Identus Community Call - 2026/09/01

Mhm. >> Hello. >> Hello, how are you? >> How are you? I'm okay. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay, cool. >> Yeah, like you know, we have a like cotton season right now. Like a 45°. On the afternoon. On the afternoon and on the night is like 15. It's a very big difference, so you know. It's easy to get cold. >> Hi guys. >> Hello. >> CD. Welcome Arun. Hi Yuli. Let's wait 1 minute probably for about Okay, in the meanwhile, I will share my desktop with the deck. Oh, let me think about. And if you don't mind, I will start. Anyway, we have recording. So, welcome everyone to the Hyperledger Identity Community Call. It's a 1st of December. And I don't know if you celebrate this day, but usually it's a day of knowledge when all kids go to school and have fun next [clears throat] 9 or 10 months studying different stuff. So, uh Yep, nice holiday. Uh As usual, we have anti-trust policy notice defined by Linux Foundation the decentralized trust about the right behavior and uh uh Don't be a spy on this meeting and don't blame us on other networks after this meeting. If it's in short. And code of conduct another complement to the uh right behavior that we have to stick at this meeting. I believe that you also read it a lot of times. If not, you're welcome to do this. And uh On today's meeting, we have uh pretty small agenda, but I believe that it's going to be a really interesting because our own channel in this meeting and he will tell us something interesting. But before this I wanted to ask Saidi if he has any updates about um ident- tity portal that he's working on. And do we do you have any blockers or want to show something? >> Yeah, I have a short update. May I share my screen? >> Yes, I need to stop sharing the screen first. Now, yep. >> Does everyone see? >> Um yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah, okay. We I have a very short update since I missed the last meeting. I was due to the health care. I was missed last call, but since that we we have I have a several merged PRs. So, as you know, you're unhappy the phase one is done. We are also about finishing phase three and two, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Uh The way I left on the phase two, uh right now I think today the portal can create uh the ID, read it, and publish them to the chain. Uh The The human management is now for the local agent. Both agents the uh but the force uh only screens are left, I think. Yeah. This is somewhere Yeah, it's uh Yeah. So, the only block rate I think is a now PR 92, which is a step out. Uh Is the key uh Looks like uh there is a some uh bug, I think. I don't think so on the SDK or on the portal. Uh I don't know. Uh >> Yeah, we'll we'll take a look together at that. >> Yeah, yeah, after that uh because it's I think definitely I believe that definitely there is a some bug, but I don't know. I couldn't find it and resolve it. So, right now we we are on the here, yeah. Yeah, that's all. It's a very short one. >> once you finish So, at the beginning there is the difficult and complex part of managing the DID-related resources and all that. The rest is already bundled and battle-tested in the SDK, so I hope that phase four and phase five will complete the project and will be slightly easier in terms of complexity. And just to add to what you said, Yuri, we also shared the middle-term mentorship update. Uh in general, I think Said did a great implementing the phases that were specified, and it is true that we need to kind of push harder for the next uh two phases, but yeah. I I think uh that we can be pretty pretty happy with the progress. >> Awesome. Thank you, Said, and thank you, Javier. Uh cool. Let me give the floor for Arun. Arun, thank you for joining. Can you introduce yourself and tell us what are you going to show us? >> Yes, Arone. Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me okay? >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. Sure. Hi everyone. My name is Arone. I'm a pharmacist um working in GP practice. And today I'll be showing you how we could potentially use barcode in to help onboard non-technical builder to use the Identix ecosystem. So, let me share my screen for a moment. >> And Arone, can you probably switch your microphone from a laptop to your uh headset? Cuz we hear the background noise in your office. >> Oh, um sorry. I'm trying to see >> Yeah, just check Zoom. There are two microphones, the building and the garniture microphone. >> Uh can you see me better now? This is No. Mike. Check Mike. Um is it better now? >> I guess yes. >> Uh okay. I think it was a bit Um uh thank you. So, hi everyone. My name is Arone. I'm a pharmacist working in the NHS. And today I'll be showing you some of the tools that we can use to help onboard non-technical builders to the Hyperledger Identix ecosystem. So, I'm going to share my screen now. Uh screen number two, entire screen. Can everyone see my screen? >> Yep. >> Okay. So, what I've done um I think last month is to build three apps uh for Identix. And I was wanted to simplify Identix development by using flow fly.io uh because