Inside The World’s Most Expensive $10,000,000 Pokemon Collection

yeah this is the 32nd ever podcast episode of the iced coffee hour i'm gary otherwise known as king pokemon so far the podcast has made twenty five thousand eight hundred and fourteen dollars beautiful i love that amazing thank you thank you so much my pleasure we came all the way to las vegas today to meet with you and this is a really special episode because first of all i would say first of all would you say you have the largest pokemon collection in existence in terms of value uh not only do i believe that but i know that as a fact and i have a lot of items pokemon eyes in my collection that aren't even known to everybody that i have tucked away in northern california in a storage locker some people know some of the items but uh yeah that's a safe assumption how much would you say the whole collection is worth let's hook people from the very beginning this is the reason why you got to watch this episode well i've never been able to answer that question accurately i can tell you that what i've brought to show you you know i'll give you the value of that but of all the things that that we have in storage i have no idea what the value is plus pokemon has been spiking shooting up so high that the numbers are changing weekly i i mean it's uh multi-millions absolutely but i really can't be more accurate maybe do you think it's more than 10 million dollars it has to be yeah i would say that's safe to say also yes uh-huh you'll see what we have what we brought you know just to show you today wow so um oh by the way if you wouldn't mind putting the mic a little bit closer i just want to make sure yeah there we go um so i want to know first of all how you even got involved to begin with when did you first discover pokemon i remember in 1997 or 1998 in that area i remember a news article that came out that talked about a cartoon episode in japan that was causing a lot of kids to go into tremors and hallucinations and things like that i remember that the seizures the seizures i remember that it was a flashing episode yes and at the time i had my two uh youngest sons were seven and eight years old and so i identified with you know what was happening to those kids but when i heard that i remember my first thought was well that's pretty cool you know of course it was serious yeah right but i thought i thought man this this made the international news you know of a cartoon and so i investigated what's this cartoon what's this all about pokemon uh in in japan of course it was pocket monsters it wasn't known as pokemon and and so after you know that that was my first exposure then i got interested and then i got involved in a little bit of a business venture on bringing japanese there was no english cards bringing japanese cards over for our shop at home network and selling them getting them graded and uh sold on shop at home which they're somewhere on the internet there's episodes of that which you can see and uh so that they always sold right out because pokemon was um you know it was such an unprecedented thing in asia that it was i knew it was a can't miss situation in the united states because there had never been anything like it even in japan which uh is a good indication of things that will transfer over so when it got over here and then wizards of the coast ended up having uh you know getting the license to do the english version of pokemon uh i was as involved as i could be had a lot of doors shut my face but i wanted to get in because i knew this was a a great investment idea which was my whole intention back then was as an investment then my boys got interested in it and then my neighbors boys and then suddenly i was driving out of state to try to find pokemon cards for my family and and so uh and we'd open the packs and then i ended up with so many we started selling on something that was yahoo auctions uh which we don't have anymore there's a yahoo japan but not yahoo usa and so we got so many we started selling them and collecting them but i've always been a horrible seller uh i've always had trouble letting things go i become so attached you know to things and and so i saved them and obviously that was a smart move to this day you know that that i did do that so that was really the beginnings yeah what were you doing for work you said home shopping network so how were you making your money back then yeah uh well i've been in the uh casino management uh business for many years and uh you know ran the sahara hotel and uh you know different different things like that and and so i at that period of time when pokemon was coming over i got sick i got a type of cancer that had to be treated and it didn't work no it worked i'm here today right so so we ended up uh i ended up you know with free time you know kind of like you know a lot of people now during this covid thing what they're doing you know they're finding time to do other stuff and so i had time to mess with the hobby with pokemon and so that's what that's what i did yeah that's incredible so um were you collecting other cards before you started collecting pokemon yes i have i'm a lifelong collector going all the way back to the 1950s i think in 1959 i was five years old and i remember saving bottle caps with uh professional football players faces on the inside of the bottle caps and collecting all the los angeles rams you know which is where where i lived and yeah who my team was and i i collected trading cards baseball cards oh absolutely i still have uh a decent collection not a super valuable one i don't have any uh mantle rookies or you know anything like that right but i do have uh sandy koufax you know rookies and don drysdale rookies uh because they were my favorites but then i didn't keep in the greatest condition i was just a little kid you know of course so i collected trading cards the shows from the 1960s like adam's family and monsters i collected all those trading cards those sets uh i i like to say that i don't think there's a single set that i either don't own today or didn't own at one time complete wow so yeah good question and absolutely i've collected my entire life not just those things but science fiction magazines from the 1920s uh pulp magazines uh i mean just so many things but this is where i think is really interesting because once you start getting into what i like to call alternative investments pokemon cards we could we could say maybe is one of them movie posters let's just say like some of these other things including artwork are just really unique to start to collect yes yellow they they absolutely are and they're uh i was at a little bit of a disadvantage early on because my mom and dad and family members nobody were was collectors they were all if there was something too much in the house get her to get it out you know they wanted to keep things neat and uh so there was no there was no interest in collecting so i really have a feeling it's kind of an inherent thing because from the very beginning i was a collector and loved you know loved you know the just the whole thing going to shows the search the completing sets the it all meant you know so much inherently to me naturally and so i i you know it's you know kind of an individual special thing and i have it to this day even with all i've been through all the things i have uh i mean i still have my eye forward you know looking for you know other things and and and excited to see other people get things and like what you're going to do later on i'm actually excited to see you do that to open that and i mean just because that that's it's in me you know to you know to be excited about such things and to enjoy it yeah so let me share this so we got uh well i got a first edition gym trainer's pack unopened what was that year is that with 1999 i believe right was it jim trainers or was it 2000 yeah it was that it was actually two thousand two thousand it's uh gym heroes jim here yes yes uh-huh yeah so unopened i got this pack and i've been waiting specifically for today to open it right well i am so excited to see you open this because uh because there there can be some real treasures in there and every single you know it's more of a nostalgia thing you know 20 years ago when you were you know when you were just a little kid go to the store and pay your three bucks for a pack and go out back and open them i mean that's what it's all about and that that's what you're going to relive right this moment yeah and and i think that's part of the attraction to pokemon yeah you know it's it's going back and it's reliving those memories see i agree with that and what you were saying reminds me a lot of myself because when i was getting into book i never played the game but i only collected the cards right and i kept them in all pristine condition and uh i got the entire i think i got nearly the entire base set i i don't remember how much was first edition or how much was just base right i can't remember but someone stole my entire binder of cards a few hundred cards when i was off at school i put them in my backpack but i would go and bring them to school to trade with with other kids and just i'd bring them and like show them off be like look what i got last night and uh i remember i would even trade with the um uh with with the store i would go into and they had a big display of cards and i'd come in with my cars like can i trade three of these that i had duplicates up can i trade these for that one that you have there someone stole it but that unfortunately really ruined it for me because i was so disappointed i was like how could i how could i recreate that i couldn't so i got into the neo set because i didn't even want to go back because like it was so damaging to me because