Is Youth Unemployment the main cause of goonism in Political rallies?

All right, good morning. Hello there. Thank you so much for staying with us. Welcome back. You're still watching # Y in the morning and I promise you if you missed anything, you will find it on our social media platforms including YouTube at Y254 channel on the hashtag which is still in the morning. My good name is Bran Sako at Bran Sako101. Now in this conversation which is the last part of the show we are delving into matters youth and current affairs. What are the where are the voices that should be shaping the next phase or the next crop of leadership that we should be having in our country especially specifically when it comes to youthful voices from policy to matters uh inclusivity advocacy and so much more. And joining me to help me debunk and expand this conversation I'm being joined live in studio by Rodri Charalo. He's a political commentator and a journalist as well. Great to meet you, uh, Rodri as well. >> Right. So, let's kick start off with what's currently happening in the country. A lot is going on. I remember in my intro with my course, the one and only gems who just left the segment a while ago. We talked about Goonism culture. Uh, what happened yesterday, I think Linda Moni was quite a positive picture. Uh, the Jakaranda rally. Uh, they had a convergence at All Saints Cathedral and then they proceeded to Jakaranda. before that uh just several days I think it was in the previous weekend with what happened in Embu and it's still the discussion of the day especially when it comes to matters politics what is going on what do you believe are the forces that are behind young people being taken advantage of by politicians and then being used as political dummies they're being put on the front line to disrupt these political rallies and then what usually happens next is somebody has been shot and killed and that's somebody's brother that's somebody's child. What do you believe is the force behind all this mayhem in the country? >> I would say uh over the weekend there's a lot which happened um in Hebrew first of all and uh we also saw another incident in where Colog was involved in Garisa. I think this is not really right uh to see youth being used um by politician. I think we have a force ever since we had the Gen Z movement there that force really up and I think this force should be used not to um cause mayhem or or rather chaos but for the benefit of future of this country because youth are really energetic. >> Yeah. So in my view I don't think this really um it's really a good thing for us to to be used by this politician. >> Yeah. to to to maybe I I would say it's for their own interests, these politicians, >> right? Because um we as youth I even seen um this gentleman um the Cotto boss having some comments on Tifuna about um his issue with uh going for the presidency and uh I just tried to to to listen to to ati just to make it um sound really convincent with me but I didn't even get the point there because he was saying that has no experience in for this thing. >> He went ahead and said that um Tiff should should wait until the right time is is is there. I think this has been the conversation from the polit political class saying telling us we youth that we should wait until the right time. So I really want what's the right time for her to go for these seats. Mhm. >> I really say that it's a it's a it's a good thing um for me to see a lot of jinsies going ahead and um and and enhance um their interest in politics. I've seen Masimi Masai going for Kagadu. I've al seen um these um I don't know what she's calling herself, >> but she's going for Kimani at MCIT as well. >> I've seen several youths. So I think um it should not be for for the political class, >> right? But but also for us youths I think um the force we have and because I think this is the most educated generation we having. So I think what they should do >> is to go for those seats. It's not about using the gon and and just uh causing chaos whenever we having the political um rallies. I don't think it it really sits well with us as youths because >> for the hard um I would say they they are hard because the kind of political leaders we have they are really headed right >> when you see um some some MPs I won't even see whether they I would say they don't even fit because how they they they really um draft the leadership skills it will be all about the past not the present time. Okay, let me ask you if if still the there's they're saying there's enough opportunities for the youth. Yes. Then what is the breakdown? If these political rallies are happening on a daily and there's a prominency or there's a consistent pattern of massive groups of youth who end up infiltrating these political movements. It means there's breakdown somewhere. My question originally was what do you think is behind these young people? Is it because they're desperate for this opportunity to be paid or it's a moral issue or also maybe it's just an idol mind like they say an idol mind is you know the workshop of the devil. What do you think in terms of accountability as the youth ourselves live alone politicians and what they do cuz somebody wouldn't just pull you out of your house bro and call you to a rally to to disrupt it and throw hell stones and shout and cause chaos. There's definitely a breakdown behind >> it starts I believe from family setups too as well. >> Yeah. >> What do you think is the breakdown among the youth if we were to take accountability individually? >> I'd say first of all we really need civic education among the same. >> Okay. we really educate these young people on what really matters because um I think um we really want to to have a conversation with young people if I've seen such conversation honestly on social media um going around and um I would