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Tom Bilyeu and his wife Lisa, who sold their last company for a billion dollars before building another multi-million dollar venture with half a billion views, argue that successfully working alongside a romantic partner requires integrating two contradictory modes of being: life partners and business partners. They emphasize that selection is eighty percent of the battle in romance, noting that unless one chooses an amazing person who shares core values like love, commitment to sex, emotional stability, and a growth mindset, the relationship will likely fail under pressure. A crucial component of their success has been maintaining a constant focus on improvement; without both partners possessing a genuine growth mentality, working together becomes impossible because business exposes personal flaws that children alone cannot heal or resolve. To navigate these dual roles effectively, Bilyeu and Lisa define specific responsibilities based on traditional gender lines while acknowledging they are not absolute rules for everyone. Drawing on evolutionary biology, such as the concept of hypergamy where women tend to date up for resources and protection due to biological constraints like childbirth, they suggest that men often naturally gravitate toward vision roles (the rocket) while women excel at execution roles (the fuel). This dynamic mirrors high-profile business partnerships like Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg. However, Bilyeu stresses that neither role is superior; a visionary without an executor fails just as much as an executor without a clear direction. The goal is to create a team where both elements are essential for reaching the stars, avoiding the trap of one partner dominating or feeling subordinate in either emotional or professional contexts. Understanding and respecting fundamental differences in how men and women feel validated is another critical step toward preventing relationship disasters. Bilyeu recounts an incident during an intimate shower where he prioritized finding truth over providing support, which caused his wife significant distress because she needed blind validation rather than reasoned debate at that moment. He explains that while men generally need to feel loved, appreciated, and powerful, women thrive when they feel supported, beautiful, and safe. Misinterpreting these needs creates friction that can destroy both the romantic bond and business collaboration. By updating their mental models to understand what drives each other's behavior, couples can transform potential conflicts into opportunities for growth rather than allowing misunderstandings to escalate into arguments or breakups. Finally, Bilyeu outlines six specific rules of engagement designed to manage the explosive mixture of romance and business without turning it toxic like Mentos dropped in Coke. These rules include defining roles clearly with hyper-specific expectations, respecting the tension between different viewpoints as a source of strength rather than weakness, ensuring partners are emotional equals regardless of who holds the title of boss, acting differently in romantic versus professional settings to separate work stress from home life, leading with love even when making difficult decisions, and over-communicating using shared language and narratives. Bilyeu concludes that while building something meaningful together is more profound than having children for many people today, it requires immense effort and communication; those willing to navigate this minefield can achieve a level of success and joy that neither could attain alone, provided they maintain the dynamic tension between their distinct but complementary strengths.
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I can think of precious few ways to end
a relationship in flaming disaster
faster than trying to work with your
partner.
To work well with your significant
other, you must each play a clearly
defined role. You're going to have to
integrate two entirely contradictory
modes of being. Mode one, being a life
partner. Mode two, being a business
partner. Completely different rules
apply. As one small example, if I walk
by my wife and don't run my hand
lovingly across her bum, she'll actually
comment on her disappointment. If I do
that to a co-worker, I'm getting
arrested. But, what if my co-worker is
my wife? Now what? That's just one funny
example, but it's the very small tip of
a gargantuan iceberg known for sinking
ships that Lisa and I had to learn to
navigate. Here's how we did it. Brief
history. As a couple, so far Lisa and I
have built two incredibly successful
companies. If you've never heard of me
before, I'm Tom Bilyeu and my wife Lisa
and I sold our last company for a
billion dollars and have already built
another multi-million dollar company
since then, which has garnered roughly
half a billion views and is rapidly
growing. Here's the trick to managing
both love and business. Step one, you
must choose well. Selection is 80% of
the battle in romance. If you can't find
someone amazing, masturbate and keep
looking because a bad relationship is
worse than no relationship at all. That
goes for business and love. Unless you
want to split your company up in the
divorce, don't mess up this step. It
will be ruinous. A business will not
bring you together any more than kids
will. It will expose your flaws. Most of
that is going to be intensely personal.
