"I Need Help!" Tavarish Breaks Silence on $2M McLaren P1, Financial Crisis, & WhistlinDiesel Arrest

Why don't you just finish the P1? I'm in way over my head. I always [music] look at cars for what they could be. You ever just take your Porsche 918 for a walk? What is something that would be the most entertaining, most captivating, most engaging thing [music] I can put out that I could be proud of? This is my 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder, but it had a really, really bad day. I don't have millions and millions of dollars. All I can do is like what happens [music] in my head. >> Can I make that into reality? Probably, maybe, who knows. And that's what I put into the cars. When did it start to go wrong? If you're a car guy, coming here, working on these cars [music] day in and day out, it's really cool in the beginning. After a while, it just becomes normal, but then it becomes a nightmare. So, would you quit the [music] channel? Freddy, thank you so much for coming on the Iced Coffee Hour. Well, uh it's it's nice to be here again. Um yeah, we're we're here at my shop. Uh You guys are You guys have been awesome. You guys have been awesome throughout this whole like Last time we did this, it was Well, it was like a year ago? >> A year ago. Okay. Well, I mean, yeah, a a lot A lot has happened in a year, but uh also like I I really liked the reception of the last one. Um also, I don't know what you're going to ask me this time. So, it's a >> [laughter] >> Oh my gosh. Well, you've done quite a bit over the last year. You're the only one touching these hypercars that no one else will go near. You have the Porsche 918 that you just bought with the fire damage. This is like a a $2.5 million car that you were able to buy for like $150,000. You have that. You have the McLaren P1 that you're still fixing up. Uh you have the $500,000 Aventador Yes, yeah, yeah. >> to that. What's the fixed up value of your garage? >> [laughter] >> So, I think I just put this into a spreadsheet. So, like let's say retail value of everything even with like the weird title stuff, it's it's like around between four and six million dollars, but most of that is like the P1 and 918. Uh the 918s um like the 918 Spyders have sort of run away a little bit. They used to be uh between like one and a half to two million dollars, and now they're like a a crappy one, not a crappy one, but like one that has some miles, like a driver's car, is probably two and a half, and a really good one is like three plus. So, that is like now this is in a in a whole whole new world that I am not like part of at all. Um so, it is it is pretty crazy. Uh the same thing with the P1. Like before, you can buy a P1 like some P1s were under a million dollars, and now they're they're like people are asking 2.3, um which is which is nuts. So, maybe it's just an inflation thing. I don't know, you guys can tell tell me about that, but um I wish I knew more about the hypercar market, but it just seems like it's just going up and up and up. >> Do you have any idea why it's that specific car that's gone up so much? Cuz I feel like that's outpaced most other hypercars in the market. >> So, the the reason why is because uh well, the P1, the 918 Spyder, and the LaFerrari uh were the hypercar holy trinity. They were the first hybrid hypercars uh made around 2011 to 2013, and uh they were in competition with one another. And um it was really significant. I think they're they're probably the last like truly significant supercars uh at least like in in my lifetime. Um and I think because of that, there's like a an aura around them. Uh now, it doesn't really make sense from a like a market cap standpoint because the 918, they made 918 of those cars. The P1 is the rarest with which uh with 375, and then the LaFerrari, they had 500, well, 499 plus one for the Pope. And then they made they had some uh some Aperturas, which is the convertible one. So, realistically, you'd think that the P1 would be, you know, the rarest and and most collectible, but it's not. It's actually the cheapest. Um but it it like all those cars are sort of sort of going up. Um so, hopefully in 5 10 years, maybe they'll be I I don't know, four five million dollar cars. Uh the the Ferrari, the LaFerrari is already there. It's already a five million dollar car. The Aperturas are like seven, which is more money than I think anybody should ever spend on an automobile. How much did you spend on the 918? Uh about $145,000. What I thought was hilarious is that you spent $145,000 on that car, but then one singular part that you needed for the car, the most expensive part, how much was that? So, that was uh I I needed the the rear subframe. That's 150 grand. So, you spent more on one part for a car than you did on the entire car. >> Yes. Uh I mean, and the reason why is because that car is completely made of carbon fiber. It's like the the the frame, the monocoque chassis, the uh the bodywork, all of that stuff is carbon fiber, and it's only for that car. So, Porsche does this thing where they will use parts from other cars. Like the rear wheel steering from that car is actually from a a 991, uh like Porsche 911. Um there's a a lot of sensors and uh switches and stuff like that that you can find in other Porsches. And even the key is the exact same key that you get in a Boxster. Um so, they they could save a lot of money uh like that, but then all the engineering, like the hybrid system and the engine and all that stuff was only specific to that car. So, all that stuff super expensive. I mean, we're talking like the if I needed to get a new engine block, it's 250 grand. Um you know, the transmission, which is like it's derivative of the regular dual clutch PDK thing that that goes into every other Porsche, but it's not exactly the same. So, it's like another 160 grand. So, if I, you know, if I needed those things, then it would be quite a like really, really expensive proposition. Take a guess how much will you spend on this car to completion? I think So, I I did a tally on one of my videos. I think it was going to be like 600 or something uh like to to to the end of it, but I think if I can get things like at a good deal uh cuz that What's what's funny is that when you make videos like this, people come out of the woodwork, and they go, "Actually, I have this part and this part and this part." And the 918 used parts community is There's not really one, but like if somebody is hoarding parts, they go, "Oh, well, I can I can charge whatever I want." But the problem is, you're not going to sell it to anybody because the person that buys a 918 Spyder um and let's say it needs some work, they're going to Porsche to get it because Porsche still has all the parts available, but they're just expensive. But if you buy a three million dollar car, why wouldn't you take it to the dealer to, you know, have all the um the resale value that you can get? Do they just continually make the parts as they're requested? >> So, they are When I when I go uh to order things from Porsche, um they have like special order, so it's SO. Uh so, you put in order, and then they go, I don't know, go to Germany and wake up the guy that that makes the carbon fiber, and they go, "You have to make one more." So, uh may maybe um you know, maybe they have a shelf full of 918 parts. I kind of doubt it. Um but I think a lot of these are just like made to order, but they have the tooling. And what's great about Porsche uh over like something like McLaren, you know, because, you know, rebuilding the P1 is is different. Um Porsche is like I I like to I like to say it like this. Uh Porsche is an actual company, and uh they have like actual stock, and they make parts, and they uh test their parts. Uh so, they don't just like uh make a car, and then their customers are the beta testers. Porsche, you know when they put out a car, this thing has been all over the world. It's been uh tested in lots of different scenarios, and every single one of these parts has probably had some hundreds of thousands of iterations on on their other cars, so they go, "Oh, no, this is like the best thing that we can do, and this is good for this many actuations or or whatever." So, it's um and also, Porsche's engineering is is fantastic. So, I think um with the 918 rebuild, it's uh it's different at least for me because I am also not going to be doing anything crazy with it. Like with the with the P1, we're literally redesigning the entire car. We're making like an entire car from scratch. Uh engineering, aerodynamics, everything. With the Porsche, that's going to be like an OEM rebuild. Can the average person profit from rebuilding these cars? That is a really good question because it all depends on what your what your attention to detail ultimately is. Um if you want everything to be 100%, and you want everything to be OEM, and you're buying parts from the dealer, then probably not. Um the reason why I do this um and, you know, rebuild these cars is because I enjoy the story. I enjoy adding to the car story. I like seeing that the cars are um in bad shape, and then this presents unique like unique problems for me to solve. That's the only reason why I do it, and also because I can put it on my YouTube channel, um and that allows me to share it with other people, and also make money from that. If I didn't have the YouTube channel, and it was just me trying to flip cars, this would make no sense. And that's how you get a lot of people um that are like almost like a buy here, pay here uh mentality where you take these cars, you might get a you know, a Copart car, and you go, "Well, if I put a bumper on that, then it'll hide all the frame damage behind it, and then I'll I'll kick it off to the next guy, and then, you know, by the fourth or fifth owner, um and uh they they take the bumper off, and they go, "Oh my god. Like this is uh this is way worse than I thought." And that that was sort of the deal with my Aventador because it's been through like lots of lots of people. And you know, when I when I took it apart, realized that oh, it had frame damage that somebody had like fixed and they just they just botched it. So, I can't let things like that go. And it's to the point where you can't just fix it, you have to replace it. So, yeah, like most people I think would have a hard time doing rebuilds doing rebuilds and then profiting off of it. And I think a lot of there have been a lot of videos on YouTube talking about like, "Oh, here's the reality of doing the one of these." And you know, that like me and like Matt Armstrong or Rich Rebuilds or whoever's doing these these rebuilds, they they are painting like an unrealistic picture. But I I think I'm doing it just because I I love learning about the cars. I love learning about the platform and then solving interesting problems. How do you make sure you don't lose a ton of money on this though? Oh, I I always lose a ton of money. Well, I mean losing a ton of money it it all depends. It all it all depends because what do you cuz my idea of losing a ton of money is different from your idea of losing a ton of money. Like what would you Like let's let's define terms here. >> Cuz here's the thing. I mean, you could get money back on the YouTube channel and your brand. How do you make sure you don't buy a car that needs a million dollars worth of repairs and you're never going to make that from your channel on the videos. Well, the idea is so I take I take into account the growth of the channel. I take into account because like if you're if you're growing a business, that comes with a cost, right? So, if I buy a car and it's it's a it's a crazy amount of money or I take out a loan on it or something like that, that is the cost of doing business. That is the cost of growth. That is the cost of you know, me trying to expand into other avenues or other horizons. And then then that forces me to monetize in different ways. So, whether it's like taking the same content and putting out on different platforms or like merch or you know, working with other people or getting different sponsors. Like that forces me to do those things that helps the business, you know, just down the line anyway. So, he's a possibility-based