“I Lost $700,000” – Why Mike Majlak Is Single, Won’t Buy Real Estate, & Can’t Leave California

I remember having to like put two bucks in gas into my gas tank. And so I see money as security. I know that I have gas for the next 20 years. I never thought I was going to have anything, bro. Take your keys, Mom. You have a brand new car. I think people really expect stuff to just happen and they don't see the work it takes to get there. Well, obviously you're very successful. Would you have become successful regardless? A,000%. Everything that I do in life to an extent is finesse based. That has always been my forte. So as far as like the combo of me and Logan is concerned. He's always been the strategic mind. He's always been the pull and I'm the handshaker. My true wealth is in network and access. How does someone get started networking like that? Assuming they have no connections, no podcast. They just want to meet great people who are levels above them. I think there's two things you have to do. I think one is you have to understand. Welcome to the podcast. Really appreciate it. We had a bit of a back and forth online. I saw you lost $700,000 on a house. I reacted to it. Then you reacted to my reaction. What happened with the house? It was a dream purchase of mine. And I I I saw all the videos obviously and I I'm I'm trying to remember like what things you were right about and what things you were just like making assumption on cuz you're usually pretty spot on. I think I broke down your income. I tried to based on what your monthly mortgage payment would be, assuming you like a 25% DTI. I I worked backwards to try to figure out what you What was the number that you came up with? I think it was like 2 million a year, give or take. No, it was it was 3 million is what you came to because that's assuming that you maxed out the the house purchase based off of your income. You also could have bought something, you know, lower. I could Yeah, I could. Uh I you're this that assumption is probably at the time was probably pretty accurate. Yeah. I listen I went into a a a peaked out LA market. I wanted to make a purchase. I had the means to make a purchase. I I you you guys have never seen me buy a Lamborghini. Although you do like the car that's outside. We can talk about it after. But what do you what do you drive? I got an RSQ8 and I did a a build out with Opt performance from Germany. So it's an RSQ8 R. It's like a one of 100. I love it. It's gorgeous. I could hear it pull in. It's really it's great, but still I mean I I just haven't made a lot of those big purchases and I I you know at at my age I try to be a little bit more safe with with the stupid that I buy. So So when I went into the market in 2021, 2022 to try to buy a house, I kind of came out looking for like a $2 million house. And if you're watching this right now from like a non LA market, you would think like, wow, that would get you like a pretty nice like home. That doesn't get you in the door anywhere in LA. like it it will put you into something that you I just didn't really want to be in. So the the budget just kept going up up and up and I found that house and I ended up getting into like a bidding war with like I know Stacey was like bidding on it and like a bunch of other like creators. It was just this really beautiful like canyons view and I mean dude that's a 3.5 $3.6 $6 million house. And by the time my realtors were like, you got to come in with a strong offer. Like, we want to go in at 4.125. And I was like, dude, whatever, man. Like, let's do it. And so, I get it. And it was I I realized pretty immediately like I was like, dude, I'm I'm going to get rinsed on this, dude. I just bought at the height of the market. Things started to correct at right after I bought it. And uh some things happened that forced me out of the house in a time that you know I would have liked to have continued holding it and letting equity grow in it and I was I was kind of forced to get out of the house quickly. Um and I got just rinsed on you know on the sales agent fees basically. And did you also clarify that? You should clarify you didn't he's a ex-reate agent, but you you didn't clarify that this is not anything that you did that then got you kicked out. Correct. Correct. People are going to assume that like something went wrong with neighborly dispute or no financial thing. I mean, I I I'll put it like this. It's at some point I'll get a little bit more granular on it, but it became a little bit of like a security risk. Um, if you don't know about what goes on in LA, like if you're going to be a creator or a celebrity or an athlete that lives in like a non-gated neighborhood, you probably need like some pretty heavy security at the house. Um, and even though I'm somebody who has nothing to ste I don't, you know, this is my watch. You know what I'm saying? Like, do you want my rubber band? Like, um, it's you just you need to be cautious. and I wasn't as cautious as I could have been about how the home was purchased and how I shot around it and stuff like that and it became uh a bit of an issue and at some point maybe I'll be able to tell those stories a little bit more clearly but I was basically forced out because of the conditions of the city and just the the the culture out here and how uh things happen and so yeah for security is there anything you would have done differently in the future? you know, there's like a whole like playout of of how you you're supposed to like defend a home and like there's like deterrence, there's, you know, monitoring, there's, you know, acute safety measures. Um, and a lot of those I I did to the best of my ability, but I just I just um there's just only so much you can do. You know what I'm saying? And it's like it's like you would in in in other states, you know, there's there's a little bit more response and a little bit more penalty and and LA is just really the wild west. I don't know how much time you guys spend here, but you guys see what's going on at this current time and it's our we've got a we've got an extremely weak um government and an extremely weak uh police force as a result of that government. You know, they're kind of handcuffed and it actually sucks to watch it happen. I'm talking about here in California, not as a whole. Um, it actually sucks to see it because a lot of the cops can't really even do their job. They're they're handcuffed. I mean, we've had we've had a number of um over the years security issues, whether it be me, Logan, you know, even when I was dating Lana, like there was just always like problems here and the reaction time is just is just insanely slow. I mean, you might have someone in your house with a and you might wait like 30, 40 minutes for a a cop to get there. It's it's pretty that's one of the things about California is that you can't use force on someone who breaks into your house unless your life is in immediate danger. And sometimes you don't know if someone breaks through your front door and they're not armed. How do you know that if it's at 3:00 in the morning and they seem deranged? How do you make those decisions of whether or not you defend yourself? And if you do, then there's so many risks that come with that as well. So, like as someone who who obviously has had to like study that playbook like in and out and was very very fluent in it in my last living arrangement. If if someone uses some level of significant force to enter your home in the middle of the night, I think even in California that they have that they have produced enough for an assumption of bodily harm. So if if if someone I don't know smashes through your back door and has a mask on and you don't know what's in their hand, I believe and and some legal person will check this out for me that you have justified uh capability to use force on them at that time whether or not they have a weapon because they've they've used force entry to get into your home. You have reasonable assumption of risk. Now, the difference in California is, man, if that dude does a quick turn and you get him in the back, it's it's you're in a major you have a major problem. And so, that's a that's really where the issue in um nonstand your ground states, right, is like, dude, if you if somebody can even make a attempt at saying that they were trying to flee uh or retreat is the legal term, you're you're in trouble, you know? So, yeah. Yeah. And then the problem is a lot of I mean virtually everybody doesn't know that small nuance when they have their home broken into and they're being flooded with those emotions. They can't make that call in that second like oh they're turning around, you know, or this or that. It's just like this person's in my house, you know, and they just stopped stomped on my cat. Like I got to do something. Exactly. And so for me now, man, I'm a uh you know upstairs multiple layers of like key fob security protocol type of guy. I just don't I just don't want to I there's beautiful apartments all over the country. You know what's funny is I always thought when I So I live in a house right now with four other guys and I always think if an intruder were to come in, would I be the first room that they enter? And in the house that I grew up in, I was in the bedroom that was closest to the front door. And it always freaked me out that like if there were something like going on, they'd probably go the first line of defense. I will say generally speaking, the front door is not the most utilized option for breakins. Okay, cool. It's it's that's not usually they're they're more glass guys out there. Um but but uh you know just from my past in general, you know, whether you want to think it was this past house or from my days as a you know dealer over the the history of my life, there's really no adrenaline dump like having that wakeup call. I mean, it is it is I I would encourage every person that's watching this to have whether you are a firearm owner or not to have a real drill and a real protocol for uh those type of events because if you think you're going to be relying on uh your ability to make decisions and come up and strategize at 2:30 in the morning with, you know, 30 milliseconds of time to to come up with something, you're wrong. You should you should have a full-on failp proof drill that you've run through a million times that includes, you know, um safe harboring for family members that includes, you know, your own firearms handling um and what that looks like. And whether you live in the safest state in the world or not, you know, I mean, if you live in Dubai and you're watching this, like just having good safety protocol for all these types of scenarios, I think is important, whether it's nuclear attacks, zombies, or or breakins. Yeah. So, what's your advice for homeowners who have a place that they don't want broken into? How would you prevent that from happening? It just once again, I think it just depends on where you are and and to an extent that the the likeliness of that type of thing happening. I mean, you and and everybody has their own, you know, uh comfort levels and has their own um idea of how how how likely it is to happen. But I mean all the way up to like they make great shields for glass that you can put down at night. Um they make um the SC is going to drive me crazy right now. They make uh uh armor tape. So like dude like I've been through all of this. Like this I went all the way up to like 24hour armed security at $50 an hour. Like just imagine the cost of that type of activity. run that through your your annual income uh calculate your I'll um you know they make armor tape I think I think first and foremost how are you keeping people out of your yard next is how are you keeping people out of your actual quarters and then after that it turns into like hey be ready to go you know and and dude that those moments are you'll remember them for the rest of your life you'll remember you know being at 90% on the trigger and just waiting for a target. It's it's there's, you know, for anybody who's ever done a tour or anything like that that's watching this, there's no adrenaline dump like that. I mean, it's it's it's it's a mind-blowing mind-blowing thing to to deal with. And and and certainly for anybody watching that's been through it, it's it it's a a traumainducing event. How long does it take you to go back to sleep after an event like that? Like just just spend another night in your house? [Music] Never. I mean, I would assume never, you know. I mean, I just don't think you ever really do, you know? It's just it's just it's I mean, I've I've been through so much of it in my life. I've been through so many, you know, of those adrenaline moments of like car accidents, police chases, stabbings, you know, ICUs, organ removals, felony arrests, you know, like organ remov. Yeah, I got my spleen removed in uh 299 and and it's just for me like it's all just too common. I mean, there's a reason why, you know, I have a bestselling book. It's one of the best reads you'll you'll ever read if you're into really graphic recounts. And we it just got optioned out for a movie actually for a full motion picture, which is insane cuz if I can be the first creator with a full motion picture with a you know 15 20 million million dollar budget, that's pretty awesome. Thank you. Thank you. We'll see what happens if it gets developed. But um it's I mean d those those type of moments in life are um are they're harrowing. You know, they change your they change your perception. And how do those moments in life compare to losing 700 grand on a house? Would you say that that was just as harrowing or do you think that that was like h you know it's not that big of of a deal? Yeah. How do you stomach that? That's a pretty big amount. Uh it's it's horrible. I mean it's horrible. But you want to know really the sense I made of it? I I think that like having as as a you know mid-level or macro um with with with who gets to a point where they're blessed enough to say I've been doing this for 5 to 10 years. Everybody has their loss story. You know, Logan and Jake and and Aiden and and Banks and all these people that I'm with all the time, like they've got multiple, right? I mean, Jake probably has more than anyone, I would assume. Um, and so for me, I had almost felt like uh it comes with the territory of like it's it's a very unfortunate situation. Uh, shout out to the accountants. You know, I'm sure there's going to be some creativity as it as it pertains to how that plays out, but you know, like was that the biggest loss you've ever had? Yeah, for sure. Because keep in mind because keep in mind I I it was it was a it was a 700k loss on the sale. So, I bought 4.125. I I'll get completely transparent with you. bought 4.125 the uh 1.125 of that you can check your math now was the down payment so it was a uh I think it ended up yes it for a for a jumbo non-inter uh non-interest or sorry interestonly loan right at 3 point like 34% for how long 10 years I was re I got a really good loan I was the last tunch before the rate hike, right? So, so when I got the check back for the house sale, I think I got back like 34 seven or three, like somewhere in the 3.4s. And so, the rest of it was completely washed out. So, it's like 700 plus,000. And then on top of that, the as you were talking about in the video, the monthly float plus tax on that house was about 20K. if not more a month. 20 to 25k a month. So it was like times 36 months. It's like another So to be in that house for three years almost exactly three years cost me like a million and a half. I mean you listen very fortunate to be able to say that you were able to lose that amount of money and still be smiling on your be smiling and laughing about extremely fortunate. Extremely grateful for for for it. But just do you. No, I'm curious. I don't think you're grateful for that. No, no, not for that, but just to be here. But like keep in mind, too, my the worst part of the story always is when you really keep in mind what you had to make in Los Angeles to lose 1.4 because I'm taxed at 53%. The highest tax rate in the country, right? So it think about that like I had to make over three mill. I had to lose I lost basically $3 million worth of work money. No, there's no way that you could write that off or find some There's There's creative means for sure. There's creative means for sure. It was it had become an investment property. It was rented out so it there's a whole bunch of creativity that can go into it for sure. Have you made money on real estate previously? Absolutely not. I've never made money on anything except for work and and like like really like brand revenue. Like that is my and ad revenue. That's my You're infuriating Graham with that and we're going to get on to that. Yeah, that's cuz that is I'm sure it's it's Here's the thing, man. I like to say that and I'm probably wrong about this, but I like to say that I've probably done more brand deals than anyone in the space. Like really, I've I'm I'm 500 episodes of Impulsive Deep and I'm, you know, 7 years of Weekly Night Shift episodes and I have had a sponsor in every single one of those, you know, episodes with the with the exception of a few. So, if there's I'm sure there's another creator out there who has done 700 plus brand deals, but like dude, I put Bluetooth on the map. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was the f one of the first creators. I was one of the first creators to work with prize picks. I'm going to you're probably going to have to bleep some of these for your sake, but you know, I've worked with every single brand that runs the circuit, Manscaped, and and all these brands. I was with them at inception for a lot of these creator programs because I understand creator programs because that's where I come from and that is where my money comes from. My money comes from sponsorships. My money comes from clothing. My my money comes from book sales. But as far as passive and and and strategic investments are concerned, I've I've done a terrible job. Yeah. Well, obviously you're very successful. Would you have become successful regardless? Uh I I like no matter what life throws your way, do you think you would have found a way to make things work? Now, really quick, you might have noticed that short form content has become one of the biggest drivers of growth for the iced coffee hour. 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I mean I'm an East Coast guy. I've got the gift of Gab. I've got great energy. I can walk into a room and make people laugh and make people happy and excited. And my friend Andrew Flanigan's father told me when I was or told him when I was a kid, he's like, "That may he's going to fall ass over feet into money for the rest of his life and you're going to have to work your ass off, but he's not." And like I try to remain extremely positive always and bring a really positive vibe to every scenario. And in a world where we're extremely anemic on positivity, it's refreshing. And so I had this job at Love Sack. I had a 401k. I had stock ownership. And this is coming with no credible background in marketing. Completely fake it till you make it. Like busted my way through the door there. Um by way of Sean Nelson, the CEO. And um I was good there. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I was just about to creep over six figure income there. I had stock ownership, 401k, retirement, you know? Um and that's how and that's when I was introduced to Logan. and we started back and forth. I joined him on the business side first and then we started the podcast together in 2018. So, you still have your 401k now? No, I rolled it over. I do have in I do have money managers. Like I don't I'm not like completely like an idiot. Like I've got teams that manage my cash, but as far as like you know like oh you know I bought this in Houston this you know two family in Houston in 99 and it's you know tripled my money. Never. Never dude. It's It's more like, "Oh, I lost 20K in Vegas this weekend." Where do you get this level of confidence from? Um, like you're obviously very very very good with people and with words. Yeah. I you know, it's it's uh it's something I've kind of always had. I've always had it. It's it's it's to to an extent like sometimes kind of noncredible and and and just created. But um I think as you start to make credible take credible actions in life and create an inventory of work that's when your confidence really goes crazy. Like if id come and sat down here with you guys like 5 years ago like you know my vibe might be a little bit different but you know you you start to put together a catalog of of work and successes and bestselling books and podcasts with presidents and you know numerous things and all of a sudden you that will boost your confidence and that's why it's important that people that don't have confidence do fake it right and and find a way to immerse themselves in activities that scare them because that waiting into the resistance is what will create confidence for you if you don't already have it. The I tell people all the time the resistance is where you want to be. You know, as as Yester would say, seek discomfort, right? Like that is where you want to live. Whatever is saying like you're not ready for this, whatever is saying like you you you can't do this or might not be able to do this and it scares you and you feel your nerves and you sit down and you turn a camera on, you start sweating and stumbling over words you normally wouldn't. That's exact. You're doing exactly what you need to be doing to to create confidence. But how do you rationalize that confidence when in the beginning of the podcast or even maybe it was before we we started filming you were like, "Yeah, I have like horrible anxiety and like I snap this, you know, bracelet on my wrist." It's been a a tremendous undertaking. I mean, my my mental health is is uh it's it's pro that's probably the reason why it took as long as it took for us to get the show done. I mean, I as much as I show up for my audience, I'll go non-external shows for months at a time if I'm going through a really rough time. You know, I I struggle a lot with my mind. I always have. It's part of the reason why I went to substances in the first place and spent, you know, almost 10 years as a and and all the things that I used to do because I have to take steps every single day to cope with those situations. And so, I guess that's kind of the answer to the question is like that's my first job every day. I clock into that job before you get a text back, before I do any of my brand discussions, before I talk about 1010en Burger, before I talk about any of the new companies we're launching or set up, you know, new guests for impulsive. It's it's my first job, which is get up, rearrange my my narrative that's in my mind that might not be one that is beneficial. it's go to the gym for an hour and sweat and continue to work on my body and drink water and do all these things that you know you kind at least I and people like me have to do just to show up to job number two which is this you know and so um I write a lot about this I talk a lot about this um I just it's just something I've always dealt with you know and and you can see it in some of the first shows you know I walked off set multiple times I'm sw having panic attacks and have haven't had panic attacks as much anymore. Um but but even a few months ago, you know, if I any anytime I go through a major life trauma, which I've has never ended, I've been through so many and they just kind of continue. Uh I will I'll be more prone to have those type of panic attacks and and uh mental health emergencies or crisises. Has making more money helped boost your confidence? It's funny because like the the confidence and the mental health ironically like don't play as much together as you would think. Like I don't know how to describe it. It's more of like just like cuz like I said like I've always been super confident. Like I I will look back at you know the girls that I was dating when I was 15 years old or when I was 100 pounds overweight after I got like I always had a hot girlfriend. I always had a bunch of great friends. I always was doing something that people were like how is he doing this? You know what I'm saying? like why is why is you know he doing a show with this person or how did he get get connected to the president or why like that kind of stuff is always just I've always been able to make that stuff happen. So from a confidence standpoint yeah money surely helps fuel that but it doesn't help with mental health. It I mean it just it's that whole like money is going to fix everything. It's like dude there's a reason why the the the problem doesn't go away for Anthony Bourdain or for Robin Williams or for you know, other people uh who have endless amounts of money who, by the way, are also some of the most beloved. They're not these are these are people are like not even really criticized. They're like people that are just universally adored and loved people. Um because it's it's if it's just something that unfortunately is is uh you got to work on it all the time, you know, and it and it and it unfortunately continues to become more and more prevalent because of the phones and social media and and everything that we have nowadays. So at what point in your life though would you say that you got rich and what in your life did improve then if not for more mental health and like you know clarity and stuff like that? The one thing like that really improves the most about your mental health is like when you get to a point where I remember having to like put two bucks in gas into my gas tank. You know what I'm saying? To go to the methodone clinic. Like I remember it and I had a a Ford um this like little Ford SUV that the catalytic converter was like broken on and it would smoke on the highway and like I would have to like I remember those days. And so when you when when I see money, I look at like I see money as security. I don't look at it as like, oh, I could get a bigger house or I could get this. Like I look at it as like I can I know that I have gas for the next 20 years. You know what I'm saying? And like I think I think like that is the biggest blessing you could ever have. Like yo, if I don't really this up in a meaningful way, like there's a chance that I might not have to worry about that. You know what I'm saying? And like that's what so many people out there, you know, have to think about when they wake up in the morning is like, how am I going to eat today? How am I going to how am I going to pay my rent? And being able to kind of like put that away and and to not have to think about that the second you wake up every day is is is the gratitude that does keep you sane when you don't always feel sane because you just can't help but feel so thankful for that ability in life to not have to to worry about how you're going to eat that day and how you're going to put gas in your car. You know what I'm saying? And so many people have to worry about that. And so that's definitely one of the biggest one of the biggest changes. And then after that, it just it opens you up to to explore and to try new things and to create new mediums and to evolve where if you're a 9to-5, you really have to like hustle. And I did that like I I remember when I when I first went over to work with Logan at Maverick after Tokyo. Um, I I talk a lot about risk in the book and about calculated risk, not gambling. And so when I when I was going to go over to Maverick and start working with with Logan on the business side, I I made sure that I took Love Sack with me. So I consulted to Love Sack for a monthly rate as a consultant because I because I wanted to make sure that like, hey, like, you know, you just did Tokyo and then you tased that rat and like what are you going to do next? It's like what if Maverick even though it's doing $50 million a year in revenue right now in 2018 by the way what's going to happen or sorry 2017 major difference between 2017 and 2018 for that organization what it what happens if something worse happens right so for me I'm a shraddler I'm a big believer in diversified income diversified revenue streams and everybody needs to get into that habit like you need multiple verticals of revenue to to really feel that security because things happen and at What point would you say you became rich? Honestly, like a a lot of a lot of my a lot of my like realizations about money have come from losses, which is funny uh because I remember those days more. I I'll I'll always remember like, you know, my when I first started getting like six six figure wires. like I'll I'll remember that and like okay like wow I just got a you know check for $260,000 like that's insane. You know what I'm saying? Like it just and it just hits your account. You wake up and you're eventually gets to a moment where you're just like it just goes in with the rest of the money and maybe it doesn't even hit you the same. But I the days I remember the most are it maybe like my the first year I had to pay seven figure taxes was probably like I I I remember the day like it was yesterday and my accountant called and shout out Alex and he was like um hey we just you know revised all your numbers and we have your final figure and I I think in my mind I was like you know 560 720 like where's it going to where's it going to land this when I really first started making money and he was like he was like uh by next Monday you got to wire out like 1.23 million to the and I was like I was like what and I reme and I and I remember my bank my bank of America I looked at my account and the number for the wire had to go down to another line. So like so like you know how it's all lines of your spends and and and debits and credits in your account. It had to go down to the next line. So it was like one comma 2 three 0 like and then zero zero. You know what I'm saying? Like it went down to another line and I was like bro this is this is horrible. And and now I look back and I'm like obviously it was a blessing to have made that much money and and and to to to I guess be able to contribute to fix that many potholes, but like just when you start sending those uh and and I remember uh there was the Drake lyric before I ever even made that much money and it was like now nowadays it's six figures when they tax me and I would always hear him say that before I even started making money and then when by the time it came to me it was seven figures and I was like oh my god. And now I've done that multiple times obviously. And it's just been, you know, when you start when you start moving in in those levels, it's, you know, that's kind of when you start having the realization like, okay, like I've I've made some money here. But for me, but for me, the difference with me, dude, and the difference with me and every other creator and I really like maybe with the exception of like maybe banks to an extent is like my true like wealth is in network and access. Like I just have finessed and like created a network that is like I'm just I'm so curious. Who is the most famous person in your phone? Bro, you couldn't even believe it. You I mean, we can I mean, whoever you want and whoever you want. We can get on FaceTime with Dave Chappelle right now. I mean, we can I've spent nights out with Dave Chappelle with Dave Chappelle in uh Australia and Brisbane. I I I remember I was in uh I was in um Gold Coast on this trip and we had done shows with UFC with Perth, but I split off after and I went to Gold Coast and I was at the Langum and I was getting into the elevator and I see somebody walked by me with security. I was like, I wonder who that was. And and uh he turns around, I turn around, he goes he goes, Mike. And I was like, Dave, what the hell? He goes, what you doing here, man? Like I I usually could do a better accent, but he's like, I got this show tonight in Brisbane. He's like, uh, and I was with these two, uh, Australian girls. He was like, "Bring them up. Bring them up to my show, you know, in Brisbane night." And so I go up there and, uh, he does this like sold out arena show. And his manager texts me. He's like, "Dave, want you to come back to to the to his red room cuz his he has no green room. He has a red room. I go back there. He's got his his a giant speaker. He's just sitting back there with like tequila and joints and and it's just me, him, these two Aussie like, you know, Instagram models or whatever. and he's talking to me all night about like what you guys are doing and the podcast and what those brothers are doing the sport of boxing is you got to let me tell that story and and you know and I I'm like dude do you eat by any chance? I was like do you want to like should we go get dinner? Should we go out to dinner? And he's he's wheeling this uh this uh portable speaker with him and he keeps playing the same radio head song over he's just as eclectic as you would imagine. He's planned unreleased podcast, him, Talibi, uh, Bill Murray, Kanye, like podcast like I don't think I've ever even heard seen the light of day potentially. But we go out, we go to dinner, this restaurant, Brisbane hooks us up, Bris Vegas as they call it in Australia, all this Australian Wagu. We go to this uh to this club after. And I remember I had a I had a one of the most embarrassing moments for me of all of this like fame and and and is I was in this club in Australia and it's me and Daveel literally just standing by ourselves, two of us, his buddies DJing and um this Aussie like 17-year-old Aussie kid or maybe a little bit older comes up to me in front of Dave and goes, "Hey, can I get a picture with you?" because he's a you because he's a new age YouTube and I I just I wanted to say, "Dude, do you know who you're in front of right now? This is the greatest comic of all time potentially." Like, are you and I I think I did. I think I pulled him around and said that to him. But dude, it's it's um that has always been my forte. So, so as as far as like the the combo of me and Logan is concerned, he's always been the business side. He's always been the strategic mind. He's always been the pull. and I'm the handshaker. And and truthfully, like there's there's a bunch of there's a bunch of comparatives and and complimentaries like, you know, you've got fanatics with Michael Rubin. He's got a right hand named Will Merris who is incredible at at handshakes and and room work. That is my bread and butter. That is what I do. If I told you how many of the guests that were on impulsive that were relationships of mine that were brought on because I had spent you know three days with them in Vegas and out every night at XS and you know or or or you know they were going to fly into Saudi Arabia and I said okay I have the plug in Riad or in Jedha and I connect them with you know Fisel. Shout out Feistil and you know I I've I've worked every country on this planet and have the plug everywhere. Like when I go to Copenhagen in two weeks and I want to go to a beach town in Sweden, you know, in a car like it'll the car will be ready, you know, like it's that's what I do for me. I'm just like a big relationships guy and and I truly care about people and and that goes from all the way from, you know, Chappelle and and and those type of people all the way down to my audience, you know, like not down to but like across to my audience. Like even I said, it's not what I've need. Do you have to like networking to be good at it? 100%. 