You would probably hate being married to
me, but my wife swears that she loves
it. Now, maybe there's just no
accounting for taste or maybe we
selected well. I'll let you guys be the
judge, but here's the criteria that
we've refined over the years whenever
people ask this question. Right, number
one selection criteria, it's got to be
love. It's a bit like pornography, hard
to describe, but you'll know it when you
see it. Two,
you have to be committed to maintaining
a thriving sex life. Three, you got to
be committed to the relationship as a
whole. Four, you both need a growth
mindset. Five, you have to share most of
your values. You're not going to share
them all, but the vast majority you
should share. Six, on balance, they need
to be your equal. You're going to be
good at different things, but they need
to be your equal. Seven, on balance,
they need to be emotionally stable. We
all fluctuate, but on balance. Eight,
they need to play a different role than
you. Needs to be a complementary role,
but they need to play a different role.
Nine, they need to legitimately want you
to be happy.
10, they need to take full
responsibility for their actions and
their emotional state. All of those are
important, but Lisa and I's secret
weapon is that we both have a growth
mindset. We focus on the relationship
and we are constantly trying to improve.
We've always been receptive to critical
feedback because our goals are clear.
It's incredibly important, and we
understand that to achieve our goals, we
have to constantly be getting better.
Constant, never-ending improvement is
required if you want to make meaningful
progress in your life. Now, if you or
your partner doesn't already have that
mentality, stop the video now and go
address that. You simply will not
succeed working with your spouse if you
don't both have a growth mindset. I'm
telling you right now, you're not good
enough to pull this off yet. Step two,
if you want to work well with your
significant other, you have to clearly
define your roles. This is probably
going to be the most contentious thing
that we talk about, but Lisa and I
realized early on that no relationship
will survive two alphas fighting for
control. This is a team sport. You each
need a clearly defined role, and you
need to play it well. Lisa and I have
found that this tends to break along
traditional gender lines. It doesn't
have to, but I think that there are deep
biological reasons why this plays out in
the averages. I do want to point out one
group of nested ideas that I think helps
explain this phenomenon. Before I do
though, I want to remind everyone that
you should find a dynamic that works for
you. You should play whatever role in
life you want, regardless of your sex.
Don't let anyone put you in a box that
you don't want to be in, but I think
understanding how these play out
typically is really, really useful.
Number one,
we have a big, wrinkly brain. Number
two, females carry a disproportionate
amount of the weight to deliver that
brain. Four, that tendency towards being
super selective leads to something
called hypergamy. All right, let's take
these one at a time. Humans have gotten
to where we are not by being faster,
having sharper teeth, or stronger
muscles. Instead, we've clawed our way
to becoming the most dominant apex
predator the world has ever seen by
creating a gigantic brain full of
wrinkles. The problem is that those big
brains require a big head. A big head
requires a big birth canal. A big birth
canal requires a wide, angled pelvis on
the part of the female. But, that can
only be pushed so far before women can
no longer stand upright and run. So,
evolution has taken us as far as it
could, but then it had to pump the
brakes. For us to achieve our full
potential though, human babies also are
born with soft skulls that require years
and years of parental care to fully
develop. So, we took the physical part
of this on the part of the woman as far
as we could, but then we kept pushing
the envelope by making that little melon
soft so that it could squish a little
bit through the birth canal and then
continue to expand as kids. And this is
why the brain doesn't even stop
developing till you're 25 years old.
That brings us to the second part, which
is that females carry a disproportionate
burden when it comes to ensuring that
our species survives. As such, from an
evolutionary perspective, women became
optimized to carry, birth, and nurture
infants. That's not all. They're amazing
in a gazillion ways, but just as we
think about averages, that part of it is
so critical that it continues to echo in
the way that they are optimized
cognitively, physically, emotionally,
etc. For the child to be raised to
maturity, women a couple of things from
the guy. Number one, genetic material.
Number two, protection from predators
and access to resources that someone who
is pregnant, breastfeeding, or going
through the strenuous exercise of
raising a young child in the wild is
obviously a very complex topic that I'm
simplifying to make it easier to track,
but all of this complexity leads to some
outcomes that are useful to understand.