person. >> Exactly. >> Right? So, so we were talking to Tony Robbins and he'd explained two different types of people, the necessity-based and what was it? The positive possibility-based. The necessity-based Graham explained, yeah, this is new for me. So, the necessity-based, you do something because you have to do it. Right. The possibility-based, you do it because of the possibility of what could happen. So, for me, I like to do the necessity-based. What what needs to get done right now to get to the next step. Jack is like, what can we do right now for the possibility of something new? I think I've always been that possibility. I mean, it's I don't think it's a it's a dichotomy, right? There has to be a percentage of one or the other because you have to do things because you have like there's certain amount of things you have to do because you just have to. You have necessities, everybody does. But for me, I always look at cars for what they could be, what what the best possible storyline I could make with this car. And every time I make a video, I go, "Okay, what do I have in front of me? And what is something that would be the most entertaining, most captivating, most engaging thing I can put out that I could be proud of." So, a lot of people also, you know, my commenters and viewers, you know, I am not the the most consistent in terms of like upload and and stuff like that. But I think because of that, I have to do something where if I when I do put out a video, it has to be good. It has to feel like an event. It's like, "Oh, this guy dropped a video. It's a 2-hour long video about, you know, X, Y, and Z. I'm going to watch it and it's going to take you on a journey, you know?" Like and and hopefully that's the that's that's the draw. From a business perspective though, wouldn't it make more sense to hire one extra person, pay them a hundred thousand dollars a year, and then their sole job is to make one extra video, let's say every two or three months? Mhm. That and then that'll easily pay for them. It will grow the channel. You'll get more subscribers, more views, you'll make more money. And it's that seems like a very scalable in that regard. It it does. So, I've done that and I've done that before. The issue is YouTube is a thing where it ebbs and flows. And sometimes and like when you're dealing with people, I wish it could be like, "All right, I'm giving you a task and then you have to like complete this task." Whether it's shooting or editing or or you know, working in the shop or or whatever. In this field specifically, you know, like I have ADHD obviously because you know, you see all the all the cars you know, the kind of eclectic collection and the the million unfinished projects that that I have that are that are just all in pending states that that need something. I tend to attract that sort of person. And it's very hard for me to get a person that doesn't have those qualities because otherwise they wouldn't be attracted to this kind of job. Would you rather quit YouTube forever or never own a supercar hypercar ever again? So, I would still do YouTube or You would still do YouTube, but you could never own a hypercar or a supercar ever again or stop doing YouTube and you could own supercars and hypercars. So, I I will ask a qualifier. I know I know that this is like the hypothetical is you don't want to ask. >> car or less or what is it? Well, well, will people know that I did these kind of cars before? If if if everyone's memory was erased and I can do clean clean slate, but I can never touch one of these cars. Yeah. >> Yeah. I would probably do that. Because >> doing YouTube. >> Correct. Because I could still make stories cuz the what I've learned is it doesn't matter what the cost of the car is. You could make a really good living. You can make a really good story out of cars or experiences or or something that people can resonate with. So, you know, I did a a video on a thousand dollar Nissan Maxima which is like a spitting image of my first car. And that ended up getting two million views, you know? But it took me three months to do and I tried to you know, make the most engaging story out of it. But it didn't cost me hundreds of thousands dollars to do, you know? It was it was still like I was out 3,500 bucks on the whole project. It was a lot of time and it was it was interesting because I you know, two months into it, I'm in the shop at like 3:00 in the morning working on this Maxima that I bought for next to nothing. And I'm looking over and I see like the P1 taken apart. I see an Aventador taken apart and I say, "At the end of those projects, like I have a P1 and I have an Aventador, really cool cars. At the end of this, I have a car that's worth 2,500 dollars." So, like what why why am I what am I doing? But it's the sentimental value and I think that translates just as much as these do. But you have to spend time on educating the viewer as to why it's cool. Like I might have to tell people why the 1998 Nissan Maxima was a big deal for me when I was 18. I don't have to tell people why a Ferrari or a Lamborghini is a big deal. They already know. Now, we're always trying to keep consistent with our protein, working out, and eating healthy. But sometimes life just doesn't care about your macros. 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So, I think with that, I want to redo everything to like the standards of today because standards of 2017 Freddy when you know, I was working in my two-car garage and I and really didn't have any sort of resources to put into any of this stuff and I've never worked on any supercars or hypercars or exotic cars. That was you know, that was a shoestring budget. So, I think now with some more connections and some better parts, I think I can really really make that project shine. But yeah, I have the Aston Martin's V8 Vantage DBS. I have GT3. I just got another Porsche. I we just got an M6. It's a it's a convertible V10 manual. So, it's a factory manual. They only made 300 something and they only made them in the states. So, in Europe, they didn't have manuals. Apparently like nobody wanted manuals. So, it was only for like the North American market and that car is super super cool and we did modifications to it. And uh you know, some other stuff. Uh got uh Focus RS and then the Audi RS e-tron GT. That's like a daily driver for my girlfriend and you know, it's uh it's been like I I like to have a a a a a collection that's not necessarily eclectic um but it's just the stuff that I find interesting and the automotive experiences that I can't get anywhere else. How many cars do you have? 30. 30 flat? 30 flat. Yeah, I I I know this because I just did a a Google Doc. Um and I have 29 here and then one in UK, uh which is like a a a London cab. So um I bought this London, you know, like those little you know, you go to London and you have the this tiny little Yeah, I think it's like a '97. Probably has 10 billion miles on it but I ended up getting it from a friend for like two grand and I've never seen it. It's just sitting in some person's storage locker or farm or something. So at some point I'll bring it over here and then we'll just drive a London cab around Florida um and see how that works. And how many of these 30 cars that you own are you actually making content around or is it mostly just out of passion? So it's out of passion. When when I buy a car, um it's if it's not a car that I feel really strongly about, uh then I will like trade it or I like I may sell it. I don't I'm really, really bad at selling cars. I'm I'm terrible at that. So uh when I see a car that I feel attracted to, like this is an automotive experience I didn't have, then it's um it's something that like I could just add to the collection. I can um you know, just keep forever. Like the P1 and 918, I'm I'm going to keep forever. Keeping it forever also adds monthly costs to your bill. Like I imagine you still have to like register it, you still have to insure it, you still have to do all of these things. What's the month-to-month cost of your collection? The collection itself isn't that expensive. Um so the insurance cost on everything, I think I'm paying something like 15, 16 grand a year for everything. So uh That's just not bad at all. >> That's not bad at all. Yeah, yeah. Are you like max maxed out policy on everything? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I mean it's it's also all the cars are like it's not like they get driven every day. >> Right. They're in a air-conditioned security, you know, uh like garage um and it it's it's not really like I have a fleet insurance policy which is which is fantastic because like if I would've gone to like Geico or Allstate or something, it would've been $100,000. Uh especially on some of these cars where they're like, "Oh, we're we need to get special special underwriting approval or something." Um but uh the the maintenance on a lot of these cars is also not terrible. Um the thing that I'm running into most is that since the cars don't get driven a lot, uh there's a lot of cars that like the the tires that I that I've uh put on them like years ago, the tread is fine but they're just aging out. So I have, you know, my my Lamborghini Gallardo, brand new Michelin PS4S tires. Like they were $2,000 back in the day but I put them on in 2017 so they're aged out. You don't want to you don't want tires more than five years old uh because the compound, you know, changes and it it gets uh less consistent, that sort of thing. So the car, I probably put 30 miles on the car, you know, since I since I finished it, you know, finished it on YouTube. Now I have to change the tires which to anybody else would've been, you know, brand new tires. And the same thing goes for like a few other cars here. Um so, you know, stuff like that, it does seem a little bit wasteful but also like I'm not going to have a car that's just sitting with, you know, whatever tires it came off the the showroom floor with. And then yeah, what would the final sum number be? >> Yeah. I think I would spend probably like less than five grand a month um on on everything. Like the you know, with because we're talking about like oil changes, we're talking about like whatever parts things need and then and then the insurance cost. It's not that it's not that bad. But but this is just just on the car collection. I'm not talking about storage or like the shops or anything. >> Or notes either. Any loans? Oh, okay. Okay. Well, so You know what? [laughter] That you know, the loans do cost money at the end of the month. You forgot that very conveniently. What's the loan? I forgot the loan. I'm sorry. So I forgot [laughter] you're a finance Is that a rounding error or what? Yeah, it is a rounding error. That's that's Yeah, that's how much money we're making here. No, it's not um I So yeah, the loan actually uh if we add the loan to it, it's probably something like 20 22 grand. That's not that bad. >> Yeah, that's not that's not that bad. For 30 cars. >> Yeah. But I mean realistically, the only loan I have is for the for that P1 and I'm just right now I'm just paying it off. I'm actually trying to get a loan now to finish all of the big, you know, the big car builds rather than kind of doing it piecemeal. Uh so if I have a lump sum, I can just be like, "All right, I'm ordering all these parts. I'll make all this content and then boom, boom, boom and then just pay off the loan." So um How big of a loan do you need? Half a mil? Something like that? And what's the interest rate you're getting on that? >> Uh If you were to get a loan and you were to >> it would be less than 10. It would be less than 10%. >> See, Graham is considering whether or not he should lend you money. That's literally I know I know how his brain works. He's literally like, "Okay, well, like I'm getting this in treasuries. This is my money market fund. Could I get an extra 2% if I lend it to Freddy?" [laughter] >> You I mean you you could but uh listen, I have it's not like I don't have things as collateral. Right. That's what I'm saying. >> that's that's uh that's what I that's what I do. Um I go, "Well, I have all these cars and here's the here here is the uh market value of each of these cars and they have comps in Bring a Trailer and and whatever. Like this is what they're selling for in the last, you know, six months." Uh so we take a valuation based on that and then just add those up and then what, you know, what can what can we then loan out based on those numbers? The wheels are turning. This would make a good YouTube video, too. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm sponsoring Tavarish's channel. It could be part of your diversified portfolio. Loans. Yeah. You could give out loans. I'd be The only thing is I would be hesitant to be in debt to this guy. Yeah. You're going to be 1 minute late on your payment, he's going to show [laughter] up at your front door with a Yeah, exactly. >> Blur blur bleep that. >> Yeah, just a a giant sledgehammer. Like, "Well, Yeah. Which one left or right?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah, [laughter] exactly. Yeah. Do you want your pinky or your thumb? >> working on these cars in a wheelchair. Uh no, but um it's uh it's it's not only just, you know, finishing cars. It's also, you know, launching stuff like this the the merch brand that I'm I'm going to launch and um I want to get myself out there a lot more in 2026. 2025 was um you know, I I did a lot but I think when people look at uh you know, the body of my work and especially on my YouTube channel, it's like, "Well, you haven't uploaded this. You haven't uploaded this." But like the reality is that all these things, especially the hypercar builds, like and the P1 especially, is so incredibly labor and time-intensive. Like just to give you guys an example, um the P1, we are uh redesigning everything. And when I mean when I mean everything, I'm like the engine we uh we rebuilt to, you know, twice as much power. We had the turbos um like designed by the original uh manufacturers of the turbos. So they they see and they they did like computer simulations and then they sent it to Mitsubishi Japan who then sent me a a set of turbos, like prototype turbos for my car that make twice the power but they look the same of, you know, like the the the ones on the P1 originally. Then we have like I'm I'm re-engineering the entire cooling system in that car. So instead of having like the radiators in the front, we're deleting all those for uh weight savings and then I'm using like an air-conditioning system to to cool fluid. Uh I don't have to worry about it being hot and humid outside. Then, you know, we're deleting the hybrid system but then we're also, you know, adding in uh a a wiring harness that's now modular. And then we're we're doing like a body that has to be CFD computational fluid dynamics, like aerodynamics tested because I want to go 250, 60, 70 mph um and no McLaren, especially no McLaren P1, has ever done that. So uh and then on top of that, you have to actually make the stuff. You have to make the parts. You have to make the uh the carbon fiber body and in order to do that right, you're not just slapping it together. You're not just like putting a body kit on a Civic. Like this has to be everything has to be tested. Everything has to be OEM plus because if you're going 250 mph, that thing might that thing might explode, you know? But I just it when when you say you need to borrow $500,000, I'm going to I'm going to be honest, that's very surprising to me because I see the amount of views that you have. I I can kind of do some back-of-the-napkin math and like he should be making this amount. Yeah. And he could very easily just post one extra video and it could pay, you know, a researcher's salary. And if you have a researcher, you won't need to spend those late-night hours on the computer trying to find a part for a cheap price. You'd have someone else do it. You could move on to the next project. You could post more. Or just even sell off a few cars. >> Or sell off a few cars. What do you think about that logic or what's the So so yeah, so um I I think that that totally works um and it's it's not like yeah, it sounds good, doesn't work. Uh the issue that I run into with that is that I am so far into these projects and there are things that I know that in order for for me to bring people up to speed on them, it would take me way more time than it would be to just do it myself. And then the ROI starts not making any sense. When I have somebody do something, if I pay them to do do a job, um I want to be able to rely on them and then say like hey, this is this is what I need from you. And what happens when you know, in the event that it doesn't hap doesn't happen or it doesn't happen on time or or some uh some expectation isn't met, I have this weird thing where I don't want to feel um like I'm not pissed off but like I I don't want to feel like >> You don't want to express discontent with someone. >> Correct. Um and and then like I I don't want to feel like they're letting me down or something like that. And uh then I'm like I'll just internalize this. And that's like it's not a good business practice for sure. Uh but I've had that happen where, you know, I've had people work here and you know, they've they've been really really good and then like later on it just gets to a point where it might they might be, you know, like might get a little slower or something like that. Um like slower at uh producing their results. And I've noticed this and it it does have an effect on the bottom line but then I still have to pay them. And if I bring this up there's like now you have to bridge that gap of like their ego or, you know, my own ego and uh you know, communicating like what you think is clearly but it's not clearly for them. So they they start doing something and then you're like well, I'm still not happy with this and by the time, you know, this all like you actually get a product and you're like I I guess I'm okay with that. You could have done this yourself, you know, 10 times over. So um that's one thing that I uh I struggle with quite a bit because um it's it's sort of like the micromanagement but um it's on the problem-solving side of things. I wouldn't want to offload that. It's almost like uh you know, the advent of AI. Um AI is really good when it's when it when you know what the answer should be. AI is not good when it's like all right, create something that's never been created before. Um it when it's like all right, solve this problem that no one else has in the world or like like uh find me a part that no one else is looking for. Um that's going to be really hard for somebody to do. And I feel like they're still expending time and energy on this problem. I still have to pay them. And then the result is going to be realistically probably not what not what I what I want. Would you be open to looking at talent? Like if someone Okay, so do you have an email? Create an email. Yeah. So what's what's the name of the email going to be? Uh Tavaras needs help. Tavaras needs help at gmail.com. 12@gmail.com. Tavaras needs help 12@gmail.com. If you guys feel like you could be a good fit, send over the best possible application, the best possible resume you could come up with. Make it a video. Make it creative. Make it easy to digest cuz I'm sure he'll get plenty of these. Show him your skills in video editing. Show him your knowledge on cars. Show him everything and exactly why you'd be good for the position. I know that they're they'll be plenty of people that would kill for this. So if you want to, create the email. Maybe he creates it, maybe he doesn't. We'll put down in the description if he does. But I'll I'll I'll create it just because just because you you know, He'll create the email. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. So I I do think that just like logically speaking, yes, the emotions can sometimes get in the way of logic which sounds like you've had some past experience where that did happen. >> Correct. But I do think it could help you a lot to have a little bit of help like a main, you know, person at your side for the business. I know at least for Graham's business, it helped a lot to finally bring someone else on to the team and then everything explodes. Yes. if you increase upload frequency, you had a fail-safe, someone you could count on, that would be that would these people want to see from you more. >> Yeah, I I I want to see you once a month. I didn't like this. The last video is 2 and 1/2 months ago. >> Mhm. Yeah, so I my my goal at least for 2026 is to have two videos out on the main channel and four to six on the on the second channel. So what I've learned is that um it's I'm always putting more on myself than than realistically I can handle or like anybody can handle. But I I I start thinking to myself like I start getting really optimistic like oh yeah, I can do this in this amount of time. I can do this in this amount of time. And it's not realistic because I I could if I didn't sleep for the next four days. And sometimes that does have to happen. It does suck when you have to you know, perform and then like let's say, you know, for me a a crappy video on my main channel like a like a 10 out of 10 is a million and a half views. Which you know, my my floor has never been higher on the channel. So if I get a uh a video that has 500,000 views, that's like that's a really bad day. You know, that's like maybe I should stop doing this. Which is crazy because 500,000 views is a lot of people. It's a lot of people and it's you still generate money and and all that. So um I have to I there there has to be a way where, you know, I'm still in the growth phase and uh you know, I'm still finding audience and then, you know, doing interesting things. But for sure I I agree with you that there is there's a a way for somebody else to, you know, help me out with something and uh then we we all grow together. The the issue that I've come up against is that, you know, the people that I've uh used in the past and then they're still around. I mean, I still talk to everybody that I've worked with. They're really nice people and they they do they do good work. But um I think when the uh the job starts, they see the kind of lifestyle, they see the they see the cars, they see like uh you know, if you're a car guy coming here working on these cars and seeing all this stuff day in and day out, it's really cool in the beginning. After a while, it just becomes normal. And then after a while, just like any other job, people can become complacent. Um and even if you're paying them very very well, they start to lose sight of the fact that like in this industry, nobody else is doing this. You know, if I'm paying somebody 10 grand a month or 12 grand a month or 15 grand a month or or whatever, it's really really hard to to then convince those people, you know, years down the line that like hey, so this is like still a really good like you haven't been in the job market. You don't know that this is like actually not >> Yeah, entertain them. Yeah. That's why for us what's always worked is incentive pay. So like, you know, the more money you can generate the business, the more money we'll pay you. And it's just like only ever going to pull them into needing to be a higher performer. For sure. So that that's worked really well for us. >> That's also like that we're getting a little bit outside of the weeds here. No, no, no, but it's it's a it's a good conversation to have it for for sure because I think right now especially in this this time of time of year, I have I'm also sitting on like three really big videos. So it's not like I've just been, you know, kicking back and it's it's sort of like, you know, the actor that you haven't seen act for a while and they're like oh, what is he doing? Like oh, he hasn't done anything. Meanwhile, he's been, you know, working day in and day out on some project that, you know, nobody knows about. But it's um it it is it is a good it is a good conversation to have just because the last time you were here, you know, I said it cost something like $80,000 or or you know, between 80 and 90,000 dollars to to to keep this place and everything everything going. And that's that's still mostly the case. You know, I have lowered costs you know, a bit just because of like so personnel and like there's stuff like I've had projects that nobody has seen. And like just today one of my friends came in and I told him hey, can you sell all these cars for me cuz like I I bought these projects and it's just 20 grand just sitting there. 