has a sealed case of first edition boxes that he opened just to check if it was first edition boxes and it was. So like let's It's essentially sealed. That alone is worth it's the thing I tried to buy that I got scammed out of the the the GI the GI Joe cards >> that turned out to be GI Joe cards. Um that alone is I mean that's probably 6 to 7 million. >> So yeah, I guess you're right. He probably I don't know probably between 10 and 15 million probably maybe more. I think it's 20. God dang. Because what he does, I've noticed it's always up on eBay when you search for Pokemon and he prices it about 30 something% higher than the market value and it consistently raises. I remember when it was $5,555,000 for the whole collection and then it went to 10 and then 15 and 20. I think it's 33 now. >> So, for example, if I had like a ton of money, bro, I would just clean these collections cuz I just really believe in Pokémon. Especially cuz like dude, you ever see kids rip packs these days? They're careful about them. They are obsessed. Young people are obsessed with ripping packs. They're playing the game. Pokemon is still the highest grossing franchise in the world. To me, that is a determinate that tells me Pokemon has at least another 10 to 20 years because in the same way that it affected me as a child and then I grew up and got some money, which by the way is the same same thing happened to AJ Scaramucci, >> the guy who bought my card. Yeah. when we were talking at the end, he he's probably was 33 and guess what? Him and his brother love Pokemon. They went to tournaments. They were like battling. They like they were they were invested in Pokemon. Then all of a sudden, these little uh these little youths grow up and make some money and can spend um their money on this alternative asset class. And so it will happen for uh the youth now who will grow up and make some money and be able to um invest copious amounts of money on Pokemon. So, how are you investing your money today? Like where [snorts] is your like net worth allocated? Real estate, no stocks, like what percentage Pokemon as opposed to other alternative investments? >> A lot of it is in real estate. Like I I have two houses here, bro. Like it's a lot. There's a lot of money. Um a lot of it's in Pokemon. Um a lot of it's in this this collectible platform that I'm personally investing into. Um, like besides the real estate, bro, I'm kind of just kind of like betting on myself a little bit, betting on myself, investing in myself, and like the things I'm buying, at least the collectible stuff is stuff that I think like stories can be told around it, you know, or like that deserve that spotlight that I mentioned. >> And then of course you have Prime, which Have you ever been offered a buyout? >> Buyyou? >> Yeah. >> No. >> Never once. >> No. everyone wants to invest in it. >> Would you sell Prime for five billion right now? >> It's It's funny because that's obviously like a ton of money, guys. That would make me a billionaire overnight. >> Um but like I think I've reached a point where I just don't know. I don't know like money like it money be like the it's just a number like it becomes a bit marginal. I think I'm at that point this your question earlier like I think I'm at that point where it's like I don't know. Um, >> if it's worth it, I guess I could phrase it like this. There comes a point in your life where you will not do something simply for the sake of more money. >> Oh, I'm there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm there. >> So, money is not the biggest motivator or it becomes something else. >> That's Yeah, that Yeah, that's where I'm at. >> What do you think is an invalid criticism that you get >> to put this the most blunt possible? Is that um any inclination that I'm a scammer? like that is that is it's patently false. And unfortunately, I'm in a position where the only way to prove that is in a courtroom, which I intend to do sooner rather than later. And I'm and I'm looking forward to it because um online a lot of false narratives can be spun up and unfortunately people believe them. But yeah, I'd say it's I'd say it's that the businesses that I build um are not started with anything but the best intentions. I I like, bro, >> I don't I don't if it's not abundantly clear to you, like I'm not chasing money. I like building and it happens to be a byproduct of of things that I make. Um like I'm good at making it. I'm better at spending it. Um, but like I I I like building and I and I and I try to make stuff that I think is disruptive and fun and people can use and like it doesn't always work out. And I think there is a bit of a miscon misconception that people have in that um something not working out in a business setting doesn't mean you had bad intentions. >> Does that make sense? Especially now, especially if you can be made into clickbait and like a YouTube thumbnail and like people can make tons and tons and tons of videos about you to enrich themselves and get attention. Like, bro, God bless you. Go go go do that. Get that bread. But when you lie over and over again, video after video, time and time again, and you know you're lying, eventually you may find yourself being held accountable in a court. I have noticed that a lot of times people will to me almost like make something up and then everyone sees this and it gets a lot of likes and then they treat it as fact because that one comment got a lot of likes. Like recently apparently Jack had a trust fund I was unaware of. And Jack >> Elon Mus is a distant relative of mine according to the general public because there's another individual that shares my same name, Jack Selby, and he was a part of the PayPal mafia. I've never met him. I've never spoken to him. I tried to speak to him. Didn't work out. And he somehow knew Elon. And Elon is apparently my father, but he's not. And so this got a bunch of likes. And then people were responding to this comment saying, "Wow, I never knew Jack. I've been watching this podcast for 5 years. I never knew he was a descendant of generational wealth." And then other comments are like, "Yeah, you didn't know that?" And then also this. And I'm like, "Where did this where did this come about?" >> It was also crazy. I mentioned a while years ago that my dad was an animator uh for Disney in the 80s and 90s. >> Awesome. >> And then someone spun that up that my dad was an executive at Disney and that he gave me clients when I started in real estate and that I wouldn't have been successful if it were not for my dad being an executive at Disney, feeding me clients at 18 years. And I had no idea where they come up with this, but everyone's like, "Oh, wow. No, I had no idea." It's funny. Graham never mentioned this. Why would he be hiding this? Oh, now it all makes sense. >> Boys, I'm going to tell you something. People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important or objective. Unfortunately, it doesn't even it doesn't matter. Especially with AI now, people are not going to know what to believe. And so, they'll either believe everything or believe nothing. But I think people are idiots generally speaking and will probably believe