100%, dude. Cuz cuz also like there like you can't fake this. I'm just saying like for the audience, let's just say there's someone out there who doesn't know anybody, but they want doesn't like networking. I hate networking. So does Logan. You you couldn't drag him to anything. He just doesn't do it. And uh and so what so what does it take? I mean, and and how do you do it? Once again, it's it's it's definitely uh making a conscious decision to to go swim in the water and to go towards the resistance. The idea like dude I I can't tell you how many times I've gone out in uh I was at the box in London with Alex from the Chain Smokers. These are all just random nights that just pop in my mind and like a couple business guys maybe like two months ago and they'll hang out there but at some point in the night, you know, it was like 4 in the morning. I make a decision where I'm just like, I think there's more to see tonight and I'll just go explore. Like I'll just go out and depending on where I am, maybe security, maybe not, whatever. And I'll go and I met I ran into a group of uh young Macedonian dudes and they were like, "Let's go to the casino." And I'm like, "Let's go." And I all of a sudden those are my that's my new crew for the night. Like it's not just Chappelle. It's like dude I will hang out with anyone to your point. Love meeting people. And I don't care what you do. I I'll sit and talk at the bus stop and talk to the to a person at the bus stop for 20 minutes. How do you keep in touch with everybody though cuz I can only handle maybe 10 people. 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And now, let's get back to the episode. If you even could, today might even slow it. Like, look at those are just from where we sat down. No, that's just since we sat down. Those blue dots, dude, this is every like few minutes. Not even. It's It's like every minute you're getting a new tax. 358 346 339 38 36 32 32 27 18 17 12 309 that's all in the last Yeah. And and and I don't know I mean if you see any name there's might be some names that you know in there but it's it's you know it's usually like there's business stuff there's travel planning there's you know it's like it's it's it just never really ends. Holy. That is hilarious. Wait, so how often are you just leaving people on red and just all the time? All the I the classic story that everybody always talks about is uh one of Jimmy's f beast's favorite thing to do is to call creators when he goes for walks. Everybody knows this, right? And he has brought it up like multiple times on shows. He's like the only person that doesn't answer my call on it is Mike. Doesn't answer my call. doesn't respond to my I'm like dude I the greatest mind in our generation like in our group in our creative set Jimmy is a genius an actual genius but I just I don't I don't always see it like I I won't see it'll get mixed up with you know the guy at the bus stop literally or like the bottle girls from Atlanta like or or whoever right and it's just I think like a a certain level of of the networking thing is just is just priority control which obviously even in that in certain cases like beast is a failure on my part but like you know managing the alligator closest to the boat. How does someone get started networking like that assuming they have no connections, no podcast, they just want to meet great people who are levels above them. I think every city has players. They're they're not our they're not us, right? But like every like in Orange, Connecticut, you know, which is like a city of probably 20,000 people, there's there's someone there that is connected to someone above them. It's a it's it's to an extent like I hate to use the term, but like they call it ladder climbing. And you know what I'm saying? Like one room just is simply going to put you in the next one. And the first room is not going to be attractive. It's not. It wasn't for me. My first room might have been an AA meeting. Like the first person that ever gave me a chance was this lady named Denise who was doing freelance work with AOL and she was like, "I just like your energy. I think you're I think you're a good person and I want to give you a chance taking pictures and writing about local businesses." You know what I'm saying? And and and now the room is Mara Lago, you know what I'm saying? Or it's or it's, you know, somewhere in Abu Dhabi, you know what I'm saying? Or I've got deals now in Dubai. I've done a ton of work with Saudi. You know, like it's it it's wild how some creative application could bring you to places that you never thought it would. Especially in 2025. Especially in 2025. Couple things. That's funny you're using that chapstick cuz I went on Amazon and I sorted by the cheapest per chapstick cuz they tell you like the unit. Yeah. By unit. That's the cheapest one. So So this shirt was sent to me by Culture Kings. I did not pay for it. This hat was sent to me by a guy named OG. Uh 11 is his company. Uh he sends these to me for free. These shoes, these Travis's I got as a as a a brand deal with a a clothing store. I am I am so cheap, dude. Like I And it's I really really I'm just such a I like I don't like spending money on I just don't. I just don't. I I get offended by it. I've always been around like reckless spenders that like just make me like cringe a little bit. And Logan was always kind of an example of that cuz he has just different habits than I do. But now it's like Aiden is like watching Aiden is just I've never seen anything like I'm curious. What about Aiden? Uh I mean dude, he'll he'll just he'll book a uh LA No, sorry. He'll book a Miami to Vegas to LA to San Diego to Vegas to LA to San Diego to Vegas to Miami jet. like as opposed to normal people who would book a a private jet like normal people normal rich people who would book a private jet based on their legs that they know they're doing then like he'll be like no I'm not going on that anymore and the jets like well I mean you know you paid in the cruise here and you're paying for this right and he's he's Aiden's like is he paying that out of pocket or is does he have like sponsors he's paying out of pocket it's out of pocket but he has money so how much is something like that going to cost 20 30 grand probably well for for the one for one for one It depends on the leg. I mean, he hundreds of thousands of dollars just like that. I just am always shocked when he does like that cuz I've known Aiden now for like, you know, a good several years and we lived obviously together in in the Clyborn house with Banks and he's just he he just it the one thing I will say about him is he just doesn't understand real life because he was like what like you know 18 or 19 when he started making absurd amounts of money. So he never had to put two bucks in his gas tank. But have you ever tried to talk to him and say, "Hey man, maybe we should dial back 20%." Yeah. Yeah. About something that I'm not even going to be getting to talk about, but he's got some stuff coming up that is I I tried. Just everyone know I tried. I tried my absolute best. I love I love Aiden. He's he's he's incredible. And Tob manages him now. And And that's my best friend. and and he Tav has done a good job of keeping him within reason, but he just I I guess I don't know. I guess some people I see outside of the industry all the time. I mean, you get some of these people that have the just levels of money that doesn't make sense and they'll I've joke that that if someone pays me 100 grand a year, I will save them 10x that as long as they just call me before and I approve or disallow spending. The thing is some of them don't want it, dude. Like I I I remember I I had this guy uh fly us from LA to Miami for F1 and this was several years ago and you know G 650 and you know the whole nine and there's like seven of us on the jet and he's like hey uh he's like you know there there's these three girls in Vegas I want to fly out here. I was like okay like sick what are you going to do? You gonna you know book them tickets on the flight or whatever. He sent a 550 to just grab them. Like they treat Jack's like taxis. And that's and a 550 Vegas to to Miami is 80 grand. Yeah. Something like that maybe. Cuz it's such a it's such a great jet. But like gosh, some of these people don't want your they don't want your advice. And by the way, they'll be mad at you. Like I've gotten had people be like if if you're their guest especially like if I'm in you know if I'm in Saudi or in one of these countries that that their culture is to take care of you like I've had times where I've just been like dude I don't need that. I don't need that. Like I like you don't need to send a a a Maybback to pick me up at the like and I have so many random stories that when you ask me questions I just think of them. Like I remember my ex got um she got like remember when those floods were in Dubai? Yeah. She got diverted to Abu Dhabi. She she was flying through Kazar and Akusui on on Qatar Airways and she got diverted to Abu Dhabi and she was going to have to wait like some like very manageable amount of time to like take like a a hop over from Abu Dhabi to Dubai or whatever or or or from Qatar to Dubai, whatever. She got stuck at one of those airports and they were just like, "We'll pick her up and drive like across an entire country in this like extended Range Rover autobiography." Like they just in certain places it's of the Arab culture is extremely hospitable. It's part of their culture. Like you cannot say no to these people. You can't they won't allow it. I've had them come up to me at restaurants and be like, "You're not eating here tonight. You're eating at my home." And one time I said no and they they'll pull on your beard. It's like a it's like a sign of like we don't accept your answer and like I'll just and like I said like I'll do anything so I'll just go to their house and eat with their family. Like I've I'm I'm a really like adventurous person. Have you ever seen money change people for the worse? It's not often that you're around for moment of inception as well as the timeline it takes to see that type of change occur. Um I don't know dude. I'm around I'm like like truthfully like I'm around great people. Like I really I really cherish I think I think because of how I curate my my circle and how I how I how I think about my network and the people I spend time with. Like I love all the people that I'm around and and I and and so what that means is they're the ones leaving the big tips at the tables. They're the ones like always saying thank you, always saying like, you know, being appreciative of their teams, of the of the ser of the people that we work alongside, like, you know, some of it has been learned and some of it had to be instructed or or, you know, didn't come intuitive to a 18 or 19 or 20-year-old with millions of dollars. But like, I don't know. I I I've been very blessed to not really witness these these nasty people that that you know or or people that are affected by money like that. You know, I I see a lot of giving. I see a lot of Steve will do it. I see a lot of Aiden does Aiden employs probably 40 people. I mean, he his friend every one of his friends is on payroll, you know. I mean, it's it's like I see a lot of I see a lot of good and a lot of people that get a lot that get bad names. I'm curious what separates that from a lot of the people who feel like they're stuck in a victim mindset. That is the separation. It's because they're not doing that, right? Like may maybe at one point they were, but it's it's just it's such a it's just that strategy is just not it's it's just not going to bring you anywhere in life. It's just not I mean do do you guys think that like how would you describe that? You know, like like they get into this like woe of me state of mind and they just kind of live there. Yeah, exactly. like it seems like in your life you've really seen and optimized for opportunity and that you see the positive in just about anything and and the sky is opened up for you in a sense because you're able to see what so many people don't and I I think when you're in that mindset of just like I can't do it everything I do fails but it's not everything I do fails it's like everything around me fails me that's more the victim mindset is like I tried this and then this person cheated me out of this money or like I was just walking and then I tripped and I fell or like I was I was it's a stupid one like I was like I was driving and you know a brick fell out of the car in front of me and smashed my windshield and I I have to put it on credit cuz I don't have the cash. How am I supposed to start my own business when I have this? I'm tripping and falling everywhere I go. Life is life is hard, dude. And I don't I don't even really fault those people because and and I want them to not be like that. And I I certainly had points in my life where I was like that. But I think I think I think there's two things you have to do. I think one is you have to understand and and these are so both of these things are so cliche. You have to understand the how how long this whole thing hopefully if you're blessed and and and and things work out for you in life how long this thing is this life is. I think people really expect stuff to just happen, you know, and they don't and they don't see the failures. I mean, I mean, dude, I spent a really really good chunk of my life just fighting every single day to survive. Like you look at me now and you know and and and if you didn't know my backstory and luckily I've been so vocal about it that like the majority of people do but you don't know my backtory you just see someone who got who it everything kind of happened for you know like it kind of just was in the right place at the right time. I'm sure that's how his life's always been. You know they didn't see the state sponsored detox. They didn't see me paying for bread with a EBT card. They didn't see me trying to find a couch to sleep on. They didn't see me asking someone at the gas station for a dollar so that I can get to the clinic. They didn't see that stuff. You know what I'm saying? And and so when you when you when you are constantly comparing yourself to people that are doing great in that exact moment, you're going to you're going to get into that victim mindset. You're going to think to yourself, well, why? I'm trying my