many technical non-technical people like myself, because I'm a Lovable Ambassador. When I first started at the end of December with Docker, I didn't know how to do npm install, npm run dev. That was all new to me. Uh so, that's why I was a big fan of uh web coding. So, I've created three apps. And um It's uh Oh, yeah. So, uh yes. So, if someone that was completely new to the Hyperledger Hyperledger Identity ecosystem, they would probably get confused if they're not technical, because they have to, for example, have a cloud agent, a personal, Postgres, publish DID with the right purpose. So, it's a big learning curve even for me using Lovable. I think it took me 5 hours just to get my first DID published. Um so, I've done uh three apps, a catalyst, which is basically ready-made prompt for anyone to copy and paste into Lovable, a base 44 replit, anything. It's basically everyone for the same formulation, the formula, right? Uh then I explored the Identities Hub, which kind of explained all the key document for Hyperledger Identity and the NHS use cases to make it relevant for anyone that want to bring identities to healthcare, but you can adapt it for any ecosystem, like financial, uh for the insurance field, anything goes. That's just one specific use case. And IPS Compass is basically International Patient Summary, which is an existing stack available uh an open source. And I combined it with uh Identities Hyperledger, and I also combined it with Midnight, because I'm also a Midnight uh a light builder, and a night alpha uh night force alpha, yes. And um so, yes. So, because I'm a pharmacist, I'm also a dancer. I was curious to see how we could implement identities in a creative industry across 10 different field, which is dancing, music, film, fashion, anything goes. And basically, what I did was for across the four primitive of DID, connection, credential, and verify, for each topic, I had 25 prompt or mega prompt or yeah, master prompt. I think that's the best way to describe it. And that's basically the structure of it, where you have a brief description of what the prompt is, um the API that's being used and the code block. And it's all um self- contained. So, you don't need any skill from my website. You can just copy the prompt as it is quite long. I also included the LLM full text for anyone to just copy and paste into the LLM to fast-track the knowledge very quickly. >> [snorts] >> Um And there's three mode. There is simulated, uh if they wanted to do like stop demo, there's the Docker version if they want to give it a try or flow.io in case they don't rely on a computer, they can do it through the cloud using flow.io. And um some of the things that kind of cost me a lot of time, but I was a good learning experience cuz I was a challenge for me and lovable is the Postgres. So, basically, initially we used Postgres 16 and it didn't was not compatible with flow.io. So, we had to uh go to an older version of 13 Alpine. And then we also needed to create rules. So, what I did every time it was not working, I had to go to the flow.io logs, take a screenshot pointing lovable back and forth, and eventually it worked. And uh yeah, our session method was one of the important points. Uh it also asked for a wallet seed. And eventually, I was able to debug and work. And um so yes, I've created the LLM full text so anyone can get started fairly quickly, especially if they want to fill this getting to open clue MS or open code, which is another one that's quite good. And so, [snorts] this my Yeah. So, basically, I've used the NHS use cases for single patient record, which is really use cases in the NHS that they're looking to integrate um aggregate information from the patient and GP practice in hospital and pharmacy to the dentist, the optometrist, and health and social care into one. So, this is a government initiative called NHS single patient record. Um I've kind of developed a console, so it's like easy for if you're creating a health care app to have everything in one place. And then you have your client, which can be hospital, government, you name it. Um I then also did a demo for Argenti Commerce using the open source protocol for Google for A2A, AP2, EZP, and X42. And uh Yes, this was the architecture for the international personal summary. And I was basically having both uh images on flow.io for midnight and identities. That was quite an interesting challenge, but I managed to make it work. Um Those some of the things that could have like learning information for next time to have like a clean wrist interface. Uh like some of the information that could be an issue for people starting off. And um Yes, so those are the app I've created, which I'll show now. So, that's how the website looks like. And it's all open source on the repo out here. And public, so you feel free to take it, remix it, fork it, and improve on it. And basically, for example, if I was to pick like dancing because I'm a dancer, I could dancing. And let's say I want to use DID for let's say choreographer credential in a dance school, for example. Then it kind of explain what is a primitive uh that's