One of those outcomes is the fourth
thing, and that is something called
hypergamy. Hypergamy is roughly defined
as women, again on average, tending to
date across or up, meaning that women
try to find men they think will give
them the best shot of raising successful
children. This idea is often painted in
a really dark and sinister light, and
you can basically hear wolves howling in
the background when you hear guys talk
about this, and so I want to make sure
that we look at this in a evolutionary
light and see that this is not a bad
thing because women are not doing
anything sinister by leaving some guys
out of the mating pool, which is
unfortunately the result that happens
through being selective. But let me see
if I can say this in a way that really
lands closer to what I think is actually
happening in a modern context. Women are
just trying to find guys that they think
are awesome. Guys that are as smart or
smarter than them, guys that make as
much money or more than they do. Would
any of us do anything differently? We
all want to find somebody that's at
least as cool as we are or even cooler.
And what we think of as awesome, of
course, is going to vary, but you want
somebody that's over or up in the things
that matter to you. Now, it's just that
for evolutionary reasons men and women
consider different things when they
think about going over or up, and men
and women on average tend to define what
is awesome in different ways. Now look,
men and women are way more similar than
they are different, but understanding
the difference becomes incredibly
important if you want to understand how
to work well with your significant
other. But that gets you close enough to
understand what comes next, which is the
part you need to understand if you're
going to be a successful romantic and
business partner. Okay, here it goes.
Women and men tend to have different
strengths and different desires, and
those differences tend to funnel them
into one of two slots that every
business needs. Okay, every business has
these two needs.
Being a male or female tends to siphon
you off into those two. If you've read
the book Rocket Fuel, you'll already
know what I'm talking about. It breaks
down roughly into vision and execution,
the rocket and the fuel. Either element
on its own is absolutely nothing, but
together you can reach the stars. Okay,
that was super cheesy, but it's actually
true. And when working with your
partner, and the reason that all of this
is worth it, is because when it goes
well, that's exactly how it feels. It
feels like, "Whoa, I'm able to do
something I would not be able to do on
my own, and I'm doing it with somebody
that I love. It is an incredible high."
But it's important to realize neither
role is better than the other. Let me
say that again. Neither role is better
than the other. Both are critical, but
you have to understand them and know
which role you fit. What Lisa and I have
found, and this is by no way an actual
study, but what we've seen in other
high-performing couples that work
together is that the guys typically
provide the vision, and women actually
make it happen. It's the classic CEO-COO
relationship. One of the most famous
business relationships in modern memory
is this exact dynamic. You've got Mark
Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg. Mark a
CEO, Sheryl Sandberg the COO. Again,
this doesn't need to break along gender
lines. Do what works for you and what
makes you happy, but the aforementioned
framework will hopefully give you a
place to start as you think about you
and your partner working through this
tricky problem. If you think what I'm
saying is crazy, I'm going to throw out
one stat that may give you pause and
give a little credence to this gender
bifurcation thing. According to a giant
Danish study of 200,000
married couples, men who make less than
their wives are significantly more
likely to use erectile dysfunction
medication than men who out-earn their
wives. I'm not saying that it should be
that way. I'm just saying that it is
that way. Here's my guess as to why.
Women, for the reasons discussed,
date across and up, hypergamy.
Men will do whatever they need to do to
get chosen by a woman. They have to
because every man alive is descended
from a man who figured out a way to
convince a woman to give him a shot. So,
men have literally evolved to be very
good at figuring out how to impress
women and deliver on the demands that
they're making.
Nature has one drive. Let's be real
clear.
That drive is to keep you alive long
enough to get laid and have kids that
have kids. Now, how does nature pull
that off? Pleasure and pain. It makes
pleasurable what keeps you alive and
gets you laid, and it makes painful
anything that moves you away from that.
So, if evolutionarily speaking, women
needed men to be smart enough to lead,
willing to sacrifice themselves to
defend their family, and were able to
make good hunting decisions to secure
food or other resources for the family,
then that's exactly what men will derive
pleasure from doing. Said simply, men
are going to break themselves in half to
lead, sacrifice, and provide, making
them ideal rockets. It's exactly what
you need from somebody who can go out
into the world where there's no one
there to supervise them, to tell them
what to do, to be put in incredibly
dangerous situations, and to be able to
make good decisions to get on the other
side of that and acquire whatever they
need to acquire and bring it back. We
often talk about hunting, but that's one
of many things. Now, women on the other
hand are adept at securing cooperation
and realizing their agenda by
coordinating the actions of a team,
making them the needed fuel to move the
rocket. I cannot stress how important
that ability is in a company. If you
can't do that, you're dead in the water.