everything. They do not care about truth. They do not care about resolve. They do not care about nuance. So if a headline makes sense to them that fits their interpret interpretation of reality and what they're seeing, that's what they're going to be glued to. And then if they find out facts that negate that information, facts, facts, evidence, truth that negates that evidence, they they don't care. Doesn't matter that it doesn't doesn't fit the reality. And so like bro, I'm done like trying to convince people. Look, bro, you got to believe me. I'm even even that's that's why like I have no interest in talking about certain stuff that like no matter how much I say like people always are going to have something to say. And like if you want to get to the bottom of it, great. Like let's uh let's lawyer up and and and and flesh it out in a courtroom setting cuz you can't hide in court. And for that reason, it's fantastic. Truth matters. Like it's a jury of your peers, not dumb YouTube audience that's influenced by the other guy in the echo chamber comment section. Like that's insane. That's that's not facts, bro. Even even on X, bro, some of I get community notes on X. Flames me. But a lot of the times it's incorrect. Like it's a community note written by members of the community, upvoted by members of the community. And if you're someone like me who has a large community that doesn't like you, they'll all just gang up on you on Twitter. You can't even trust a platform that says it that's that prides itself on truth and objectivity and facts to to to to say truth, objectivity, and facts. Here's something you can clear up, though. The Pikachu Illustrator card got graded a PSA 10. They say that you got it regraded a 10. I think you should set the record straight on that. I don't even know what to say. This This is so ridiculous to me. Like I bought it as a 10. Like there's a video online with like six, I think like 8 million views, maybe more of me buying it as a PSA 10. So I wait this this one I don't understand at all. The I bought the Pikachu Illustrator as a 10. There is objective proof. That's a fact. You can watch it. Link in description. What is the Where does that even start? Like that. This one's crazy cuz [clears throat] it's like it's so There's It's so cut and dry. That card had been graded 10 for like a decade. >> What's like help me understand? Actually, >> they say that your connection got it regraded as a 10, >> but it was a 10 when I bought it. You got to help me, Graham. >> I'm just saying that's what they're saying, and that's something we could dispel. But how does that but like >> do you think do you think you saying this is just not going to make a difference? There's no point. >> Hell no. Hell no. Bro, some [laughter] they will go watch the video of me buying the card as as a 10 from the guy who had it for 5 to 10 years before me where he bought it as a 10 and they'll go I don't even know what they'll say. This is like I have a disconnect with a a portion of the internet cuz I just don't understand the criticism. And then if I >> if I talk about it like there's always something else to say. Bro, this this podcast alone will feed commentary channels for the next 3 months. Like they will have a feast with this thing. And bro, God bless you guys. Honestly, God bless you guys. Get that bread. Just if you can keep it truthful. >> What do you say to the criticism that the PSA 10 should have been a nine based on its condition? My opinion about the grade of that card is that it's the best Pikachu Illustrator that I've seen and I have tens in worst condition. It's a 10. Yeah, >> that's my opinion. It's a it's it's a it the card is unequivocally objectively a 10. I don't know if the concern that criticism is so much directed at me or like it is, but at the end of the day, right, which doesn't make sense. I didn't grade the card. Um, the card was graded by PSA 10, 12, 11, 13, 14, I don't know, years ago. >> Yeah. My understanding too, the grading back then, they were a little more lenient than they are today with like the technology and everything. So today's 10 is actually a lot harder to get than like seven years ago. It's my understanding. >> I'm not sure. >> I don't know. >> But like, bro, >> I mean, yeah, >> the card says 10 on it. It's the only double-digit illustrator in the entire world. Um, and the buyer, AJ Scaramucci, said the following to me. He said, uh, he's like, "I did my diligence. I looked at the other alleged better condition cards than this one." He specifically pointed out, uh, another one that he saw that is like supposedly in better condition, and he landed on this one. And there were two other biders above $15 million, which as a buyer for me is like if if I was buying, it's it's validating. You're not the only one who thinks this is worth over $15 million. And bro, these people are rich because they're not dumb. It isn't dumb money. They did their diligence. And like there will be criticism around anything I do. It does not matter if it's true. People love to run with anything that tears me down. >> What do you think started this like cascading effect of criticism towards Logan Paul? >> Japan. >> That was it. >> Yeah. >> And and your beforehand you had not experienced anything really? >> No. I was I was I was literally YouTube's golden boy. >> So everyone loved you. There was no what h Logan Paul the the rise and fall. There was nothing like that. >> No, >> it was simply that. It was Yeah, it was it was it was the mistake that I made in Japan. And here's where it gets tricky. That's a re that's that's valid. Like, bro, I uh I made a I made a colossal mistake. And it was a moral it was a moral mistake. And so, you know, a lot of people closed their mind off to the idea that this is like a young person who like had his priorities shifted and like can become a better human being. It's oh, like he had a moral dilemma. He's gonna have a lot more. And he's a piece of He's evil. Like, bro, I see comments online saying like, "I'm evil." Evil, bro, like Hitler's evil. Evil, bro. That's a That is a strong word. And if that's someone's opinion about me, bro, honestly, God bless them. I think they're entitled to that opinion. Um, and that's that's just the way that cookie crumbled. And I think their mind's probably closed off to letting me prove that like I'm a human being who who made a mistake and tried to learn from it. >> Do you think that you dealt with that the right way? Should you have made an apology video >> for Japan? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was sorry. I I up I genuinely believe I up to this day. I'm like like if you if I don't know if this was on your list of questions but like if you were to ask me what's one regret regret you have in life I know I have more than one but um my actions in Japan it is a regret although I think I became a better human because of it and I certainly tried to do that and it wasn't like it's like yeah please forgive me I'm like I'm a good guy. It was like, "All right, I'm going to like try to like earn the ch like lit literally just earn the chance to be forgiven. I want to I want to earn the chance to be forgiven. Just a chance. Please try like let's see if you can open up your mind and like I I'll prove that I can be forgiven." And that was like eight or nine years ago. And like I I think I've done a decent job of it. But because that happened, it's a lot easier for people to then point their finger at me and go like, "Oh, his business failed. It's a scam, bro. the the business like ultimately didn't work out. But to accuse me of mal intentions right off the rip, especially if you have the facts proving otherwise is that's that's actionable, for example. Um, >> do you think that you needed that to happen? >> Yes, I do. I was just heading headed down a very bad path and would have like done something that with that would have had a permanent consequence. Um, but why that is a regret is because there's like a victim and who has a family and like they didn't need to see that. Bro, >> did you ever find out any information on You did. >> They did not want to speak to me. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And I understand. Um, and that's something I have to live with, bro. You know that you sleep in the bed you make. I made that bed and like all I can do is try to become a better human being because of it. Um, but I think because there was a a a lapse in morality in that moment, people assume, and this may even be valid, people may assume that like that lapse is like a permanent part of someone's personality. >> Some people believe that, some don't. >> What do you think is a valid criticism? This this may be something that is known a little more like personally in my circles, but I'm pretty candid like to the point where it can come across as like rude. Like I'm pretty blunt. >> You know how they say treat others the way you want to be treated. >> I find that to be total. I don't like they're beating around the bush and if something's wrong like bro you had a thing in your eye earlier like I told you like I don't care like >> like this is this like we let's let's cut the let's get to the root of what we're trying to say here. >> Y >> um it's it's a little like it can sometimes rub people the wrong way, but like that's how I prefer to be treated cuz like I don't have time for um and a lot of people want to be babyed. full grown men want to be babyed and coddled into finding out what you're trying to say. I don't care to do that when I think that's a valid criticism. So, we recently had Jake Paul on the podcast. How's your relationship with him today? [laughter] >> Like it like varies like day by day. Yeah, it's it's definitely the strongest it's ever been. But I think he's going through a lot right now of good, but also like he broke his jaw. >> Yeah. >> And that sucks. And that's proven to have some complications. >> Um his fiance just won Olympic gold. >> Saw that. >> And silver, which is insane. He's traveling all over the world. He's busy. He just had this huge fight. Um, and so like we haven't been as connected as we usually are, but like that's I guess like one of the side effects of having like a brother who's building an empire. Um, but overall I'd say our relationship now is like stronger than it's ever been cuz we've we've had a bunch of ups and a bunch of downs, >> but like ultimately I think the downs make the relationship that much stronger if you can work through them. >> What was the biggest disagreement you've had with Jake? I mean, bro, the most recent one is [laughter] like the disagreement that's very public right now on X >> uh >> and and very current like it's it's not it's bad. >> How much does that spill over into your personal life? >> Like, are you texting him? >> Yeah. Yeah. And bro, let me just before we even dive into this, let me say this particular one is complicated because although I vehemently disagree with his position on this and I can say that and I believe I have even as his brother the right to say that you I love him so much dearly and I love my family members and I'm sure people can understand this. that doesn't mean I share their views and in some regards I believe I have the right to express my disapproval and like I don't know if like there needs to be push back all the time like you'd support your brother no matter what like like yes but this one's pretty egregious to me and so I felt it important to vocalize that we are different people I love him. I disagree with this viewpoint wholeheartedly. >> I'm surprised how often people confuse you, too. >> That's the issue. And that's why it does bleed over into my life. People think I'm him. People think we're the same person. >> Yeah. >> I get called Jake, he gets called Logan. They think we're the same person. And so, and so it's like it's t it's tough. >> You know what's hilarious? Not to completely 180, but like when we had him on our show and we asked what the biggest disagreement like where your relationship with him was in the most turmoil, what would you say it was? My guess would be like politically >> for him it was when you guys were making diss tracks. >> Oh, I mean I mean bro that's like >> he said that was like a violently like >> that was bad. That was bad. >> Like that's crazy cuz to me as a viewer like I was just like I don't even know how old I was at the time just like oh they did a diss track watch and I'm like in my mind somewhere else like all right that was >> to him he's he was like as soon as he said that team 10's not even making any money he's like then I was angry like that was that was it >> so funny. He told me that was a bar. He He was like, "That was a good line. Do your investors know that? Do your investors know these ain't making any money." >> He thought that's the thing that really hurt. Dude, that's like really >> when I wrote that, I was like, "God damn, bro. [laughter] >> We going crazy on this." Yeah, bro. Uh, had to put him in the dirt for that one. I don't know what I even said in the song, but now I got to go and put you in the dirt. Like, but it's all out there and that was real and that was a became like an era of YouTube. The YouTube diss track era championed by me and my brother. It was insane. >> Who has a better musical career, you or Jake? >> I don't know. But we both have platinum records which was crazy cuz it's like a >> I would say it's Everyday Bro is more known. >> Absolute banger. >> Yeah. >> Everyday. >> I mean, Nick Crompton just crushed it. >> Really took that to the next level. >> Absolutely. He just crushed it. Everyday Bro is a banger. Jake definitely tried to make a run at music. I did too. I did too. Then I think we both realized that we're just not We don't have the it factor. I don't got the talent. Sucks. >> What has Jake taught you? And do you ever look at what he has or what he's accomplished with like any envy or jealousy? I think I'd be lying if I said no. I don't know any like specific examples that come to mind, but it's definitely a very easy narrative for people online to like he's jealous of his brother. And Jake's even approached me once and been like, "Bro, you're jealous of me." And I had to be like, "Dude, >> from the bottom of my heart, like I'm in the happiest place in my life, and I'm so glad you have everything you've ever wanted, and so do I. I don't have an