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Arthur Brooks outlines a three-step behavioral framework for overcoming addiction, which he argues applies universally to issues ranging from substance abuse to technology dependence like smartphone usage. The first step requires an internal rebellion where the individual must become angry enough at their situation that they refuse to accept being "wholly owned" by the addictive behavior or culture; without this spirit of defiance, recovery is impossible. Once ready to rebel, the second step involves implementing specific algorithms and protocols tailored to the particular addiction, utilizing scientific methods designed to help individuals stop engaging in the destructive habit. The most challenging phase, according to Brooks, is the third step: learning how to live with oneself again after breaking the distraction cycle. He explains that addictions often stem from a dislike of one's own mind or an inability to be "home" within oneself, leading people to seek relief through substances like alcohol or digital distractions. For those addicted to technology, this means confronting feelings of anger, depression, anxiety, and loneliness without the buffer of devices. Brooks emphasizes that true recovery requires sitting with these emotions in society, such as waiting at a red light or standing in a supermarket line without reaching for a phone, thereby relearning how to be present and alive in real life. To facilitate this transition, Brooks advocates for strict boundaries known as "protocols," noting that full detoxification is not always necessary; instead, establishing rules can suffice if one already maintains good habits like regular exercise and proper nutrition. He specifically highlights the importance of avoiding phone use during three critical periods: the first hour after waking to prevent negative neurocognitive programming while eating with loved ones fosters oxytocin release and kin bonds that are absent when looking at a screen, and the last hour before sleep to protect melatonin production and relationship intimacy. Furthermore, he insists on creating permanent "phone-free zones," such as bedrooms where devices should never be kept plugged in overnight, arguing that checking phones upon waking spikes cortisol levels and disrupts restorative sleep architecture. Brooks extends these principles to education, labeling the presence of smartphones in classrooms from kindergarten through PhD programs as a form of child abuse that interrupts learning and social development. He suggests implementing "technology fasts," recommending an annual 96-hour break where individuals prove their independence from devices; he shares his personal experience with four-day spiritual retreats without phones, describing how initial mental screaming subsides into calmness by the third day, eventually leading to a desire for such solitude year-round. While acknowledging that some may feel lost or unrecoverable due to addiction severity, Brooks asserts that recovery is absolutely possible through these structured approaches rather than just willpower alone. The discussion concludes with a distinction between behavioral fixes and deeper existential work; while protocols like phone-free times and zones address the mechanics of breaking the "doom loop," they do not automatically solve the underlying need for rebellion or the difficulty of being comfortable in one's own company again. Brooks notes that unlike heroin addiction, smartphone dependency can often be managed through lifestyle adjustments rather than medical intervention, provided individuals commit to these behavioral changes. He encourages listeners to view recovery as a foundational element for maintaining strength and functionality into their 30s, 40s, and beyond, suggesting that supporting the cellular machinery of life is just as important as pushing harder in training or work.
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What does fixing the doom loop look
like?
>> What does fixing it means clipping it.
It means cutting it at a particular
place. So, um all addictions, getting
out of addictions, they have sort of
three steps in common. It's It's really
behaviorally they have three steps in
common. Now, I'm not talking medically.
I'm not talking about the medical
interventions because that's different
for different things with gambling and
drinking and methamphetamine and
whatever.
But the three behavioral steps in
getting out of an addiction are number
one, you got to get pissed.
You got to get pissed. It's like, "This
is subjugating me. This is I'm in a cage
and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of
actually being a wholly owned subsidiary
of that company or this behavior or this
culture. I'm tired of it. I'm not going
to put up with it." You need to fight
back by rebelling. That's number one.
You need the spirit of rebellion. If
you're not ready to rebel, you're not
going to get out. Number two is you need
to figure out how to stop. You need to
actually have an algorithm. And that's
dependent on what the substance or
behavior actually is. There's different
ways to do it, but there's tons of
science in every area. If you can get
addicted to it, there's science that
tells you how to stop. Mm. And then the
third is you have to learn how to live
with yourself again.
Because you've been distracting yourself
from yourself. If you're addicted to
something, it means you didn't like
being home in your head. That's what it
comes down to.
>> Mm.
>> And, you know, if like I I haven't I
haven't had a drink since I was 38 years
old, right? And I remember in my 30s I
didn't like being home in my head.
Didn't like it. Didn't want to be there,
right? And so I left, right? I got a
little relief. I got a little vacation
in the bottle.
And it just it was going nowhere good
and it was really clear and then my dad
died and and and, you know, a couple of
people I cared about said,
"This you're That's your future." You
just saw your future. Right? And so I
stopped.
But it was The hard part was step three.
The hard part was actually being alone
with myself, being awake with myself,
being alive with myself is what it comes
down to. And that's probably even more
extreme for people who are very, very
online. Because you're trying to break
the doom loop of a technology is
breaking your brain, not letting you
find the meaning of your life, making
you angry and depressed, and anxious,
and lonely.
You're addicted, which is why you keep
doing these self-terrible,
self-destructive things to yourself. You
first you get pissed, and second you got
to quit, and look, I got the algorithms
to help you do that. But then, man,
you need your friends.