You might have somebody who's a
legendary visionary, they're off making
all the right decisions, but if nobody
will follow them, and nobody will do
what they're talking about, they've got
nothing. Let me once again state
emphatically that I'm saying all of this
within the context of how do you work
well with your romantic partners?
Successful companies can be built with
only women or only men. Not every couple
needs to work together, and not every
couple will align with the dynamic that
I detailed here, and that's wonderful.
Do whatever fills your heart, but it is
critically important to understand how
we've ended up with these averages. That
brings us to the next important piece of
working with your significant other,
step three, understand your partner's
needs.
Let me tell you a story from my own
experience working with my spouse.
Hilarious now, but not at all fun in the
moment, but it really did crystallize
something for me that is critical for
anybody that wants to work with their
partner to understand. Let me set the
stage.
We were nude
in the shower together. It was super
intimate, and even after all of these
years, it was still exciting, at least
for me. But, despite the setting,
something contentious managed to come
up. Now, I don't remember exactly what
it was, but I'm sure that my wife does,
but I do remember the exact exchange
that triggered the end of the fun part
of the shower.
Lisa said to me that she didn't feel
supported by me on whatever we were
discussing. In response, I said,
"Ladies, you are absolutely going to
hate this." But I said, and I quote,
"I'm not trying to support you right
now. I'm trying to figure out what's
true." That red line, Lisa, instantly.
She was irate. Not mad, irate. I knew
she was going to hate the statement, but
I honestly didn't fully understand why.
I do now, and having the knowledge
crystallized has really helped. So, let
me really put this succinctly in the
hopes that you'll be able to use it as
well. Men and women, in general, want
their partner to make them feel
fundamentally different things.
Failing to understand that is going to
create a disconnect that creates a
massive amount of friction in your
relationship. A massive amount of
friction. Could be in the romance side,
could be in the business side, could be
both. There, in the shower, as my
excitement turned into painful
frustration, I played a mental game with
myself.
Do this a lot. It's actually really
useful. If my wife were a fictional
character,
what would need to be true about this
character to motivate their behavior?
Behavior that seems super bizarre to me.
The answer in that moment was that one
of her fundamental drivers would have to
be the need for blind support from her
husband. Not reasoned support, blind
support. And as soon as I had that
realization, like a puzzle piece
clicking into place, I updated my mental
model and realized that's exactly what
she needed. Here's why I think that
mental model update was really useful
and how it can stand for what men and
women want their partner to make them
feel. For a woman to thrive in a
relationship, her man needs to make her
feel four things. Loved, supported,
beautiful, and safe. Men need to feel
loved, appreciated, and powerful.
Supported and appreciated are very
different things, and that was the crux
of the problem that we were having in
the shower, and I think sits at the
intersection of why men and women often
collide. Going back to the evolutionary
framing here, if a woman has made
herself vulnerable in order to optimize
for having successful children, she
needs to be able to say what she needs
to be supported in that endeavor and
actually get it. To effectively work
through others, feeling like you're
supported by those around you becomes an
incredibly important marker of safety.
Now, men on the other hand have been
optimized for something completely
different. They've been optimized for
making themselves powerful enough to go
out and slay monsters on your behalf.
Remember, they're just trying to impress
you enough to get a chance at being in
the mating pool. Now, according to
something called the disposable male
hypothesis, evolution has optimized men
to be willing to lay down their lives to
protect and provide for their family and
community. Now, if you misread the
situation, a sexy shower turns into a
not at all sexy argument. And when you
work together, misalignment in one area
becomes destructive in both arenas. And
this is why most people that try to work
with their significant other end in
disaster.
And that brings us to step four of
working well with your significant
other. Create rules of engagement around
how to deal with the collision of two
modes of being, romance and business.
Now, romance and business are not like
oil and water where they don't mix.
They're like Mentos and Coca-Cola where
they mix together explosively. Most
people that try to work together are
going to end up like someone who mixes
Mentos and Coke. It seems fun until [ __ ]
ends up going everywhere. Now, when
you're working with your partner, you
have two social contracts to deal with
instead of just one. Being a good
romantic partner is hard enough. Being a
good business partner is hard enough.