ounce of jealousy for you." Like there was there was uh there was a a narrative online for a while that I was jealous of his fight career. Um which like I I think the way these things get spun up is by like a look or something said or me being like oh I think I could beat you and then people like he's just jealous. No, I'm like a delusional optimist. Like Jake thought he could beat Anthony Joshua. >> No, bro. Like no no no shot. But like he believed it so then I kind of believed it. Like that's just the way that's the way it worked. I what he's taught me to answer that or what have I learned from him? He's got this ability to be patient that I really appreciate. He his long-term vision is more fleshed out than mine and in many ways he is more disciplined than me, which is an ultimate contributor to his success. He's extremely disciplined when he wants to be. Is there anything he has in his life right now that you are a little bit jealous of? private jet. >> Well, no, cuz he lets me use the private jet like [laughter] like we That's [clears throat] brotherly love right there. Yeah. Like we get to pay at cost like we get an extreme discount. >> Man, I think jealous is the wrong word. >> Like cuz jealous implies a bit of like I should have that, right? >> No, I mean like it's all just things. And I think I think the things that he has are like >> incredible and I'm happy for him. I think his ranch is >> that looks awesome purchase. 5500 acre ranch, bro. That's nine square miles. >> There might be dinosaurs on there. [gasps] >> Doesn't appear to be in the Dino Bell. It's in um Georgia. >> You've looked? >> Yeah. Like he may he may find he may find something in there, but doesn't appear. Nah, bro. Like I don't know. Not really. You've also mentioned though recently that you're locking in. So you quit a lot of vices that you had. You're trying to focus on health. >> Yeah. >> Do you think if someone is a viewer, let's just say, >> is broke and out of shape, the first thing they should do is get in shape or try to get their money up? >> Fitness is the first step to greatness >> without question. >> Undoubtedly. I used to not think that. I used to not think that. But if you're not taking care of yourself, how the can you take care of anything else? Your body is your temple. This is the one vessel you have. When I pray, I pray that I was put in this vessel. It's just a vessel, guys. My consciousness is like wherever, but I've been programmed in this body. Treat it like a temple. Why would you not? And if you don't have discipline about the thing that's powering your entire existence on this planet, how can you expect to have discipline anywhere else? Put on your sneakers. I thought about writing a book one day and calling it put on your sneakers to me will alter like your intention of what you're doing. If you have your sneakers on and you show up in a gym like you don't just I dare you I dare you to do this. Put on your sneakers and walk into a gym. What do you think you're going to do? Walk out >> straight to the treadmill. No incline. No, probably like No, probably work out harder because honestly, sometimes I'll work out in Birkenstock, sometimes I'll work out in like slip-ons, but I haven't even thought like I haven't worked out in like like running shoes in a while, >> bro. Bro, I you don't even got to like just put on your tennis shoes. Go walk in a gym and see what happens. If you turn around and walk out of that door, what kind of person are you, bro? You're in sneakers at the gym. You're in sneakers at the gym, bro. Go walk on a treadmill. I don't care what you do. Go walk on a treadmill. Next day, go walk on the treadmill. Next day after that, put at 1% incline. Like, start somewhere. Fitness fitness, I think, truly is the first step to greatness. >> How do you maintain your physique? >> First off, I'm incredibly consistent with my workouts. I've been working out for 6 days a week, no matter how much I'm traveling or working or sleeping probably for the past year. So, back to the consistency thing. Um, and I noticed around month four, five, six, you start to like, for me anyways, my body start to look like really chiseled. Um, I'm religious about recovery and uh, I'm pretty specific with my preworkouts and post-workouts. >> What do those look like? >> Well, for me it's Prime Energy pre-work pre-workout, which like, yes, it's my brand. Yes, I'm inherently a little bit biased. That thing makes me run through a wall at the gym and like it's way way better than working out without it because like I like I can power through a workout. I also think the type of workouts I do he laughs at me but I think I think I think the type of workouts I do not a lot of people would do. And I think >> what do you mean? What type of workouts do you >> So every workout pretty much I start with a weighted jump rope 15 minutes and then this is like a peak workout. At the end at the last 10 seconds of every minute you do double jumps. >> Oh wow. >> Okay. So first off I dare you to jump for 15 minutes with a weighted jump rope. You're going to die. Second off, the double jumps for the last 10 seconds at the end of every every every uh minute gets you shredded in your whole body and you're doing cardio. After that, you start your workout, like your actual workout. And so, like, to me, it's an easy way to both shred and get cardio, burn a ton of calories. You you're accomplishing a lot and working a lot of your body just just jumping rope. And you can do it wherever. And then obviously post-workout. So, prime shake yet again is another prime product. What's your macros? >> Looks I don't count them. >> Do you just generally try to eat like low calorie, high protein? >> Uh, >> like when's the last time you had like fast food? >> Probably the other day at the FBO we had some McDonald's hash brown. >> Stay so lean though, year round. >> A my metabolism and my genetics are like >> genetics are pretty important, bro. And like I I have really good genetics and a crazy metabolism. Like I was the skinny kid and the small kid in high school. Then I hit puberty and like filled out. >> Um, so my metabolism was crazy, >> but I would say >> I feel like intermittent fasting has a little something to do with it. >> I generally don't eat a full meal until about 3 to 5 p.m. That's when I eat breakfast. >> And then, like I said, I'm also religious about recovery. >> And what's your workout split look like? Or is there any specific workout that has worked incredibly well for you that people don't do? >> I mean, yeah, it' be it would be the jump rope. >> Okay. >> Jump rope. And then and then I'll I'll alternate what I'm doing each day um based on like specific parts of my my body. >> What do you think is the most underdeveloped muscle in your physique? >> Probably my legs. >> It's always calves for me. Those are tough. When have you ever worked out your calves? I just did the other the other week. We got a new equipment at the gym. >> Okay. Aside from that, >> yeah, but I stopped doing it because I never saw results for calves. >> It's tough ever. And I was like, why am I spending time on this one? Your calves look the same >> cuz I jump rope. >> I jump