i think i was maybe 10 or 11. it's traumatic yeah it was yes because i had never had anything stolen from me ever in my entire life so this is the first wake up call like who would steal from me who would do this yeah so i got into neo got into magic the gathering a little bit but nothing was quite the same afterwards right unfortunately but you know i hear i i hear that story quite a bit uh even today for people just getting back into the hobby today if they buy a box and it turns out it's a reseal or something and you know it it takes kind of takes the heart out of you yeah you know it makes you not wanna you know you don't wanna take a chance of having that happen to you again and and i and i tell everybody that talks to me about going through an experience like that is seriously try to brush it off because because there was so much value prior to that day that happened and that same value is still there at this moment get back into it you know do it and enjoy it and uh and re relive it you know those moments they fade away over time yeah mm-hmm but yeah i also want to mention but first we have a quick word from our sponsor simply safe there's almost always a rise in 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like 13 12 years ago yeah that was uh no no no that wasn't that long ago it was actually uh the early part of 2016. no wasn't it yeah yeah doesn't it feel like pawn stars is way longer no you see uh pokemon go came out in uh january i think january of 2016. and uh and that that kind of drove put a needle in the arm of a pokemon and then uh i started getting see i i was you know kind of known as king pokemon for many years before that i did many things and was a top you know top ebayer and did a lot of things prior to that but the pawn stars episode which was in 2016 just after the pokemon go craze which lifted it the pawn stars episode just lifted it out of sight so it brought the hobby back let's talk about that episode for a second because i didn't fully explain it when i remember watching your episode you went into pawn stars and you were talking to rick was it rick yes about selling your charizards and you wanted five hundred thousand dollars yes for the how many charizards was that okay uh do you want the whole story yes please how do they reach out to you how much how much can you say how much of that is like scripted 100 i will tell you the exact honest story about this tell us okay they did reach out to me in advance okay uh rick lives here in town he's a neighbor of ours too oh is he really yeah that would be crazy to meet rick yeah and he has some connection to pokemon not just this episode we did together but he has some other connections you know through chumley in that you know from the show anyway uh they uh his his producer did reach out to me and ask me because pokemon go had lit such a fire under the hobby they wanted to get a pokemon segment on one of their episodes and so they reached out to me and and they had seen one of my listings that had those charizards and it was over a hundred psa tens different types right but all charizards and all you know trading tcg and then there was maybe 20 or 25 becketts cards so it was about 100 120 cards and so they wanted me to bring those in and negotiate with rick they said would i be interested in selling and all i'm thinking about is what is this going to do for the hobby how big would this be it's always been my focus as to there's more stories about the past having to do with this but it's always been about lifting the hobby even those recent things with logan and that and so you know right away i said oh certainly you know i'll do that and oh yeah i'll sell now market for all those at the time might have been in the 400 000 range uh at least as well as i could you know figure it a lot of mine were one of a kind so it's a little hard to calculate those because there's no you know well comps which you would understand in that so uh i ended up uh asking for five hundred thousand with no intention of selling but if they offered five you would have sold great question i would have been so obligated to sell now that would have been top retail at the time yeah that would have been the the most that i could ex which is why i set that number because anything under that i could easily not accept had they come to me and said okay we're going to give you the 500 000 uh which i didn't expect yeah i i might have had to but i also might have tried to find a way out did you have to sign a contract going into it saying if they are if they paid you your price your oblique like like a shark tank yeah no no i i did have to sign a contract but it didn't deal with that you know just dealt with being able to use my likeness and yes and that stuff uh and so and so when that when he finally said that you know he wasn't you know he just didn't know what he would do with it i mean it's probably the biggest mistake pawn stars ever made it's something else let me mention you might not you might know this a lot of people don't it's the second most viewed segment in the history of pawn stars they've had over 2 000 segments the pokemon episode that pokemon episode is the number two highest rated there's over 12 million already on history channel yeah well on history channel then they had tons at the time you know what's the top rated uh it's i feel like that was the car there's some car no it's actually some coin something that didn't deserve it which we're catching we're catching up to it's like 15 million but we we it was 15 million to 10 million at one time on history channel and now we're 15 million to 13 million so ours is going we might catch that but no it was nothing you know special it was like a coin or something like that but uh anyway when he didn't do it i was relieved because i knew we got the publicity for the hobby and uh and yet i you know didn't go through any type of embarrassment having to not accept his uh or later after the show telling him rick i can't what percentage of your collection were those chars oh okay well that was my entire charizard collection of course i have a whole lot of collectibles with with pokemon you'll see some uh but i mean i i was just that whole thing just worked out so good because it just blew up after that episode it just it just absolutely blew up and a lot of people got to know me for the first time so it was you know good for me not that i try to benefit anyway you know but it was good for me like first time you the first time you did first time a lot of people did the best part of it was it was the first time a lot of parents saw it and they have their kids playing with pokemon and then they see me there with a half a million dollar they say wait a sec it kind of legitimized you know the the investment values of pokemon and that they thought well heck this guy has you know has this stuff and you know anyway it did two things that got parents more interested in their kids you know pokemon hobbies plus for for people who at that time were turning 25 30 years old it made them think wait a second where's my old pokemon binder and then they would go through the attic they would find their own their own binder then get back involved see realize that you know well this is super cool you know that you know the feelings rush back and and so uh it did those two things also which was great for the hobby yeah now let's talk about the hobby now yes do you worry or feel like it's a bit bubblish in terms of prices do you feel like people are piling in because they just want the investment they just want to make money and do you think that's going to settle down yeah i i mean that there there is no more pertinent question than that these days because uh it's really hard to tell all i can do is give an answer based on my past experience which i've uh i have quite a bit with collectibles in that uh there i have never seen anything comparable to pokemon of all the collectibles that have come before in my lifetime i had never seen anything like the reaction pokemon got in the origin in 1999 in english uh all the way through the 2000s up until today it's unprecedented so it's really hard to say i i do understand bubbles and i have seen a hundred of them i don't see it with pokemon because i've always believed that 10 to 15 years after the last item is produced that a hobby is safe pokemon is still pumping out sets like crazy right you know they're so these little kids are growing up with pokemon our little six-year-old has pokemon everywhere whether it's cards or little action figures or plushes i mean uh it's it's still there for these kids and 20 years from now that six-year-old is going to be 26 and that 10 year old is going to be you know is going to be 20 25 30 years old and uh you know and i see the hobby as being safe for all those years once they stopped producing pokemon uh then i would i could safely say you know that maybe 10 15 years you know you know but then again maybe not maybe it would still keep going so so you think as long as pokemon is still popular to younger people the hobby will at least these cards could continue going up in value but once they stop maybe people might forget or not be as enthusiastic as they once were even more so even more so now than in 1999 because remember in 1999 us parents didn't have any history with pokemon right because pokemon was just being released in english and so like for my two boys who were like seven eight nine at the time you know i was simply involving myself with them because i i wanted to be you know a part of what they were interested in today it's a different story when you guys have kids you guys already know about pokemon you guys already enjoyed pokemon and it's and it's not that big of a stretch for you to join