being used. And uh that's three mode. So, for example, if I use uh Docker, it just kind of explain the base, the app API key, and that's the prompt. That's done automatically. As you can see, it's quite long. It's basically to aim to one-shot apps. Also talks about the total addressable market for the topic at hand. And if I was to pick, let's say flow.io, then the prompt would accordingly change as well. To make it a specific to flow.io. If you just want to simulate it, then once again, the prompt is adapted. I just click uh copy prompt. So, if I was to uh paste it here, that's the prompt copied in one click. And then I can use lovable. Um then if someone wants to learn more about it, it kind of explain how it was built, the strategy behind it. Uh the rules, uh a primer as well to explain what is DID, the core primitive. And uh the about page, and there's also the element full text. If people wanted to use it in your LLM. And it's all public uh open source. And then this is the app I created. So, normally it is lovable, but I run out of lovable cloud credits, so that's why it's paused, but it works normally. And basically is explain how we use ZKP. Some of these cases are in commerce SDK, simulated docker flow.io. And basically, I was able to create this app and then the learning I put it back into the into that website. So, it's like basically up-to-date. And it's kind of explain about the the guide. The learning you can Okay. You kind of explain what is it. Um and there's some demo as well for X42. It won't work right now because of a cloud, but if you were to fork it into your computer, it really work for sure. Uh explaining what is web 2 and web 3 for someone that's completely new to uh Identis. And also explaining how could DID could be incorporated with the AI agent. It's all there. And they could demo. And also like step-by-step how it looks like. I don't know if you really work, but I can't draw I don't think it work because I don't have cloud enabled. Uh delegation, the open source, and FAQ what is DID. It's all there. And the NHS specific use cases. So, this is the the NHS government initiative like I was mentioning. That's a real project. And um it kind of show you use cases on portability, which is a bit similar to what the previous speaker was talking about. And the pharmacist like medication request. And agent-to-agent mode. And the docs as well. Um so, it's linking up to the Identis uh GitHub repo as well. Specifically, if someone want to delve deeper in it. Uh then this is how the dashboard looks like. So, once again, I don't have the cloud enabled properly, so it's not working properly yet. Uh but you normally have a dashboard. You have the Identis on one side and the Medha deployed on the other side. It kind of gets stuck here because Lovable is suspended at the moment. But otherwise, it allow you to create your own patient summary, uh create your own dashboard for Identix, and issue credential, and this is for midnight. That's up and running, so you can deploy contract. I can verify project if needed and does activities all the way from 16th of August when it was working fine. Uh once again, all the repo is available. And I think that'll be the end of my talk. I mean, does anyone have any question or any clarification needed? >> Uh thank you everyone. Looks very powerful and let me ask guys to ask questions, then I will ask mine. >> Yeah, it was only 20th of August. >> Say, do you have you but do you have any questions? >> And I share the the link as well for people. I mean >> No questions here, but really good job for for doing that. >> It's fine. Can you comment on the Identix? >> Um a pleasure. Um I think I knew about Identix back in 20 24. By the time I did not about Lovable, so I kind of knew the concept, but I was referring to people I I want to do a similar project using Identix, but couldn't showcase it. So, nearly took me 2 years to finally get the knowledge and Lovable to become more powerful for me to do this. I'm glad that you finding value in entities and that's my contribution to the Identix ecosystem. Um it's just related about GitHub repo, yes? >> If you don't mind, it would be pleasure for us to add your projects to the community projects uh on the Identix landing page. Uh we have uh Block Trust, Socials, and uh other companies uh with particular links and C-Sign as well. And then I wonder, do you need to pay for hosting to host these three demo applications? >> I don't know. So, um because I'm a lovable ambassador, it's it's free, basically. It's just the fly.io that's costing me money. So, for the purpose of the demo, I I re-enabled fly.io. But, uh normally what I tend to do afterward is to, uh for example, go here and then uh I'll click on destroy both. So, it doesn't cost me any billing credit on my fly.io. But, if someone wanted to fork it and you have a better I guess back end than fly.io or one that's ideal for Identus, then feel free to tweak it to use your own deployed cloud back end if they did. >> So, we are currently um experimenting with different uh AI integrations to help us maintain Identus platform. And as other uh