rope, bro. Think I think it's all just calf, calf, calf, calf, jump rope. You know how many times I jump rope, bro? >> I've been jump roping for five years straight. Then you add that weight to jump rope and you just go nuts. >> What do you listen to when you're jump roping? >> I I'm not incredibly particular. Dina's a great DJ. She has a dope EDM playlist. I like EDM cuz it's a good tempo. And then I'm down one of these 18 plus Prime Energy. >> Go work out with some EDM >> sneakers at the gym. >> Add that. >> I'm only half and I feel pretty locked in. >> Yeah. >> Do you looks max? >> No, I don't look looks max. Looks maxing is interesting. It's It's interesting. >> Do you like look maxing? I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. I feel like if people want to look smack, like go for it. Like anything to make you feel comfortable in your own skin. >> Would you lose your current physique for $100 million? >> Yeah. >> And then just get right back into shape. >> Yeah. >> But let's say you could only be out of shape. >> No. No. I'm already I already have some genetic dispositions that um concern me specifically with my heart that run in the family. And so like I have to I have to be health conscious like bro again 30 years old get a clearly scan on your heart see like some of my arteries have like 20% buildup bro what's your cholesterol >> it's not high >> it's not what's causing the plaque >> genetics I think that's what I was told >> cuz usually that shows up with high particles and cholesterol if you do like a blood work >> cuz I have the same thing and I've been bringing it down with omega-3s >> I take omega-3s Okay. >> Yeah. >> What's the best piece of content you've ever made? >> It's got to be my Pokemon content. >> The best piece of content. >> You've been making content for so long. >> The 99 our 99 originals was >> spectacular if I do say so myself. It's definitely my proudest accomplishment in content, but I think the best would be Pokemon related stuff. And I only say that cuz I just went back to watch it recently. Um cuz I'm scripting this next quest that I'm on and >> I was watching it and I was like, "Bro, this >> content is incredible." Like, I don't know when the last time you guys have watched that that those Pokémon videos. Um like like pursuing the Pikachu Illustrator or buying the $200,000 first edition. It's really good if I do say so myself. Um yeah, I don't know how anyone can watch it and be like, "This sucks." And I think that's why it has so many views. I remember when I posted being like, "Why does this have so many views?" And I watch back now. I'm like, "Oh, it deserves 10 million views. This is incredible." >> Yeah, they're really good videos. Thank you. How often have you gotten scammed when buying cards? Cuz I saw that one Pikachu Illustrator and you you peel it off. Was that real? Was that like an actual scam or did you find one of these cards? >> That was real. I did not have a lot of conviction that it was a real card cuz it was like some kid in the area who was like, "Yeah, I found this like found this card." And I'm my guess is that he was the one who printed printed it out and it didn't entirely look real. And I threw him I threw him a couple thousand dollars cuz he was like, "Yeah, dude. Just keep it." And I'm like, [sighs and gasps] "This probably isn't real, but I don't know how he made it." And then I got home and I was eating [sighs and gasps] I think it was pasta. You can see in the bowl in that video. He was eating pasta and I was like, "Oh my god, this is a sticker." >> So, bro, I take this fake Pikachu illustrator. I see that it's a sticker. I peel it off and then in anger I punch through the window. I punch through the window and sever my wrist and end up spending the night in the hospital 2 miles down the street. I get discharged from the hospital at 4:00 a.m. And I'm like, you know what? You sleep in the bed you make. I'm the who punched through a glass window in my house for stupid ass video. I'mma walk home. So, I got real humbled at 4:00 a.m. walking home, bandaged up. And by the way, >> wow. >> Wrist brother, I thought I thought I was going to die. >> I I run upstairs to to Mike Mike's room. It was It was I think he was streaming, by the way. >> Yeah. >> I'm like, "Bro, >> you got to take me to the hospital, bro. Like, this is I hate to interrupt, but I think this is serious. I'm bleeding out on my wrist, dude." Right on that vein as well. >> Gosh. >> From a fake Pokemon card. >> Why hit the window? Why do that? I thought it was funny. I thought it was I thought it would be funny if I was like I was like I'm pretty sure this card is fake. I think it's peeling. I'm going to make a video and punch through this window. It's funny the lessons you learn from doing stupid. >> I remember that though. It got my attention cuz I think you were eating cereal as you were doing. >> Maybe it was cereal. >> On the topic of philosophy, I'm really fascinated by your mentality because like we addressed it seems like regardless of whatever's happening, you're able to persevere. Why is it that you think so many people have a victim mindset? And obviously, we don't need even need to like address why having a victim mindset is bad. It just defers blame to everything else. So, you take no responsibility and no one will fix your life. Only you can do that. So, you need to accept responsibility for your life. >> I mean, you're you're saying it, but there's nothing >> Why do people Why is it so pervasive? There's nothing like revvelatory here that I'm going to say that like you guys probably don't know or haven't said yourselves, but I think a lot of people are like generally unhappy even if they don't know it. I think there's potentially like deep feelings of inadequacy and the only way to make themselves feel better is to pretend that everything is happening to them. The world is happening at them. life is life is serving them up the situation versus becoming an adult and grabbing this by the horns and taking charge of your own life. It's my daughter. Um she's having fun. Uh like it's it's it's it's difficult to like manifest your reality and go do things and find motivation or do like do things that compel you. And I think it's easy to place blame on other people and make yourself uh a victim of life. It's it's easy, bro. Like you feel like about your life, go on YouTube, bro, leave a hate comment. You know how many hate comments I've left? How many? >> One to who? >> I don't know. I was 12 years old. I was 12 years old. And I went to go leave a hate comment on a video and I pressed a post. I pressed post. And I remember as a 12-year-old thinking, "Holy, I'm a hater. This is crazy. Why Why did I do that? What's What is wrong with me?" Like, why? But, you know, that person could have read that video or my comment and been like, "Holy." >> Yeah. L Dog and J Slice thinks I'm a loser. If you were to give one piece of wisdom to the viewer right now, probably an 18 to 35year-old male. >> 97% 97% chance it is. Unfortunately, the 2% 3% of that's a woman. >> Yeah. >> If you are the 2 to 3%, by the way, please comment. Please let us know. It helps. >> Mike does this with his viewers. They're