Video summary
In this episode of his journey along the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route, the narrator travels from Oando to the renowned Llama Ranch, a beloved destination known for its trail magic and community spirit. Upon arriving in Oando, he enjoys a hearty breakfast featuring hash browns and pancakes, noting how hunger amplifies the taste of even simple food. Before departing, he shares a warm moment with a local dog that visits daily for bacon and exchanges friendly goodbyes with the town's residents, expressing deep gratitude for their efforts to keep the small community welcoming and safe. The ride continues through Montana's vast landscapes, where the narrator reflects on the region's expansive skies and the pure, crisp mountain air, contrasting it with the toxic smoke from wildfires in his home state of Colorado.
The journey takes him up Huckleberry Pass and Stumple Pass, offering a stark contrast between the physical challenges of the route and the emotional weight of recent news. He recounts hearing about Alyssa Secretto, a Tour Divide racer who was hit by a car near the Mexican border, using her story to emphasize the fragility of life and the importance of staying vigilant on shared roads. Despite the difficult terrain and loose rocks on the passes, the narrator feels stronger than in previous years because he is riding at his own pace rather than race conditions. This shift in mindset allows him to fully appreciate the beauty of the surroundings, from blooming flowers to puffy clouds, turning a potentially grueling climb into a moment of peace and reflection.
Upon reaching the Llama Ranch, now officially registered as the Alpaca Farm Guest Ranch, he is greeted by hosts John and Barbara, who have dedicated their summers to supporting weary travelers with free food, showers, and cozy accommodations. The narrator shares stories of how the ranch has grown since 2020, welcoming nearly a thousand visitors last year, and discusses the philosophy of "paying it forward," where guests are encouraged to spread kindness after receiving help. He highlights powerful examples of this ethos in action, such as a New Zealander who returned home inspired to give an employee a second chance, illustrating how small acts of generosity can ripple out to change lives globally.
The conversation deepens when the narrator speaks with a fellow traveler, a trans man who shares his experiences navigating a world where legislation and social attitudes have become increasingly hostile. He explains that while daily life presents unique challenges, including fear in certain towns, he chooses to ride with joy and love as a form of resistance. His presence at the ranch serves as a testament to the power of visibility and community, showing that even in difficult times, people can come together to support one another. The episode concludes with the narrator expressing profound gratitude for meeting such incredible individuals who embody kindness, reinforcing his belief in humanity's capacity for good despite the "great divide" that often separates us.
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Hello and welcome to episode 3 of my
adventure on the Great Divide mountain
bike route. [music] So far, everything
has gone smoothly and I've made enough
noise to avoid any grizzly bear
encounters. Happy Thursday, grizzly
bears. In this episode, I make my way
from Oando to the Llama Ranch, one of my
favorite places on the entire route.
You'll see why when I get there.
I got to say this is the most
comfortable sheep wagon I've ever slept
in. Looks [music] like a beautiful day.
Let's go check out the world.
Oh, what a fun place to wake up. And I
think I'm the only person up right now
in Oando. The metropolis of Oando. Stray
Bullet here opens up in about 45 minutes
and I will be [music] the first
customer.
Hash browns, pancakes, sunny side up.
Woo! [cheering]
First things first, [music] lots of
this. Oh yeah. You know, when I do these
bike rides,
I get hungry because I'm burning so many
calories every day. And then my engine
is going and then every single meal is
like the best meal I've ever had. And
that even goes for like crappy energy
bars. They all taste amazing when you're
hungry. Look at that. Look at that. Oh
dear. Oh, can I fit it all in my mouth?
M.
And the sun is shining.
It's going to be a great day. Oh, look
at this cute town dog. Just walked up to
the door. He wants some eggs and bacon,
too. Hey, buddy. Hey.
>> He wants bacon.
>> He wants bacon. That's so cute. Does he
come by every morning?
>> Yeah.
>> Get your bacon
every morning, huh?
>> Uh, sometimes in the afternoon, but
[laughter]
>> you're so cute, buddy. You're so cool.
Yeah.
Okay, thank you. Super cozy sheep wagon.
I'm on my way. Kathy, thank you so much
for everything. You are amazing. Oando
is one of my favorite little towns in
the whole world.
>> Oh, thank you so much. That pleases me
to know. And we've worked really hard to
keep this a little cute town. And
hopefully we're succeeding.
>> Yeah. And seriously, I wish you could
stay over for the 4th of July cuz I
think you'd find that we'd even decorate
your bicycle and put you in the in the
parade.