best. Why is it all work? But you you're not seeing their their their zoomed out life. And so I think like one of the most important things is just patience. It's really just patient patience and calculated risk and and knowing that you sometimes just have to zoom out and really just be appreciative of the things that are going right in your life. Cuz cuz if you're breathing watching this episode right now, something's going right for you. I don't care how bad the rest of your life is. Something is going right for you because you're here. You're still here. You're watching this episode. You woke up this morning. you have opportunity to to put one foot in front of the other and to take one step to this room to meet this person to do this thing and then build off of that and build off of that. There's no this isn't a lotto ticket. You know what I'm saying? For me, it was it was Denise and AA. It was Paty and trading penny stocks. It was Craigslist ads to meet Shawn Nelson. It was working for him in a closet at Love Sack. Then it was a desk. Then it was a intro to Logan Paul. Then it was, you know, 80,000 a year with Maverick. Then it was starting a podcast. Then it was my own show. Then it was businesses. It's all stepping stones. It's not, you know, there's no there's no today's this, tomorrow's that. So it's not how it works. That's number one is patience and and zooming out. And number two is I think Gary this is a Gary Vee structure but I've always loved it so much is trying your best to find an intersection of what you love and what you're good at and like really finding a sweet spot there because if you love painting but you are awful at it, you can keep doing it if you want but like just understand and be realistic about the outcome about the potential outcomes. You know what I'm saying? like really dig deep and and think of what you're good at like what are you good at? You you are good at money management and the discussion of money and real estate and you said okay wow there's this intersection between creator and the desire to be educated and made aware of money and also an intrigue and a curiosity about the the the finances of the rich and famous. Wow, look at that beautiful intersection and that wonderful vertical that's been created. Right? So, you saw that. You saw that before anybody else did. You got into it and you became the guy at it. Right? So, it's like it's it's you just got to understand your strengths. And for me, my strengths have always been what they are, which is which is positivity, the ability to talk, the ability to disarm people and make them feel comfortable in conversation, which is extremely important for podcasting and networking. Okay. Hey, I'm It's me. Let crack a smile, laugh, let's let's link. Right. So, I'm curious. You said that Mr. Beast calls you all the time. Not anymore. I think this was back when I was getting more views. Okay. Mr. Beast calls you and you don't answer. You have probably very famous people reaching out to you all the time, calling you and you don't answer. Who is someone that when they call you, you always pick up? My mom. Number one. Number one. My mom, my family, my friends, manager Jeff for sure. Jeff Whitick. People that I know that need me. If you're my friend, you can count on me. That's a family member. You can count on me. I'm I I'm back to Connecticut, which means an LAX to JFK and a two and a half 300 hour two and a half hour $300 Uber ride to Connecticut once every month or two months. I am obsessed with my family. They're the reason I'm still alive. My mother's the reason why I'm still here. Like I'm always answering the phone for my family like number one. Then like yeah, it extends out obviously to to a Logan who you know obviously gave me opportunities that that you know have changed my life and we obviously do a tremendous amount of business together. Um but but certainly Jeff Jeff is like manager Jeff is like kind of my guy here in LA and me and him have have beyond just the business side really had created a friendship together. In terms of your relationship, both business and personal, with Logan, do you ever feel like sometimes you're not able to go and branch off on your own as much? Because a lot of it might be linked to Logan and his brand, his image. There's so much misconception and like misinterpretation of mine and Logan's relationship. It's it's it's it's wild. Like, I can do anything I want. I can do anything. If I wanted to start a podcast tomorrow and call it impulsive impulse and do He would be like, "Great. Anything I'm not doing is simply a result of my own lack of desire to evolve or insecurities or anxieties." He he he has wanted me to succeed in my own lane more than anybody in the world. Like literally 10 loves Tentenburgger. Loves the night shift. Loves all the stuff I do on the side when I commentate for karate combat. When I any of the things that I do, my book, he was the big he bought me a billboard. like he is he is he's always been the biggest promoter of um of me as a brand. Um and so you know I don't I don't think as far as relationships go in in in the space it's like who you know who has a more storied rel I mean dude we've done so much together we've we've we've built entities together and and there's always been so much speculation about how our dynamic is you know on show off show business side and I mean people just never seem to get it right. It's always like, you know, lo like almost like Logan some sort of boss. And certainly there were times when he was um in 2018, 2019, but I mean him and I have been have been, you know, complimentaries to each other for a number of years now. He calls for advice. I call him for advice. We talk through strategies and and guests and conversations and and he's been extremely gracious in terms of like my ownership on the show. Like he didn't I I certainly don't have to have as much as I have or didn't have to. And so he's been a you know he's been a great he's been an incredible partner and and it's just so mis it's it's just crazy how mis how the misconceptions about him as a person and I think over the next couple years a lot of the stories that have wronged them and a lot of the big you know commentaries that have gone on around him around certain topics will be uh rightsized and and reversed and and you know him and I have had to swim through that for a long time and you know it's funny because as as much as I've re reaped the benefits of having him as a friend, I've also had to go through all of the landslides and and pitfalls too. And I've lost brand deals and and had, you know, things pulled because of the relationship as well. But, you know, who do you think are some of the most misunderstood celebrities? Logan and Jake number one. I mean, Logan and Jake number one. I mean, it's it's I think I think they because of their own doing, don't get me wrong. Like obviously the stuff that they did at the beginning of their career, right? And and and like I agree with that, but the the the why they did it, the age involved, the maturity levels and the shifts in who they are as people. People decided we hate these guys. We hate Logan and Jake and we will never unhate them. It does not matter what they do. And there's certainly a massive massive community of people that just simply don't like them. Um, and so I I would say that they they certainly, you know, you know, are probably at the top of that at the top of that bucket. And it it my I've been I've been so blessed, me personally, because I've never really had to deal with a lot of that because I came out and just said, "Hey, like listen, like I used to love crack and you know, I like stars and like you know, like I never said like, "Hey kids, like buy my candy." You know what I'm saying? like watch my content to learn how to do building blocks. Like I'm I was a piece of I try every day to be less of a piece of I was the day before. And that's like, you know, so people don't expect it out. No, I mean I think I think I I I try to speak to a community of people who struggle a community of people who struggle with with with substance and with with mental health problems and relationships and uh and and and need a voice from somebody who want who perseveres and continues to struggle, you know, every every day and and so um it kind of makes your job easy when you put out a book that talks about the stuff that I talked about in the fifth vital. it, you know, it's like, okay, he's he's he we know this guy and who he is. He's not pretending, you know. So, and to round out the finance and like money business conversation, I'm just curious, where is the money coming from on your end? Up until this year, the majority of it has been sponsorships on my YouTube channel. So on the night shift like every week since I mean I'll just throw some stuff out there because this isn't the case anymore because I've been a little bit not as consistent and brand spend is in a kind of a weird place right now to be honest with you. Um, from about 2018 until, call it like last year, right, or into last year, every video that I put out on the night shift generally had like a between like 30 and $70,000 sponsor in it. So, like, yeah. So, so like for a long time and I have had great brand sponsorship connections and it's it's been sponsorships been great. My merch did well when I did it, but I stopped doing that. Uh, ad revenue on YouTube. Uh, Snapchat revenue, which you know about, right? Snapchat revenue. I was one of the first creators in the creator program. Uh, as a Snapstar, when the program first started, it was a dramatic amount of money. Like, I mean, disgusting amounts of money. Like, the amount of money people Oh my god. I mean, it was like it was like pe I mean I was having personally like $40 $50,000 months every month. Like it was it was a lot of money. And I'm talking about not a ton of posts like I would post here and there. Are we talking about the stories? Yeah. Where you click through the last photo or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There are girls I won't name them, but they're like dude like have been having 300 $400,000 months on Snapchat for ages. for and people don't even know about this dude like like and and you know who the big dog is on Snapchat is Austin believe it or not Austin has been like Austin McBroom has been crushing on Snapchat for a long time he I thought David Dori was Dori was but I mean I he's had so I I don't know where he's at now I know he was doing I thought he was doing like a mill month that's what I heard too and I think that's accurate um so Snapchat YouTube revenue across sponsorship and ads um Then Impulsive obviously is a fully separate entity. So any kind of ad revenue we do there, any uh across all of the short channels as well. And then any kind of sponsorship activity that we do on impulsive. And you had a percentage of that. Yeah. And is that a percentage of sponsorships and ad revenue and it's flat across all of those things. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. On on the impulsive side. So I'm just like basically call like a co-owner of the show which which has Logan was very generous. Now, when Jack and I first started the East Coffee Hour, it seemed like we had to figure out everything ourselves. From the best cameras to use, how to edit, how to source sponsorships. Every day had new challenges. That's why if you're starting your own business, you know exactly what I'm talking about and why today's sponsor is so relevant. Shopify. Shopify is basically your all-in-one business partner. They power millions of businesses worldwide, from major brands like Mattel and Gym Shark to entrepreneurs just getting started. Here's a fun fact. 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Uh and and you know, I we LA and California is just in a in a terribly sad state of despair outside of the taxes. Okay? Like for forget cuz cuz one I'll say this right off the bat. If if it was 53% taxes, but I loved where I lived and I loved the state and the and the state of things, you couldn't pay me a percentage back to leave and go somewhere I didn't like. I'm not I will not change my location based on money. I just won't do it. If I was if I was making less or something, maybe. But like I just won't do it. I want to There's nothing more important to your happiness than being happy where you are. And so it like truthfully like if you if you're going to have 10% more money but you're going to be somewhere you don't want to be. It just to me that was just never attractive. It just wasn't to me. And so and so now that gets into a weird place because California is in a bit of a a state of despair. I was introduced to California in 2015. I fell in love with the state. I fell in love with the weather, the hills, how it looks. It's not the California that I fell in love with, but I just I don't know. I just haven't been able to pry myself from from the things that I do like about it and the weather being one of them. You know, there are people here, Tav and Kefa and and who are my best friends. Manager Jeff is still here and you know, his house luckily held up in the Palisades and and and also keep in mind too, one last note on it. There are these there are these perceived exoduses to Vegas to the big one was Miami. Everybody's going to Miami. The whole world's going there. The Neelk boys, Steve will do it. And a bunch of Only Fans girls went to Miami, okay? Like, like, don't overdo it, okay? Like, it's not and and a bunch of Tik Tockers, right? Like I walk down in Bickl and it's like every second is like, dude, like can we do a street interview? The big dogs are still in the the two coastal cities. They just are. A some people move to Texas, but dude, you want to you want to talk about heavy hitters? They're not scared off by the extra 12%. The big big dogs. Like I'm talking like I'm good friends with really good friends with Rich from Fashion Nova. He just dropped $141 million on the one. Like he didn't say like, "Oh, I think like I'll go to He actually, sorry, he did cuz he just bought a $30 million house in Miami as well, but he's at a level where he can he can do that." But he stays here. He can stay anywhere he wants in the world. He can go to Monaco. He can go anywhere he wants to. lives here. Because no matter what you say, if you're playing in that echelon, you you own in Brentwood. You own in Palisades or Malibu because it's, you know, there's people in Miami, don't get me wrong, Tom, we just did a show with Tom Brady. He's got a great house and and you know, there's a number of people who have homes there, but but the the two coastal centers are are still New York and LA. And and so as you continue to spend time with these people and network with these people and work those rooms, you're you know, I go to membership clubs here in New York. I'm at Zero Bond in New York. I go to Living Room here and Bird Streets. And I mean, why do you go to these membership clubs? That's where it's where everybody's kind of hanging out now. We've the the the the nightife has moved towards membership clubs. What is it? What is that? Every city has three or four good membership clubs that you have to pay um a annual dues to and you have to be accepted into the club. And certain ones are harder to get into than others, but basically there's usually a really good restaurant, there's a really good lounge, you could host meetings there, and it's where kind of like the upper echelon of people go. And so like I I can give you every s like this is this is like my world, right? So, I can give you every city. It's um LA has a place called Bird Streets. There's Sanvic Vicente. There's a bunch of like older ones, but right now it's like Bird Streets and a place called Living Room. And Living Room is extremely extremely selective. Like I have to go do interviews to try to have a committee vote me in right now. And that So, Living Room is I don't even know if I'm supposed to talk about this, but I don't care. But maybe it'll I'm sure they're fine with it. But it's like maybe $4,000 for the year, right? Oh, that's not bad. It's not crazy. Then you've got um in Vegas they're opening Zero Bond will be at the win. Uh Zero Bond is a New York based membership club, but there's one opening in Vegas. Oh yeah, you should know about this. I I'll connect you to to the guys there. How much is that? Uh about the same, maybe 3,000 or 3500 that'll be at the win. So members only. So you just go whenever you want or is it scheduled meetings? No, you can go whenever you want. And what is it just like a hangout? It's a hangout. It's a lounge, but like ex like you're you know