called the 7%. >> The 7%. Yeah. Yeah. >> What would you say to these people? Maybe they're dissatisfied with where they're at in life. >> I kind of said this earlier, but my number one advice would be [gasps] do your best to get some discipline. like try to structure some discipline in your life and perhaps writing down your goals would help with that. It certainly helped me becoming goal oriented because if if you know what you're trying to achieve and bro I'm saying this can be the smallest thing. It doesn't matter. Make your bed every morning. Make that a goal. I don't care. I like start small. You don't climb a mountain in one step. You start with one step. You don't eat an elephant in one bite. I don't know why you'd be eating an elephant, but it's like a saying. >> Yeah. >> And so, like, start small. Stop comparing yourself to other people and find the thing that makes you tick. I truly believe this. Um, you'll have celebrities and influencers and motivational speakers tell you like, you could do whatever you put your mind to. you know, we're all we're like everyone's made equal. Like you can do it. That's I'm going to be honest with you, that's not true. And I know that cuz I've tried to do things that like I work hard. I work really hard and I will immerse myself in a project or an endeavor and just go allin. And I found that no, no matter how allin you go, even if you go so hard, you want it to work out so bad, sometimes it just doesn't work out. it doesn't work out. That it's happened to me before. And so like that like, yeah, just work hard, you'll win no matter what, doesn't always apply. What I think can apply is finding what makes you tick. Find out the thing that makes you want to get out of bed every morning, even if it's something that you don't even consider for one second could be like a viable business opportunity. Cuz if you do what you love every day, you'll never have to work a day in your life. It is so cliche. It is so true. And I don't care if it's bro collecting Prime bottles there. Like for example, there's a guy on YouTube who loves collecting Prime bottles. Prime Creations. He's got like hundreds of thousands of followers and you know, God willing, this becomes a a crazy brand one day and well, I guess it already is, but like you know, a legacy brand one day, which is a goal of ours. And like, you know, his his collection is going to be worth a lot of money. it like the things that interest you, there is someone else out there who it interests. And so like what I do believe is everyone does have something special in them that they can exploit and work hard to maximize, but you have to find it. And you will find it by going out and doing and having hard conversations and um looking inwards and and meditate uh pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone, but like it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable, but like hopefully you find it. I found professional wrestling at 27 years old. I was 27 years old and I found the thing that I truly believe I was born to do. 27 years, which I still think is incredibly early. Mhm. >> No, that this could be hyped, >> honestly. Yeah, that that sounded like you could have recited that from something else. I mean, that was phenomenal. >> You know what I love? A lot of the people that we bring on to the show, obviously, we've spoken to so many impressive people. Most people that are very impressive have came across a lot of failure. And if you're lucky, failure will then result into you rounding out your personality more. If you're unlucky, then failure can turn you bitter and displeased with life. And it's kind of your response to failure will determine if you become successful or a real failure. >> Cuz if you're >> if you're the right type of person, a failure will become a learning experience, which will then result in more successes. So I see you as someone who has came up against a lot of failure in your life. But every single time you've utilized it in the proper way, like you did the right thing. you did the thing that rounds out your personality that lets you learn from it to then hopefully lead to more successes than failures. But a failure to you is just an opportunity to grow, which I know is super cliche and cheesy once again. Um, but it seems like your personality is like in incredibly rounded out, way different than uh than what I would have thought. And obviously I had the pleasure of being able to sit across from you and ask you questions. A lot of people obviously will not get this opportunity and they're going to continue to have their beliefs about you through the computer screen. Um, but I am basically 100% confident if they had the opportunity to sit across from you and just have a conversation with you like manto man, >> manto man, then they would come to the same conclusion. >> I want to ask you something. >> I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Why did you do the podcast? Why come on here? >> Your guy. >> Yeah. Because you didn't you didn't have to do this. >> A I know we've been talking about it for a while. Yeah. >> There's a bit of persistence on your end that is admirable. >> We're good at that. >> It goes a long way, guys. Yeah, >> cuz a I I said it when we first hopped on. I respect your work. I like you guys as interviewers. I see the types of questions you're asking and like I I've found we've had a rich conversation although it's been me talking most of the time, but like I think you can I think you're good at getting the best out of people or at least like a good version of people out of themselves. Um and so a I respect the platform and I I'm grateful for the opportunity to come on it. Um, and then B, you're persistent. I also thought that following this illustrator sale, like we kind of have something to talk about. It's it's I I I'll do things sort of if there's if I find that there's like material. >> Sure. >> I think the illustrator sale is interesting. I think there's a lot of FOD happening. Um, and so like it was nice to talk about it. Yeah. >> No, we I really appreciate it. Like to have this opportunity for us to is massive. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Thanks, guys. Because I remember when I started making YouTube videos in 2016 and at that time you were the one that was really doing like major things and I don't know if you remember this we actually met I think it was 2015 it might have been at 24-hour fitness on Hollywood Boulevard. >> Holy no way. >> Yeah. >> No way. I went there for a very short amount of time. That's where I met George. >> Really? >> We could have been the best friends. >> Wow. >> It's where I met George. >> That's crazy. >> That is crazy. What do we say? What was the conversation? I think I just went up there and said, "Hey, man. I enjoy your videos." And you were like, "Oh, thanks, bro. Thanks. Really appreciate that." Like you you were nice, but you were also like in between sets and I didn't want to like bug you. I'm like, "Oh, great meeting you, man. See you around." >> George said he liked my vines and then uh he just bothered me in between all the sets and then this persist, but he's funny. So, I changed numbers and we became best friends. >> See, I'm so aware of people that I just don't want to bother people. Like even texting people sometimes like, "Oh, Jack, I don't want to bother these people." But I found it sometimes that like I should be sending these texts. >> It's fair. I I'll tell you I'm uh I am one two three four unresponded messages deep with Palmer Lucky. >> That's happens. It's pretty bad. >> So wait, he's texted you or you've texted him? >> I've texted him four times with no response. >> I'm sure he's a busy guy. >> He's a very busy guy. Yeah, >> he's running a few real big companies. But like but like >> but yeah, I wouldn't be offended by that. I'd be like, "All right, now the occasional I'll I'll get the occasional like >> unrelated text back about something random and it's almost like those four didn't happen. So, I'm like I've come to accept that like that's the relationship. He's doing a lot of things. Um >> and that's fine, bro. Like persistence is a is a is valuable and it can go a long way. >> Well, we have some rapid fire questions to ask you here to end this out. >> First, starting it off, it's a few you or Jake questions. Okay. [laughter] >> Who has the best song? You or Jake? >> Jake. >> Who has more money? You or Jake? >> Jake. >> Who wins in a fight? You or Jake? >> Boxing or MMA? >> Boxing. >> Jake. >> MMA. >> Me. >> Who has a better hairline? You or Jake? >> Me. [laughter] >> Can we see it? >> Can we see the >> It's not That's not bad. >> It's not horrible. >> No. Well, you would think that if you keep it kind of like covering up your forehead that it would be >> it's not horrible. >> It would be higher. >> I'm I'm looking forward to the day that uh we buzz it off and I enter my Jeff Bezos era. >> Why Why wouldn't you just do a hair transplant? >> Like uh >> go to Turkey. >> Go to Turkey. >> Yeah. >> Looks Max. >> I've uh I've heard that the Turkey uh hair transplant doesn't always work. >> Well, it doesn't have to be Turkey. I mean, there there's some really great doctors in the United States. You probably have the money to I could get it done. >> Hair loss at this point can be cured and solved. >> Yeah. You think we're there >> for the Yeah, visually. >> Yeah, good shout. >> Okay, >> let me know if you know a guy. Actually, I do know a guy. I do know a guy >> who's apparently very good. I'll get it done. >> Who are the Mount Rushmore of social media? >> Mount Rushmore of social media. >> Top four like made the biggest impact. Speed Mr. Beast. >> Yeah, I was about to say Casey Neist has to be on there. >> I love KZ, but he's not for me. >> Okay. >> I love KZ. >> It's got to be a vlogger. You or David Doberg? >> Smosh. >> Yeah, >> that's a good one. >> Smosh. For sure. >> Maybe. >> Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Just not only not because like It seems like those like OG V1 YouTubers kind of like gave up or something. Like there there's an argument for like Jenna Marbles in there, >> you know? But I don't I don't know because I don't know if they're still going. Like Smash is still going and like Anthony and Ian, you'll see them pop up here and there and >> it's hard to pivot after a certain time. It's really >> and it's mentally draining to keep it going for 10 years plus and your audience grows up >> and it's hard to keep capturing that same thing. >> Yeah. You got to adapt. Yeah, >> man. I don't I don't even know. Um, like there's an argument for Roman Atwood. Even even I would I would say I would I would lowkey say there's an argument for Mark Robber as well. >> Yeah, that's a good point. >> Like, bro, Mark makes some bangers that are really unique. Bro, when I seen those squirrels going through that obstacle course, I was like, who the is doing this? Yeah, I'll say Mark. Yeah, Mark. Mark, Smosh, Mr. Beast, and Speed. it. >> Who had better vlogs? You or David Dori. >> Overall, David in the co era. Me. >> Who's the most Oh, go ahead. >> I was going to say my I'm proud of my co era vlogs. >> Those are good. >> Thanks. Yeah, those are fun. >> Who's the most famous person in your phone? >> Probably probably The Rock or Kevin Hart. >> Do you text them frequently or No, >> not frequently. I don't want to bother them. [laughter] >> Yeah, I do. They're probably like, "Why does Logan never tell you? He must not like us." >> Yeah. Know. Or or or or Tom Brady, who's very responsive and and just a great guy. He's awesome. >> That's wild. When's the last time [clears throat] you were in a grocery store? >> Probably like a couple months ago. We took Esme to the grocery store. But >> you can't go into grocery stores? >> Yeah, I go to grocery stores. Yeah, cuz my wife likes to shop and um she's she's a pretty good cook. And we found out like we're taking advantage of the section where you can put the baby so they face you when you push the car. When you have a kid, it's it's it's different cuz they're having so much fun. They're sitting there. You give them something to play with. >> What's the most you've ever spent on a first date? >> On a first date? >> Oh, man. Man, I don't know. probably nothing crazy cuz I I I I like maybe just like a nice dinner or something cuz I cuz I do think like I think there's something to be said about providing too much monetary value on like a first date. Like if a girl knows you have money, you got to expect that like how can we know what her intentions are? So, if you go to like McDonald's or something and they're still cool with it, like it's kind of a plus cuz I don't know, maybe they can just like kick around and have a fun time without having to go to like a fivestar restaurant. I don't know. >> Who's the smartest person you know? >> Probably my partner in prime. >> Are you still going to run for president at 35? >> I think I've kind of changed my tune on that at the moment. I think about it here and there and like people are listening to this and probably think it's ridiculous, but I think like both my brother and I have proven and just the world itself has proven that like kind of anything can happen and if you have the drive and like wherewithal to pursue something, I think I could definitely make a good run at president. The issues that I'm having right now with that is one, um, I feel like it's a really hard job. >> It's an impossible job. >> Like I feel like it's really difficult and a lot of energy and work. I have a bit of an energy problem. Like I started this podcast saying I'm always tired. Like I'm I I get tired. Like I I'd like to sleep 8 to nine hours a night. I don't think a president can do that. We'll see what happens. Um, moreover, the other thing I'm running into is that I think at least now my ego would have a tough time serving people, at least 50% of people who hate you. You know that, right? Like your president, half of the country hates you. If you're lucky, 25 to 30% of them >> and trying to actively you too at the same >> Oh, and trying and trying to you, bro. Oh, oh, oh. Don't even get me started on the methods of assassination that are going to happen. Wait till they have drones this big, bro. And they can just mosquito fly a drone from 50 miles away into your head. >> Have you seen this China robots? >> Yeah, bro. They're both presidents are going to have to give speeches in drone proof bunkers >> glass little like boxes. It's going to be horrible. But like, yeah, I think like um I would have a problem knowing I'm giving I'm giving my all to try to make this country and its people the best that we possibly can and half of them want you to die and do not agree with your position. That's tough. That that's that's tough, bro. >> Eventually, I think we're going to have an AI president >> one,000%. And if the president is AI is is not AI, they will be told exactly what to do and say by AI. >> Yeah, >> bro. That's not saving. It's it is >> 100%. >> Everything is just going to be automated. >> 100%. >> Bro, they're going to be able to to to do the job better than anyone. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> What's your most insecure physical feature? [snorts] >> It used to be my acne. I had very bad acne. And then it used to be I think probably like my hair like my hairline. Um but like I think I've just gone through enough and like accomplished enough and made enough money to like stop giving a like bro look how I look. Or or maybe it's just being 30 years old. Like I look how I look. This is the best I got, bro. Like what what can I do? >> Are you happier than the average person? >> I think so. >> Yeah. What's the most you've made in a single day? It was the other day. >> It was the Pokemon illustrator. >> Well, beyond that. >> No, no, not that. >> But, but but but that's kind of tough cuz none of these things are like none of these things. >> Yeah. It was a big buildup. >> They have they have massive buildups. >> Yeah. Um, everyone knows I made I made I made Maverick me uh Maverick merchandise made $3 million in three days. We made a million a day, which was insane. But like but like are you talking about like get a check cut to you on this day? >> I mean Floyd Mayweather. >> No, I didn't make as much money as you think fighting. >> Did you get Did you get paid from that? >> He still owes me a million and a half, >> maybe more. >> How does he owe you the money? Why don't you just like >> Here's what happened. He pre-sold the fight using my likeness to some company in I think Dubai or like the Middle East. This is my understanding of it for $10 million cash. >> We ended up doing the fight in the States with a different company. >> That is the company that put on the fight. That is the company that paid. >> But he sold our fight with my name and likeness to someone else in Dubai for $10 million cash. It's our fight, bro. Our deal was 15%. He smoked me. So I got 15% of it. 15% of $10 million is $1.5 million. >> That company uh that uh paid him that money is suing him. I actually don't know the status status on that lawsuit. I should check in because he still owes me money, but he has a bunch of legal trouble at the moment. I don't I'm I don't think I'm ever getting the money. >> He just sold this house in Vegas. >> Is he really? I think Yeah, he's he's facing rinsed on that house. He started at $14 million. He custom built a house, by the way, in like 2006. Started at 14, reduced to 12, >> 10, eight came on the market, and I was >> It was a lot of house for eight. >> Yeah. >> So, for 6.6, >> he really got >> just the cost to build that house was 9 or 10. >> Wa, he got rinsed. >> Yeah. >> God damn. >> It was huge. >> God damn. >> Who would win in a fight? You or 100 g? probably 100 grams. 100 grams. It's a lot of people, bro. It's like It's like the one silverback versus 100 guys, bro. Silverback doesn't stand a chance. >> Silverback's getting comfortable, bro. 100 grams is a lot. >> Crush it. >> I could probably take >> Yeah, I could take out, bro. No joke. I could probably take out between four and eight of you. [laughter] >> Dude, that's so impressive. Do you feel offended by that at all or you just >> No, I What? Objectively, I think it's probably true. >> Maybe nine would be two. Nine. He'd have two people on each legact and you'd be like you'd be down, one on your head. >> Yeah. I can only give so many one shots. Like I would have to be really fluid with my motion. No wasted movement. Not a single percentage of wasted movement. And one shot him. Just jaw, body, jaw, body. >> There's no way we surround you. There's You would throw a shot. Then >> what I would do in a surrounding situation is break the wall in one portion. I'd have to I'd have to break the wall then fight from behind. I can't allow myself to get flanked. Yeah, I can't I cannot get flanked. >> You You guys would smoke me though. [laughter] >> How how are you are you guys prepared for the influx of hate comments that are coming on this video and social media? >> We can't believe you would sit down with this guy. >> You know what's so funny, dude? I get all the hate. Jack gets nothing anytime. I mean, I do get hate. It's But no, it's never Jack. It's always like, "I can't believe Graham would do this." It's 50/50, Jack. And I Jack gets off clean. And I say Jack is the best thing because we split this 50/50, but I get >> 99% of the hate. 99% of the backlash is me, even though we're 5050 person. >> That's fascinating. >> They've Well, he has a huge personal brand outside of the ice coffee hour. >> Okay. Yeah. So, that's that that's definitely why. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> Yeah. But the >> I just get to say I'm just an assistant. Yeah. >> Yeah. Anytime something goes bad, check the assistant and I don't like are you prepared, bro? Like, >> is it going to be that bad? I don't think it's going to be. >> I mean, people are going to be like, "Why didn't you ask these certain questions?" To me, at the end of the day, it does not matter. Like, as much as I do love making great money and running this p business, this podcast, the objective of the podcast is to not make as much money as possible. That is not it. The objective of the podcast is to scratch the curiosity itch that, you know, we've had for so long to talk to people that we want to talk to. For me, that's all I could ever ask for. So, look, if we get hate, so be it. That's fine. I try not to be bothered by it. You know, being online for as long as we have. Like, at a certain point, like you said, hate will just be a byproduct of being online. So, and Graham said, "Yeah, Jack doesn't get I do get hate sometimes. Don't discount me." That's a little bit of hate right there coming. [laughter] No, but I to me it stopped bothering me for the most part once I saw just like how ridiculous it is. >> Yeah. Well, it get Yeah, it gets it gets crazy, bro. >> Final question. Who had the best verse in It's Everyday Bro. >> Yeah. Had to be Nick Crompton. >> That's what I've been saying all these years. I agree. That is what I've been saying all these years. >> Yeah. Okay, boys. >> Logan, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee. This means the world to us. Thank you guys all for watching. Flew all the way to Puerto Rico to make this happen. He invited us into his home. So kind, so generous. Also >> prov they provided me with an amazing breakfast. >> Yes, >> these are delicious. Go get some. >> Bang. >> Thank you all for watching. Till next time. Yes. Thanks, guys.