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Instead of having a P1 that, you know, was in a really bad flood and then I rebuilt it to to, you know, whatever standard that is, like what if I got uh together, you know, the best team I could and I used every single one of my resources and every single one of my network contacts to make the most iconic, like most the the most uh insane car I could because I'm never going to get this this opportunity again. So, that that's what got me into, like, well, now we're going to rebuild the engine to to way more power and then that now we're going to, you know, do this and that and then work with the original designer, uh Frank Stephenson, to, you know, design an actual car like a a new version of this car specifically for my needs, which is something I never thought I would ever do, you know, this this prolific prolific designer. I have, you know, a bunch of his cars, the 430 and a 675, like that like I'm a big fan of his design work. And then, you know, I I emailed him and he said, um you know, I why don't I just design you a car, which is which is nuts. So, now not only am I, you know, beholden to myself and my viewers, but now like this this guy who is like my automotive idol is working with me and now I have I have to perform for for him cuz I can't I can't make him look bad. So, uh it it is a lot of pressure and I think that is why and it's also a lot of money and a lot of time. So, I'm just going to ask you a question and I want the first gut response that you have to the question, okay? So, no no thinking. Why don't you just finish the P1? I haven't thought of that. I've never thought of that yet. You know, like that thanks for thanks for >> [laughter] >> It's What's the gut? What's the gut saying? The the the gut feeling is, oh yeah, thanks. Yeah, thanks. Um so, why haven't I finished the P1? Yes. Um because it's hard. Um because uh well, the the gut gut response is, what color is your Bugatti? >> Bugatti. >> [laughter] >> Um realistically, it's it's it's because, let's say, uh for a company like McLaren, like an actual car company that makes cars in a production line, they have to take years, years and years with hundreds of people and engineers and everything to make one of these cars, to design it. I'm one guy. I'm a YouTuber. Uh I make videos online for a living and I don't have millions and millions of dollars. Uh all I all I can do is, like, what happens in my head? Can I make that into reality? Probably, maybe, who knows. And that's what I put on into into the car. So, I'm not trying to hotchpotch anything together. I'm trying to do everything, you know, correctly and I'm also trying to fix some of the issues that the car had in the first place. So, that's why the P1 hasn't been like finished because getting to that point is like the the hardest thing ever like solving all those problems takes time. Like just to get a body on this car. Like to make to construct and design and test a body usually takes two to three years. Um like that's just on like the the companies that I've talked to, they say like to make a prototype body in carbon fiber the way you want it it it it it would take two to three years and a few million bucks. I don't have either of those. I have to make YouTube videos. So, um when that happens, then I'm like, what can I do to expedite this process? What can I learn? Can I can I learn, you know, how to 3D scan? Is there is there are there people that can expedite this process with like their own CAD models and they can can they put that in and then, you know, how to how does uh how can I think outside the box and and and be on the cutting edge of this stuff so I can get the the result I want without having to pay, you know, necessarily millions of dollars. >> So, are you waiting on other experts to be able to come up with CAD files, come up with solutions for the car and that's why you're working on other projects at the same time as working on the P1? >> Correct. It's not like if you solely worked on the P1, you'd be able to complete it much quicker. >> Yes. Yes, it's a it's uh so, right now it's um what what I hate is it's like if you get to a um like a movie set or or some some commercial, you know, shoot and uh the the term is hurry up and wait. So, you have to get there, you know, and then you're like, all right, call time is 8:00 and it's 11:00 and you're like, I haven't done anything. I've just sat in in a chair for 3 hours. So, it's it's sort of like that. Um it right now it's in limbo because um and I'm not absolutely not blaming anybody. This is how long the process takes. And uh the people that I've that I've uh worked with and and I'm work am working with, they are also very quick for their industries and they know everything about what they're what they're doing. So, I have I have the utmost respect and and trust in what they're doing. So, um but when the process goes away from what I can do, like I can't make carbon fiber panels. I can't like, you know, 3D scan and 3D print. Like I'd like to learn how to do all that, but realistically, for me to get to the level that they're at, it would take me another, you know, 10 20 years. So, I think I have to defer to those experts and those people are, you know, they're um testing this uh this this new body and then that like whenever we have to make changes, that has to go back to uh the designer and then they have to design it in a way that still is true to their design, but also incorporates like things like um you know, you don't want the car to have done by SEMA 2026. Um but I'm going to do it in phases. So, I think uh you know, finished is a is a very um >> [sighs and gasps] >> it it's hard to put a a stamp on like, okay, it's done because you can always modify things. You can always push the envelope, you know. Let's say, you know, I get the body and the engine and everything done. Is the car finished? Like, well, it hasn't done the speed run yet. So, what happens then? You know, what what if it doesn't what if it doesn't do it? Then I have to go kind of back to the drawing board, modify it. Do you need to do the speed run? Cuz I see some of these videos of cars like in Thailand or the Philippines where they just make a Bugatti and it looks 70% of the car. But I'm just saying it the what they're able to do in the garage is a lot is that's what they're able to do. Like do you need to drive the car 250 mph? Can you just make it look good to drive on the freeway at 100 mph? I could just put body panels on this car and then just make it run with whatever drivetrain and it'll make noise and it'll it'll perform well and that shouldn't that wouldn't be long at all. Um the issue is because I want this car to be everything that you know, my my my childhood brain um dreamed of. Uh I I am holding myself to that um you know, to to those uh standards and goals. And I think if I like if some YouTuber uh made this car like me as just some some dude um and it not only became the fastest McLaren on the planet, but like it was redesigned by the original designer and then like I you know, everybody saw from when it you know, got to the shop it with you know, twigs in the in the in the vents and you know, 300 lbs of sand in it to this gleaming show car that now is you know, a world beater. I think that that's like a really big lofty goal that that's like, okay, well, now now I you know, I I did that. That is my mark on car culture and then it's funny because I'm not going to say I'm you know, walking in these circles or anything like that, but the fact that people like you know, Mate Rimac who's the CEO of Bugatti Rimac Rimac it's not Rimac it's Rimac. Um he you know, I I I met up with him and he's he's a really cool guy and the fact that like I can text him, you know, and and talk to him about this stuff and you know, like Christian von Koenigsegg knows who I am. Like that that that is something that like Jay Leno Jay Leno knows who I like that is insane to me. That that should not ever happen. Um so, I want to make sure that like those people I do right by. Like I'm not just some guy with dreams and then like, oh yeah, put an LS with a five-speed and uh now it's like here here you go. It's YouTube done, you know? I think it's long-term oriented is what you're doing. It's like you could do the short approach, take shortcuts and pump the videos out, but then again, that wouldn't like build as much of a legacy maybe as being the guy that fully made this like Yeah, I I I think it's it's um yeah, not only that, but um the the long-term approach is you know, I I always think of things in terms of um like I think the timelines are going to be shorter than they actually are. And realistically, I I didn't think that I'd be on year three of this, but with the scope creep and and all that stuff with uh with these projects, that's sort of where where these things go. I don't know what people expect from like a hypercar rebuild, how long they think it should take, but I know that based on what other YouTubers are doing, they're like, oh, it should have been done by now. Realistically, that's like the So, nobody's ever done this before. So, there's no litmus test of like how long is is too long. Um so, I'm just going as fast as, you know, as fast as I can, but I'm also trying to make the best decisions for this build and and the you know, the the channel and the car. Yeah. One of the things I'm really surprised about is when you're taking these cars apart, with the 918, you said they reuse a lot of the parts. >> Yeah. And even though it seems like, oh wow, this Porsche 918 part is like from a Porsche Boxster. Yeah. >> even though it seems like oh wow this Porsche 918 part it's like from a Porsche Boxster. Yeah. You can buy them on eBay. What's the cheapest part that you've seen in a car? >> [snorts] >> So I mean a Lamborghini Murcielago has uh like side marker lights from like a Ford Focus. Um there's uh you know the the Lamborghini Diablo um has headlights from a 300ZX Nissan. Um and the the way you way you know is on the Lamborghini like at the the top I think I mentioned this to you you know before but like there's a little carbon fiber strip that they put there specifically because it covers up the Nissan logo. Um but stuff like like on the 918 uh you can get the window switch uh for 20 bucks on on eBay. And you know there's there's a company in China that just makes you know makes these switches. Um so things like that you can you can have like lots of different uh you know switch gear or like the key fob or um you know the real steering assembly you can get that for a few hundred bucks on eBay. Um lots of stuff that is like available and readily available uh everywhere. I I do love that though. >> How is Lamborghini allowed to take a part off of a Nissan and slap it on their car? So um it is the the way that they do it um as as far as I know is you just have suppliers. So you have suppliers and uh contracts. So let's say Lamborghini says uh to Nissan hey we'd really like to use your uh your headlights for for this and I I assume this is how it worked in the '90s. Uh so Nissan goes okay well how many units do you need and uh here's you know we'll have a contract with you so if somebody comes into Lamborghini and says uh you know I need a headlight for this car you know you guys will supply it and then we'll have a markup or you know blah blah blah. That's the way it is on like McLarens like what's what's funny is McLaren um up until recently McLaren really didn't make anything. Like literally nothing. Uh everything was a you know part supplier thing. So uh the um hydraulic lines and the uh coolant lines are made by a company called Bergoflex. The uh the the P1 body is made by Prodrive. The the transmission is Graziano and then the engine is Ricardo. Like all these companies they're just under contract to provide parts for McLaren and then McLaren just bring in all the parts put it together and then they go haha it's a McLaren it's totally