it's it's Travis Scott is at that table and then the next one over is you know like Michael Rubin House. Yeah. But super elevated. Not not So House cuz it is like So House but it's whereas the pricing is about the same. They're more selective in their se in their process of accepting people. So you can't it's not just cuz you can write that you have to be accepted into the into the place. Got it. Okay. You have to be usually nominated by or referred by two or more guests and then you have to be accepted by the committee at the club most of the time. Makes me want to do it. Vegas the Vegas one is where you want to be for for you. And then in New York you've got you've got uh Zero Bond is a great one in New York, but then Crane Club is a tow establishment. So Crane Club's been crushing it in New York. All of it is built off of a very London feel. And London is a very very membership heavy city. And so if you're not at a membership club in London, you're really not doing the right thing. It's it's not like you're going to like clubs and bars. It's there's Annabelle is probably the most famous membership club in the world. I mean, you're talking about some people dropping a million to $2 million to get into a special section of Annabelle, which has unguarded Picassos on the wall. Like it's the real deal. Um then there's a place called 22 in London. There's a place called Arts Club. And you know they serve some of the best O Toro and some of you know great stakes and it's just good conversation good people protected secure where you know I was at Bird Streets a couple weeks ago and you know Taylor and Travis came in and they're just sitting there and they don't have to worry about who they're next to you know what I'm saying and I mean they should in my c circumstance who's this idiot but like but it's an interesting dynamic and I don't I don't I don't currently belong to any I'm finally making a I will get the zero. How are you then? You can go as guests. You can go with anyone who has a membership. So is that the the shift from night life right now has gone from like clubs and going to like what was the one one oak that used to be like really big here? Yeah, Oak Oak closed and is now Keys. Um there there's certainly so so first and foremost as far as night life is concerned, alcohol is in decline. alcohol is in rapid permanent decline. They're saying um there's just a lot of people out there who just don't want to drink alcohol anymore. It's very, you know, it's it's it's very detrimental to your health, to your decision-m obviously. Um and so some people are going towards psychedelics, some people are just doing drugs. Like there's a lot of stuff going on out there, but alcohol has become it's in decline. And so what you're seeing along with that is you're seeing a lot of very alcohol dependent scenarios also decline. And that means super clubs because there's really no way to to want to spend that much time in a club like a super club without being under the influence. It's just not a So I think you're I think the trend will continue to push towards lounges, places that you can have conversation which is great. Um and and and of course like we live in a world where everybody wants to have uh they want to be in an aspirational scenario. Everybody wants to be at the place that you can't get into. You know what I'm saying? It's just kind of kind of the thing. And right now that's membership clubs. But it is also even behind the the the the rise of Delilah for example. I mean, Delila in Vegas, I believe Delila in Vegas is the number one producing restaurant on the planet, right? I could be wrong. This could be completely off, but and it might not be like I think a lot of places will list Mila in Miami. I mean, we're talking about hundred like hundred million dollar annual establishments at this point. Like, it's insane. And I love Mila in Miami as well. It's a it's a fantastic restaurant, lounge, bar, club, everything. Um, but uh it certainly feels like people are moving away from the from clubs and more towards lounges, speak easys, and places that play music. You would make a fortune if you started your own. I would love to. I I wouldn't I don't I don't think it's outside of my my house. I think it's serve burgers there, dude. That with your network and who you have behind you. Oh my gosh. I mean, it would be crowded day one. I No other influences doing that. It's It's funny you say that cuz we we almost just did one to to to house 1010. They wanted it to be a a combo of like a barn and 1010. We didn't do it simply because it was here. We didn't like the location. Um but but certainly and and also like that's that's like this the the weird situation to be in now is like the access to capital like for creators like at at at this level is just insane. cuz I was excited to come on the show today and it's because like I do see all of the stuff like I see all of the backend that like the world doesn't usually hear about. Um but like there's a lot of these companies right now that have a ton of funding to like buy per perpetual ownership of creators. Like I'm sure you guys have probably either been offered or no. I've been offered but the offers are so low when you look at like the payback period which I understand for a creator it could go to zero overnight. So you have to but what are you talking like 30 15 30 year? Are you talking about the length of the payback period or the length of which they own? No, I'm talking about the length of the payback period. So, it's like it I would be better off just taking my ad revenue for 12 months and like take a buyout off. Yeah. Well, the the whole thing is they do it in the event that you need upfront capital. And the the the the the obstacle they're up against is when they're coming at people that don't have needs for upfront C. The there's only a few people who spend all of their money on their business and and and and like truthfully like even with Jimmy like we'll see where it ends up. You know what I'm saying? Like we'll see. There's always people out there that want to count everybody's billion paper billions. You know what I'm saying? Who knows where it goes? Who really knows what happens? You know what I'm saying? Now for Jimmy, it's going to work. Oh yeah. his little experiment will work. But for other people who are just dumping 100% of their revenue into their projects, like it's dude, it's not always going to work, you know? And so, you know, there's just so much capital out there. Like, that's the one thing that like is the easiest thing to get. Like it's the hard thing to get is operational acuity expertise like like dude the reason why prime is prime is not because they had somebody that was willing to put up $20 million. It's because they got operational greatness in their partner. You know what I'm saying? In Congo like like they they got the best of in the world. They got worldclass operational support manufacturer distribution connections. But it just it all comes down to who you're working with and and like the and like how p how the passion for the project actually works. 1010en burger works because I it is the it's I care about that burger like it's my child. Yeah. It is the best burger. It really is. I am obsessed with it, you know, and Logan is obsessed with Prime. Obsessed with it. He wakes up. It's the only thing he thinks about and talks all day about, you know, so it's it's that's part of It was cute. By the way, I I had um some gardeners who are redoing my front landscape and they had their kid with them and the kid was maybe like 5 years old, 6 years old. And anytime I have someone at the house, I offer them. I say, "Hey, can I get you waters?" And I just happen to do you want waters? I got Prime. And the kid, oh my god, his eyes lit up. And the mom was like, "You have Prime?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I have Prime." And the kid was like a big fan of Prime. Like that was his thing. And I brought out Primes and there was a new flavor that I don't think was in stores yet. And I gave that to him. I've never seen someone so happy. And then I said, "Do you like Fastables?" And he's like, "Mr. Beast?" I'm like, "Yeah, Mr. Beast." And I brought out candy for him. They were so excited. Yeah. Yeah. So excited. It's crazy. I remember, you know, that reminds me during Halloween this year. I have a neighborhood that gets thousands of kids. Like Like we probably bought 4,000 pieces of candy and we ran out with like 2 hours to spare. And I remember I had a bunch of Prime cuz they keep sending it to me as well. Have Keep sending it. Thank you very much. I remember I would randomly pick like one out of every 20 or 25 kids like, "All right, come on. What we're going to do is we're going to play a game. We're going to throw a piece of candy off of the uh the top of the staircase and if you catch it in your basket, I'll give you a special treat." And it was a prime. And when I gave it to the kids, they would freak out. I was like, you know, like it's a drink, which is great, but I don't know what it was, but like I don't know. And then everyone started talking about it. People would like try to sneak back in. Like it's it's it's lightning in a bottle. I mean, truthfully, like what happened with Prime is not to be replicated. It's it's I I how it worked and and and it's it's like it's a combination of things. It's it's it's like I said, it's the marketing acuity, manufacturing capability and distribution connections, uh to to to get to retail to do all that stuff and do it right. It's the marketing, the day-to-day marketing, the short form marketing, the storytelling that Logan and KSI did. But then it's really more than anything else, it's like, have I have I identified a hole in the marketplace that really is has a yearning to be filled? Who knew if that was going to I don't think anyone on that team thought that that product was going to do more than $20 million. Like like m like dude when when when they started talking about billions with an S in sales like it's mindblowing. It is mindblowing to imagine where that product has gone. And it's because all of those three things checked out. There was a there was some sort of desire within the or or or or ability to disrupt that that sports drink or hydration space that they filled. Yeah. But I think but it's such a strong brand that I think especially kids really really really resonate with. Like I remember speaking of Jack's candy, Jimmy sent us uh his candy, but it was wrapped in $100 of cash and he sent it to give it out in Halloween. And so what we did for fun is I took the candy bar out so it's just the cash money to the blackjack tables. Yeah. And I and I tripled up. No. No. So, in the giant thing of candy, we have a wad of hundred uh a wad of $1 bills for $100 and then the candy and we just let the kid pick. The kids never picked the money. They would pick the Mr. Beast bar over the $100. Now, I'm talking like they're four years old, 5 years old, whatever. But there's a few times where the parent was like, "Are you sure you want that?" And like, "Yeah, the candy. Are you sure you They pick the candy over the $100." But then we had some like older trick-or-treaters. They're like, you know, 14, 15. And then we would like hold out the money. They like take the money every single time. Yeah. But but it it upset some kid with a mustache came up and I'm like, "Okay, like what do you But you know what? It upset me how ungrateful they seemed. Like they would just take the money and then reaction." I think they were in shock. Is that like they're like, "There's no way this is real." No, but they would take a look at it, put it in the bag. Thank you. And then it's like that that wasn't just a candy. That's a hundred bucks in cash. No, kids are losing I mean dude look at look they're losing track of like it's like I go online nowadays and uh the the the storylines around how much everybody's making which you see all the time and they're so wrong. I mean they are so wrong it's like DDG posted this like funny screenshot last week that was that's not real. Not even 120th. He doesn't even make like, you know what I'm saying? Like $12 million a month. He's making $144 million a year in ad revenue. And every kid that read that was like, "Oh, wow." Like, "What a That's a good month for him, bro. What What are you talking about?" I I was surprised people believed that. Some pe the m all the young kids, they've lost track of like not lost track, they never learned what money means or how much is realistic or whatever. It's like, you know, like once again, I'm not going to pocketwash DDG. And he makes he makes great money, but he doesn't make $12 million a month. I would I would assume if he has a great month, he might make 400,000$300$400,000 on a great month. Maybe maybe kick, but it's good market. And he's great. I I was just on stream with him last. He's DDG's great and he's a great creator, but but dude, come on. They they they're just too young to understand what those numbers mean and they're too and they're too uh brainwashed by those big deep numbers and contracts that are real. Like when you find out, you know, uh you know, when you find out the size of of a of a Steph Curry contract, you know, now that type of stuff makes sense. You're like, well, wait, dude. like the if he if Steph Curry has a contract for you know $150 million then certainly like you know uh no neon is making a hundred million like they don't understand like the the deviations between the how much people are making I just remember there was a period of time where it was a few months and I saw like so many Twitch streamers had their revenue leaked like 10 times because it's just all uh farming it's farming that's all it is that's all it's just farming Wait, so those weren't accurate? Cuz some of those I saw I think they were very believable. Yeah, I think they were accurate, but like there was there I think it happened like five times in one month with like the same creator is like oops and he's like screen recording something, clicks on like a browser and then it opens up and it shows like 400 grand or whatever like that day. It's like obviously inspect element and they go and they change the number. Well, that's Yeah. And you can you can you can usually see it, but they they don't understand, you know. But but yeah, the product side and the CPG side has gotten crazy and it's like uh you know, it's seeing like what happened with Alani and and and just all of these these uh creator products is just crazy. Were you able to get any percentage ownership of Prime? No, I have a I have a verbal guarantee that I will be made whole. And then and then I was given equity on Lunchley, which is great cuz because Beast is involved. It's it's a great product. But the the prime joke as it is seen now wasn't always I mean it was a sore spot for me for sure. It it kept me up a lot of nights and, you know, it's a it's a heavily protected cap table with with less people on it than you could ever even imagine. And it just didn't work for him. It didn't work out. You know, and and it wasn't even Logan that said no. You know what I'm saying? It just it's it's just an unfortunate situation. And and you know, what do you think being made whole means? I think it means you know you have been a part of the journey and you post it whenever you can and you share it and you connect people and you network it for people and you support it and mo most importantly it's in front of you on every episode of a show that you co-own you know and and is responsible for probably one quarter of the impressions that have driven the brand. Um, you're going to be fired up. No, it's going to uh I I I believe that there will be a retribution there for it. I truly believe that. How do you handle any creative differences like that between you and Logan? Jack and I have a very similar dynamic where we're partners on this. Yeah. Yeah. I would say I'm more of the networker. Like I'm always like hanging out with a who who god knows who and Graham kind of keeps to himself but like does a lot of the operation. How long have you guys been doing this? Six years. Six years. Yeah. Five years. Five years on the podcast, six years working together. Got it. So you So you probably also have gotten to a point where they're a lot farer and fewer between. I would assume those those disagreements. I honestly can't even remember the last time Graeme and I had a like we have some guest disagreements during the only disagreement we have is Jack will suggest to guests that I'm just like h I don't want to talk to this person. I'm willing to have on anyone, you know, and