>> Someday I'll come back. I promise.
>> Okay. You're the best. Oh, Sarah, thank
you.
>> Always good to see you.
>> Thanks for what you do for everybody,
you know. I know you you're so kind to
me, but you're you're just as kind to
everybody that comes through here.
>> Thank you. Be careful out there.
>> I will be. And I'll remember you all the
way down to Analopee Wells and beyond.
I'll remember you longer than that.
>> Okay, bye.
Oh man, I am leaving with a full belly
and a full heart.
What a spot. So glad that I finally got
to spend the night here. Looks like we
have a beautiful morning today. Sun is
in the sky. I'm going to head to the
Llama Ranch. Another one of my favorite
spots here in Montana. Just about 60 mi.
So, a little less mileage today than the
past 2 days, which is nice. So, let's go
have a good one. No crashies, no
flatties, no whammies.
It's been raining a lot in this area
lately and I can smell the sage in the
air as I ride through.
It smells so good. I love sage. It also
has nostalgic value. When I was 16, I
did an outwardbound
23-day
adventure and that was like my first
taste of the great outdoors and I
learned a lot of the leave no trace
skills that I still use today.
And I remember for the first time
smelling desert sage
on that adventure. It's one of my
favorite smells in the world. And
whenever I can, I like to pick sage and
take it with me. It's always been for me
just a bit of a good luck charm.
And it smells so good.
This is coming with me all the way. And
this morning I learned some pretty
tragic news. There was a Tour Divide
racer who was hit by a car 60 miles from
the Mexican border. She was almost done.
Alyssa Secretto. I [snorts] actually
rode with her when I did the race in
2024. Look who we found. It's Alyssa.
How you doing, girl?
>> I'm cold and I'm angry. [laughter]
>> How are you?
>> I would say I'm pretty cold and angry,
too. Yeah. This is we I've had enough of
this.
>> We've been in the freezing rain for I
don't know like six hours today maybe.
>> And she's in pretty rough condition. She
was airlifted to El Paso. She's going to
survive from what I can tell so far. But
man,
it just goes to show that everything can
change in an instant
and I really need to be on guard. Make
sure my lights are on when I'm on roads
sharing with cars.
And I know the no whammies chant is
silly, but it's my way of just warding
off any type of bad luck. And now that I
have some sage, I feel a little bit
better. Um, but yeah, everything
life is fragile. Life is really fragile
and being out here is a gift and being
healthy and strong and having the
privilege of doing this is an absolute
gift because it can all be taken away in
an instant. So, I'm thinking of you
today, Alyssa.
Sending you all my love. Sending you
my good sage luck.
[music]
Montana is called big sky country. And
when I first heard that, I didn't quite
get it cuz I'm like, doesn't every place
have the same amount of sky?
But no, Montana definitely has more sky.
It just seems so wide open and vast and
it really feels like, you know, when
you're watching a widescreen TV. That's
how it feels with my eyeballs right now.
I feel like I'm seeing more. And I can
see why people love Montana.
It just invokes that spirit of the
American West of freedom.
Good morning. You look nice in the
morning light here, ladies.
Yeah.
Okay, enough of the flat riding. Now I'm
going to head up Huckleberry Pass.
There it is.
[music]
Hey, there he is. My shadow. How you
doing, bud?
Let's keep on going up this thing. No
big deal.
[music]
I have really good memories of riding up
this with John and Meera in 2020. mirror
jumping in and out of the basket and
running alongside us and just being a
fun dog. You know, at least for me, I'm
always in a good mood when I'm around a
dog. Dogs are so fun and playful, and I
feed off their energy, and mirror has
some of the best energy. Oh, I love my
mirror hugs on the middle of a big steep
hill. Good to see you, B. You're doing
great. Yeah. Are we almost there? I also
remember a bunch of 4x4s
whipping by, kicking up dust. Haven't
experienced that yet, so that's good.
Although, it is Friday the 3rd, the day
before the 4th of July, so I imagine
there's going to be a lot of people out
recreating today.
Okay, we're gaining some altitude. You
can see way down there. Gosh, that's
beautiful.
[music]
Getting higher.
You know what I'm really enjoying right
now is the crisp, cool mountain air.
It just
it tastes clean, if that makes sense.
It's just so pure. I'm really enjoying
it. And I'm guessing because this area
got so much rain lately that uh the
forest is happy, the flowers are
blooming,
and early summer is in full effect. And
it's not too hot. Not hot at all right
now in the shade especially. It just
feels really nice.