bespoke. Like but other than the fact that it's not. Like the the body control module is a Pektron uh control module that you would see in a Tesla. Um you know stuff like that. All the computers are Bosch. So the Bosch computers that you see in Ferraris and Volkswagens and like all that. So it they they use a there's a lot of different suppliers that do have the you know hundreds of thousands of iterations of whatever this part is in other cars so they go actually we we know how this part's going to perform. Um what the issue would be and one reason why um there's a difference between something like uh you know a McLaren or and Porsche between that and like a Koenigsegg um is that Koenigsegg for the most like the vast majority of their parts they make. They actually make in house. And the reason why I think Koenigsegg lately has been getting some flak in social media is because um they cannot possibly have the man hours to test everything. Like especially test everything long term. So what they do is um as far as I as as far as I've heard and I've I've seen is when they make a car they do it to the best of their ability and you know they they they are really um you know pioneering a lot of uh a lot of cool engineering feats. They will sell you a car and then if the car has problems they go okay well now we know that this car has a problem. We're going to go make an update to it or we'll fix it or or whatever. But then that's like a little knowledge hub for them. Yeah. So so essentially a customer is a beta tester which for better or worse that's like I wouldn't want that but that's sort of the reality of owning one of these two million dollar cars. Is there any car out there or a situation where the car is just unfixable? No depending on how expensive the car is. Now if a McLaren F1 which is 22 million dollars if that got into a fire and it was literally just ash then obviously there's no car left. You know it's the the car has turned into you know whatever chemicals that uh that that burned off. Um but if uh you know if a car like a McLaren F1 or let's say a Ferrari 250 GTO it's like 50 million dollars um if that car got into a trash compactor and then just just turned into a cube you could still rebuild that. You know like because you you would get a new chassis and new a new like it becomes a ship of Theseus at that point. But it's at you know the the value becomes so high that it that it can't it's essentially unsalvageable. You can you can not damage it enough that uh that you it would lose all value. So yeah other than like the car just not ex like if it exploded you know. What about some randomly outrageously expensive parts? What are some what are some parts that are just randomly extremely expensive? So um I'll I'll yeah I'll give you an example. Um with the 918 Spyder the engine is a 4.6 liter naturally aspirated. It's like it's derived from one of their race cars called the I'll call the RS Spyder. And um it is it is basically a race engine it makes 600 horsepower revs revs to 9 grand. But if you take apart the internals of this they're all very very light. And the piston rings like a set of piston rings for let's say an eight cylinder car >> [gasps] >> would be a few hundred bucks. Um you know for for any any regular car. So the piston rings basically they they keep the seal on the on the cylinder when the piston goes up and down. Um on a 918 Spyder each piston ring of which there are two on each piston and then there's eight of them each one is like 300 dollars. So you're like you're looking at several thousand dollars and like the piston itself is like two grand whereas you know you can get a good set of piston like a good set of pistons that are um you know custom made for two two grand. So a lot of this stuff is because they're you know bespoke to this car they only made it for this engine. It's a economy of scale thing. And then they're they're uh coded with this special coding that they uh contract it out to this one uh company in Switzerland and then that has to get you know sent over and and assembled by one guy in Stuttgart. So it's there's a lot of that going on. How important is having good insurance? Pretty I mean pretty important depending on what you're talking about. Is it's if it's like car insurance or >> Yeah good car insurance cuz you're buying these cars where I'm I expect they're getting these full payouts on them. Yes. So um good insurance uh I mean I don't know what the insurance situation is for the people that you know salvage these cars. I'm sure I'm sure it's fine. I know the P1 owner got paid out pretty good. I think he has a he got a Chiron later on. Uh so I think he's fine. Uh but for me um I was just talking about this with a friend the other day. Other than somebody hitting me or somebody suing me for something. Like if I made a mistake I wouldn't need insurance. If I crash this thing into a tree I'm fixing it here. Like I'm not I'm never going to take this thing to a like if if some if some guy dings my car in a parking lot I'm not going through insurance. I'm not I'm not like it's something I'm going to fix. I'll I'll work out with you know with who whatever you know whoever um uh hit the car. Mhm. And honestly it's it's not something that I think I would ever use but you need you need to have it and I'd rather have you know all the limits and and all the you know all these cars are fully covered and you know like I don't want to be stuck you know stuck holding the bag when something does happen where I'm like oh I shouldn't have cheaped out on that. How much should the average man be able to fix a car? Like what should they be able to do? Like obviously like people say like the spark plugs they say a tires oil you know. >> I could change a tire and I've done uh the You've done wiper fluids. >> I've done wiper fluids. I've added oil to the car and I've added replaced it. I've replaced the uh what are the little fuses. I've done that. Welcome to the Ice Coffee Hour red pill Um this is uh how much should an average man know how to how to work on a car? I think At what line should they go to a mechanic? You know. I think they should understand their own limits. They should understand when cuz I I'm I'm not one of these guys that uh say like well you got to figure it out and uh you know you never want to ask for directions or you know cuz you're a macho man or blah blah blah. I think um if you are confident in doing something or like if you watch a YouTube video and you are uh um empowered by that. If you watch a ChrisFix video and uh you're like hey actually I could change you know my differential oil or my clutch or something like that then I think you should go for it because even if you don't do it uh even if you don't don't finish it or whatever you've still tried something that you like you've gotten out of your comfort zone. I think the ability for a person to to to work on a car only comes from them being able to say I don't know how that works but I'm going to figure it out. But what what like if we're going to Like a baseline? If we're going to get like the red pill edition yeah like what should your man know how to do? So change a tire um it it's change a tire is 100% 100% because if you don't know how to change a tire and then your wife or girlfriend or your partner don't know how to change a tire >> If she calls you hey can you change a tire you're like I'm a little busy right now. She's like I know you're not. You're like ooh you know I'll send someone over. She's like, "Please come help me." The only saving grace is that a lot a lot of new cars now don't have spare tires. So, you'd have to call AAA anyway, or you'd have to like there's there's a lot of ways out of it. I think at the very least, change a tire, make sure you have good tire pressure, things things like that. Um I don't think you need to go and do spark plugs or like your own oil changes. It would be good to do that, but like things like um well, I'm going to go warm up the car and uh make sure the battery's not dead. You know, like how to jump a car. The things like that, like jump a car from another car without, you know, destroying your electrical system, you know, red to red, black to black. Should every man know how to drive manual? Yes. Uh I think so. Um I think it is uh it's it's not that it's a manly thing to do. Um I I just think that it is a it is a skill that is easier than you think to uh learn, and you never know when you'll need it. And also, in today's like society, if you get to a point where let's say you go to a different country, and then you have a a car that you're renting and you're like, "Oh, I didn't know it was manual." Ah, it's no problem. Not not a problem. And then you you just feel like, "Okay, I'm glad I learned that." Um and I this also goes for women uh in terms of like manual because like turns out uh pressing pedals and shifting gears is not just a man thing. Like you can like women can also do this. So, um I think driving manual is a is a is a really good um you know, skill to have. But as far as as far as a man, whatever goes into the sort of ethos of like providing, you know, like like providing or protecting. If you are if your um car is in a vulnerable spot, like if your tire blows and >> issues. Yeah, you're you're on the side of the road. Let's say your uh your wife is on the side of the road. You don't want her on the side of the road. So, you're going to go out and you're going to be the person that protects her from this vulnerability, you know? You'll go out and and uh you know, you don't want to you also don't want to change the stuff on the side of the road, but it's better you than her, you know? So, I I I think I think that's probably it. But um there's no like line where it's like, "Well, you change fuses. Well, how about how about the fusible links, hm? How about that?" 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TJR trying to sell his Koenigsegg as well. >> to sell it? Yeah. He's trying to sell his Koenigsegg. >> Yes. Don't buy Koenigsegg. I don't I don't know I don't know. Um I I I have no stake in Koenigsegg at all. Um realistically, the hypercar market is it it's so interesting because back in like back 20 years ago, the only hypercar you can really get was the Bugatti Veyron. And that was the biggest deal in the world. It was a million dollars. Like a million-dollar car. That is cra- a thousand horsepower. It does 250-something miles an hour. It is the craziest, fastest, whatever. And now, the new million mark is now 2 million. Every new hypercar, the Ferrari F80, the McLaren W1, like they're all two and a half million-dollar cars. There have been countless hypercar manufacturers that come out of the woodwork. Like I was invited to Italy uh this year, where a uh um a hypercar manufacturer brought out this new 2,000 horsepower V12 quad turbo, you know, blah blah blah. How much does it cost? Two and a half mil. Everybody is around that price point because I think there's so many people that want to be like they they know that they can sell a car like weirdly quickly because there's so many people with a ton of cash. If you go to like a Pagani or or you know, Koenigsegg are still like two to three mil. But like a Pagani, they could charge you nine, 10 million dollars. And uh it's it's sort of based on how much how much you make. Like, you know, how much does this car cost? And they go like, "Well, I don't know. What What's your bank account look like?" Yeah, what do you What do you got? You know, turn out your pockets to tell me. Um I think that there's there's still levels to this. So, like if you have a hypercar market where it's like, "Well, you have the the Porsche 918, and then you have the McLaren P1." Those are like two mil. And then you have, you know, the Pagani is at uh you know, five to seven. And then you have like the the Gordon Murray, the new S1 LM that just, you know, one of the it wasn't even the car doesn't exist yet. It's just like the build uh slot for that went for 22 million dollars. So, like there are people that are buying and paying for this stuff, um which is nuts. I think there's um after a while, you're going to see, you know, the the wheat separate from the chaff. It's you're you're