projects like Midnight or I don't know. Did it it absolutely makes sense to create a skill or Yep, we need to start with skill, probably MPC, MCP, uh uh later, but the skill that can help to build solutions using Identus. And I guess that you did a very good progress here. Uh I >> Thank you. >> I want to uh clarify these tasks, if this task that probably exists or we need to create it because we discussed the idea having the skill. Uh and I guess together with Spot, because Spot is experimenting right now on software factory for Ident those platform. We can create this skill and host it on their Hyperledger Ident those repository with links from the documentation. So it should be >> This 52 is this to create a skill as well. And I think I created the identity skill. Um I don't think I've added it to the website yet, but I can certainly um Um what's it called? I can add the skill into the website if needed. I completely forgot about it, but basically it's this into a lovable skill, but you can adapt it to make it open close specific. Uh make it specific to Hamish, make it specific to open code. >> If you don't mind, we would be happy to use your work and host >> please. Open source. >> some Ident those stuff. I believe that but and me will add something that might be added to improve particular uh experience, but I don't really want us to create one more skill and then have two skills, one >> [laughter] >> created by you and another created by us to help Ident those community to build any solution. Uh >> And the other thing I was going to mention is um I'm currently taking part in a hackathon organized by Continuum. And basically I was able to use the Ident to skill to do some quantum work around it. So it's like quantum DID basically. Um so that's the skill if you wanted to look into it, but you can use con- um quantum stack software stack and combine it with Ident to stack. I've done it. Uh it's not published and released publicly because I'm still working on it, but once my project is uh available in the public, then I'll make sure to fill it up. You can use this to combine it easily with the ID to create quantum DID. >> Yep. And you mentioned that you are working on midnight stack as well. And here >> Oh, yes. I Yes. I yes. >> to share with you that we are also actively contribute to midnight self-sovereign identity stack. And Do you know that there is a midnight DID component? In IdenTrust, we have Prism DID, and the DID method that is backed by the Cardano blockchain. And we also recently created midnight DID that is backed by midnight blockchain. >> That's amazing. Uh I [clears throat] think I kind of knew about midnight at IdenTrust. Um I think I haven't put it in the showcase. I think this is the midnight version of the prompt. But think I'm Yes, you see. I also put it on the showcase for IdenTrust on midnight here. >> Yeah. And we are thinking about adopting midnight components to the IdenTrust uh platform. And probably this year. I share the link with midnight network midnight DID. >> Uh Thank you so much. I make sure to check it out. >> In theory, um SDK TS and cloud agent should be able to create and manage midnight DID in the same way as Prism DID. And the reason why we created this new DID is just because of specific job job signature. And usually identity uh it's easy to use DID peer DID web or any other DIDs that independent from the blockchain. But as soon as you build something for some blockchain, it's uh, usually um not a good architecture decision to use another blockchain uh, for DID and uh, some other blockchain over for so much. So, this midnight DID is backed uh, up by uh, smart contract and it supports uh, job job um, cryptography as one of the verification method. >> That's amazing. >> If you need any help with midnight verifiable credentials because we are also working on similar project. It's uh, currently in active development. Uh, but you can take a look and tell us what use case you would like to implement using uh, midnight verifiable credentials. Uh, we can help you to prototype it and you can create a repository with the credential family for your use case and the use it in issuer, verifiers and smart contract. >> So, thank you so much. >> We are happy to help you with integrating this components. It's still version 0.1 or 0.5 but it might be useful for your hackathons and other prototypes. >> Definitely. I'll make sure to use those two link into lovable to upgrade the app I have so far. 100%. >> Yeah. So, let's [snorts] communicate in uh, Discord. Uh, we will define action items like issue for skill and we will add your links to the documentation and to the uh, landing page of the Identos portal. >> Thank you so much >> Probably final question from my side. Uh, why you choose to use Identos or how do thought >> thanks Thanks uh, Johnny. I don't know if you know Johnny. I think his name is Yeah, his name is Johnny. So he was telling me about Identis when I was joined the midnight server and telling me about DID. So when he told me about Identis, that's when I understood about this. And I think I joined the Discord server back then, but I didn't have the technical knowledge to make it happen because Laravel back then wasn't that strong in terms of complex app. Good for simpler app, but not complex app. So I've been keeping in touch about Identis by Johnny. Who's part of the Discord as well. That I knew about this. >> Okay. And we might consider to fix this difficulties that you face at when you try to implement something. >> Thank you. >> Might be useful feedback for all of us. >> And plus when you create the Identis skill is going to fast track everything, isn't it? People can just put the Identis skill into Laravel open core Hermes and can fix all the thing in one one skill set. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. >> And guys, applause to Aaron for nice work and nice >> Thank you. Thank you, Aaron. >> Thanks. >> Thank you, Aaron. Thank you. >> And Aaron, you said that you were a pharmacist? >> Yes, I work I mean GP practice now. >> Yeah, it's amazing amazing background and amazing switch. So good job, man. Good job. It makes it more special. If you think [laughter] about it. >> Thank you. I think it's my doctor's brain and pharmacist's brain trying to get new ideas. Yeah. >> Yeah. I ask ask one of us to go to do something that only a pharmacist could do, you know. We we could not do it probably. >> It's all about knowledge knowledge exchange, isn't it? And cross-pollination of ideas. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Aaron, if you know the flows and process in pharmacy industry, you can try to prototype and demonstrate to somebody interested the solutions with prescriptions and some other documents on top of Midnight network. Midnight allows you to separate private data and public data and use zero-knowledge proofs in smart to build different use cases. So, patient can go to pharmacy and ask for some drugs based on his verifiable credentials and the doctor will not know who is this guy, but will be assured that this guy should receive particular drugs or other medicine in a privacy-preserving manner. >> Yes, definitely. I mean, like I've been in the health system since 2012. Um so, I think the IPA was my first experiment because that's like not specific to NHS. It's open to everyone. If I should show you the website, it might make more sense. IPA uh IPS patient. I'll share the link in the chat. But yeah, this is open to all the health country, um which is why I felt it would be a good starting point because not many builders are from UK specifically. But like you said, 100% it can be adapted. I've shared the link to the IPS, uh which is what I use as the strongest cases. Uh but yeah, I can definitely start prototyping like you said, the prescription model for pharmacies and doctors. >> And we can help you to prototype and define the schema for verifiable credential, verifiable presentation if you uh know particular cases. So, it will be a good solution. >> Actually thinking about it, like if that's okay, uh, no pressure. So, right now I'm doing the the hackathon challenge. Uh, I'll share the link on Singapore continuum. And the deadline for submission, first submission, is um uh, 15th of October. So, potentially what I can do is once I've solidified the quantum stack, is to work on the DIT stack as part of my submission. Uh, I'll share the link in the chat. Uh, so I think this would be the biggest uh opening growth opportunity uh, because my use cases is NHS specific. I think I do have a link. Uh, let me share it as well. Uh, Arun Nadarasa. Uh, Arun Nadarasa. Let me find you the link so you can check it up. I think it'd be quite cool to um um, what's the word again in English? To prototype this scheme like you said, cuz then it gets shown to judges and stuff. Uh, Arun Nadarasa. Nadarasa. Oh, yeah, sorry. My bad. I was just trying to find the link. Uh, search GitHub. GitHub. Uh Not this one. Uh Yes, one of them. Arun Nadarasa. Arun Nadarasa dot GitHub dot io {slash} NHS. Sept 2026. Uh yes, I shared the link. So, this is a team project. Uh so, perhaps um Well, from now till maybe in the next 2 3 weeks, I could touch base with you, Yuri, uh to see how we could use identities for this app, which is basically a an SS app by using content. And um I think that'd be quite interesting if you develop, because then it'd be a stronger submission as well. And there's a learning for us, and there's a learning for identities, and there's learning for continuum. So, yeah. So, yeah, this is the public-facing information, and then this is our team page, but this is more than enough to give you a quick idea of what's what's going on, basically. So, yeah. >> Okay, we will take a look at them. If you want, we can help you with some advices next week. >> Okay, thank you so much, everyone. So, I need to dash off. I've got my clinic, but it was nice to meet you. Thank you, everyone. Bye. >> Yes. Thank you, everyone. Uh guys, any other questions or we can close the meeting? It was a nice one, I believe. >> All good. >> Cool. Excellent. See you in 1 week, and then thank you for joining and spending time here in this awesome company. See you. Bye-bye. >> Thank you, everyone. Good job. Bye-bye.