And I also read this morning that
there's some major fires in Colorado, my
home state. major.
So, the air there is definitely not good
and I hope that those fires get
extinguished for for multiple reasons
obviously
um but also for me so I can go through
Colorado safely cuz I don't want to be
biking through toxic smoky air.
Thank you
my first 4x4s, but they were very polite
and went slow so they didn't kick up
dirt. Thank you. [snorts]
Montana people are cool. You know,
now for everybody's favorite downhill.
Woo!
Yeah, baby.
WHAT'S UP, BROTHER?
>> OH, so good to see you. I was hoping I'd
run into you.
>> Oh, man. I was just riding down this
this road just in my own zone and saw a
tour divider. How you doing? What's your
name?
>> My name's Scott.
>> Right on, brother.
>> You are the reason I'm doing this crazy
long ride.
>> Well, are you are you happy with it?
>> I'm super happy with it.
>> What have you loved most?
>> People, scenery, sleeping in a tent for
a month and a half.
>> So, you started at the beginning. I
started Analopee Wells.
>> Congrats, brother. [laughter]
>> Thank you very much.
>> You're getting there.
>> I'm I can smell it.
>> Oh, that's so [laughter] cool. And I've
been asking everybody this question. How
do you get through hard times? And it
doesn't have to be specifically this
route, but in life, like, how do you get
over tough times?
>> God helps a lot. I talk to God a lot. He
helps me out.
>> Right on. Have you had any tough moments
on this trip?
>> Yeah, of course.
Of course. I rode through Colorado where
you're from.
>> Right on.
>> Nothing flat there.
>> Yeah, that's right. That's right, man.
So, you're going to finish up in B. Go
all the way.
>> I'm going to B. That's the goal.
>> You're amazing, man. You're amazing.
>> You're amazing. [clears throat] You got
me here, man. I had never done bike
packing till a year ago.
>> Really?
>> I did a ride across Arizona in 12 days
and loved it. So, now I'm doing this.
>> And now you're hooked.
>> I'm hooked.
>> Right on.
>> Everybody's waiting for you at the llama
ranch. [laughter]
They all know you're coming.
>> All right. So, we're going to make a
video for his mother, Pam, cuz I guess
she likes my videos as well.
>> Mom, somebody's got to say hi to you.
>> Pam, this is Ryan Van Dooer. I just
wanted to say hi and thank you so much
for watching my videos. I'm sending you
a big hug. Your son is amazing. And
maybe someday I'll meet you in real
life. Ole. O
>> o.
Have a great day. Happy 4th of July.
>> Happy 4th early.
>> Cheers, man.
>> Okay, time for some pavement. I'm
heading into Lincoln and then I will
continue on to the Llama Ranch. Okay,
I've mentioned the Llama Ranch a few
times now, so maybe it's time to tell
you why I'm so excited to get there.
First of all, it's trail magic heaven.
John and Barbara dedicate their summers
to serving the needs of hungry and tired
[music] bikers and hikers. They offer a
place to shower, cozy cabins stocked
with treats. [music] There's cute
animals, and the fridge on their front
porch is always loaded with homemade
sandwiches [music] and drinks. Also,
everything is free. They simply ask for
guests to pay the kindness and
generosity forward. I first stumbled
upon this oasis with John and Meera in
2020, and have stayed in touch with them
ever since.
Okay, now it's time to go up Stumple
Pass. I turned off that road. Hopefully
most of the 4x4s
will stick to the main road and I'll
have this to myself. Either way, I'm
happy to be here. It's a beautiful day.
My legs are strong and we're going to go
up a mountain.
This temple pass I forgot gets steep
real quick. Lots of loose rocks.
Smells like Christmas trees in here. And
you know, it's July 3rd, which means
we're closer to Christmas than we are
further from it. And I love Christmas,
man. It is beautiful.
>> [music]
>> I had to get off my bike just to
experience it a little quieter. The bike
makes some noise, you know, and now I
can hear the river
and that's about it. I can see the puffy
clouds floating by. I can hear the buzz
of the flies every now and then.
I'm really, really enjoying this. And
these flowers are my absolute favorites.
I've been seeing these quite a bit for
the past day and a half and I love them.
Little cotton balls, snow cones. This
here is a good spot to sit and eat some
of my favorite snack, dried mangoes.
Brought these from home. I don't know if
I'll be able to find a whole lot of
dried mangoes along the way, so I got to
enjoy the last of these.
The last time I did this pass in 2024,
I was at the end of a 130 mile day after
five 100 mile days. Hadn't slept the
night before cuz my air mattress popped.