say one one of of of the influence is they are they are desperate because the high cost of living >> um it's really high and um the rates of inflation as well. Yeah. So that is really making things really hard for for us young people. >> So I would say that is one. But again, will you go for these 5,000 and elect a bad leader and wait until um this election period when they will come for for rallies and campaign for you for them to hand over the same amount >> with no development in your constituency. Mhm. [snorts] >> I would say we really need civic education on why we need good leaders. >> Yeah. >> If um we young people would really want certain person to be for instance uh our MP, we won't even need uh him to hand over any any any handout for us to to vote that person. >> Yeah, >> it would be I I don't even even find it really suit for Sifuna. It it is in my opinion that issue of uh getting some money from maybe those people who are really camping I would say yeah it will it will it will really add um it will ensure that um they are using the same amount for to cut the cost on what they are doing but again um I won't I I don't even see it really suiting because if we give you money >> I won't see it really really suiting any anywhere. Yeah, but let me ask you what also shocks me about this pattern is that the boy do that also communicate to send a signal especially when it comes to the upbringing of us the boy child cuz for a very long time and I'm not trying to take a shot or take a dick at anyone most of the empowerment that we've witnessed in the last I don't know how many years plus is always to cling to the guard child does that put uh the livelihood of the boy child at stake and that's why whenever ever there's any let's say when whenever some of these movements dangle goodies and I remember even with my co-presenter early in the morning there's a time we were talking about Kenyans being taken abroad to work and some of the promises are really striking and enticing but also the pattern even with the goodness in culture that already sends a signal right >> but you mentioned about the cost of living um what do you think maybe because from what they're confessing and they're saying they're saying they've been able to at least you know adjust the economy inflation has gone down by has gone down by a specific percentage and the believing we are on the trajectory to goodness when you look at the current livelihood of a Kenyan moni what is ailing an average Kenyan household in terms of some of the things that they're dealing with on a daily that you'd say if I were to look at it as what some of the factors are contributing to what the youth are going through this and this is happening in this household old. >> Okay. You first mentioning about uh why are we seeing boy childh in this go uh good thing I would say men are really endangered just from um togo the all that even uh we've seen even the women reps in our parliament just representing the girl child but but I would say yeah because at times yeah ladies will be considered as um I want I don't want to say inferior they they are really considered more whenever the empowerment programs are there but not for boy child. Um so we really endangered I would say so and um whenever you you you hear um any topic about drunk abuse it will still be a boy child. >> Mhm. >> Um we've had such conversations sometime back even um issues um Changai and all that. >> Yeah. they are all linked to to to boy child. Mhm. >> So I think uh they still we still need some civic uh education about the same. >> Yeah. >> We get to to to um to get more out from that that teach. >> Mhm. >> On a household. What do you think are some of the issues that are ailing uh the Kenyan youth right now? >> The economy cost of living is high but they're reporting the cost of living has gone down. I don't think so because first of all whenever you in the city like um I would say all over the country I don't say that the issue of the finance I saw there will be changes in terms of rent for the landlord and I saw rents yeah >> again um there should be inflation Mhm. >> What will happen to maybe eggs to go for 100 chillings because the rate of inflation >> and right now there's no milk on the shelves. I don't know where it has gone to. Yeah. I don't know if it's just me but in my area >> milk is almost costing almost 100 B. >> Yeah. I think it's a conversation actually on social media about it. >> Mhm. So I would say um the inflation first of all that is definitely inflation. >> So I think um there should be regulation on how these prices uh should be done because um for for boy child I think we supposed to to work hard for the family. winners definitely you talk and all that. So I think it has been a responsibility for boy child >> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. When you look at unemployment, I also believe the reason why the goonism culture is pro is very heavy or prominent. this young folks or this young boy child on a Kazzy and so if somebody picks you up with the call and says hey let's go to location so and so to where I'm sure somebody who has their own job they wouldn't be leaving their business over there even if it's a kiosk to go and participate in that but still on the contrary on the other side uh we have things like hustler fund which has publicly been talked about in terms of it empowering young SMMES. Uh the NEO program that issued up to I believe 50,000 Kenyan shillings to different young startups and individuals who actually applied for it. Uh is it NEO fund? Yeah. Etc. Plus many others despite all of these entities being there still unemployment is a crisis. >> What is going on? >> I don't think whether this government has really addressed the issue of uh employment. >> Why do you think so? Because we had the issue about affordable housing, right? >> I