going to see the cars that truly appreciate, and people um you know, like them for what they are, and then other cars are just going to be like, "Well, these didn't go anywhere, and these are just kind of flash in the pans, and even if they spent 2 million dollars on them, they're not they're not worth it now, and they don't have any support because the company went under, or whatever." How much money should you have to comfortably buy a Lamborghini? That's a good question. What depends on the Lamborghini. Because um if you have like the cheapest Lamborghini you can get right now is probably a early Gallardo. Um and that that car in good shape is probably between 80 and 120 uh 80 grand and 120 grand. I think I mean, I don't you're the finance guy, so you can tell me what percentage of, you know, your net worth or your income you should you should spend on this. But like you should never treat cars, especially cars like that, as investments. I think you should treat them as toys, and you should uh understand that these are they're not they're emotional purchases. Whether or not you can make money on the other end, that's fine. Um like you can it's possible that you can buy this low and sell high. Um I don't think that should be the point of it because then that gets in the way of you actually enjoying the thing. >> [snorts] >> You know, I'm a I'm a big fan of the the Jane Birkin philosophy, where, you know, you have this really high-end bag that's made really well and is expensive, but you abuse it. Like you just use every inch of it, and you know, it'll have scratches and whatever, but it's that's what it's there for. You know, if you have a car that is, you know, like these, but they have 100,000 miles on them, and they have, you know, road rash or or whatever, but like you use them, and they do everything that like you're getting the enjoyment out of it every single day, I think that's like a way better proposition than you're like, "Well, I I had it for 6 months, and I made $5,000, and I like I drove it three times." Like, "Wow, cool. Awesome." You know, I I I I feel like it's you have to have like the reason why you have all of this, it's it's because it's like a roller coaster that you own. And if you if you told somebody that you owned a roller coaster, but then at the you know like in a year, you'd be like, "Oh yeah, I've only ridden it three times." Like, "Why? Why?" Oh yeah, well, I mean, it's the bearings and the stuff you know, it just it takes a lot of a lot of energy to run it and whatever. Like, I would be I'd be on that every single day. What do Why why are you doing that? >> How many miles have you driven your Ford GT? 300. In how many years? 5 years. You should drive your car more. You should drive your car more. What So, okay, now I'm going to pose a question to you. >> What class? >> Um what are you What are you worried about there? Uh the car has become so valuable and the values are rising so quickly that I don't want to hit 10,000 miles on the car. And I'm at 7,700 and I know hitting the barriers of like eight to nine to 10, when you hit 10, you take about a 15% drop in value consistently. Yeah, but >> And on a $500,000 car, that's a lot of money to to lose just for going like from eight to 10. So, I'm going to keep it probably in the eights, but I drive it just to put miles on the car to keep it going, to keep the fluids going, to keep everything in good condition to you know, move the tires around. I do that. I do a little loop, fill it up, drive it right back, and I'm really nervous driving the car because it's worth so much money. Okay, no I So, I So, I understand that um and it's not you know, it's not without merit. What Why did you get the car in the first place? Investment. Okay, so So, if you treat it as an investment vehicle, sure, 100%. I I totally get that. I I guess the difference between you know, my philosophy and and yours is that like I wouldn't buy a car as an investment. I think I buy I buy them as as a story. And also because I buy these cars in like in I I don't care what condition they're in. Like, the higher the miles, the better to me because I know that I can get into this car and this experience really low. Um if I ever get a car that's like super super low mileage and I Oh, this is a cherry cream puff and you know, it's never been farted in and whatever. Like, I I think um the only thing I can do to that car is make it worse. I drive that car 500 ft, it's now worse than than it was you know, it's now worth less because you know, if you if you look at that um mindset, um you know, if you have less than 10,000 miles, 10,000 miles isn't a magic number. It's just like one more digit, right? It's There's no It's an arbitrary thing. So, why don't you keep it less than you know, what what is it? 7,000 miles now? Yeah, but there's a psychological point where a lot of buyers see that Yes. >> 9,800 seems like a lot less than 10,000. Uh correct. Correct. I mean, it's it's a psychological point where that's why you go 9,999 instead of instead of 10. Um however, uh I feel like if you cross that barrier to 10,000 and you go, "You know what? I'm going to take the hit and I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this car." then the the ability for you to enjoy the car increases exponentially. So, you go from 10,000 because you know, realistically, a buyer isn't going to have a difference between a 10,000 mile car and a 25,000 mile car. So now, you can enjoy this car for 15,000 more miles. It's not like you're enjoying the car for 3,000 more miles and then you know, you have to take a 15% hit. Like, now you can drive the car for 20 20,000 miles. That's a lot of experiences. So like, is that worth that Is that worth it for you? Or why don't you cash out of that car like sell it because if you're if you're just maintaining it, um cash out of that car and then buy a car with some miles on it where you're like, "You know what? This is already you know, somebody's already >> have two other cars like that. That's a good point. He could buy a Ford GT with like 11,000 miles or 15,000 miles and actually just drive it 30,000 miles [clears throat] and drive it around and it will probably appreciate maybe at a similar amount and you can actually have that spread and put it in the >> I already got a great car, man. It's pristine. I already I got I got it sorted. I know everything about the car. It's perfect. >> listen, it it all depends on what you want because again, some people buy cars as investment vehicles and that's totally fine. Some people buy them as art. Some people just want to look at them in their in their garage. That's also totally fine. I'm not There's no right or wrong way to to do this, but I think just for me and my um you know, sensibilities, I like to have experiences and then drive them and it doesn't matter what Like, the higher miles, the better. You said there's no right or wrong way. What do you think about WhistlinDiesel's way of driving cars? Well, Whistlin I mean, I I think we touched on this in in the last one as well and you know, since then it's it's gotten you know, it's only it's only ramped up from there. I really you know, I I have so much respect for Cody. I have so much respect for WhistlinDiesel because um it is entertainment that you can't get anywhere else. It is a uh a type of content that um you know, hits on it it almost circumvents your reason centers in your brain where it has that ooga booga brain like, "Oh, this is uh this is expensive thing and he's destroying it and this is just kind of like it seems like wanton destruction, but it's not." I know for a fact that when the cameras are off, he is like he he legitimately cares about the people in his videos. He's trying to make things like he wants to make them as safe as possible and he he like writes out storylines and he's very particular about his editing and he's very particular about like how he puts videos out and how he wants to be portrayed. Um so, he is like a really smart guy. I know he's ruffled some feathers because of the type of content that he does, but sometimes like listen, if he wants to take a Ferrari F8 and you know, do some donuts in a in a dry field and then it burns down because like, "Whoopsie." Um then that's just you know, that's that's part of his content. He makes money from it and that's part of his you know, repertoire now. What are your thoughts on WhistlinDiesel getting arrested? That was So, WhistlinDiesel getting arrested was pretty clearly pretty clearly somebody wanted to make an example out of him. There is no reason or there's no reality in which a state uh government entity would not just send you a letter. Mhm. Like, they should send you like if you're especially over $30,000, 30 grand over one car? Like, it makes it makes no sense to me why they would have like eight people come onto his property and then arrest him and they go, "What What for? Tax evasion?" >> Eight people. Yeah. Yeah. And like they they walked onto his property. They didn't they didn't call him. They they didn't say, "Hey, we want to give you the the ability to turn yourself in." They wanted to make a spectacle out of this. They wanted this to be a thing. I think that he um somebody high up didn't like him. I think somebody high up got their feathers ruffled or maybe somebody was calling into the city or the state or or just you know, somebody was very very angry and they they were like, "How can we get this guy? How can we you know, make this guy's life you know, hell?" And they didn't know what 10 million people behind one guy looks like. Um so, I I really think that uh they I think they screwed up. I think the like this could have been it it's one of those things that like could have been solved in an email, you know? Like, it's it's Here's my thought though. I actually think the opposite of it. I think they were using him as an example to close that Montana LLC loophole. I think that's the only thing they wanted. >> Explain the Montana LLC loophole. Montana does not have sales tax. So, when you go and buy a car and let's just say California, they charge you a sales tax on the price of the vehicle. You spend $100,000, they charge you a 9% sales tax, $9,000. So, what a lot of people would do is they'll go and buy a million dollar car and instead of paying $100,000 to the state, they spend $99 on a Montana LLC. >> Yep. They register the car to the Montana LLC. The LLC owns the car and you don't have to pay the sales tax on it. >> Uh that's tax avoidance um or tax evasion. Well, avoidance and evasion is is really different. Yeah, avoidance avoidance is legal. Evasion is not. >> The state would argue that's tax evasion because you're driving and operating the car in the state. My understanding is that Tennessee really just wanted to see this loophole go away and they wanted to instill fear in people that if they register their cars in Montana, they could get arrested. >> And I think Cody played into that perfectly because now they see his mug shot, he makes a video about it, everyone knows about it, and if you're on the fence about like, should I start a Montana LLC? You're going to think, "Oh, I don't want to be like Cody. I don't want to get arrested. They're cracking down on this. I don't want that to be me." They're not going to do it. They're going to pay the extra $30,000. So, I think if they just sent a letter, Cody would have paid it and no one would know. But this is the best marketing for them to shut down the Montana LLCs because even in California, I guarantee people there see Cody and they say, "Oh, I don't want to mess with that just in case." Well, um so, I I see that I see that side of things. However, uh the amount of money that they would earn from this um I I don't know how many hypercar owners there are in Tennessee. I can't imagine that there are a lot. Um I I feel like the people that have the kind of money that can have mobility and like let's say, you know, you have Paganis and Koenigseggs and they're all registered in Montana. I I don't think it's going to be like that big of a game changer. Um there's not a ton of people with like regular cars that are going to Montana LLCs. You know, this is not something that is uh