And when I got here, my legs were
screaming at me. I was in so much pain
and I was just so dejected.
It was rough. So, I might be having my
lowest low of the trip so far. This is
unbelievably
difficult for me right now. But today is
a different story. I feel much better. I
feel stronger. That's what happens when
you don't go at race pace and you just
take your time. And that really is the
reason why I wanted to do this route
again on my own terms,
you know, so I could enjoy it more.
Yes.
Woohoo.
Stumple path.
Ah, feels good.
Woo! It is so beautiful.
Hey, [screaming]
what's up, Randy? It's my favorite
people. Oh, wow. Good to see you,
Barbara. Good to see you.
>> Made it. Great to see you, man.
>> Oh, we're reunited once again. I love
this. And Rodney, how you doing, buddy?
Good to see you, man. Good see.
>> How's life, everybody? She's got the
pink shirt on.
>> I know. Oh, that's Look at that. You got
the team doozer ragbr shirt on.
>> And your socks.
>> Oh, and the socks. Let's see. Oh, yeah.
Well, I'm wearing the socks, too. Check
that out.
>> Feels good. I feel like I'm home,
Barbara.
>> A, you're so sweet.
>> It really does.
>> Well,
>> this is exciting.
>> And we even made you vegetarian
sandwiches.
>> Ooh, thank you. Barbara is so kind. Look
in the fridge
>> for Ryan Van Doozer. That's me. You made
these with love, didn't you?
>> Yes, I did. Thank you so much.
>> So, you two are some of my favorite
people. I've been coming here since
2020. Now, Barbara is nervous. I can
tell. Look at her. Look at her hands.
She is so generous, but she doesn't love
cameras. We're going to make this as
easy as possible.
>> What was marginally interesting about
that was you came during the co year.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and so we didn't have that
many people and uh John had come over
the border somehow, right, Freeman? And
uh and I remember you saying something
about, you know, we don't get very many
uh
>> foreigners or whatever. And you pointed
to Ryan John goes, "Oh, I'm the
Canadian."
>> That's right.
>> And now you get a lot of foreigners. How
have things changed since 2020?
>> We have a bath house. [laughter]
>> We have a lot more hikers.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh a lot more foreigners. Yeah, for
sure. Yeah, we have a bath house and no
tepee anymore. The teepee's gone.
Well, and then uh I think that year we
might have had like 225 people. Uh and
the last year we had 916 people, right?
So that's a big difference from 2020.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I think it was all because of
the filming that you did and put us on
the map. So thank you for that.
>> Yeah. Well, what you're doing is just so
generous. I think it inspires people,
you know. I think what you do we all
wish we had a little more of. you have
this tell us about your philosophy of
paying it forward
>> because we do want to inspire people. It
is a good thing to host cyclists and let
them into your your world, your yard,
your whatever and and uh you know give
them
>> sandwiches or something to drink. And
>> I think over the years we we've sort of
formulated this mission of paying it
forward, right? Mhm.
>> And so the thing that's kind of neat
about that is I like to think that, you
know, and we talked about it last time,
this love and kindness that we have here
spreading out in the world, you know,
through the cyclists as as our
ambassadors. So we had 916 people if
they embrace that philosophy. There's
916 good things happening out into the
world. You know,
>> we hope so.
>> We hope so. Yeah.
>> Oh, I I met a woman today who said that.
She said she stayed here last night and
the first thing she said to me is, you
know, I'm excited to go home and pay it
forward.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We hope it we hope it has
sustaining value. You know, that they do
actually remember that that was our
message and that was our reason for
doing this.
>> And I think humanity as a whole needs
like a hopeful story like this to know
that there's people out here that are
helping
>> for no other reason than just to be
kind, right? Kindness is a good thing.
>> Yeah. But but I I wonder, you know, how
many stories there are out into the
world, right? Because it isn't something
that's published every everywhere. You
know, we may have millions and billions
of people that are just as kind and just
as friendly, you know. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I believe that there are Yeah.
But you just happen to be on the Great
Divide mountain bike route and,
[laughter]
you know, serving to cyclists.
>> So, how did this all how did this idea
come about?
>> Hosting.
>> Hosting. Yeah. We are lucky enough to
live in this gorgeous place where right
on the route. It's right there, right
off our driveway. And so, uh, people
just go by all the time and stop in and
>> with their bikes and need a place or
need something. Sometimes they just need
a band-aid, you know.
