“It’ll Be A Bloodbath” - Reacting To Trump vs Biden Debate

the most important thing that's going to happen over the next month and a bit uh Biden Trump debate I I didn't think it was going to happen at all um we'll see if it does I'm still not are you still unsure that it's actually going to go ahead well if they allow for mik cutting which is what the Biden Camp wants I don't know why Trump would accept that if it does happen it's going to be a blood bath like Trump will win for sure uh Biden has not even appeared on a friendly interview for longer than 30 minutes or something and I've never I mean could can you imagine him sitting down for two hours or three hours in front of Rogan or something it's not possible um I don't know how he's going to go head-to-head with Trump who is one of the most successful short form like television Warriors in the history of the medium he's really good at it um the good news for Biden is if he somehow survives it it'll be a huge Boon to him but he probably won't um and until now but I guess I should say until now saying nothing is only helped Trump so I think Biden's just in a rough spot where he has to do he has sort of chice okay when you're a declining stock you need to do something to reverse it even if that thing is quite high risk he's on a failure course right now now um is that what your prediction would be if if there's basically no change by the Democrats that you're looking at Republican victory in November yeah I think it's like a smash Victory I it's like a huge huge Victory so they need to do something I think a big part of it is immigration a big part of his inflation I think those things are weirdly linked um not the immigration is not causing the inflation I think the immigration is being used to sort of like stem the inflation immigration even if it's Mass illegal immigration has positive effects on the numbers in the economy that you point to to say our economy is doing well um it's just like it has all of these other effects that for whatever reason economists don't seem to care about like the dissolution of our [ __ ] culture in America and uh the simple law of supply and demand that affects more poor middle class people than rich people with desk jobs uh when you're talking about Mass low-skilled immigration um people are furious people have always been Furious but also it's never even been this bad before to have think about 10 million illegal immigrants in your country of 330 million that's what 3% that is an enormous population of people who broke a law to get here and people are mad across demographics so the big story I think of the next election is going to be the black vote specifically the black male vote which is has never been trumpier and has never been Republican Trump what's driving that immigration I think it's entirely immigration I think that I mean you look at Chicago videos out of Chicago and the effects of illegal immigration in Chicago and you look at those meetings those Community meetings where people are coming to yell it's black people it's all black people it's black neighborhoods where this is happening um it's it's black people who are already having a struggling lower class black people who are already struggling on on work for whatever you could say it's unfounded you could say it's founded but certainly the blame is being placed on illegal immigration and no one is stupid enough to believe that that's not Biden's fault so it's like this election will be a referendum on that more than anything and then inflation and Biden sucks at both and so what is left the wars who cares about them really not many people other than like reflexively wish we weren't at them um but certainly Biden has gotten us into them right like Ukraine happens on Biden's watch Israel happens on Biden's watch We're somehow really woven into both I saw this crazy um it was funny but Darkly funny meme uh on Instagram it was the Iron Dome stopping a bunch of rockets so you saw these Rockets coming up and hitting all these other Rockets and the meme just said like my tax dollar is paying for this the Iron Dome and then up here on the top my tax dollar somehow also paying for this and that's like so that's like number three it'll be like that's order number three of things that we care about and then it's just the fun culture War [ __ ] which um Aban debate what about row I don't know I don't have a sense of how much people really care about this it seemed to matter in the last election I think Americans are more divided on it than people like to believe but is it more important than the immigration stuff and the inflation stuff to people I don't think so um I guess we'll see yeah I don't know about that one what about you what do you think that's a really tough one to work out as well I think about it think about it that much but I think about it a good bit and uh I think most people don't know their position very thoroughly on it like if you really really quiz people hard a sufficiently good argument can usually begin to SW ah yeah well you know you kind of sort of right on that thing a little bit uh it's one of the few debates or one of the few discussions where every time like I hear a Shapiro right do his thing and he breaks down Life Begins it's not AB bundle of cell blah blah blah and I go [ __ ] hell that sounds pretty compelling and then I hear someone who's like super pro-choice give that argument I go [ __ ] hell that's super compelling I'm like I I I don't know I've just been like legitimately like actually gastate by both sides and now I believe both at the same time I don't [ __ ] know that's America has been like this on roie Wade and abortion in general forever it's never never moved it's always close to 50% on both sides um there's no other issue that I can think of like that in in history um it's just always hotly divided and and so separate from the question of whether roie Wade was a good law and I think it was not or good a good ruling and I think it was not uh there's the question of what should be done and that's more complicated and what the the real answer here is you want something codified you want to codify a law in rather than judge on something in a stupid way that doesn't make any sense and everybody knows is not correct um where you with the the judicial branch essentially creates a law for you uh you want our legislators to legislate and create something but they can't agree I think probably what makes the most sense is something closer to