I Did Not Realize I Was This Bad at Spanish...

What's up, grinders? Welcome back to the channel. So, today I'm finally going to be doing a react to the second portion of this video, diagnosing evil deer, the mother tongue trap in Dreaming Spanish. Now, why didn't I react to the second part of this video? Well, at the time when Stuart dropped this video, he was analyzing my different languages and he analyzed Spanish and I was doing ALG, automatic language growth, via Dreaming Spanish, uh the the website and service. And part of their methodology is that you're not meant to do type any type of analyzing of your own language abilities or anything like that. But I am no longer doing ALG. So I am curious to see what he has to say after all this time. Let's go. And also to give you guys a little bit of background what he's going to be reacting to is the first time ever I attempted to speak Spanish. Okay. Now, my Spanish has improved since this time somewhat. How much? I don't know. Okay. But this is the very very first time ever. Let's just keep that in mind. >> Is interesting and maybe is a good case for ALG. Okay, so now we're going to start with some Spanish. Now, I apologize there. My video processor is tanking. So, sometimes the video isn't catching up because in Audition and then my recording and everything, crazy stuff is happening. But just listen, listen. This is the native, I think, Argentinian Spanish speaker. >> Perfecto. >> Perfecto. Now, I can hear straight away when he's speaking Spanish. He's overunciating and I think that's because he's asked, Eve is asked to start very easy. So, let's listen to how he speaks. >> Okay. >> Actually, now let me zoom in here. I better explain this. By the way, this is what we call a spectrogram. So, this is uh Adobe Audition. Here's the normal waveforms you'd be used to, but this is almost it's a voice print. So, where you see the more yellow it is, that's the the vocal tracks vibrating. That's down really low. And you can even see the notes here. There's a I can click over so you can see notes. But basically, this is the lowest part of your voice. And this is the highest part of your voice. So, where it's really yellow, it means the voice is engaged, activated, and the lower it is, the lower your voice. The higher it is, the higher your voice. So you can actually see here really well when the voice is activated, deactivated, when it tapers off, all of these things. And you might think that this is crazy going into this level of detail. But honestly, once you do that, you can actually start to selforrect. You pull up a native speaker, you pull up your own voice print, and you think, "Oh," and you know exactly where to pinpoint things to get your muscles moving or turning off or glottle stops and all of that. You can just see it clear as day here. So let's have a listen. Okay. >> See, I was always curious about that with Spanish. Like an R be before an F, an R before a B. Is does this R auto automatically become rolled? Because when he repeated after the Argentinian speaker, he actually rolled it. He went perfecto, perfecto. But I didn't actually hear that from the Argentine speaker. But maybe that's just the speed. Or maybe I didn't. I just didn't remember. But like it is like I'm guessing there is a rule that governs this. I haven't looked into it yet. >> Okay. I didn't even get a second in. Did you hear that? So what happens in Spanish the S will you get this breathing cuz a sibilent sibilent are these sie sounds. They have this puff of air. If you have your throat closed, you can't pronounce an S. It you can't breathe. So, by nature, S's have this breath, this aspiration. >> Okay? >> And what's happened is this aspiration in Spanish and it happened in Chinese too. This is actually where the chunk came from. So, the um originally Chinese didn't have tones. um they had these endings and this s became like an h first and that's what became the chong in Chinese. So estoy becomes so sometimes you'll hear bits of this sometimes you'll just hear the s totally dropped out and just like this sound. So it was like >> have a listen he so he says >> see it's almost like a lisp I wonder if evil deer will pick that up will will have picked it up in all of his listening and whether it will be replicated or >> like I can hear him doing the sensor >> or will his English or espiranto s survive to live another in >> I'm guessing that there's a clear difference in the s's then I still haven't picked it up >> in Spanish. >> So in listen to the ga it's very >> it sounded like then he was pronouncing it with the um Spain Spanish cuz there was like a th sound in there but obviously the Argentinian Spanish doesn't have that. It just becomes an s. >> Very soft. interantes. Now, you can tell here he's being very, very careful to annunciate everything. It sounds It's a native accent, but it's overunciated. It is as if I'm speaking like this in English. That's a native Australian accent, but we don't really speak like that. The responder. >> Okay, this is fascinating. Have a look at this. Look at where he pronounced his D from the. >> Now that could happen, but in Spanish your D is more like this. The th in the word the in English. So the there. And you will see it the tongue coming up to the teeth there. But what he's doing there and maybe he's overcompensating because evil deer he knows he's a native English speaker and he's trying to pronounce it as a as a very clear D still still Spanish but in normal speech that would be the respond and sometimes the S will turn into an H. Have a listen. It's very very overp pronounced. >> I wonder