Like, you know, you need you need to
live in a society. You need to live, you
know, in people who are alive in real
life, and you have to
be able to sit behind
the wheel of your car at a red light
with nothing to do
in your thoughts,
right? And be in a supermarket checkout
line
without your phone.
And and walk before dawn
without a device.
And hear the crunch of the gravel under
your feet, and say that's the sound of
my feet on the path.
And that takes work.
>> How easy is it to recover from this? I
think a lot of people feel like they're
lost and
totally unrecoverable.
>> It's absolutely possible. I've seen it
again and again and again and again. I
mean, look, this is this
this is not heroin
that we're talking about here. I mean,
the the the process of detox, for
example, isn't You don't even have to
give up your phone.
You just have to put it in proper
boundaries, and have some rules in your
life, right? And and actually have some
proper habits. And you know, where our
life is if you have a fairly functional
life, you've got good habits already,
right? I mean, you get up at a certain
time, you work out every day,
you eat something you don't eat like an
11-year-old. I mean,
you have good habits. And then you just
put protocols around it. You know, it's
like Huberman talks about protocols, and
which has kind of infected the culture.
It's a culture of protocols. Um and and
I'm I'm an absolute believer in that
when it comes to your phone.
I mean, you you wake up in the morning,
if you can, don't look at it at all for
the first hour for neurocognitive
programming. If you're a journalist, or
you know, you have your job, you got to
look at it, make sure nothing's is fire,
but put it down. That's it for the hour,
right? First hour of the day.
While you eat, neurocognitive
programming while you eat is critically
important. It's best not to eat alone
and never eat with your device.
>> Why?
>> Brain is is actually your the the
neuropeptides in your brain, most
notably oxytocin, uh they flow very
liberally when you're eating with
somebody. This is how, you know, Homo
sapiens would establish and and foster
kin bonds
is by sitting around a campfire, putting
pieces of yak meat into their mouths,
discussing their day and looking into
each others' eyes. That's how we're
wired. If you have a phone on the table
while you eat, or God forbid if you're
looking at it, there's no the none of
this neurochemistry happens.
>> What if you're in your room?
>> Then, um you might read a book.
You might listen to music.
But don't look at your phone.
>> Um there's a meme online of a guy
starves to death even though he had food
because he couldn't watch YouTube cuz
his phone had run out of a
>> Or or it's like or or died of sepsis cuz
he didn't go to the bathroom.
>> Yeah.
>> He couldn't take his phone in there. So,
and last but not least it's the last
hour of the day. Now, that part of that
is sleep architecture and blue light,
etc. etc. The pineal gland, melatonin,
yada yada. We all know the physiology of
that. But part of that is just the way
that you actually understand yourself at
the end of your day and get ready to
rest. If you're living with your
partner, that's critically important to
your relationship is not to be looking
at your device in the last hour so you
can be at fully present as you drift off
to sleep together. That's super super
important for your relationship. But
just those three things.
Then there's phone-free zones. You
shouldn't have your phone in the
bedroom, ever ever ever ever, because I
mean, God forbid you get up to pee at
3:00 in the morning and look at your
phone. That's a big mistake.
>> lover.
>> Well, I mean, it's it's your pineal
gland shuts off, right? No more
melatonin for you.
And and so, which is problematic on its
face, but it's also you just you you
spike your cortisol. I mean, it's bad
stuff happens to you. So, the phone
should be in a different floor, in a
closet
plugged in some place from
the hour before you go to bed until the
after an hour after you get up. That's
number one. It's a phone-free zone.
Second is that that I mean this is just
you know basic public policy. There
shouldn't be a
a phone in any classroom in any school
in the world between kindergarten and
PhD.
It is complete insanity. Because it
interrupts everything that we're
actually trying to do and it's it's
child abuse
that there's phones in classrooms. You
know, there's and And the most important
hour they shouldn't have phones is
during lunch by the way. Mhm. Because
they need to
>> even worse. It shouldn't be in a
classroom and it definitely shouldn't be
in a cafeteria.
>> I mean most of what's going on in the
classroom is not that interesting to
begin with. I mean, I don't think I ever
learned anything in public school. I
think it was mostly babysitting, but
>> Yeah.
>> But you know, at least I had friends
and and and they don't have friends.
And then and then people need phone
fasts. They need technology fasts. I
recommend 96 hours a year is kind of
where this is and there's a little bit
of research on this that shows that this
actually can break the relationship that
you have. So you prove to yourself that
you actually don't need it and you're
kind of in a state of bliss by the
fourth day.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, it's really really I mean I go
on a spiritual retreat every year for 4
days. No phone. Oh, it's great. First
day it's like children screaming in my
head.
>> Yeah.
>> Second day I'm calming down for it.
Third day I like it. The fourth day I
wish it were the whole year.
>> Mhm.
>> That's what it comes down to. But just
those things. Phone-free times,
phone-free zones, phone fasts can re-
can can can can do this part two. This
does not give you part one, which is
rebellion, or part three, which is you
got to get comfortable back with
yourself.
>> Mhm.
>> Different processes.
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