would say affordable housing maybe some time back maybe 5 years ago the same workers to work for you that time and that was it for the same construction. >> Yeah, we seen this affordable housing everywhere. Um yeah to say that after Kazi is for now young people will get that opportunity they'll work for for that uh thousand bob at 2,000 bob uh we see millers um doing very very very massive sales in terms of semen and all that for the economy but again in 5 years what will happen after these constructions >> we wanting these workers again right >> yeah and and you talked about um uh the issue of of of no tough fund and all that. Um I would say it's it's a nice initiative but there was um there was a time I heard that um it's an alleged I don't I'm not so sure whether it is it is it is really true but I heard that uh these are loans it will still be a burden to the taxpayer the issue of of fun and I don't know the truth but if that is the truth I I don't think whether we're in the right direction >> there will still be um tough economic crisis. Mhm. >> Whenever we these things are implemented uh through maybe the loans is a very nice nice initiative actually because if you have that 20,000 you'll have you'll make a living. >> Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. >> It is about that that loan it is about very many issues that the country has to run. >> Yeah. So I think >> okay >> the employment history isn't really addressed >> right but even previously before there's always been anyways yeah but I think there's been attempt so to say uh to give credit cuz when when some of these forums are being uh held you'd see young people come to the platform say oh I was suffering from this and these and then I was given this 50k and I started my theme blah blah blah blah blah yes there's testimonials too of that too as well I believe It's it's fair enough that we give credit but also as you pivot away from that uh Gen Z and Kenyan youth at large are very strong especially when it comes to making noise on social media. Uh when you look at how the first Gen Z movement began. Uh nobody ever met in person. They only met during the protests. um when you saw some of the faces that were headlining or being the front on the on the front line in terms of advocacies or advocating for their voices to be included and he had I think behind the scenes you talking about Kasmol or who at some point was here I think I interviewed him maybe a year and a half ago uh Morara Kbasu who possibly was some sort of you know a savior of some sorts >> uh Hanifha and the likes of the Joshua Cuo who I believe has stood his ground too as well. When you look at how youthful voices in our country can divert all the online noises to drumming up support for a let's say a physical a physical a youthful leader who could possibly go headtohead. If you observe it right now we have no one. Do we maybe have you seen anyone that you'd say from the likes of Morara and the rest who are making a lot of noise that time? What is the problem then? Are we just good at making social media noises? But when it comes to us being accountable, confronting someone that's when you know everybody goes called taki missing an action. I would say first of all it is about interest. >> Mhm. Um I would say kasmo really had tough situation those moments was running across the street during the gent movement. um that's the moment we saw very many people disappearing you know um sometimes you can hold the government to to to accountability >> but you need to to to watch what you're saying because the president is the symbol of national unity >> whenever you tarnish um the name of the president you can respect the presidency yeah if not the person because that is a symbol of national unity. >> Mhm. >> So I would say for for for for Casmo it was really a risky task. >> Mhm. for him to be uh all over the the streets addressing the media in a way that it's kind of tunishing the government and you know very well governmentity at times the national intelligence service really work so hard to ensure that um there's that cohesion um in a in a it is hard like we have that uh I on what it does it won't even sit very well. So I would say for for um he he really has to to cross the other side and I think >> you can't beat them join them. >> Yeah. And I think that was kind of I don't want to say it was a target for for for for the for the government but um that hit because this gentleman addressing the media quality issue for the government and for me. >> You think so? >> I think so. >> Hearing them sleepless nights. That's what you think. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because Kasm was really over >> he was a powerhouse. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> And and and he was even influential to a point that we even saw him hang around with um the the late right honorable. >> I think he retreated in that direction also for his safety though. >> Yeah. Yeah. For the safety. >> But the genesis saying he betrayed them. I think there was one of the newspapers that actually published a whole like on the splash on the front page. It was Kazmwell and uh the light uh prime minister the the splash was betrayers of Jenzi. >> Yes. >> So the Jenzi feel betrayed by Kasmill but here you're explaining it was his safety net that could have been possibly the end goal because he was a possible threat to the leadership at hand. >> Okay. I would say at times um you'd say that I know my right [snorts] >> but they have limitations. >> If at at a point you there in infiltrating the the the the peace maybe how we know the government then you should land into troubles because government has a way to limit your rights. There's a way you li your rights can be limited. the hours if it is really impacting um um because as I said governmental popularity >> yeah but let me ask you also what happens to these voices though we expected uh they be at the ban uh by now I think we having a conversation prior before uh in our intro with my co Costa Gems is it late or is it too early for somebody to be presented as person who's going headtohead but also I'm specifically looking at the Gen and the people who are very vocal on social >> where is a possible formidable force for them that would go headtohead even though you mentioned somebody you mentioned somebody Masai >> yeah masai >> yeah masi masai who's contesting I don't know for what s like why are we not having some of these young vocal voices at the front line they just disappeared into oblivion >> okay first of all I'll say for you to win a ticket >> Mhm. Um if it's not by nomination then you'll have to pay some some amount >> for you to get that ticket. >> Mhm. >> If it is not by the nominations and I think if even if you go for nominations the party nominations you give some amount. >> Yeah. We want to register too. >> Yeah. Yeah. You'll have to. So I think um that the young people to be really um that is one influence. It's a finance finance issue. >> Finance first. >> Again, uh I would say >> if you announce yourself as a as an opposition size as a young person, >> then you'll be just casual those times. >> Every moment you've been attacked, >> uh not even the government, but whoever you contesting against >> will be really trying to to bring you on board maybe to convince you. >> So I think um it doesn't sit well with me and just the other day that they'll do it for the for they will announce the the candidate maybe next year May around May >> cuz the moment they shed the announcement so I think >> yeah it would be better >> yeah but also why is there distance between the folks that are already been in politics that have been there for a hot minute and these young folks who want to join Um it looks like these are two different worlds that are not willing to coincide and like welcome these young folks on board. I remember there's a there's a lady she's contesting I think um in the Okani region. She was saying it's not easy to even be a part of their political rallies because first of all they're not even welcome. Yeah. Uh once you say you're a Gen Z, you're looked at with you know they cringe or sometimes you know you know the way the older folks criticize they think you're too young, you're too timid, you have no resources, you know nothing. But yet these young folks are passionate. They know who they are. They know what they are going for and they're very clear on what they are doing. But yet it looks like there's distance between the ready political class and these ambitious young folks who want to go there and still take up the same same positions. What do you think can be done to ensure that as we head towards 2027 at least you have a huge chunk a massive chunk of young people included in the political uh class so to say >> I think we just need to vote >> we just need to to to to be countless in terms of votes that we giving as genzies >> because um um whenever I just want to be neutral for this one because I I've observed it in counter that a moment that I announced you'll be a presidential candidate. That's the moment you'll see creative youths. Just for yesterday, I I I I saw a creative theme during that >> um that rally >> um a massive kind of robots. >> Mhm. >> Trying to dance and all that. So you see those kind of creatives and uh those controversial moments whenever announced because first of all this is a youthful thing. >> Yeah. So I think after 2027 that is when that they might realize that who genesis are and I think for this jih which happened um earlier the issue of ji movements which were really vocal some time back I think is that >> because that is those moments really shaken the whole world we are all over >> even national national media. >> Yeah. until that moment because all those you remember those those moments and I think some of the events were even historical. >> Yeah. Actually that whole thing is historical. >> It is. Yeah. uh nothing has ever happened like that before. >> So I think um >> yeah do you think maybe Jenz betray each other in terms of whenever somebody like I don't know how the criticism went from Kaz McCori being fronted as a possible messiah to him becoming the devil and where he is right now. uh if you look at the folks who are very loud like Morara Kbaso look they retreated you know >> I think he's looking forward to do something else as well at some point he even Kenyans even said they want back all the money and the efforts and the resources they had pumped to support his whatever he was doing the exposed that time do you believe uh we are our own enemies as young people and each and every time somebody rises we are either jealous we sabotage them or we look for ways to you know ensure that they're not heading forward what they want are we our own enemy >> okay you know first of all there's a time jini said that uh that they they are they are leaderless you remember that they were saying they are leaderless I don't know they are leaderless firstless tribeless >> yes >> mhm >> so I think um from that point I was a candidate to because whenever you go to the hexes there's someone hosting that space >> and he's the one maybe doing the the mediation giving the mics and all that at that space and um this this person is really must be really influential >> to host that huge space. So that is to mean he's kind of the leader >> and not everyone was able to go to to media and and and address the media as did. So I would say to you we don't have any leader but I would say because at some point um a moment In fact, he was deplatformed. >> Yes. >> He was cancelled. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, >> he was exposing >> the stalled projects. >> Yes. Yes. So for that one as well. So I think these people are kind of leaders and um moment whenever they they got because they got what they really wanted because I think for personal interest at times you feel like you're risking too much and already But you've just said it was he was too he was a ticking time bomb for the leadership at hand and for his safety he had to retreat to bamb some of the things he really want and gaining visibility. Okay. >> Yeah. So, we are our own enemy so to say, right? Is that what you're responding? >> So, yes. Right. >> At some point we are. But until that time, okay, and let me ask you, what do leadership or politics of accountability look like? And I'm remembering I just recently saw an update of uh the murder inquest into Rex Masai's uh shooting that led to his demise. I saw they've concluded they found evidence on CCTV footage, the original CCTV footage because at some point they said, "Oh, that's not the original CCTV footage." There are many other developing reports that said uh in the CBD cameras were not functioning at that time. You know, there's been there's been a lot of play in and out and I believe these are power dynamics coming into place. But yet they're saying they're going to form a final um conclusion and then maybe bring to book um the people that took part in the heinous murder of Rex Masai. If you were to look at it in an accountability format uh as our leadership in our country right now >> what does accountability look like for the leaders? Because when you bring in now issues of police brutality, uh the abductions, this has been the order of the day for the last two 3 years, but here we are, you know, we look like everything is all sugar spice and everything nice, but there's some things under the rock that you are assuming we addressed, but they've not been addressed. We can't just forget that people died. Uh it's it's not normal. Yeah, we know very well people died, and you I'm sure you witnessed some people that were shot and killed. Yeah. But we've moved on so nicely. you were cruising so well. So if you were to hold each other accountable, what does it look like in terms of matters politics and where does the conversation begin? I'll say um was rescue really threatening national peace at the moment he was shot those are the questions because if he was then I think um there's that format which should be followed to and there was really um where are the rights violated right to leave because there are limitation as well to why a police should open a gun and and shoot you there are those limitations but if we we just try to look it at that perspective. I think um there are people who should already be in brought in the book. >> Yeah. Because if this incident really happened maybe in in other countries the real witness Mr. What really happened to that was for Albert? Yeah. >> Oh, that was for Albert. Yes. >> So for res for Rex Rex Masai, I I don't really know whether is any any form of justice. >> Mhm. >> For that that gentleman because it was really unfortunate. >> Yeah. >> Because he was not even threatening any know um because they have those limitations as to why a police should should do that. >> Yeah. But but I I didn't even see a point where a police should should really open a fire and and and kill someone. >> Yeah. But also we are good at going to the streets. Um yeah, which is another debate on its own because uh if you observe closely the patterns of what has been happening from 2022, 2023 whenever people feel pressed they gather to pick it and demonstrate. Is that way maybe we can have alternative routes or alternative formats or presentations of having our voices heard without specifically heading to the streets? I'm not uh I'm not blocking anyone. I'm just trying to explain like you know what uh is it possible for us to drive another suitable way because each and every time there's protest it's guaranteed it's guaranteed somebody's going to get shot >> uh harmed or robbed tear gas and all that like polit protest in our country they have a pattern of turning violent and maybe excessive use of force by uh security officers what do you believe can be alternatives as compared to whenever I feel there's an issue in my region. I'm not going to mobilize people and we are storming the CBD to disrupt the peace and you know the CBD or metropolitan literally Nairobi is where every business happens. Do you believe there are any other alternatives and what are they? I would say first of all what really makes the government to feel so oppressed that people are really demonstrating the outside is the fact that they are now losing their hospitality. a moment what I pick and they saying this government should go and all that um government won't really allow such a thing making them lose popularity um in a way because there are things which were not done I would say um we f so much on social media um such demonstration are really happening you see trading hashtags talking about um certain things which should really be addressed by the government But unata um whoever is really being unressed is not even the social media. >> Mhm. >> So I think um this is a way of communicating and to make the communication really effective you should use all the channels. >> Um that's why you see the theos being covered um on on on the broadcasts. You see it on on a TV >> for those who didn't make it to to even go anywhere. So I think all those forms are are forms of communication and for it to be really effective as because the the purpose of of of of the city is to to hit that target of being had and and all that. So the best thing is addressing it on social media tag all those people who are really relevant to address it >> and with that I think um that's the best way to do it. I don't think we have alternatives because we go to social media there people will be really eliminated from maybe you know they won't have the access to social media they don't even watch like the likes of I watch TV most of them yeah so they won't get that information so for it to be effective what will happen for it to be effective because those are people communicating. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. But also now that you brought in social media, I think >> in our country for the very first time historically social media has been used as the most powerful tool to uh spearhead advocacy. uh the convergence. I remember the Gen Z made for the first time in history president come onto an ex platform to speak to them and they never showed up. They ghosted him on the ex platform. >> Uh for the very first time you're seeing Tik Tok high court uh young people converging into uh Instagram lives uh Tik Tok lives to air out their issues and iron out and even do suggestions to as well the ex spaces who are blowing up the the internet that time. I remember 2023, 2024. If you weren't in any of the X spaces, I don't know what your life was all about that time, but look at how social media played a massive role in gathering all this movement and then it just dies like that. But also still on that note maybe what do you believe can be done to use social media effectively henceforth moving forward especially for young people in this country apart from just pushing hashtags and then you know it's just a hashtag anyways recently we saw what happened with claude AI there's one of the allegedly it has not been proved as truth there's one of the cabinet secretaries who apparently allegedly they used claude AI to praise his docket I think it's under investigation it's something interesting that I'm still finding out too as But when you look at even with the emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence, there's a lot that we as young people of this country can do with social media. What do you make of that? I would say what we have uh where we are um at this moment on social media uh with the rapid change of technology so far because you see um when we talk about hex because I I spend most of my time in on XA last time I checked there are only 2 million Kenyans >> 2 million Kenyans on X active or who are using >> those who are using X >> are only 2 million 2 million. >> So number >> it's not a good number >> compared to the population we have in in Kenya and the people really need to be interested on on issues which are really affecting uh the whole country. 2 million is >> is is is a very small percentage. >> Yeah. >> Maybe other platforms like Facebook you'll find there are very many about almost 20 million. >> Yeah. >> Facebook and WhatsApp >> and and WhatsApp as well. >> Yeah. So I would say um social media is not really very much effective that's why >> you find conversation on on on Hex >> um whenever we have a maybe a vocal engage with maybe users and creators on >> it's not about the social media alone >> and that's why I I've seen even ground >> and all that and all those other agencies they are trying also to to address people on ground. So I don't think social media at the moment should be at the moment but maybe with the rapid change of technology gadgets were really um available to everyone those old generation people the likes of our parents and the granny's that habitate >> of technology maybe and on board on these social platforms really communicate effective to everyone. But the young people >> yeah as we bring this conversation to a close I think I'll give you like a minute in as much as you're trying to make progress but there's a consistent pattern of tribal politics here and as much as we are trying to oh we obeying the rule of law it's constitutionalism there's still that uh undertone not even undertone it's still loud actually the county yeah >> we are trying to move ahead but still politics of ethnicity are cropping up and I believe that's possibly the biggest you would say um in terms of taking away from the power of authenticity and integrity ethnic politics are actually forming the basis of what's currently going on in the country. So if we were to say if looking at it futuristic wise what can we do so that henceforth going forward as we head towards 2027 election we make sure the road is very clear for the youth and maybe what will be a call to action to that Gen Z that millennial that young folk who has been watching this conversation what do you want it to be their take out for them as we exit >> okay I think this conversation is not about it's not about um uh you from which uh political sides It's about we young people the energy we have how can we use it to spearhead the future of this country. So I think that should be the core thing and um the issue of motu um just having um to be on a side because because of a certain person I think we'll have to need each other after the elections. So I think uh what we should do uh let us just uh ensure that peace is existing in ourselves so that we we we have a country after the elections because that is on the hand you'll still need that your neighbor not the politician they will entice you maybe with the cash and all that >> neighbor from maybe um you have some issue And then not the politician when you are >> right. >> Yeah. >> So all right I think you can end it there. Give them your socials how they can get to be in touch with you but the one you're active on mostly. >> Sure. Sure. So on next you can just find me at charactif file. Uh we'll be interacting there. >> Mhm. >> Thank you. >> All right. Absolutely. Thank you so much for being here Rodrik Charalo political commentator and journalist for your invaluable insights and I wish you nothing but greatness. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. 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