if that's actually an issue because obviously everyone I've listened to for over a thousand hours is really over pronounced both on the Dreaming Spanish and then obviously the gaming content I was watching and stuff. I wonder if constantly listening to all that over, you know, overannunciated language might actually have had a a bad impact on me. Now you can see the S is getting lighter. >> Now this is one thing I would notice. Have a listen to this. >> If you're a native English speaker, an evil deer, uh, you can do it. Say the word pill lip. >> Pill lip. Pill lip. Okay. >> Pill lip. If you're a native English speaker, you'll notice that the L in pill, pill, your hung comes behind the teeth >> and it kind of rolls up lip that if it's an initial L, your tongue is poking out of your teeth. Wait, let me try that. Okay, so we got pill. So my tongue is topping my tongue is touching the top of the back of the teeth. Pill lip lip. Pill lip. Pill lip. I'm not I'm not feeling anything different. Pill lip. Pill lip. Maybe I've just like suddenly tricked myself, but I'm not feeling any difference. >> Pill lip. Evil. You're a native English speaker in Australia. I could almost guarantee if subconsciously Don't try and just prove it wrong. >> Okay. Too late. Just speak normally and get your mouth moving. >> Okay. Peel lip. I can't do it now. >> Normally. Peel. Peel. Peel. Peel. Peel. Peel. Peel. Peel. Stop. Where's your tongue? It's behind the teeth. Lip. Lip. Lip. Lip. Lip. Lip. Where's your tongue? It's out inside the teeth. >> Lipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipip lipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipipip li li lipip lip lip Oh, okay. So, okay, I get what you're saying. So, the sides of the tongue stick out um just beyond the edges of the the teeth. >> But listen to the Spanish L. This is these are one of the things that I'll always try and pick up on in whatever language I'm learning is where are the L's and the Rs coming from ill. >> And I can hear it is not the same as my pill L pill. You can hear his >> So he's saying he he can hear that there's a difference. I literally can't hear that there's a difference. This is fascinating. >> Got this lateral tongue and it's it's it's almost flat against his teeth. L L. If you speak Russian, you you know, you've got this like um the the light L. It's closer to that. >> Um but it's not like the L that we have in English, especially in Australia. >> You can see his tongue. >> Okay. I can't pick up the difference between the L. I guess that's something I'm going to have to look into. It's a good baseline, but I'm feeling like he's really overannunciating his Spanish. Now, there's another guy who's a native speaker that they go back and forth. Let's have a listen to him. Have a listen to his Spanish, even if you're not a Spanish speaker. And >> okay, so he's obvious. So, for those who don't know, that's Chma from um uh so he's from mainland Spain. >> And see if you can hear any difference. So he still pronounces his s's and and everything very clearly. >> Okay. Now, did you hear that D there? It was more of this the with a dental t with a voice there. Very soft. And again, the T in amistad is a bit different too because it's this medial T. It's not an initial T which changes in Spanish for for native speakers. >> Could and you could hear the tongue at the end in the D at the and his his tongue came up to this dental D. It wasn't D. It was the >> So it's almost like in a th position almost. Okay. So, he's just repeated it there, but you can hear his accent is is a little more natural rhythms to the first one. I'm sure as the first guy gets into normal speaking, he will become more normal as well. Yeah. >> What he says is funny. Um, but have a listen to this is the first guy again. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But you can hear the teeth. Um, his tongue is starting to move closer to the teeth now. >> Now, let's listen to the second guy. So it seems like the difference is the T in English is like it's just behind the top front teeth, but here the T in the Argentinian Spanish is what? Touching more the teeth. >> Okay, listen to that. This is starting to get very more natural compared to the first sentence, >> especially at the end. Now, I don't know if Evil Deer even knows how to spell that last word and but you can see that that D almost just dropped out. Your tongue makes a reference to it to the teeth and so your tongue's on the on the teeth and by the time it gets to the last D, it's just gone. If he's looking at the spelling and a lot of like English speakers and they'll be pronounced >> Yeah. Uh, so I would be hitting both those D's exactly the same. It would be like Doring this hard D. But you can see that as you get faster and faster, your tongue almost takes off and it's just sort of tickling the mouth but doesn't quite make it there. Um, okay. Now, I'm still hitting that D pretty strong though. And bro, I I can't do this. >> You can you can see that that's lost. Um, if I were learning Spanish and I'd be tuned into that, this is why I'd want to actually read it as well because I'd start to be able to mapping be able to map out if it's an initial, if it's medial, if it's at the end, when are things lost. Um, especially with something like Spanish or Italian, I want to start building up those structures because then that would help me and subconsciously kick in later as I'm speaking. I might know a word, but I know that pattern and so it would already be in my muscles. So, let's jump ahead now. So, we've heard Evil Deer's English. We've heard the >> Okay, here