in in the in the uh the fun of it you know with your children and you actually identify with the whole thing back then we didn't because we didn't have pokemon before that so yeah yeah i i'd say i'd say that that is probably the biggest change is that now the parents know all about it they they loved it at one time and they're gonna they will easily participate with their kids did you ever get in to any of the like pokemon copycats like any of the other collab collectibles like i know there's like bacon oh you yugioh like yugioh i up until 2002 or 2003 i was just an incorrigible collector i i had to have every trading card set i have all the dragon ball z sets i have all the sailor moon sets the premiere edition i just gave to steve as a matter of fact the premiere edition uh the the yugioh magic the gathering you know from before pokemon that came out i think 1993. uh yeah yeah i collected them all and i have uh the vast majority of them still to this day and love them and yugioh is taking off like crazy now too also another quick question yes when you first got started in pokemon how much of it was you looking into a new investment opportunity and how much of it was just genuine curiosity of a new collectible just because you like collecting things because it seems like with as much excitement as there was with pokemon and the fact that it was just starting at that time you could probably properly gauge like its future values yeah i i could at the time i had never seen anything like uh like 50 to 100 people in line at a walmart you know waiting for the next you know for the night for the jungle release or the fossil release of pokemon i had never seen that i mean that that kind it was like every single day was black friday you know it was just crazy so yes i did i did anticipate i did anticipate uh long term investment you know opportunities with it but i can't say that i was so smart that i i uh led my my actions and my life in that direction because of the investment opportunities i'd love to be able to say that because i would look a lot smarter right yeah but i i can't take credit for that because i just simply loved hobbies loved collecting loved the connection to my sons yeah and uh and i i would have done it no no matter you know what you know no matter what the situation was how much of your own money back then were you spending on cars like what percentage of your income were you making back then you're like 20 i'm gonna buy pokemon card like yeah uh a great question because i didn't have all the money i had before and after because at that during that time period i had gotten sick and couldn't work and and it was cancer it was a type of cancer and uh and so it wasn't like i was pumped up you know where i could afford anything i wanted in that it's just that it was of such interest to jay and devin my two sons that uh you know every extra dollar that i could i put into the hobby and uh of course it wasn't any you know it wasn't that expensive back then you could get base packs when they first came out for like three four bucks first edition base no first first first first edition uh were always difficult to find really yeah yeah they were always difficult to find in fact i don't think i ever ever ever saw one on a shelf at any store and i was involved in january 1999 which is the very beginning why is that they released them on the west coast uh and then they ran out so they never got across country but i think the majority of the card there were a lot of card shops card shops were super popular back then they ended up you know getting them and then breaking them open selling the singles and and again people were driving out of state including me just to find them that's how popular so they had no trouble finding buyers for the singles so they cracked most of that sealed product and then sold them through their stores and the hobby stores had priority over the walmarts and targets and that back then who ended up getting the unlimited versions in that so how many unopened first edition boxes do you think there are still out there unopened first edition well you know i have nine do you know that no i didn't oh oh okay i did not know that i have a case uh in the in the pokemon community the people know that they've seen pictures and all that uh there's i have a case of six boxes where i have the half the lid opened up like this just because i wanted to make sure it was inside uh opened up no boxes would fit you couldn't take any of the boxes out but i know what's inside so that's a box of six i have a picture of the picture i can send you uh i just got that through a i think it was through frank and sons uh which is a collectible uh collect a collectible uh i don't know what you call a convention or something but twice a week in los angeles uh on wednesdays and saturday that was 1999. and they're still going today the frank and sons show is still going today in los angeles and now they have a lot of pokemon oh i took my boys there every single wednesday and saturday and so anyway i got those six in the case and then i got three odd boxes in that those early years how did you acquire and how much is it how much how much was that how would you pay that yeah no i mean just crazy low amounts you know may maybe four or 500 a box something like that or 500 a box yeah yeah four or 500 for one box so multiply that for the case of six in that i bet back then people were thinking that was crazy right oh yeah oh it totally were yeah you would go into like frank and sons and on their shelf they would have one first edition base pack like for 50 and it sat there for six months nobody would spend 50 bucks on it not that that exact same pack you know especially if it's a heavy is you know 20 25 000 or so but i mean so no no it wasn't that big of a deal to me it was kind of a big deal because i i knew about first edition stuff you see i was i was no kid right i knew about the value of limited edition items and so you know whereas the the kids that were into it they uh they didn't give it much more than two thoughts me that first edition stamp meant a whole lot because it told me well these they will never reproduce the unlimiteds they could produce forever right so uh yeah so i i was lucky i had the experience of what collectibles mean and what limited editions mean and and reputable companies putting them out what it means where they like with magic the gathering you know they can reprint those like crazy they reserve lists and and you know stuff like that so uh you know once again i can't really take much credit it's just simply a thing that i knew at the time that i had learned in my years of collecting so how many first edition boxes do you think that there are okay yeah that uh see we know my nine i might know of another you know 20 i don't know anybody with two but i know a lot of people with one uh if i had to guess and again it's purely a guess i would say maybe uh 50 to 80 in the world yeah they just simply weren't available and there and there may be less than that the fewer there are probably the better for me because it makes mine a little more special right um but i would say 50 to 80 very very possibly a lot of people have one yeah are you ever going to open up like when you're just leaving them what's the yeah what's the plan they're not even they're not they're i uh do you know placerville california yeah it's like north of sacramento uh that's where they are i have a storage locker a special security type storage you know there that holds all my best collectibles and uh i mean i might go up there once every two three years uh i would i don't sell anything out of there that'll all get passed on when i'm gone then what's is that passed on to your children or do you have the expectation that they're never gonna sell that or that it's what's what would you yeah i know what do you think i don't think so if you tell them not but i'm wondering yeah but why not like a museum why not see if you can get some some publicly funded or some some museum that you could donate a portion of proceeds to charity and display them absolutely a lot of that will be going on in fact it's already drawn up yeah you know as far as our charities are concerned uh but the the bulk of it uh you know my boys will will just you know have to figure it out in that but you know that that was my goal from the beginning you know these these are if these ever end up being worth anything you know any of my collections you know that uh i hope i've raised my boys in such a way that they would value it themselves or at the very least value my passion for it now opening up a museum or something there was never really much call for it but i've actually heard some things recently where some some of my stuff and some of the stuff in the community that a lot of the guys have is you know very rare special items that people would come to see so that's that's not that could be something around the corner i would do that i would pay like 30 bucks to get access to a museum and you walk in a room like this they're all like first edition charizards everywhere like that would be neat imagine the smithsonian sponsoring a little like for for trading cards i think yeah really interesting right i think it would be too i would go too right well i know that a lot of people would there was a show about a about a year ago somewhere in the midwest where a lot of the guys got together uh to put on a show you know where they could show off their wares and that and they had a little museum thing you know set up you know that was curtained off and that they went in and they showed a first edition basebox they showed a psa 10 charizard they showed some of the japanese trophy cards and things like that and and it was it was very