what you're I don't want to wait into I'm pro-choice within reason like I have all sorts of caveats like everybody else I think that I agree with you that most people don't fully know what they think about this it just makes them uncomfortable and they don't want to have to think about it but there are a handful of people who care about it a lot in this election do they do they punish Trump for it can they punish Trump for it I don't know I know that a lot of people I know a lot more people who talk about immigration I see a lot more people talking I don't see people talking about uh about roie Wade really suppose the yeah the timing of it you're just recency bias and people's attention span is so short that right now immigration immigration bid would have to make a promise for some sort of law to be codified and if he did that he would lose a lot of people and gain some people right because wherever he drew the line of where abortion would not be allowed right no one wants pre no one wants an abortion a day before before birth right we could just start there so there are some who do some very radical people who want that and will never let go of it and those people are the ones who run the organizations that are pro that are pro-choice uh the average American doesn't the average left-wing person doesn't the average pro-abortion person doesn't but the people who run [ __ ] do so Biden has to draw a line somewhere if he's going to float legislation and once he does that he gives a huge attack space for Trump to come in and be like this man wants to kill babies and um and so it's like no one's really incentivized to propose a law in the middle of an election that is already hard to win especially not a Democrat so it's going to be hard it'll be hard for both of them but like you can either punish Trump for roie Wade um that's one thing but there's not a really clear alternative there's not like if I vote for this person I'm going to get what I want it's just how viscerally people are affected by this as well you know it doesn't it abortion by definition is an individual impact whereas something something like economy inflation immigration those things are much more scaton and they're felt by people uh on M there's waves of it that occur like literally right there's waves of it that occur and I think that that galvanizes people in a different sort of way but it dude it's I mean that debate my God uh here's one thing that I have noticed though Trump is way less in the news like I just don't see you think about the buildup to the last two elections and it was everywhere I'm like where the [ __ ] is he because he's not on Twitter like what's going on I just don't see huge part of it part I mean part of it was there was no primary because he didn't have to have a primary because he was going to win so he stayed out of it and then part of it is he's not on Twitter and there are less people on no one's really on his Network and there are there media people are still on Twitter so if he was on Twitter media people would still at least see what he's he's tweeting he would feel more sort of present in their brains they would at least be more anxious about it and be writing more about it um and then part of it is Biden's just not real like I think Democrats are really embarrassed of him so no one's while people really hate Trump on the left they the average person on the left is not excited about Biden they're like this feels a little bit criminal that we're trying to float someone who's totally scile what do you think that people on the right think an equivalent side they probably really don't like Biden but do they really like Trump there are people who love Trump in a way that no president has been loved in our lifetime like and it's a non-trivial fraction of the right people who [ __ ] love him who would do anything for him and uh that's not a majority of the right that's a good huge chunk of a base that really really really devoutly loves him um and then you have a lot of people who are fine with him and then you have a lot of people who didn't vote for him but might now because they and they're they have a bunch of different reasons some are talking about the wars some are talking about the economy some are talking about immig um you had all sorts of weird own goals on the left so the way that Warren went after cryptocurrency for example there are a lot of people with exposure to cryptocurrency who are like who is this [ __ ] coming after my Bitcoin and why does she think that she's able to do that that's insane um there are all sorts of tax gains proposals and wealth tax proposals which hit the rich who fuel a lot of the money behind these different Grassroots campaigns Grassroots campaigns um you you also have four years of incompetency from Biden I think on a range of things but specifically I think foreign policy has been pretty bad if you're voting for a guy who you think is going to make things calm and return us to Norms and then he tries to put the front runner president in prison and is now fighting two Wars abroad like that is not what you asked for and um it's like even if he wasn't scile it would be a hard sell at this point I think um but he's all of those things and he's scile so it's there like separate from the left he's just tolerating him I think a lot of people on the right are like Trump's a lot of people in the middle I think are thinking well Trump's better than that and we know what Trump is no matter what people say about Trump being uh you know fascist dictator and blah blah blah at the end of the day we had four years of trump so we know roughly what that feels like just like we've had four years of Biden this is the first election like that we've ever had where we actually know exactly what a president feels in both directions so that we've by we I don't mean America I mean we alive right now um have never experienced this before so it's you can't really say you can't there's no fear of the uncertainty here there might be fear but it's not of the uncertainty which fuels I think a lot of what happens in most elections this episode is brought to you by element stop having coffee first thing in the morning you're a Denine system that caffeine acts on isn't even active for the first 90 minutes of the day but your adrenal system is and salt act on your adrenal system element contains a sence backed electrolyte ratio of sodium potassium and magnesium with 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