and Graham is a little bit more selective, but it's it's a push and pull and it's it's good that we have that disagreement. For sure. For sure. So So I mean I mean, dude, like Logan and I are coming up on about almost 10 years now of friendship, of business, of creative, of navigating some of the most insane PR and and real life disasters you could ever imagine. I mean, their book, my second book will at some point come out and it's just we've been through so much. It's, you know, globally and and just online. Um, and and a lot of those a lot of that stuff was we we we had some real fights, dude. Like I mean real like fights that would potentially or disagreements that potentially can other relationships like to a point where like dude like we had a really we've had times where we had didn't talk for months you know and and had to like have third parties come back and like reintrod and those they stopped happening probably maybe like four years ago I would say and now we don't disagree. I mean, dude, like it's it's so rare for us to have even a slight moment of like we it's just we just if I start a sentence, he finishes it. If he starts it, I finish it. It's it's we're just so laser in uh tuned in on on the things that we do work together on. So then he's got a a massive share of stuff that I don't even know about, never hear about, but on the stuff that him and I work on together, we are we're locked in. What do you think you or he had to change in order to affect a relationship like that? Hopefully it's interesting for the viewer, but I mean, dude, it's I mean, it's a it's a great question because it's because like dude, like we we I think we both had to, but certainly as an older as a person who's older and a person who has has had a a tremendous lesson on empathy throughout life and and and and how to work with other people. I certainly came into the relationship with Logan with more experience in that space. I I had a little bit of corporate background. I knew how to give, you know, the feedback sandwich of positive, negative, positive. Like, I knew how to do all that stuff. And I was the one that had to go and teach him how to, you know, fire someone who had done something terrible or how to um give feedback to someone that he had a creative disagreement with. So, a lot of it was like learning that I had to instill in him, but that is always difficult when you're trying to instruct someone how to give feedback on something that you're involved in. So, that's when we would break. I mean, I mean, you know, I got him out of with other people a million times. I tell them all the time, I I like to think that I had at least some impact on the smoothing over of the relationship with the UK and the side men because with all of the with all of the furious, you know, and and and just terrible energy between him and KSI that got to a point where it was I mean, we we had security issues. I mean, all the time. I mean, we would have to travel to Manchester with heavy security. they would have security here. Like we were afraid what were they afraid of between that? Like I can't imagine none of the side men like pulling up on Logan probably fans or or or Yeah. Or or or I mean dude we I we had I remember we um when Logan and uh and and and KSI when that all that beef had first started. I mean, we we pulled up to Yamashiro cuz I knew KSI was there and we we just me and him pulled up and and Logan on him and we and they got each other's faces and it was like really like heated moments like like there was a number of times where that almost happened um outside of the boxing ring, right? And um and and so like in that scenario, like they hated each other, but I was always trying to work with, you know, Bazinga and this person and that person to try to keep the relationship alive. And I I'd like to imagine that there was that at least represented some level of uh of of smoothing over in the process to get those two back together. You know, maybe they would deny that, but I don't know. That's where I'm at. So it's so it's like you know it's it's it's it's it's Logan matured a lot and we started I think to see more eye to eye on stuff that we we might not had have in the past and that and that's now we just are on autopilot. I've heard from people that were in the past that one of the most difficult parts of recovering from from or this or that is that when you take it's like one of the most pleasurable visceral experiences that you can have and then after that life that exists you know you don't have that level of stimulation in anything. Is this true or is that like not really something that affects it? certainly is true for an in early recovery. Certainly because the good the good news about it and the good news news about life in general is that the brain has a miraculous ability to regenerate. It it is it's an incredible organ that just that just can truly truly regenerate. Uh and and so in early recovery certainly you are you are numb to everything and there's really nothing that's going to to you know feel the same way that it did. But you will start to find a lot of pleasure in the clarity that you get from being sober and your ability to say and speak into existence and and and do things that you just never would have had and and I mean truly truly sober not on or not on off of everything getting to a point where you're just literally just back in the world because because I had moments where I got down to a few milligrams when I was on a little bit of it's not the same. It's not the same until you get fully clean. But even now, yeah, to an extent, I sometimes do feel that still. I s I do sometimes um feel like whether it's that or any of the other dopamines that I've been to in my life that without without that adrenaline and without that spike of or or or drip of dopamine that I do feel a little bit less enthused about things that other people find massive amounts of enjoyment in. And it's been a and it's been a tough uh path to navigate only because it it pushes me away from some of the simpler pleasures of life which is you know uh which can can can end up being more can create more sadness in the long run. I've had trouble in relationships. I've had trouble in finding joy in things that other people watching a sunset or, you know, any of those more, you know, thoughtful activities could usually invoke in people. Um, just because I've I've I've become so attuned to that adrenaline and to that that, you know, over stimulation, you know, and that's what I'm trying to fix now. And I think I think truthfully like a full dopamine this is like the next layer like forget just the drugs but like real true dopamine detox meaning like hey 20 minutes a day on your phone 10 you're not responding to any of the text messages. You're you're really just really living and you're not you're not you know you're not having the ice cream. You know what I'm saying? Like you're not and you're not for me, you know, I've had my, you know, struggles with on the sex side. Like you're not doing that. You're not going to Vegas and hooking up with the girl at the bottle girl or this or that person or whatever. You're just not because then you start to really reset that receptor and you really start to then potentially get enjoyment from going for a walk with a dog, you know, cuz you can really Yeah. You can burn your burn your glands out, you know? I mean, there's only so much there's only so much dopamine and serotonin your brain can create before you're before you deplete it. What would you say you're to now? Right now. Yeah. And it might not be like a substance. It could be like views. It could be I'm in a good I'm in a pretty good the phone for sure. That that for sure. That is not That might be my only right now. that one and and you know and and and certainly I still I'm still I'm still working through to be completely transparent. I'm still I'm still working on the girl stuff a little bit. I I I certainly just it's it it has always been kind of part of my real world brand, my content brand. I love girls. I don't know how else to say that. And and so I I just had a relationship for a year and a half and I did great and it was wonderful. We just we just had some compatibility issues that you know were not related to that and I so I I have it in me but once you then once I then get returned to the streets as they say you know it's it's it's it's not something that I that I am incredibly always incredibly proud of. So so but the phone is number one. The phone is number one. I mean I I cannot get the thing out of my hand. It's it's and and and for someone who understands and understands coping mechanisms and has learned how to work through things, the idea that some 13-year-old is learning about this and dealing with this is that sucks cuz cuz this isn't like or or something like that. This is every single human with the exception of a few Buddhist monks and some people that maybe can't afford it. I don't know. Like every kid out there is just walking around looking at the phone all day. 12 hours, 13 hours, 16 hours. It's it's it's not we were not manufactured evolve. We did not evolve to this type of activity. When I walk out of here, as you know, and we could I could give you the phone back again, and you could look at the the reup, which will still be going right now. We our brains were not trained to interact in some way with a thousand people a day. Yeah. That's just not It's tough though because for you that's also your livelihood of like that's your network, that's your social media, you got to check your emails, you got to take phone calls. Same thing for me too. It's very difficult to get off of it. But you should. But if as a as a 40-year-old, I wish that I was could could say that I was a little bit more disciplined in not, you know, falling into the doom scroll every once in a while or, you know, like I there's only so much stuff that I still like to talk about because like I've I've tried to like really provide present a better my DMs. I always have funny DMs from girls and it's a funny thing to just look at like you'd never believe someone like funny they're just because of the girls that I've always hung out with and like I not as much anymore but obviously like I had my past with with the adult stars and and all that. It's like girls are very forward so just like what's they'll just send me like like hey I just got to LA can I like give you or like just are these girls that you've ever talked to before? No, no, no, no. They're just like random messages and like so it's it's it's like another thing that we weren't really designed as humans to And what does that make you feel when you see somebody nowadays? Nothing. Like it's it's it's I don't it won't even respond 90% of the time, but it's just like Well, now it's honestly not that like if you get 10 a day, that means No, it's not it's not that many. It's not it's not that many. But it's it's it's it's like I've just always and and that's been that way since I've gotten here just because I'm I'm a fun outgoing person and like like Cindy Looper said, girls just want to have fun. Like they love going out and going to the membership club or having dinner or going traveling or whatever you know we're doing and know more than anything they just want to laugh. Just want to have a good time, make jokes, like whatever. And so it's like for me that's like always something that I've had to like dep prioritize from a time standpoint. And that's why I've just been so like lately just wanting to make the relationship side work because it it allows me to like take the the to to really first of all build something great with someone and achieve a level of happiness and close emotional closeness and like have a friend, you know, at that level that you can be vulnerable with and they're there for you. But it also like allows me to avoid a lot of distraction. Uh but I just it just hasn't worked out for me, you know. Just like for a lot of other people it hasn't, you know. So how are you so smooth with women? What's the secret? I don't take it. I just don't I like I just don't care per se. Like I think I think like truthfully like the more you the more like effort you're really the more you show that you actually like are like affected by any kind of outcome like it it shows so much like if you if like I'm not saying to play games if you're if you're trying to get into a serious relationship. If you're in a relationship mindset, then it makes sense to be upfront and thorough and and and say like, "Hey, listen. I I care about you. Like, why don't we do this?" And then to fully lock in and not try to not look like you care. Like, that's your partner. Be a partner, right? And I just did that for the past two years. Um, wait. So, so you're saying in order to get the initial interest, you have to act kind of like apathetic towards them. Like it's kind, you know, it is what it is. if they do something to try to test you to see if they can get a reaction, you're like, "Ah, you know, it's not a big deal." And is that is that stuff that they do that you have to be not affected by or is it just everything in your life you have to be not affected by? This is like like this I don't I hate talking about this. I'm going to we're going to talk about it, but I hate talking about this because I don't like people ever feeling like I'm I'm like bragging about stuff. It's like a really big insecurity of mine. I know that. No, I I appreciate that. I just it's a huge insecurity of mine and like I I like it's one of the reasons why I wear rubber band and I don't you know what I'm saying? Like I don't wear a watch and I don't I just But you you have evidence. I mean we have here that you you dated the the most googled woman on the internet, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you you have evidence of being decent with with this. Sure. And and Yeah, definitely. And among you know many other great women for sure. But but yeah, for sure. But but so basically what I say is this. there there's just so many like push and pull mechanisms as it pertains to those like initial meetings with women and and and and the early phases and like for me it's it's like with with girls that I talk to like I always have like a absolute perfect level like right where oil meets water like a perfect level of mix between compliment and playful banter. And that means like I'm I'm generally like talking a little bit of like messing around but in a way that's making them laugh like and making them feel comfortable to do the same back to me. Like if you watch any of my content with either of my last exes like we're usually poking fun at each other in a fun way. So I'm doing that early on. like I'm picking out like little funny things and that you got to be careful with this, you know, it's never it's it's you got to be, you know, like anyways, you but you're not you're really not trying to appear in the beginning like you don't care. you just really need to kind of not care in the beginning like like you know you it's it's a lot of these guys get into a lot of trouble because they they're they're too quick to text back because they they just get really excited. And there's nothing there's nothing wrong with it. You shouldn't feel bad about the fact that you feel strongly and you like someone and and and you know you want to talk to them. That's great. But but there's just a lot to be said about how a girl reacts to your non-reaction and to your non, you know, over desire to like over overstimulate the conversation. It's it's it's it's a it's a massive massive thing in terms of making a girl feel like maybe potentially they're not your only option. Maybe potentially like maybe maybe they they should be interesting and interested in potentially texting you and and and asking what you're doing that day. You know what I'm saying? And and and a lot of of course comes down to what your value is. Like what are you bringing to the table, right? And and and and for a lot of people, all you need is is that ability to to make them feel comfortable and and laugh. I mean, dude, you you'll you'll see a a ton of, you know, people that you wouldn't expect dating way out of their league because they're they just they just know how to make a girl have fun, you know, and and there's a million ways to skin it, dude. There's other guys that are really dude, like the other one that's like a known person here is Banks is, you know, kind of in a similar boat and he he's a bit different than me. He's like a big like cuz I study all the g these different people. He's more of So wait, so you're saying this is something that