successful so that tells you people do want to go see this stuff you know they because they especially these days where the popularity is through the roof yeah so as far as your own collection have you ever considered or has your family wanted you to say we should sell half of this we could live like kings we could buy a mansion you could get whatever you want just half of it right yeah well i'm kind of lucky uh with with tuan she's kind of known as queen pokemon or at autism instruct she has just as much passion for this as i do she loves it she had never heard of it 10 years ago because pokemon wasn't the thing in vietnam uh but uh in fact it's over 10 years like 12 13 years ago i saw her turn and look at me so yeah we should if she wants we could uh bring her on for so let's meet her oh okay tuan come here a minute come here a minute meeting queen pokeman yes uh-huh queen pokemon pokemans yeah come here a minute hey come on in come over here say hello yeah we're we're talking about uh when we met in vietnam and and you had hadn't heard about pokemon at the time you know over there and uh and yet uh you know we're just kind of telling our story at the time he said he had nothing but he has a lot of [ __ ] and he just said come over here visit and then if five years later you stay here for five years if five years later you don't like it then you can we go five years yeah five years that's a long time yeah five years you know by then you're settled yeah that's why he's not yes that was when i was kidding what character you have he said pokemon card i don't have no idea about pokemon cat at that time and then when i moved here 2010 i saw him like crazy night and day he everything in it on it said gary you should sleep sometimes right no everything pokemon and then 2012 i started to get in it but not deeply like him because i have another vision like you know that autism yeah so um at that time not autism yet autism is about uh 2014 so i start to um i even start my ebay but tell you the truth i sell um none zero dollar on the ebay and i close it so i said no no this is not for me and i said okay just keep everything there for me so i put everything in the stores wow yeah and so you got her with pokemon most guys would be like come check out my mansion i got a car but you should come check out the pokemon card yeah i didn't know anything about pokemon and slowly i know it but not totally 100 percent in it but i support him that's nice i trust his instant and his love and then usually when you love someone yes you love everything about that person do you ever get in fights about pokemon that it's too much too much pokemon you tell them i didn't have instagram and recently i start in the rams is that you have to spend time with your family daddy and and then when i sign up instagram he bum he said my wife in he posted one of my boss i'm supposed to say my wife just get into interim just say follow her something and the next morning i saw what 400 people four hundred years ago when people you know what's your interest what's your instagram everyone who's watching go go follow her let's let's do this people here seventy thousand yeah yeah yeah yeah you guys just go to instagram is uh autism instruct okay and then autism instruction yes and it's instruction autism instruction and it's for a good cause helping charity yes autism i think this is good so guys just do it let's do it and then and then i say oh my gosh this is what you spend time for you love and then i fell in love oh i was the director of a resort casino hotel right on the south china sea and uh tuan was hired to be the assistant director plus she spoke multiple languages which i needed because very few people spoke english there and uh and so we fell in love and i told her just come back for that five years and and if you as big as my sons my sons yeah my sons would be uh my sons would be were like 14 15 they'd be 19 20. and then i'd feel okay about going i said and if you're not happy after five years i'll go with you back to vietnam and i'll live there the rest of my life all right and i was i do what i say you know pawn star's promise try to get out of it yeah yeah well contract though those things started happening and like tuan was in that episode too but she was one of the crowd they brought they brought you know some people in you know from the yeah to be in the episode you know as customers in that but yeah fortunately after that five years she had gone to unlv gotten another degree and then wanted to start other things had the baby and and then decided you know you know that she wanted to stay and i went because i would have left yeah just like i probably would have had to have sold to rick right because i told him i would yeah uh but i i got it working your face i have yes yes yeah which would change everything but it's good because you would have honored it so you deserve it i like deserved it you've done it yeah i mean it just happened that the cards were in your favor right that's true that's a good way to put it the cards were in my favor you know what i think i think you're good luck so how about this let's open up the pack oh jack how about this what i'm thinking jack if you want to get some uh just some b-roll yeah yeah i don't have any sleeve so i'm planning to put the card back in here but if we get a first edition uh blaine's charizard or an erica's venusaur we're gonna go crazy here okay so we got brock's geodude erica's weep and belle energy stars manky bellsprout magnamite sabrina's abra oh we got a blaine's charmander that's good oh that's a sign of something to come oh let's see rocket snorlax wow not hollow but still i guess it's uh i missed it from the back i guess with these is it so it's not three from the back on this one there's another card behind that one no misty-seeking uh-uh oh there's not no it was the rocket snorlax okay that was so okay not uh not a hollow but we still got a blaze charmander it's uh probably a nine it's a little off center but the uh what do you think of this the rocket snorlax that's the rare nice did it i think too we should see what's in your uh what's in your briefcase okay also to throw this out there we haven't mentioned this we are filming in las vegas at steve aoki's house the dj because gary and him are friends so we arrived at this house and i have to say it is now i i feel like he keeps saying this is the coolest house i've ever been to ever since i started hanging out with graham but now this is definitely the coolest house i've ever been to right what house did we oh no it was the um the one with kevin o'leary it was the one with kevin o'leary yeah and then also it was the one that we did with christine that was like this between all the houses this is by far the nicest it has a jump like ball pit or something like a foam trampoline and ball pit yes literally everything anyone could ever want is all within this house and it's a very very nice house as well yeah and you guys took advantage of that too absolutely some pictures up here yeah we had a fantastic time so steve thank you so much for for doing this yes so how much is in how much is this worth this box you want to guess yeah yeah i want to take a guess so you said you have multi you said over 10 million no no no over 10 million means means my entire pokemon collection you have all the this is just a small part of it a yeah so all your good stuff's up north so i'm going to say in in that briefcase i feel like i'm going to say something low and it's going to be stupid to be honest just be honest don't don't don't try just be what you really think it is what i really think that is yeah oh my gosh uh one point six million dollars i was gonna say two okay it's about double those those numbers yeah there's i i actually uh knowing that we were going to discuss this today i actually checked current market values of what i could sell these for within seven days if i if i was gonna sell them what could i get within seven days so these are not outrageous numbers these are sellable these are what they would sell for quickly mm-hmm in that and it amounts to do you want me to open this would tell us how much and then i got one question for you before you open it okay it amounts to 3.9 million dollars inside this case and uh it's not a huge case but it is some of the most special items i have how do you ensure this that's what i want to know you don't it's not insured it is not insured can't you get this insured there's got to be someone who's willing to ensure yeah there there are some collectible uh some companies that will ensure collectibles but put yourself in the in the uh place of an insurance company that are is trying to ensure these uh how easy it would be to take advantage of an insurance company i mean these are just little cars right you know i could i could say right now you know well i'm missing three cards you know a million dollars i'm missing three what's what's going on here right so they are not that open to uh insuring collectibles like this uh there are a couple companies that do they are so outrageous and the restrictions are are so confining that uh there's [Music] nobody with half a brain would would take advantage so how do you protect against these either being stolen or damaged okay what i what i did to get these ready for you was the majority i took out of one of my safety deposit boxes at bank of at our bank and uh which i have a decent size box where i keep the most expensive things yes you can you can insure things through uh bank safety deposit boxes but there's little reason to if there's a safe place those that's the safe place and the one i have has special restrictions on safety deposit boxes it's not your normal uh system bank system uh in other words i am a