scalable. This is like 10 people. Um, you know, like not like relatively, right? Uh this is we're talking about a small percentage of of people that they could just talk to like individually. They can just say like you can obviously write a letter to these people and then just say, "Hey, you uh you know, you owe this much and blah blah blah." And And then that's it. Like I think writing a letter or or whatever instead of making this public spectacle, um it it does them a disservice because what happens to Cody is um Cody is also very uh resistant to this. So, he's now instilling, you know, like if people are already on the fence, they're like, "Ah, I don't know if I'm going to do this." And Cody's like, "They don't have a leg to stand on. Like I'm like I'm the worst person to to to do this to because I I am petty and I'm going to, you know, I'm going to fight this until I have no more money left, you know? Like I'm going to fight this and and make it uh into this this crazy circus." And I don't think they're ready for that. I think if they just wanted money, they could have sent letters to everybody. And they could have sent sent stern letters and and been like, "Hey, so we know what you're doing and you could get, you know, we could arrest you." And then that that's it. I think they're just going to offer to settle and say, "Hey, we're going to drop the case, pay us the 30 grand and we'll go away." That's what I think is probably going to happen or they're going to say, "Or we fight this for years. We're going to use every resource possible." And it's a 50/50. If he wants to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting this case. >> He could do it because he um so what YouTube allows you to do is monetize your misery. I mean, this this is if it's an ongoing case, this is a story that people aren't going to let go. He the first video that he made on this is just him sitting at a desk and it got, you know, like 5 million views. So, this is something that is clearly profitable for him. He didn't have to you know, I think the state wants that too. They want more publicity of look how difficult we're making his life. Don't do this. And I think the more publicity he feeds it, the more it feeds into what they want, which is just more publicity around not using a Montana LLC. >> The issue is that they don't control the narrative, he does. So, he can say whatever he wants and the reason why he has 10 million subscribers, 10 million followers is because he's really good at influencing opinion. Whether whether it's uh you know, negative or positive. Um, and there's so many comments on his video saying, "Oh, this is the state of Tennessee um uh durability test." You know, like, "Oh, we're going to we're going to see where this goes." You know? I think people are ready for that and I think people want to see that. I don't think this is a like for most people, for those 10 million subscribers most of those people aren't owning Ferraris and then they're they're using some tax loophole to to you know, go to Montana. Um, there are there are also other loopholes that you can use that that isn't Montana that are like less well known. Um, but realistically, I don't see that this is like a gigantic issue and especially not one that the state is willing to expend millions and millions of dollars cuz that they would be into that millions and millions of dollars. So, like so now like if they want to make an example out of him, like now it's going to cost them. Now it's going to cost them time and money cuz that cost them money. They have a budget. They don't have unlimited money to do this, but Cody has the ability to essentially make unlimited content from this. You know, he made that tax evasion t-shirt. He made um a carbon fiber cowboy hat um that one of my friends made and you know, those were going for 25, 2600 dollars. You know, and and those those sold out. Like it is it is crazy that um you know, you're trying to not necessarily extort, but you're trying to get money out of this guy who otherwise would have just paid the money. Like he I guarantee you if they went to Cody and said, "Hey, this is a this is an issue or whatever." But again, I don't think that's their goal. I don't think their goal is money. I think it's to make an example. >> it may have been a misstep because he's just going to fight it. He'll have unlimited money and he'll be able to set the narrative. >> they were hoping he would make content. I think it's just to dissuade people. But I think he will be able to set the narrative. That's the only thing. He's He's got a 10 million The narrative I think is already set. Even if he wins, people just think I don't want to go up against that. I don't want to do the same thing. I I think the ROI doesn't make any sense for the state. The ROI has it does not make any sense for the state and I think they miscalculated um they they have no idea how to how to how to Maybe they are working with other states though. Yeah, but anyways, that's just what I think. But speaking of all the cars that WhistlinDiesel buys, what do you think is the perfect car collection for a hundred thousand dollars and for a million dollars? It all depends on what you want, but uh let's see. For a hundred thousand dollars, you could I think the answer is always going to be some sort of Porsche. So, if you got like a Porsche Boxster S for like buy it used for or like a Cayman. Uh Cayman S, um you could do that for 30 grand, 30 40 grand. And then you can get something that's uh you know, pretty practical. So, you can probably get like a like a Tesla, you know, Model S that uh is otherwise boring, but also, you know, kind of fast and and does everything you need it to do. >> [snorts] >> And then like you can buy one of those for 25. So, then you'd have some money left over for something uh kind of off the wall. So, uh maybe like a like a true toy toy. Um, then I don't know. Like it it's it's really hard cuz a hundred thousand dollars is not what it once was, you know? Now you can spend that on like three quarters of a truck. Uh so, a hundred grand you know, it would all have to be in the used car market. Um, I would buy uh a Japanese 90s like icon. Something like a you know, Integra Type R or something like that where it is an experience you can no longer get and you can get those for like 20 grand. So, it would it would be something a little bit older. Not just older in terms of like my own nostalgia cuz 90s is you know, holds a special value to me. Uh and then you'd have a sports car, maybe a Porsche um you know, Boxster. If you can get into a 911, like an older 911, that would be great. Um, that's something that's still practical, but has has some sporty feel. And then you have uh like a family grocery getter. Uh like a Tesla or if you want to do a a gas powered something, then I don't know, maybe a uh Charger. Not not a Charger cuz you wouldn't be going to uh you know, donut competitions. I think um maybe Yeah, I think I think I think an EV Yeah, an EV would be would be great. So, that's a hundred thousand dollars. What about for a million dollars? >> For a million dollars, that becomes more interesting, but also a little bit harder because you can't get like the the hypercar stuff unless you get like a really ratty one. But if you want the best uh the best of um all worlds 911 GT3. Uh I would get one of those for 250. Uh GT3 manual, it is the best manual car I've ever driven. It's not even close. Then I would get a McLaren. Um, whether it's a 675, you can probably find what find them for like 225 or McLaren 720. Uh McLaren 720 can get it for about 225 to 230. So, let's say you're half a mil into it and you still have 500,000 dollars left over. Then uh I would have a uh something four-door. So, let's say like a Mercedes S-Class or like an Audi RS6 or something like that. Um, that's another 150. So, you have like 350 left over. And then, you know, if I if I were you, then I'd be like, "Well, I I'd put that into uh into some real estate and then just uh wait for my money to to double in seven years." But um I think if you had another 350, then it's whatever, you know, whatever you want. For me for me, I'd probably do like a uh Nissan R34 GT-R um you know, Skyline. Uh so, that's another like a good one is 150 grand. Uh and then like a Toyota Supra. And you know, so something that um hits on those like childhood dreams uh in your head. And I think that would be a pretty pretty good garage for for a million dollars. You'd have a little bit of money left over, but figure like tires and parts and What I really wanted is the 300SL replicas. Have you seen some of these? They look so unbelievably good, but they're selling now for like 300,000 dollars for like a one-to-one replica. So, one of my friends was selling them uh well was selling them. It was sold sold one on Bring a Trailer. And uh yeah, it was like 300 grand. It's crazy. So, it's on like a newer chassis, um but they are very close. Um, there there are some tail telltale signs of like, "Well, uh they don't have this hole in the bottom of the bumper because that's where you put the jack handle and blah blah blah." But a real SL I mean, Tyler Hoover just bought a bought a SL Gullwing and those are 2 million dollars, you know? Um, so for you to get a car that is 15% of the price, that's not a bad deal. However, you're still buying a like a SLK 230 that's 5500 dollars all day long with a body kit. So, you have to contend with that. It is well done and like I don't know. Uh maybe this this uh this is a difference between me and you because like it's in a philosophy sense. Because I don't like the fake cars. Like I cuz because it it it screams to me like this is I'm trying to fool somebody else uh into thinking like it's a it's a fake handbag or whatever. Even if it looks really really convincing. It's it's fine. But like I'm still trying to put out into the world that I have this possession that is not legitimate. Um now if if you're looking for the actual experience of an SL, you're not going to get it in that replica cuz it's a modern car. It's a modern car and it's not like a tube chassis with a inline six and you know blah blah blah blah. Um what I would do, there are companies that make like accurate replicas. Um there's a Bugatti Type 57 or something like that. Like this pre-war Bugatti. And it is like 98% accurate. So like uh this company uh makes every single part. They do it exactly the way that they would have done it back in the day. The car needs to start the way that you know it has has a little handle in the front. And but it's it's new. It's like all the parts are new. But it looks like a Bugatti made 100 years ago. And it still is a replica, but it's it's uh it's been ordained by Bugatti as like >> Yeah. But those are 200 grand. But the real ones are millions of dollars. So I feel like you can get the you know not only is this like more or less like an actual Bugatti for 200 grand, but you're getting the exact experience that that that guy in the million you know two three million dollar car would get with his car. And uh that's that's the only contention. Like if you're getting the exact same experience for 10%, go for it. If you're not and it's just like well it's a thin veneer of like kind of looks like an SL or it kind of looks like a uh uh Diablo, but it's actually a Fiero with 130 horsepower. Like these two things are not the same. What about salvage cars? I look Facebook all the time and I see these great deals and I click on it and it says salvage. Uh so unless you are willing to go above your uh current um you know mechanical knowledge of uh you know doing an oil change or or you know whatever that is. Like I think you have to know what you're looking at. There's a lot of people that that think that you can get a deal on something because oh expensive thing cheap now. And I want to like I I'm going to get one over on the man by buying this. Meanwhile in order to actually do things properly and fix this properly, it's going to cost you way more than it would have to to actually just buy a used one. So I would be like buyer beware on on salvage cars unless you know a lot of things about that particular model. Um so there are cars that are like