Being a romantic partner that knows how
to seamlessly move back and forth from
business partner to lover is brutally
difficult. It's only possible if you
have rules for doing so. Rule number
one, define your roles clearly. This is
what we've been talking about. What do
you want and expect from each other? Be
hyper specific. Now, this is going to
get really uncomfortable because it's
going to force you to face things like
gender roles, what role you guys play in
the romance and in the business. Let me
give you an example. Here's what I said
to Lisa when we founded Impact Theory.
I'm vision, you're execution. We bring
equal value to the table but in
different ways. If ever we understand
each other but still disagree, we will
go with my decision every single time.
If you agree that that's the right
dynamic, let's go into business
together. If you don't or it feels
uncomfortable in any way, shape or form,
it isn't the life you want to live, fair
enough. Take half of the money that
we've set aside for building a company
and I'll take the other half and we'll
build separate things. I'm completely
fine with that. I want you to be happy
and do your thing. But if we're going to
do it together, that's how it's going to
be.
It was clear to me without language that
explicit, we would end up colliding
constantly.
Rule of engagement number two,
respect the tension between your points
of view. Let me be abundantly clear. My
wife is a wickedly smart, bold,
confident, driven woman. She is never
going to slow down so that I can lead.
But she's also not as good at business
decision-making as I am. Now, was that
just
hypergamy playing out and she went and
found somebody that she was like, "Cool,
you can go do that part and I'm going to
do this part?" I'm sure it was all
subconscious, but nonetheless, that's
where we ended up. And if you think that
I'm saying this out of arrogance or
because she's not here to cry foul, you
can watch the episode that we filmed of
Women of Impact where we discuss this
live on camera together and you can see
exactly how we relate to each other over
this. And the reality is, we're just
being honest about what each of us is
good at and we respect the tension
between our modes of thinking.
Decision-making is only one of the
skills needed. Also, we're all deeply
flawed. You need to hunger for people
that will point out where you've gone
wrong. So, respect the tension. This
even if you're the one that's the final
decision-maker. This is not about
bowling over the other person and
constantly getting them to do what you
say. This is about working with someone
who you consider your equal, who has
different skills than you, who sees
things that you might be blind to.
That's an incredibly important part of
this. This is why, when it works well,
you come together and feel like, "Oh my
god, I have the chills right now." That
I'm building something I could not build
on my own. That is exactly how I feel
working with Lisa. By myself, I would
not be able to do what I'm able to do
with her. And so, both of us, even
though we have these clearly defined
roles, we respect the tension between
us. The whole point between that CEO COO
dynamic is that they see things in a
different way than you. You share
values, you share goals, but you see
things in a different way. And so, by
getting the tension between those two
viewpoints, you're able to find that
path through to actual success. Now,
here's an analogy that Lisa and I use
all the time for this idea. Uh for a
business to work, you need both a kite
and a string to keep the kite in the
air.
It is the dynamic tension between the
two of those things that's going to make
things work. If you just have a kite, it
flies off into nowhere, wherever the
wind takes it, and eventually crashes
into something. And if you just have a
string, it just lays on the ground. But,
when you have the two in dynamic
tension, it stays in the air. So, it's
super important that you don't fall prey
to thinking that one role in the
relationship is better or more important
than the other, which I think is the
root of a lot of tension between men and
women today. Somehow, it's gotten in
culture that guys have the cool role,
and women have the lame role. It's not
that at all. They're both incredibly
important, and I think the only way
forward is for us to find that dynamic
tension. Now,
if you understand that both are equally
important, that brings us to rule number
three.
Partner only with your equal.
Don't look for a subordinate. Don't look
for a boss. You're looking for someone
who sees things slightly differently
than you, but on balance, when all of
your talents and intelligences are all
put together, that you guys are equal.