hundred percent confident nobody could ever get into that and and they're 100 safe and then the balance of them i just keep in the storage i have a couple storage lockers here in las vegas also i keep them here and uh you know inconspicuously not in my name you know because people can research my name uh in fact that was uh you know some i think i think it was steve aoki's business manager who gave me that advice said take everything out of your name all your storage lockers don't use your name don't use tuan's name at autism instruct yeah follow like you say and smash the like button destroy it right yeah destroy the because of the uh youtube algorithm yes uh so uh i i keep those in the storage locker and very inconspicuous and uh and so i i feel you know very confident with that too because i got i got steve's manager he he set me all up to do things properly good and yeah so well let's see what's in here i'm uh really excited for this okay jack this is going to be the most expensive thing that you've seen oh no maybe christine's ring 1.6 million dollars jack held it and how much did you guess it was worth like 50 grand 300 grand she says yeah she says 1.6 and his face you could you could pause you could actually put this up here freeze frame on your face as she tells you the thing it's just this it's it's priceless graham has introduced me to a pretty yeah different lifestyle yeah uh we have this thing where just jack reacts to things so and and because yes you have such genuine reactions to everything it's just this utter amazement it's really fun it's just it's just fun all right let's see this okay i'm wondering if i should uh b-roll some of this should we do this before afterwards uh we could do it afterwards you sure okay okay now there's i feel like yeah numerous different things i don't know how you want to show this um let's do it afterwards yeah okay yeah we'll do b-roll afterwards you should i i don't want to touch anything you you show us and well you can touch really it's all protected yeah can i grab one anything of course sure so this is a shadowless gem mint 10 charizard yeah market value that's not first edition correct no it's not okay so uh market value for those i know uh you know one of the guys that we all know in the community just paid a hundred and twenty thousand for one of those wow jack do you wanna be so careful with that no no no no no oh you could take it you could throw it across no you floor one no how was it how was it can i grab one more everything how is it how is it so protected in there that it if i threw it i'm not going to but it wouldn't move around and damage at all no no is it so protected it totally totally sounds it's one of the reasons for uh for grading cards for a lot of people it's just to give them you know life lifelong protection and that's how maybe maybe you want to drop it off the roof thousand dollars that's minimum 100 000 you can get a little more than that yeah wow those are shadowless psa 10 did you grade these or did you buy i bought of the shadowless i would say you know over these years maybe i graded i think there's 12 of them in there and i think i graded half and bought half maybe take these these are all shadowless i don't know how much we got oh you know what i got i got to get a picture with with all of these we gotta get pictures we gotta get pictures gotta get pictures okay oh my god that is insane so wait wait so how much am i holding how many is this one two three four five six seven eight it's a million bucks you want to hold a million dollars jack pokemon cardboard my hands are my hands are sweating because i want to make sure like nothing happens to this i'm so worried i'm still worried about it if you don't juggle them juggle with them you could probably juggle with them and be okay too oh they're all first edition gem mint tens six of them i will get pictures afterwards i really want a picture right now there's a little speck right there yeah uh gem mint 10 doesn't mean perfect you know of course yeah if you know the process to make these these all come on big sheets the sheets get fed off of each rollers roll and peel the sheets off cutters come and cut the edges on those yeah do you have any that are like basically perfect what would you say the most perfect one is here let's you know what i i would that that right there that might that might bore you because i would have to go very closely through those with a mag with my uh you know special magnify jewelers loop and some are a little better than others wow this is it man that's the one this is a bgs 10 signed yes in this case the signature means very little yeah arita who did design that charizard uh and it's signed on the case not the card right i mean never would you let him sign that card because that's extremely special who signed this uh arita yeah the artist yeah but which in a lot of cases that's a big deal but this card is such a big deal his signature means nothing yeah i i could take i i i'm tempted to take it off of there it's just on the case it's not on the card the signature i see unfortunately this for centering for this not to get a black label it's the top is just a fraction i know too tall that's it now this card is the one you mentioned lee and i leon hart and i went to beckett's i wanted to get this uh crossed over to a black label all tens yeah and i gave it to them and they went through it and they said i'm sorry we just can't you know we it's a ten it's a pristine 10 but we can't upgrade you on that it's a shame that they can't just file down that top just a little bit i know you wouldn't even want to touch this card not not if you knew how much that's worth do you think this is the only one in existence now there are three of those in existence three uh beckett's gem pristine tens i own two of them i had the only two up until about three four months ago only two in the world and somehow somebody came up with one graded it through becketts and the third one came out nobody knows who it was we don't know who it was i'm trying to find them in fact i've offered i've offered 50 000 to anybody that can find me the third one of those and that i can complete a transaction to own it so i own the only three wow and nobody has come forward yeah now if you check this the uh serial numbers the cards before it and the cards after it are like it was a binder set it's like somebody had a binder took the cards out all first edition and had him graded and by chance and by luck they ended the charizard ended up with a pristine 10. but the other ones were sixes and sevens so you could tell that this was no pro who got it so it could be just some random person got it i will never find out who it was it'll stay hidden you know essentially forever at least as far as i'm concerned how much is that card worth okay let me guess jack guess how much you think that that one card is worth yes i thought a 10 was worth 300 grand not a becket beckett is like you have psa but then you have back it's like the rolls-royce psa i would say is like the mercedes of grading this is the rolls royce this is like you take a psa you put a psa under a fine tooth comb and then you get back it there's a hundred and twenty one of those psa tens in the world 121 psa 10 of the psa 10. that's a beckett there's three of those there's 121 of the psa tens so that gives you a little better idea that is the tens of the tens it's like the top one percent or the top point one percent there you go you guessed first i'll get second now you can't be wrong because one has never sold because i would never sell them and the other one's never shown up so this is all guesswork i feel like if it's the rolls-royce to mercedes equivalent i'm gonna say one million dollars yeah i would say if if the tenant i would say this is probably worth up to two million dollars the right collector i'd say two million i would be i i would have to agree to that price that's an awful lot i'm there is no right answer to this if i had to put a number like you guys just did i would say maybe 800 000 to a million yeah would you pay a million dollars for one of those that's a good question oh man [Music] you don't want to tip your hats i offered for anybody who could find that third one for me i offered 750 000 and 50 000 finders fee so that would be my maximum why really kind of do i really you know it would be too hard to do more than that would be hard to do that what's your advantage of getting all three besides just having the market just because all these years i had the only one right for many years i had the only one then a second one popped up and with leon hart's help as a middle heat middleman for me in dallas he found it got the girl to agree to sell it i flew to dallas we completed that transaction he did a video on it with him and i uh okay see that's interesting i don't mind uh because of because of the girl i can't say the exact amount but i can say under a hundred thousand i paid for it and that's four or five years ago or something like that uh [Music] so i had the only one and then this one came and i bought this one for under a hundred thousand that gave me the only two and so i've always had the only ones right now this third one came did you hear about the third one uh it uh beckett's advertised it you know they advertise you know that this card is shown up and they put it on the front page of their website and so okay now those are so you got the base yeah those are the edition yeah those are the uh the the family of those guys those are the first edition uh hollows that came with that first edition base set that's all nine and a half's yeah those are all nine point fives do you have any tens no of the base no have you wanted tens of the base no not real not beckett tens why harder