we go. 14 minutes in. We've heard about all the differences with the Spanish sounds around the uh the L, T, and D sounds. Now, we're going to now we're going to finally hear how bad I am. >> Two guys speaking Spanish. Let's listen quickly now to Evil Deer speaking Spanish. >> Shamo. Evil deer. Okay. So, shamo, as soon as you hear that, you know it's Argentinian. Argentinian Spanish, this turns. Some people say eda in some versions of Spanish or is in Argentina uh in Uroay. So, shamo is yamo. I am called inal in Italian. >> Shamo evil deer. >> Now, you can see evil deer. He's got this very English Aussie d. You can Can you >> Okay, so the D is the problem. Let's We've all We've all decided that the D is the problem. Okay, let's do this. >> You hear this tick on it? D. By the way, if a D in say Vietnamese or Chinese or or Thai, D actually came from an N. D. You don't hear that tick, but in Australian English, we'll say D. >> Spanish D is different. The the the It's more like a th in the word the. So, but he says evil deer. Maybe that's because he Yeah, I'm just saying that in English. I'm literally that's just where my word comes from. So it' be like evil the uh evil the uh Is that what we're meant to be doing? So it's like it's a the uh the uh evil the uh evil the >> saying his name in an Aussie accent. >> Yep. >> Mhm. Uh uh again, even his uh if it were me, even all those little subconscious words, I'd be trying to get the sounds of the native speaker. >> Bro, I'm cooked on the Rh. I didn't even get past my name. I'm literally just cooked on the R. Okay. Well, this is Chinese. You'll be like nega >> into it. So when you're when we're coaching like um presentation workshops in say Thai or whatever uh we would call them word whiskers and Thai has their own work or in Chinese or Indonesian in in Australia we have a you know like these kinds of words learn those in your target language and throw them in so they become your filler words. I didn't even think about filler. Like, well, I wasn't actually thinking about learning the language at the time, so that's why I didn't think about it. But, um, it makes sense that Spanish has probably got its own version of filler words, and I've probably heard them countless times. I just never recognized it. >> Uh, sure. Sure. >> Oh, you're not going to tell me what the filler word was? Oh, come on. Okay. >> Sure. Sure. Now, the O isn't fully Aussie, but you can tell that it's it's heavily influenced from uh a from the Aussie O, not uh real real Spanish. Oh, >> okay. Jo, I suspect having just briefly dabbled with espiranto um that the standard non-conjugated s at the end of verbs has jumped in here. Maybe you've heard >> that's what happened. I can tell straight away that is definitely what happened. >> Do you want to go? Um, and then you're adding that on. So, maybe you haven't learned those conjugations yet. >> No, I hadn't at that time. I didn't know what the conjugations were. Obviously, I do know them now. Like, I' I'd know the the first person present tense one and, you know, some past tense ones. And like I can recognize most of the the basic ones right now, but I haven't automated them. But like I Yeah, obviously that's Kod now. I suspect not because you've been doing algae, but that if you had have been doing the structures, you wouldn't have made that mistake. I'm sure I want to uh instead of which I and then it's like syntax error because you want >> uh >> okay. Now notice the H there in it should be hugar the H was an Aussie H and G was pretty much an Aussie G. Um, the G in Spanish is a lot. >> So, I got the whole word wrong. Basically, >> softer hug. And there. Now, again, I'm not a native Spanish speaker. Um, I've lived with Spanish around me for years. Um, but I'm not a native Spanish speaker, but you know, the sounds are in me and they're in a fairly early ageish in my teens. Um, so you get to feel them. But the this hug hug um it's softer hard. >> Okay. >> Um it's not an H like we have as >> sh. Okay. So that's again but I think that's coming from Espiranto. >> Uh hugard. Can you see that? G. It's really It's a really hard G. >> Okay. Again, I heard the in there. That was awesome. >> Um, not but again, kudos to Iodia because he's just been doing this from absorbing the language and hasn't gone through any of these charts. So, you know, he's pulling out the words that he knows and this is a,000 hours actually starting to speak for the first time. It's almost like hatching out of the egg. Um, so >> there you go. >> Okay. He said contiggo. Listen to the difference between the T and the G from the native speaker and the T and the G in um from Evil Deer. >> Contigo. Contigo. >> Contigo. >> Okay. Actually, what I'm going to do is really blow that up. Um, let's have a look. Let him contigo. Yeah, he's not really hitting, is it? He's like, even I'm still hitting hard. And you can see it's actually almost it's an unaspirated. Okay, your tongue's at the back is kind of making it to the G, but not quite. Now listen to evil the airle. You can hear a really hard G there. So I'm sure you might have seen this word spelt knows it's a G, but it's actually that it's soft. >> Yeah, you see that word written all the time. >> Just with a few sounds, a few sentences, you see how long this can take. But just with a few little tweaks, you can have a night and day change to the way that you speak the language. It's it's muscle training. Maybe we'll do just one more. >> Muchos gracias. Okay, that's interesting. Muchos. I think at that time I had like obviously I'd been primarily focused on Argentinian Spanish but then as of recently