Now, while you guys are going to be
doing different things, and you're going
to be good at different things, no
matter what your business partnership is
like, no matter if one of you is
literally the boss and the other sees
themselves more as an employee, in your
emotional relationship, you must be
equals. That may be the most important
thing that I've said so far. For love to
last and be joyful, it needs to be the
coming together of two equals. And you
need to make your partner feel that in
their bones. I'll tell you a story on
that. When Lisa and I founded Impact
Theory, a lawyer told us, "Hey, one of
you needs to own 49% of this thing and
the other needs to own 51%. That way,
should you guys ever get into a divorce,
that way it's clear who controls the
business." What I said to them was,
"Nope, make the ultimate divorce
nightmare. I want a 50/50 relationship.
I want Lisa to see on paper that we are
equals, that we bring an equal amount to
this endeavor. Even though we do
different things, ultimately, it's
equal. And that it's up to the two of us
to be able to navigate the emotions and
the business well. On that is rule
number four. You need to act differently
in your romantic partnership than you do
in your business partnership. And that
is so important. I once came home from a
particularly contentious day at work.
Lisa and I had really collided, and I
had to pull the it's my decision card in
front of other people. It was brutal.
And I'm sure that I could have handled
it better, but Lisa handled it like a
pro. And as is typical for us, she got
off work before I did. So, when I came
home, she was already there. I walk in
the door, and I'm expecting a fight, but
she couldn't have been happier to see
me.
And I sheepishly asked, "How was your
day?" And without missing a beat, she
said, "My boss was an [ __ ] but I'm
so excited to see my husband." She threw
her arms around me and gave me a big
hug. And I'm actually stopping myself
from being emotional right now, because
in that moment, I realized that my wife
was a ninja, and that she understood how
to navigate this world incredibly well.
That she understood that there was a
wild difference between being my
business partner and being my wife. Now,
I proceeded to fall all over myself
finding ways to show her
that in the grand summation of our
relationship, despite the fact that I
played that card, so that I knew that we
were equals. And that while I might have
in that moment been the decision-maker
in that dynamic, if I'm honest, I was
the boss, not now at Impact Theory, but
I was at that time. But even if in that
scenario, it's true, I'm not the boss in
our relationship, even if both of us see
me as the leader. An important side note
about leading, true leadership really is
knowing that sometimes you lead and
sometimes you follow. You're never going
to be good at everything. But if you and
your teammates are working together to
elevate each other, odds are you're
going to end up in the right place,
especially if you follow rule number
five, lead with love.
Lead with love.
Fill your heart with love. Want your
partner to win in all aspects of their
life, and help them actually do that.
Life is hard. Love is beautiful. Nurture
your love with everything you've got. It
will get you through the darkest of
times. Success will come and go, but
love done well really can last a
lifetime. And it will certainly fill you
up in ways that nothing else can. Not
all the success in the world, not all
the money in the world. As cheesy as it
might be, love really is the best thing
that life has on offer.
Rule number six, over communicate. You
need to over communicate with your
partner whether or not you work
together. You need a shared language,
which is harder than it sounds. You have
to define terms and all kinds of crazy
stuff. A shared narrative, you need to
know, how do we actually categorize my
contribution, your contribution, how do
we talk about it to each other, to other
people? And a shared vision. What is all
of this building towards? You guys need
to know that. you need to talk about it.
And then ultimately, you need to follow
all of these rules of engagement so that
you can deal with a thousand different
scenarios that are rushing towards you
that, if you're not careful, will turn
you into Mentos and Coke. But if you are
careful, turns you into a rocket well
fueled. One important point about
communication. You guys are going to be
talking endlessly. So, gentlemen, if the
constant navigation of ideas and
emotions isn't your bag, do not go into
the minefield of working with your
significant other. You will hate it. But
if you're willing to do all of that
communication, I've found that other
than having children, which is almost
certainly the pinnacle, there's nothing
more profound than building something
meaningful together with your partner.
Building with Lisa has been the greatest
joy of my life. That's why I think that
as more and more people decide not to
have children, that this topic has
become the number one requested topic
for Lisa and I to cover. Now, I really
hope that hearing about how Lisa and I
have navigated this insanely tricky
terrain is helpful to all of you. I hope
that you guys take this merely as a
starting point and that you find what
works best for you. I hope you
understand the averages, but don't feel
that you need to conform to them. I hope
that you find what works for you and
live a life that you love. If you like
this video, I think you're going to love
this next video that we did about love
and relationships. Make sure you check
it out.