than how expensive very very hard very hard those i mean you figure three of those in the world and anybody who has one of any quality is getting it graded right right there's no none hiding away and at least not likely that's a beauty huh wow what do you what's the blastoise worth the blastoise what are the sub grades nine and a half's all four that's a beautiful one yeah that's uh that's a saw that would be equivalent to a psa 10. oh yeah so maybe uh 30 000 something like that so what's the what's off on the centering on this one uh well like graham said he saw just a little tiny bit of an off top to bottom i think you said graham yeah i think the top is a little bit sure about that but that's the main reason i sent it back in to hopefully get it upgraded to a black label 10 10 10 10. right now it's 10 10 10 9.5 but they said the same thing they said the same thing you got to wait till they like recycle their employees yeah have you thought about that just keep sending it and sending it until eventually keep trying someone else yeah so they know yeah it's such a it's such a famous card that they would know what i'm doing yeah because they they know they know me but you know what couldn't you have do it under someone else's name only because the card they all know the card is mine i'll take the card out you take the card out under another person's name no too risky it's very risky no they don't take it out when they uh when they uh re-re-grade it unless it qualifies for an upgrade then they take it up so it's too dangerous it's too too i really don't even know what to compare that to if you're trying to cut it and like one of those little plastic chards hit the card and cause a little scratch suddenly you're that could be like 83 right that well no that could be a difference between eight hundred thousand dollars and sixty thousand dollars yeah that a little so that's why as long as they're in there again i wouldn't care what you guys did you guys could play catch with them they're they're good they're safe but once you start cracking them open it's dangerous what do you think the gyarados this is the card that i uh pulled uh-huh and unfortunately oh yeah that's what you pulled on the live stream yeah there's a little tiny white nick on my like tiny tiny tiny little speck on that side otherwise center is good what would what's this card worth that would put it to a nine probably and that would probably i don't know maybe well for a 10 it's probably about 10 000 if it gets a psa 10. yeah for a for a nine it would be one or two thousand maybe oh and then what you you have packs in here these are all first edition base packs wow and you have no desire of opening these what if what if there's a uh bgs10 charizard in there i know i know sometimes when i go to bed at night i that's my first dream you know is what's inside there it's so hard there's uh 26 of those packs here is that a heavy pack uh there's eight heavy packs out of the 26 so there's eight packs that do have a holo foil inside and that's that could be zero charizards that could be one charger it could be two charizards right statistically it would be one though right statistically it would be uh about half about a 50 percent chance of there being a charizard out of those eight packs about a 50 chance be even a little bit less because i think you have 12 in a box 12 hollow foils in a box and uh the chance for a charizard uh out of those there's 15 hollow foils possible 12 hollow foils in a pack means you're not even guaranteed a hollow foil out of a full box you're guaranteed 12 hollows out of the 15 possible hollows and then some of those hollows can be duplicated you might get two or something you might get three or something could you ever get two hollows in one pack i got oh no no not in one pack but in one box one time i got three charizards in one box this was before that this was like 2005 and i do have two witnesses that had happened one was my youngest son devin and uh the other one was it was a business partner joel who's still alive lives in columbus ohio and he would attest for it so because they were both there watching me open this box three first edition bass charizards that's not the whole story all three graded psa 10. oh my god and i'm saying that with people alive that saw me do it right so what do you think yeah what are those first edition packs worth okay uh they're worth depending how you sell at light if you sell a light pack maybe eight to ten thousand for a light pack that's pretty much guaranteed no holo foil if you sell a heavy pack where you're guaranteed a heavy like out of those eight of those uh then about 25 000 for a guaranteed hollow pack and if you sell them unweighed which means right now you just grab one and buy it and open it then i would say right in the area of 15 to 18 000. it's that much yeah i remember when logan announced his packs for 11 000 bucks yes i did the research on i'm like these packs are really worth nine right and i'm like i'm paying a premium for the shout out from logan yes but i think well it's good i can make a video from it so i can make it worth it at least there you go um it's crazy to see how much the values have gone up yes yeah i mean it's it's real it's real safe to say that uh like with logan with your thing that you that you did at that time he had just bought a first edition psa 10 charizard for 150 000. so now that same card that come out of those packs is 350 000 right so obviously now that price that you guys paid uh it would have to be more than that today because the price of the cards especially that charizard is so high like had you not broke that pack the one you have you could have sold that heavy pack because you could have weighed it with the gyarados that would show up as heavy easily sell it for 25 000 maybe 30 000 on ebay there's trying to get 40 000. yeah i think the curiosity for me to know what's inside i couldn't do it i'll i'll tell you that whole experience i think was worth it yeah yeah yeah it was a great experience yeah i loved watching you guys i i loved watching that yeah and yeah if you had to pick a second favorite card what would it be my absolute favorite pokemon card is venusaur it's not charging it's not charging there's something about the looks of that base set venusaur you know something about the nose the nose on the artwork that that just for me just makes me want to grab that nose and shake it you know it's just so cool the artwork on the green which is my favorite color and and the the look of on his face and the and the bulk of his nose it's uh when that when that first came out that's been my favorite card ever since so base said venusaur artwork even the erika's venusaur i think you mentioned earlier i love that venusaur too but the base said venusaur is my favorite card and then i would have to say the charizards what would you say for people who want to get into collecting let's say it's both a hobby and an investment is it worth it for people to buy like psa sevens and sixes and eights or is it worth it to save up and get one good like psa 10 instead of a whole bunch of sevens i'm the the tens have escalated so much that it really is out of reach you know for the majority of people those are really out of reach and with that being the case they're going to be liking the nines and getting the nines the nines are getting scarce then they're going to be liking the eights i'd like as an investment opportunity i like the lower graded ones the sixes sevens and eights because eventually those higher grades are going to fade out they're going to disappear people are going to get them in their collections like me and not release them not not give them up so i i like i like the idea of premium cards like these in lower grades very much so you think that would be a good investment yeah i do but now but but you're saying if someone had the money yeah to buy a higher grade to go with the highest grade you could afford because it's that curve the higher the grade all of a sudden it rises exponentially yes yeah uh if my let's let's just say money isn't as much of an issue then i would go with the higher graded cards okay yes i would because any time you look at a graph of value changes in that uh you see the the middle grades going up a little bit and if you see spikes it's always those psa tens that show the spike yeah so yeah and and you know i wanted to ask you something if i could don't yeah anything whatever you want because uh you know i was thinking let me grab one of these i was thinking that you know for investment opportunities uh of course you know we know each other i know that you have rental properties and stuff like that uh you in los angeles are they might be more i don't know but say 750 000 home you can buy fix it up a little bit do your 50 000 thing and then rent it out and all that or you can buy for that exact same 750 000 this instead of a house you're buying this slab this card obviously upkeep and everything is different i know that's probably all yeah i'm shooting through your head right in that what do you think investment wise because a lot of what you do is foreign and yet equal val today if they were equal value today how how do you feel about that what would you it's tough because i feel like with the investment property you're guaranteed a certain roi that you could go in and see okay see all these houses are selling at this price i know if i put 50 000 in i could come out with a hundred thousand equity it's going to run for this price i'm making this month's it's it's guaranteed when done right there's very little risk with this the issue that i see with this compared to rental property is that you're not guaranteed income and it's hard to leverage this and it's hard to borrow