you like practice and work on it? It becomes a practice. It's not kind of natural. No, it is. It is. But it's it's you certainly just it's just like anything else in life. You just certainly become better and better and better and better at it. you know, as you as you you know, as the the the rel the relationships and as the girls you're going after or trying to talk to go from all the way up now to most googled on the internet, now all of a sudden you're a conversation with Emrada is like everyday conversation. You know what I'm saying? because you're just like, "Okay, like this is a, you know, another Googled girl from the I've done this type of I know it sounds crazy, but but like Banks, for example, is like he's just a big he turns into he's like the sweetheart, full-on sweetheart." So, he's like, you know, meets a girl, he's already got FL he'll like go grab flowers from the attendant and like he's just really like he's super complimentary like re I'm the opposite. I'm like I'm a little talker and I want to like banter. Yeah. And and so that it's there's a million different styles if that's what Listen, don't do any of this. By the way, like my my my real advice is like go find a good girl that doesn't need to be, you know, charmed or or or or like gameplayed with and settle down with her and do and if that's what you want and go do that. like this is not this is what I was I'm trying to avoid is just like the idea that that that is an outcome that you even want in life necessarily. I think I think guys want to experience it but it's another thing that you can certainly get to. It's another thing that I I I've you know, it's like when you have I I say this I wrote this in my second book that I you know I haven't published obviously or or had anybody read anything of but I said uh men grow up with this desire to every girl in the world and for a very very select group of people they uh they are dealt the curse of actually having the ability to do because it's uh it's you know like it it it it devalues and and and and devolves such a beautiful thing which is a relationship between a man and a woman into something that becomes g almost gified and and you know um it it seems very attractive from the outside but I can assure you it's an empty it's a very empty um thing if you're doing it for that reason. If you're if you're doing it to try to find a a a a partner, then then certainly, but hopefully you don't need to play games to do that. How much on average do you spend on a first date? Probably like 7 or 800 bucks. Oh, wow. I got a hotel yesterday so that she could change before. No, and we didn't stay at it. I I'll if I'm if Yeah, but we just she we went there after. So, she couldn't change in the restroom. It I don't know why I did that. I did it because I wanted to just have a home base and I it it's Malibu's far. It's just so It's pretty insane. I'm not gonna lie to you. I just I I if I do dates, I rarely do dates. Most of the time it's like, "Yo, come meet me at Barney's or or or what? This Aiza trip that we're going on, there's like 10 girls coming on it and probably like there's probably been like a collective like 150,000 spent on just that group. What's what's the most you've ever spent on a first date? Thousands. I mean I mean f first dates have sometimes been have been like meet me at at you know the the meet me at van eyes jet to Vegas three nights at you know encors tower suites you know dinner at Delilah night out she maybe because it's not a date for me it's like because that's not how I don't work like that. I I I'm crazy. I'm actually like actually like not even showing you guys, but like I'm actually like I will talk to a girl online or whatever or meet a girl for 5 minutes in passing at Awan or something and be like, "Yo, like do you want to go to Vegas?" Like it it is a first date and like I don't know if I'm going to like them or not. And by the way, I might not like them. And what do you do? I might get halfway into the cuz I always will be cool with them. It doesn't matter. Send them away or No. No. No. Never. Never. No. What if you find a different girl that you do like? Happened. It's happened. And what happened? Suddenly happened. Maybe the girl that I brought to Vegas has her own hotel room and I don't know. Like it's it's 100% happened. It actually happens a lot where the girl that you thought you were going to be interested in has a friend and it that always that happens. Have you ever been on a first date and the girl just like orders the nicest bottle of wine and you're like, "Well, hold on a second." Not really. It's no because I don't I could spot that before I get to the table. What are the red flags? How they act in conversation, how they because you like how they talk, the things they talk about, the subject of the conversation, how they talk about their friends, how they talk about other people, what they do for work. Like, dude, if you just got off, if you just miraculously came back from Dubai and I don't know why you were there and you didn't and you posted a new Hermes bag, I'm probably not going to go to dinner with you. You know what I'm saying? I'm probably not going to be like, "Hey, let's go. Let's go." Cuz you got to understand once again, I'm not these aren't dates. I'm like I'm almost like I am I don't have any kind of intent. Like I don't really if things progress and something happens and there's this or that. And that is why when I say trying is the worst part because they know that they know I'm just trying to curate a good time for myself, my friends and them or even just myself and them. Like last night like I didn't say hey like you know it was really nice meeting you and like um I just was thinking like maybe if you're not busy like I was just like yo like what she this girl came here for 3 days. She's from Miami. I was like do have you been to No Malibu like do you want to go there? We went there like it was cool. She left this morning on a flight back to Miami. You know what I'm saying? Like they're not like dates. They're just like they're just having a great time. Yeah. They're just having a great time connecting. Join the network. Maybe I'm going to go to to Bangladesh in 6 months and want to bring a few people to come hang out and they're all they all have say to their friends like I love Mike. He's so much fun. He's like super just chill about everything and he just, you know, like and so for me it's just always like it's never like it doesn't feel like a date, dude. Just feels like I'm with one of the homies. You know what I'm saying? and just happens to be a hot girl, you know? So, it's like different. I don't I don't even know how to explain it to people that live lives that make sense. You know what I'm saying? And like mine doesn't and it never has and might never will. What's the biggest waste of money you've ever spent? Girls. No, I don't know. Um, cars. Cars for sure. Cars are the worst. What What Okay, so how did you What was the biggest waste of money that you spent money on on a car? They're just they just dep they're just and I don't I don't I mean that car that the RSQ8 I'll be upfront I paid I bought it brand new 2025 2024 2025 whatever it was it wasund 185,000 and then the the the buildout for it was another 80 one of a kind. No, not only that but like that car weighs 6,500 lb. Appreciate it. Okay. So like, so like everything I do is like slightly in the vein of like being a cheapo. It doesn't even matter. Like when it's an expensive car, like you ain't going to see me in a McLaren cuz it doesn't hit the curb. Do you ever get self-conscious or like insecure when you're dating that girl that every other guy wants to get with? For for whatever reason, I never do. I I It's It's the It's the weirdest thing, dude. I don't know. That's one thing I don't know how to explain. And it goes back to the same rationale I guess I give for for people early on in the relationship which is like in their mind they're just like dude if if if like if I do something stupid or like make a mistake of some sort he's just going to like as much as he loves me like it he I I've always had like that type of policy like if you you know if you do something up like I'm just going to like see you know what I'm saying like I'm not doing anything I've never cheated in my life. You they every girl I've dated for the past like 10 years has my passcode. So So I think it's I think it's reciprocal, right? It's like it's like they I I I operate under a oath of of of of trust and of respect, right? And so like so like I'll give you that leash and I've never I've never been bitten on the hand by it. I mean even even with Lana who like obviously there was so much like wild conjecture on like how that relationship would work and obviously she was retired but like dude she was I never had she would she would get messages from DMs from every football player last most googled person on the internet girl every football player every rapper every athlete every business person you could ever imagine and as soon as the message she would come in she would be like what are we responding what are we responding what's our response like like I I like do you want me to respond to this? Do you not want do you want you know what I'm saying? And then why would she respond to any of them? Well, like or no, we but simply No, no, no, not even. It's simply the fact that she would just show me and be like like listen just so you know this is coming in like sometimes I would know the person and be like, "Dude, like what are you doing, dude? Like this is, you know, I'm dating this girl, right?" Like, but there's no one that came through where you're like, "Oh, like no. Ne never. Just because I don't know why I don't know what Let's say like Drake. I mean, maybe he was one of the people. You know what I'm saying? No, but certainly, okay, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. If I'm early stage, like if I'm just talking to a girl that I intend on dating and and Drake, there's like a select group of people that certainly I would be like, "Ah, dude, 100%." But I think But what would you even entertain? What do you mean? Like if Drake DM'd like, "Hey, what's up?" Like, well, well, here's the thing. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. There's this like there's this like social media thing where like like uh every as they say like for Drake specifically like every girl's in a relationship that that can't get DM'd and touched by a guy unless until Drake comes but truthfully dude I'm telling you and I I swear to you and I truly believe this. It's just it's just not the case. Not every guy is a cheater in Not every guy in the world is a cheater and not every girl in the world is is going to to to leave you for a super celebrity. They're just not they're I'm telling you it's just not the case. There's a be the the ones that the ones that are to me that are at risk are girls that have never been around it. So, like if you're if you're a if you live in Memphis and you know your girlfriend doesn't even have Instagram and Drake somehow finds a way to see her and she's just so But dude, a lot of these girls like have even if they haven't hooked up with a lot of the guys, they've seen just how gross and and and and and demoral like the this entire space is and they're off it now. They don't want it. They don't want to be a part of it anymore. They like you tell them that there's a a Drake party in the hills. They're not going to that party specifically because of that. Anyways, like I said, this stuff's like it's fun to talk about, but it's just so it's just not it's it's like dude, the amount of like moral guilt and like the moral dilemma and like even for me, like I'm a Christian, so like the religious dilemma for me has been more pain than it's been good just because it's just I don't know. It's it's it's it's just hard, dude. It's hard to it's hard to have that to have that type of scenario where where you know and it's not and and one last thing on it. The one last funny thing on it is it's not all money either. That's that is that's the that's like the biggest misconception is that like is that like you're at risk from somebody who has more money than you. It's just not the dude. Like I know a ton of really really wealthy people that 1,000% wished that they had the game to be able to do it and cannot do it. They cannot do it. Does not matter. Doesn't matter how much is in their bank account. Doesn't matter if they fly girls out. It does not matter because it's it's it's a comfort thing. It's a humor thing. It's a aura thing to use a word for Gen Z that is just to to an extent it's just not teachable. It's not viable. It's not. So, if someone does want to get better with women, how do they do that? Because if you just said it's not teachable, you can't buy it. Go into the resistance. Again, go into the waters. Get out there, talk to girls at the bar, talk to girls at the grocery store, you know, like if you have to manipulate a joke and and and really like practice it, then go for that. But I mean, dude, like so like when you if you're if you're if you're wanting to become some sort I'm not once again like promoting it, but if you're wanting to become some sort of like Kasanova, like like high level at it, it's it's it's so much deeper than that. It's like really being able to think on your feet, understand their, you know, by minute desires like when you've been at a restaurant too long, it's time to move locations. Like it, you know, like I was on a date last night. You know, we the the the the I have funny stories. Oh my god. The the the the manager, the GM at Nou Malibu got swapped out. That was my guy. He I he I could sit on the rail at being on the rail at Nou Malibu is that is where you want to do your date. What is the rail? It means you're on the water. You're literally sitting table rail waves crashing on the suns setting beach at No Malibu. So you you I had my GM there and I would I would text him be like day of and No Malibu in itself is a tough res but that's even a sit inside. Then there's tier 2 which is outside then there's tier three which is like close. Then there's the rail, right? And the rails usually you know it's like there's Tiestto and there's this person. So, I get there last night and I had to do it through the GM in Newport and he had to set me up and I and I go inside and they said, "Come, oh, Mike, welcome." You know, like here's your table. And it's like tier two. And so I'm like, "Okay." So now I'm now I'm like I still I'm still fine. Like there's no issue. We're still here. But like I like to I like to show up as much as possible. So you know it's we order some edamame, she gets a drink, whatever. And then I say I got to go to the bathroom. I'm not going to the bathroom. I'm going to the the hostess stand. GM, hey, listen, man. Like, I was close with Troy. Like, I know we don't know each other on that level yet, but like this is the first date. 5 minutes later, waitress comes and say, "Hey, um, we're just going to move your stuff." Like, you guys can get up and go to the table on the rail. We're just going to move your stuff over for you. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it gets to a point where you're doing micro calculations that involve other people on data TV. So, like it, you know, like if this if this girl is impressed by that, then is that a good or a bad thing? If she's impressed, I don't know. It depends on what you're after. I just got out of a relationship. I I don't know what the hell I'm doing at this point. I'm just I'm just, you know, like I I wasn't even aiming to have anything happen like necessarily. Like, I just was I like going out and having company and and eating good food and but I like to do everything by utilizing the relationships that I have the best I can and showing up in the best way I can. And so that's advice certainly to people who are trying to talk to like do do the best you can to set up for success. Truth truthfully like people think chivalry I didn't I I made the mistake I was paying the valet guy forgot to go around and open the door for her you know and and and you know people like people go oh you're s for doing that or whatever dude wake up go around the car and open the door for the girl. You know what I'm saying? If if that's all you got, if all you got is that move for the night because you don't have the rail connection or you know what I'm saying? Or whatever it is, like go bring bring the chivalry back. You know what I'm saying? Whatever you can do, show up in the best possible way that you can. You know what I'm saying? That's that's I mean that's a piece of advice. But but certainly like keep it light. Don't overdo it. Don't and don't go to the other side of the spectrum either. Do I can't even tell you how many guys mess things up by renting the Lambo or or Dude, like it's it's so I'm telling you man, like if you can just learn a little bit about humor and a little bit about conversation, pick a topic that you think is fun that she's going to be interested in. If you think there's a hot show that girls are watching and you want to talk about um uh you know, 90day Fiance, Love on the Spectrum, bro, go watch a season of that. And I guarantee you that you bring that up at at at you know Tokamadera or something or wherever you guys went and you say like hey I'm watching this show on Netflix. I'm sure you've never heard of it before. It's called Night Day Fiance. Like if that's the game you got to play then do that. You know what I'm saying? But I mean for me it's it's been it's been like how can I turn this off? Like that's been my desire for the past five years is like I want to I I've been much more focused on trying to on trying to settle down and and remove that that aspect from my life, you know. When's the last time you got rejected? It's hard to say because I can't remember the last time that I was interested in someone. I cannot remember, dude. It It's Bro, it's been I'll tell you this. Okay, I'll tell you this. I've had DMs go unanswered. I'm not a huge DMER. I'm just not I I I do respond to DMs, but I'm just not a huge like proactive DMER. I used to be more there's been a couple girls uh you know that that didn't respond to my DM. And I consider that a rejection to extent even though they've probably got a million and maybe might not even seen it. And sometimes they'll respond a year later. You know, I've had that happen too where they'll be like, "Oh, I saw you DM'd me. I just came across your profile or whatever." But rejected. I don't freaking remember, dude. When's LA? So it when you get rejected or when you've got rejected and they they don't respond, do you feel anything or do you just It's just like whatever. No, nothing. The only thing that makes me feel anything is when I get to a point in a relationship where I have feelings. And that for me is much later than the average person. I only date. girls date, like truly date girls that I really really like love. Other than that, there's no in between. There's no in between. There's there's that and there's that's like the homie. You know what I'm saying? like we we you know maybe we mess around. We had like but like I'll know within a a very like with my last girlfriend like I knew pretty quickly like that I was going to that I was going to date her and then everything else shuts down, you know? So it's it's um I don't know. And then and then the rest of the time it's like it's like yeah certainly it's like I just go out and have a good time and and you know try to show them a good time and like a lot of them are also creators and so like they have questions they want to know they they want to pick my brain the same way you do on on on any given topic. You know the the girls I was with last night as a creator we sat we had dinner you know we we we hung out and and you know now she knows she can hit me up if she wants to hike or she wants to you know what I'm saying? A lot of them end up becoming friends. I end up being people that I'm friends with, you know. So, um, but I but I'll know within, you know, the first little while if it's going to be somebody that I'm serious about and uh and then I'll probably usually take about a good year to get out of the relationship too and I'll be pretty sad for a while just like anybody else, you know. So, this this this last one was was rough. And uh even though truthfully, it was it was my doing. Um I just I just think as you as you when you build those relationships, you kind of no matter whose fault it is, it's it's painful, you know, and just it just wasn't working out and lack the compatibility that we needed. Um but it will work out at some point. It will. All right. Well, we want to be respectful of your time and we really appreciate with you guys forever. This is Dude, this is fun. Is there anything Is there anything you wanted to talk about that we didn't ask? Just 10 time I mean 10en time burger for sure, but I mean just just briefly I mean we're it it's it's been so conceptual and it's taken so freaking long to get to a point of uh of of of actual brick and mortar locations and like it's like it's like with CPG like you can you can create X dollars worth of product and you can get the distribution. signing leases for actual bricks is a major and and and and and I think I don't know if you said this or not, but you definitely know it. The the the the the service and food space is terrible. I mean, it's so hard. It's like the hardest space to to to make money in and to do, right? But finally, we've got some good partners. We'll open probably LA, Miami, Vegas. Vegas for sure. A great one on the street. Yep. 100%. And if we can find the right location in the near term, uh Nashville, Cleveland, Austin, I think are our target sites to start. Um and hopefully soon enough we'll have, you know, you'll be able to finally have 1010 burger. Right now it's just the festivals, events, food weeks, that type of thing. I really really want to try 1010 burger. Grim knows and all my close friends know. Burgers are like the food that when I was a kid, I mean, even now, if I go to a steakhouse, if I go to any restaurant and they have a burger, I I don't even get the menu. I get the burger everywhere. Anywhere I go, if they don't have a burger, I'm cooked. Like, I don't I don't know what I'm going to order. So, where do you live now? I live in Vegas now. I grew up in SoCal. Okay. So, you know, I'm like credibly able to talk about burgers everywhere. Like, I know the inventory of every city, like even on the NorCal side. But for Vegas, you guys finally got some representation there. So So what what do where are you going right now? Dude, I don't In and Out and Out just because it's easy. It's I'm going to bless you right now. There's a burger in Vegas called Stay Tuned Burger. I haven't had it. It's in a bar off the strip. It is phenomenal. It is phen it is such a great burger, dude. think I gave it like a 94 or 93, which for me that's like that's unheard of levels. Like my highest is like a 96 in uh San Antonio. Uh there's one in Santa Barbara that's a 95 as well. Third window brewery. Obviously LA's got a number of like 93s, 94s, but I'm telling you, Stay Tune Burger is very good. It's in a bar. You have to go in. It's really strange setup and I there's you know, it's in like a bar and there's just a window and it's like almost like the bar is not called Stay tuned. It's It's a different name and you go and you get the burger from there. I'm gonna get that burger and I'll let you know how it is. I I already know how you're gonna enjoy it. Like I'm my rating system is like tried and true. So and and Smashburgers are your top two. Yeah, but I can but I have every burger. I've had every restaurant. Luggers and and for Charles and everything. What do you think of the Habit? Habit is amazing. I think as far as chain is concerned, it's a good burger and I mean it was one of the first burgers I ever rated because Nadot was a fan and so we did a we did a rating of it uh at at at the 100 Thieves headquarters like seven years ago or something like that. Habit's a good burger for me. I always based a lot of my stuff on as far as chains is concerned on Shake Shack and obviously as Smash really came up. Um but but you know listen like right now as far as I know we're oversaturated on Smashburgers. Everyone's tired of hearing about them, but truthfully, in a lot of the secondaries, they don't exist. You can't get one. It's Philly. You could get It's not good. You maybe can't even get one. Nashville's got a a a place um uh I forgot the name of it now. Um but but some of these cities have no smashers. None. Let alone the quality of the first time you ever tried a SoCal smashburger of of like For the Win or or or or um or Burger She Wrote or heavy-handed quality where you're just like my life just changed because of how the crispiness of the edges of this burger melted with the American cheese, the potato bun, this sauce. I I don't want any other type of burger. People in Detroit haven't had that. So, there's a hole in the market and and I intend to to to fill it. Have you had Dang Burger in Santa Barbara? No, but I feel like someone told me. I'm telling you, if you ever get a chance to go to Third Window Brewery in Santa Barbara once, I think it's only I don't know if it's every day. They have an American Wagu smash burger there, that's that's absolutely insane. But no, my number one still remains as last place in San Antonio. Mark at last place Burger. Well, I'm excited when you open it up in Vegas. I'll I'll try it. It would be common for sure. They look good. They look like they look delicious. I was secretly hoping you would come with like three burgers. And you would think to a business podcast, but I I mean, you know, I came without burgers and not thinking we'd be talking about how to pick up chicks. I also actually think that Smashburgers are not as saturated as you think. Like I think the Pub Burger is way too oversaturated. It's just not a great burger. It's a good one, but I think that it's overdone and they all taste kind of the same. There's definitely so much more room in the market and like you've you've even you've just got other stuff going on like Philip and NADC in Austin just opened in New York as well and that's not even a smash. There's people doing nons in my eyes there's probably always room for more burger places. I had the same experience in life as you did as a kid. I grew up and it was the only thing I wanted and it's still pretty much I just can't all the time now just because from a weight standpoint. So, we're gonna Yeah, I'm worried that that that my time's going to come where I can't get a burger. Probably you got a lot of metabolism left in that body. Thanks for We're going to do rapid fire questions just to round this out. Okay. What is your biggest insecurity? Probably my inability to to to to this is such a meta answer. Like find that emotional closeness that I that I want. I know that's cra I know that's crazy. I just I don't know. Or also, I don't know, maybe my knees. Your knees? You got like weird kneecaps or something? No, I just I just have battered my body so badly that like my body's falling apart. Like my my like true athleticism maybe. I don't know. I don't I've gotten to a point I think as you get older you just really shed a lot of insec like they still exist, don't get me wrong. Yeah. Or like you kind of rightize them with other things. I don't know. But there's I'm there's nothing that I tremendously like dislike about myself, right? Like I I don't know. I I I I'm actually a pretty big big fan of who I've become. What is an invalid criticism you get all the time? Probably that I I think that people think that I like certain people will think that I think like extremely like highly of myself to a point that if you ever met me out in person that like I wouldn't be your best friend. You know what I'm saying? And like I really do like and and I hope that someone that watches this show has met me in person before and has had a 20-minute conversation where they cried on my shoulder about their family or something like that because I've had so many amazing interactions. Um that like I I feel like sometimes my delivery uh is a little bit a skew from who I actually am as a person, which is like someone that like really does deeply care about other people. Um, and and and I'm I'm definitely imperfect and definitely like misunderstood because of the space that I'm in. But I I think like that would be the thing. Like if anybody ever thought that like I just wasn't like a kind person cuz like I I truthfully like believe that that's like my biggest quality is like my ability to care for other people. What's a valid criticism your mom would give you? Oh my god. Um, she definitely like doesn't like me like think like like she definitely thinks I spend too much time with girls and just like wasting time on like that's like not super and and ironically she might say that like she might say that and and this could potentially even be true like she might say that I don't I that I even she might say that I care too much about myself Maybe I don't know. Maybe she would say that. I don't know. I called her today and I literally only asked about her the whole time specifically because one thing my biggest strength dude truthfully is my awareness. Like I I'm super aware of like places where I'm starting to like mess up and like and need to do better in. And that I think is like the great that I think is like the greatest skill you can ever have in life is like being aware of like your shortcomings. You know what I'm saying? And and being able to rightsize them. But she would just say, "Dude, you're you are spending too much money. She's not the right girl for you, and you know, you shouldn't you you need to get more sleep and to eat better or like something like that." Moms just stay moms forever. They never stop moming. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't matter what level of success you have in any department. They're going to Moms are going to mom, you know? Does frugality ever bother your wealthy friends? No. No. No. It's their favorite joke. It's an object. Okay. So, what is something that you do that's cheap? Like, what are the main things that you cheap out on? I really don't anymore. I think it became a joke, but like dude, like I'll certainly like I'm definitely going to be the guy like that if we all get lunch together, I'm probably going to be like, "All right, where are your cards at?" You know what I'm saying? Like, and I mean like some of these lunches are expensive, dude. Like, if I'm What do you mean, where are your cards at? Like, dude, like the bill comes the bill comes like I'm generally not like, "Okay, like I got this." That's reasonable. That's what I said. That's what I said. And these people have money too. So, like the fact that they're they think that I should just like pay for or like I don't know. Like I guess I'm just like I always feel like there should be a fair distribution if that makes sense. We're getting better at that too. Like sometimes like one person will order a soda and I'm like well they pay a few dollars extra cuz they got the soda for sure. You know, it makes sense to me. That just I I'm actually I'm a fan of that. I think a fair distribution is really important so because you're you're aiming towards an equitable kind of like arrangement and if you're not then what are you doing? Well well also like it should be it's sometimes it has to be proportionate like like like with Rich from Fashion Nova for example like he wants to do stuff that like I can't do. So, like if you if he really wants me to come along, like unfortunately, dude, you have to have a disproportionate like like dude, like there's no world where that yacht that you're talking about in South of France is on my is in my budget. It's just not, dude. So, like I can give you 10,000 bucks maybe, but like you have to cover the other $800,000. Like, I can't do it. There's nothing. Is there a ratio though where then it just seems like petty? Like if he's like, "All right, give me the 10 grand." No, I told him to do it. I told him recently to do it because he has friends that think that way and they're like, "Oh, he should he's got billions. He's worth he's a decad billionaire." Yeah. Like he should just pay for every No, I don't think that's fair either. If he's he it should be proportionate at least, right? So if he's paying if if he's paying X% of his money, which like it doesn't matter what he does, like you should probably at least if that's only $12 for you, give me 12 bucks. You know what I'm saying? Like that's how I feel. I told him that the other night at his house. I said, It's reasonable. I understand that. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's a weird It just becomes a point where it's like to give him $10 is not even worth his time. No, he'd rather just not even touch the bill. Exactly. Get sick. All right, Mike. Thank you so much for coming on. Let's do this again. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed it watching it from from Graham Staff and Land and and and and Ice Coffee Land. And uh thank you. 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