good deals. Um like let's say if you have like an older Porsche and it has maybe some body damage, but you know that those cars are like steel cars and steel can be you know brought back or you can buy these panels like relatively cheaply. That's different from like say a newer Porsche where everything's aluminum and you can't you can't uh you can't pull it like you can with an older one. Uh you have to put it on a a frame machine and then basically cut out everything, replace the aluminum because you it it just won't uh conform the way steel would. What about mileage? I know this is a very context-dependent decision, but generally speaking, what mileage should you look under? I don't care about mileage. It's it's like it's So so this is the car version of does body count matter? Like it is it is really like well how many owners does it have? I don't care. Like I I think you can have a car that has a million miles on it, but it's still in good work running condition. You can have a car that has 300 miles that is barely running. What's the highest mileage car you've ever seen? Well, I mean I I have the I have Matt Farah's million mile Lexus. We have a Lexus LS400 with a million miles on it. How's it running? Great. It it right it runs great. I mean it leaks a little bit, but other than that it's a Lexus. So it literally will run forever. Uh it's a V8 um automatic. Uh it's I mean it's it's not a spring chicken. Um but uh it does have uh like everything on the interior works. Um all the you know the radio, the air conditioning, all that's fine. Uh you know you can it's fairly comfortable. It's it's a supple ride. The leather's good. All that. How much could you sell it for? I bought it for a dollar. So I mean like ROI is really good. You know like even if I sold it for five bucks, I mean it's 500% profit. >> Better than any investment you've made. Yeah. I had a dollar car. >> If I if I sold it for a thousand dollars, it'd be a thousand percent. Oh no, I'd be a thousand times my profit. Yeah. A thousand X. You just did that over and over and over again. >> Oh my god, I'd be I'd be I'd be loaded. What car brand would you refuse to buy? Koenigsegg. No. Um >> [laughter] >> I uh I don't think I'd refuse to buy anything. I I I I want to learn more about every car brand I can because I want to see the engineering solutions. I want to see how these companies solve problems. Um and it's really interesting seeing how different countries and and different companies uh solve problems. Like the British solve solve them in a very specific way and the the Germans solve them in a very specific way and the Japanese solve the like so it's everything just adds to like my knowledge um and understanding of of how uh how engineering works and how different people's brains work. But there's no car that I would be like oh I'm never buying a car from that manufacturer because if if there's a manufacturer that makes really really bad cars, then that's just an opportunity to like make them better if you care about that platform. Like let's say if I you know McLarens. Like if if McLaren um like McLaren has some reliability issues. And uh but I really like driving them. So I wouldn't say I wouldn't buy a car buy a McLaren because they're unreliable. I would just buy one and then find out how it works and fix what doesn't work, you know? I'm always so tempted on Facebook. I saw one. It was a 2006 Bentley Flying Spur. Ooh. And it had like 70,000 miles. >> Mhm. $18,000. I amend my statement. I would not buy a Bentley. Why is that? >> So that So a Bentley Flying Spur or a Bentley Continental GT. I did have a '06 and it was the most hateful wrenching experience I've ever had. In order to um fix one of those cars, it had a very specific issue that the early ones. Flying Spurs I believe had this as well, the early ones. So uh it is a giant W12 with twin turbos. There's no room in that engine bay for anything. Like you have like it it is a very cramped engine bay. So uh there are these vacuum lines, these little 35 cent vacuum hoses that go on the back of the engine like along the transmission and they are inaccessible. And they will crack because it's a really hot engine bay. There's a lot of heat cycles. Over time those vacuum hoses crack, give you a check engine light. Car's not going to run right. It's like an emissions thing. And in order to get to those lines, the engine has to come out. A 35 cent hose. You can on any other car, you can put that hose anywhere and then just oh this hose cracked boom. You know it's five minute five minute deal. This is a 30 plus hour ordeal. And while you're at while you're there, why not change things like the starter because those those go and it's really inaccessible. There's like there's a bunch of stuff that that you have to do while the engine's out. And then while you're pulling it out, all the fittings and hoses, they're all brittle so they break. So you got to replace those. And the same thing for the cooling system and it's just it's just a nightmare. Um so I would not recommend that car even though I do like Bentleys uh like the later ones. The V8s and like they're super super cool. But like the early W12 Bentleys, unless you like really hate yourself, like really hate yourself and want to get uh dirty and have a car that isn't really that fun to drive and it feels really heavy, then you know I I would just stay away from that car. All right, what's your first gut response to these next couple questions? Okay. What's the worst car of all time? What's the image that comes to your mind? >> Uh I want to say Yugo GV, but that's not true. Um but yeah, Yugo GV it's this uh this car um made in the late '80s and early '90s from Yugoslavia. Country doesn't exist anymore. And uh it was sold here. Uh actually it was brought to the States by a guy um that um brought Subaru to the to the States as well. Um and uh his name is Malcolm Bricklin. And uh yeah, it's it it was just sold it for like $39.95 and it was just hateful and and just didn't drive well and yeah, they're they're pretty crappy. The best car of all time. McLaren F1. And it's not even That was That was See that was a true gut response right there. >> Yeah. Which car YouTuber is the worst with money? The fash. >> [laughter] >> Without a doubt. When when Doug DeMuro said I'm worried about Freddy. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. I'm like I was What's crazy What's really crazy is when when you're uh you know watching podcast and then Doug DeMuro says like hey I'm worried about you and I'm like oh god. Oh [laughter] my god. Um uh yeah, the the worst with money I I don't know what anybody else's financials are, but I have to assume it's me. Who's the best with money? Uh Graham. No. A car YouTuber. >> Oh yeah. You're not a car YouTuber? No. >> You wouldn't You don't consider yourself a car You have You have cool cars. Okay. Um Stradman. The best with money? Yeah. More than Doug DeMuro? Yeah, Doug DeMuro. No, yes. No. No. No. No. Doug's very specific with money, but he can be pretty frivolous. He'll He'll buy He'll buy some some car that he considers cool and and then that's like I think I I don't think Doug DeMuro I'm I'm I'm glad I'm I think he's totally fine with money. I think he's he's great. I think Stradman has monetized himself in such a way that he can afford hypercars and an incredible house and an incredible lifestyle and he's opening up pizza places and there's like upward mobility there. Doug I think put all his eggs in one basket and it and it it did pan out for him very very well. But he said it himself. He's like, well, I don't know if I can do this again. I'm sure he can. I I have a lot of faith in Doug and I know he does he's very calculated with his decisions. But I I feel like Stradman's probably like in terms of growth and ROI, I think he's probably better. If you could only own one car for the rest of your life, what would it be? GT3. If you could only own one car for the next year, what would it be? Like and then after that I just don't don't own cars anymore? >> do whatever you want. Oh oh oh, okay. Um Aston Martin DBS. Why? Um it's the last V12 uh big body Aston Martin with a manual. I love it. It sounds like an old F1 car. It's uh it's fantastic to drive. It's great date night car. Uh it's practical and and it just I think it's the best looking Aston Martin made in the last 25 years. If you were to take a guess on your next massive rebuild, what would it be? >> [sighs] >> First gut response. La Ferrari. I was about to say you need that holy trinity. That's the one car that's missing. >> I need I need a LaFerrari that hit So it's uh So I have the uh P1 that has been flood damaged. So you have a water type and then you have the the fire type 918. So I need a ground type. Um so I need the the Is that a grass type? Well, yeah, gra- yeah, gra- grass type not ground type. Ground type would be what? Like Diglett or whatever. So um No, I need a Bulbasaur, right? So I need uh I need a LaFerrari in the field or in a forest or something. >> Yeah. Do you know of any that exist? Uh I mean not not ones that are that need like an an insane amount of work. The problem is they're $5 million. Like a a good one is five mil. $5 million. I don't know if I could ever ever do something like that. Um because like even even if you crashed and like it broke in half, they're still going to ask like a million or two for it. So like I don't know what that looks like. But then again, I said this, you know, back in the day and now you know, I somebody said, "Hey, do you want a Porsche 918?" And you know, I I I said, "How much how much do you want for it?" Initially, they wanted something like 400 grand and then we got them down to 145. So I'm sure that there is some LaFerrari, you know, that's been in a wreck that's just sitting in a in a garage somewhere. And then, you know, if I have two nickels rubbed together, I can go over there and be like, "I can rebuild this." >> Or the Ferrari Enzo. That would be another one. Enzo would be >> Eddie Griffin one or the one on PCH that's split in half. Like one of those. >> Griffin one would be cool, but uh yeah, the Enzo is is a interesting one. But what I would do with an Enzo is I would manual convert it. Like I think an Enzo with a manual would be amazing and I think that would 100% get me a letter from Ferrari. Like Ferrari would be like >> sued. >> Yeah, yeah, you can't you can't uh you can't do this. But uh I would That's what I would do with an Enzo. Speaking of water type, I just got a text to my phone saying they have noticed continuous water at my property. So I have to go make a phone call real quick. >> Best of luck to you guys. We've already had two leaks in the new Ice Coffee Hour warehouse. Hopefully it's not three. But that's it. Anyways, we're going to be wrapping up the podcast soon anyways. I do want to say thank you so much for the hospitality. Well, hopefully you do you don't have a uh >> I'll finish this off. I'll finish this off. You you do the call. I'll finish it off. Thank you so much. You guys are by the way are the best hosts. >> No, no problem. >> Seriously, it's incredible. You had this whole like guest unit, but everything is in there. You open the fridge, there's water in there, there's drinks, snacks everywhere, coffee. The bathroom, I was blown away. You're an inspiration for Macy and I because you go in the bathroom, there's like toothpaste, there is flossers, everything you need like aspirin, like So yeah, I mean that I can't I don't take any um at like that's not me. That's that's my my better half. So yeah, she does she's really really good at making people feel at home because she's like, "I don't know what people need and and whatever." So here's here's every thing and if you have any requests, if you have if you want something for breakfast or you want, you know, like a grocery run, she'll go and get it. >> It's incredible. So thank you so much for that. >> Thank you for watching. We'll link to all your info down below in the description. >> And the and the email the new email I found >> Oh, yes. And the new email, you never know. I think this might be a good idea. Maybe. So reach out. Thank you again for watching and until next time.