against this it's hard to go to this card to the bank and say i want to borrow 300 grand i want to do a cash refinance so i can go move my money around this is a lot more illiquid good point that's that's the biggest difference i see this is really interesting to me because i feel like you could make more money i think with pokemon but it's just the risk you take the risk that you're not going to be able to replace your income from this it's it's kind of it it reminds me i don't want to compare it to uh to to bitcoin let's just say but it's similar in that you can't borrow against it right and you're going to do with the expectation that someone else is going to pay more now i think with this i think just the rarity alone is worth something it's just that that's it's it's giving up something guaranteed for something that has the potential of outperforming anything else i see so the it's because it's a little little bit or quite a bit more speculative yeah it's that that takes away from some of the current value of it yes from from a utility standpoint it's hard to go to the bank and say i want to pull a credit line from this and then buy stocks you couldn't do it it's just getting appraisal done and within a week they give you a credit line or with stocks it's instant right they'll just say what's your portfolio value they have a calculation stocks okay we'll lend you a million bucks right so with this it's harder um would you say that also with most collectibles yes so i don't think it's just actually pokemon you think that's collectibles in general in general mm-hmm but i think same thing yeah same thing um what was i just about to say um reminds me of uh like uh dubai low license plates like if you get a license plate that just says three or two or seven oh you're selling millions of dollars now okay yeah low digit license plates in dubai that's the ultimate sign of wealth is when someone has a low digit license plate because they had to pay top dollar for that very interesting but this this is what i feel like because like i i'm so because now i want one like really bad yeah dude because i see like that's uh no i i wouldn't sell any did you buy one graham you could find one oh no no you know knowing that the last one sold for 358 000 that's a record high you would have to match that or go a little bit above it yeah i mean i you you know what i have and i think that's overpriced and i and yet i own them i'm affecting my own values by saying that because a lot of people listen to me right about this uh i think 358 000 is excessive and i don't think they're worth that i don't think they're worth 250. what what honestly yeah what i'm concerned about is the logan paul video exploded the hobby and you have so many people going after these cards because they see it going up in value so fast so they're all jumping into it right paying top dollar just because they want to get it yes and i think a few years from now some of that's going to simmer down it's going to settle and it's going to stay there until the next thing comes up i think it reminds me a little bit of like the bitcoin thing where it seems like every seven years got boom it just explodes goes down settles there's a new base something else comes along boom same thing even higher next time goes down settles that that's what i think maybe could happen you know what i i couldn't agree more okay and i think the worst time to buy would be today to buy a psa 10 first edition charizard because i totally agree with you two three years from now i think they're going to go back down where they belong which is probably in the 200 000 range i mean i i'm not really gambling much by saying that because i'm not going to sell mine anyway 10 years two years doesn't make any difference but my honest feeling is exactly the same as yours wait today two three years from now they're going to be where they belong and then pick them up and then it could go through it natural now from 1999 to this day these have had a gradual increase they have never the charizards have never leveled off or gone down they have all had a a proper increase every day for the last 21 years never changed this spike that happened is sudden and unexpected and uh but yeah like if it weren't for the logan paul video where do you think these would be trading at because before that video these at the top were selling at like 40 50. yeah they i think once sold for 72 uh publicly i know of some that sold privately prior to logan paul uh purchase uh in the all of them under 100 000 in that uh but i got many offers for a hundred and thirty thousand yeah now since since this is like a podcast about investing and stuff like that you said that you'd be willing to spend 750 or 800 total thousand dollars in order to get uh i'd have to borrow from you guys but yeah i would do that [Laughter] charizard is collateral how are you getting those funds like how does that let's talk about building wealth and how you have built your wealth through pokemon cards throughout time yeah well i'm very i'm very pokey rich very pokey rich not rich just pokey rich just pokey rich pretty much uh of course i've worked my whole life and i've worked hard my whole life i've saved up a little bit uh but then just about all my money i put into my collectibles and you know certainly if i were to sell off collectibles i would do well uh but then you know then again i can tell you you know another interesting story you know maybe privately you know about that you know that situation but uh because pokemon has been you see i'd say 80 percent of my collectibles in my storage lockers that i work so hard and love them so much are absolutely worthless right i mean the no value whatsoever you know like fallen empires you know trading cards and things like that that i work so hard to put together in that they just simply haven't you know gone up at all and most of them have dropped down to nothing they're not worth anything uh so a lot of that those efforts i put it just so happens that pokemon has been extremely successful and that was what i concentrated on for you know 20 years so a lot of the a lot of the you know expendable income i have why i could buy that card for that price now is because of what pokemon has done and i sold some things that are of less consequence to me so you still sell cards and that's how you're able to oh yeah yeah but every everything is done privately now i do it through friends right in that i don't sell i think on ebay i think i have two listings that are absurd about things i don't sell anywhere except privately like you know through logan or steve or you know you know just through friends and if you don't mind answering this sure how much of your net worth is in pokemon cards what percentage you don't have to say an exact number if you're uncomfortable saying that no i mean i i would have a pretty good idea i i would i would say i would say probably with these spikes and values i would have to think my pokemon collection takes up at least 80 percent of my total net worth and i wouldn't have said that a year ago you know it might have been like 20 30 yeah 30 40. and what about uh investments like real estate and other stuff like that do you invest in that or is it more so just alternative that's an interesting thing i i have never invested in real estate you know ever i've owned homes in the past our last home we owned here in henderson was in a retirement community uh and then the little girl came along our little daughter came along and we had to move out of that that was actually the last home we purchased you know was that one uh so i don't have any uh real estate investments at all right now we are looking for a house now though uh that i can also explain to you later on yeah wow is there is there under any condition that you would sell the first edition charizard a psa 10 yeah i wouldn't uh only because only because i sold two mainly for the good of the game the good of the hobby plus i love the shadowless the most i and i have double the number of shadowless in that and i think the shadowless i i are rare and i think overall i think they're a better investment than first edition why is that there's 121 psa 10 first edition charts there's only 54 psa 10 shadowless charizards and yet there were more char shadows charizards produced but don't you think that's just because people haven't graded the shadowless cards because they felt like it's not as excellent question excellent question but absolutely not because if you look at the nine populations the nine populations are much higher for the shadowless than they are for first edition if you get my drift yeah see in other words the uh the number graded are very similar but the numbers that got tens and also people collected like me first editions and then when the unlimited series came out the shadowless those went into people's decks and they started playing them in that so the shadowless ones were the first unlimited nobody knew there was going to be a shadowed version afterwards so those got played with and damaged and so i think that's the main reason they're rarer and there's fewer so if you were to pick one card that you see graham you should go and buy this card invest in it i think 10 years from now you'll you'll do better than seven percent a year let's say which card would you pick i would pick the shadowless charizard what about a first edition venusaur do you think maybe the venus or blastoise might do well or you really think the shadowless you know the spike the spike see we're we're talking as we're you know right in the middle of a spike in pokemon and it's kind of like you know when when your housing market you know reaches the top where everything is more expensive than it's ever been before and you