in regards to when this video was made I started doing a lot of stuff with chem here and the way that word is pronounced between Argentinia Argentina argent Argentine argent whatever okay and Spain is different so it was like it was kind of like this weird merger between the two. Okay. I suspect maybe he's heard Italian before. Graatier cuz I don't think that in in um Espiranto. I think the word for thank you is more from a Germanic root. >> It is. It's dangon. >> Something like danko or something. >> Yep, he got it. >> Um but gracias, which is gracias. Gracias. >> I'm pretty sure it was just me merging two different accents and then probably just screwing it a halfway through. That's pretty much it. Also, so C in Espiranto is a TS sound. It's like a it's like Chinese C. Okay. And it's possible that I'd seen this word written before and my brain automatically assumed it was something similar to Espano, like the pronunciation of the C. I don't know. >> But you can hear the hard G again. >> And not only can you hear the hard G, have a look at that voice. Uh, gratz gratz grats. Can you see this portion here? His voice fully fully just stops. He's got a glottle stop there. So, graatia almost like the in in Italian, but it's not that in Spanish. Gracias. Okay. Gracias. Gracias. But you will see you won't see this big gap in a native speaker saying thank you in Spanish. Um, >> I think that that kind of gap happened because when I was saying the word, I might have actually stopped myself and like kind of just mentally tried to redo the like you know how when you say a word and it comes out you're not too sure you stop for like a millionth of a second but you just keep going anyway. It's like your brain's like wait oh whatever that was probably what happened there. So, having to wrap this up because it's gone on for a long time now. There is value to having this um auditory intelligence, understanding how sounds work, how the muscles in your mouth work, being able to hear sounds outside of the baseline of your mother tongue and then reproduce it. Tools like this, this is Adobe Audition. What I actually find most interesting about this analysis right now is the fact that as of recently I've been doing more and more Spanish on my channel and people have commented about my vowels like the I vow and I think the like a lot of people were about the I vow. They'll be like, "Oh, your I doesn't sound quite right. You need to work on that one." And then to a lesser degree the O and the U. Okay, that that's what pretty much everyone is focused on. He has completely ignored the vowels and gone straight after like the T, the D's, and the G's. Sounds that I never even imagined that I was getting wrong. So, it sounds like if I get a couple of those vowels and just slightly change them, get them cleaned up, and then focus in on this, that might actually bring me more closer. But the problem is, even though he's explained it, I still don't know what the differences are. So, I'm literally going to have to go like watch a ton of videos on just these like specific sounds. Um there's prat um uh it's a Dutch word but linguist use it. It's a free version and I think there are other tools out there that you can use that are open source um for doing these spectral prints. But once you start to understand it, it's really really good. You can train your muscles. It's like having a mirror there. And then once you do it, you get a real native speaker then to use their ears as the mirror again. And as you go back and forth and they'll suggest something, maybe they don't know how to actually coach you. They just think you sound like a foreign, you sound like a ringo, if it's Spanish or >> I might have to actually put my production practice for Spanish temporarily on hold and really just focus in on cleaning these things up now before it gets too far down the road because it sounds like I've got a lot of sounds that are really far off. And I thought it was just some vows that needed cleaning up. I didn't realize it was like this bad. if you're in Chinese. Um, but you just do it until you stop getting those la or gringo kind of looks and people just speak to you normally. I think you probably get less of those looks in western languages because you get people from all over speaking them, but especially in Asian languages. If you're just a little bit off, they'll let you know once you beyond that. >> That That's true. You will know pretty quickly. They'll point it out >> beginner stage. So anyway, I hope this has been interesting. I hope you don't mind. Evil, I just hit you up on Discord just to check if this was okay. But it'd be really cool to do something together where we sort of sit and go back and forth there. Maybe I can get you pronouncing some stuff in. >> Okay. Oh, what was that? >> In other languages as well, not just Chinese. Um, but getting that full command of your mouth and but even more importantly, hearing where your baseline is and what those things are in your mother tongue. Okay, I'm going to have to organize some type of um video with you, Stuart, where for one, you help me with the Spanish. We get the Spanish sorted and then maybe we could talk about the tie, you know, like I'm not I'm not against it. Do I really want to be learning another insanely difficult language? But, you know, it's a possibility. It is a possibility. Anyway, if you guys have enjoyed this video, let me know down in the comment section. I'll see you all next video. Make sure you sub. If you're not there, I will find you and I will analyze every little tongue movement you make by holding your mouth wide