>> Yeah. But if you go far enough back, it
was your generosity ultimately that you
purchased the cabin and had it brought
down and started that whole thing. And
if it weren't for that cabin, I wouldn't
be sitting next to you probably.
>> True.
>> Oh, let's hear this story.
>> [laughter]
>> He did the great div by mountain bike
route and came by and stopped uh here
and said he wanted to uh not be that guy
that says I'm going to help out here and
then not help out. So he wanted to do
something and I was chinking the cabin.
So he said, "Well, I'll come back and
help you the cabin." So he came
back and helped and then um we just
corresponded for like 6 months or a year
and then he came back again and kind of
stayed after that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. In the original video, I I
will repeat what I said. I'm the cyclist
who has stayed here the longest,
[laughter]
10 years now at this point. Yeah.
>> And so when we talk about setting a
record for staying here, I always tell
people that second place is seven
nights, right? If you want first place,
you got to do you got to get rid of me
and then stay for 10 10 years.
>> Right.
>> How many places do you have for people
to stay? What are all the different
accommodations? Well, we have a total of
15 beds and we have six uh
accommodations.
>> We've got a sheep herders wagon. We've
got a number of cabins and then the the
first um log cabin.
>> And you make sandwiches every single
day. Is that true?
>> I mean, the season might slow down later
in the summer and more to a trickle, but
yeah, I still make sandwiches every day.
>> We had 916 people last year and I think
Barbara made 45,528
sandwiches.
Your message is kindness and I'm sure
you've stayed in touch with a lot of
people that have been through here. I'm
one of them. You know, I came through
just like any regular rider and we've
stayed in touch and we email and we you
you call me on my birthday sometimes.
>> I think I sent you some birthday cards.
>> Yeah, you did. Birthday cards.
>> Yeah. With money just like Just like my
uncle.
>> Yeah. Um or do you Does this happen with
other people? I'm guessing
>> Oh, it sure does. Yeah, it's very it it
enriches our lives to no end. It's just
wonderful. People are generous. They do
get home.
>> I think that's what endears me. It just
they get all the way home to wherever,
you know, some other country and they
remember us and they send us a Christmas
card or a small gift or here comes a
cyclist right now.
>> Um yeah, it's just wonderful to do.
Well, one our one of our frequently
asked questions is do people get back
with us and talk about their pay it
forward and and my favorite story is we
had a guy from New Zealand who stayed
with us and uh he was intent on going
back to New Zealand and firing one of
his employees. Okay. So the next year he
came back and stopped and told us what
happened. He went back there inspired by
what we do here and decided to give his
employee another chance and that
employee thrived. And it's very cool to
think that there's somebody in New
Zealand whose life has changed, you
know, because of, you know, his boss
staying here. I mean, that's a
significant, you know, change, you know.
>> Yeah. And we know they're not all that
significant, but but it's nice to know
that happens. It can happen.
>> There's some good that can happen. Pay
it forward even around the world.
>> And are there llamas at this ranch?
>> No, there are no more llamas. We have
alpacas. It's the alpaca farm, not the
llama ranch. [laughter] Yeah, we're
registered as the Alpaca Farm Guest
Ranch now with with Montana.
>> Yes, we are.
>> But uh you're people who are familiar
with trail names is you're given a trail
name. So we were our trail name was the
Llama Ranch. You can never get rid of
your trail trail name. So
>> and we're on maps as the llama.
>> The llama ranch. It's just funny. But
yeah, it stuck and we can't get rid of
it.
>> Well, you two are so amazing. I am lucky
that I met you six years ago. I made it
a point to come here again on this trip
>> and I just I'm so excited just to you
know be your friend and and you know
>> stay in touch and send birthday cards to
each other. [laughter]
>> My pleasure.
>> So thank you for everything you do not
just from me but from everybody.
>> It's our great pleasure.
>> So this is my room. I get a bunk bed.
I'm going to sleep on the top bunk. And
check it out. They have Polaroid camera
so you can take photos of yourself and
leave them here which is such a cool
touch. I love that. And look at this.
They even have a jar full of candy
goodies. And for the alcohol drinkers,
there's a bottle of white and red wine,
a full kitchen
with the butane
stove, and a sink
and fresh water.
And that is the truth. So, this is my
new friend, Reed. We met last night in
Noando when you rolled in at 9:30 p.m.
[laughter]
You're a late riser, huh? Yes, I I hate
the mornings so much. Uh much despite my
uh like travel partner who loves
mornings and so he's been very kind
about letting us sleep in every day.
[laughter] So,
>> what inspired you to do this grand
adventure?