know brentwood and beverly hills you know these different areas they're all up 150 200 percent and then you get asked you know where would you recommend should i buy in bellar bent you know uh brentwood or it'd be hard to answer that because they're they're all at their all-time highs and so i don't know i mean i could be wrong about that but that's the kind of the way i see it i i don't think it's it's that smart buying things when they're at the top that they've ever been because how much higher are they going to go yeah that charizard 358 000 that's absolutely insane it's not worth that what do you think the base charizard is worth today versus what it should be worth space unlimited base unlimited psa 10. okay yeah that that's a that's a really good one because i i have 52 psa 10 unlimited charizards isn't that the entire psa market no there's there's more wait how many psa 10 unlimited is it i i'd have to i haven't looked in a long time maybe 400 500 maybe something i have to double check but there uh a year ago a psa 10 was probably worth about 1500 2 000. now they're probably worth 10 to 15 000. so they've gone up 10 times in one year and that's this card rate no that's not those are we're talking uh base unlimited shadowed god again shadow lists yeah yeah well yeah well these are a whole different okay i think those were maybe 30 000 a year ago and now they're over a hundred thousand that's over a hundred thousand really oh wow what do you think it should be i could take your phone right now and i could sell every single one of those for a hundred thousand before we finish this interview it's absolutely the right price today why do you uh continue buying these cards and continuing the collection that you already have so much of um it's an illness maybe maybe we need a dr phil here or something i you know i don't i don't know why it's it's a good thing i did and it's a good thing i do because it's made an awful lot of money if i were to liquidate if i were to sell uh i don't know why i want more why do i want that third one like you asked me before i don't know why well it makes sense why you want the third one because then you would have all three have them all then you would have the market right but but buying something that you wouldn't own 100 of yeah yeah i i don't know i'm i just want them i just you know love them so much and the more i have the happier i am do you have any other like expensive tastes or anything you uh do you drink starbucks i not in a million years would i do that and i'm not saying i i'm as smart as graham uh you know when it when it comes to frugality and that uh but i love the way he is you know when i see those things and i see when you talk about dates oh yeah i mean that that's me what you're saying is exactly what i want to be and exactly what i want to do and i think it's so cool in that but then oddly with with spending and that with tuan or with little accara i spent every nickel in my pocket and and i would and i would just be so happy about that my heart is absolutely what graham is what he what he had what you advocate in that but when it comes to those two girls i mean if just next time when you're at my house i'm going to show you her toys and i mean it's almost like every day i have to buy her a toy because i want her to be happy i want to see that smile i want to that means more to me but my nature is to be very frugal my nature is to try to be very smart you know with my money and before we got married i was very good with my money you know i starbucks you know five six seven dollars for a coffee is absolutely insane it doesn't make any sense at all in that i don't think it makes sense to anybody i think it's a laziness thing they don't want to make the coffee so they go and they they do it but is there value to that to those well we would consider wasting money there must be value to them yeah it the experience must have some value right when you think yeah yeah because i don't feel that way you know i i feel differently but the experience for the two girls i totally feel so it's almost like a split personality yeah i think let me just change the battery yes yeah sure yes thank you so much for coming on the podcast it was amazing having you and uh nice to meet you as well i i want to say like this is probably one of the funnest podcasts we've ever done because i'm trying to think back stradman was fun but we were doing so much other stuff that day that by the time we filmed the podcast exhausted we had a full day uh this this is i think our most this is my favorite one if i were to go back for any podcast can you think of i mean i don't know if i want to pick out like based off the guest individually but just overall the overall podcast experience this has been a great experience we came to vegas the drive over here was a breeze you wouldn't say this is your favorite one well just because i don't want to put down other people i don't know kevin's was great yes kevin this has been i will say this you want to say top three yes i will say top three top three i i want to say so far this has been my favorite experience because of how different it has been from every other episode and syncs all of this together getting able to talk to you i would say it's the best one yes he said he said this is the best thank you yeah yeah we met steve aoki that's amazing uh and we got to see this just collection and and talk to i i think the the best person when it comes to pokemon oh thank you yeah thank you so much thank you really it really means a lot and by the way we we all got uh the illness tested we don't want to say the the c word oh that test they do that little thing up uh up your nose that was actually not my favorite no that was a scary that i've never had that done before either uh has never had it done either uh every time we always get the finger that's what we were expecting or like it's cvs they do the just yeah that's what i think that that that thing was weird you know i haven't i've never none of us had that it was scary yeah it was scary i hated that but uh so we're all good we're all negative which is great uh thank you so much again oh thank you you know i appreciate you guys so much you know doing this the the financial side of things you know just isn't brought up enough with collectibles and with uh especially with pokemon information i think a lot of people should go to your channel and check out your financial information and how it can apply to their collectibles because you have a lot of these young people that are sitting suddenly on tons of money because they're psa 10 lugia that was worth 13 000 eight months ago yeah today it's worth a hundred and thirty thousand dollars suddenly these these kids got a hundred thousand dollars extra in their hand and they honestly aren't prepared to know what to do with that so i i think uh i think you know you shedding some light on that and even maybe in another video talking about you know when you suddenly come into he hit the lottery this is kind of like hitting the line it is yeah and and how should you react you know what what's you know what what should you be concentrating on it's too easy like when ball players get that first million dollar check it just goes out you know buy a car and just blow the money in that you know uh this isn't how life is you know you gotta you you gotta be smart and uh too many people don't know what i'm old enough where i wouldn't go crazy like that but most these kids that suddenly are sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars that they didn't expect they don't know what to do with it and a lot of them are making mistakes because i hear a lot about this yeah well if you had any call to action any anything you wanted to mention right at the end this is your time that camera right there say what you want to that camera let's see whatever you want yes my uh my main focus my main focus these days is our charity foundation which is the aoki foundation where we have blended brain health and autism into one into uh into under one umbrella and steve and i work very hard on on this charity and it's actually what you know what means the world you know to me now we have a little beautiful autistic daughter we understand what you know what uh is available to these kids and what these kids need and this is a very very valuable thing that i feel my remaining years i want to devote you know to autism and to brain health and working with somebody like steve aoki has been a godsend because he had all the infrastructure in place and and so we're you know we have such a good thing going we have events pokemon events other types of events some business things like what graham is going to be involved with you know coming up in a number of months uh anyway it's all about charity and it's all it's all about you know you know our brain health and autism aoki foundation dot org yes so yeah anybody anybody that every single donation means one 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going to be introducing the podcast what episode is this is it the 32nd yeah i think the 31st 32nd 32nd i think yeah because we got jack jordan so you're gonna say welcome to the 30 30 second ever episode of the iced coffee hour introduce yourself and then say the podcast has made so far 25 814 what was the first word again welcome to the all you need to remember 32 30 second ever then 25 8 14. 32 32nd ever what is b-roll oh we're going to get a close-up of this oh i see and then the b-roll is just going to be recorded separately so i'm going to put this oh okay so jack i'm going to have you stand right here and just record sure all right so just record this yes that camera and uh go is that the right side of the roadside road facing you go perfect