>> Yeah, I mean I just I love the outdoors.
I love biking. I love the wilderness. Um
and I love pushing myself to the limits
um of what's possible. And so I think
that this is everything in one.
>> Yeah. How's it been so far?
>> It's been awesome. It's been really
hard. A few days, a few tears, you know,
lots of rain, lots of sunshine though,
lots of fun meeting people, and yeah,
overall it's been fantastic. So,
>> you mentioned hard, and one of the
questions I've been asking everybody on
this trip is how do you get through hard
moments in life? Doesn't have to be
specific to this trail, but what gets
you through those moments where you're
like, I don't know if I can do this.
>> Feel like life's been really hard
lately, um, you know, the last couple
years. So, uh, we talked about this
before. uh before like got on camera,
but as a trans guy in America right now,
um life is just hard. Like every little
thing is hard. Like I'm actually it's a
lot of places I visit, it's illegal to
use the bathroom. Um so if you think
about every time I take my shirt off,
I'm worried about someone finding out or
someone
um yeah, like just deciding that I've
tricked them by as and then they decide
to cause physical harm, you know, it's
just it's like it's compounding. So, I'd
say that everyday life is kind of hard
in a way and uh you get through it by
just finding joy like you in every
little moment that you possibly can. Um
>> and especially the small things and so
I'd say that that's kind of
>> part of my whole journey with this is
finding joy and being joyful because joy
is resistance and so to say Yeah. to
just keep being happy and joyful.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
>> And as a trans man,
>> Yeah.
>> What's it I mean, all the legislation
that's going on, all this it's it's just
evil. It's mean.
>> Yes, it is.
>> You know, it's close-minded and it's
fear.
>> Yeah. Absolutely.
>> But you're riding with joy and you're
riding with love and you're meeting
people face to face here on the ground.
Like, what does that what does that mean
to you?
>> Yeah. It's like it's both a mix of like
I want to show up for my community as
like a as an outspoken person, which is
why I got into TikTok and spreading
trans joy.
>> Um it's like I want to be visible
because I think that the more people
that know a trans person, the less
scared they become.
>> Um but then I also like this trip has
been interesting with the small towns
that we've been going through. It's like
how how openly do I let myself be that
way? It's nerve-wracking. Like I think
uh you know I've talked to my buddy Ed
who's with me a lot about it. It's you
know my anxiety in every town that we go
through is so high. Um and it's just
wild how we start to leave town and it
just kind of calms down
>> and it's like I'm trying to find that
right balance of being outspoken and
like visible but safe. And so like when
we have people asking for you know my
Instagram handles and things like that
and Strava to follow it's you know I
have to like be kind of judge like think
about it cautiously and it's and I'm
ultimately though then I'm judging the
person based on their appearances. They
may be super supportive but it's just
hard. It's just and with the way the
legislation is, it's people are so much
more quick to react um negatively or
aggressively um um around particularly
trans people because they're just afraid
of us and they
>> um yeah, and it's a bummer.
>> The hatred that's been become inflamed
is just um
>> it's it's like next level. I I can
genuinely say I used to travel without
fear. Um, and since Trump became
president, it's just the the fear has
just
>> exponentially um, [snorts]
>> uh, yeah, it's just exponentially worse.
Um, and then I think of and then I here
I am a white guy and I I just think of
all the trans women in the world that
maybe don't quote unquote pass and I
just want to be out for them and like a
voice for them because at the end of the
day, they have it even harder. And then
the trans kids in this world that are
just being villainized for just trying
to live. Like I have this little buddy
that I I have a couple kids that I
mentor and that just mean the world to
me and if someone just gave them like
five minutes
>> um their lives would be changed. So
>> Oh, can I give you a hug? [laughter]
>> Oh, I'm so glad I met you. So glad I met
you.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, and I'm Yeah.
>> So kind of out here doing it for
everyone. [laughter] Yeah, absolutely.
>> Myself included. I mean, it's it's a fun
trip. It's hard. It's fun, but just
being out here and
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> it is 10 p.m. past my bedtime, but when
you have all these cool people to talk
to, it's hard to go to bed. You want to
take advantage of these moments when
you're around so many other riders and
amazing people and everybody has a
story. I'm so glad to be here at the
Llama Ranch with Barbara and John. They
are just incredible people in every way
and they inspire me and I hope they
inspire everybody else with their
philosophy of love and kindness and
paying it forward. You know, let's do
that people. What do you say
no?
>> Very.
>> Oh, don't shoot it at me, buddy.
[laughter]
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